NAIL, RYAN AND GRIFFIN

What a crazy spring. We’re 41 days from the Entry Draft and if we simply read the tea leaves it is down to three names: Nail, another Ryan and Griffin. Can it be this simple? And complicated?

Edmonton has been sending native sons to the NHL since Neil Colville, and Johnny Bucyk (in photo) was one of the all-time best. The “Edmonton Express” Eddie Shore was actually born in Fort Qu’Appelle, Saskatchewan but made his name courtesy a stunning performance for the Edmonton Eskimos in 1925-26.

Ryan Murray is from White City, down the road apiece from Fort Qu’Appelle. I don’t know that there’s a connection, save for the fact that hard nosed hockey still exists on the wide open prairie.

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It got a little wild this week. David Staples wrote an article based on a Bob Stauffer interview in which the word “the” may or may not have actually  been the word “a” and that my friends was the topic of a long discussion. Either way, this first overall lead up is not close to being similar to the last two; one of the main differences is that we know the team (or at least they’ve led us to believe) loves Ryan Murray and Griffin Reinhart. Nail? Nail is a player available in the draft.

It’s kind of funny. If you google ‘Edmonton Oilers Griffin Reinhart’ you get 23 results in the news file. If you google ‘Edmonton Oilers Nail Yakupov’ there are 84 results.

Ryan Murray? 122.

This week’s episode is devoted to NHL Numbers and the new innovations. Your questions are welcome via email at nationradio@theteam1260.com and you can leave comments below. Also, twitter works @lowetide_ Scheduled to appear:

  • Derek Zona, managing editor of Copper and Blue who (these are the direct words of Wanye via his Manor) will be heading up the new initiative. If you’re on twitter, you must follow Derek for his avatar alone. Sam Gagner and I do.
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  • Cam Charron, another big brain signed up for NHL numbers. Cam is young and funny, but has a strange attachment to Hootie and the Blowfish.
  • Thomas Drance from Canucks Army. Thomas continues to run of big brains and is probably the one Canuck commentator who sees the team through the cold grey of dawn. Or something like that.
  • Benjamin Massey writes for Copper and Blue and 86 forever. We had him on last week but the call was cut off when Benjamin’s RocknRolla lifestyle took over the moment.
  • Corey Graham from the Edmonton Oil Kings will tee up G6 and what might be a championship evening.

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93 Responses to "NAIL, RYAN AND GRIFFIN"

  1. sliderule says:

    So what do you make of our two brain trusts vacationing in Europe while the Howson is interviewing Yakopov?

  2. Lowetide says:

    sliderule:
    So what do you make of our two brain trusts vacationing in Europe while the Howson is interviewing Yakopov?

    My guess? they’ve already decided. EVERYTHING they do tells us that they are:

    1. Waiting on a big name coach to fall from the sky.
    2. Are luke warm on Yakupov
    3. Are strong on Ryan Murray
    4. Are almost as strong on Griffin Reinhart.

    Maybe it’s a mirage, maybe they’re going to take Yalupov. But if I were a betting man, the chances of the Oilers dealing down while staying inside the top 5 are extreme.

  3. Woodguy says:

    The difference between this draft and the last two is that there is a clear #1.

    When you review what people who study the draft for a living (or its a part of their living) have said about the last 3 drafts, you get this:

    2010 – Hall and Seguin were neck and neck. 1 and 1a, then a big drop off

    2011 – RNH, Landeskog and Larsson were all at one time considered the #1 on various lists

    2012 – Yakupov. That’s it. All lists show Yakupov as #1. Red Line report says Yakupov, then a drop off and the next 7 picks could go in any order

    If the Oilers don’t take Yakupov, the will think themselves as not smarter than everyone in the room, but everyone who looks at the draft. When you ask the audience, usually you get the right answer.

    A wise man related a story about the NFL draft to me once.

    Minnesota was picking 6th or so and their biggest need was at WR. The highest rated WR was rated about 18th in the draft.

    They walked up to the podium and called out the WR’s name.

    The ESPN cameras cut to Mel Kiper for the his comment on the pick and he states:

    “The Minnesota Viking don’t know how the draft works”

    I pray to the hockey gods that the Edmonton Oilers know how the draft works.

  4. Lowetide says:

    WG: I don’t think there’s a publication alive that has someone above Nail. We’ll talk about it today on the show, but the Oilers (imo) believe that this is their last best chance to get a franchise defender. And hey, this line from Robin Brownlee’s item on ON courtesy MBS is a very interesting quote:

    ‘‘I see a big guy who moves the puck smartly, intelligently. Really good offense and a helluva shot. He’s doing nothing but getting better. In the playoffs, he’s added an edge. If there was any questions in regard to his intensity, he certainly, in my mind, has taken that away.”

    That’s MacGregor on Griffin Reinhart.

  5. Woodguy says:

    Also,

    With all the hand wringing about MPS yesterday, think on this.

    Even with spending most of last year in the minors and having a terrible NHL season, MPS:

    1) Ranks 10th in NHL points from his draft class (where he was taken 10th)
    2) Ranks 6th in NHL points in forwards from his draft class

    A little early to be throwing around “bust”

    I lay last year at the feet of Renney and Smyth. (and MPS himself of course)

    I like Smyth, but it was a “re-building” year, so adding him to the roster essentially took MPS’s spot.

    A coach will generally always play what he sees as the best option and a vet like Smyth ate MPS’s lunch.

    (aside: this is why Renney lost me in his Khabby deployment. Is he so blind that he couldn’t see how terrible Khabby was until February??)

    My problem is the team was designed to be bad again, so why take away at-bats from a guy who is part of the future for a guy who is near the end of his career.

    No wonder v4.0 dragged his ass on the trade and was rumored to have to be told to make the trade because he didn’t want to.

    I see his point.

    If Smyth comes back it better be as 3LW with 10 as C and 91 getting cherry time with 93/14 or 89/83.

  6. Woodguy says:

    LT,

    Trading down and losing Yakupov to get something like Schenn and Reinhart might blow the brains out of the organziation for a while. It has the chance to be an Epic Fail on the level of turning the #1 into Patrik Stephan.

    It may work out as well, but Lordy, take the consensus #1 and re-evaluate the roster from there.

    Some say Yak projects better than Hall FFS.

    Also,

    Pretty stoked about the new NHL Numbers.

    That’s a pretty excellent list of fancystat guys from across the spectrum.

    Excited to use it as a resource and watch them grow.

  7. Lowetide says:

    WG: Agree on Paajarvi, he has a solid future. As for Nail, i keep wondering about Burke.There’s a chance to make a big splash, and that’s what he longs for.

  8. Marc says:

    Lowetide: 1. Waiting on a big name coach to fall from the sky.
    2. Are luke warm on Yakupov
    3. Are strong on Ryan Murray
    4. Are almost as strong on Griffin Reinhart.

    Maybe it’s a mirage, maybe they’re going to take Yalupov. But if I were a betting man, the chances of the Oilers dealing down while staying inside the top 5 are extreme.

    WIth all due respect LT, I disagree. There is absolutely nothing in the Oilers draft record under Tambellini/Stu that suggests:
    - they won’t take the top rated player. They’ve had two first overall picks and both times they picked the guy most people had rated first overall.
    - they’ll draft for position over talent. They didn’t take Seguin the big center over Hall the winger and they didn’t take Larsson the stud D over RNH the small forward. Also, the team president probably remembers what happened when they didn’t take Parise because they thought they had too many small forwards in the organisation.
    - they’ll draft someone significantly higher than where everyone else has him, even if they think he’s better than his ranking. They had Gernat rated as a high second round pick (35th overall) and waitied until the 5th round to take him. Also, the team president probably remembers what happened when they thought they’d outsmarted everone by taking this Finnish guy in the first round.

    If I were a betting man, my money would be on the Oilers taking BPA and that player being Yakupov.

  9. Lowetide says:

    Marc: WIth all due respect LT, I disagree.There is absolutely nothing in the Oilers draft record under Tambellini/Stu that suggests:
    - they won’t take the top rated player.They’ve had two first overall picks and both times they picked the guy most people had rated first overall.
    - they’ll draft for position over talent. They didn’t take Seguin the big center over Hall the winger and they didn’t take Larsson the stud D over RNH the small forward. Also, the team president probably remembers what happened when they didn’t take Parise because they thought they had too many small forwards in the organisation.
    - they’ll draft someone significantly higher than where everyone else has him, even if they think he’s better than his ranking.They had Gernat rated as a high second round pick (35th overall) and waitied until the 5th round to take him. Also, the team president probably remembers what happened when they thought they’d outsmarted everone by taking this Finnish guy in the first round.

    If I were a betting man, my money would be on the Oilers taking BPA and that player being Yakupov.

    Here’s hoping you are correct.

  10. Woodguy says:

    Marc: WIth all due respect LT, I disagree.There is absolutely nothing in the Oilers draft record under Tambellini/Stu that suggests:
    - they won’t take the top rated player.They’ve had two first overall picks and both times they picked the guy most people had rated first overall.
    - they’ll draft for position over talent. They didn’t take Seguin the big center over Hall the winger and they didn’t take Larsson the stud D over RNH the small forward. Also, the team president probably remembers what happened when they didn’t take Parise because they thought they had too many small forwards in the organisation.
    - they’ll draft someone significantly higher than where everyone else has him, even if they think he’s better than his ranking.They had Gernat rated as a high second round pick (35th overall) and waitied until the 5th round to take him. Also, the team president probably remembers what happened when they thought they’d outsmarted everone by taking this Finnish guy in the first round.

    If I were a betting man, my money would be on the Oilers taking BPA and that player being Yakupov.

    These are are really good points, and I hope they hold true.

    The only difference now is that with 2 #1′s on the roster with Eberle the Oilers may feel they are sufficiently stocked to forwards to pick for need.

    This is wrong, but that line of thinking may exist.

    The recent quotes from Lowe do nothing to dispel that notion either.

    I really hope you are right.

  11. Marc says:

    Lowetide:
    WG: Agree on Paajarvi, he has a solid future. As for Nail, i keep wondering about Burke.There’s a chance to make a big splash, and that’s what he longs for.

    As much as Burke likes making a splash, I think he has to make the playoffs next year to keep his job. How does trading up (and most likely giving up a significant asset to do so) to get an elite but undersized and one dimensional scoring winger, when he already has two other elite but undersized and one dimensional scoring wingers on the team, assuere him a spot in the playoffs?

    I just don’t see how Toronto makes sense as a trading partner.

  12. Oilogosphere.com says:

    You’re not seriously putting Griffin Reinhart in the top three on the Oilers list are you? The next coming of Tom Gilbert.

    Big but soft. Uses his stick over his body. Does nothing significant in a game.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Oilogosphere.com:
    You’re not seriously putting Griffin Reinhart in the top three are you? The next coming of Tom Gilbert.

    No, not at all. I’m saying the Oilers may trade down and select him. I don’t know that they would trade out of the top 5, though. And I do believe they would take him if he was the top guy on their list at that time.

  14. gd says:

    Yak is obviusly the 1st pick and if Murray was obviously the 2nd pick than I would be okay taking him, but he’s not.

    Scenarios I could accept the Oilers not getting Yak;

    OEL and if possible Hanzal from Phx

    Weber signed for at least 6 years for no more than $7.5

    Pacioretty and Eller and Mon’s pick

    I do think there is a scenario where CBJ trades Nash for Tor pick, which allows them to get Galchynyuk which allows them to trade Johansson and Tor pick for Yak

    The craziest scenario would be the Islanders giving us Tavares so they can get Yak and Gal. NYI would be crazy to do this but we are talking about the Islanders.it’s too bad Milbury still not there.

    I highly recommend the NHL Numbers podcast this week as they spent quite a bit of time with Corey Pronman on the Oiler’s choices . It is always good to get some Oiler discussion from a non Edmonton point of view.

  15. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    Though I agree that this draft is a no-brainier, the writing’s on the wall, I’m afraid. Unfortunately, SMB will end up taking the fall along with our GM of recommendations for another mistake by Lowe.

    What happens to the smartest man in the room on draft day? He walks away with Mark Scheifele instead of Sean Couturier.

  16. oilersfan says:

    I agree with Marc on both points. Toronto likely covets Galchenyuk more than Yakupov based on team needs.

    Also, as I have stated three days in a row:
    1) Tambellini does everything slow slow slow. We all know that. There is no way he has even decided yet.
    2) Macgregor does not go off thr board
    3) Lowetide before you write another column about how all the smoke shows the Oilers will pick Murray, re-read Matheson’s hockey world from 6 days ago. While the title praises Murray and Lowe’s comments about him, it goes on to say Lowe won’t override the scouts and that the scouts were meeting this weekend.

    My 10:1 bet for 10 bucks is still good Lowetide…the Oilers are picking Yakupov. I live in St Albert so we can meet anytime to get the bet going…

  17. TheOtherJohn says:

    Hate it when guys not smartest in room think they are. Have they looked at their accumulated professional life’s work? Forgot we’ve been trying to be bad while spending 95% to the cap.

    My Position would not change. If Oilers not blown away by the offer, select Yakupov. Problem i do not trust people assessing blown away. If we get Schenn and Toronto’s pick Lowe will have added to his stellar body of work. At least we will get to hear the “GM’s at worlds loved Schenn’s play there. Former top 1st rounder. Stevie Y loves him, etc

  18. nathan says:

    “the Oilers (imo) believe that this is their last best chance to get a franchise defender”

    Lowetide,

    They must not get out much if they truly believe that. The odds on even picking out the best defender from this draft 4 years out are worse than taking another elite forward and trading for balance when needed.

  19. Lowetide says:

    nathan:
    “the Oilers (imo) believe that this is their last best chance to get a franchise defender”

    Lowetide,

    They must not get out much if they truly believe that. The odds on even picking out the best defender from this draft 4 years out are worse than taking another elite forward and trading for balance when needed.

    History tells us exactly that, and of course the Oilers can acquire a defenseman via trade (they’ll certainly have enough elite offensive talent). It’s certainly going to be an interesting draft.

  20. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    WG: Agree on Paajarvi, he has a solid future. As for Nail, i keep wondering about Burke.There’s a chance to make a big splash, and that’s what he longs for.

    I’m a little worried about MPS myself. The knock on him during his draft year was his finishing ability and offensive upside. Woodguy’s our resident expert on plywood here. Are his hands made of this stuff?

    Cogliano was supposed to project as a Marchant with hands according to some. MPS is sort of like a bigger Cogliano who plays wing and seems to have even less offense upside.

    Lordy, MPS can skate and he has a decent sized body. He cheats for defense too. Given that he seems to have all the tools including good puck handling skills and attitude, are we then left to wonder if he has a 10 cent head or just Marchant hands?

    Shawn Belle was a curious guy. Huge, strong, great mobility and above average puck handling skills… Yet nowhere near NHL calibre despite having all the tools.

  21. Rondo says:

    Still thinking Oilers will take Yakupov, ideally taken him at the #2 spot and then trying for another top 8 pick trying for either Griffin or Rielly

  22. oilersfan says:

    My take on Stauffer’s recent comments is that he came out of the chute raving about Yakupov and how the Oilers HAD to take him, how he was like Bure and Kharlamov, how only one lottery pick forward in 14 years was a bust but several dmen were etc etc

    Then he had Tambellini in and he said they were very early in the process but hadn’t come close to deciding yet.then Stu came on and said the same thing. So I think either Staffer decided on his own to back off on Yakupov being a sure thing or he was told to, just to give the team some flexibility so they wouldn’t be painted in a corner by their colour commentator.

    So to me Stauffer was probably told to cool it so they could do their due diligence.

    Now we are all getting our panties in a bunch for nothing, because when the process is over there is now way they don’t take Yakupov.

  23. Rondo says:

    Seth Jones if you are a pessimist

    Ryan Pulock if you are a optimist

  24. nathan says:

    Lowetide,

    Of course they won`t touch any of the 3 soon to be 4 young guns until the ground breaks on the arena, and they really should try every other option before giving up one of the 4 a few years from now.

    But real NHL owners and real NHL GM`s would not be afraid of moving ONE out of FOUR fan faves for the right D. Hell a good GM would be so unsentimental he`d trade Yakupov with his Oiler`s sweater on if the D they like fell far enough and someone offered an elite young D and the on the clock pick for Yakupov plus.

    Just take Yakupov until you actually work out something involving a D who`s played a game in the NHlL

  25. Ducey says:

    I don’t think we have heard Tambo talking up anyone, and he is so deliberate that he probably stands in the aisle at Safeway for 10 minutes deciding which brand of TP to purchase, and then drives over to Superstore to see how they compare.

    Last year people were all worked up because the Oilers were going to trade their ’12 #1 to move up. They didn’t. They were going to trade Hemsky, they didn’t. They were not going to trade for Smyth, they did.

    Its very, very, very unlikely they have decided on their pick. They will let the scouts figure it out, go to the combine, have one or two prospects over for dinner, maybe even talk to their team of numbers guys, talk to the scouts some more, and then, and only then, will they decide. Then they will entertain offers, and then they will pick Nail.

    You can’t read someone’s tea leaves when they have not even started drinking their tea.

  26. Ryan says:

    oilersfan,

    No one’s going to take those odds against the Oilers picking the consensus #1 pick.

    As for the Oilers management, the Rosetta Stone for understanding their decisions is found in the book, “Sway: The Irresistible Pull of Irrational Behavior.”

    I read it back in ’09 and still have a copy. Even JW mentioned it recently in one of his blogs.

    Imagine if you’re a former NHL defenseman… the President of HO…have 6 cup rings… a GM of recommendations working under you… Your team has a dire need for a franchise defenseman…

    How do you not pick the kid that you not only display some serious man love for, but of whom YOUR name is thrown around in conversations about a comp?

  27. Woodguy says:

    I’m still holding out hope based on the fact that Lowe loves skill and has said many times that skill trumps all.

    MPS’ hands are fine

    From my observation the problems is he thinks too much and doesn’t have the offensive auto pilot that many do to get the puck off quickly .

    That can be fixed.

  28. nathan says:

    How do you not pick the kid that you not only display some serious man love for, but of whom YOUR name is thrown around in conversations about a comp?

    Ryan,

    An owner who greets you at the airport and says hope you had fun revisiting your youth, but the arena deal needs your undivided attention for the next 2 months.

  29. Zack says:

    If there’s another season of Oil change hopefully they include the draft stuff, seriously that’s the only reason I watch the show. Should make for some decent TV.

    I think Yakupov is on par with Hall in terms of boxcars, if not slightly better. I’ve read somewhere (haven’t checked yet) that he’s also pretty close to Stamkos numbers as well. If everything projects well, having a guy like that on your roster for just one year I have a feeling he’d garner more value and be able to pick up more than he would if we were to trade down on draft day.

    Personally, from what I’ve seen and read I feel, Murray has a lower ceiling than Larsson, almost like a Larrson lite in terms of play and stature and projections. I may be wrong but I get the impression the top D prospect(s) in this draft don’t quite stack up to the top D prospects from last years draft. Larsson has been noted as possible “Franchise” player material where all I’ve heard for Murray is possible top pairing D man.

    I really hope the Oilers let Stu do his job and pick the best player at number one. It sounds like next year the choice will sure be a lot easier, at least in terms of pedigree, with MacKinnon and Jones.

  30. Lowetide says:

    Paajarvi got a push in year one, and a seat right by the swinging kitchen doors the next year. I don’t think there’s much doubt coach Renney lost him, hell Renney said as much. He was diddling about in that winning streak and Paajarvi and Omark kept wearing sideburns.

  31. sliderule says:

    I was looking at my coffee grounds and they told me Stu thinks Murray is the no one.

    I can see some of the reasons for this

    After the injury Yakupov fell off.If he had finished the year like the first half there would be absolutely no question.

    There are major question marks about Grigs and Forsberg.

    Murray finished the year with a strong playoff after recovering from his own injury.

    Yakupov shouldnt have come back so soon from his concussion as I have read it really affected the way he played.

    I would still take him as he has a huge upside.

  32. PunjabiOil says:

    You can’t read someone’s tea leaves when they have not even started drinking their tea.

    LAWLLLLL.

    Witty line.

    The Oilers keep things close to their chest. While the media was fretting the Oilers taking Seguin over Hall back in 2010, Lowe remarked after the draft that they had made up their decision on Hall back in May 2010, and the play-up was a smokescreen.

    Honestly seems like the media is making too much out of Kevin Lowe’s comments on Murray. Staples misquoted Lowe a few days ago. Further, what is Lowe supposed to say when media is fishing for compliments at the World’s for Ryan Murray?

  33. Ryan says:

    nathan,

    I don’t usually jump on Lowetide’s tea leave bandwagon, but have this time. :)

    After all, his tea leave reading ability lost all credibility for me in the past when he felt the trade winds blowing. Probably just because they should have been, but weren’t.

    Not many things in the Oilers org show deliberate intention and purpose with the notable exception of their PR machine.

    I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but my Earl Grey is telling me that the Oilers PR machine is pumping up Murray’s tires to make his selection palatable for the fan base.

    Keep in mind that though there are many fans like those here who spend what some would consider an inordinate amount time thinking about an analyzing the team, they’re are plenty of PAYING fans who don’t.

    To any typical Oilers blogger or regular LT reader, the Khabibulin singing was a debacle of monumental proportions (at the time of signing).

    To some of my friends who’re average run of the mill hockey fans who buy tickets (unlike myself lately), Khabibulin’s a veteran goalie with a cup ring and recognizable name.

  34. Semenko and Troy says:

    Anticipating that Whitney, Smyth, Gagner, and Hemsky and their salaries could all be off the books in the next two years or sooner, go after both Garrison and Carle even if it’s an overpay. It’s a huge fix for our D and blunts the necessity for Murray.

    Draft Yakupov and build/develop the rest of the pieces accordingly.

  35. Rondo says:

    LT,

    The idea that Ryan Murray looks good at the Worlds is a joke, even a layman knows he is playing scared.

    Don’t get me wrong I don’t know an player without NHL experience that would look good for Canada.

    I find the hype as a deliberate act by the Oilers and the press. My spider senses are tingling.

    Any thoughts?

  36. Ryan says:

    nathan:
    How do you not pick the kid that you not only display some serious man love for, but of whom YOUR name is thrown around in conversations about a comp?

    Ryan,

    An owner who greets you at the airport and says hope you had fun revisiting your youth, but the arena deal needs your undivided attention for the next 2 months.

    Nathan, that’s actually a great way of summing up the motivation for potential bias. In Murray, Lowe probably does have a chance to relive his youth.

    Unfortunately, with your framework, there’s someone else who has a chance to relive his youth which might give Lowe the leverage needed to pick Murray. Katz is well-known to be a fan of the boys on the bus.

    We’ve already got arguably a poor man’s Gretzky, Kurri, and Messier (not to diminish the talent of our chosen ones, but they’re still not 99,11, and 17)

  37. Ducey says:

    The real story at this time is Justin Schultz. If ANA is going to trade him, they would need to move him in the next week or so, so that the new team would have time to sign him by June 1.

    I don’t get the impression Tambo is in there pitching.

    Maybe there is no point if Schultz is determined to go to freeagency, but this has to be a priority.

    Schultz and the Nail would consititute a successful offseason by themselves.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    LT,

    The idea that Ryan Murray looks good at the Worlds is a joke, even a layman knows he is playing scared.

    Don’t get me wrong I don’t know an player without NHL experience that would look good for Canada.

    I find the hypeas a deliberate act by the Oilers and the press.My spider senses are tingling.

    Any thoughts?

    Honestly? I don’t think they see Yakupov as Hall’s or Nuge’s equal. Maybe it’s the knee and maybe it’s time on ice (please please please give us CHL TOI) but there’s something there.

    Nail at evens this season: 42, 18-22-40 .952
    Hall at evens in 09-10: 57gp, 22-33-55 .965

    If they were on the ice the same amount of time at evens, this is a very close race.

  39. Jon K says:

    Just for fun and only tangentially related to the topic of today’s post:

    http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CFkQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrZxNeFLuY98&ei=vZOuT4j9AqG8iwLhkLnuAw&usg=AFQjCNFAZOlVgW2OXVBrR-bHDtv3Uficag

    —–

    Tambellini: The Edmonton Oilers are proud to select first overall, from the Everett Silvertips, defenceman…

    Draft audience: OH NOOO!

  40. Rondo says:

    Premise#1: I want Yakupov

    Premise #2: I want another top 8 pick.

    How do I achieve these premises?

    Perhaps I make it look like I want Murray because I know Columbus wants him, therefore I can trade down to the #2 pick and also get X from Columbus.

    Using the X Columbus gave to Edmonton I trade that with another X to get into the top 8 pick

    I’m sure there are hundreds of potential deals that never happen, but I think this is 1 scenario .

  41. Lowetide says:

    jon k: Classic! I remember that Mel Kiper moment, killer. GREAT televsion. Unlike mlb’s draft experiences, where they once televised the MIA-COL expansion draft. Colorado went first and selected David Nied, a righty pitcher.

    KEITH OLBERMAN live on television: Well, that fills a “NIED” for the Rockies
    BILL WHITE, NL PRESIDENT OFF MIC BUT CLEARLY AUDIBLE: “WHAT?”

    NFL. It works.

  42. Rondo says:

    Premise # 1 I don’t want Yakupov

    Why hype Murray and have him play in the Worlds if you really wanted him.

    My guess is they are hyping him so they can trade down to the #3 or # 4 spot. Knowing that Yakupov will go #1 and Murray #2 .

  43. Woodguy says:

    Just spitballing here, but here’s a scenario:

    1) Everyone says CBJ can’t take Yakupov with their history with Russians. Even though they are interviewing Yak this week, let’s just accept this as true for this scenario

    2) Stauffer (close connection to Howson) and other say that CBJ loves Murray

    3) Oilers talk up Murray to make CBJ nervous about the Oilers taking him and leaving Russians as the next 3 best players

    4) Lowe tells Howson they are taking Murray #1. Howson can have the #1 if he trades the Oilers his #2 and #29 pick (NJD probably choose to lose their 1st rounder this year from the Kovy penalty) Any thought of getting #2 and Johanson are too much, but #2 and #29 might not be

    5) Oiler’s bundle up #29 and #30 + rights to Omark or even Eager depending on what the other GM wants, and moves up to #10ish to grab Reinhart

    Oilers finish round 1 with Yakupov and Reinhart

    I’d be down with that.

  44. PunjabiOil says:

    I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but my Earl Grey is telling me that the Oilers PR machine is pumping up Murray’s tires to make his selection palatable for the fan base.

    Bob Stauffer wrote on the Oilers website the Oilers would be foolish to not take Yakupov.

    Recent tweets:

    Bob Stauffer ‏ @Bob_Stauffer

    Talked to a high-ranking NHL source tonight, He says that the Oilers would be crazy to pass on Yakupov. “He is a star!”

    Bob Stauffer ‏ @Bob_Stauffer

    Nothing worse than a blogger (albeit a good one) misquoting Kevin Lowe and creating a crap storm on twitter!

  45. Lowetide says:

    WG: Make it so!!!!

  46. Woodguy says:

    Rondo,

    Wow, your post wasn’t up on my screen when I wrote mine.

    Hope its true

  47. Marc says:

    Rondo:

    I find the hypeas a deliberate act by the Oilers and the press.

    That doesn’t make any sense. If the Oilers really think Murray is the best player in the draft it would be in their interest NOT to hype him up. They would have a lot more leverage negotiating a trade down if the teams they’re talking to think the Oilers will take Yakupov unless they get a great offer not to. If teams think that the OIlers aren’t taking Yakupov in any event, why would they bother giving something significant up to move to the top pick to take him?

    If the OIlers were seriously planning on moving down wouldn’t they be telling everyone how much they love Yakupov to try and drive up the price they get for doing so? The fact that they aren’t doing so suggest that they really don’t think they’ll be moving the pick.

  48. Lowetide says:

    You know, and honestly I don’t owe him a thing and vice versa, but David Staples has a massive resume in reporting and having to be accurate. His job has depended on it for decades, far moreso than most of us in the media. Maybe he made an honest mistake, or maybe Kevin Lowe did or maybe the phone crackled.

    Either way, the uproar since tells us this fanbase needs a playoff run. Badly.

  49. PunjabiOil says:

    That doesn’t make any sense. If the Oilers really think Murray is the best player in the draft it would be in their interest NOT to hype him up. They would have a lot more leverage negotiating a trade down if the teams they’re talking to think the Oilers will take Yakupov unless they get a great offer not to. If teams think that the OIlers aren’t taking Yakupov in any event, why would they bother giving something significant up to move to the top pick to take him?

    If the OIlers were seriously planning on moving down wouldn’t they be telling everyone how much they love Yakupov to try and drive up the price they get for doing so? The fact that they aren’t doing so suggest that they really don’t think they’ll be moving the pick.

    Honestly, I don’t think it matters much what the Oilers say. I think it would be common knowledge around the NHL circles taht Yakupov is above the class, AINEC.

  50. gd says:

    Lowetide,

    I think lost in the ratings on Yak is he was missing his most talented linemate and still scored 1.64ppg. His top scoring teammate was Charles Saurault who had 38 pts the year before and became a 87 pt player, playing with Yak.

    KLowe was a great pick at no 21. He would not have been a good pick at no.1.

  51. Rondo says:

    Marc,

    If I know Columbus wants Murray , there is no point hyping Yakupov, The play is to make Columbus give up something with their #2 pick. in exchange for Oilers #1.

  52. gd says:

    Ducey:
    The real story at this time is Justin Schultz.If ANA is going to trade him, they would need to move him in the next week or so, so that the new team would have time to sign him by June 1.

    I don’t get the impression Tambo is in there pitching.

    Maybe there is no point if Schultz is determined to go to freeagency, but this has to be a priority.

    Schultz and the Nail would consititute a successful offseason by themselves.

    Schultz seems to be the equivalent of the 5th pick, so yes him and Yak and a coaching upgrade and the Oil wins the offseason no matter what else they do. I wish ST would watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Marcus Dupree to learn about sneaky recruiting. In fact I think the Oil should hire some disgraced fired SEC football coach for the next two months to recruit Schulltz.

  53. VOR says:

    If you take the totality of everything the Oilers management has said they are planning to trade down.

    The most likely target is #4. I am sure the Oilers math guy has worked out the likely players who would be left at 4 using game theory.

    It comes out as something like 32% Murray, 28% Galchenyuk, 25% Grigorenko, and 15% Yakupov.

    Game theory also says any trade won’t be straight across (to easy for a GM to lose their job over the wrong call). The team trading up almost never gives up actual NHLers so it would be prospects coming to us and each side would dress it up with peripheral players.

    So Calvin de Haan, Brock Nelson and 4OV for 1OV, Peckham, Omark, and Eager.

    Thats probably still not quite balanced enough. Rumor has it that Tavares would really like to play with Gagner so add in Sam. They would add in Anders Lee and Anders Nillson. We are trading a lot of today for an uncertain tomorrow. So why would game theory say we should go for it?

    Because winning hockey, at a GM level, is about balanced organizations. We need size and talent at center and legitimate 1/2 D propsects. That is the likely outcome of trading down. But we do have a 15% chance of winning the jackpot and getting Yakupov and a lot of other help.

  54. Oilogosphere.com says:

    Lowetide: No, not at all. I’m saying the Oilers may trade down and select him. I don’t know that they would trade out of the top 5, though. And I do believe they would take him if he was the top guy on their list at that time.

    I don’t think so. The only reason why Stu said anything about him is because he was specifically asked about him. What was Stu suppose to say, he isn’t going to be negative.

    If he was asked about Dumba, or any player, Stu was likely going to bring up the positives. This doesn’t answer any questions of who the Oilers are wanting to draft.

  55. Oilogosphere.com says:

    Secondly, I don’t know what the love affair is with Griffin Reinhart. He isn’t an exciting player and if the team with the first pick overall were to trade down and came out of the draft with their first round pick being Reinhart, for shame!

    The thing that bothers me about Reinhart is he looks like he is killing a penalty every shift. He stays out of the corners and opts to play the box and uses his stick way too often. He’s hesitant and plays safe. Those boring stay at home guys are plenty among the league.

    He’d be the next whipping boy among Oilers fans as Oilers fans hate big guys that won’t use their body.

    Stay away from a player over rated because he’s in your back yard and has a well know family name.

  56. ashley says:

    For the fans, this draft is much different from the previous two.

    In ’10, Hall and Seguin were so close it didn’t really matter. LT said as much (repeatedly) in his blog posts. A great new player was to don the Oiler silks. That’s not to say that we didn’t make as much drama about Taylor vs Tyler as we could. But it was also our first time to the dance, so we needed to be cut some slack.

    In ’11, it was a more confusing draft to analyze at #1….but not for Stu and the team. They had RNH #1 for months leading up to the draft. At the lottery, he told Tambellini “Just get me that number one pick”. A clear #1 in Stu’s eyes. It actually turned out to be closer than that (so far anyway) with Landeskog and Larsson looking like quality picks too. If he had settled on one of those other two, it would not have been an embarrassment by any means.

    In ’12, we have a consensus #1 with a chasm in talent between him and the rest of the players available. How wide is the chasm? Blue Bullet is talking about Nail in the conversation for #1 in previous drafts, and all the other top 10 2012 draftees sitting at 8th overall or worse even when slotting them into last year’s talent pool. I don’t think he is alone.

    So I can understand why the fans might be nervous about the Murray pumping (who is far from a consensus #2). It is not unreasonable to suggest that a handful of the players picked in the top 10 may not get 200 NHL games in their careers. Trading down will be surrendering to the alsorans, and our trading partner will get the best player in the trade.

    There is every possibility that picking anyone other than Nail Yakupov or trading down to pick amongst the leftovers will make Stu, Tambellini, Lowe, and the entire Oilers organization look like conceited fools.

    For this year, there is really nothing to debate. Hopefully we make the smart choice.

  57. gogliano says:

    I think to say anything about what is going on re: media play we need to know how the Oilers really structure their draft decision making. Everything that has been state publicly so far, I think, squares with the following plausible theory:

    (1) MBS makes the call, particularly for key draft picks.
    (2) If you are management and are going to defer to your main scout, and want to give him maximum leeway without tying his hands, there is every reason to talk up those players who are thought not good enough to merit the pick by the general public but which you think might be chosen by your head scout. Similarly, there is little incentive to declare your #1 choice if that choice is unanimous in the public’s eyes (Yakupov, I”m sure, will care more about the choice than the words leading up to it).
    (3) Everyone knows Yakupov is the clear #1 so if the Oilers go off the board it is in their interest to make Murray and the other players seem closer in talent than they might be. To do otherwise in the media would be to tie your main scout’s hands in terms of public relations.

    So I think the Oilers are keeping the #1 and Stu is being given as much latitude as possible to make his choice. If they wanted to trade down the simplest strategy would be to maximize value by making it seem like they were quite happy to land the #1 and to pick Yakupov in that slot. Maybe MBS has made up his mind but if you are set on keeping the #1 pick there is no sense in talking up Yakupov.

    This might explain the discrepancy in terms of media attention with respect to past drafts.

  58. speeds says:

    The danger in seeing only a few games of a player is that you don’t really know how representative the games you’ve seen are of his average game.

    I went to game one of WHL final, and when I watched Reinhart I saw forwards speed by him a time or two more often than I’d like to see from a guy touted as a top 5/10 pick. However, I’m not sure if that’s generally a problem for him, if I just caught him on a bad day, if I was looking more carefully for mistakes, etc.

  59. spoiler says:

    LT said…

    We’re 41 days from the Entry Draft and if we simply read the tea leaves it is down to three names: Nail, another Ryan and Griffin

    This is an utterly bizarre statement for a science-y blog to make without any supporting evidence.

    Please link to these alleged “tea leaves”.

    This statement also flies in the face of everything the world knows about scouting and drafting.

    Just bizarre.

  60. spoiler says:

    Oilogosphere.com: I don’t think so. The only reason why Stu said anything about him is because he was specifically asked about him. What was Stu suppose to say, he isn’t going to be negative.

    If he was asked about Dumba, or any player, Stu was likely going to bring up the positives. This doesn’t answer any questions of who the Oilers are wanting to draft.

    This.

  61. whale says:

    Ducey:
    The real story at this time is Justin Schultz.If ANA is going to trade him, they would need to move him in the next week or so, so that the new team would have time to sign him by June 1.

    I don’t get the impression Tambo is in there pitching.

    Maybe there is no point if Schultz is determined to go to freeagency, but this has to be a priority.

    Schultz and the Nail would consititute a successful offseason by themselves.

    My understanding (could be wrong) regarding Schultz is if he signs prior to June 1st with Anaheim or whoever traded for his rights, he would sign a 3 year ELC. If he waits until July 1st as a UFA he signs into 2 year ELC with continuing RFA years.

  62. Woodguy says:

    whale,

    That’s right.

    He’s not declaring he won’t return to school until after the draft, and therby becoming a FA.

    He’ll probably be the last to do that as I expect that hole will be closed in the next CBA.

  63. godot10 says:

    Lowe was in Europe when the scouts are have their final pre-draft meeting. It doesn’t sound like Lowe or Tambellini are in the room.

    If the Oilers keep the pick, MBS will tell Lowe and Tambellini if Yakupov is too good to leave on the board vs. Murray.

    The preliminary assessment of MBS’s track record of drafting defensemen looks pretty good. Marincin, Davidson, and Blain. None look to be busts relative to their draft position. Klefbom, Musil, Simpson, and Gernat are also all tracking pretty well. The only dud so far was Hesketh. And it looks like MBS has changed his 3rd round strategy since that draft (and fired a couple of guys).

    I believe Murray should be the pick. Defenseman are always underranked in draft lists relative to forwards because it is harder to judge defenseman. But just because the average scout has more trouble assessing defensemen than forwards, it doesn’t mean a good scout has that problem.

    It will be a very similar choice compared to last year, where it was the high-end potential of Nugent-Hopkins vs. sure thing top 3D in Larsson. MBS had other D he liked that he could get in the middle of the 1st and early in the 2nd, so the high-end offensive potential won out. And maybe he was also seeing that this years draft would be D heavy at the top.

    The Oiler prospect pool of defenseman is a lot deeper now, so the choice between high end offensive potential vs a sure thing top 3D is going to be a similar type of choice to last year.

    I think you guys underrate a sure thing top 3D. Lamorello and Conte left Couturier on the board for Larsson.

  64. "Steve Smith" says:

    godot10: I think you guys underrate a sure thing top 3D.

    I think you’re adopting a premise that most of the rest of us have specifically rejected.

  65. speeds says:

    Woodguy:
    whale,

    That’s right.

    He’s not declaring he won’t return to school until after the draft, and therby becoming a FA.

    He’ll probably be the last to do that as I expect that hole will be closed in the next CBA.

    They may change that, but I don’t know if it’s really a loophole – is it possible it was written with the idea that it would play out exactly as it does?

    With the way the current CBA is written, ANA held his rights, basically, for 4 years. This isn’t really different when compared to length of a time a CHL player, has before going UFA. If the 18 year old CHL player was also determined to go UFA, and was drafted in 2008 draft (same as Schultz), the player would have had his rights held for two years, re-entered the 2010 draft, and would now go UFA if not signed by the second team that drafted him.

  66. Woodguy says:

    If I’m reading my own set of tea leaves, I think that Yakupov has a good chance to be better than Hall and Eberle.

    Why?

    To quote Pierre McGuire “Strong, muscular thighs”

    Yak is built like Crosby and Parise, but is already bigger than Parise.

    Crosby is 5’11″ 200lbs.

    Parise is 5’11″ 195lbs

    Yakupov is 5’11″ and is already 190lbs, so a playing weight in his 20′s at 200 or 205 is not reach.

    These players all have very strong things/ass and low centers of gravity with strong skating strides.

    They can be very tough to knock off the puck and can handle traffic.

    Wide across the shoulders too.

    Its tougher to knock a 5’11 200lb player off the puck than a 6’1 200lb player based on center of gravity.

    So when people say “another small forward” about Yakupov, I think they are doing a real disservice to how he’s built and how he plays.

    He’s not small.

    If he’s small then Crosby is a small forward. They are built very much the same.

    Not that Yak can be Crosby, but if you discount Yak based on size, then you must discount Crosby based on size.

  67. jb says:

    Yes LT, it is a mirage. Why would the Oilers publicly suggest they want Murray? If they wanted max value trading down, they’d be pimping Yakupov as the clear number one while showing no interest in anyone else.

    You guys seem to forget this is the MSM driving the Murray bus, which explains the google hits.
    MSM doesn’t know shit.

  68. gogliano says:

    Completely agree that Yak is not a “small forward” in the pejorative sense. He plays the game hard/can skate through checks and in the dirty areas and he has an appropriate frame for it. Also a good chance he hits the magic 6′ before he stops growing. “Size” should not be an issue here. He is built for the NHL game, no question.

  69. gogliano says:

    jb:
    Yes LT, it is a mirage. Why would the Oilers publicly suggest they want Murray? If they wanted max value trading down, they’d be pimping Yakupov as the clear number one while showing no interest in anyone else.

    You guys seem to forget this is the MSM driving the Murray bus, which explains the google hits.
    MSM doesn’t know shit.

    +1.

    The whole “Talk up Murray because you want to trade down” is terrible asset management. I mean, management isn’t always on their game but if they want max value for Yakupov in a trade it makes far more sense to highlight how great he is and how hard it is for you to give up the pick.

    If there is a danger I think it is that they take Murray at #1.

  70. speeds says:

    godot10:

    I believe Murray should be the pick.Defenseman are always underranked in draft lists relative to forwards because it is harder to judge defenseman. But just because the average scout has more trouble assessing defensemen than forwards, it doesn’t mean a good scout has that problem.

    I take the opposite viewpoint, that D are generally overrated, for a variety of reasons, but one of them being that it’s harder to forecast them and that difficulty is underestimated.

    godot10: It will be a very similar choice compared to last year, where it was the high-end potential of Nugent-Hopkins vs. sure thing top 3D in Larsson.MBS had other D he liked that he could get in the middle of the 1st and early in the 2nd, so the high-end offensive potential won out.And maybe he was also seeing that this years draft would be D heavy at the top.

    The Oiler prospect pool of defenseman is a lot deeper now, so the choice between high end offensive potential vs a sure thing top 3D is going to be a similar type of choice to last year.

    I think you guys underrate a sure thing top 3D.Lamorello and Conte left Couturier on the board for Larsson.

    (1) I guess people can disagree, but I have a hard time believing Murray is a more of a sure thing to be a top 3 D than Yakupov is to be a top 6 F.

    (2) Not being in the room, it’s hard to know how much they pick by need. But, I will say that they “needed” a D in 2009 and went with Paajarvi and Lander in 2009, they still “needed” D in 2010 and after Hall (where there was debate between him and Seguin, maybe, but clearly no D in the picture) they went with F’s at 31, 46, and 61, and a a D at 48. I think you could reasonably suggest they picked by “need”last year at 19 and 31, but you could also make some sort of argument that those players were the BPA at their slot. they also took RNH at #1, ahead of Larsson, and I would submit that, based on what I’ve read, the difference in BPA between RNH and Larsson seems to be less than the difference between Yakupov and Murray.

    If anything, the need for D this year (in terms of the draft) is lower than it’s been the last 3 years, so I’m wondering why this will be the year they’ll go for need over BPA at the top?

  71. Rondo says:

    I guess if I’m Columbus I can’t take a chance that Edmonton won’t pick Murray , however If Edm sign Justin Schultz, I think Columbus may take the chance and not trade their #2

  72. Maverick says:

    Woodguy:
    Just spitballing here, but here’s a scenario:

    1) Everyone says CBJ can’t take Yakupov with their history with Russians.Even though they are interviewing Yak this week, let’s just accept this as true for this scenario

    2) Stauffer (close connection to Howson) and other say that CBJ loves Murray

    3) Oilers talk up Murray to make CBJ nervous about the Oilers taking him and leaving Russians as the next 3 best players

    4) Lowe tells Howson they are taking Murray #1.Howson can have the #1 if he trades the Oilers his #2 and #29 pick (NJD probably choose to lose their 1st rounder this year from the Kovy penalty)Any thought of getting #2 and Johanson are too much, but #2 and #29 might not be

    5) Oiler’s bundle up #29 and #30 + rights to Omark or even Eager depending on what the other GM wants, and moves up to #10ish to grab Reinhart

    Oilers finish round 1 with Yakupov and Reinhart

    I’d be down with that.

    This is a pretty good idea and I would support it! However, it seems fairly complicated and we are taking about the Oilers GM Tambellini, it might take him until August to sort all that out and make a decision.

  73. Woodguy says:

    speeds,

    Agree with the premise, but a CHL player going 2 drafts and not signing is leaving a lot of money on the table, so its very unlikely to happen. Whereas the student is ostensibly pursuing his education.

    I think the next CBA will demand the student declare his intentions before the draft, so he is forced to re-enter the draft.

    I’m running out to dinner so don’t have a chance to look up the age issue in UFA determination, but my guess is that they may change that as well.

  74. Maverick says:

    SPEEDS,

    If anything, the need for D this year (in terms of the draft) is lower than it’s been the last 3 years, so I’m wondering why this will be the year they’ll go for need over BPA at the top?

    Because we are talking about Steve Tambellini and the Oilers. If they just draft a defenseman (right or wrong choice) it is the easier road for Tambeliini to take. It would take the pressure off of the management to actually view and change the current roster.

  75. Maverick says:

    I’m still hoping they pick Yakupov or Galchenyuk instead of Murray. I wish the Oilers would just stop trying to be smarter than everyone else in the hockey world, it just is not the case.

  76. knighttown says:

    Anyone watching this Game 7? No room to shoot the puck out there with 5 guys lining up to block the shots. I’m very surprised some team hasn’t come up with the game plan of telling their guys to get out of the way and firing pucks chest and head high until they lose their will. Bob Gainey once said he’d ban certain types of shot blocking and was laughed at. Hard to police but this is what he was worried about.

  77. Lowetide says:

    KT: It’s horrible hockey. Man what a drag for a G7.

  78. knighttown says:

    And Semin, Backstrom and Ovechkin will be taken to task for not “stepping up”. You can’t step up against this lind of wet blanket. NYR have played the lowest scoring games (both teams-average) since 1922.

    Please, please Brendan or Gary or whomever holds the keys to the game. I know your ratings will be great because New York is still playing but this product is garbage. Get the smartest people in the game together, show the Pens/Flyers series for a week straight and come up with a strategy to make every game look like that.***

    I know it’s about, oh, 80th on our list of issues but the Oilers aren’t exactly built for this kind of hockey are they?

    Pretty scary to think the Edmonton Oilers are a team built for the regular season but there you are.

  79. godot10 says:

    Staal, McDonagh, Girardi, Del Zotto….

    … three young 2D, and one young 3D, and no 1D.

    Would another shiny forward help against that?

  80. Lowetide says:

    For what it’s worth godot, I think you’re going to be happy draft weekend.

  81. speeds says:

    godot10:
    Staal, McDonagh, Girardi, Del Zotto….

    … three young 2D, and one young 3D, and no 1D.

    Would another shiny forward help against that?

    Do you think that if EDM and NYR flipped goalies, people would view the D on EDM and NYR the same way as they do now?

  82. stevezie says:

    knighttown,

    Totally agree. When your game plan makes Jay Beagle a 1st line center that’s a sign that is based around taking skill out of the game. I love grit and heart but skill should be the prime attribute a player needs.

    There is so much money on the table right now that players can’t afford not to block shots. I’d take a slapshot to the thigh for a million dollars, and so would you.

    The game is overcoached- defensive systems are too effective and goalies are too good. I’d like to see goalie coaches eliminated. I wouldn’t mind seeing assistant coaches eliminated. As long as I’m being radical, I wouldn’t mind seeing old-fashion skates being the only kind allowed- the game getting faster has made things more dangerous but I’m not sure it’s any more fun. I am very open to rules against shotblocking.

    I agree a lot of what I just said would be very hard to enforce. That’s no reason not to think about it.

  83. DSF says:

    stevezie:
    knighttown,

    Totally agree. When your game plan makes Jay Beagle a 1st line center that’s a sign that is based around taking skill out of the game. I love grit and heart but skill should be the prime attribute a player needs.

    There is so much money on the table right now that players can’t afford not to block shots. I’d take a slapshot to the thigh for a million dollars, and so would you.

    The game is overcoached- defensive systems are too effective and goalies are too good. I’d like to see goalie coaches eliminated. I wouldn’t mind seeing assistant coaches eliminated. As long as I’m being radical, I wouldn’t mind seeing old-fashion skates being the only kind allowed- the game getting faster has made things more dangerous but I’m not sure it’s any more fun. I am very open to rules against shotblocking.

    I agree a lot of what I just said would be very hard to enforce. That’s no reason not to think about it.

    The class action suit against the NFL is going to create a huge freeze effect.

    We likely need to get used to “dead puck” hockey again as the New York lawyers work their “magic”.

    The LA Kings and NYR may dominate the league for years.

  84. Gerta Rauss says:

    Oil Kings vs Portland on Shaw channel 301 right now.

    1-1 tie the 3rd period underway .

  85. LMHF#1 says:

    Damn, Kings lost 3-2. G7 tomorrow. Hope many attend as it should be tremendous.

  86. PunjabiOil says:

    For what it’s worth godot, I think you’re going to be happy draft weekend.

    I hope you don’t have inside info

  87. Lowetide says:

    PunjabiOil:
    For what it’s worth godot, I think you’re going to be happy draft weekend.

    I hope you don’t have inside info

    Just the info we’re all given via the various media.

  88. spoiler says:

    Hockey World is up. Lengthy bit on home team player Reinhart, but nothing really in relation to the Oilers. Matheson seems convinced that Oilers are taking Murray or Yakupov. Which is about where I would put the tea leaves too.

    He had this bit on Murray:

    One longtime scout says Murray has been a can’t miss since he was on Canada’s under 18 world team, and younger than everybody else. “Even then he was better than Erik Gudbranson (Florida, No. 3 overall pick in 2010),” said the scout for an Eastern-based NHL club.

    I’d still rather have Yakupov and Schultz.

    I can’t see why the Oilers would trade down to pick a poorer player than the two available at the top of the draft. Nor why they would take an existing Dman to draft another Dman. Trade for Schenn to draft Reinhart with Klefbom, Teubert and Musil already in the org? Just can’t see it.

  89. godot10 says:

    Me Against the World

    Me against the World

  90. jb says:

    PunjabiOil,

    Nope he does not. Don’t forget who was here telling you the Taylor Hall decision was already made when the Oilersnation crew had a bunch of sheep convinced it was Seguin.

  91. Oilogosphere.com says:

    Woodguy,

    Very correct. I have been told numerous times the number one thing they look for in body type is NOT height, it’s their strength and centre of gravity. Yakupov has an attractive body type. It’s also not out of question the kid could add an inch, they will analyze him in the combine to see if his frame will support growth, how often he needs to shave, they’ll look at his parents etc.

    Who knows, maybe he’s got an inch left at him.

  92. russ99 says:

    If the Oilers were going to trade down and grab a defenseman, the year to do that was last year.

    Murray has all the right numbers in junior, but Larsson played in Sweden as an 18 year old against men. And he’s shown in the playoffs with the Devils that he’s the real deal.

    Murray is a wait and see pick. In three years he could be Doughty or he could be Hedman. And this organization can’t take that kind of risk at this point in the rebuild.

    Yakupov should be the pick and the GM should deal from strength to bulk up the defense, be it this summer or next deadline.

    If Reinhart is such a stud, trade next year’s #1 to move into the top 10 and take him…

  93. Braintrust says:

    As I mentioned before, Ryan Murray is what our team needs the most at this point in time. Please read this article:

    http://thehockeywriters.com/ryan-murray-the-next-scott-niedermayer/

    Enjoy!

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