NIKOLAI KHABIBULIN 11-12: COWGIRL IN THE SAND

It’s been a long, long career for the Russian. His left hand has begun to rust and the exit is in clear view.

NIKOLAI KHABIBULIN 10-11

  • Boxcars: 47, 3.40
  • SP: .890
  • W-L-T: 10-32-4
  • SP behind backup: .026

NIKOLAI KHABIBULIN 11-12

  • Boxcars: 40, 2.65
  • SP: .910
  • W-L-T: 12-20-7
  • SP behind starter: .004
  1. What do these numbers tell us? Khabibulin’s numbers were markedly better this season, owing to an early hot streak that was just this side of impossible.
  2. How could these numbers be better? NK is 39 years old with a lot of miles. I don’t think this is “if” as opposed to “when” he hangs them up.
  3. Tambellini said he wants to play several more years. I’m sure he does, but history tells us the Russian is nearing the end of the line.
  4. Bull. Hundreds of NHL goalies play past 40. Six goalies and 12 seasons since the 79-80 expansion.
  5. NK had a strong season, his best in awhile. He had a strong 14 games, his best in forever.
  6. Maybe he needs to play less often? I think that’s what the Oilers may do, have him play once a week or so.
  7. See, there you go! It might get them through the season but it’s a bad bet. His most recent play was subpar and Edmonton counting on league average performance from him would be folly.
  8. What was his EV SP? .913.
  9. Not good? 38th in the NHL among what we might call regulars. DD was tied for 13th, clearly superior.
  10. So it’s over? Yeah, I think so. He might be able to get another 4-year contract out of Steve Tambellini, but even that seems unlikely at this point.
  11. What should the Oilers do? Just let him walk, make his own deal in Russia or Sweden or Finland.
  12. The Oilers still have to pay the money. Sure, and they have to go out and get another goalie.
  13. You suggested that in the fall. Yes, and I still think it is a good idea.
  14. You always liked Khabibulin. Hell yeah, always did. He had an interesting career and of course he was in Tampa when they beat the Flames. Plus the Jets of course.
  15. It was an unwise signing. Yes, made worse by the length. A poor decision.
  16. So, that’s the end of this edition of RE? Yes.
  17. Why not the coach and GM? I don’t do those, although it’s a good idea. Maybe later?
  18. You should do them now. It’s a lot of work.
  19. What else are you going to do?  Well it’s spring and all.
  20. Just do GM and coach. Okay.
  21. Is that it? No. bonus photo below in an effort to show 40 isn’t old.
  22. Hello cowgirl in the sand? Something like that.

 

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84 Responses to "NIKOLAI KHABIBULIN 11-12: COWGIRL IN THE SAND"

  1. spoiler says:

    40 isn’t old. Just frickin feels that way some days.

  2. Jon K says:

    Now I know you’re crazy, LT. Khabi says he can play for another 4, 5 years. Plus he’s won a Stanley so there’ll always be at least one team interested in his services. Hell, maybe two. Can Columbus afford him? Ah, I’m sure the Oilers could outbid them.

    Nice end to the RE series, that.

  3. DSF says:

    Must say you saved the best for last.

    Spectacular!

    And, I obviously don’t mean Khabibulin.

  4. BlacqueJacque says:

    DSF,

    A bit too airbrushed for my tastes. Almost closer to one of those lifelike sex dolls than an actual human being.

    If Khabi is a significant part of the squad next year (in excess of 25 starts), I’m finding a new franchise to cheer for until the management and coaching are purged and cleaned with fire. I can cheer for underdogs that can’t compete due to money, I can cheer for rebuilds, I can cheer for teams that refuse to rebuild for several years after it’s obvious that a rebuild is needed. What I can’t do is cheer for a team that deliberately pisses on its fans.

  5. DSF says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    DSF,

    A bit too airbrushed for my tastes.Almost closer to one of those lifelike sex dolls than an actual human being.

    If Khabi is a significant part of the squad next year (in excess of 25 starts), I’m finding a new franchise to cheer for until the management and coaching are purged and cleaned with fire.I can cheer for underdogs that can’t compete due to money, I can cheer for rebuilds, I can cheer for teams that refuse to rebuild for several years after it’s obvious that a rebuild is needed.What I can’t do is cheer for a team that deliberately pisses on its fans.

    Forgive them for they know not what they do.

    :)

  6. godot10 says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    DSF,

    A bit too airbrushed for my tastes.Almost closer to one of those lifelike sex dolls than an actual human being.

    If Khabi is a significant part of the squad next year (in excess of 25 starts), I’m finding a new franchise to cheer for until the management and coaching are purged and cleaned with fire.I can cheer for underdogs that can’t compete due to money, I can cheer for rebuilds, I can cheer for teams that refuse to rebuild for several years after it’s obvious that a rebuild is needed.What I can’t do is cheer for a team that deliberately pisses on its fans.

    I think they should buyout Khabibulin, to insure they have decent goaltending for 80 games, and keep Taylor happy. I don’t think Taylor can take another year in the lottery.

    But Khabibulin for 20 games mean another lottery trip and a shot at Lazar.

    The Oilers have two seconds next year (and a plethora of prospects0, so I would rather try to trade up to get Lazar than finish low enough to get him.

  7. Ryan says:

    Talking about NK, his contract, or the sad reality of him playing again for the Oil next year is not good for your blood pressure.

    To change the topic… Bob Stauffer thru MacT under the bus today on his show for the Horcoff contract saying that MacT advocated for him during his mega millions contract negotiation process and something to the effect of how thankful Horcs should be to him. He finished by saying he’s a 3rd line centre.

    I actually called into the show today when I heard a question about what the Oilers need most next season (after flipping to ched during a 1260 commercial break). First time speaking on a radio show in my life, lol. Was downtown pulled over on my cell. I couldn’t clearly hear Bob, but the tone of his voice sounded like he was angrily disagreeing with everything I just said, except that I don’t think he was…

  8. Gerta Rauss says:

    Today’s ask Matty

    I thought we’d see the Needle and the damage done for NK but it’s all good. I think the goalie discussion comes down to what the Oilers should do and what the Oilers will do. I think we’ll see Khabibulin in training camp.

  9. Ryan says:

    Oh there were a few more gems from the Stauffer show. He said he can tell us as an Oilers employee for the past six years that…

    1. Teubert at best could possssiiiiibllly (emphasized) be a number six defenseman in the NHL
    2. At best, Klefbom could end up being a number 4 defenseman in the NHL

    Obviously, if you talk to any Kings fan, they’ll obviously tell you that the Penner trade was a bust of near epic proportions for them.

    Without the benefit of hindsight, the Oilers basically traded a 6’4″ 240 lb 25 goal scorer who could play in any situation (with 1 additional contract year left) for a chance for a possible #6 dman and a guy with a possible ceiling of a #4 (plus the conditional 3rd).

    Enormous 25 goal scorer who could PK/PP, for maybe a #6 and #4,5 dman down the road? That was some robust asset management.

  10. godot10 says:

    Ryan:
    Oh there were a few more gems from the Stauffer show.He said he can tell us as an Oilers employee for the past six years that…

    1.Teubertat best could possssiiiiibllly (emphasized) bea number six defenseman in the NHL
    2.At best, Klefbomcould end up being a number 4 defenseman in the NHL

    Obviously, if you talk to any Kings fan, they’ll obviously tell you that the Penner trade was a bust of near epic proportions for them.

    Without the benefit of hindsight, the Oilers basically traded a 6’4″ 240 lb 25 goal scorerwho could play in any situation (with 1 additional contract year left) for a chance for a possible #6 dman and a guy with apossible ceiling of a #4 (plus the conditional 3rd).

    Enormous 25 goal scorer who could PK/PP, for maybe a #6 and #4,5 dman down the road?That was some robust asset management.

    Klefbom is a multi-tool defenseman. Stauffer is underestimating him because he is good defensively, and coaches emphasize that “tool” in his skillset since they tend to have other guys for the offensive roles.

    Is Seabrook a #4 defenseman?

  11. godot10 says:

    There is nothing wrong with Teubert being a #6 defenseman. If he can be physical and mean, play solid D, and PK, that is a useful player.

  12. DSF says:

    godot10: Klefbom is a multi-tool defenseman.Stauffer is underestimating him because he is good defensively, and coaches emphasize that “tool” in his skillset since they tend to have other guys for the offensive roles.

    Is Seabrook a #4 defenseman?

    Seabrook has a 48 point season in the NHL.

    Is there any evidence that Klefbom can score at that rate?

    He has 4 points in 56 games in the SEL.

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  14. Rebilled says:

    The NK signing is the dirty blueprint for this team.

    4 year contract for last place. He was horrible in the last stretch, just like he was the year before.

    The only difference is that he is playing for a contract this year.

    The big difference is that he’s 4 years older.

    Is it possible to get one of the Capitals goalies? I like the one with the Alberta flag on the back of his helmet…

  15. godot10 says:

    DSF: Seabrook has a 48 point season in the NHL.

    Is there any evidence that Klefbom can score at that rate?

    He has 4 points in 56 games in the SEL.

    How many points did Nik Lidstrom have in the SEL?

    Was Kevin Lowe a #4 defenseman?

  16. godot10 says:

    Isn’t Zack Bogosian sort of now projecting into a #4 defenseman?

    What about Bieksa? Isn’t he a #4 defenseman?

    Doesn’t a contender really need six solid defensemen plus two extra guys who can actually still play some?

  17. Southern Oil says:

    godot10:
    There is nothing wrong with Teubert being a #6 defenseman. If he can be physical and mean, play solid D, and PK, that is a useful player.

    I’d agree with this. I think the Penner deal was actually one of Tambi’s better moments as GM. The only part that really gets to me is that presser afterwards – where someone from the press tells Tambi that Teubert has been a healthy scratch at points in the AHL and it looks like that is news to him. He clearly didn’t know that until that moment. He’s the damn GM!

    On a different note, Gerta has one for the ages that can basically describe the last 6 years:
    ” what the Oilers should do and what the Oilers will do”
    Wow we have a lot of defensemen!

  18. "Steve Smith" says:

    All the way through without “Piece of Crap”. I salute you, Sir.

  19. DSF says:

    godot10: How many points did Nik Lidstrom have in the SEL?

    Was Kevin Lowe a #4 defenseman?

    Lidstrom scored 16 points in 39 GP as a 19 year old and 23 points in 38GP as a 20 year old in the SEL.

    He also scored 60 points in the NHL as a 21 year old.

    I don’t think we’re talking about the same kind of player here.

    Kevin Lowe certainly could play top pairing minutes as long as you had a Paul Coffey to pair with him.

    Absent a trade for a Dougie Hamilton, I don’t see any Coffey’s in the pipeline.

  20. Ryan says:

    godot10,

    Bogosian? Projecting or currently playing at that level?

    Bieksa a #4 dman? I’ll save DSF the trouble with that comment. Where do you think Bieksa would slot on our current depth chart? Sure Bieksa is an easy target for people who’s memories don’t extend past this year’s playsoffs.

    Yes, contending teams need six solid defensemen plus two extra guys who can play some. Does that mean, you have to develop your own #5 #6 dmen?

    In the other thread, you missed my point. I think potential #6 dmen are in some ways more of a liability than an asset. You invest so much time and in our case NHL games to develop them. They either don’t pan out (plante etc) or by the time they do you might get a couple years of value contract out of them then they’re UFA’s and go to the highest bidder.

    Even guys like Skuderi. I don’t watch the Pens much, but he looked effective the one year they won the cup, particularly in the 2nd season. Where’s he playing now? Any thanks to the Penguins for developing him or did he go to LA for $$$?

    Not only that but these type of dmen break down quick or they turn into pylons when they lose half a step (see: Staios, Steve).

    I couldn’t answer this without a bit of research, but how many good NHL teams employ bottom of the roster dmen that they drafted and developed as they’re #5/#6?

    IMO, the commodities in terms of dmen are the elusive complete stud dmen that few teams have or guys who can outlet the puck or run a power play.

    As for the other slots, sure you need them, but I’d be more inclined to pick up vets.

  21. DSF says:

    godot10:
    Isn’t Zack Bogosian sort of now projecting into a #4 defenseman?

    What about Bieksa?Isn’t he a #4 defenseman?

    Doesn’t a contender really need six solid defensemen plus two extra guys who can actually still play some?

    Bogosian was third on the Jets in TOI/G and was the team leader in SHTOI/G.

    That he also managed 30 points (outscored a 24 year old Jeff Petry) and is only 21 years of age, I think you could make an argument that he is currently a strong 2/3 defenseman with upside.

    Kevin Bieksa was second in TOI/G , was only 5th in PPTOI/G yet finished with 44 points and was +12.

    Looks like a top pairing defenseman to me.

    Yes, you need at least 6 solid defensemen (actually 8 to be a contender) but you need a top pairing that you can throw out in any situation and eat up 25-30 minutes a game and always come out ahead.

  22. DSF says:

    Ryan:
    godot10,

    Bogosian?Projecting or currently playing at that level?

    Bieksa a #4 dman? I’ll save DSF the trouble with that comment.Where do you think Bieksa would slot on our current depth chart?Sure Bieksa is an easy target for people who’s memories don’t extend past this year’s playsoffs.

    Yes, contending teams need six solid defensemen plus two extra guys who can play some.Does that mean, you have to develop your own #5#6 dmen?

    In the other thread, you missed my point.I think potential #6 dmen are in some ways more of a liability than an asset.You invest so much time and in our case NHL games to develop them.They either don’t pan out (plante etc) or by the time they do you might get a couple years of value contract out of them then they’re UFA’s and go to the highest bidder.

    Even guys like Skuderi.I don’t watch the Pens much, but he looked effective the one year they won the cup, particularly in the 2nd season.Where’s he playing now?Any thanks to the Penguins for developing him or did he go to LA for $$$?

    Not only that but these type of dmen break down quick or they turn into pylons when they lose half a step (see:Staios, Steve).

    I couldn’t answer this without a bit of research, but how many good NHL teams employ bottom of the roster dmen that they drafted and developed as they’re #5/#6?

    IMO, the commodities in terms of dmen are the elusive complete stud dmen that few teams have or guys who can outlet the puck or run a power play.

    As for the other slots, sure you need them, but I’d be more inclined to pick up vets.

    Absolutely fantastic post.

    Spending years developing bottom pairing defenseman or bottom 6 forwards (unless they have an elite skill like face-offs, PKing or hitting is an immense waste of time and resources.

    These players are ALWAYS available and the smart GM’s find the ones with the skill sets to plug the holes they have.

    Likely the best current example of this is what Maloney has done in Phoenix.

  23. Woodguy says:

    DSF: Seabrook has a 48 point season in the NHL.

    Is there any evidence that Klefbom can score at that rate?

    He has 4 points in 56 games in the SEL.

    Your boy Karlsson had 45gp 5g 5a 10pts in the SEL the year after he was drafted.

    Faaaaaarrr too early to be making any calls on Klefbom.

  24. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    All the way through without “Piece of Crap”.I salute you, Sir.

    I’ve still got the Tambellini item to do. :-)

  25. DSF says:

    Woodguy: Your boy Karlsson had 45gp 5g 5a 10pts in the SEL the year after he was drafted.

    Faaaaaarrr too early to be making any calls on Klefbom.

    Actually he scored those points in 2008/09…the year he was drafted…Klefbom scored 2 points in the year he was drafted 11/12.

    The following season, he scored 26 points in only 60 games with the Ottawa Senators.

    I smell another bet.

    Would you be willing to wager that Klefbom scores .43 PPG points next season in the NHL?

  26. Woodguy says:

    Tyler had it right the day they signed Nik.

    Loser move for a loser organization.

    In the last thread resident Oiler PR flak Ducey mentioned it was wrong to “cherry pick” Khabby’s start.

    This is wrong.

    While the sample size does shrink, he shows a trend, which can be useful information.

    Khabby’s splits:

    Oct .960
    Nov .918
    Dec .896
    Jan .887
    Feb. .887

    Trend is there. He hasn’t be a capable NHL goalie since the signed him. Getting older by another year isn’t going to change anything.

    When v4.0 quickly answered “Nik will be back” I wanted to light something on fire.

    If Nik is back then one of these following statements is true:

    1) Steve Tambellini has too much pride to admit an error on Nik, dump him and move on
    2) Steve Tambellini has no idea what an NHL goalie looks like
    3) Steve Tambellini plans on tanking for another season and piss off the core of his team
    4) Steve Tambellini doesn’t plan on bringing back Nik but didn’t throw him under the bus.

    If its 4 I’ll be glad.

    If its any of the other 3, its still yet another reason why he shouldn’t be General Manager in charge of Making Recommendations to Lowe.

    Also,

    Traktor mentioned Gagner in the cherry picking thing. He’s right there too, but you need to group games together, dismissing random games based on results is wrong, but sections of games can show trends.

    In the Gagner thread I wrote:

    In his last 25 games, Gagner played with top 6 players and played as a C.

    In his last 25 games Gagner went 5g 5a 10pts.

    Not good enough given his prime role and team mates in those games.
    ……
    If they trade him, they better have a plan at C because he is currently the 2nd best option they have.

  27. Woodguy says:

    DSF: Actually he scored those points in 2008/09…the year he was drafted…Klefbom scored 2 points in the year he was drafted 11/12.

    The following season, he scored 26 points in only 60 games with the Ottawa Senators.

    I smell another bet.

    Would you be willing to wager that Klefbom scores .43 PPG points next season in the NHL?

    Look again DSF.

    Karlsson scored 5,5,10 in 08/09.

    He was drafted in June 2008.

    Hockeydb, NHL.com and his Wiki page agree with me.

    Klefbom doesn’t look to have Karlsson’s offensive talents, but even discussing him and pigeonholing his ceiling is ridiculous.

    Not as ridiculous as that bet though.

    Pass.

  28. DSF says:

    Woodguy,

    The sad thing is #2 is the most likely answer.

  29. DSF says:

    Woodguy: Look again DSF.

    Karlsson scored 5,5,10 in 08/09.

    He was drafted in June 2008.

    Hockeydb, NHL.com and his Wiki page agree with me.

    Klefbom doesn’t look to have Karlsson’s offensive talents, but even discussing him and pigeonholing his ceilingis ridiculous.

    Not as ridiculous as that bet though.

    Pass.

    That’s what I said.

    “Actually he scored those points in 2008/09…the year he was drafted…Klefbom scored 2 points in the year he was drafted 11/12.”

    I can understand your lack of enthusiasm for another loss.

  30. Woodguy says:

    DSF: That’s what I said.

    “Actually he scored those points in 2008/09…the year he was drafted…Klefbom scored 2 points in the year he was drafted 11/12.”

    I can understand your lack of enthusiasm for another loss.

    I will win the Hemsky bet.

    In his first 60 games with OTT Karlson scored:

    0.25 Goals/60
    0.25 1st assist/60
    0.44 2nd assist/60

    So almost 1/2 his points came from 2nd assists that they don’t hand out in the SEL.

    Klefbom may see a similar jump when he starts passing to the wonder kids.

    I think Karlsson showed more offense (a bit, not much) than Klefbom has, but its

    far

    far

    far

    far

    too early to pigeonhole him.

  31. DSF says:

    Woodguy: I will win the Hemsky bet.

    In his first 60 games with OTT Karlson scored:

    0.25 Goals/60
    0.25 1st assist/60
    0.44 2nd assist/60

    So almost 1/2 his points came from 2nd assists that they don’t hand out in the SEL.

    Klefbom may see a similar jump when he starts passing to the wonder kids.

    I think Karlsson showed more offense (a bit, not much) than Klefbom has, but its

    far

    far

    far

    far

    too early to pigeonhole him.

    So, let’s see.

    Karlsson scored .25 G/60 as a 19 year old rookie playing doofus minutes.

    This past season, only 19 defenseman scored goals at a higher rate, many of them elite defensemen. (Lidstrom .34 G/60)

    Second in this years G/60 race among defensemen was Keith Yandle at .41 G/60.

    I know you’re waiting with bated breath to know who scored at a higher rate.

    Erik Karlsson blew away the competition with .60 G/60.

    Not a second assist to muddy the waters.

    Now, while I agree Klefbom may show some offensive signs of life this coming season in the SEL, you’ve set the bar pretty high by bringing up Karlsson.

    He IS the next one.

  32. spoiler says:

    Khabby is here as veteran supprt for another year–I’m resigned to the idea. There’s no possible way they can get out of the cap hit, and a trade without the bad optics of additional payment seems very unlikely. So they’ll play the guy stupidly rather than confirming their stupidity. This team cannot cut its losses.

    But if they give him another contract, I’m gonna start thinking that Katz is running this team. How can an actual NHL hockey mind hire this player back?

    I know he’s a great guy in the room and a good vet and a teacher for Doobie, yadda yadda yadda, so they get some value however small out of the present contract, but going forward this role has to be filled by someone who can actually still play net.

    I’m okay with waiting a year, to see what shakes free, but I’m scared of what Tambo would do if Holmgren called tomorrow offering Bryzgalov straight across for Khabibulin. Or Van Luongo for the same. Tambo would probably throw in a pick.

  33. spoiler says:

    Michael Corleone would pay Ben Eager to accidentally concuss Khabby on the first day of TC.

  34. Lowetide says:

    The Oilers have about 20 Moe Green’s. It’s incredible!

  35. Woodguy says:

    DSF,

    Now, while I agree Klefbom may show some offensive signs of life this coming season in the SEL, you’ve set the bar pretty high by bringing up Karlsson.

    I didn’t set Klefbom’s bar at Karlsson, I actually went out of my way to not do that.

    I was using one of your favorite players to show you that you were talking out of your ass based on very little information to deride yet another Oiler prospect.

    Its ok to admit you talked out of your ass and concede a point.

    You write a lot of compelling arguments, but you continue to blare a signal to noise ratio that drowns out most of your good stuff.

    Don’t be like Tambellni.

    Admit you’re wrong once in a while.

  36. Jon K says:

    Even if MacT did go to bat for Horcoff and we take Bob at his word, it seems ridiculous bordering on ludicrous to blame him for the Horcoff contract. Unless MacT sat in on negotiations and forced Lowe to offer Horcoff dollars AND term, the buck stops with Lowe.

    I didn’t hear the show today, but if Bob indeed blast MacT for the Horcoff contract, he’s lost a lot of credibility in this fan’s eyes.

  37. TheOtherJohn says:

    Now I realize I am guilty of heresy but Klefbom scored 2 points in the year AFTER he was drafted in the SEL. That is, he played in 60% of the SEL games this year and added NO offense. Godot refers to him as a “multifaceted D man” and Rickibear “with his WJHC all star track record” projects him to be a force this coming year in the NHL

    He is back in the SEL this coming season and hopefully will add some O to his game. Whole discussion last year denigrating Larssen was that he did not project to produce enough offense. In the year leading into his draft year He had 350% more points than Klefbom and this year he had 18 points in the show (ie the year that Klefbom scored 2 points in a lesser league) So if everyone had concerns about Larssen’s offensive ceiling how is it that is Klefbom is multifaceted?

    Now I also agree with WG that it is too early to pigeon hole Klefbom as a stay at home defender but arrows are definitely pointing in that direction. I hope he develops into a Borje Salming type: ++ defender with some offense (less 200 stitches in his face) but, again, that’s not where arrows are currently pointing.

    Rickibear

    Team Sweden did not get your WJHC projected success analysis because they took Jonas Brodin on WHC team and did not take Klefbom or Omark, They simply must hate Oiler property

  38. spoiler says:

    It’s impossible to know if Karlsson’s season was an outlier or not. He does look good. He and Spezza have a thing going on with their breakouts that’s as slick and sweet as ice cream sundaes. If Alfredsson retires though, and isn’t adequately replaced, a drop is likely.

    And WG is right. Too early to tell on Klefbom. At the worst he’s a harder hittiing, slightly dumber version of Murray. Offense can happen randomly out of the blue for Dmen. It’s even tougher to tell what it’s going to be when Dmen come out of the Swedish league.

    Only Mike Milbury and DSF would be drawing conclusions on a defenseman at this point in his career… Considering he was the best defenseman on the Swedish National team at the WJC this year. He’s a real solid player. If he also can play PP and score some points down the road, then effin great. He sure looks like he has the tools for it.

  39. TheOtherJohn says:

    OMG

    Spoiler and LT with Godfather quotes.

    I would much rather hire the Russian D man Kirolov??? to concuss Khabby. Because you absolutely know he’d get job done. Eager is more likely to “dither” in completing the task

    Moe Green….. Aka Bugsy Siegel

    Dave Brown as Luca Bracca

    Glen Sather as Vito Corleone

  40. art vandelay says:

    The Hawks regretted signing Crappibulin to that LT deal about five minutes after the ink dried. They spent 3 of the next 4 years trying to give him away, with no takers.
    Because he played reasonably non-crappy in the Cup year – where he lost his job to Niemi nonetheless – Drunkibulin parlayed it into yet another inexplicable 4-year deal with the Oilers.
    He is easily the worst goalie in the NHL the past 8 years, relative to games played. And there probably isn’t a goalie outside of the coffee cuppers who’ve been worse, period.
    Maybe the Oilers could sign Fred Pisani to another $27 million deal and teach him to play net.

  41. TheOtherJohn says:

    Spoiler

    Watched 2 of Sweden games in WJHC (one was exhibition @ Rexall) and Klefbom did not play PP

  42. DSF says:

    Woodguy:
    DSF,

    Now, while I agree Klefbom may show some offensive signs of life this coming season in the SEL, you’ve set the bar pretty high by bringing up Karlsson.

    I didn’t set Klefbom’s bar at Karlsson, I actually went out of my way to not do that.

    I was using one of your favorite players to show you that you were talking out of your ass based on very little information to deride yet another Oiler prospect.

    Its ok to admit you talked out of your ass and concede a point.

    You write a lot of compelling arguments, but you continue to blare a signal to noise ratio that drowns out most of your good stuff.

    Don’t be like Tambellni.

    Admit you’re wrong once in a while.

    Klefbom has shown ZERO signs of an offensive pulse.

    Zero.

    Nothing to admit.

    If he delivers the goods this coming season, we might start discussing Adam Larsson comparables.

    But Larssen scored 26 points in the SEL BEFORE he was drafted,

    Klefbom scored 2 points AFTER he was drafted.

    Pointing out that kind of reality hardly constitutes talking out of my ass.

    No more than looking at Paarjarvi’s SEL stats and seeing the guy has plywood hands.

    Called it the day he was drafted and look how that has turned out.

    Kid is hitting .157 against AAA pitching.

    Who knew?

  43. spoiler says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Spoiler

    Watched 2 of Sweden games in WJHC (one was exhibition @ Rexall)and Klefbom did not play PP

    Best defenseman on the gold medallists. Named top 2 in the top tournament for his age group. 16 points in 19games as a 16 yo in the Swedish Juniors. I’m not in the least bit concerned in what we have in Klefbom. I’ve already stated what he is at worst. Any offense that comes beyond his present career path is just cream on the carrot cake.

  44. asiaoil says:

    It’s not that hard.

    Bring Nik to camp with a Denis or another solid vet backup and let them fight it out for the NHL job – loser goes to OKC. If Nik can be super human for 10 games then you play him – only problem last season was continuing to play him when he turned into Swiss cheese. If he isnt better in camp then send him down, if he looks bad at any point in the season then send him down. Having Nik at camp is not a problem – not having a viable #2 in place and keeping him on the roster if he’s not capable is.

  45. VOR says:

    Free to a good home,

    large and growing left winger (6’2″, 197)
    gifted defensively, above average forechecker
    very coachable but needs to be hitting people to be effective
    decent offensive numbers in junior well over 1 pt per game
    undrafted because he has some skating issues (or so scouts thought)
    PTO in Conneticut
    showing very well in AHL playoffs and proving skating was not the issue
    has also been to two pro camps and impressed (it appears he may have turned down Scott Howson’s offer)
    pro scouts coming to games to check him out

    Name: Marek Hrivik

    Figure Oilers have no clue he even exists.

  46. Ducey says:

    In the last thread resident Oiler PR flak Ducey mentioned it was wrong to “cherry pick” Khabby’s start.

    Not a PR flak. I just tend to be a little less critical of the team I cheer for than most around here. I guess if you disagree with someone it makes you feel better to call them names.

    I find it hilarious that you and DSF spend so much time arguing. You essentially agree on everything. You just can’t both fit your egos in the room.

    I’m done arguing with the negativity around here. I have better things to do. I’ll leave this place to you.

    Nice knowing some of you. And thanks LT.

  47. asiaoil says:

    Yeah the threads become incredibly easy to skim when you can simply ignore anything by DSF. The kid is seriously degrading this site with volumes of nonsence – and if he’s not a kid – then he needs to get a life. Honestly LT – please do us a favor and evict him – your patience is noble but misplaced in this case.

  48. Schitzo says:

    I have a bet with the old man that Teubert and Klefbom combined play less NHL games than the 104 games left on Penner’s contract when he was traded. I’m not losing sleep yet, although the org’s refusal to give up on anyone with FIRST ROUND PEDIGREE has me a little concerned.

  49. edwards_daddy says:

    If we’re looking for a Klefbom comp – Nik Hjalmarsson anyone?

  50. danny says:

    I’ve found Ducey to be someone that is one of the better posters around here. The guy is reasonable, and seems to play devils advocate a lot of the time when the other side of the coin get in their little frenzy of overzealousness. Happens a lot around here.

    Hopefully an insult from someone that has no right to be slinging mud doesn’t keep you away Ducey.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Ducey:
    In the last thread resident Oiler PR flak Ducey mentioned it was wrong to “cherry pick” Khabby’s start.

    Not a PR flak.I just tend to be a little less critical of the team I cheer for than most around here.I guess if you disagree with someone it makes you feel better to call them names.

    I find it hilarious that you and DSF spend so much time arguing.You essentially agree on everything.You just can’t both fit your egos in the room.

    I’m done arguing with the negativity around here.I have better things to do.I’ll leave this place to you.

    Nice knowing some of you.And thanks LT.

    “PR flak” is enough to drive you away?

    C’mon Ducey, that’s pretty tame and I thought it was full of comedy given your standard stance of defending whatever the Oilers do.

    You’re defending one of the worst goalies in the NHL.

    Who does that but the PR team?

    I apologize if it really offended you, but Lordy, does it really offend you that much?

    I get called much, much worse around here.

    Its not like it was a real insult, or attacked you personally.

    flack 1 (flk) Informal
    n.
    A press agent; a publicist.
    v. flacked, flack·ing, flacks
    v.intr.
    To act as a press agent: flacking for a movie studio.
    v.tr.
    To act as a press agent for; promote: authors who tour the country flacking their books.

    This really upset you?

    I don’t get it.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t get it.

  52. Ryan says:

    Schitzo,

    Stats are a waste of time. Who needs stats especially advanced stats when you can reduce the value of a player to tangible and far more easy to quantify and accurate reflections of their relative value such as his draft position or the number of cup rings on their hands? :p

  53. Ryan says:

    danny,

    Hey, we’re all (still) here because we have a mutual and genuine interest in this team getting up off the basement floor–not to mention that we can take an inordinate amount of punishment as fans. Okay, and LT runs one hell of a blog which also helps.

    That being said, the frustration of being an Oiler fan manifests itself in different ways. Especially since nearly everything that mgmnt does suggests that this team is being run by the three stooges.

    Woodguy’s a pretty reasonable guy and one of the better posters around here. I don’t think it was meant personally, but he does get annoyed with the mgmnt’s decision making. If anything, his frustration seems to be mostly directed to the stooges, but poor Ducey seems to have got caught in the crossfire.

    Ducey’s also a very reasonable and level-headed poster, so I’m hoping he’s back.

    As for DSF, sure he’s got an ego that can fill a room, but I can’t say I recall him making any personal attacks on anyone. In the past his contrarian view helped drive relevant discussion. If we all had the same opinion, it would be pretty boring around here.

  54. loosemoose says:

    Wait a minute…..khabby isn’t a good goalie?

    Weren’t they chanting his name through the hallowed halls of Rexall last year?

    What do you guys know that 16,000 Oiler fans dont? :)

  55. jfry says:

    brodin was the best swedish D at the jc. klefbom might have won the award, but brodin played more minuttes throughout the tourny and started as the go-to guy. klefbom wasn’t seen as a go-to guy until the round robin was done..

    brodin looks like karlsson light. klefbom looks like brewer. brodin is a more advanced player at this point and i’m not surprised he made team sweden at the wc

  56. bendelson says:

    Attention from Woodguy is what most on here crave. To be called out by name is an honor reserved for a select few Ducey. It should be considered a real compliment…

    If you don’t want the attention your thought provoking, sometimes inflammatory comments receive then let me suggest:

    Try posting pointless, often inane comments like myself… You’ll get ignored for years without so much as a peep from the venerable bloggers around these parts.

    I call it splendid isolation.
    The sky call be whatever colour I like.
    :)

    (I’m so lonely)

  57. VOR says:

    For me one of the best moments of the world junior championship was the gold medal game when the Russians caught Klefblom in no mans land on the turnover and went left to right, classic back door, for a sure goal. That is it would have been if Brodin hadn’t thought the entire play through in advance. He read it perfectly and was just calmly in the right place to turn it into nothing. It was like watching Coffey and Huddy in their prime.

    I started thinking maybe we should be trading with Minnesota (I think it is) for Brodin.

    I think Klefblom has real chaos in his game and his current SEL coach keeps him on a very short leash explaining the almost non-existent offence. Brodin is rock solid positionally and thinks the game very well. The result is he is trusted to play at World Championship and Klefblom isn’t.

    The Kelfblom we saw at the WJC rushing the puck, skating miles, head manning brilliantly, could be a great player when he matures. However, he will probably need much hand holding and patience if you want to see his offence develop. More likely the Oilers beat the chaos (and with it the offence) out of him. I will always maintain Coffey would never have got the opportunity to develop properly without Huddy covering up his most egregious (and there were many) mistakes. I can still remember the chants of Cough Up Cough Up reverberating through the Coliseum. Then the undrafted kid was called up from the Wichita Wind in the middle of 1980-1981 and Coffey simply exploded. They were arguably the greatest d pair of all time.

    Klefblom is going to need a Huddy, especially given the impatience of the fan base.

  58. db7db7 says:

    Lowetide,

    What do you think of offering him a 3 year $10 million deal to become Goalie coach if he agrees to hang up the skates this summer?

  59. TheOtherJohn says:

    Ducey

    No reason to leave. You can still post under your other login name…….. Danny. Wait a minute the two of you write the same stuff and are two different people? Sheesh, who knew?

    Now I am just kidding!!

    What makes this site so interesting is to read differing points of view, usually well thought through and it causes you to reconsider ones own position. I do not share the patient, let management do its slow (ok, really really slow) rebuild advocated often by Ducey, Danny and others but would miss reading serious “on the other hand” points of view.

    Khabby is not a good goalie now. He has not been a good goalie over the course of his contract. With hindsight, which is not really fair, he was a terrible signing but as WG points out Dellow clearly identified that fact immediately.

  60. Cactus says:

    Woodguy:
    Tyler had it right the day they signed Nik.

    Loser move for a loser organization.

    In the last thread resident Oiler PR flak Ducey mentioned it was wrong to “cherry pick” Khabby’s start.

    This is wrong.

    While the sample size does shrink, he shows a trend, which can be useful information.

    Khabby’s splits:

    Oct .960
    Nov .918
    Dec .896
    Jan .887
    Feb. .887

    Trend is there.He hasn’t be a capable NHL goalie since the signed him.Getting older by another year isn’t going to change anything.

    When v4.0 quickly answered “Nik will be back” I wanted to light something on fire.

    If Nik is back then one of these following statements is true:

    1) Steve Tambellini has too much pride to admit an error on Nik, dump him and move on
    2) Steve Tambellini has no idea what an NHL goalie looks like
    3) Steve Tambellini plans on tanking for another season and piss off the core of his team
    4) Steve Tambellini doesn’t plan on bringing back Nik but didn’t throw him under the bus.

    If its 4 I’ll be glad.

    If its any of the other 3, its still yet another reason why he shouldn’t be General Manager in charge of Making Recommendations to Lowe.

    It’s about time someone around here (other than maybe Ducey and Spoiler) clearly acknowledged that sometimes, Oilers officials aren’t going to be entirely upfront with their motives. There are far too many freakouts in the Oil blogosphere by people who are ready to leap on anything as an excuse to overreact. This is especially true when it comes to public player evaluations. Tambellini is simply not going to come out and say “Khabby was terrible… under no circumstances will we be bringing him back.” Not only could it be viewed as unnecessarily rude by players other than the target, but it limits management’s options.

    While I am, like many of you, concerned about the prospect of Khabibulin returning in a part-time role next year, we simply have no evidence to say this is more likely than a buyout, retirement or an open competition. Tambellini’s PR statement is NOT sufficient evidence to act as a base for good conclusions.

  61. Bar_Qu says:

    The summer months on here get a little long, with only re-hashed arguments about draft prospects, prospective players and mathematical possibilities (past and present). At points it is a bit like kids sitting around too much on summer break. Fights break out for little reason.

    Generally we have DSF and Art to vent our anger upon (thus fulfilling their goal in life) but occasionally we turn upon ourselves. Don’t make a vow in the heat of the moment, either to regret it or go back on it when you can’t stay away any longer.

    NK is not going to be a helpful goaltending option going forward. The Oilers will use him nevertheless (face saver). Klefbom will play in the SEL this year, earning the results that talent, time and luck provide him. Karlsson will do the same in OTT. The Norris will be won by someone playing in the NHL. And we will be here again next year, discussing the fate of the (new?) headcoach and GM.

    Everything’s new and the same again!

  62. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    bendelson:

    I call it splendid isolation.
    The sky call be whatever colour I like.

    (I’m so lonely)

    Not to ruin your world but LOL

  63. stevezie says:

    Let’s all take a minute to think about Bendelson! Hats off to Bendelson! His name is Bendelson! Bendelson forever!

    Bendelson!!!!

  64. "Steve Smith" says:

    For whatever it’s worth, I’m quite fond of both Ducey and Woodguy, and would prefer that they put aside their differences. Failing that, it would be nice if they’d both at least stick around.

    I do, however, maintain an abiding hatred of Bendelson, thrashing madly within me my every waking moment.

  65. "Steve Smith" says:

    (That is, my hatred thrashes madly within me my every waking moment; Bendelson does so much less frequently.)

  66. Lucinius says:

    Watching Canada at the WHC is as frustrating as usual. I really do not like this Sutter as a coach. Also been very un-impressed by Perry and Getzlaf who are eating up way more time than they deserve based on play, at least to my eye.

    Both are playing better than Phaneuf, however, who, in my opinion, has been the worst defender on the team thus far.

  67. bendelson says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach,

    Your acknowledgement warms the cockles of my heart.

    stevezie,

    Given Bendelson was the nickname of my recently deceased dog, reading your post made me smile. Thanks for that.

    “Steve Smith”,

    I thought we had something special… What happened SS?

  68. Mr DeBakey says:

    To change the topic… Bob Stauffer thru MacT under the bus today on his show for the Horcoff contract saying that MacT advocated for him during his mega millions contract negotiation process and something to the effect of how thankful Horcs should be to him. He finished by saying he’s a 3rd line centre.

    At one time I listened to Stauffer a fair bit.
    He always hated Horcoff.
    He dissed MacT every day. Every damn day. Eventually I stopped listening, it was so tiresome.
    He never critisized Lowe on air. Never. Fuck-up after Fuck-up on the Voyage to the Bottom of the League, but not one word.

  69. stevezie says:

    bendelson,

    Steve Smith is nobody’s friend. If Benjamin were an ice cream flavor, he’d be pralines and dick.

  70. prairieschooner says:

    Klefbom needs a lot more time to develop, his coach appears to be correcting his game little by little..works for me.
    Eberle just keeps on doing it. He had one shot in each period

  71. Woodguy says:

    bendelson:
    Attention from Woodguy is what most on here crave.To be called out by name is an honor reserved for a select few Ducey. It should be considered a real compliment…

    If you don’t want the attention your thought provoking, sometimes inflammatory comments receive then let me suggest:

    Try posting pointless, ofteninane comments like myself…You’ll get ignored for years without so much as a peep from the venerable bloggers around these parts.

    I call it splendid isolation.
    The sky call be whatever colour I like.

    (I’m so lonely)

    I don’t think it was so much calling him a name, rather it was characterizing his posts.

    You can always count on Ducey to defend Oiler managemnt (rightly or wrongly)

    If Tambellini decided to fire RNH off the roof of Rexall in a catapult I’d expect Ducey to tell us we just don’t understand how a rebuild works and that we all need to be patient and don’t jumpt to any conclusions for 5 years or so.

    Thay being said, its the variety of opinions here (usually backed up with some though and evidence) that makes it a great place and it rarely gets hysterical.

    I take heat for my opinions, but its my choice to sit in the kitchen and bray them at whoever listens.

  72. jake70 says:

    Raonic and Federer in a 3rd set tiebreaker on SN1…..nailbiter…if anyone likes tennis and is rooting for the yoiung canuck.

  73. bendelson says:

    Woodguy,

    I don’t think I suggested you called him a name WG…
    I believe I said you called him out by name. Big difference.

    My point was simply that if you are getting responses from WG there is an element of respect attached to that (or so it seems). The pointless comments from the peanut gallery are largely ignored.

    To follow through with my point, Ducey should be pleased his somewhat controversial comments get the feedback they do whether they are positive or God forbid, negative.

    And NK is clearly not the answer moving forward so the comments required reaction IMO.

  74. nathan says:

    “I find it hilarious that you and DSF spend so much time arguing. You essentially agree on everything”.

    Ducey,

    Sometimes it’s like watching the Smothers Brothers. If Tommy stopped complaining that Mother always liked his brother best and sought validation in flavour of the year GM worship and exaggerating hand picked stats, he’d be DSF.

    Ducey’s Law: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a bet being proposed by DSF or Woodguy approaches 1″.

    Woodguy,

    Speaking of catapults you know who else ended discussions with catapults?

  75. stevezie says:

    stevezie:
    bendelson,

    Steve Smithis nobody’s friend. If Benjamin were an ice cream flavor, he’d be pralines and dick.

    I just realised that when I cut’n pasted this quote for accuracy, I only thought to change one of the names. How embarassing. I’m praelines and dick.

  76. Woodguy says:

    bendelson,

    My point was simply that if you are getting responses from WG there is an element of respect attached to that (or so it seems)

    I think that’s a little much. I’m as full of shit as the next guy.

    That being said, I usually post hoping that Steve Smith doesn’t thrash my argument with “I don’t think xxxx means what you think it means”

  77. Jordan says:

    Woodguy:
    bendelson,

    My point was simply that if you are getting responses from WG there is an element of respect attached to that (or so it seems)

    I think that’s a little much.I’m as full of shit as the next guy.

    That being said, I usually post hoping that Steve Smith doesn’t thrash my argument with “I don’t think xxxx means what you think it means”

    I don’t think “the next guy” means what you think it means… :D

  78. danny says:

    Woodguy:

    If Tambellini decided to fire RNH off the roof of Rexall in a catapult I’d expect Ducey to tell us we just don’t understand how a rebuild works and that we all need to be patient and don’t jumpt to any conclusions for 5 years

    I don’t think that’s accurate at all.

    He definitely plays devils advocate, and I don’t know what his opinion on Khabibulin was, but the guy has always struck me as a reasonable voice. Indepenet thought and not some guy that runs with the latest bone thrown at him.

  79. bendelson says:

    stevezie,

    Is was wondering about that and chalked it up to user error.

    Woodguy,

    Don’t be so modest WG. You post often and usually with some effort to back up your arguments. Your comments are taken seriously…

    That being said, when you are talking about Hemsky… I find your rose colored glasses quite irritating – but that’s another story! ;)

    Jordan,

    Nicely done.

  80. Woodguy says:

    danny,

    I like Ducey.

    Its always challenging and more interesting to understand an opinioon different than your own.

    My experience is that he defends Oiler management past what most would consider reasonable.

    That’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    I deride Oiler management beyond what a lot of people would consider reasonable.

    We are both publishing our opinions in a public forum, so getting in a huff about non-abusive derisive comments is a little much.

    I get pillored for some of what I write.

    Pretty standard really.

  81. "Steve Smith" says:

    Jordan,

    …to say nothing of “thrash”.

    Truly a great Grand Canyon rescue episode.

  82. Lowetide says:

    Nice. Perfect reference.

  83. Woodguy says:

    nathan,

    The French?

    (Lead by the very French John Cleese)

  84. hockeyguy10 says:

    the biggest reason Klefbom didn’t make Sweden’s WHC team is because he turned down the invite because of injury.
    Can’t remember the injury but it was listed in a story either here or at ON.The story was about him signing his entry level deal with the Oilers

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