G76 Oilers at Blue Jackets

The Edmonton Oilers are relying heavily on Jeff Petry as the season winds down. How important is Jeff Petry to this team’s future? Is there “enough” on the blue, or will management fool themselves into believing balance and depth exist?

In 2011-12, Jeff Petry leads Oiler defenders in TOI at evens (18:09 per game), is third in SH TOI (2:20 per game) and fifth in PP TOI (1:13 per game). This is sans Tom Gilbert, but any fool can see Dan Petry’s boy is playing a tremendous amount in every game (north of 25 minutes many nights these days).

Petry’s zone start are 3rd toughest on the team (behind Smid and Schultz is also listed, but his stats are mostly Wild numbers), his Qual Comp is second toughest (Smid) and his CR is third best (and in the black) for the season.

Let’s assume the Oilers plan on running Smid-Petry as their top pairing next year. That gives them Nick Schultz and Ryan Whitney as the second pairing, with all of Corey Potter, Andy Sutton, Theo Peckham, Colten Teubert, Alex Plante and Taylor Chorney either signed, rfa, or bubbling under in the AHL.

Then there’s the group that includes Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Jeremie Blain, Brandon Davidson, Martin Gernat and David Musil. I believe the Oilers will be cautious bringing these youngsters along (Kyle Bigos is also in the mix but has another NCAA year of eligibility) and it would make sense to keep them outside the NHL this coming season–save for a cup of Joe for those adjusting quickly.

If we use Petry as the template for all of these kids, then age 22 is a reasonable time for a long term (35 games for Petry) audition in the show. That’s 2.5 seasons into their 3-year entry level deals, and although it seems drastic (and we have to allow for quick learners) the results from Petry have been impressive.

I think the addition over the summer will be Ryan Murray. The Oilers will be in a position to draft him with their lottery pick and his skill set is the best available. Murray isn’t an offensive impact player, and expecting him to be a PP option isn’t reasonable. However, his speed and wide range of skills make him a strong, safe pick for Edmonton. Unless Griffin Reinhart turns another corner during the Oil Kings playoff run, Ryan Murray is the logical pick for the Oilers.

That leaves the Oilers with an NHL depth chart for 2012-13:

  1. Ladislav Smid
  2. Jeff Petry
  3. Ryan Whitney
  4. Nick Schultz
  5. Andy Sutton
  6. Ryan Murray
  7. Corey Potter
  8. Theo Peckham

Ryan Whitney is once again the key. IF he’s healthy and mobile, then the Oilers top 4 should be good enough and Sutton as a depth option is fine. The 6-7-8 options I’ve listed above are the ones that are open and available; Edmonton may not draft Murray and that slot could be occupied by a free agent signing or a trade acquisition. Potter could spend the entire season in the AHL, and the club could trade or walk Peckham.

We’ll know soon enough, but I’m starting to think the Oilers will do less on the blue than fans want them to this summer. They might be set.

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  1. sliderule says:

    I just don’t see the love for Murray.

    He is an older draftee ,in fact he is 12 days from being in the 2011 draft.

    If he had been in that draft would he have been picked in the first round?

    The oil have three defencemen picked last year who are about his age and are tracking as well or better.We also have Marcinin who has had two good Chl seasons.

    If you pick a defencemen in top five he had better be way better than forwards available or you could get a Barker

  2. Ducey says:

    Slider,

    Barker was noted for his excellent positioning in junior. He acknowledged at the time he needed to work on his skating. It never improved.

    Murray is noted to be an excellent skater. If he doesn’t have a 10 cent head he should be fine. He seems like a very safe pick.

    Not all the defense propects the Oilers have will turn out.

    This draft is reminding me of 2007 (where the Oilers got three 1st rounders). There are a few good players that came from the draft but overall was not pretty. Angelo Esposito was supposed to go top 5. He went 20th and is a bust. I worry about Grigorenko doing the same given the issue regarding effort.

    The thing that pains me most from the 2007 draft? The Oilers took Kytnar 2 picks ahead of Jamie Benn in the 5th round.

  3. hunter1909 says:

    sliderule: I just don’t see the love for Murray.
    He is an older draftee ,in fact he is 12 days from being in the 2011 draft.
    If he had been in that draft would he have been picked in the first round?

    Maybe the top Scouting Agencies need to hire you, since you seem to know more than them.

    Murray’s Canadian, a westerner, the top ranked Canadian of 2012, oiler’s need a defenceman of this pedigree if they ever intend to climb the standings. Stick him with the Kid Line next season and watch Murray passing them the puck like Mark Howe. Birthdays don’t mean everything.

    oiler’s will win this game, meanwhile the competition(Habs,NYI’s,Minnesota) all currently looking like serious tank mode is switched on everywhere. But not with oilers, that with the ridiculous AHL lifers-getting-their-pathetic-end of season tryouts. Good snake oil acts like oilers like to always offer hope to their long suffering fans. Not success, just hope.

    Trust these dolts to fuck up a perfectly good tanking season with 2 weeks left in a 4 good weeks, 20 terrible weeks, 2 good weeks at the end only because no one is playing hard against oilers season finalie; once they see oilers in the bottom of the standings, and probably nothing to do with alleged talent, crappy AHLers at all.

  4. Zack says:

    The Silvertips lost again last night (3-1) and Murray scored a goal and was a plus one. So with two games played the Silvertips have be out scored 10-3 and Murray has 2G, 1A and is a +1. His offensive game is underrated in my opinion and his slapshot is pretty impressive. He may be older than a lot of the guys in his draft year but considering the team he plays for I’d say he’s putting up quite a campaign. You can’t deny his high calibre skating and hockey sense and leadership he posses Could argueably be on cue with a lot of the top D-men from last years draft. It’s intangibles like that (hockey sense/vision), no matter how many years you spend in the dub you can’t just “develop”.

    He may not have Larsson’s ceiling, or Dougie Hamilton’s flashy appeal (offensive powerhouse, punishing physical game) but I’d say Ryan Murray is clearly the most well rounded D-man this draft and in terms of ceiling he’s up there with those two (probably not quite as high though but up there). It’d be interesting to see Murray on a team like Niagra or any other offensive power house. I’d call his boxcars very raw and considering how the Silvertips have done this last season he stands out quite a bit.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Two things: if we’re looking at Murray as an offensive option then he’s never going to surpass the others, especially Dumba. No one I know is rating any defender ahead of Murray, and most of that has to do with skills that will work on defense and offense.

    All of the math we own tells us about offense, but there’s not much we can measure defensively. We just know when mistakes are made the puck often ends up in the back of the net.

    I think the Oilers will take Murray and count on a Chris Phillips/Kevin Lowe level defender. If they get lucky and he emerges as an elite level Mark Howe talent, then God loves us!

    But if you’re building this team, the last chance to grab someone who can help PREVENT goals is this summer.

    As luck would have it Murray’s available.

  6. icecastles says:

    hunter1909: Trust these dolts to fuck up a perfectly good tanking season

    A while ago we were reading words to the effect of “trust these dolts to fuck up their rookies by showing them nothing but failure”. Not from you perhaps, but it was a sentiment.

    At some point, you have to give the players you have a reason to be proud and a reason to stick around. Throwing games (let’s not mince words here: what you are suggesting is that they effectively throw games by fielding a lineup that is set to lose) is not the way to build the players you have. The Oilers have two number one draftees and some amazing prospects. I know what you’re saying about the season being lost and the only good thing to come being a high pick, but I just don’t buy that this is the only positive.

    Last season when Vancouver dropped those two end-of-season games to the Oilers, it was clear they could not win the cup. Strategy is hugely important, but people and teams who are truly competitive and really want to win more than anything don’t make decisions like “this game doesn’t count” or “meh, we’ve done good enough, we can ease off the gas for a while”. the Canucks have all the skill in the world, but that lack of killer instinct always seems to get them.

    I want to see Edmonton develop that killer instinct. And that will never, ever come if you let the team start throwing games. Lottery position or not, I’d rather cheer for a team that tries and fails than one that doesn’t even try.

  7. gd says:

    Zack:
    The Silvertips lost again last night (3-1) and Murray scored a goal and was a plus one. So with two games played the Silvertips have be out scored 10-3 and Murray has 2G, 1A and is a +1. His offensive game is underrated in my opinion and his slapshot is pretty impressive. He may be older than a lot of the guys in his draft year but considering the team he plays for I’d say he’s putting up quite a campaign. You can’t deny his high calibre skating and hockey sense and leadership he posses Could argueably be on cue with a lot of the top D-men from last years draft. It’s intangibles like that (hockey sense/vision), no matter how many years you spend in the dub you can’t just “develop”.

    He may not have Larsson’s ceiling, or Dougie Hamilton’s flashy appeal (offensive powerhouse, punishing physical game) but I’d say Ryan Murray is clearly the most well rounded D-man this draft and in terms of ceiling he’s up there with those two (probably not quite as high though but up there). It’d be interesting to see Murray on a team like Niagra or any other offensive power house. I’d call his boxcars very raw and considering how the Silvertips have done this last season he stands out quite a bit.

    I am pretty much sold on Murray being the best option for the Oil. With the assets we have, I think this is the year, where the term “safe pick” is the best pick. Everything I see with RNH is by the time he is 21, with 15 more lbs., he will be a 20 min a gm, top 5 in the league centre and with his hockey sense, our best defensive forward, so Centre will be a strong position for the Oil for the next 10 years. The Oilers should have a top 5 PP for as long as RNH is here, no matter who is on the point. So a great skating, smart,solid puck moving Dman seems to fit perfectly with their future.

    I trust they are doing as much due diligence on Grigerenko as possible as I can definitely see a Yzerman/Federov parallel potential.

    I do think the top 10 this year is enough of a crapshoot, that I want to see the Oil end the year playing well and let them pick wher they end off. I just hope this is our last top 10 pick for the next years, unless we can get Burke to trade a Leaf 1st round for Gagner.

  8. iwin76 says:

    Love this quote from Yzerman, re: RNH. “”I remember when I first started and played against Edmonton and [if] Wayne Gretzky was on the ice, I wasn’t. The next stage is you get to play against him and you’re minus-3 every night. The next stage is you play against him and you can keep up.”

  9. Lowetide says:

    And then the next stage is they hire Fedorov to do it and you win the Stanley. :-)

  10. cabbiesmacker says:

    Murray certainly looks to be the best D option in the draft, however, when all star Shawn Horcoff goes down, Belanger is the likely option to take his minutes, and the best you have to call-up is Chris VandeVelde, I think theres more pressing issues. Given that Murray would likely be 2-3 years away from contributing in a decent fashion and us already having young defencemen ahead of him in that regard I really hope the Oilers are looking long and hard at a Russian. If everything I hear is correct that is indeed the case.

    Have you written Fedun out as a possible top 8option for next year LT?

  11. Lowetide says:

    Cabbie: I don’t think the Oilers can count on Fedun for next season. He’d be a huge bonus if he makes it, though.

  12. iwin76 says:

    Lowetide:
    And then the next stage is they hire Fedorov to do it and you win the Stanley.

    Harsh :)

  13. fuzzy muppet says:

    Murray also has off-the-charts intangibles. Captain of his junior team at 16. Captain of team Canada at the juniors.

    Management seems to be drifting towards high character players.

    If they finish 29th( and that’s no given anymore) It’s either Murray or the Russian. My money will be on them taking Murray.

    If they keep winning, they may get Murray at 4.

  14. DSF says:

    Matty on Jason Garrison:

    “The line’s forming to the right for Florida UFA defenceman Jason Garrison, who has 16 goals, second only to Erik Karlsson. The Panthers have offered $2.5 million a year, but he’s barely given the offer the time of day after making $600,000 this year. The feeling is he figures he can get $4 million on the open market. Should the Oilers be in the hunt? Yes, but with reservations. They could use somebody to pound the puck — he’s a shooter not a passer, playing with Brian Campbell which gives him the leeway to fire away — but there are niggling concerns.

    “He’s a No. 5 defenceman,” said one NHL team executive. Plus, he’s only lit it up for one year. There’s no body of work here. That said, it’s a very shallow free-agent market for blue-liners, so he’s holding all the cards. Garrison is six-foot-two and 220lbs, but not physical. He’s only 27, from Vancouver. The Oilers are probably on the hunt.”

    http://tinyurl.com/7b3n98d

  15. Alpine says:

    Trade the Lottery pick for a young top pairing D if you can.

  16. fuzzy muppet says:

    Alpine,

    Thats ideal, but probably unlikely.

  17. slopitch says:

    Would anyone trade the lottery pick for Dougie Hamilton? That extra year development would be nice

    It’s looking more and more like Justin Schultz is going ufa. I don’t like our odds bidding against 29 other teams but I do wonder what he’d get. He’s a gem.

    For the most part I’m still on board el stinko for Grigorenko but the team needs to upgrade on D badly

  18. cabbiesmacker says:

    slopitch:
    Would anyone trade the lottery pick for Dougie Hamilton? That extra year development would be nice

    I would but I bet Boston wouldn’t.

  19. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Lowetide: Two things: if we’re looking at Murray as an offensive option then he’s never going to surpass the others, especially Dumba. No one I know is rating any defender ahead of Murray, and most of that has to do with skills that will work on defense and offense. All of the math we own tells us about offense, but there’s not much we can measure defensively. We just know when mistakes are made the puck often ends up in the back of the net. I think the Oilers will take Murray and count on a Chris Phillips/Kevin Lowe level defender. If they get lucky and he emerges as an elite level Mark Howe talent, then God loves us!But if you’re building this team, the last chance to grab someone who can help PREVENT goals is this summer. As luck would have it Murray’s available.

    Most around here know much more about prospects than myself so I’d like further reasoning behind picking a D man in the top 3 if he isn’t going to bring much for offense and then rely on him being a stud defensively while being undersized for a defensive D-man.There seems to be some missing ingredients for a top3 D-man pick

    Murray is 6ft 185lb – how much is he projected to grow? – Is it safe to assume he plays in the NHL at 195 lb and doesn’t stretch out?

    Chris Philips – 6’3″ 221 lb
    K Lowe – 6’2″ 200 lb

    T Chorney – 6’0″ 196 lb

    I understand this is considered to be a weak draft in comparison to the last couple years and I’m not predicting Murray will be a Chorney, but Murray better have the defense version of Eberle’s brain if you’re picking him in the top 3. If this is the case then carry on.

  20. striatic says:

    i’ve seen Murray play a meaningful game down the stretch here in Seattle, and man is he one intense fellow.

    the Tips lost, and Murray was pissed off as hell, especially in comparison with his teammates.

    that said, he really didn’t seem like anything special on the ice – though maybe he was having an off night and that was part of why he was so upset.

  21. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Two things: if we’re looking at Murray as an offensive option then he’s never going to surpass the others, especially Dumba. No one I know is rating any defender ahead of Murray, and most of that has to do with skills that will work on defense and offense.

    Button has Dumba 2nd after Yakupov. And then has Rielly, Reinhart, Finn and Ceci all ahead of Murray (10th).

    Nephew advises that as far as things stand right now, Bigos’ plan is to return to Merrimack for his last year. Things could change, but the kid lost his dad last summer and might want to follow through on the path he’s on.

    Murray might be gone by the time we’re picking. I feel horrible for the dilemma CBJ is facing. I’m sure they’d rather be picking first in the McKinnon draft (although they may yet get that chance).

  22. Alpine says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    The trick is finding a stupid enough GM to overvalue draft picks. A Tambellini type. Maybe Bob Murray’s that guy. I think it came up a few days ago that ST was open to moving the pick, so it’s possible he’s not as dull as I think.

  23. rickithebear says:

    Crisp on Ellis.
    Small dmen cannot handle the physical play but you put up with it for the offence.

    Muray’s Production says 25PT dman.
    Maybe we end up with a 2″ shorter N. Schultz.

  24. spoiler says:

    Alpine:
    fuzzy muppet,

    The trick is finding a stupid enough GM to overvalue draft picks. A Tambellini type. Maybe Bob Murray’s that guy. I think it came up a few days ago that ST was open to moving the pick, so it’s possible he’s not as dull as I think.

    You mean a guy like Chiarelli? Teams trading away the lottery pick tend to lose the trade.. I believe there was a recent post on ON about this.

    Top pairing D tend not to be young and if they are, then they’re one of the best value contracts on the roster. A Lottery pick wouldn’t be enough. And they wouldn’t be that different from what we have now, or Murray, except they cost us assets.

  25. DBO says:

    Murray is the safer bet. Dumba plays physical, but is small, and his game is way more high risk – high reward. They’ll take Murray because his bottom is way higher then the possible bottom of Dumba. I see Murray as anywhere from Bowmeester (solid two way, with speed and vision who never lived up to the 40 pt offensive stuff, but is a true top 4) to topping out at a Neidermeyer (who took a few yrs to add offense once he learned D in the NHL). Dumba is a smaller version of Phaenuf, and that’s not a compliment.

  26. art vandelay says:

    Last season when Vancouver dropped those two end-of-season games to the Oilers, it was clear they could not win the cup.

    Get outta here. They were one win away from winning the Cup. The same one-win-away that Oilers fans have been dining out on for 6 years now. Except the Canucks are a well-run org, loaded with talent up and down the roster at value contracts, while the Oilers have been burdened with bad management, saddlebag deals, and delusional expectations.

    One team is a perennial div champ. The other is a perennial doormat.

    80s are over, Oilers fans. Read about them in the history books. Your franchise has been relegated to the B division.

  27. striatic says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Murray also has off-the-charts intangibles.Captain of his junior team at 16.Captain of team Canada at the juniors.

    Management seems to be drifting towards high character players.

    If they finish 29th( and that’s no given anymore) It’s either Murray or the Russian.My money will be on them taking Murray.

    If they keep winning, they may get Murray at 4.

    i’m not so sure i like his character. sure he is the captain of his Junior team but his Junior team hasn’t exactly played above its weight. this year within 4 points of last place in the conference, final playoff seed, and Tri-City is currently mangling them in the first round.

    the Russia game was something other than stellar for Murray too, what with torpedoing his own goaltender on the first goal, and then a total defensive collapse through the first 2 periods.

    anecdotal and subjective analysis to be sure but these are warning flags for me if we want to get into the “intangibles” discussion.

  28. "Steve Smith" says:

    striatic: that said, he really didn’t seem like anything special on the ice

    If the eye glow is there, the world-class talent will follow.

  29. TheOtherJohn says:

    Satified with Smid, Petry and Schultz in top 4. Have no difficulty drafting Murray. Have no comprehension why Oilers are “planning” for Whitney to be in the the top 4. He is, off of his feet/ankle issues, a third pairing D man that can play lots of PP time. If he improves the Oilers will compete for the playoffs, if he does not and we have not planned for that liklihood, we are 12-20 next year

  30. LMHF#1 says:

    Lowetide:
    And then the next stage is they hire Fedorov to do it and you win the Stanley.

    Sounds simple enough to me. Hire Fedorov! (he’s still playing)

  31. striatic says:

    i can kinda see Edmonton doing something like picking Mikhail “Size at Centre” Grigorenko 2nd overall and then trading Gagner for a 1st round pick and use that to pick a Dman ..

  32. Billy Boisey says:

    striatic,

    In terms of character, Murray is the proverbial big game player, and certainly the polar opposite of what is the perception of Grigorienko. I have never seen him fail to get up for the games against the much bigger and stronger teams like Tri-Cities, no matter how futile it might seem, and how outmatched Everett might be. Typically, he seems to play his best in games Everett has no business winning. Sounds like a desirable trait for the current Oil line-up

    Style/comps brought up in another thread: The Mark Howe comparison is a stars-aligning scenario. However, LT hit on a very good/ more realistic comp in Phillips.

    On size, he is ‘smallish’ at 6’1″, however he has a more solid frame than some, and I think that he can still fill out a bit. It is also worth mentioning that he goes up against a lot of bigger players in the US division – Everett has a small team, and yet he usually wins the battles.

    On the birthday issue: He would have been AT LEAST a mid-first round pick, probably top-10, LAST YEAR. So now you’ve got a first-round caliber d-man who has effectively stolen another year of development, all in the context of this discussion of development time for d prospects.

    On the ‘we have other d prospects just as good’ argument. Sorry, Marincin is not as good as Murray. Murray’s skating and head for the game are ahead of Marincin’s. And I fail to see how anyone here can begin to make that statement re: Klefbom, given all we have is a lot of not so flattering stats and a couple WJHC games. Murray is also more mobile, with a more balanced game than Musil.

    If the Oilers win the lottery, by all means, they should draft Yakupov. But if they draft anywhere else, and Murray is available, especially if they pick at 3 or later, I would not pass on him.

  33. mustang says:

    Dumba has all the tools to be a star in the NHL, his one drawback is his size. He has Taylor Hall’s fire and compete level, this kid does it all. The last time I seen him he was the best player on the ice by far, he will go through a wall for his team(or put the opposition through it). For me it’s Dumba I’m not sold on Murray at all, I think if your looking for a good shutdown type of dman with some offence then
    Griffin Reinhart is the player, he will be a #4dman at worst. Dumba has 1-2dman level skill, I agree with Craig Button sky is the limit for this player.

  34. icecastles says:

    art vandelay: Get outta here. They were one win away from winning the Cup.

    And they were one overtime goal away from bowing out in the first round.

    art vandelay: 80s are over, Oilers fans. Read about them in the history books. Your franchise has been relegated to the B division.

    Never mind. I thought I was debating someone rational. But rhetoric and bombast work as well, I suppose. Now if only I (or anyone) had mentioned the 80s in this thread… Or if there were a “B” division in hockey…

    Incidentally, you know that since the lockout, the Oilers have been to the SCF (game 7, in fact) as many times as the Canucks, right? And that one of Edmonton’s cups came in the 90′s?

  35. striatic says:

    Billy Boisey,

    i guess my concern is that Murray is actually too tightly strung in big games, not that he comes out flat. this can lead to poor decision making [the wedgewood torpedo] and can alienate teammates if you start to blame them for not matching your level of intensity, ability and effort.

    but, it is useless to try to psychoanalyze the guy from behind a keyboard so i will stop now. ISWT.

  36. striatic says:

    looks like Barker is in .. the tank is back on!

  37. striatic says:

    arg. tencer says barker is out : [

    the tank is back off.

  38. cc says:

    My biggest fear is the Oilers draft Murray because he is “NHL ready”, then play him to early and develop him in the wrong league. I hate hearing the term NHL ready, especially for a defenseman! Hell, Chris Pronger really wasn’t NHL ready the year he was drafted, he played but he wasn’t ready, and he’s one of the best defensemen in the last 25 years. Whoever they draft; whether it’s Grigernko, Dumba, Reinhart, Galenchuyk. I want two things, i. pick the BEST player regardless of position and ii. develop the pick properly.

    In the event they select Murray, I sure as hell hope that he is not automatically inserted into the Oiler’s lineup. From my eye at the WJHC he would be better served going back to junior for one more year, dominating the W and being the go to dman @ the WJHC. Klefbom (who is only 2 months older) was a better player at the same tournament (small sample size I know) and most people think that he another year or two away from contributing. So why is Murray going to be able to play in the NHL before him?

    With Murray there’s a lotta red flags for me; age, numbers, size, the history of defenseman failure rate with top 5 picks. From 2004 – 2008 there were nine defenseman (Barker, J. Johnson, E. Johnson, Hickey, Alzner, Doughty, Bogosian, Pieterangelo & Schenn) drafted with top 5 picks. Only one of those picks should have played the season after his draft year. Potentially the best defenseman, Pieterangelo, was sent back to junior twice after his draft season.

    If Murray is Stu’s pick I’ll trust in Stu and have no problem with the Oilers selecting Murray if he is the best prospect available. There is a reason why so many draft pundits believe that he is the top d-man available. I’m not sure I trust how the Oilers will develop him if he is chosen.

  39. Lowetide says:

    Barker is IN? Well, that’s awful. Just awful. There’s no way to frame that as anything but a very poor roster decision by the coach.

  40. striatic says:

    Lowetide:
    Barker is IN? Well, that’s awful. Just awful. There’s no way to frame that as anything but a very poor roster decision by the coach.

    Principe RT from Tencer: Cam Barker taking warm up..no Andy Sutton or Peckham looks like Cam is in. We’ll see soon.

    then direct from Tencer: Theo Peckham is in the warm-up, paired with Potter. Barker an extra in the line rushes. Doesn’t look like he’s in.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Okay, well I’m climb back in, but the LEDGE REMAINS AN OPTION!

  42. jfry says:

    i don’t understand why we’re drafting a D. we have absolutely no depth up front. we’re hoping that 5th rounders will play top six and that smytty and horc can turn back time, meanwhile 40 percent of our 50 man roster is going to be dmen. this team can’t field a top 9 of skill guys and we don’t have effective shut down options.

    D seems like the only place we actually have some emerging depth. i take a forward based on hamilton, pitlick and mps struggling this year. seriously, our best center call up is VDV? that’s weak sauce.

  43. Billy Boisey says:

    striatic,

    Fair enough. It’s not really a concern of mine though. I’ve never seen him snap at his teammates, or do anything particularly rash. He just brings his best game against the big opponents. I do agree tho, keyboard-based psychoanalysis is probably not the most accurate or the best use of time.

  44. Lowetide says:

    JFRY: I think it’s a matter of what’s available. If the Jackets pass on Yakupov and the Oilers pick 2nd they should sprint up to the podium and announce his name. After that, there’s no Seguin or Landeskog available.

    If the Russian had shown better this season (Grigorenko) it would have made Edmonton’s situation easier.

  45. DSF says:

    icecastles: And they were one overtime goal away from bowing out in the first round.

    And so was Boston.

    The playoffs are like that.

  46. striatic says:

    jfry,

    it is the “Edmonton is stacked at forward” myth that the media has been pushing all year.

    the same reason why people were pushing to trade Hemsky for D despite not really thinking about who is supposed to play RW once he’s gone.

    it’s this monster myth that has grown so big that it is taken as a given, though i do think edmonton is fine at LW for now.

  47. Lowetide says:

    Jones decided not to engage the Columbus forward in a puck battle along the wall. Leave it for the other guy.

  48. TartanArmy says:

    There’s a lot of empty seats in Columbus, it’s too bad. I don’t see them being in the league 3 years from now,

  49. ASkoreyko says:

    Lowetide:
    Jones decided not to engage the Columbus forward in a puck battle along the wall. Leave it for the other guy.

    I saw Jones do the “ole” move with the defender there and yelled at my TV. How he is allowed to do that is beyond me.

    The oilers are not going to be successful if their pluggers are not committed to the role given to them.

  50. oilersfan says:

    The toughest part of drafting dmen is the projection. Forwards are easier as they can be measured by points. The issue I have is the number of lottery dmen who bust vs forwards, and how many elite dmen are found in the late rounds.

    The knock on Grigorenko is effort and consistency. I wonder how much of that is playing injured and not being used to playing 75 games. Effort and concistency is also a function of youth.

  51. spoiler says:

    Do they have the two fans banging the glass behind the BJ net miked?

  52. TartanArmy says:

    Nice reaction save by Dubnyk. He’s played real strong in March, 5-1-1?

  53. slopitch says:

    LT Ive been hearing lots of good re Grigorenko. Enough that he imo should be the target. Why do you say otherwise?

  54. fuzzy muppet says:

    ugh, Theo Peckham is bad. Not Cam Barker bad, but bad none-the-less.

  55. TartanArmy says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Yeah, on his best nights Peckham in a 5/6 depth d-man. He’ll never put in 50 games a year.

  56. spoiler says:

    I really like the way Hartikainen comes off the boards with the puck. Great shift by all three Fs, except for the finish.

  57. spoiler says:

    Actually, I thought the Peckham giveaway was on the Forwards. They gave him zero options or support. In fact when he and Potter were passing cross ice and semi-bactracking, I didn’t see one F circle down low to help out and that should’ve been the warning right there.

  58. striatic says:

    if you take Grigorenko, where do you play him?

    not that i’m against it, especially given size up front, but Gagner has the second line and RNH the first.

    so .. third line? where do you put Horcoff, Belanger?

    im not saying Edmonton is deep at C, because they aren’t but in this scenario someone has to shift positions or leave, and Gagner hasn’t shown a ton of promise on the third line or on wing.

  59. pboy says:

    Peckham has been really poor all season but I’m still hoping that he turns into something. He’s a decent PKer and he’s naturally mean. Thats something that is in short order for the Oilers. We haven’t had a genuine mean streak since Jason Smith and it’s one of he reasons this team is so easy to play against IMO.

  60. striatic says:

    Lowetide,

    Bob McKenzie is saying that knock is a bit unfair, as the guy has improved in terms of consistency this year.

    only one source, but an interesting one.

  61. TartanArmy says:

    If we draft a forward (Grigorenko or Yakupov) I think one of our top 6 should be packaged for a 1-2 d-man. But, who in the top 6? I would think RNH, Hall and Eberle are here for a while, that leaves Gagner or Hemsky, but I don’t think by themselves they can fetch a 1-2. Maybe a Gagner and Omark + draft pick? Problem is I think we need another top 6 veteran presence which doesn’t leave much room for another young dynamic fwd. Another option could be to draft the best fwd and trade him at the draft with another fwd for that coveted defenceman.

    I think we need to draft a d-man, Murray or Dumba. Guys like Pekham, Barker, Plante, all expendable IMO.

  62. oilersfan says:

    Striatic if the oilers take Grigorenko there is a good chance he returns to junior or even the AHL.

    The theory is when he is ready to play you trade Gagner for a top 6our dman and have the big second line center and the top 4 d you need.

    Two questions:

    1) If the Oilers draft Grigorenko and send him to the ahl next year, does that count towards his time before he becomes a UFA?

    2)Since gagner has more points than Turris, would he be worth Rundblad and a second at the very least?

  63. TartanArmy says:

    Geez, Eager is having a terrible game. Bad giveaway.

  64. Professor Q says:

    Oilers goal: 3:40 2nd Period. Unknown. Assists: None.

  65. striatic says:

    TartanArmy:
    Problem is I think we need another top 6 veteran presence which doesn’t leave much room for another young dynamic fwd.

    if you look at the Pens, they have Crosby, Malkin, Staal as their center core, although the only player there comparable to RNH, Gagner, Grigorenko is maaaybe Malkin/Grigorenko.

    still, that’s three young C drafted consecutively. so it isn’t impossible to go that way even if the comparison is a stretch.

  66. fuzzy muppet says:

    For all the shit Jones takes on here, he sure has been productive for two straight seasons.

    Not bad for a waiver claim

  67. Lowetide says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    For all the shit Jones takes on here, he sure has been productive for two straight seasons.

    Not bad for a waiver claim

    Absolutely. He’s been more than worth it.

  68. skidplate says:

    I haven’t seen much of the game but Omark seems to be involved in the wrong teams goals.

  69. striatic says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    unfairly maligned in my opinion. it isn’t even so much that his benefits outweigh the criticisms – the criticisms themselves are unfair.

    like the whole “unsustainable shooting percentage” thing when players who score the way Jones does, most notably Holmstrom, also have “unsustainable shooting percentage” because of the nature of the stat and how these players score goals.

  70. TartanArmy says:

    Wow, just realized CVV is in, what’s up with Horcoff?

  71. striatic says:

    TartanArmy,

    back spasms.

  72. Lowetide says:

    Bad back.

  73. skidplate says:

    What a goal!!! VV

  74. spoiler says:

    VV!!!

  75. fuzzy muppet says:

    Nice job Vandy!

  76. TartanArmy says:

    Hah, just as I noticed CVV was in, he scores.

  77. Professor Q says:

    But…But…They’re not supposed to win!

  78. Lowetide says:

    VandeVelde’s first NHL goal. I bet Horcoff is thinking about Wally Pipp right now (not really).

  79. Lowetide says:

    Hemsky with a dangerous pass. Internet explodes in 5……4…..3….

  80. skidplate says:

    smid baby!!!!

  81. fuzzy muppet says:

    Steve Mason is not very good

  82. TartanArmy says:

    Smid? Wha?

  83. skidplate says:

    Talk about being in fire

  84. rich says:

    Crosby is going to have to work hard to catch Smid this season in goals scored.

  85. spoiler says:

    Ladi Smid was already a joy to watch this game. 5th bath night of the season. I’ve never been so clean.

  86. striatic says:

    love it when Smid scores, more than any oiler.

  87. speeds says:

    oilersfan:
    Striatic if the oilers take Grigorenko there is a good chance he returns to junior or even the AHL.

    The theory is when he is ready to play you trade Gagner for a top 6our dman and have the big second line center and the top 4 d you need.

    Two questions:

    1) If the Oilers draft Grigorenko and send him to the ahl next year, does that count towards his time before he becomes a UFA?

    Grigorenko is not AHL eligible next year

  88. fuzzy muppet says:

    Lowetide,

    Belanger might be :)

  89. TartanArmy says:

    Wasn’t Smid initially touted as an offensive d-man? Finally living up to his offensive potential perhaps?

  90. fuzzy muppet says:

    more importantly, RNH now leads rookies in scoring

  91. skidplate says:

    Did he just say I’m a dick?

  92. skidplate says:

    Doesn’t make up for the poor game yet eager

  93. rich says:

    Ben Eager. You can’t stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

  94. fuzzy muppet says:

    Steve Mason is not very good again…

  95. TartanArmy says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Unfortunaley, Landeskog at this point is bringing more to his team, despite the points race, I think he is still the front-runner. And Eager does something useful….yahoo.

  96. gogliano says:

    RNH starting to pick up (1) road (2) EV points.

    … and Mason is terrible.

  97. delooper says:

    Columbus is playing a bad, bad game. They’ve earned their 1st overall pick.

  98. icecastles says:

    I can’t imagine watching this game as an Oilers “fan” and being disappointed that they’re winning. That is a type of fandom I will just never understand.

  99. Lowetide says:

    Oilers goal diff is -18 right now, I think. wonder if they’ll finish ahead of Calgary?

  100. striatic says:

    TartanArmy,

    Smid has a good shot, and good hands too when he carries the puck – rarely – deep in the offensive zone.

    it’s just never amounts to anything when he attempts to use those tools, so he doesn’t use them. even this year they haven’t been a big factor in his game. occasional goal aside, i don’t see that changing. especially playing beside Petry.

  101. gd says:

    Boy this game epitomizes why I feel the coaching still has to change,to at least change the culture. I just wish they would come out hard at the start of the game more often and with even remotely NHL goaltending this is still a 2-1 game.

    If one of Murray’s faults is he plays too hard and gets mad at teammates who don’t play hard, then sign me up for that guy. If my math is right, Everett went 3-16 in the games he was injured for and they went 5-4 in the month of March to make the playoffs by 2 points. I didn’t realize he only played one game before the WJC, so I suspect he wasn’t 100 percent.

  102. fuzzy muppet says:

    You really see what a difference a Goaltender makes.

    Mason is awful

  103. rich says:

    Nice goal for Gagner.

    Has anyone mentioned that Mason is a really bad goalie?

  104. spoiler says:

    icecastles:
    I can’t imagine watching this game as an Oilers “fan” and being disappointed that they’re winning. That is a type of fandom I will just never understand.

    Moi aussi. Or, as they say in Swahili: ditto.

  105. skidplate says:

    That is a good period!

  106. gd says:

    Lowetide:
    VandeVelde’s first NHL goal. I bet Horcoff is thinking about Wally Pipp right now (not really).

    If Wally Pip had 3 yrs left on his 5 Mill contract Lou would still be in the minors.

  107. gogliano says:

    J. Eberle tied for 10th in league scoring.

  108. skidplate says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers goal diff is -18 right now, I think. wonder if they’ll finish ahead of Calgary?

    Well Calgary is -22 I think. Wonder what Jay “Peter Griffin” Feaster will say about his team and the Oiler rebuild then?

  109. BlacqueJacque says:

    Yeah, I have to say, I was right there with you when you predicted a drop-off in Jones. The shooting percentage, the advanced stats…

    Yet here he is again. Handily broke his points record in fewer games played, now within 1 goal of tying his goals scored record, and has broken 30 points as of today.

    Above all, Jones provides a rough edge, but he doesn’t take too many penalties. Not always smart penalties, but neither is he taking too many bad ones. He provides something the Oil lack otherwise. It’s him and Smyth you can count on for the garbage goals.

    Terrible vision though. Reminds me of some kinds of dogs, that when chasing a ball, are completely oblivious to everything but the ball. Cars, people, fences, holes in the ground… nothing matters but the ball. It’s a horrible comparison to make, I know, and I’m sorry Ryan if you read this.

  110. oilersfan says:

    Speeds

    Why isn’t Grigorenko eligible to go to the ahl as an import like Smid and Marincin?

  111. striatic says:

    gogliano:
    J. Eberle tied for 10th in league scoring.

    should be a little higher than than in points per game too.

    other than Giroux, Malkin and Kovalchuk, everyone ahead of him has played more games, with Giroux playing the same number.

  112. spoiler says:

    skidplate:
    Did he just say I’m a dick?

    I would’t take it personally. He don’t know you!!

  113. striatic says:

    oilersfan,

    he isn’t an import. he plays junior in north america.

  114. Lowetide says:

    Val Fonteyne I believe is also from Wetaskiwin. I’m probably just talking to Bruce on that one. :-)

  115. skidplate says:

    Mason looked pissed.

  116. oilersfan says:

    So did marincin last year but he was eligible to got to the ahl this year. How does that exemption work for imports? I think they can go to the ahl earler than north american kids

  117. spoiler says:

    Spector comps Smid to Vish Throttler.

    In other news, Dennis King of Newfoundland, Canada is struck by lightning under a cloudless sky.

  118. Ducey says:

    Man, its nice to see VDV with enough size to take someone into the turn buckle with authority.

  119. Traktor says:

    Smid sure has come a long way since MacT tried to turn him into a 4th line winger.

  120. speeds says:

    oilersfan:
    So did marincin last year but he was eligible to got to the ahl this year. How does that exemption work for imports? I think they can go to the ahl earler than north american kids

    Marincin and Smid were both drafted out of Europe, so they can play in the AHL at 18.

    Marincin didn’t go to the WHL until after he was drafted by the Oilers, while Grigorenko is playing in the Q before being drafted.

    Gernat, I believe, is AHL eligible next season, even though he played in the WHL this season, since he was drafted out of Europe. With his stat line, one might ordinarily expect him to go to the AHL, but given EDM’s number of graduating players plus, probably, a desire to see Gernat put on some weight before going pro, he may well stay in the WHL.

  121. oilersfan says:

    Nobody mentioned it here yet but RNH is now ahead of Landeskog in the points race. I don’t know how RNH is somehow the underdog here. He needs to keep up the .85 ppg and get over 20 goals to get to be the favourite again.

  122. skidplate says:

    Nice PK so far tonight

  123. oilersfan says:

    Thanks for the clarification speeds.

    Patrick Roy says he thinks Grigorenko would benefit from another year in junior. Of course it benefits him for that to happen but he may be right. Getting used to a long season, learning the lanuages, playin in the whjc as a first liner, and growing into his large frame all while not burning up any of his elc makes sense to me.

    So if Turris gets Rundblad and a second what does Gagner get? He has been better than Turris five years in a row. I guess it wasn’t just Phoenix’ styfling system holding him back…he can’t even get half a point per game on one of the highest scoring teams in hockey! DSF wrong again.

  124. icecastles says:

    oilersfan: I don’t know how RNH is somehow the underdog here.

    Because Landeskog’s game is so complete. Huge number of hits, incredible +/-, apparently very good defensively and he’s faced a lot of tough comp (RNH was sheltered quite effectively for the first half of the season). I’m behind RNH for the Calder given his points production in fewer games, on a crappier team and with less ice time. But I can see the argument for Landeskog and it’s a strong one. I thin kthe 1st overall pick always has a bit tougher a time ‘earning’ the Calder, simply because their draft position places a higher expectation on them. That’s just a theory though – I have no evidence to back that up.

    If the Nuge finishes the season decisively ahead in the points race, he’ll have a strong shot.

  125. striatic says:

    oilersfan,

    Landeskog has an unreal number of shots, and clearly isn’t relying on shooting percentage to luck into a good season, and his +/- is almost unheard of for a rookie on a team like Colorado.

    RNH is an underdog because of that, and because he isn’t dominating in any category, Landeskog with more goals, Henrique with more assists.

    RNH also gets to play with Eberle and in a twist that Oilers fans aren’t used to, he is probably thought of as riding a teammate’s coat-tails to a certain extent.

  126. striatic says:

    also, Landeskog is in a playoff race that people are paying attention to and performing under higher pressure and is arguably the main reason Colorado even has a shot this year.

  127. icecastles says:

    oilersfan,

    Oh also, RNH is from the lower mainland and my Vancouver friends assure me that there is a deep NHL conspiracy against anything from Vancouver.

  128. striatic says:

    if Montreal finishes lower than Edmonton, which is looking more and more likely, i think they take Grigorenko. QMJHL – Roi’s team no less – and experience with Russians on the team and whatnot.

  129. Ducey says:

    icecastles:
    oilersfan,

    Oh also, RNH is from the lower mainland and my Vancouver friends assure me that there is a deep NHL conspiracy against anything from Vancouver.

    Its not a conspiracy if its justified. :)

  130. oilersfan says:

    Well if rnh had played 82 games he likely would have had 25-30 goals and 70 points and is a year younger than Landeskog.

    Landeskog plays with some pretty good players in Stastny or O’Reilly too.

    As for the plus minus…we all know how inacurrate that is, and what is Colorado’s goal differential vs the Oilers?

    If I’m the NHL I want to promote the best young stars. While Landeskog is no doubt having a strong season there is little doubt RNH has a mch higher ceiling.

  131. lazerguidedmelody says:

    Ben Eager is an idiot. That’s all.

  132. spoiler says:

    oilersfan:
    Well if rnh had played 82 games he likely would have had 25-30 goals and 70 points and is a year younger than Landeskog.

    Landeskog plays with some pretty good players in Stastny or O’Reilly too.

    As for the plus minus…we all know how inacurrate that is, and what is Colorado’s goal differential vs the Oilers?

    If I’m the NHL I want to promote the best young stars. While Landeskog is no doubt having a strong season there is little doubt RNH has a mch higher ceiling.

    I don’t think they vote on ceiling. Nor do I think age or linemates have much impact on the voting. Landeskog has the more complete NHL game right now, as his draft report advertized. Nuge is ahead of him offensively. Should be a tight race.

  133. skidplate says:

    Very selfish play be Eager. Renney did not look pleased

  134. Ryan says:

    Wow. LT.

    Anyone here, raise your hand if two seasons ago you thought you would see the name, “Smid” at the top of the Oilers’ D depth chart. (anyone with their hand in the air is either insane or a flat out liar ;p )

  135. skidplate says:

    Points in the last 7 games. 12 of 14 points. Looking good. Keep this up and we can draft a good D-man and sign or trade for one over the summer and away we go. Finish ahead of the Flamers next year would be sweet.

  136. oilersfan says:

    The hardest thing to do in the NHL is create goals. RNH is 25 % better at it than Landeskog, and he doesn’t cheat for offense.

    They do consider age as last year’s battle between Couture and Skinner proves.

    I think RNH should be the favourite.

  137. spoiler says:

    Well-deserved first star for Smiddy.

    Scott Oake should be doing this Vandevelde interview.

  138. delooper says:

    @Ryan: somewhere last year there was an LT thread where he suggest the Oilers trade Smid and I said something like there’s no way anyone should consider trading Smid. He’s quickly becoming exactly the kind of player the Oilers most need now. And here we are! Though, if you look back I’m sure I said a lot of meatheaded things, too.

  139. Lowetide says:

    Ryan:
    Wow.LT.

    Anyone here, raise your hand if two seasons ago you thought you would see the name, “Smid” at the top of the Oilers’ D depth chart.(anyone with their hand in the air is either insane or a flat out liar ;p )

    Crazy, isn’t it? He’s good without the GF, but smacking 5 in a season was a distant bell until this season. Now. Let’s talk about sustain. :-)

  140. bookje says:

    Good to see Eberle and RNH with some points today – Its getting to where the sportwriters might just have to look at reality and give the Bing and the Calder to Oilers. Though, I suspect that being a Team in the West and a Team in Canada likely means that they will win neither.

  141. bookje says:

    Ryan:
    Wow.LT.

    Anyone here, raise your hand if two seasons ago you thought you would see the name, “Smid” at the top of the Oilers’ D depth chart.(anyone with their hand in the air is either insane or a flat out liar ;p )

    Some of us just keep one arm in the air at all times ‘just in case’.

  142. spoiler says:

    oilersfan:
    The hardest thing to do in the NHL is create goals. RNH is 25 % better at it than Landeskog, and he doesn’t cheat for offense.

    They do consider age as last year’s battle between Couture and Skinner proves.

    I think RNH should be the favourite.

    Yes, age may play a role–when there’s a big difference. And what’s their differential in scoring at EVs?

    And that’s great that you feel RNH should be the favourite. Spoken like a true fan. My point is that there’s good arguments for both, and they both deserve the consideration.

  143. speeds says:

    Lowetide: Crazy, isn’t it? He’s good without the GF, but smacking 5 in a season wasa distant bell until this season. Now. Let’s talk about sustain.

    Just in time to leave via UFA in the summer of 2013? Or is he a guy you think EDM locks up, either at a reasonable price or overpay?

  144. striatic says:

    if Edmonton keeps playing like this, they can finish as high as 22nd, out of the lottery.

    things i’d like to see this year ..

    finish ahead of Toronto in points.

    finish ahead of Calgary in goal differential.

    small victories, true, but very achievable given their current position in the standings.

  145. Lowetide says:

    speeds: Just in time to leave via UFA in the summer of 2013?Or is he a guy you think EDM locks up, either at a reasonable price or overpay?

    I’d think that Smid is a guy they’ll want to keep around. After all these years of watching him progress, Smid signing elsehwere would be painful to watch.

  146. speeds says:

    oilersfan:
    Thanks for the clarification speeds.

    Patrick Roy says he thinks Grigorenko would benefit from another year in junior. Of course it benefits him for that to happen but he may be right. Getting used to a long season, learning the lanuages, playin in the whjc as a first liner, and growing into his large frame all while not burning up any of his elc makes sense to me.

    So if Turris gets Rundblad and a second what does Gagner get? He has been better than Turris five years in a row. I guess it wasn’t just Phoenix’ styfling system holding him back…he can’t even get half a point per game on one of the highest scoring teams in hockey! DSF wrong again.

    An interesting potential twist with Grigorenko, at least for me, is that if you take him, you may have to consider keeping him in the NHL if he’s a borderline case moreso than you would have had to with RNH or Hall, because there is some unknown risk that if you don’t keep him in the NHL, he’ll head back to Russia.

  147. delooper says:

    I don’t see why people are so keen on the Calder. I doubt it would be a big deal to RNH. Probably it would make some fans happy, to have some legitimate sign of success. But I just hope all the Oilers come out of the season on a strong run, winning games, and not picking up any injuries… RNH will probably have a productive summer, acting on the things he learned during the season, doing some wizardry and coming back all the more powerful.

  148. skidplate says:

    I think they try to lock Smid up for three or four years at about 3.5 to 4

  149. ASkoreyko says:

    Smid doesn’t want to go anywhere, when his last contract was up he was saying in the media that he hopes he can stay with the Oilers, as he loves playing in Edmonton.

    I think Smid represents one of the chances the Oil have a getting guys to stay with “value” contracts. The emergence of him and Petry this year has been a nice surprise no doubt.

    I was thinking the other day at what point does the emergence of Smid and Petry help quell the popular narrative that the Oilers need TWO! top-4D? Petry has certainly proven himself to be a capable minute eater and Smid brings a nice sense of calmness to the Oilers end when he is out there.

    I hope they take Grigorenko, as nice as it has been seeing Gagner progress this year, I dont know how comfortable all of us would feel heading into the playoffs with a RNH/Gagner 1-2 C line-up.

  150. oilersfan says:

    No doubt I am an oilersfan but even as an objective observer when was the last timw a guy played 60 games, led the rookie scoring race, got 25% more points per game than the next two guys and didn’t win?

    Also, I think RNH gets a substantial bonus for the calder so I’m sure he cares a lot about it.

  151. striatic says:

    skidplate,

    i think you give Smid term and money up front and try to keep the cap hit down.

    4 years and 3.5 per year would be terrific. you might have to give him 5 years and 5m up front to get that deal though.

  152. godot10 says:

    oilersfan:
    Thanks for the clarification speeds.

    Patrick Roy says he thinks Grigorenko would benefit from another year in junior. Of course it benefits him for that to happen but he may be right. Getting used to a long season, learning the lanuages, playin in the whjc as a first liner, and growing into his large frame all while not burning up any of his elc makes sense to me.

    As has been noted, 1) Grigorenko CANNOT go to the AHL, since he will be drafted out of the CHL and 2) he is going to be losing Patrick Roy as his coach next year in Quebec (when Roy his handed the Canadiens GM and/or coaching job)

    and 3) the Oilers cannot go with two teenage centres who cannot win a face-off for the next 3 years, Nugent-Hopkins isn’t Crosby, and Grigorenko isn’t Malkin, and Malkin stay in Russia an extra year.

    Lowetide constantly talks about balance. Another teenaged forward is too many. Leave the ideal 2nd centre problem for another year. Gagner is good enough for now.

  153. gd says:

    godot10: As has been noted, 1) Grigorenko CANNOT go to the AHL, since he will be drafted out of the CHL and 2) he is going to be losing Patrick Roy as his coach next year in Quebec (when Roy his handed the Canadiens GM and/or coaching job)

    and 3) the Oilers cannot go with two teenage centres who cannot win a face-off for the next 3 years,Nugent-Hopkins isn’t Crosby, and Grigorenko isn’t Malkin, and Malkin stay in Russia an extra year.

    Lowetide constantly talks about balance. Another teenaged forward is too many.Leave the ideal 2nd centre problem for another year.Gagner is good enough for now.

    Godot,

    Completely agree. Getzlaf a UFA after next year. Part of the bringing in as many Sask guys as possible program.

  154. Ducey says:

    Jones now just 2 pts back of Hemsky and Horcoff.

    I’m not saying…just saying.

  155. gd says:

    Two of the most encouraging stats I’ve seen in awhile;

    Team had 26 pts in 22 games before Hall got got hurt in Colorado (which includes the CFR road trip), next 25 games are a disaster (includes extremely easy 6 game home stand in Dec), last 29 games have 33 pts, thus eliminate those middle 25 games, they have 59 pts in 51 games. That would project to 95 pts over full season.

    Also Gagner is 48% in faceoff this year vs 43% last yr.

  156. DSF says:

    oilersfan:
    The hardest thing to do in the NHL is create goals. RNH is 25 % better at it than Landeskog, and he doesn’t cheat for offense.

    They do consider age as last year’s battle between Couture and Skinner proves.

    I think RNH should be the favourite.

    The hardest thing to do in the NHL is SCORE gaols.

    I’m sure you are aware that there are potentially 2 assists handed out on every goal scored and piling up a bunch os second assists is nice but not all that meaningful.

    Landeskog has SCORED 22 goals…Hopkins 18.

    I would think if Hopkins can finish 5-7 points ahead of Landeskog, he may win the Calder but, if voters look at all of Landeskog’s underlying numbers, he’s a no brainer.

  157. Traktor says:

    Schultz 14 0 4 4 +3
    Gilbert 12 0 0 2 -5

    Who knew?

    Jones with 7 points in 6 games since being moved up to the top line. Only -2 on the year despite 2nd hardest zonestarts and shitty qualteam. Too bad he leaves the zone early or something like that..

  158. PaperDesigner says:

    Nugent-Hopkins, over an eighty two game pace, would be well within the top twenty five in NHL scoring. Apply his points per game over an eighty two game pace, and by my numbers, works out to 73 points.

    More impressive than a player who looks like a very good two-way second line winger right now? You betcha. Offense guys should get Calders… it’s a lot harder to score in the NHL than to do anything else, as having four NHL netminders with GAA below 2.00 this year attests to.

    I mean, seriously, what happened to the so-called new NHL? I think there’s less scoring than in the dead-puck era. We may have to retroactively refer to the new NHL as Deadpuck 2.0.

    Anyways, if they are going to keep Whitney around, they need to slot him as the number 5. Has the brains, experience and hands to play top four minutes, but maybe not the feet. They need to sign a guy who can play in your top four today, and then, when the injuries hit, maybe it’s not such a bad thing that Whitney plays part-time in your top four.

    Has there not been enough evidence that you need more that you need to slot guys below their potential level of ability, and then push them up further in the line-up when you have to, rather than having to push them up in the line-up right away, and then even further when injuries hit?

    They have cap space… how about going into the season with five guys who can play top four minutes? Would that really be so awful?

    And how about instead of putting a gamble contract on a guy coming off his worst season with a history of poor performance (Barker), they put a gamble contract on a guy coming off his worst season with a history of good performance (Penner)?

    Bah, I’m being unreasonable–I’m expecting Edmonton’s management to make smart moves.

  159. oilersfan says:

    Of course you do dsf because

    1) You hate the Oilers
    2) Everything the Oilers do is bad
    3) You are a mean spirited, condescending, take every point in my favour no points in yours, jerk

    Therefore

    1) RNH is inferior to Landeskog.
    2) Although I am 100% sure if Landeskog played for the Oilers and the exact situation were reversed you would be saying RNH should be winning the calder
    3) You are still a jerk.

    Just wondering about how brilliant Burkie is looking now as you were raving about until December. Yup that Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton trade looks better everyday.

  160. stevezie says:

    It’s something of a myth that the OIl need to draft a D because that’s where their biggest need is; sure their biggest NHL need is one more defender but whne it comes to organizational depth we’re strong there- it’s forwards we need. After Pitlick and Hamilton, who are we waiting for? Martindale, maybe? Whereas there are five to ten D prospects we all have hopes and dreams for. Plus, even if Murray is everything his biggest fans think he is, he still won’t be able to step in and be the very good top 4 guy this team needs.

    I’m not saying don’t take Murray, I’m BPA is the only reasonable call, assuming we keep it of course. (Who said trade it for Dougie Hamilton? If Boston scouts like someone more than I do I’d be thrilled with that option. Same goes for Coutourier. Other than Nail, list draft lacks players who speak to me.)

  161. stevezie says:

    Also, the pro-tankers need to consider the benefits of being able to sell UFA’s on our imminent improvement. If we close the year out on a winning streak, maybe we get a slightly better UFA defender. I’d happily trade that for a slightly lesser prospect, especially since it looks like a wash after Nail.

  162. Lowetide says:

    Traktor:
    Schultz 14 0 4 4 +3
    Gilbert 12 0 0 2 -5

    Who knew?

    Jones with 7 points in 6 games since being moved up to the top line. Only -2 on the year despite 2nd hardest zonestarts and shitty qualteam. Too bad he leaves the zone early or something like that..

    Don’t forget the EN goals and the tap ins, and his time on the top line early and late. Jones has had two good seasons in a row, and this year his zone starts have been difficult. But let’s put all the cards out there, and yes part of it is cheating.

    We can name Ryan Smyth in that dept too btw,

  163. oilersfan says:

    So advanced stats are an important indicator of a player’s worth but assists aren’t?

    Dsf lives on a strange world. Maybe Glen Sather mooned you at a 9-2 blowout in 1985?

    Or are you Toni Tanti’s dad?

  164. Iztok Turk says:

    DSF: The hardest thing to do in the NHL is SCORE gaols.

    I’m sure you are aware that there are potentially 2 assists handed out on every goal scored and piling up a bunch os second assists is nice but not all that meaningful.

    Landeskog has SCORED 22 goals…Hopkins 18.

    I would think if Hopkins can finish 5-7 points ahead of Landeskog, he may win the Calder but, if voters look at all of Landeskog’s underlying numbers, he’s a no brainer.

    Actual NHL Points:
    RNH: 49 in 56 games
    Landeskog: 48 in 77 games

    “Underlying” Numbers:
    Landeskog: 94
    RNH: 32

    Intangibles:
    Landeskog: 326
    RNH: 14

    As stated previously, a no-brainer.

  165. Lowetide says:

    Iztok bringing it

  166. stevezie says:

    PaperDesigner:

    Has there not been enough evidence that you need more that you need to slot guys below their potential level of ability, and then push them up further in the line-up when you have to, rather than having to push them up in the line-up right away, and then even further when injuries hit?

    Yes there has, this is one of those super truths. Between Whitney’s feet and Smid and Petry’s limited resume of greatness, we would be crazy crazy crazy to think that all three of these guys are going to play like top 4 defenders for the entirety of the next season, and that’s before you even pause to consider injuries. Hockey is violent,m people get hurt. That’s not pessimism it is life.

    If we want to make the playoffs we need one more good to very good defenceman. Not a reclemation gamble, not a good younger player with upside, we need one more guy who is for sure good or very good right now.

    DSF,

    No one disagrees Landeskog’s awesome, but our guy is on pace to out goal score him as well. I think a better argument would be that it’s unfair to assume RNH would have kept this pace up when Landeskog had to prove he could score. Carl Sneep is a point a game rookie defender, after all, and no one is talking about him.

  167. oilersfan says:

    Dsf isn’t reading anymore he is on a flames forum telling them how bad they are.

    Then he is going to steal halloween candy from children then come back here to badmouth Taylor Hall for getting a concussion.

    Jonathan Willis is doing a series on poetential GM’s for the Oilers should they fire Tambellini. DSF is number four on the list.

  168. DSF says:

    oilersfan:
    Of course you do dsf because

    1) You hate the Oilers
    2) Everything the Oilers do is bad
    3) You are a mean spirited, condescending, take every point in my favour no points in yours, jerk

    Therefore

    1) RNH is inferior to Landeskog.
    2) Although I am 100% sure if Landeskog played for the Oilers and the exact situation were reversed you would be saying RNH should be winning the calder
    3) You are still a jerk.

    Just wondering about how brilliant Burkie is looking now as you were raving about until December. Yup that Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton trade looks better everyday.

    Well young fella I (I assume you are young based on your posts) let’s have a look.

    You already know the boxcars so I won’t bore you with that but you should pay attention to Landeskog’s +19. That he is able to accomplish that on a team with a goal differential of -2 is notable.

    Landeskog plays the toughest opposition among Colorado forwards.
    Hopkins is 4th amongst Oiler forwards.
    Conclusion: Hopkins is being sheltered.

    Landeskog starts in the offensive zone 54.3% of the time.
    Hopkins starts in the offensive zone 61.8% of the time.
    Conclusion: Hopkins is being sheltered

    Landeskog has scored 16G 19A 36P at 5V5
    Hopkins has scored 15G 12A 27P at 5V5
    Conclusion: Landeskog is a much better even strength player.

    Landeskog has scored only 11PTS on the PP.
    Hopkins has scored 22PTS on the PP.
    Conclusion: Hopkins excels at special teams.
    (Note: Landeskog actually has scored 6PP goals while Hopkins has only scored 3)

    Landeskog averages 1:21 SHTOI/G
    Hopkins averages 0:02 SHTOI/G
    Conclusion: Landeskog is relied upon in all facets of the game.

    Hopkins is an exceptional talent IMO but, for the most part is a PP specialist.

    I am sure, as he matures, he will improve his performance in other areas but anyone can see Landeskog is already a complete player.

    If voters for the Calder vote entirely based on PPG, then Hopkins will likely win but, if they vote based on who had the best overall season, Landeskog will win.

    I”m not sure what Burke and the Kessel trade have to do with this discussion but, since you brought it up, Burke is still winning that trade.

    Kessel is currently 5th in league scoring while Seguin, despite playing for a much better team, is 34th.

    There’s a decent chance that Seguin may become a better player than Kessel but he certainly isn’t right now.

    Dougie Hamilton may swing the trade in Boston’s favour but that remains to be seen and I am sure you are aware that lots of things happen on the way to Grandma’s house.

  169. Traktor says:

    DSF:

    Kessel is currently 5th in league scoring while Seguin, despite playing for a much better team, is 34th.

    Seguin +27
    Kessel -8

    In summary +/- matters for Landeskog/RNH but not for Seguin/Kessel

    Any sane person would take Seguin over Kessel. Hamilton is just gravy. Burke will make up the difference with one of his free empty wallets though.

  170. DSF says:

    Iztok Turk: Actual NHL Points:
    RNH: 49 in 56 games
    Landeskog: 48 in 77 games

    “Underlying” Numbers:
    Landeskog: 94
    RNH: 32

    Intangibles:
    Landeskog: 326
    RNH: 14

    As stated previously, a no-brainer.

    SOG for the Corsi freaks:

    Landeskog – 254
    Hopkins – 121

    Let’s hope Landeskog doesn’t work on his shot this summer. :)

  171. DSF says:

    Traktor: Seguin +27
    Kessel -8

    In summary +/- matters for Landeskog/RNH but not for Seguin/Kessel

    Any sane person would take Seguin over Kessel. Hamilton is just gravy. Burke will make up the difference with one of his free empty wallets though.

    Aw, Burke just went out and got Jake Gardiner for a bag of pucks.

    Seguin is +27 on a team with goal differential of +59
    Kessel is -8 on a team with a goal differential of -22.

    Seguin’s a nice player but he’s got a lot to work with…Kessel has Tyler Bozak.

  172. Traktor says:

    DSF:Seguin’s a nice player but he’s got a lot to work with…Kessel has Tyler Bozak.

    Yeah, I guess Tim Connally wasn’t the answer after all.

    Who knew?

  173. Iztok Turk says:

    DSF: Well young fella I (I assume you are young based on your posts) let’s have a look.

    You already know the boxcars so I won’t bore you with that but you should pay attention to Landeskog’s +19. That he is able to accomplish that on a team with a goal differential of -2 is notable.

    Landeskog plays the toughest opposition among Colorado forwards.
    Hopkins is 4th amongst Oiler forwards.
    Conclusion: Hopkins is being sheltered.

    Landeskog starts in the offensive zone 54.3% of the time.
    Hopkins starts in the offensive zone 61.8% of the time.
    Conclusion: Hopkins is being sheltered

    Landeskog has scored 16G 19A 36P at 5V5
    Hopkins has scored 15G 12A 27P at 5V5
    Conclusion: Landeskog is a much better even strength player.

    Landeskog has scored only 11PTS on the PP.
    Hopkins has scored 22PTS on the PP.
    Conclusion: Hopkins excels at special teams.
    (Note: Landeskog actually has scored 6PP goals while Hopkins has only scored 3)

    Landeskog averages 1:21 SHTOI/G
    Hopkins averages 0:02 SHTOI/G
    Conclusion: Landeskog is relied upon in all facets of the game.

    Hopkins is an exceptional talent IMO but, for the most part is a PP specialist.

    I am sure, as he matures, he will improve his performance in other areas but anyone can see Landeskog is already a complete player.

    If voters for the Calder vote entirely based on PPG, then Hopkins will likely win but, if they vote based on who had the best overall season, Landeskog will win.

    Are you trying to say that some of Landeskog’s stats are better than Ryan’s, while others, arguably more impressive ones, like PPG, are not? Is that even possible?

  174. hockeyguy10 says:

    DSF: SOG for the Corsi freaks:

    Landeskog – 254
    Hopkins – 121

    Let’s hope Landeskog doesn’t work on his shot this summer.

    So Landeskog has 16 ES goals in 77 games and RNH has 15 ES goals in 56 games.Sounds like your angel Gabriel does need work on his shot.

  175. DSF says:

    Iztok Turk: Are you trying to say that some of Landeskog’s stats are better than Ryan’s, while others, arguably more impressive ones, like PPG, are not? Is that even possible?

    PPG is the only stat Hopkins leads in.

    To bend a metaphor since a couple of other posters are intent on having a Kessel vs Seguin debate…

    Kessel is currently at 1.01 PPG
    Seguin is currently at 0.82 PPG.

    Is that the end of the story or should we consider other factors?

  176. DSF says:

    hockeyguy10: So Landeskog has 16 ES goals in 77 games and RNH has 15 ES goals in 56 games.Sounds like your angel Gabriel does need work on his shot.

    Yes he does.

    God help us all if he is successful.

  177. stevezie says:

    Kessel for two firsts is a great deal, unless one of those firsts turns out to be a top 2. Good idea, wrong year. It’s at least a debate now, but I’d bet good rum that Hamilton ends it.

  178. bookje says:

    DSF – Well Old Fella (I presume you are old because you sound like an old grump who hates life).

    You are correct that Landskog has a lot of good numbers, however, by intentionally ignoring the ‘per game’ thing you really make yourself look like a troll (when you don’t need to because your argument actually has merit).

    Let’s put it this way, if you ignore the number of games that a player has played in, you ignore THE most important factor. By your way of arguing, Ladislav Smid is a better offensive NHL player than RNH because Smid has about 10 more NHL Points. The fact that it took Smid some 300 or so more games to get there actually seems important.

    So, when you compare 5v5 numbers, you can’t just give raw goals and raw points, you need to look at the games or minutes played.

    If Hopkins has a strong finish, he could well win the Calder. Let’s face it, good arguments could be made for both players.

  179. DSF says:

    stevezie:
    Kessel for two firsts is a great deal, unless one of those firsts turns out to be a top 2. Good idea, wrong year. It’s at least a debate now, but I’d bet good rum that Hamilton ends it.

    I expect you’re right but Burke doesn’t view the world that way.

    That he was able to pry Gardiner (whom he drafted) out of Anaheim and got Lupul as a throw in, for Beauchemin likely helps him sleep at night.

    Gardiner appears to be the real deal and Lupul was having a fantastic season before he was hurt.

    Oiler fans tend to think in a static fashion when it comes to the draft but, in reality, acquiring players is much more fluid.

    There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

  180. Lowetide says:

    The problem for Burke is that the #1C he needs so badly isn’t available via free agency this summer. Imagine he’ll trade up or down at the draft but also be aggressive in trade. Certainly Carlyle will want more Coke machines.

  181. DSF says:

    bookje:
    DSF – Well Old Fella (I presume you are old because you sound like an old grump who hates life).

    You are correct that Landskog has a lot of good numbers, however, by intentionally ignoring the‘per game’ thing you really make yourself look like a troll (when you don’t need to because your argument actually has merit).

    Let’s put it this way, if you ignore the number of games that a player has played in, you ignore THE most important factor.By your way of arguing, Ladislav Smid is a better offensive NHL player than RNH because Smid has about 10 more NHL Points.The fact that it took Smid some 300 or so more games to get there actually seems important.

    So, when you compare 5v5 numbers, you can’t just give raw goals and raw points, you need to look at the games or minutes played.

    If Hopkins has a strong finish, he could well win the Calder.Let’s face it, good arguments could be made for both players.

    C’mon now Bookje, your Smid/RNH argument is really weak.

    I’m not ignoring Hopkins or his scoring feats but I am shocked that anyone here thinks that is all there is to the game.

    What would be your expectations of Hopkins totals if he was facing the toughs, was not getting more than 60% O-Zone starts and spent almost a minute and a half per game killing penalties?

    I’d wager he would be a distant third in scoring behind Landeskog and Henrique.

    I think Renney is definitely using Hopkins correctly under the circumstances but both Landeskog and Henrique are being called on to perform at a much higher level and are succeeding.

    Hopkins is a having a great season and has almost single handily transformed a dreadful PP into one of the best but, as you can see from the latest standings, that means squat.

    The Oilers are dreadful 5V5 and virtually no one has noticed the huge elephant in the room.

    The Oilers are 29th in shots per game while ranking 14th in goals per game.

    Expect a dramatic market correction.

  182. DSF says:

    Lowetide:
    The problem for Burke is that the #1C he needs so badly isn’t available via free agency this summer. Imagine he’ll trade up or down at the draft but also be aggressive in trade. Certainly Carlyle will want more Coke machines.

    I expect Burke will walk away from the draft with Grigorenko.

    The results, of course, remain to be seen.

  183. Lowetide says:

    DSF: I expect Burke will walk away from the draft with Grigorenko.

    The results, of course, remain to be seen.

    Yeah, I’d agree with that.

  184. ASkoreyko says:

    DSF: Well young fella I (I assume you are young based on your posts) let’s have a look.

    You already know the boxcars so I won’t bore you with that but you should pay attention to Landeskog’s +19. That he is able to accomplish that on a team with a goal differential of -2 is notable.

    Landeskog plays the toughest opposition among Colorado forwards.
    Hopkins is 4th amongst Oiler forwards.
    Conclusion: Hopkins is being sheltered.

    Landeskog starts in the offensive zone 54.3% of the time.
    Hopkins starts in the offensive zone 61.8% of the time.
    Conclusion: Hopkins is being sheltered

    Landeskog has scored 16G 19A 36P at 5V5
    Hopkins has scored 15G 12A 27P at 5V5
    Conclusion: Landeskog is a much better even strength player.

    Landeskog has scored only 11PTS on the PP.
    Hopkins has scored 22PTS on the PP.
    Conclusion: Hopkins excels at special teams.
    (Note: Landeskog actually has scored 6PP goals while Hopkins has only scored 3)

    Landeskog averages 1:21 SHTOI/G
    Hopkins averages 0:02 SHTOI/G
    Conclusion: Landeskog is relied upon in all facets of the game.

    Hopkins is an exceptional talent IMO but, for the most part is a PP specialist.

    I am sure, as he matures, he will improve his performance in other areas but anyone can see Landeskog is already a complete player.

    If voters for the Calder vote entirely based on PPG, then Hopkins will likely win but, if they vote based on who had the best overall season, Landeskog will win.

    I would just like to point out that you have chosen to use the raw totals for their 5v5 production instead of the oft used (and more accurate P/60). A guy that uses BTN as much as you already knows this.

    If you decided to use those numbers you would see Gabriel = 1.70 RNH=1.93 at evens. But that wouldn’t fit your narrative. In fact to obtain the raw totals you would of had to visit a different site, which seems like unnecessary extra work unless you knew the numbers from BTN would not show what you wanted.

    I only bring this up because whenever someone tries to compare Hall to Seguin you decide to drop the P/60 as a more accurate way to tell the story.

    Just try to be consistent DSF.

  185. DSF says:

    ASkoreyko: I would just like to point out that you have chosen to use the raw totals for their 5v5 production instead of the oft used (and more accurate P/60). A guy that uses BTN as much as you already knows this.

    If you decided to use those numbers you would see Gabriel = 1.70 RNH=1.93 at evens. But that wouldn’t fit your narrative. In fact to obtain the raw totals you would of had to visit a different site, which seems like unnecessary extra work unless you knew the numbers from BTN would not show what you wanted.

    I only bring this up because whenever someone tries to compare Hall to Seguin you decide to drop the P/60 as a more accurate way to tell the story.

    Just try to be consistent DSF.

    Sure Hopkins has a better P/60 5V5, I’m not ignoring it but you also can’t use those numbers out of context.

    I concede that Hopkins is a better point producer. No argument from me.

    But Hopkins is also facing weaker opposition, is getting a huge push in zone starts and doesn’t kill penalties.

    Since you would like to see more /60 stats:

    GFON/60
    Hopkins – 2.93
    Landeskog – 2.71

    GAON/60
    Hopkins – 2.70
    Landeskog – 1.91

    GAGFON/60 DIFF
    Hopkins – +0.23
    Landeskog – + 0.80

    In other words, Hopkins is barely keeping his head above water 5V5 while getting easy competition and huge OZ Starts, while Landeskog is killing the opposition while facing the toughs and being third on his team in OZ starts.

  186. oilersfan says:

    Young fella? If I were a young fella would I know who Tony Tanti is?

    Just because I didn’t watch the NHL the last time the Leafs won a cup doesn’t make me young.

    I actually cheered for the Canucks in the early 80′s because I loved the first Brodeur goalie and all those goofball players. Harold Snepsts should have been in a movie and Darcy Rota, Thomas Gradin and Tiger Williams were all favourites of mine until 1986 when the hated flames upset the Oilers and the locals have been my team ever since.

    One would think being so old DSF you would have learned a little more grace, but I have a feeling you have alienated everybody you have ever met so now are working on pissing off everybody else on the planet via the internet. You are probably divorced and your kids hate you so why not piss off the strangers in Edmonton you’ll never meet? Seems like a useful way to spend a day.

    When you’re done trolling Wild fans, Habs fans and Leafs fans and bragging about your 15 minutes of good times cheering for a good Canucks team surely in the second half of its lifespan, we await eagerly your omniscience as we are all so stupid we have no idea what to think or do.

    Whenever I am thinking of an issue in life or hockey, I say, what would DSF do? Surely he is the way? I mean cantankerous old pricks are so rare where else could we go for wisdom?

    After you yell at the neighbours greatgrandkids for stepping on your lawn please tell us who the Oilers should pick in this year’s draft.

    I am sure next year and the year after you will change your tune to whoever is best at the time and say that’s who you picked then.

  187. oilersfan says:

    I was wondering if someone could double check the stats for me. Does Colorado have an opportunity to get power plays or only Edmonton?

    And do power play goals still count or did the NHL stop using those along with assists?

  188. rickithebear says:

    DSF: PPG rate maters in the calder. players with 60 game seasons are considered.

    RNH ppg rate is the 7th best start by an18 year old in the modern era.
    7th, yes sir there have only been 6 better.
    Now if you include 18 & 19 year olds. As an 18 year ld he has the 16th best ppg start for 19 year olds right there with Sakic, Kane

    19 year old Landeskog ranks 47 right there with #46 18 year old Sam Gagner, 19 year old Jerome Iginla.

    While ladeskog shows an even game. watching RNH drive boll into the boards was a beauty,

  189. spoiler says:

    And tonight on Jerry Springer:

    Fanboyz and the Haterz Who Love to Bait Them!!!

  190. DSF says:

    oilersfan:
    I was wondering if someone could double check the stats for me. Does Colorado have an opportunity to get power plays or only Edmonton?

    And do power play goals still count or did the NHL stop using those along with assists?

    The Oilers have had 131 PP opportunities. (14th)

    The Avalanche have had 107 PP opportunities. (29th)

    The Oilers have the third best PP while the Avalanche have the 27th.

    Since, increasingly, the number of PP opportunities has been plummeting, relying on a PP for success may not be a workable strategy going forward.

    In case you’re wondering, the Oilers are 22nd in 5V5 differential while the Avalanche are 17th.

    You’re welcome.

  191. striatic says:

    ALRIGHT THEN

    *ahem*

    so long as we are on the subject of i told you so, i’ve alway maintained that on a Good Team, Smid is an excellent 2nd pairing D man and that the Oilers should hang on to him.

    i still think i’m right. on a Good Team, Smid plays 2nd pairing minutes and between your top two pairings you have a fortress in your own end.

    that Smid and Petry are progressing and are increasingly able to take on first pairing responsibilities is great, but on a Good Team they wouldn’t have to.

    the Oilers are not a Good Team.

  192. oilersfan says:

    Is there an ignore function on this site? If so I can’t find it but sure would enjoy it

  193. striatic says:

    maybe better to put it this way..

    if Petry and Smid are Edler and Salo, who are the Oilers’ Hamhuis and Bieksa?

  194. DSF says:

    striatic:
    maybe better to put it this way..

    if Petry and Smid are Edler and Salo, who are the Oilers’ Hamhuis and Bieksa?

    The Oilers need 2 top pairing defensemen to be competitive (unless Whitney journeys to Lourdes)

  195. spoiler says:

    oilersfan:
    Is there an ignore function on this site? If so I can’t find it but sure would enjoy it

    Oh dear. How about self-control?

    *hits enter and orders another beer*

  196. gogliano says:

    Proj. @ .500 | GP | Points | Home | Away

    Edm 77 | 76 | 71 | 3 | 3
    Mtl 77 | 76 | 71 | 3 | 3
    Min 79 | 75 | 72 | 5 | 2
    NYI 80 | 75 | 73 | 4 | 3

    Anyone think Col would trade Landeskog for RNH straight up? What would we need to throw in?

  197. DSF says:

    gogliano:

    Anyone think Col would trade Landeskog for RNH straight up?What would we need to throw in?

    Colorado is already pretty much fixed at centre with O’Reilly, Statsny and Duchene.

    They might look at an Eberle for Landeskog swap though. :)

  198. Bos8 says:

    oilersfan: Is there an ignore function on this site? If so I can’t find it but sure would enjoy it

    Why would anyone need an ignore function?

    Simply ignore those ankle biter agendas.

    The cackleberry quince.

  199. Bos8 says:

    striatic: the Oilers are not a Good Team.

    Somehow Schultz disappeared.

    Whitney is questionable now. If he progresses over the summer , things aren’t too shabby.

    The OIlers are a hell of a lot closer to a good team now than they were last fall.

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