OKC’S BLUE EXCEED EXPECTATIONS

As the AHL season winds down it’s interesting to see how many of the AHL kids have met expectations. Today, we’ll look at the defensemen; almost to a man the blueliners have gone beyond expectations this season. How many of them will have NHL careers?

Back in late September I posted the OKC G & D reasonable expectations. With the season almost done, it’s interesting to see how these men performed during a strong OKC season:

  1. Jeff Petry RE: Petry should play most of the season in the NHL (I suggested 50 NHL games in the Oiler RE series) but the club has mentioned several times that the young college grad might need some fine tuning. I can’t see it, especially against the backdrop of the other young blue, but it’s reasonable to assume Petry spends some time in the minors. UPDATE: Petry covered the 50 NHL game bet and kept on rolling. Among the things we’ll talk about all summer, Petry’s emergence as a solid NHL defenseman will rank up there with RNH’s rookie year and Eberle’s outstanding season.
  2. Taylor Chorney RE: Chorney’s offense didn’t come with him to the pro level, something we see often in defensemen (they don’t get enough PP time and chances are they aren’t that special). With the new rules post CBA, it was felt that Chorney’s ability to push the puck up would give him high value. As it turns out, his size and strength have been the real story since turning pro, but he has improved at the AHL level and you never know. Could be lost to waivers, but if he plays in OKC then we might expect another step forward for Chorney. UPDATE: All came true. He was lost to waivers and spent some time in St. Louis and Edmonton of the NHL. In OKC, Chorney had a fine year (45, 6-16-22 +13) and appears to have taken over some of the PP load from aging Bryan Helmer.
  3. Corey Potter RE: I don’t know whether he makes the team out of TC but do believe that the Oilers will see fit to play him sometime this season. Potter looks to have enough foot speed and size to be handle things (we don’t really know yet) and he certainly has the opportunity. RE for him in the AHL would be to slot into a role as a regular who can handle PP and PK duties. He’s a good AHL player, should emerge as a leader in this group. UPDATE: Potter won an NHL job and played so well early the Oilers rewarded him with a new contract. Potter has not played as well since recovering from injury mid-season but I think he played well enough to be in the mix for an NHL job again next season.
  4. Taylor Fedun RE: He’s turned heads this training camp, but 10 days doesn’t make a career. I think Fedun’s offense is unlikely to be a calling card, but his NHLE’s were solid if a little skewed by powerplay goals. Hey, he might be something but we need to see a bunch of AHL at-bats before passing judgement. Reasonable? Playing a regular shift and surviving. Remember, the transition from college to pro has proven to be a difficult item for previous Oiler prospects. UPDATE: Lost his season to an icing injury. Damn shame.
  5. Colten Teubert RE: He impressed his AHL coach after coming over from LAK’s organization and there’s certainly an opportunity for him. Suffered a concussion and never did compete for a job this fall, but will get a chance this season. I think reasonable would be a full AHL season with a plus minus a little above average compared to the other Dmen. UPDATE: Showed himself capable in the AHL and a 20 game audition in the NHL exposed him as a guy who’ll need refinement. I’m not sure the Oilers have any plans to use him as a big league option next season, so there’s still time to evaluate. I’d suggest the organization might feel he’ll eventually replace Sutton.
  6. Bryan Helmer RE: The top 5 players mentioned above Helmer are all defensemen I’ve projected to play (at least a little) in the NHL this season. Helmer begins the AHL only group, and despite being long in the tooth should impact the PP and play a prominent role at evens. Helmer should help in the development of these Oiler prospects and contribute at both ends of the ice. UPDATE: AHL record holder for career points by a defenseman, he turns 40 in July and might have some track left. From conversations I’ve had with Jim Byers it sounds like Helmer’s PP time has been down some this season, so that aspect of his game may be fading.
  7. Alex Plante RE: Big, strong and immobile defensemen are readily available. Plante’s time as an Oiler prospect isn’t over but lordy it’s going to take a miracle for him to climb back over the kids who have passed him since Plante turned pro. UPDATE: Had a terrific season, including an appearance in the AHL All-Star game. 33, 1-11-12 +13 during a season that included an NHL callup and a fairly long period off for injury, I’d suggest that the “miracle” implied in the RE may have happened. I don’t know that he’ll be an Oiler in the fall, and I do think his footspeed is a major negative, but if the Oilers offload Peckham over the summer Plante might get a chance.
  8. Johan Motin RE: There is no earthly way to know how he’ll exit the system, only that it’s as sure as breathing. Johan Motin has stepped into the developmental elevator shaft and could be back in Europe soon. Too bad, he seemed to have a future not so long ago. UPDATE: As expected, Motin is no longer in the organization. He was lost in the flood, the first of many I’m sure because there’s an ocean on the way.
  9. Ryan Lowery RE: He has signed an AHL contract which means he may or may not play in OKC this season. A reasonable expectation would be 40+ games in the AHL for the Colorado College grad. UPDATE: He ended up at 26 games before heading to Stockton. Oilers may bring him back next season but I don’t think they’ll make him a member of their 50-man list.
  10. Kirill Tulupov: Complete wildcard, he could be in OKC opening night or pumping gas at the Chevron down the street. Big, strong and a half bubble off plumb. UPDATE: Tulupov is such an interesting player. Based on performance I think the Oilers may let him go, but he’s 6.04, 230 and hits like the side of a building. Plus he’s a little nuts. I wouldn’t bet against him despite all the kids who are on the way.

 

That’s such a good season for an NHL team’s farm club. Jeff Petry has emerged as an NHL defender with a wide range of skills. I think it’s important to give some of the credit to the AHL coaching staff, Petry looks confident and as composed as can be in the NHL. Impressive. The other prospects are on track and you could argue that Plante and Chorney have improved their lot based on this season.

A lot of good things this season.

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59 Responses to "OKC’S BLUE EXCEED EXPECTATIONS"

  1. nelson88 says:

    Interested to see what they do next year with a tonne of prospects on the way. Too many young prospects on an AHL team has proven to be a fail in the standings but I wouldn’t mind seeing them run with Chorney and one other older vet (Plante?) who have proven they can be high end AHL players. Fill the rest out with Teubert, Fedun, Marincin, Davidson, Blaine and Bigos.

    While the D would be young there are some high end prospects among that latter list and older college guys who can take on more then your average rookie (see Gilbert and Petry). I think they would be ok.

  2. Lowetide says:

    I think the Oilers will:

    1. draft Ryan Murray.
    2. send Klefbom back.
    3. sign all of Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat and Musil, but keep Gernat and Musil in junior for another year.
    4. send Bigos back to NCAA for his final year.

    The wildcards are Blain and Davidson.

  3. bookje says:

    Yes a lot of good things this season, fire everybody!

  4. Bos8 says:

    I find it funny that people do wholesale lots of D onto teams. Who the hell do the kids learn from. Oh good, leave Chorney and Plante, two failed pros as mentors People talk about the Petry rise, He didn’t start swooping till he got on with Smid. I think it would be a mistake to send Klefa back unless he’s totally bombs training camp. Schultz would be ideal as a pairing with him. Now comes the crunch of evaluating and slotting kids so as to give them the best situation to succed. The Kids need pro games under their belt and need to be spaced out over the years.

    On another note – Pitlick and MPS are playing on a line In OKC, could really yield dividends down the road if management don’t lose their heads and kick Magnus to the curb.

    Still don’t like the Smyth signing as regarding blocking MPS. Three years at 12 mil could buy a hell of a lot more than Smythe who’s done, just as the kids get into their milk. Hell, he looks done now, and they’re negotiating for two more years. Hell, they need some toughness and size, dammit.

  5. bookje says:

    Bos8,

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  6. speeds says:

    I’m curious how, and if, the Oilers will keep Peckham this summer. Tough to see where the roster spot would be:

    5, 6, 15, 25, 44, 58 look to have 6 of the spots, even if you carry 8D, would one new guy plus Peckham see as much improvement as EDM would want? And that ignores the possibility that EDM drafts a D and keeps him next year, which I guess might be unlikely but it’s early to say it definitely won’t happen.

    Uh, especially since we haven’t even got to the draft yet…

  7. "Steve Smith" says:

    speeds,

    Not least since they may still qualify Barker. Wasn’t it fairly recently that he was their third best defenceman? And then they traded away one of the two above him.

  8. spoiler says:

    “One minute to go in the hockey game,” could scarcely be heard over the cheers of the crowd and the sounds of the couch rocking back and forth. Deep pants echoed the crowd’s exuberance.

    “Unh, unh, unnnh…”

    “Say my name baby, say my name. C’mon baby, say my name”

    “Unh, unh, unh, unh, UNNNNNH. Oh harder, please unh unh please, unh unh HARDER!”

    The couch rocked, louder, faster. “Sure baby, sure baby, just say my name.”. Breaths coming in ragged gasps now. Explosion inevitable, unavoidable. “Just say my name.”

    “Oh god, yes, right there, right there, UNH UUNH, oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah Oh OH OOOHHH, YES, YES, YES YES OH YESSSSS OHH SPOIIIIIII—LER!” And the world stopped, all matter, energy and muscle everywhere contracting impossibly into the tiniest mote that held held held for an atom-splitting moment and then exploded into a universe-birthing incandesence. The final horn goes off. spOilers win.

    …And now back to your regularly scheduled programming, lol.

  9. bookje says:

    spoiler:
    “One minute to go in the hockey game,” could scarcely be heard over the cheers of the crowd and the sounds of the couch rocking back and forth.Deep pants echoed the crowd’s exuberance.

    “Unh, unh, unnnh…”

    “Say my name baby, say my name.C’mon baby, say my name”

    “Unh, unh, unh, unh, UNNNNNH. Oh harder, please unh unh please, unh unh HARDER!”

    The couch rocked, louder, faster. “Sure baby, sure baby, just say my name.”. Breaths coming in ragged gasps now.Explosion inevitable, unavoidable.“Just say my name.”

    “Oh god, yes, right there, right there, UNH UUNH, oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah Oh OH OOOHHH, YES, YES, YES YES OH YESSSSS OHH SPOIIIIIII—LER!” And the world stopped, all matter, energy and muscle everywhere contracting impossibly into the tiniest mote that held held held for an atom-splitting moment and then exploded into a universe-birthing incandesence.The final horn goes off.spOilers win.

    …And now back to your regularly scheduled programming, lol.

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  10. bookje says:

    I heard that we are facing some kind of medicine shortage, given the comments today, I am guess that they are mostly anti-psychotics and other such drugs that are in short supply.

  11. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler:
    “One minute to go in the hockey game,” could scarcely be heard over the cheers of the crowd and the sounds of the couch rocking back and forth.Deep pants echoed the crowd’s exuberance.

    I thought I was the only one who had to wear deep pants.

  12. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: I thought I was the only one who had to wear deep pants.

    Try wearing ones that echo.

  13. spoiler says:

    Book¡e

    When you live down here, beating Calgary makes up for a lot of suckage.

    Or… is it the other way around?

  14. cabbiesmacker says:

    We’ll know what the suns all about when the lights go out. Or in this case, come on.

  15. Marc says:

    ISS has Murray as a ‘Riser’ this month:

    Ryan Murray, D, Everett Silvertips

    Murray has been a model of consistency for the Everett Silvertips since returning to the lineup. The maturity and composure he displayed earlier this season continued to shine. His defensive hockey sense separates him from most in this draft, and is considered the draft’s most complete defenseman. He’s generally matched up against the most teams’ top line, logging upwards of 25 minutes per game. Has more offensive upside than given credit for and bright future ahead of him.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13931/iss_top30_risers_and_fallers_march2012/

    I think he’s an Oiler unless they win the lottery and get the first overall pick.

  16. cabbiesmacker says:

    spoiler:
    “One minute to go in the hockey game,” could scarcely be heard over the cheers of the crowd and the sounds of the couch rocking back and forth.Deep pants echoed the crowd’s exuberance.

    So you had a nice night with Halle then Billy Bob?

  17. cabbiesmacker says:

    “Steve Smith”: I thought I was the only one who had to wear deep pants.

    Sorry but your Lederhosen don’t count

  18. spoiler says:

    cabbiesmacker: So you had a nice night with Halle then Billy Bob?

    Strangely, Pierre Maguire was nowhere to be found.

  19. "Steve Smith" says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Sorry, but I’m a vegetarian.

    (Though the girlfriend does own a dirndl.)

  20. cabbiesmacker says:

    Marc:
    ISS has Murray as a ‘Riser’ this month:

    Ryan Murray, D, Everett Silvertips

    Murray has been a model of consistency for the Everett Silvertips since returning to the lineup. The maturity and composure he displayed earlier this season continued to shine. His defensive hockey sense separates him from most in this draft, and is considered the draft’s most complete defenseman. He’s generally matched up against the most teams’ top line, logging upwards of 25 minutes per game. Has more offensive upside than given credit for and bright future ahead of him.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13931/iss_top30_risers_and_fallers_march2012/
    I think he’s an Oiler unless they win the lottery and get the first overall pick.

    Cool. Maybe he’ll prop us offensively while backstopping the Horcoff, Smyth, Jones PP option. Or the Horcoff – Smyth / Jones 4 on 4.

    We’ve got way too many scoring options right now and they’re much easier to find anyways.

  21. cabbiesmacker says:

    "Steve Smith":
    cabbiesmacker,

    Sorry, but I’m a vegetarian.

    (Though the girlfriend does own a dirndl.)

    veg or vag ???

    I’ve long suspected you bear a striking resemblance to Chevy Chase

  22. knighttown says:

    Coincidentally, I was planning on posting today about how, in this 29th place season, there are way more individual successes than I would have expected. If you slipped into a coma on October 1st and I told you the following things you’d probably think the Oilers made a run at the playoffs:

    1. Jordan Eberle would stay healthy and increase his P/G from 0.62 to 1.03.
    2. We’d have the number 2 Power Play in the NHL jumping from 3rd last.
    3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is a legitamate Calder Candidate whose P/G (0.88) is as good as any 18 or 19 year old rookie in the NHL since Geno Malkin scored at 1.05/game in 2006.
    4. Taylor Hall would play more games than last year, approach 30 goals and increase his points per game from 0.65 to 0.87.
    5. Sam Gagner would score 8 points in one night.
    6. Ales Hemsky would play around 70 games.
    7. Ladislav Smid and Jeff Petry would develop into a legitamate (not elite) top pairing.
    8. Ryan Whitney would play over 50 games.
    9. Ryan Smyth would score over 20 goals and 50 points.
    10. Shawn Horcoff would score 15 goals and 40 points while playing top competition.
    11. Ryan Jones would come pretty close to his 18 goals from last year.
    12. Eric Belanger would be one of the Top faceoff men in the NHL and play nearly 80 games.
    13. Ben Eager would be close to 10 goals and 100 PIMs.
    14. Theo Peckham and Andy Sutton would combine for +3 and 150 PIMS.
    15. We’d cut nearly a half a goal against per game (3.17 to 2.89).
    16. Our PK would jump from 29th to 19th.

    Why is this team 29th again?

  23. kev says:

    re: Motin
    Just read the Sept 2011 post over at Swedish Oil, was quite interesting;

    http://swedishoil.dohfos.eu/post/10520268564/on-johan-motin

    Too bad

  24. speeds says:

    Marc,

    If I had to guess, based on the zero inside info I have, Murray sounds like a guy they would like. Seems to have the leadership they value, captain in the WHL during his draft year.

  25. spoiler says:

    knighttown:
    Coincidentally, I was planning on posting today about how, in this 29th place season, there are way more individual successes than I would have expected.If you slipped into a coma on October 1st and I told you the following things you’d probably think the Oilers made a run at the playoffs:

    1. Jordan Eberle would stay healthy and increase his P/G from 0.62 to 1.03.
    2. We’d have the number 2 Power Play in the NHL jumping from 3rd last.
    3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is a legitamate Calder Candidate whose P/G (0.88) is as good as any 18 or 19 year old rookie in the NHL since Geno Malkin scored at 1.05/game in 2006.
    4. Taylor Hall would play more games than last year, approach 30 goals and increase his points per game from 0.65 to 0.87.
    5. Sam Gagner would score 8 points in one night.
    6. Ales Hemsky would play around 70 games.
    7. Ladislav Smid and Jeff Petry would develop into a legitamate (not elite) top pairing.
    8. Ryan Whitney would play over 50 games.
    9. Ryan Smyth would score over 20 goals and 50 points.
    10. Shawn Horcoff would score 15 goals and 40 points while playing top competition.
    11. Ryan Jones would come pretty close to his 18 goals from last year.
    12. Eric Belanger would be one of the Top faceoff men in the NHL and play nearly 80 games.
    13. Ben Eager would be close to 10 goals and 100 PIMs.
    14. Theo Peckham and Andy Sutton would combine for +3 and 150 PIMS.
    15. We’d cut nearly a half a goal against per game (3.17 to 2.89).
    16. Our PK would jump from 29th to 19th.

    Why is this team 29th again?

    Besides the roster issues, in general:

    Because they haven’t yet figured out how to make the other team lose on a consistent basis. Because they still occasionally panic when things go awry. Because they’re still too young to win PvP. Because they don’t yet have the mental discipline eliminate the boneheaded mistakes.

    Probably a few others too. But eventually they’ll be able to score enough to make up for mistakes, they’ll be able to impose their will on games, they’ll get more breaks from the refs, other teams will panic…

  26. cabbiesmacker says:

    knighttown:

    Why is this team 29th again?

    Because the gap between where we were and playoff contender was a lot bigger than most suspected? Some positive signs for sure especially if Whitney can return to a semblance of himself pre-injury. IMO that would be the biggest boost this team could get next year, along with Hemsky stepping it up, without having to give up to get.

    Obviously the kids are the main component of an improved PP but I’d like to know how much of a role coaching played as well. If it’s Kreuger the man needs to be kept around.

    Obviously it would be foolish to count on Horcoff and Smyth for anything more than short term so I hope we see some depth additions at F that can contribute to the now.

  27. Marc says:

    speeds,

    He sounds a lot like Kevin Lowe to be honest. Now given that they are building the team around a Gretzky-like smallish center with incredible on-ice vision, a Kurri like sniper and a guy who plays like he’s a love child of Anderson and Messier, I would not bet against them picking a Lowe-like D to hold all together on the back end.

    Not quite sure where the Hall of Fame goalie comes in though…

  28. hunter1909 says:

    Horcoff and Smyth are 4th liners on a championship team.

    Come on, they’re both pretty fair to good players on any given night, but don’t possess the physicality for true 3rd liners, and aren’t up to the top six(maybe Smyth with injuries) anymore.

    Give the third line something like Mike Peca, Ray Whitney, and an old version of Brendan Shanahan, and we’re talking.

    ps: I never believed Peca when he was praising MacT. He was taking the mick imo, as they say.

  29. hunter1909 says:

    Marc:
    ISS has Murray as a ‘Riser’ this month:

    Ryan Murray, D, Everett Silvertips

    Murray has been a model of consistency for the Everett Silvertips since returning to the lineup. The maturity and composure he displayed earlier this season continued to shine. His defensive hockey sense separates him from most in this draft, and is considered the draft’s most complete defenseman. He’s generally matched up against the most teams’ top line, logging upwards of 25 minutes per game. Has more offensive upside than given credit for and bright future ahead of him.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13931/iss_top30_risers_and_fallers_march2012/

    I think he’s an Oiler unless they win the lottery and get the first overall pick.

    This is hunter1909′s choice for this draft, sans Yakupov, who no doubt along with Hall is going to be injured 20+ games per season

    Get this dude, plus a real NHL veteran and proven(ffs!) defenceman to add to the current putridity, then we can talk, Steve.

    RE HALL’S INJURY: I normally get fed up with the team when Hall’s injured, but RNH shone like a lil jewel last night. Jeeeeeez these kids need to eat their Wheaties!

  30. Bruce McCurdy says:

    This team could definitely use a third-liner like Brendan Shanahan.

  31. stevezie says:

    hunter1909,

    This is the first comment on this site that has inspired me to say, “You can’t really believe that, can you?” Are you mocking someone and I’m missing it? You think Smyth isn’t good enough to beat out Drew Miller or Justin Abdelkader? Based on what? You know he’s currently outscoring Jiri Hudler, the guy polaying on Detroit’s FIRST line, right? You cannot be serious, you just can’t be. As far as Horcoff, I see no reason to think Darren Helm is a much better third line center than he is, but that is less of a slam dunk. Let’s try another cup contender. You really don’t think the Bruins would happier with Smyth on the second line, Marchand on the third and Pouliot in the press box? You are insane if you don’t think that, absolutely insane. As far as Horcoff goes- if Chris Kelly is a dramatic improvement over him, I can’t tell you why, but you’ve got the grounds for a pretty good argument here, I’ll grant that.
    Of course, you only had them playing on the fourth line because we had a third made up of a hall-of-famer, a borderline hall-of-famer, and an all-star/gold medal/selke winner, with Ray Whitney providing the physicality Horcov isn’t capable of. I guess I can’t argue with that.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Kypreos on SN saying ST told him they may trade the pick for a defenseman. I’m actually fine with that, but I don’t really believe it.

  33. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    I’d believe it if there were an obvious candidate, but who? We need a top defenceman good enough to be worth a top 2 pick but not so young that moving him for a pick would be a horizontal move for the team, and we need a team who would want to move such a player. Who matches this? Weber is obvious, but would he sign here long term? Giordano fits if the flames decide to rebuild, but I don’t think he’s quite that good.

    Of course, there’s always the chance that some team with a good young D would prefer a good young forward. I wonder how attached to Dougie Hamilton Boston is? It’s all guessing.

  34. Lowetide says:

    I think there are teams with two young defensemen and who might be willing to offload one of them. LAK, PHX are examples. My worry is that it’s Mike Green.

  35. "Steve Smith" says:

    stevezie:
    hunter1909,

    This is the first comment on this site that has inspired me to say, “You can’t really believe that, can you?”

    You can’t really believe that, can you?

  36. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    I think there are teams with two young defensemen and who might be willing to offload one of them. LAK, PHX are examples. My worry is that it’s Mike Green.

    I suspect it’s Mike Green too. Have since the trade deadline.

    Not sure how I feel about that. He’s RFA this summer IIRC and it’s hard to say what kind of contract he’d want after his last two seasons.

    What’s your trepidation LT? Health?

  37. Marc says:

    Lowetide:
    Kypreos on SN saying ST told him they may trade the pick for a defenseman. I’m actually fine with that, but I don’t really believe it.

    I was thinking about that the other day and came to the same conclusion. Such trades are just too risky for both parties to happen in practice.

    Elite players are found at the top end of the draft so the team trading the pick will want a player that is very good in return to compensate them for passing on a potentially elite player. The team trading the player will know that even very high picks don’t work out sometimes, so will only want to give up a player with a lower ceiling to compensate them for the risk of taking a pick.

    So Tambellini may talk to the Rangers or Phoenix about trading the pick, but he’s probably thinking no less that Del Zotto or McDonagh, or OEL or Yandle will be enough, whereas they’re probably thinking no more than Erixon or Rundblad.

  38. Lowetide says:

    spOILer: Injury, cost–both trade and dollars–and I’m not certain he’s a good enough actual defenseman. No quarrel with him as an offensive defender when healthy. But the Oilers need a more complete player imo.

  39. stevezie says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    It gets thrown around a lot on here, I’ve been saving my rendition for a special occasion.

  40. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    I hope Green visits Lourdes and sticks with WSH. I think he was the key to the whole operation there, and it’s in everyone’s best interest to somehow get the funnest team in hockey back.

    I still can’t believe all that crap about the Caps downfall being no defence. They had a great team that got beat by a hot goalie that almost carried his team to the cup final- these things happen. They should have changed nothing and given it another shot.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    stevezie:
    hunter1909,

    This is the first comment on this site that has inspired me to say, “You can’t really believe that, can you?” Are you mocking someone and I’m missing it? You think Smyth isn’t good enough to beat out Drew Miller or Justin Abdelkader? Based on what? You know he’s currently outscoring Jiri Hudler, the guy polaying on Detroit’s FIRST line, right? You cannot be serious, you just can’t be. As far as Horcoff, I see no reason to think Darren Helm is a much better third line center than he is, but that is less of a slam dunk. Let’s try another cup contender. You really don’t think the Bruins would happier with Smyth on the second line, Marchand on the third and Pouliot in the press box? You are insane if you don’t think that, absolutely insane. As far as Horcoff goes- if Chris Kelly is a dramatic improvement over him, I can’t tell you why, but you’ve got the grounds for a pretty good argument here, I’ll grant that.
    Of course, you only had them playing on the fourth line because we had a third made up of a hall-of-famer, a borderline hall-of-famer, and an all-star/gold medal/selke winner, with Ray Whitney providing the physicality Horcov isn’t capable of. I guess I can’t argue with that.

    WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP RANDOM NAMES OF NON-OILER PLAYERS!??

    I’m never going to refer to myself as a genius, but wtf I do understand hockey.

  42. regwald says:

    Eric Francis using the same line that Tambo told him he would trade the #1 for a dman.

    Stauffer is going crazy in twitter questioning the source – at least. He thinks Francis is hated by Oiler management.

    Anyways, that’s at least the third reference to the Oilers giving up their 1st round pick that I’ve heard of this week. Kypreos above, Francis and Hughson.

    With the common discussion about moving the pick, Tambo must be selling it hard if it’s out there. Since Katz has taken over, the rumours are very quiet around town.

  43. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    spOILer: Injury, cost–both trade and dollars–and I’m not certain he’s a good enough actual defenseman. No quarrel with him as an offensive defender when healthy. But the Oilers need a more complete player imo.

    Understood.

    Those are three pretty important issues. I think it’s worth considering though.

    Injury… Teams sour on their players because of injury all the time. After being dealt, it’s not always certain how it’s going to turn out. Sometimes it’s a smart move, sometimes the player regains form. There must be some injury mean that the meat of the bell curve reverts to. Green’s problem has been his groin. Groins are notorious for not healing unless you give them plenty of time. But I think the recovery rate is pretty good if you do. Green’s young. I think he’s a decent bet.

    Cost… This is where the injury issues play in our favour. Kind of the reverse Hemsky effect. If Green’s career returns to form, he will never be cheaper than he will be this summer. And generally the team that gets the better player, wins the deal. Don’t we often wish here that the Oil were on the quality side of a quantity for quality trade? Same help goes for his salary. Admittedly, the trade might come out of not wanting to pay the cap hit Green wants, and I agree we shouldn’t give up assets for a huge overpay, but I don’t see him having that kind of leverage right now. And he’s RFA.

    And it depends on what Wash wants too. I think firstly they want that Russian centerman, so the 2nd pick is probably the centerpiece. But if it’s multiple 1st rounders as well as say Omark and a top prospect then we’re giving up too much for the risk. I suspect the Oil already know the cost.

    And I think they already know the likelihood of convincing a top UFA dman to sign on July 1.

    Type of Dman… The hardest thing to do in the NHL is scoring goals, lol. A high end offensive Dman is a lot tougher to find than a wide range guy. Or you go get a good defensive guy to balance Green out. The boxcars of our defense this year have been pathetic. That’s even with 50 games of Whitney. This is a defense that could use an injection of offense. Petry’s more of a wide range guy, Whitney’s unreliable, but Smid and Schultz are good matches on a pairing with an offensive wizard. I think roster-wise, Green could be a great fit.

    But at the end of the day trading for Green would still be a bet, because of the injury issues. I can understand not wanting to give up serious assets given there is some risk.

  44. stevezie says:

    hunter1909,

    You said,”Horcoff and Smyth are 4th liners on a championship team”, so I slotted them on some obvious championship calibre teams. I did not explain what I was doing so it looks a little sloppy, but I thought then, and think now, that it was pretty obvious what I was getting at.

    Which team do you consider them 4th liners on?

  45. LMHF#1 says:

    I’m a big Mike Green fan and a fan of trading drafts picks for established players, but even I wouldn’t make that deal. If someone wants to trade you or Karlsson or Larsson or Weber on a long term deal, we can talk, but that’s highly unlikely. It is the same as before we picked Taylor Hall; if the Lightning had offered Stamkos, we’d be stupid not to do it. Those deals haven’t happened in some time.

    How about the first for two fairly established good players though? That is where things get tougher.

  46. JamesL says:

    Tobias Rieder with 15Pts (7G-8A) in 8 games this month.

    Ryan Martindale with a “breakout” night tonight — 2A so far, the first AHL points of his troubled career.

  47. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I think the Oilers will:

    1. draft Ryan Murray.
    2. send Klefbom back.
    3. sign all of Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat and Musil, but keep Gernat and Musil in junior for another year.
    4. send Bigos back to NCAA for his final year.

    The wildcards are Blain and Davidson.

    When Klefbom was over for the WJC, he said he’d come over and play in the AHL.

    I’m betting that happens.

    If he comes over at all, he’s staying.

    SEL training camp starts at the same time as rookie camp.

    I think he comes over, starts in OKC and gets 20 games in the NHL next year.

  48. Captain Obvious says:

    spoiler,

    spoiler,

    The pick alone would be a huge overpay for Green, You want to add to the package?

  49. MrSmitty says:

    Minnesota is in free fall they now sit in 28th spot. 2-7-1 in their last 10. The Oilers might even over take them in the final games.

  50. regwald says:

    Oil Kings win 7-3 to clinch the WHL championship. Nicely done boys. Nicely done.

  51. oilersfan says:

    There are very few dmen I would trade the oilers pick this year for. Certianly not Mike Green even if he is healthy. Maybe del zotto or OEL, those are the only two that make sense for both teams.
    In many ways OEL or Yandle make the most sense. Phoeix has no real forward studs and with Runblad lots of offence on defence.

    That bwing said wouldn’t the oilers be better off trading Gagner for Rundblad and draft Grigorenko?

  52. spoiler says:

    Matheson’s Hockey World is out a little early this weekend. Mobile version.

    He has this to offer about the 2nd pick and Ryan Murray:

    We keep tossing out Quebec Remparts centre Mikhail Grigorenko as a possible Oilers’ pick in the June draft, but if they are going on need to fill a hole on the back-end, former Everett Silvertips GM Doug Soetaert says it’s a slam-dunk. It has to be Ryan Murray. “I was talking to Steve Yzerman and he told me Murray reminded him of Mark Howe,” said the one-time NHL goalie. Not Scott Niedermayer, as many people think? “No,” said Soetaert. “I’m not just saying this because I had Ryan and I saw him play all the time, but Ryan could play in the NHL right now. For me, he’s better than (Cam) Fowler (when he came into the NHL). I think he’s better than Luke Schenn and Tyler Myers (WHL first-round picks of the Leafs and Sabres). He’s a coach’s dream. At 16, he was playing against 20-year-olds in our league. Makes a great first pass.”

    (Other tidbits in there too and a good segment on goaltending.)

    That’s a pretty glowing review of young Mister Murray, albeit from his own GM. Ready-to-play-right-out-of-the-box? If that’s true, I can’t see how the Oilers can make any other choice. I can’t see how Green, or anyone really, would interest them more than Murray.

  53. spoiler says:

    Captain Obvious:
    spoiler,

    spoiler,

    The pick alone would be a huge overpay for Green,You want to add to the package?

    No, lol, I don’t want to add to the package. I wanted to use an obvious overpay, even to those who like Green, as an example. It was also an example of what Wash would ask for not what we’d be willing to offer.

    And what one is willing to pay for Green depends on how much one likes him. What Wash is willing to accept as payment depends on how much they like him too. And likely they’d get a few dance partners lined up to put a further premium on the price. I’d bet you wouldn’t get a call back from the Caps. But there’d be other GMs that would.

    Not that it matters any more. I no longer believe that Green is the target. Reading the Matheson article reminded me that they already have Kuznetsov. And judging from the excerpt above, I can’t see how our first rounder can seriously be in play. Probably just rumours so teams know it’s being dangled and wait ‘n see what gets offered.

    LT has been bangin the Murray drum for a while and he’s looking very right thus far.

  54. gd says:

    Green makes no sense to me. He seems like a three year younger version of Whitney.

    Rundblad has already been traded twice and is now in the minors. I think I’d rather wait for Klefbom.

    Murray just went +3 to help his team win a must win game to probably get them in the playoffs.

    This year’s draft pick will probably make or beak Stu’s legacy.

  55. bookje says:

    Woodguy: When Klefbom was over for the WJC, he said he’d come over and play in the AHL.

    I’m betting that happens.

    If he comes over at all, he’s staying.

    SEL training camp starts at the same time as rookie camp.

    I think he comes over, starts in OKC and gets 20 games in the NHL next year.

    I think that in a strange twist of fate, Klefbom plans to come over for NHL training camp, but seriously injures his back eating a stack of pancakes w/lingonberries. The injury ends his career and pumps the pride of people who called the Dustin Penner trade a abysmal failure by the Oilers. Following this the debate begins about how trades should be valued at the time of the trade, not upon the outcome of the future impact…

  56. Schitzo says:

    Can’t recreate the ’80s without a Paul Coffey, of course they’re looking at Green.

  57. Traktor says:

    I prefer Ryan Murray over Tambellini’s quick fix plan to win a Stanley Cup in 2012/2013.

  58. Traktor says:

    If we can trade for Shea Weber and sign him then sure but anything less than that and I’m using the pick.

    I don’t get the LA/Phoenix speculation. LA isn’t trading Doughty, Phoenix isn’t trading Yandle or OEL and Gormley or Voynov would be an absolute joke.

  59. DeadmanWaking says:

    Though the girlfriend does own a dirndl.

    How do you wash that?

    Just throw it in with the rest of the clothes.

    Really? Delicate cycle, or heavy duty?

    Can’t remember to be honest. You know, I just do whatever she tells me. Pretty simple usually, only last time I got serious flack over some button going MIA. Don’t ever make that mistake. All that noise over one little button? Sheesh. Women sure are fussy about their buttons. But hey, two cheers for the dirndl. No button issues with that baby.

    Spoiler [intruding]: But damn are they a lot of work. Think we woke the whole neighborhood, and now she’s breathing funny. What’s that honey? Next time you’re going to tie my rope into a square knot? Cripes, what’s with her?

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