A Man For All Seasons

I thought about Craig MacTavish today. I thought about 2009 April and how Steve Tambellini held his media conference 88 hours after the season ended–MacT was gone, the world had changed.

There have been reports about Renney’s future for weeks now and today’s PC wasn’t about a new contract. I don’t know if the Oilers will retain him, no crystal ball here and no connections to the conclave that will soon convene. I don’t think coach Renney has made any missteps aside from roster makeup and usage but when you bring a knife to a gunfight heaven knows the final score is mostly written.

I don’t have the same feeling about coach Renney that I had about MacT, the same confidence. MacT’s decisions had clarity and as a fan you got the feeling the town team was getting the best chance to win each night. The week they fired MacTavish I wrote about the situation and concluded “I can’t help feeling the nadir of this franchise is on the other side of Sunday.”

If they choose to flush coach Renney, I won’t feel the same way about the franchise as I did the day MacT was let go. I believe they’re heading in a good direction because of the efforts of the amateur procurement department.

On the other hand, I don’t believe the Oilers will get the immediate help required at the draft, on July 1 or through trades in order to get themselves into a playoff position. I expect we’ll hear a lot about making changes and adding enough help to make this team a playoff organization.

History tells us innovators make good bets, cultivate them and then retain those who pay off and rid themselves of the ones that fail. How innovative has Oilers management been at the pro level these past seasons?  The Edmonton Oilers will not be serious contenders for anything until Mr. Katz takes ownership of his team.

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48 Responses to "A Man For All Seasons"

  1. neojanus says:

    Ownership is the key word here… across the board, from the actual owner all the way down to the 10 games a year players.

    I don’t see it yet… not from Katz, not from Tambo, not from all the players.

    The most ownership I have seen comes from the man on the chopping block, the classy Tom Renney.

    It’s very easy to call it rebuild woes, but until ownership becomes a primary focus, we’re running in spot.

  2. rich says:

    It was obvious that MacT’s term needed to end when it did – and not because he was a bad coach. Same thing w/OTC – he wasn’t/isn’t a bad coach, but the roster he had and his style were a bad drink.

    Renney is probably the right coach for kids – but in saying that it’s not a universal. He mishandled MPS, he overplayed (maybe he had no choice) Lander who was not ready for the NHL and he’s not been good w/Omark. Plus I would say his handling of DD has been bad. It’s only because it became obvious to everyone that Khabi just can’t stop a puck that Renney was forced to play him – not because of some grand design.

    Given that, I don’t think he’s the right coach moving forward but I seriously doubt he’ll be flushed this summer. I predicted over a month ago he lasts til Boxing Day and I’m sticking to my guns because I don’t see management doing the things necessary to address the holes in the roster.

    The need on defense is gaping and will require creativity to solve this summer – something that is not v3.5′s strength.

  3. spoiler says:

    Why would MacT want to take over this team as it is presently constituted?

    I think a US squad that has under-achieved will come calling, and MacT will leap at the opportunity to coach a more mature roster outside the fishbowl.

  4. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    Why would MacT want to take over this team as it is presently constituted?

    I think a US squad that has under-achieved will come calling, and MacT will leap at the opportunity to coach a more mature roster outside the fishbowl.

    I’m not suggesting that MacT is coming or should be coming back. I’m saying that Renney is imo a lesser coach than MacT but also that the real problem isn’t coaching–it’s the team and their procurement department at the NHL level.

  5. DSF says:

    Based on Renney’s demeanour today, I would think he’s pretty confident he’s not going anywhere.

    Unless he’s in line for a promotion and they bring in another coach, he’s likely around for quite a while.

  6. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: I’m not suggesting that MacT is coming or should be coming back. I’m saying that Renney is imo a lesser coach than MacT but also that the real problem isn’t coaching–it’s the team and their procurement department at the NHL level.

    Gotcha. I agree that Renney is kind of MacT-lite, and I’m not sure that he’s Moses either. I also agree that the problems are roster-oriented, not systems-oriented.

  7. Mr DeBakey says:

    A couple people mentioned Rob Daum in that linked thread.

    Daum, gassed by Mr Tambourlliniman, now coaches the Linz Black Wings in the Austrian League.

    From the very excellent International Hockey Forums:

    1.4.12 – Finals; Game 5
    EHC Black Wings Linz – EC Klagenfurter AC 3:1 (0:0, 2:1, 1:0)
    1:0 – 23.17 Mike Ouellette (Murphy, Westlund) PP1
    2:0 – 28.23 Justin Keller (Hisey)
    2:1 – 39.28 Johannes Kirisits
    3:1 – 59.58 Gregor Baumgartner EN

    PIM: 4×2 – 5×2 SOG: 29-38
    Att: 3650

    *Linz wins series 4-1

    Linz is 2011/2012 EBEL Champions!!!

    That Daum is dyno-mite when he gets to put together his own teams.
    Interesting that they beat Klagenfurter who art coached by St Albert’s Emanuel Viveiros – he’s also a one-time Oiler draft pick.

  8. jfry says:

    if we’re thinking move hall to C (as was sugested last thread). that opens up the yakupov option and then we trade sammy for d help?

    but hasn’t it been almost 4 years since hall played any C at all? is there anything to suggest he can play C on the NHL stage?

  9. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I’m not suggesting that MacT is coming or should be coming back. I’m saying that Renney is imo a lesser coach than MacT but also that the real problem isn’t coaching–it’s the team and their procurement department at the NHL level.

    That is the problem. Pro procurement via trade and FA signings.

    A funny exchange happened on Gregor’s show between him and Spector today.

    Spector was working hard to not point the finger at anyone who didn’t wear skates to work.

    Spector talked himself into a corner by blurting out that Renney didn’t have a hammer with the players becuase the Oilers have no depth at any position.

    Gregor then said “well whose fault is it that there’s no depth? Has to management right?”

    Spector: silence

    Also,

    You don’t get any hope from the management team that they will make that 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade to fill a need.

    You don’t get the feeling that they’ll get a Glencross for a journeyman D, or find a Hedja under a rock.

    They’ve made some not bad moves. Clearing out Foster for Sutton was a positive move.

    Signing Belanger was positive (his year wasn’t positive, but the signing was decent, if a year too long)

    Chiarella goes out and trades for a Horton.

    Lombardi goes and gets Carter.

    Tambellini picks up Jones off waivers.

    Also,

    Gregor had something interesting about Tambellini in a post at ON today.

    He said people “inside and outside organization say his decisiveness is lacking.

    He’s been called Mr. Dithers for a while, but its interesting to hear it coming from inside the Oilers as well.

    It takes balls and courage of your convictions to make a big trade to bolster your team.

    I’m not sure v4.0 is up to the task, and apparently others with the Oildrop on their paycheck agree.

  10. russ99 says:

    Renney lost me halfway through the season when it was blatantly obvious this team was headed for a bottom 5 finish and he bullheadedly stuck with his system even though it:

    A) Didn’t work
    B) Didn’t win hockey games
    C) Affected the offensive numbers of everyone but the kids he’s shielded all year
    D) Kept players who need icetime to develop from developing.
    E) Rewarded grinder players with power play time

    That said, I doubt the Oilers would have won more games otherwise, but there would be more clarity in the organization as to the potential of certain players.

    You have to question if Renney would be more flexible if given another year, and I can’t answer yes to that with any certainty.

    Maybe his injury with the puck was a blessing in disguise, to see how the players responded to a different type of coach with more flexibility. That was enough for me to want a change now.

  11. Woodguy says:

    I think the hold up in any decision is that the Chicago Wolves will be playing hockey for a while.

    My guess is that v4.0 and Renney come back on 1-2 year contracts and MacT is added to the management team after the Wolves are done in the playoffs.

    He didn’t get a MBA to be a career coach.

  12. gd says:

    This team needs to change its culture and leadership and the easiest way to do this is a new coach. A new coach who can facilitate the transformation of leadership to Smid and the kids and ensure the vets accept their roles should go a long way to create a winning atmosphere.

    With the young talent here, this should be the best job available this summer, unless Vancouver gets rid of Vignault because they didn’t win the cup. A strong new coach and the signing of J Schultz would give me hope that the management team is actually competent.

  13. Woodguy says:

    14 NHL teams spent less than the Oilers did this year.

    7 of them made the playoffs.

    All of them finished ahead of the Oilers.

    Management.

  14. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    14 NHL teams spent less than the Oilers did this year.

    7 of them made the playoffs.

    All of them finished ahead of the Oilers.

    Management.

    The same argument could be made for:

    Coaching.

    Not trying to pick a fight, just saying that there’s no automatic conclusion there.

  15. bluenotenorth says:

    spoiler,

    Add in a starting goalie that goes 10-20-7-2.

    Management and coaching.

  16. regwald says:

    spoiler: The same argument could be made for:

    Coaching.

    Not trying to pick a fight, just saying that there’s no automatic conclusion there.

    I agree with Woodguy. Cause even if coaching is the problem, then management should not have let Renney waste 82 games. Renney is not without his warts, but this crap season rests on management’s shoulders.

  17. Maverick says:

    I heard the exchange between Gregor and Spec on my drive home today. The more you look at the situation maybe Renney should stay?? Hmm… I have never been a big Tambellini fan aka Mr.Dithers as I and many have called him during his tenure as GM. The bottom line is the kids are leading the charge as we all can see, the veterans on the team and the veteran players brought in by management and professional scouting have failed. Petrell being an exception as Jari Kurri approached the Oilers about signing him in the summer. 3 years at the bottom of the league, lots of great drafting provide hope for the future but here and now players are plain not good enough. If ownership steps up as suggested I would remark as it is not just ownership but accountability of this state of affairs of the organization. If accountability is worth a lick then heads will roll in the rebuild and professional scouts, the GM, assistant GM and the high and mighty Kevin Lowe need to be addressed. The nice thing about the Oil Change series as we get a glimpse as to the dynamics of the organization and hints of its dis-organization, if we are to move forward something must be done, not saying “scorch the earth” but one of two elements of upper management needs to change.

  18. spoiler says:

    Guys,

    I’m more on the side that says the roster is a bigger issue than coaching, as I intimated in two earlier posts above. I’m just saying that the spending of money doesn’t demonstrate whose fault it is for the bad result.

  19. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    Guys,

    I’m more on the side that says the roster is a bigger issue than coaching, as I intimated in two earlier posts above. I’m just saying that the spending of money doesn’t demonstrate whose fault it is for the bad result.

    Yeah, I hear you. Plus there’s things like Belanger–who should be better and that should help Horcoff–delivering more next season. And if that happens then the pro dept gets a check mark because it did look like a good bet at the time.

  20. SK Oiler Fan says:

    I’d consider the “You’re millionaires show up and play hockey” comment a mis step.

    Also Renney’s comment about Hemsky’s role changing surely didn’t help his confidence. I’m assuming Hemsky was not 100% throughout much of the season, but shouldn’t Renny take some of the blame for a top player on his team having possibly the worst season of his career?

    The peculiar roster decisions were endless:
    1. Use of Belanger for anything other than faceoffs and PK (especially on the PP)
    2. Not finding a suitable slot for MPS
    3. Playing Barker
    4. Sitting Sutton
    5. Not playing Shultz enough early on
    6. Starting NK at any point after Christmas
    7. Not playing Eberle and Hall enough, especially on the PP
    8. Horc 4th on the team for PP time/game
    9. Not at least trialing 14, 4, 93, or 91 on the PK once the season was lost. I believe Eberle would be great at it.
    10. Gagner over Hemsky in the shootout a few times when Hemsky was the best player on the ice those nights.
    11. Too much icetime to the worst line in hockey

    Did I miss anything?

  21. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: The same argument could be made for:

    Coaching.

    Not trying to pick a fight, just saying that there’s no automatic conclusion there.

    Hall of fame coaches in all sports have all said the same thing.

    The best coach usually gets off the bus with the best team.

    I disagree with some of how Renney coaches, but maybe that’s the difference between 29th and 27th if I’m right on everything I disagree with him on (and I’m not)

    The difference between 29th and 16th or 10th is personnel.

  22. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    Guys,

    I’m more on the side that says the roster is a bigger issue than coaching, as I intimated in two earlier posts above. I’m just saying that the spending of money doesn’t demonstrate whose fault it is for the bad result.

    I’m more trying to point out the Oiler’s inefficient spending and stab a sacred cow about more $ = better result.

    Its more like better use of $ = better result.

  23. Woodguy says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    Starting the 4th in Ozone when the score is tied or behind by one when both 89′s and 93′s line are rested makes be kick kittens every time.

    I know they have to play sometimes, but go for the throat to get a lead or tie it up dammit.

  24. Lowetide says:

    I don’t think he knoew what to do with Paajarvi, Omark and Gagner. He screwed around a lot early with those three.

  25. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I don’t think he knoew what to do with Paajarvi, Omark and Gagner. He screwed around a lot early with those three.

    Which is strange because he sent 23-91 over the boards a lot in the last half of the previous season.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: I’m more trying to point out the Oiler’s inefficient spending and stab a sacred cow about more $ = better result.

    Its more like better use of $ = better result.

    Also the narrative that the Oilers can’t attract the right type of UFA.

    Stauffer still bangs on this one.

    Aside from 1D, the type of UFAs the Oilers need are signed by everyone, including PHX and NYI.

    I’d like to see Don Maloney in charge of the Oilers.

    Maybe he won’t be french enough for Quebecor if they go that way and not to Seattle or stay in PHX.

  27. PunjabiOil says:

    Tom Renney has made some questionable decisions, and I think the Oilers can improve in the coaching department.

    That being said, like I said when MacT was fired, the coaches are largely the scapegoats of the [ppr decisions made by the management.

    Countless examples over the years:

    1. Broadziak traded for peanuts
    2. Inability to add NHL defencemen, or missing the boat completely (Barker, Strudwick, Foster)
    3. Not trading guys when they carried value, and strong boxcar numbers (Moreau, Staios, Souray, Brule, Sutton)
    4. Trading Cole for POS. Sigh
    5. Pat Quinn hire.
    6. Khabibulin – 4 years in a buyers market. Need I say more?
    7. Wasting owners money to play JDD in the minors. Inability to evaluate and make decisions.
    8. Asking input from an amateur scout on a 12 year pro (Schultz)
    9. Not understanding the CBA

    Maybe the Oilers are intentionally tanking the past few years. I don’t know. That said, there is enough evidence to suggest Tambellini isn’t a bright guy, and is not the right man for this team to take the next step.

    Sickening that he will likely get an extension.

    Deplorable.

  28. sliderule says:

    Renney from all reports and appearances is a real nice man and a good teacher for young players.That’s why he was hired as an assistant.
    No matter whether they keep him for now he will quite likely not last the season.He held the kids accountable but up until the lasT 10 or so games not the vets.
    Expectations are going to be way too high next year and when he can’t deliver he will be gone probably before Jan
    After that the crosshairs will turn on Tambo.
    The ever patient fandom will have to wait for the next GM to deliver the goods.

  29. regwald says:

    PunjabiOil:

    Maybe the Oilers are intentionally tanking the past few years.I don’t know.That said, there is enough evidence to suggest Tambellini isn’t a bright guy, and is not the right man for this team to take the next step.

    Sickening that he will likely get an extension.

    Deplorable.

    And following the way of the new Oilers he will get a 3 year extension and then they will finally realize he’s not the right guy for the job and will have to bury his salary with a pseudo-promotion to some other mythical post to reflect his strong skill set…. Master of nothingness …

  30. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Woodguy: SK Oiler Fan, Starting the 4th in Ozone when the score is tied or behind by one when both 89′s and 93′s line are rested makes be kick kittens every time.I know they have to play sometimes, but go for the throat to get a lead or tie it up dammit.

    He also put the worst line in hockey out after a TV timout more than once!
    I know he’s a nice guy, but anybody on that line besides Lander won’t be around when this team is competitive so who cares if they’re pissed at the coach.

  31. PunjabiOil says:

    Watching Kings Ransom on TSN right now, 3rd time watching this documentary.

    I wasn’t old enough to live through the glory years, and this is still depressing as fuck.

    Compounded with the fact this organization is where it is right now, and it’s completely demoralizing.

    Sigh.

  32. PunjabiOil says:

    Hall and Horcoff – contradictory.

    “In years past, our passion & drive down the stretch wasn’t where it needed to be, but this year the guys played hard to the end.” – Horcoff

    “We would fall apart in games. If we weren’t leading after two, we just say screw it and kind of mailed it in. That’s unacceptable.” – Hall

  33. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:
    MacT is added to the management team after the Wolves are done in the playoffs.

    He didn’t get a MBA to be a career coach.

    LOL @ MBA thoughts. This has always been one of my favorite commercials just because…well it’s so damn true.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcoDV0dhWPA

    I”m also partial to a buddy’s line, “Ohhh you have an MBA? I’ll talk slower then”

    BTW WG…A direct quote from MacT in 2009 when asked about advanced stats? “I think they have great value for Internet hockey coaches.” Typical MacT grin while saying it too.

    I guess he’d have to change his tune now that the Oilers have though huh?

  34. cabbiesmacker says:

    All the T R & S T speculation here is interesting.

    Did anyone hear LowExpectations name mentioned once today? Hmmmmm

    Rome continues to smolder.

  35. Captain Obvious says:

    I think it is pretty obvious that management doesn’t know what they are doing. However, this doesn’t absolve Renney of responsibility since a lot of the mismanagement is clearly at his preference.

    This team didn’t have the worst fourth line in hockey because they didn’t have the players. This team had the worst fourth line in hockey because Renney handpicked these players at the expense of better players.

    Renney isn’t the whole problem but if you think he’s part of the answer you are asking the wrong question.

    The OIlers have a simple problem. They gave too much ice time to players who aren’t good enough to play in the NHL (Whitney, Barker, Teubert, Peckham, Belanger, Hordichuk, Lander, and Petrell for starters). A lot of this is on Tambellini et al, but Renney needs to wear some of this as well.

  36. art vandelay says:

    Watching Kings Ransom on TSN right now, 3rd time watching this documentary.
    I wasn’t old enough to live through the glory years, and this is still depressing as fuck.

    I remember it a lot differently. As in: 10 years of smugness unravelled by the sale of a piece of meat between a blue-eyed criminal and a fat criminal.

    That whole era was a fluke. A chimera. Never to be repeated. The Oilers are no more pre-destined to win than are the Loafs, the Crabs or the BJs. And in a cap world, where players make their final decisions on quality of city or org, EDM will always come out on the short end of the equation.

    The only hope is that all the lottery picks rise to the top of their game at exactly the same timee before losing some or all to RFA/UFA.

    Good luck.

    You’re a fan of the Edmonton Expos.

  37. Traktor says:

    I’m not a huge fan of Tambellini but do people not understand that Edmonton tanking the last 3 years was the best thing for the organization moving forward?

    I get the sense that some fans would be happier if we filled holes with good but not great NHL players and fought for 8th place like Calgary does every year.

    Tambellini has made some good and bad trades but I think he has done a good job in terms of not spending assets on a quick fix.

    It would be one thing if Suter said he wanted to sign in Edmonton and Tambellini refused but I don’t think Tambellini ever really had the option to sign impact UFA’s. Even the mid tear players like Ian White aren’t going to have Edmonton at the top of their list. I don’t think that would be different no matter who the GM was.

    I’m not saying he should be the guy to move forward with but if I had the power to go back in time I would still hire Tambellini 3 years ago knowing what I know today.

    I know some fans are bitter and love to slag on management but they really should understand that Katz’s time-line isn’t for a couple more years until the arena is open or nearing completion.

    I don’t think any honest person can say that Edmonton isn’t trending in the right direction and personally I’ll give management some credit for taking heat and doing what is right for the organization.

    Again, I’m not saying Tambellini is great but I don’t think we have seen what he is made of yet.

    I’m expecting much more from Tambellini or his possible replacement now that Edmonton has a large number of pieces in place. Smid and Petry took huge steps this year and Schultz is a legit #3. Klefbom looks like the real deal and at least one of our other 3 highly touted D should pan out and we might end up with Ryan Murray.

    Looking at the forwards, Hall, RNH and Eberle are all legit. Ryan Jones is the perfect 3rd line player and Ryan Smyth should be above average as a third liner. MPS, Lander and Harty in theory should make a great 4th line.

    Hall – RNH – Eberle
    xxx – xxx – xxx
    Smyth – xxx – Jones
    MPS – Lander – Jones

    Smid Petry
    Schultz xxx
    Whitney xxx

    That’s a pretty solid core right there with Hemsky, Gagner and the 2nd overall as possible chips to balance out the roster. It sure would be nice if Tyler Pitlick could turn into poor mans Ryan Kesler next year. I think he’s better than his AHL number indicate.

  38. Schitzo says:

    Traktor:
    I don’t think any honest person can say that Edmonton isn’t trending in the right direction and personally I’ll give management some credit for taking heat and doing what is right for the organization.

    Again, I’m not saying Tambellini is great but I don’t think we have seen what he is made of yet.

    I’m expecting much more from Tambellini or his possible replacement now that Edmonton has a large number of pieces in place. Smid and Petry took huge steps this year and Schultz is a legit #3. Klefbom looks like the real deal and at least one of our other 3 highly touted D should pan out and we might end up with Ryan Murray.

    I think you can pretty clearly divide those fans who trust Tambellini to get us the last mile, and those who think that finishing 30th was the easy part and that Tambellini doesn’t have the chops to finish the puzzle.

    At this stage, I don’t know if any of us know enough to say for sure. But this fork in the road pretty much dictates the future of the Oilers for the next decade (Chicago? Atlanta?), so it’s not hard to see why people are passionate about it either way.

  39. "Steve Smith" says:

    art vandelay: You’re a fan of the Edmonton Expos.

    And you, of the Vancouver Canucks.

  40. Woodguy says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Hall and Horcoff – contradictory.

    “In years past, our passion & drive down the stretch wasn’t where it needed to be, but this year the guys played hard to the end.” – Horcoff

    “We would fall apart in games. If we weren’t leading after two, we just say screw it and kind of mailed it in. That’s unacceptable.” – Hall

    Hall was talking about giving up if down after 2 periods, Horcoff was talking about playing hard until games 82.

    Also,

    When asked about the biggest problem on the Oilers, Hall took 2 nanoseconds to say “defense”

    Not sure if he was talking about team D or the actual defensemen, but he nailed that too.

    They also don’t shoot nearly enough.

  41. hightide says:

    I can’t say that i am pro or con Renney but I believe he brought Dubnyk along at the right pace. I look at Jeff Petry and think the same thing. Eberle and NH were sheltered and that was a good thing, How many times have we rushed kids along only to destroy their confidence and then give up on them. Ray Whitney and Jason Arnott come to mind. Development is a slow process. The place i see that Renney could have done better was with the vets, They weren’t held accountable like they should have been. I remember thinking when we got Belanger and Eager that we were going to be a much tougher team. Bottom line is as a team we need to play tougher. We have no team toughness, Maybe that is coaching!!

  42. gcw_rocks says:

    You missed:
    - Not finding a role for Omark
    - Keeping Lander too long
    - Not getting the best out of Belanger and Eager based on thier career averages
    - Bizzarre inconsistencies in line matching
    - Playing the 4th line at absolutely the wrong times

  43. rickithebear says:

    We see what is in our Character.

    Faced with Adversity, Giving up creeps into hall’s head. Not Good!

  44. gcw_rocks says:

    PunjabiOil,

    Agreed. There is strong evidence that Tambelini is a bad GM and Renney is a mediocre coach.

    The Oilers should flush them both and go get the best available for both positions.

    And I strongly beleive MacT is not best available for either.

    Give me Fenton or Botterill or Will over MacT or Tambo

    Give me Jon Cooper or Lindy Ruff over MacT.

  45. LMHF#1 says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Watching Kings Ransom on TSN right now, 3rd time watching this documentary.

    I wasn’t old enough to live through the glory years, and this is still depressing as fuck.

    Compounded with the fact this organization is where it is right now, and it’s completely demoralizing.

    Sigh.

    You know what still baffles me most? That Pocklington can still justify it as a business decision. It may have been the single stupidest business decision he made (and he made a ton). They were really building a brand here and the key to that was obviously 99. He’d have been better off selling everything else he owned and keeping the team.

  46. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: Hall of fame coaches in all sports have all said the same thing.The best coach usually gets off the bus with the best team.I disagree with some of how Renney coaches, but maybe that’s the difference between 29th and 27th if I’m right on everything I disagree with him on (and I’m not)The difference between 29th and 16th or 10th is personnel.

    Completely agree. But this wasn’t your argument.

  47. bookje says:

    LMHF#1: You know what still baffles me most? That Pocklington can still justify it as a business decision. It may have been the single stupidest business decision he made (and he made a ton).They were really building a brand here and the key to that was obviously 99. He’d have been better off selling everything else he owned and keeping the team.

    He was pretty much bankrupt and had nothing else to sell other than the whole team. He could have done so if he wanted – it was easy to move franchises back then.

  48. FastOil says:

    gcw_rocks:
    You missed:
    - Not finding a role for Omark
    - Keeping Lander too long
    - Not getting the best out of Belanger and Eager based on thier career averages
    - Bizzarre inconsistencies in line matching
    - Playing the 4th line at absolutely the wrong times

    I agree that these things and more were problems. When I read them however it looks like a list of management directives, not the choices of an experienced coach with a good reputation (not to say I think Renney is outstanding, just that he is competent for sure) . It would be hard to convince me management is unhappy with this finish. And the same will go for next year when they go a-lotterying again.

    I don’t have confidence in the management team unless some good moves are accomplished, repeatedly, but really Lowe at least has shown more ability than what has been done the last few years. He knows more than this.

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