“HE APPROVES OF THE JOB HE’S DONE”

It seems like only yesterday that Kevin Lowe and Kevin Prendergast welcomed Sam Gagner to the Oilers. So much has happened since then, and the rebuild is considered a success by the only constituent that really matters: Daryl Katz.

Terry Jones has an article up today with some words from Kevin Lowe. Jones quotes Lowe specifically in regard to the owner’s opinion of Steve Tambellini:

  • “He approves of the job he’s done.”

Tambellini’s positives might include the amateur procurement department’s success, the Barons in the AHL and the lack of long term contracts since the Souray-Khabibulin era. Much of the negative has to do with constantly offloading useful players for picks and prospects, but the quote from Lowe suggests the frustration felt by the fanbased stops well short of the owner’s front door.

Jones also posted an interesting quote in regard to the #1 overall pick:

  • “If you are picking lower than No. 1 in the draft I think you can look at organizational needs but if you’re No. 1 you have to pick the guy who you think is going to be the best player 10 years down the road. We’ve told our scouts to come out of their meetings and come out and tell us who they think will be the best player in the next 10 years.”

Here’s my take. The Oilers are going to select Nail Yakupov. Based on all we know–the value of scoring, the length of time it takes for a defenseman to develop, the difficulty in procuring elite offense players outside of drafting them #1 overall, everything points to Yakupov.

I think the Oilers will draft the Russian based on this quote. Based on ALL of the scouting reports we’ve read, based on math and NHLE and all of the information available, Nail Yakupov is the #1 overall prospect.

Knowing this, and reading the quote, how can we reach another conclusion?

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  1. regwald says:

    I am happy to see that quote. I can take a breath again because all this nonsense about trading down and taking a defenceman worried me.

    But what will Tambo do to procure that NHL defenceman so desperately needed ?

  2. godot10 says:

    Won’t Nail Yakupov will be in the KHL in 10 years? -).-).-).

  3. regwald says:

    The Real KHL

    Doesn’t seem to be the best place to be …

  4. Zack says:

    If we do select Yakupov, the Oilers will become more offensively potent, there’s little doubt about that. However I still think we lack size and more importantly, sandpaper, up front. Hall is a decent size and he can throw the body, Ebs and especially Yak are supposedly built like fire hydrants and if the Nuge puts on +20-30lbs these next couple of years he should be alright but it’s still not in the nature of most these kids to be physical (maybe Hall and Yak). Like I mentioned in my rebuild series (link below) I think we need to acquire a Scott Hartnell, Steve Downie or Troy Brouwer type player in our top six. These guys can be a gamble but relatively cheap if you buy low.

    http://forum.puttingonthefoil.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=864

  5. godot10 says:

    Zack:
    If we do select Yakupov, the Oilers will become more offensively potent, there’s little doubt about that. However I still think we lack size and more importantly, sandpaper, up front. Hall is a decent size and he can throw the body, Ebs and especially Yak are supposedly built like fire hydrants and if the Nuge puts on +20-30lbs these next couple of years he should be alright but it’s still not in the nature of most these kids to be physical (maybe Hall and Yak). Like I mentioned in my rebuild series (link below) I think we need to acquire a Scott Hartnell, Steve Downie or Troy Brouwer type player in our top six. These guys can be a gamble but relatively cheap if you buy low.

    http://forum.puttingonthefoil.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=864

    I disagree with the premise. A better defence (and puck-moving defence) will make the Oilers offense more potent. If Yakupov doesn’t receive accurate forward passes, he will just be another smallish forward.

  6. Maverick says:

    “Knowing this, and reading the quote, how can we reach another conclusion?”

    Because we are also talking about the Oilers and Kevin Lowe as I recall KLowe also said “expect the unexpected” that phrase still scares the crap out of me!

    I hope they pick Yakupov or Galchenyuk in June, if not this may be 1995 all over again, Crowd chanting “Doan! Doan!” and the Oilers call out ….. “from the prince albert raiders Steve Kelly!” Yikes!!!!

  7. DBO says:

    Does anyone know if Sutter is a “traditional 4 line” coach, with 2 scoring, one checking and one energy/grinder line? If not, i truly hope and pray for the mythical “3 scoring lines”. Why would we not. Stop trying to be something we are not and embrace what we are (which currently is just plain shitty).

    Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
    MPS/Harski-Nuge-Eberle
    Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
    Eager-Belanger-Jones

    To make it work best, we need D who can pass the puck to these guys in stride, and this should be the most important issue this summer. Shultz will help, but he will still not be ready for big minutes., so pair him with Whitney on the 3rd pairing and 1st PP. They need another good dman who can actually play. Maybe it’s Zanon (funny, been 3 straight years of this blog promoting him). 2 real dmen, Dubnyk progression and less use of Bulin, and a focus on speed and pressure (which we can do with our personnel, yes we won’t be physical, but we can pressure and create turnovers) and we have a slight chance at playoffs.

  8. Jordan says:

    Knowing this, and reading the quote, how can we reach another conclusion?

    LT, you are forgetting the most important quote out there about how the Oilers do business.

    “…the way it is in Edmonton, it’s like communism here, its their way only.”
    – Mike Comrie crica 2004

    Sure, that would be the smart thing to do. But, considering who’s running the show here, and how ineffectively they have done so… how on earth could you think that they won’t do something remarkably stupid? … (more angry ranting about incompetant Oilers Management)…
    ———————-

    regwald:
    But what will Tambo do to procure that NHL defenceman so desperately needed ?

    The Oilers really don’t need to bring in anyone on D right now. If they take a F, Justin Schultz will appear like magic at Rexall Place begging to let him sign here as a UFA so that the kids can pump his stats, for his FA cash-in in two years. so that we can have Schultz assing to Schultz.

    God I wish Rod would be calling that game…

    Also, so will Nick Lidstrom, Zach Parise and Darryl Sutter’s evil (good?) twin from an alternate reality.

    Just because if we’re living in a fantasy world, might as well go all the way with it.

  9. russ99 says:

    DBO:

    Do you see Smyth coming back next year? I can’t. He doesn’t want the cut in pay, and someone else may give him the salary he wants.

    And with a chunk of that $4.5M we can bring in that bigger sandpapery veteran with some skill to jump into the top 6.

    I love Smytty, but we need that guy more than a declining Ryan who’s running on vapors the last 20-30 games.

    If we can get Ryan re-signed for $1-1.5M, that’s great, but I don’t think he’d go for it.

  10. regwald says:

    Jordan,

    Ya, cause signing a college age dman is a much thought as Tambo can muster … before his brain explodes.

    Schultz to Schultz and deal Hemsky for another pick to draft another Ryan Murray and he’s done. LOL

  11. bookje says:

    Lowe said the same thing about drafting the best player about 6 weeks ago and yet everyone still feels the need to debate/discuss and diss the oilers for their desire to ‘draft for need’ or draft a d-man and to read a lot into little moves like inviting players to play in the World Championships.

    Yes, Tambellini has been a little vague, but that’s his style, he likes to mislead and misdirect. he thinks it gives him some kind of advantage (maybe someone will make him a crazy good deal for #1 overall), but they are drafting Nail OR trading the pick for a really great return. That is it.

  12. Rondo says:

    I find it odd there are quite a few people thinking we should pick Murray, according to the established experts he ranks anywhere from 2-10. He might not even be the highest ranked D-man among Defensemen.

    Why would you trade down to get a D-man who again among the experts is not a franchise type player.

    I’ve said it before if your going to trade your #1 and you want a D-man go then go after a young D in the NHL with potential. My choice is OEL, Phoenix needs scoring up front. You could trade the #1 pick + ? to Phoenix for OEL.

    This would make much more sense to me, and yes I realize how unlikely this scenario is, but worth a shot.

  13. Ribs says:

    “He’s a very good hockey man”

    Ooh, changed it up there a bit. Nice.

    Knowing this, and reading the quote, how can we reach another conclusion?

    Well, “down the road” could speak to a defenceman’s long journey to becoming useful. Not like those flash in the pan Russian forward kids¡

  14. Jordan says:

    Well, “down the road” could speak to a defenceman’s long journey to becoming useful. Not like those flash in the pan Russian forward kids¡

    Ribs,

    Ya just like that Malkin kid, or Kovalchuk. No sustain to their early success at all… All that’s left is for them to abandon their current teams and fly over to their home in the KHL.

    Ah sarcasm… how much better you make my day!

  15. spoiler says:

    So I take it Yak spent the weekend at the Katz Mansion and has received the imprimatur of Batman and young Robin?

  16. rickithebear says:

    This Site gives good draft trade reference:

    http://prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Years/index.htm

    Not to many #1 traded.

  17. TheOtherJohn says:

    If Lowe is speaking for the owner, the current managment group would have to screw up royally for there to be any management change forthcoming. Adequate improvment will be acceptable. At least Lowe seems to be saying they are picking BPA, thank God

    OEL showed last night what a 20 year old Stud D man can do in all situations. He played 32+ minutes and was real solid. He would be very very expensive to trade for and the Yotes GM is not, how does one say it, “intellectually challenged” enough to trade him cheap. Boyd Gordon was 15/18 for 83% in the face off dot

  18. TheOtherJohn says:

    Rickibear thanks for link to prosportstranscations site. Excellent!!

  19. spoiler says:

    Without knowing who the decision-maker was on every move, it’s tough to evaluate Tambo’s job. For eg, what if Khabby was Katz’ decision?

    Katz would have a much better perspective on this than we do.

    And I think if I’m management with a new owner who wants to play a bit with his toy… I let him! So he learns how easy it is to fuck things up and how difficult it is to overcome that error.

    We have no idea what has happened behind the Curtain. Down here in Southern Albetra, it’s well-known that ownership plays an active role in personnel decisions and organizational philosophy.

    It’s easy to blame Tambi, and part of his role is to be that target, the figurehead who spins, blends, and frappés the hot potato of the day, but we really don’t know who is doing what.

    At the end of the day, it matters not if we the fan are satisfied, it all comes down to Katz. But I can’t imagine he enjoys missing the playoffs. It’s gotta be more personal with him than even with the most rabid fan. This is his baby.

  20. spoiler says:

    spoiler:
    We have no idea what has happened behind the Curtain. Down here in Southern Albetra, it’s well-known that ownership plays an active role in personnel decisions and organizational philosophy.

    That should say “Flame ownership”.

  21. gd says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    If Lowe is speaking for the owner, the current managment group would have to screw up royally for there to be any management change forthcoming. Adequate improvment will be acceptable.At least Lowe seems to be saying they are picking BPA, thank God

    OEL showed last night what a 20 year old Stud D man can do in all situations. He played 32+ minutes and was real solid. He would be very very expensive to trade for and the Yotes GM is not, how does one say it, “intellectually challenged” enough to trade him cheap. Boyd Gordon was 15/18 for 83% in the face off dot

    I still think Phx is a situattion to keep a close eye on for the next couple of months. Is it possible that the only reason the Jamieson deal was announced was because the NHL wanted to make sure a potential Stanley Cup winner didn’t move the next month and now they are back on their way to Quebec, which could free up Tippett, Maloney and a lot of players. This plus the fact that they have so little scoring and such D depth makes them the perfect trading partner for the Oil. OEL is perfect for here so I hope the discussion is at least held. Plus if they do stay in Phx they are in a win now or else scenario so could Hemsky get us Rundblad or Gormley? They do have a strong Czech contingent down there.

  22. spoiler says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    If Lowe is speaking for the owner, the current managment group would have to screw up royally for there to be any management change forthcoming. Adequate improvment will be acceptable.At least Lowe seems to be saying they are picking BPA, thank God

    OEL showed last night what a 20 year old Stud D man can do in all situations. He played 32+ minutes and was real solid. He would be very very expensive to trade for and the Yotes GM is not, how does one say it, “intellectually challenged” enough to trade him cheap. Boyd Gordon was 15/18 for 83% in the face off dot

    So, if they’re taking the BPA, the question becomes, “how does managment resolve the defense issues?”

    I now think there’s a very good possibility we will not have a first round pick in the 2013 draft.

    That’s our best asset that avoids the whack-a-mole game. That or they’re going all out for a free agent.

  23. Rondo says:

    In this 5year plan that seems to reset itself every year. There is no reason to go after a #1 D-man . Unless it is handed to you, and since this years draft have no franchise Dmen according to experts , we don’t have to chase our tail, we should pick Yakupov .

  24. Bar_Qu says:

    I think the Oilers will draft the Russian based on this quote. Based on ALL of the scouting reports we’ve read, based on math and NHLE and all of the information available, Nail Yakupov is the #1 overall prospect.

    I’m of two minds on this. One-Yakupov is inarguably the best forward/player in the draft and would be the best choice of the team drafting first overall. If the Oilers pick him, it would be a good thing.

    Two-if this is the outcome that develops, bookje will become insufferable. There is much about him not being right (again) that is desirable.

    Time will tell what we have to deal with. ;-)

  25. spoiler says:

    Vigneault and Gillis extended, as expected.

    But shame on that organization for letting them twist in the wind so long!¡!

  26. Cactus says:

    spoiler:
    Without knowing who the decision-maker was on every move, it’s tough to evaluate Tambo’s job.For eg, what if Khabby was Katz’ decision?

    Katz would have a much better perspective on this than we do.

    I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. I strongly believe the whale hunting of that offseason (Heatley incldued) was the attempt of a new, deep-pocketed owner trying to make a splash. While we’ll never know for sure, it would help explain why, at least rhetorically, Tambellini and Lowe have never thrown Khabby under the bus (I mean, aside from the fact that it’s counter-productive).

  27. Cactus says:

    It shouldn’t surprise any intelligent observer that Katz still has support for Tambellini. They (along with Lowe) make up the triumvirate that decided to go for a full rebuild. Leaving aside the question of whether this was a good idea (and I believe it was given the woeful state of the Oilers organization from the minors to the NHL), choosing to go the rebuild route bought Lowe and Tambellini lots of time. While some fans may want blood for so many years out of the playofs, I’m sure that Katz was well-briefed on the amount of losing that was inherent in this plan. He’s not going to fire Tambellini for a plan he helped author.

    That said, we’re probably at the turning point. The coach has been sacrificed and this is likely due to the fact that the plan was to see the Oilers improve more this year than they did. Tambellini’s out of fall guys though – he will be next if things don’t turn around.

  28. spoiler says:

    Cactus: I’ve been saying this for a couple years now.I strongly believe the whale hunting of that offseason (Heatley incldued) was the attempt of a new, deep-pocketed owner trying to make a splash.While we’ll never know for sure, it would help explain why, at least rhetorically, Tambellini and Lowe have never thrown Khabby under the bus (I mean, aside from the fact that it’s counter-productive).

    For sure, I agree with you, I’ve promulgated the same for some time now too.

    The one I don’t get is Gilbert straight across for Schultz.

    They could have kept Gilbert and signed a Hannan or an O’Brien or plucked any apple off that tree as a UFA this summer at lot easier than replacing Gilbert.

    And he goes back to the homeland. Hmmm…

    There’s a story behind that trade. And for the sake of Gilbert’s family’s privacy, perhaps it’s best we don’t know.

    I’m hoping that it’s because the Bra¡ntrust knows that Schultz wants to sign here, but I suspect the reasons are more tragic than that.

  29. Ducey says:

    I notice that NJ needs to forfeit a first rounder between now and 2014. Given that they will pick in the bottom 4, that might mean they decide this is the year to take the bullet. That would move the Oilers’ second rounder up to 31.

  30. cabbiesmacker says:

    I’d put the Oilers taking Yakupov at no higher than a 40% probability. I think the pick gets traded straight up for HELP NOW.

    As far as the Renney firing goes I feel kinda bad for the guy. He has more class in one finger than any of the three above him in the pecking order. How lovely for him to have been handed a team that can be best described as “bringing a knife to a gunfight.” (thank you Sean C.), and subsequently being fired for the results they posted.

    “Isn’t that just like the Oilers”

  31. russ99 says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    I agree that Renney was a much more a class guy than the 2-3 guys ahead of him in the Oiler org.

    But to keep the “knife to a gunfight” analogy – he didn’t realize they were outgunned and kept trying to use the same blunt knives.

    Also, I have much more trust in Yakupov becoming the 4th dynamic offensive talent on the team than I do the Oilers’ “braintrust” bringing back even remotely close to the same quality back in a deal.

  32. rickithebear says:

    spoiler: They could have kept Gilbert and signed a Hannan or an O’Brien or plucked any apple off that tree as a UFA this summer at lot easier than replacing Gilbert.

    Looked at the UFA Dmen available that had superior
    QComp and Defensive results.

    Gilbert types:
    with equal Offensive production High assist Dman:
    Colaiacovo
    Garrison
    Suter
    Kuba
    Carle
    Huskins
    Rozival
    Odulya
    Stuart
    Wideman
    Campoli

    Schultz types:
    Allen
    Jackman

    This Quote would seem to be Bulls…………… err smelly!

    Good shutdown Dman do not become available as UFA’s.
    Trading something more easily found for something that is hardly available.
    Schultz good
    murray,
    Mitchell,
    jackman,
    Scuderi,
    hainsey) shutdown dmen..

    Not
    hedja,
    Philips,
    Seidenberg,
    Methot,
    Staal good, Better.

    I am tired of this wasted miss informed Gilbert bravado!

  33. Cactus says:

    spoiler,

    There seem to be a few of us who don’t think Katz is some mysterious man, presiding from on high but with no input into the team and its actions.

    As for Gilbert for Schultz, I think they honestly believed that they needed a staunchly reliable stay-at-home type to offset the fact that the kids can’t play defence (yet). Perhaps they felt that Schultz was enough of an upgrade in his own zone that he’d offset the offensive losses. Unlike some, I don’t view this trade as #2 d-man for a #4-5. I’m curious to see what the results are this season as Schultz may show better with a bit more time (and likewise, Gilbert in Minnesota).

  34. cabbiesmacker says:

    russ99:
    cabbiesmacker,

    I agree that Renney was a much more a class guy than the 2-3 guys ahead of him in the Oiler org.

    But to keep the “knife to a gunfight” analogy – he didn’t realize they were outgunned and kept trying to use the same blunt knives.

    Also, I have much more trust in Yakupov becoming the 4th dynamic offensive talent on the team than I do the Oilers’ “braintrust” bringing back even remotely close to the same quality back in a deal.

    RUSS ?

    I feel we know one another well enough now that I shall call you Rusty.

    The only other choices he had were blunt popsicle sticks dude. Outside of over employing Lander at C what other choice did the guy have? You weren’t actually thinking MPs would have made a scintilla of difference to anything hockey related are ya? I’ve seen more sack from Gynecology Row at Showgirls.

    And all the handwringing over Laynuss? Well dude…some folks just need something to huff and puff over. The guys gone like skidmarks in a front load Maytag and it’s doubtful anyone will even notice.

  35. Mr DeBakey says:

    Cabbiesmaker, Raymond Chandler reborn

    Yeah that MPS, he’s a real Busted Flush

  36. Ducey says:

    Cabbie,

    I like Renney but he seemed to lack any kind of system. Most of the teams that made the playoffs seemed to have defensive first system designed to shut down the neutral zone. There are teams that try and forecheck and cycle down low. MacT used to have the rope a dope and allow teams to the outside but cover everyone in the middle in their own zone.

    I mean PHX has some nice players but it also has Poo, Brule and some scrubs playing lots of minutes and winning. Their success is almost all attributable to a system. What system did Renney employ? That diamond PK they tried a year ago was a disaster and they went more conventional and got better results. Other than this I don’t recall noting any kind of system the Oilers used 5 x 5. I don’t think there was one.

    Hopefully the new guy has a system that will allow the Oilers to play better defence and take advantage of turnovers.

  37. Ribs says:

    Listening to Renney Newser… “They’re good men” (referring to the Oilers players). Hee-hee. We need to start a drinking game with this.

  38. cabbiesmacker says:

    Mr DeBakey:

    Yeah that MPS, he’s a real Busted Flush

    What he needs to do is bust his cherry along the boards some day DeBakes. Either that or move to centre where his lack of physicality won’t be a factor. I actually think the kid might be decent there. Has the wheels and defensive acumen and his wingers can provide the scoring talent he lacks.

  39. cabbiesmacker says:

    What he needs to do is BUST his cherry along the boards some day DeBakes. Either that or move to centre where his lack of physicality won’t be a factor. I actually think the kid might be decent there. Has the wheels and defensive acumen and his wingers can provide the scoring talent he lacks.

  40. Ribs says:

    Hah damn…there it is a again *drinks*

  41. Ribs says:

    Now Sutter’s a good man..*drinks*

  42. spoiler says:

    Cactus:
    spoiler,

    There seem to be a few of us who don’t think Katz is some mysterious man, presiding from on high but with no input into the team and its actions.

    As for Gilbert for Schultz, I think they honestly believed that they needed a staunchly reliable stay-at-home type to offset the fact that the kids can’t play defence (yet).Perhaps they felt that Schultz was enough of an upgrade in his own zone that he’d offset the offensive losses.Unlike some, I don’t view this trade as #2 d-man for a #4-5.I’m curious to see what the results are this season as Schultz may show better with a bit more time (and likewise, Gilbert in Minnesota).

    I don’t view the trade that way either, and I agree that the Oil were looking for some safe options when the game was on the line, at the end of periods, on the PK etc.

    But that could’ve been added through the FA market and Gilbert retained. I just have this feeling there’s something more there. Maybe if he hadn’t been traded to Minnie, I’d feel differently…

    The Oil did as well as they could (I suspect) and traded for the right type of chess piece (IMO), but that wasn’t a trade that was by any means urgent, considering their position in the standings on deadline day.

  43. godot10 says:

    @ricoh looks like green in, between mps n harty

  44. godot10 says:

    Nick Schultz is mentor/prototype for young d of how to do things right

  45. DSF says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    What he needs to do is BUST his cherry along the boards some day DeBakes. Either that or move to centre where his lack of physicality won’t be a factor. I actually think the kid might be decent there. Has the wheels and defensive acumen and his wingers can provide the scoring talent he lacks.

    Of course, a more profitable strategy would be to acquire a centre who has wheels, defensive acumen AND some scoring talent. (face-off ability would be a bonus).

    Someone like Jarret Stoll…who just happens to be UFA.

    So are Jokinen, Hudler, Brodziak, Slater and Gaustad.

    Why spend years developing a third line centre when they are readily available every off season?

    Another issue with Paajarvi at centre is where do you play him?

    With Hopkins, Gagner, Horcoff and Belanger in the mix, there is no room unless you find a new home for Gagner or Belanger and then I doubt you’re any further ahead in any case.

  46. spoiler says:

    Is Abney still in the line up?

    godot10:
    Nick Schultz is mentor/prototype for young d of how to do things right

    Among many other things.

  47. godot10 says:

    Grant ,green in for abnry, hamilton

  48. godot10 says:

    10 min in okc with edge in play again but no results again

  49. godot10 says:

    Bummer bad guys score

  50. oilswell says:

    Knowing this, and reading the quote, how can we reach another conclusion?

    I think your interpretation is likely correct, but if you really want to twist the words to mean the opposite, a pretty reasonable argument awaits. It hinges on the length of time they are asking. Ten years?

    Seriously? As a drafting organization you’re saying that there is a good chance that player A can be leading player B after 9 years (call it 27 years old) but at that magical 10th year suddenly player B pulls ahead and is better in years 28 to, let us be generous, 36 years old? The list of oddities is significant:

    1. How likely is such a thing? A year 10 flip flop in player quality?

    2. How is it possible that they can ascertain with any degree of certainty that player A was going to ultimately be better than B ten years out? 2 years, 5 years, maybe we can agree they can project that. But they can see in the future 10 years? What kind of statement is that? Can anyone really believe it or be willing to put money against the surer immediate thing?

    3. If it really takes that long to separate, and if player A was better than B for 9 years but switch for 9 years (age 27-36), is it really such an organizational failure to take A?

    If they had said the better player in 6 years, would it really have made a difference? In what years would, say, the top 5 draft selections see a reversal in re-draft order after year 6? I’m guessing few to none. So why 10 years? I can see three possibilities:

    1. They’re just talking crap without really thinking about that beforehand. So they’ll be taking Yakupov.

    2. They actually define BPA as the best player 10 years out and there’s no ulterior motive to saying that at this year’s draft. So they’ll be taking Yakupov.

    3. They’re setting the groundwork for the decade of public denials and apologetics while Yakupov greatly outplays whomever they are picking.

  51. godot10 says:

    After one, 1-0 marilee, shots 13-5 okc

  52. spoiler says:

    Wow. This Memorial Cup is really revealing what a joke video review can be. The same bloody ref too.

    Does the NHL use the same process?

  53. bookje says:

    Bar_Qu:

    Two-if this is the outcome that develops, bookje will become insufferable. There is much about him not being right (again) that is desirable.

    Time will tell what we have to deal with.

    Excuse me, but I am pretty certain that I have achieved insufferablity long ago and I don’t take kindly to suggestions that I have not.

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