LADISLAV SMID 11-12: HEART OF GOLD

Ladislav Smid has officially quieted his critics. At this point in his career-still a relatively young 26-Smid has figured it out and is a man among men.

Ladislav Smid 10-11

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.43 (6th among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 1.04 (6th among Oil D)
  • Qual Comp: 4th toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 5th best available among D
  • Corsi Rel: 2.3 (3rd best among D)
  • Zone Start: 48.6% (2nd toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 51.1% (2nd best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 48 shots/0 goals
  • Boxcars: 78gp, 0-10-10
  • Plus Minus: -10 on a team that was -52

Ladislav Smid 11-12

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.64 (3rd among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 3rd best available among D
  • Corsi Rel: -.6 (4th best among D)
  • Zone Start: 49.3% (4th toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 52.6% (best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 47 shots/10.6% (1st among Oilers D)
  • Boxcars: 78gp, 5-10-15
  • Plus Minus: +4 on a team that was -26
  1. What do these numbers tell us? Smid faced the toughest opposition with 2nd pairing help overall and delivered a strong season. His CorsiRel under those circumstances and with this team is splendid, and his ZS finish is a marvel.
  2. How could these numbers be better? There’s nothing about the stat line above that you can be overly critical of, and with the exception of the shooting percentage nothing we can’t count on him to repeat.
  3. Has he made a lot of progress? Two years ago, Smid played easy minutes with quality help and had the third best CorsiRel among the defensemen. Last season he played tougher minutes with lesser ‘mates and delivered the 3rd best CorsiRel again. This season he played the toughest available competition with middling mates and was around sea level CorsiRel. That’s a nice bit of progress there.
  4. You always thought he’d be more offensive, is the surge in goals for real? Don’t think so, he’s a veteran now and luck decided to kiss him full on the lips. It’s all good, Smid would have been useful without the 5 goals and the Oilers run him hard at evens and the PK.
  5. He’ll miss Gilbert. We’ll all miss Gilbert and Smid’s CorsiRel did slide after mid-season but I don’t think you can reasonably argue that Smid has been relying on his D partner these past few seasons. He’s a productive defenseman, young, good contract, healthy, solid as a rock.
  6. So, no negatives? Well, there’s one.
  7. I KNEW IT! Ass! Hold on. Smid has a tendency to put himself in harm’s way and that’s a concern. I mentioned above that he plays a lot of games and that’s mostly true but Laddy doesn’t seem to have natural survival instincts. I’d like to see a few clothesline hits next year, smarten up some idiots.
  8. Is he the best defenseman on the team? Schultz is a good one and Petry will pass both eventually because of his wide range of skills. But when you factor in the PK work and his evens play against the tough opps I’d say Smid is currently the best defenseman on the team. Maybe I’ll feel differently after a full year of Schultz but right now that’s my answer.
  9. Well Kumbay-freaking-ya! Hey, I’m never going to feel that a defensive defender is going to give you as much value as a more complete player, but Smid’s value isn’t in question. He didn’t play on the PP at all and still finished 62nd overall in TOI. His EV number ranked 54th and his PK TOI was 11th in the entire NHL.
  10. So, Smid should be part of the future? Oh yeah, if the Oilers can sign him to a reasonable number then Smid should be a big part of the future. Along with Petry and the long list of kids we know by heart, that could be a nice group at some point in time.
  11. Smid’s going to have a long career. He’s one of those guys who should pass 1,000 games without even breaking a sweat at this point. Most defensemen break down within about a year or two of where our guy Schultz is now.
  12. Great. Yeah. The trick is to get them when they’re done making their mistakes and before the league grinds them into creaky old men. It’s not a large window.
  13. Have you ever been fond of this player type? You mean the extreme stay-at-home D? Sure. Don Awrey was a favorite of mine, but most defensemen bring at least a little offense. Bob Baun did, Jason Smith too. Most of the guys on the ice when the other team has their best players out there can handle the puck well and have enough creativity to send the forwards away with frequency. Smid did some of that this season, maybe he’ll hit 20 points before he’s 30.
  14. What player type should they pair with him? A two-way type with offense rising. You wouldn’t ideally put him with a Jason Smith or a Steve Staios but an MA Bergeron would probably be too much the other way. I always thought Lubo was a great partner.
  15. Pat Quinn didn’t like him. Yes. Pat Quinn also liked two channels and 8-tracks.
  16. Pat Quinn liked Smid. Sure he did, Smid plays a similar style, is coachable and moved the puck up. But the Oilers need that puck mover who can thread the headman pass and that guy would be perfect for Smid as a partner.
  17. Any candidates? I’m sure the Oilers are looking at a few.
  18. Nice. Very positive review. Thanks.

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  1. knighttown says:

    What do these numbers tell us?
    Very little for defensemen without including GA/60 after all, preventing goals is a key line on their job description. Add that to your numbers and observational analysis of Qualcomp (which is more accurate than any number) and you get a better picture.
    Ranked in order of GA/GF +/-
    1. Andy Sutton 2.29-1.97 (+.32)
    Sutton played softs for most of the year and did extremely well as a good defenseman should. His GF/60 number is 4th out of 7 and his GA/60 is second only to Schultz who posted the bulk of his number in Nogoalesota. 1.97 GA/60 is WELL clear of the Oiler only field.
    2. Lasislav Smid 2.46-2.32 (+.14)
    Ah, the shutdown defenseman on a bad team. Almost guaranteed to be a massively negative number so…wait what?…Smid’s number was positive. Wow that’s impressive. If you look at the bottom of this metric its filled with guys with job descriptions like Smid. Regehr, Gilbert, Schultz, Beauchemin, Phaneuf, Robidas. These guys face the Sedins with guys in front of them who rarely score. His 2.32 GA/60 is very good for his position. I’d expect his 2.46 is an aberration and will drop down below 2 next year. Amazing season for #5.
    3. Theo Peckham 2.57-2.57 (0)
    He exclusively played the softs. That GA/60 is technically only 4th worst but its an awful number for a defensive defenseman playing the softs. Of course, on a team that plays matchups as hard as the Oilers do, your first pairing is a sacrificial lamb and should be deep in the red so that your 2nd and 3rd pairings can beat up the softs. He would have had a lot of time behind the kids against checkers and 3rd pairings.
    4. Jeff Petry 2.39-2.63 (-.24)
    Pretty good numbers for a kid slotted in at #8 preseason. Let’s put it this way…no one else on this team could have taken that spot alongside Smid and kept the GA/60 below 3. If he can play this role and keep that number within shouting distance of even par I’ll be very pleased.
    5. Nick Schultz 1.4-1.9 (-.5)
    1.4GF/60? We’ll that’s fucking terrible, as in 4th worst in the NHL. He was much better than this in Edmonton but I’m not sure how to calculate this. That second number is really good though, as is to be expected for a true shutdown guy NOT facing top competition. Besides the truly elite guys like Letang, some of the best +/- numbers on bad teams are these pretty solid second and third pairing guys. If Schultz can beat the seconds and Sutton can wallop the thirds then we can afford to throw 5/58 to the wolves a little. I’d like to see a 2.3/1.9 next year if Schultz is in the same role.
    6. Ryan Whitney 1.85- 2.61 (-.75)
    3rd worst GA/60 behind Potter and Petry. Petry played the Sedins every night and Potter makes everyone look like the Sedins. Absolutely terrible result here for Whitney and like the earlier poster mentioned, with some of Ashley’s comments and what I can see, I think he might be done. Terrific PP guy so maybe there’s a role as a #7D like Ryan Ellis in the World Junior? He cannot go out and face middling competition and get smoked. IF he’s healthy I’d count on 6/15 posting +0.5′s each and then this might be a playoff team. If he can’t, find someone who can.
    7. Corey Potter 2.11- 3.02 (-.91)
    The Oilers seem to also find a way to get a guy who posts results like this and it never seems to bother them. You cannot win with someone posting a -.91 playing soft competition. There are 50 guys in the ECHL that could do this.
    To summarize, I’d plan on some regression from the pairing of 5/58 because expecting them to break even is a little too much given their matchups. Saying that, I’d deploy them in the exact same way. I’d then put 15 with a new addition and have Sutton anchor the 3rd pairing, rotating Whitney and Peckham as needed. I’d shoot for a +0.5 from both pairings.
    Potter should be #9 on the depth chart and Whitney is a big question mark it would be foolish to count on.

  2. Lowetide says:

    KT: I’m interested in your reading of Sutton (since he’s next). BTH has him facing the softest available opps–but you have a different view? Interested in finding out.

  3. Woodguy says:

    LT,

    Why do you hate Smid?

  4. "Steve Smith" says:

    That’s a fair analysis, KnightTown, but surely it’s not a coincidence that lining up Oilers’ defencemen in descending order of PDO yields a pretty similar order?

    1. Peckham
    2. Sutton
    3. Smid
    4. Schultz
    5. Petry
    6. Whitney
    7. Potter

    Adding in that context makes Peckham look a bunch worse – like he needed the help – but other than him, every player is within one spot of his placement on the goal differential list. Who’d have thunk?

  5. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy,

    Because of his (LT’s) longstanding crush on Barbara Ann Scott, obviously.

  6. Woodguy says:

    knighttown,

    I think Shots Against vs. Expected Shots against is a much better metric than goals. Goals are too rare to have a pile of value and are very goalie dependent.

    If you are using GA/60, you need to show ONSV%.

    I got Gabe to spit out a bunch of Expected SA in some data he had in previous years, but not this year.

    I’ll see if I can get this year’s numbers.

  7. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Woodguy,

    Because of his (LT’s) longstanding crush on Barbara Ann Scott, obviously.

    Perhaps LT is becoming OTB.

    Ol’ Timey Blogger.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Well she was a cutie patootie as they used to say.

  9. "Steve Smith" says:

    I thought I detected a whiff of onion from this post.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Well, she was the style at the time.

  11. Woodguy says:

    Oiler D 5v5 ONSV%

    Shultz .944
    Sutton .933
    Peckham .921
    Whitney .919
    Smid .916
    Petry .911
    Potter .900

    Don’t have it in front of me, but I think league average for 5v5 SV% is around .925ish

  12. DSF says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Woodguy,

    Because of his (LT’s) longstanding crush on Barbara Ann Scott, obviously.

    Barbara Ann in playing LW for the OKC Barons in the playoffs.

    4GP 0G 1A 1P
    9 Shots
    SH% 0

  13. Lowetide says:

    Canucks. Hahahahhaahahaahahaha

  14. regwald says:

    I call Bullshit on your answer to #17. They may be thinking about an offence dman for the long lead pass. They may even talk about it … but like most things Tambo does, there’s a long time between the thinking and doing part … I think his plants would die by the time he changed thinking about watering them to actually watering them ….

    just saying …

  15. regwald says:

    Lowetide:
    Canucks. Hahahahhaahahaahahaha

    Even poor Burrows gets no respect from Team Canada … he’s wearing #41. Some 2nd year pro gets #14 …. hmmm …

  16. "Steve Smith" says:

    DSF,

    Thank you; I was just thinking that there weren’t enough axes being ground in this thread.

    I wonder what Traktor thinks of Shawn Horcoff?

  17. stevezie says:

    Off topic, but Penner has been better than good against the Blues and looked very involved physically. I don’t know where that guy’s switch is, but I’m glad it still has an on position.

  18. Lowetide says:

    I never liked the toonie. What ever happened to the 2 dollar bill? And why do the driive on a parkway and park on a driveway? And why do they put a best before date on sour cream? Why don’t women react when we men threaten to withhold sex?

    I mean, like, AT ALL?

  19. DSF says:

    Dustin Brown is a bad, bad man.

  20. Woodguy says:

    stevezie,

    Being injured and watching your marriage dissolve must be a real bitch.

    Someone (probably ANA) will get a good deal on him next year.

    I’d prefer him over Smyth for 2/3 LW on the Oilers.

  21. DSF says:

    Woodguy:
    stevezie,

    Being injured and watching your marriage dissolve must be a real bitch.

    Someone (probably ANA) will get a good deal on him next year.

    I’d prefer him over Smyth for 2/3 LW on the Oilers.

    Toronto.

    It was Burke that found him in the first place and he’s very big on hanging on to his assets unless Lowe is acting like a buffoon.

  22. DSF says:

    Dustin Brown is a bad, bad, bad man.

  23. knighttown says:

    Lowetide:
    KT: I’m interested in your reading of Sutton (since he’s next). BTH has him facing the softest available opps–but you have a different view? Interested in finding out.

    No i don’t LT. My exact quote is that “Sutton played the softs”. Might have misread.

    If you’re paying 1.5 million for a guy to take on the softs I expect him to come out well ahead and by this metric anyway, Sutton did that.

    Woodguy:

    I’d be absolutely thrilled to see more and better data. I wanted to move things along by adding some metrics that show results not just the situation the player was played in. Please post when you can.

    My expectation for the roles they’ve been given:

    Smid-Petry- a little under-water facing the vaunt

    Schultz-Whitney- two vets that are paid to handle the vaunt but won’t be asked to. They’ve got to to able to clobber the seconds to cover their bet. Schultz should do it by giving up sweet fuck all and Whitney should be able to produce. NOTE*** I don’t think Whitney can handle this but this would be my RE for a guy in his role.

    Sutton-Peckham- This pair would be as sheltered as any pair could get (with Smid and Schultz on the other two pairings) and would have to come out well ahead in order to cover their bet.

  24. Lowetide says:

    KT: You’re absolutely right, I misread.

  25. Woodguy says:

    DSF,

    You think Carlyle wants Penner to play for him?

    You think Penner wants to play for Carlyle?

    I’d bet against it.

    KT,

    Will dig up what he sent me for the past 5 years.

    Its not sortable by team or player, so not easy to grab stuff, but interesting.

    Central teams always rank highest given the high number of games against DET, who shoot the puck a lot.

  26. BlacqueJacque says:

    I can proudly say I’ve been a supporter of Laddy for a while now. I think Theo is on a similar career path, though Renney did him absolutely no favors this year, and may have delayed or even permanently put off Theo’s coming out party.

    That said, congrats to Smid and the coaching staff. It’s one of those rare times the Oilers seem to show patience with a youngster through thick and thin, and it has paid off.

  27. BlacqueJacque says:

    stevezie,

    Penner’s on switch is respect and responsibility. Give him both and he flourishes (like he did in ’09-10, when he was the only thing the Oilers had going up front.) He’s a sensitive guy and needs both someone to support him as well as challenge him – but not humiliate him.

  28. DSF says:

    Woodguy:
    DSF,

    You think Carlyle wants Penner to play for him?

    You think Penner wants to play for Carlyle?

    I’d bet against it.

    KT,

    Will dig up what he sent me for the past 5 years.

    Its not sortable by team or player, so not easy to grab stuff, but interesting.

    Central teams always rank highest given the high number of games against DET, who shoot the puck a lot.

    Devil you know….and so on.

    Carlyle has already performed his mea culpa with Lupul.

  29. DSF says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    stevezie,

    Penner’s on switch is respect and responsibility.Give him both and he flourishes (like he did in ’09-10, when he was the only thing the Oilers had going up front.)He’s a sensitive guy and needs both someone to support him as well as challenge him – but not humiliate him.

    Exaclty this.

  30. Traktor says:

    DSF: Toronto.

    It was Burke that found him in the first place and he’s very big on hanging on to his assets unless Lowe is acting like a buffoon.

    Burke did not find him. He didn’t even know who Penner was until one of the Ducks scouts demanded that they sign him.

    I’m not even sure Burke was the guy who signed him as Burke said himself that Bob Murray handled all contract negotiations.

    Burke was the GM when Penner signed with Anahiem and Burke was the GM when Anaheim decided to let him go for draft picks.

    I’m not sure that is enough for Toronto to be the preferred destination for Penner.

    Besides, how will Toronto have enough money left over when they are finished trading for Lu8ngo, Nash, Toronto’s new 1st line C, and Burke annual bad contract?

  31. TheOtherJohn says:

    Really like Smid’s season. Solid defensively, hard to play against, made his mates better and really came into his own. If he is on your second pairing you have a real good D. Because he’s #1 we are in 29th place.

    Would sign him for 4 years and unlike Khabby and Belanger nobody would be talking about length of term

    Re protecting himself: holy crap does he leave himself exposed. Sometimes he gets “blown up real good”. Truly only worry

    Not sure LT’s recent infatuation with Barbara Ann Scott is not just a move way from his first love, Mary Pickford and the current fad of “talkies”. Course like Pouliot and the recent Oscar winner “the Artist” maybe LT’s onto something there

  32. DSF says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Really like Smid’s season. Solid defensively, hard to play against, made his mates better and really came into his own. If he is on your second pairing you have a real good D. Because he’s #1 we are in 29th place.

    Would sign him for 4 years and unlike Khabby and Belanger nobody would be talking about length of term

    Re protecting himself: holy crap does he leave himself exposed. Sometimes he gets “blown up real good”. Truly only worry

    Not sure LT’s recent infatuation with Barbara Ann Scott is not just a move way from his first love, Mary Pickford and the current fad of “talkies”. Course like Pouliot and the recent Oscar winner “the Artist” maybe LT’s onto something there

    Could have just kept Matt Greene.

  33. Bar_Qu says:

    DSF,

    Or headhunted for Edler.

    Smid is reliable and played a mostly injury-free season. He is the perfect complement for a top-flight D man, or a good offensive D like, say Gilbert.

    Too bad the Oil don’t have him.

  34. DSF says:

    Traktor: Burke did not find him. He didn’t even know who Penner was until one of the Ducks scouts demanded that they sign him.

    I’m not even sure Burke was the guy who signed him as Burke said himself that Bob Murray handled all contract negotiations.

    Burke was the GM when Penner signed with Anahiem and Burke was the GM when Anaheim decided to let him go for draft picks.

    I’m not sure that is enough for Toronto to be the preferred destination for Penner.

    Besides, how will Toronto have enough money left over when they are finished trading for Lu8ngo, Nash, Toronto’s new 1st line C, and Burke annual bad contract?

    You mean Burke relied on his pro scouting department to find an drafted player?

    Shoot the man.

    The rest of your post is just gibberish.

  35. DSF says:

    Bar_Qu:
    DSF,

    Or headhunted for Edler.

    Smid is reliable and played a mostly injury-free season. He is the perfect complement for a top-flight D man, or a good offensive D like, say Gilbert.

    Too bad the Oil don’t have him.

    That would make a swell second pairing.

    Only 3 defensemen to go,

  36. Bar_Qu says:

    DSF,

    Lacking in clutchiness tho.

    :(

  37. spoiler says:

    I think I missed Dennis’ post.

  38. Nessler37 says:

    DSF,

    Penner signed in May of 04 and Burke became GM in Anaheim June of 05. Trak was right, Burke had nothing to do with Penner signing with the Ducks.

  39. spoiler says:

    Our bean has finally grown into a beanstalk!

  40. Ryan says:

    The Oilers have a potential puck moving dman in their system. He’s 6’2, 205 lbs and arguably one of the fastest skaters in the league. He has skill handling the puck but not much in the way of goal scoring instincts. Who am I talking about? )

  41. Traktor says:

    DSF: You mean Burke relied on his pro scouting department to find an drafted player?

    Apparently not.

    You’ve never been a friend with facts though.

  42. spoiler says:

    Ryan:
    The Oilers have a potential puck moving dman in their system.He’s 6’2, 205 lbs and arguably one of the fastest skaters in the league.He has skill handling the puck but not much in the way of goal scoring instincts.Who am I talking about?)

    Hopefully not Pääjarvi.

  43. asiaoil says:

    Ladi Smid – told ya so LT – that is all :)

  44. Lois Lowe says:

    spoiler:
    Our bean has finally grown into a beanstalk!

    <3

  45. Woodguy says:

    Corey Pronman has published his top 100 for this year’s draft.

    Its a good idea to read his introduction as well. He talks about how he dings Dmen a bit given the variance in how they develop from 18-22 years old. Forwards are easier to project.

    I like that he had Henrik Samuelsson at 39, that ranking makes much more sense than CS having him at 79 or something.

    Pronman’s top 10 (he says there is a drop off in talent after Murray):

    1. Nail Yakupov, Left Wing, Sarnia-OHL*
    2. Mikhail Grigorenko, Center, Quebec-QMJHL*
    3. Alexander Galchenyuk, Center, Sarnia-OHL*
    4. Filip Forsberg, Right Wing, Leksands-Allsvenskan*
    5. Teuvo Teravainen, Left Wing, Jokerit-SM-Liiga*
    6. Matt Dumba, Defense, Red Deer-WHL*
    7. Morgan Rielly, Defense, Moose Jaw-WHL*
    8. Ryan Murray, Defense, Everett-WHL*
    9. Pontus Aberg, Left Wing, Djurgarden-SEL*
    10. Radek Faksa, Center, Kitchener-OHL*

    Everyone has Yakupov first.

    Except the Oilers.

    Stu says there is a top 5 with no clear leader.

    Stauffer was saying the same thing on his show yesterday.

    Setting the table for a trade down?

    Stauffer was also saying how awesome it would be if the Oilers traded the 1st to TOR for the 5th and Schenn.

    I really, really, really hope that doesn’t happen. Schenn is not a good NHL Dman by any metric.

    Stauffer, of course, blames Wilson for Schenn’s numbers and thinks he would blossom in Edmonton.

    Lordy.

  46. Lowetide says:

    I just posted an item on ON in regard to the CBJ trading up.
    http://oilersnation.com/2012/5/1/trading-the-picks-jackets-edition

  47. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    Well hey, let’s be fair, he might blossom in Edmonton. Afterall he looked like a gem of gems his rookie year. Look at how bad Smid was once upon a time. I see no reason to consider this unlikely.

    Of course, he’s getting paid like he’s already good and the difference between entirely possible and entirely guarenteed could just about fit into the grand fuggin canyon. The numbers don’t love him, and the Leafs are looking to trade him. That’s a grim combination.

    Why we’d trade the number one for anything less than a guarentee is beyond me. OEL’s play this series makes it even more unlikely he’s going anywhere. Maybe the 1st and Gagner for Ballard, Hanzel and a second? How anxious should PHX be to dismantle their team to add a scorer?
    I know the dream is to move the pick for a D still on his ELC but performing at an elite level but really, why would anyone trade of of those?

  48. Woodguy says:

    stevezie,

    Schenn is also UFA at 25, which is about when Dmen start coming around.

    Bad trade.

    If you are trading the first, getting a “project” or “1st rounder who hasn’t lived up to his draft position” are terrible ways to go.

  49. godot10 says:

    I think Dustin may be playing himself into staying right where he is now, on LW with Richards and Carter. Mike Richards has the motor Corey Perry did. It hides the “apparent” Mahovlich nonchalance that Dustin play’s with, and make him easier on the coaches eyes. They begin to see what he can do, that he always ends up in the right place, that he always tends to make the right play, Perry and Richards distract the coaches eyes from the “ugliness” with how Dustin got there. It is why Dustin always “looked” better playing with Brule and Cogliano than he did with Hemsky. Hemsky is so g#%d^%$&$ pretty, that MacT could just never get beyond how Dustin looked on the ice.

    The other “problem” with Penner is that he doesn’t start the war, but if the war is already engaged, then he battles with the best of them. Perry and Richards start the wars, so Penner doesn’t have to. All he has to do is battle, not start the battle.

    The Sutter’s were always about production over the beauty of the production. Daryl Sutter was a later round draft pick, who was too small and too slow, yet he played almost immediately, productively, and for a long time.

  50. Jordan says:

    Woodguy:
    stevezie,
    Schenn is also UFA at 25, which is about when Dmen start coming around.

    Bad trade.

    If you are trading the first, getting a “project” or “1st rounder who hasn’t lived up to his draft position” are terrible ways to go.

    Agreed.

    You need to get value for a 1st overall.

    Schenn is a poor NHL Dman with a bad 1way contract – he’s not a smart bet to make with the 1st overall.

    Gardiner or Gunnarson are much better bets to outperform – one of them would need to be sent back with that pick. Schenn might as well be a cap dump at this point.

  51. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    I agree. I guess I was too longwinded in saying so. Schenn may very well turn out good, but that possibility doesn’t make him owrth his current momney and it certainly doesn’t make him worth a number 1. Brevity is better.

  52. regwald says:

    Oilers sign Pelss to a 3 year entry level deal as per Oilers twitter.

  53. loosemoose says:

    Watching what Smiddy has become has made me ease up on young dmen…..case in point; Tuebert, Plante, and a lesser extent, Petry.

    seeing what could be has made it a little easier to handle the missed assignments, bad reads, etc that a young dman makes….and maybe helps see the good, albeit a double edged sword at times

    Gives me hope for Alex Plante….I know a lot of people think he’s too slow, but i think he would slide right in to a third pairing role and give a team some quality minutes. He’s done nothing but progress and seems to have took his time in the A to actually get better as a pro, which IMO is all you can ask from a young man…..

    Smid’s rise has not only shown well on him, but for me, it shows well on alot of Oiler defenceman, which makes it all the more impressive and timely

  54. oilersfan says:

    Kevin Lowe said he doubts they will trade the pick. Everything else is just filler for Stauffer’s show. He has to fill 2 hours a day all summer.

  55. Ducey says:

    regwald:
    Oilers sign Pelss to a 3 year entry level deal as per Oilers twitter.

    So Blain, Davidson and Czerwonka from that draft still to be signed.

  56. Jordan says:

    What is the deadline to sign them? Draft day?

  57. FPB94 says:

    Grigorenko was suffering from mono during and pre playoffs

  58. stevezie says:

    FPB94:
    Grigorenko was suffering from mono during and pre playoffs

    Well, that complicates things for CBS but I think our path is still fairly clear. The onyl real wrinkle is Nail’s knee, and that doesn’t sound so bad.

  59. ashley says:

    In so far as the injury itself, I wouldn’t worry too much about Yakupov’s knee. Knees do well, and even if there are lingering issues, players compensate well and continue to play at a high level.

    Look at Yzerman. He had so many surgeries on his knee. Advanced osteoarthritis resulted in a high tibial osteotomy when he was still in his prime, and he continued to dominate for years after.

    How many players have ever had career-ending knee injuries? It’s rare.

    Most of this seems like drama for the sake of drama. I think it is unlikely the Oilers will trade the pick, and I think it is unlikely they will pick anyone other than Nail. My thoughts.

  60. nelson88 says:

    Interested to see how Nashville reacts to the team imposed suspensions.

    Rumoured to have been out in Scottsdale until 4am before game 2. Where was Sergei? MVP? Driving the get away car perhaps.

  61. Ducey says:

    Jordan: What is the deadline to sign them? Draft day?

    June 1

  62. Captain Obvious says:

    The world championship roster is a portent of doom for Oiler fans. Luke Schenn, Mark Methot, Ryan Murray; it reads like a tryout of a whose-who of players we shouldn’t want on our team.

    Trading the #1 pick is a bad idea. However, if you do trade the pick you need to aim beyond the stars. Considering the value of the contract the #1 pick in the draft should be valued as close to the number one commodity in hockey.

    In order to trade the pick you need to get someone who is a star all ready and is still on their entry level deal. Otherwise you are shooting yourself in the head.

  63. "Steve Smith" says:

    Captain Obvious,

    With respect to Murray, are you saying that we shouldn’t want him on our team, or that we shouldn’t want to burn a first overall pick on him?

    I agree with you on the value of a number one pick, and I don’t see a way, realistically, that we get Murray without burning the number one pick, or trading it for too little, so functionally the distinction I draw above may be moot. But if you’re suggesting that Ryan Murray doesn’t project to be a useful NHL player, this is the first I’ve heard it suggested.

  64. FPB94 says:

    Nelson: Kostitsyn had 2 shots, a goal and +1 in that game on 13:50 of Icetime.

    If he can party hard and play well I don’t see the problem.

    Dennis Rodman went back and forth from Utah to Las Vegas between NBA finals games.

    He won 5 rings.

  65. Jordan says:

    FPB94:
    Nelson: Kostitsyn had 2 shots, a goal and +1 in that game on 13:50 of Icetime.

    If he can party hard and play well I don’t see the problem.

    Dennis Rodman went back and forth from Utah to Las Vegas between NBA finals games.

    He won 5 rings.

    The problem isn’t what he brings to the team on the ice, the problem is that his behaviour violates a code of conduct he agreed to when he joined the team. Disregarding it, and putting everyone else in the organization in a bind to either make the team worse by suspending them for the infraction or ignore the agreement that everyone who joins the team makes.

    People acting out, regardless of how they do so, is a serious concern. I don’t care how Nashville expresses it, but violating that agreement is unacceptable. I respect Poile all that much more now. I hope that Rads and Andy choose to look at why they chose to do that, and what it is costing everyone, and find the courage to ask for help.

    Derek Boogard was seen an impeccable team mate, and a force to be feared around the league.

    His substance abuse problem still killed him.

    It’s pretty clear to me that help is needed. And based on last summer, it’s clear that not getting the help needed comes with too high a price.

  66. FPB94 says:

    Jordan:

    I more have problems with some people who try to link effort on the ice with whatever guys do off the ice.

    Jordan had some serious gambling issues. No sane human being would ever question the will of that pathologically competetive man.

  67. Jordan says:

    FPB94,

    By experience, I would question the will of anyone who is pathological in any persuit.

    Michael Jordan is a perfect example – his competitiveness on the court led him to wealth, fame and glory – his name will be synonymous with basketball for years. But, his inability to manage it off the court cost him millions of dollars, to his and his family’s detriment.

    A person will more willpower would have been better able to manage themselves.

    The link that you have a problem with is undeniable. But recognizing what it actually is changes with every player. I don’t think that many people actually understand it for any one player, let alone all of them.

  68. Captain Obvious says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I don’t disagree. My point was that using the #1 pick on Ryan Murray would be a horrible use of resources. It wasn’t that Ryan Murray wouldn’t be a useful NHL hockey player.

  69. regwald says:

    The point I see not being made is just because these players were out past curfew may not have anything to do with a drinking problem. Maybe it was nothing more than the pursuit of two hot chicks for the night, or drinking and sharing stories of the homeland.

    It was not a good choice by the two players in that it broke team rules and as far as showing dedication to the team it makes you question their sincerity. I heard that in 2006 Smith called out a couple of players (I think Stoll and Torres) about their dedication and not partying the night before a game, etc.

    The other part is how many men at some point in their life didn’t go to work on 4 hours of sleep (or less) some time during their lives. The other point to note that they have a morning skate and then a pre-game nap, etc. which really puts them in good stead for being rested enough for the game (in theory).

    Given all that, they broke curfew. Suspending them seems a bit harsh unless this was episode 2 or 3 or 4 … but then, who knows what the internal team rules dictate ?

  70. commonfan14 says:

    Jordan: But, his inability to manage it off the court cost him millions of dollars, to his and his family’s detriment.

    This is a ridiculous statement. The amounts he lost gambling over the years were perfectly manageable based on his net worth.

    You make it sound like he’s broke and in rehab or something. Last time I checked, he’s a multi-millionaire many times over with an ownership stake in a team.

  71. commonfan14 says:

    regwald: Given all that, they broke curfew.

    Why do grown men have a curfew in the first place? What’s next, is Burgess Meredith going to tell them they can’t sleep with their wives during the playoffs because women weaken legs?

  72. hockeyguy10 says:

    Off topic,but it looks like the Oilers aren’t the only team that don’t have a perfect track record on diagnosing injuries. And I don’t think Gary Roberts is on the Canuck GM’s Christmas card list anymore.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabres-nhl/article834441.ece

  73. DBO says:

    Anyone have a feed for the canada exhibition game at the whc that started at 2?

  74. DBO says:

    or forget it, it’s over. right.

  75. FPB94 says:

    These guys didn’t do crack or rape a girl.

    They went forth into the night.

    And then the Preds found a scapegoat for their loss. One of them who kept them in the game and played a good game. That’s just stupid. Punish the guys who play bad, not the ones who look bad.

    Good Ol’ Karl Malone was a good boy, he went to bed early, went to church and all that fuzz.

    He got outhustled by the bad man who went partying all night, every single game.

  76. Ducey says:

    FPB94:

    These guys didn’t do crack or rape a girl.

    They went forth into the night.

    And then the Preds found a scapegoat for their loss. One of them who kept them in the game and played a good game. That’s just stupid. Punish the guys who play bad, not the ones who look bad.

    Good Ol’ Karl Malone was a good boy, he went to bed early, went to church and all that fuzz.

    He got outhustled by the bad man who went partying all night, every single game.

    Citing cases where bad people won and good people lost misses the point.

    GM’s and coaches get paid to make sure people buy into the team so they play as a group. Meeting curfew is a commitment you make to your teammates to be ready to play.

    If a coach lets bad people do bad things and they lose, the coach inevitably gets blamed.

    I applaud what NSH did. Its a rare sign of integrity.

  77. FPB94 says:

    No. Integrity would have been punishing those who played a bad game,

    That’s just easy-ass scapegoating.

  78. Lowetide says:

    Name me a person who can handle being a millionaire superstar at a young age and I’ll show you someone special.

    And boring.

  79. stevezie says:

    Also, while he has been good all season, Radulov sucked that game. I’m sure that was a factor.

  80. FPB94 says:

    Steve: True. Kostitsyn played a good game tough.

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