PREVIEW OF COMING ATTRACTIONS?

Steve Tambellini added “find a coach” to his list of jobs this summer, so I imagine the midnight oil will be burning during the next several weeks. Can he fill all the holes? Can he find a better coach?

I well remember the summer’s of Stanley in this city. Bright, stunning days with blue skies and the warmth of the sun. Although the parades lasted about 10 minutes, the high from each SC victory had remarkable sustain. Well into the following season, and the truth is that even when the Oilers lost in 1983, 1986, 1989 and 1991 I thought Stanley would be a visitor many times into the future.

Tambellini’s list a year ago:

  1. A veteran winger to help with PK/PP and guide the kids at evens (Ryan Smyth)
  2. Truculence (Ben Eager, Darcy Hordichuk)
  3. A veteran NHL defensemen (Andy Sutton)
  4. A faceoff man to help with PK and to balance the C position. (Eric Belanger)
  5. A legit option for the moment when goaltending becomes an issue. (Yann Danis)

This year’s list

  1. A veteran winger to help with the PK and guide the kids at evens
  2. A “hard-ass” coach
  3. A veteran, top pairing defender who can handle heavy minutes at evens and one of PK/PP
  4. A puck moving defenseman for the future
  5. A legit option for the moment when goaltending becomes an issue.

I’ve read a lot of items lately about Steve Tambellini having the pressure on him. I can’t see it. He’s about to get an extension. This rebuild has a lot of blacktop straight ahead.

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101 Responses to "PREVIEW OF COMING ATTRACTIONS?"

  1. DSF says:

    Speaking of Finns…

    Minnesota just signed Mikael Granlund to an entry level contract.

    With Granlund, Charlie Coyle, Zack Phillips and Johan Larsson (36P in the SEL) all good bets to make the team, the Wild are going to be a much tougher team.

  2. sliderule says:

    OMG Lt you have bought the kool aid.

    A puck moving defenceman for the future.Ryan Murray?

  3. Lowetide says:

    sliderule:
    OMG Lt you have bought the kool aid.

    A puck moving defenceman for the future.Ryan Murray?

    I was thinking Justin Schultz.

  4. Ribs says:

    It would be pretty silly to have Tambellini fire his coach before not signing the GM to an extension. That said, these guys do like doing things the hard way more often than not, so there is a little uncertainty there.

  5. sliderule says:

    LT
    I am so relieved.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Sliderule: I think the right play is draft Nail and then deal from strength at forward (waiting for another player to emerge and then dealing one of the top 6F–assuming Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Gagner, Yakupov, Hemsky).

    But I can also see them dealing down, because if you draft Nail Yakupov the next play might be trading Jordan Eberle.

    And I’ll bet actual money they will not do it.

  7. Rebilled says:

    5. Put in Nik for one more season, collect draft pick.

    The coaching change is subterfuge. Yann Danis played 32 minutes last year.

    NK= Hall, the Nuge, the Nail, and Mackinnon if the other shitty teams play worse than us.

    IMO, it’s gonna be a slow summer.

  8. godot10 says:

    Keller 1-1

  9. godot10 says:

    Damn waived off

  10. godot10 says:

    Gkove

  11. Lowetide says:

    You da man, DSF.

  12. sliderule says:

    Lowetide,
    I agree with your thinking.

    I had a little bird speak into my ear and tell me they would like Murray.I think they are concerned about fans reaction so they (remember Doan)will not do that.

    Draft Yakupov and sign Justin and as far as I am concerned the next Ten years will be good.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Sliderule: It may come down to how strong the offer is for #1 overall, but the club could also draft Nail, trade into the first round and grab Reinhart. Tambellini can afford another playoff miss.

  14. godot10 says:

    2-0.

  15. fuzzy muppet says:

    Danis is not looking good…

  16. godot10 says:

    Frattin’s line beating keller’s line

  17. godot10 says:

    Lines changing Green between Harry Keller

  18. godot10 says:

    Paajarvi rw with Argo coernet

  19. godot10 says:

    Tvyvainen n grant switch lines

  20. Germoil says:

    I’ve heard Marc Crawford is in contention for head coach. Thoughts?

  21. voxwah says:

    Germoil,

    Super yucky

  22. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide: Tambellini can afford another playoff miss.

    I think he can afford another playoff miss,yes,but I don’t think he can afford another lottery finish with the future(Hall) muttering under his breath about losing hockey games. The team needs to show real progress next season-meaningful hockey games past the Christmas break. Making the playoffs might be a reach depending on the changes they make this summer but in my opinion the procurement phase is over after they draft Yakupov and next up is constructing a winning hockey team.

    Unless of course the owner is sanctioning more losing,then I don’t know what the fuck the plan is.

  23. misfit says:

    DSF: Speaking of Finns…Minnesota just signed Mikael Granlund to an entry level contract.With Granlund, Charlie Coyle, Zack Phillips and Johan Larsson (36P in the SEL) all good bets to make the team, the Wild are going to be a much tougher team.

    I agree. Because if history tells us anything, it’s that the team with the most rookies usually does the best. It’s certainly been the case with the Oile…oh wait.

    Nice prospects all, but I don’t think any of the other 29 teams are going to be losing sleep at the prospect of those players all being in Minny’s lineup next year.

  24. Gerta Rauss says:

    I just watched the video above…the acid wash jeans…and the hair!!!

  25. Southern Oil says:

    One of the things that really hit me in that clip was at the end. The police officer is talking about how they arrested 45 people for disturbing the peace, down from 65 one year ago (then the clip cuts off as the cop I assume corrects himself and says 2 years ago.) Winning was just expected back then. No one thought any different.

    We are now on the flip side of that coin. Damn I miss those days.

  26. Lowetide says:

    The day of G7 1987 was maybe the only day during that entire period I was nervous, I mean really nervous–enough to remember. 1983 was about almost getting there, ’86 was fluke and ’89 came with an explanation.

    But if they lose that game to Hextall? Man, that was one day I’ll always remember.

  27. Gerta Rauss says:

    Yeah-the ’87 final…I recall we were up 3-1 in the series and planning the parade and then Philly won game 5 and 6 and had all the momentum. And wasn’t it tied 1-1 after 2 periods..?…then Kurri scored with the wrister from the left wall and then Anderson with the late insurance.

  28. Lowetide says:

    I swear to God Almighty I’ll enjoy the next one like I’m 20 again. Might kill me but what a way to go! :-)

  29. Cactus says:

    Gerta Rauss: I think he can afford another playoff miss,yes,but I don’t think he can afford another lottery finish with the future(Hall) muttering under his breath about losing hockey games. The team needs to show real progress next season-meaningful hockey games past the Christmas break. Making the playoffs might be a reach depending on the changes they make this summer but in my opinion the procurement phase is over after they draft Yakupov and next up is constructing a winning hockey team.

    Unless of course the owner is sanctioning more losing,then I don’t know what the fuck the plan is.

    This is exactly right. The problem here is the perception of timelines. Oilers fans see 6 straight seasons out of the playoffs. Management sees two (maybe two and a half) rebuild seasons. There were some sizeable improvements last year, masked by the fact that a jump in the standings did not follow. We’ll know in a couple months for sure.

    LT, I was hoping you could clarify the type of winger you’re looking for and where you think he could slot in. Assuming Yakupov is the pick and they don’t move him to the left, there will be a gap on the left side in the top 6. Arguably, that would call for a different type of winger than a bottom six-PK type (the bottom sixer will likely be Smyth if he’s back).

  30. DSF says:

    misfit: I agree.Because if history tells us anything, it’s that the team with the most rookies usually does the best.It’s certainly been the case with the Oile…oh wait.

    Nice prospects all, but I don’t think any of the other 29 teams are going to be losing sleep at the prospect of those players all being in Minny’s lineup next year.

    The Oilers have been adding, for the most part, one high end prospect at a time.

    The Wild are about to add four in one fell swoop.

    Ignore it if you like.

  31. Southern Oil says:

    I am not an Tambi fan and don’t think he is the right one to get us through the 2nd phase of the rebuild. One thing however that I can try to give him some credit for is the fact that last summer he checked off all the areas of need. I think we can easily now (hindsight is easy especially when we consider Belanger) question the decisions, but at least he checked off all the boxes. Other years it seemed they didn’t even care that some areas were not addressed in the offseason.

    I have some hope that maybe, just maybe he will be more successful this summer in his decisions. It’s not going to be easy though. Hard decisions are now going to have to be made (unlike the 1st section of the rebuild – losing is fairly easy) and the longer they push those off, the longer this rebuild is going to continue.

    We need to add sandpaper (unlike Hordichuk and Eager) that can play on the 3rd line and pot 15-20 / year. Puck moving blue liner with experience is another. I just don’t know where those are going to come from and for what price – especially when I think you have to draft Nail at 1.

  32. Southern Oil says:

    Lowetide:
    I swear to God Almighty I’ll enjoy the next one like I’m 20 again. Might kill me but what a way to go!

    All us folk that can remember the first time will have to get together, go down to Jasper ave and stand on top of bus stops and do the wave!

  33. SK Oiler Fan says:

    1.A veteran winger to help with PK/PP and guide the kids at evens (Ryan Smyth)
    2.Truculence (Ben Eager, Darcy Hordichuk)
    3.A veteran NHL defensemen (Andy Sutton)
    4.A faceoff man to help with PK and to balance the C position. (Eric Belanger)
    5.A legit option for the moment when goaltending becomes an issue. (Yann Danis)

    If I’m ST before last season started I think I scored a 75% in checking off this list..

    If I’m ST after the season, I’m thinking this shopping list wasn’t extensive enough or Renney mishandled the roster and alot of the players underachieved

  34. Lowetide says:

    cactus: I would hope they sign Smyth AND a veteran 2-way winger. The forwards might look like this:

    Gagner-Hall-Hemsky
    Nuge-Smyth-Eberle
    Horcoff-veteran LW-Yakupov
    Belanger-Paajarvi-Jones
    Petrell, Hartikainen

    Did I forget anyone?

  35. DSF says:

    Lowetide:
    cactus: I would hope they sign Smyth AND a veteran 2-way winger. The forwards might look like this:

    Gagner-Hall-Hemsky
    Nuge-Smyth-Eberle
    Horcoff-veteran LW-Yakupov
    Belanger-Paajarvi-Jones
    Petrell, Hartikainen

    Did I forget anyone?

    Ben Eager.

    Two more years to go.

  36. godot10 says:

    So I’m zero for two this week. I think this means I shouldn’t go on Friday.

    Same basic story. Barons with the edge in play. Marlies with the better goaltending, and the better bounces.

    The only weak matchup was Keller, Arcobello, Cornet vs. Frattin, Dupuis, and Deschamps. And Nelson changed the lines in the third period to try to fix that.

    I expect that Leneveu might get the start Friday after getting the 3rd period today.

    If it were me, I would go back to Paajarvi, Vandevelde, and Hartikainen. Green wasn’t as effective between the two, and that line was dominant in game 3. But I think Nelson is probably going to use the lines he used in the 3rd period tonight, with Keller moved up with Green and Hartikainen, and Paajarvi with Arcobello and Cornet. They are really missing Tremblay who could solidify Arcobello’s line defensively against the Frattin matchup Eakins is using against that line, and Paajarvi is probably the only fix he has for that matchup without Tremblay.

    Lander and PItlick and whomever are doing fine in their matchup.

  37. PunjabiOil says:

    The Wild are about to add four in one fell swoop.

    Yes, because Granlund, Coyle, Phillips and Johan Larsson are even remotely comparable to Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, and MPS.

    Of course, you were the same guy suggesting Taylor Hall’s comparable is Ethan Moreau.

    Mother Mary of God….

  38. Lowetide says:

    DSF: Ben Eager.

    Two more years to go.

    Eager won’t be a problem. Intrasquad, crazy Russian. OV-ERRRR!

  39. DSF says:

    PunjabiOil:
    The Wild are about to add four in one fell swoop.

    Yes, because Granlund, Coyle, Phillips and Johan Larsson are even remotely comparable to Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, and MPS.

    Of course, you were the same guy suggesting Taylor Hall’s comparable is Ethan Moreau.

    Mother Mary of God….

    You realize the Wild, WITHOUT Granlund, Coyle, Phillips and Larsson finished ahead of the Oilers WITH Eberle, Hopkins Hall and MPS, right?

    The Oilers might be adding Yakupov but the Wild will be adding FOUR high end prospects.

    Mother Mary of Krishna….

  40. DSF says:

    Lowetide: Eager won’t be a problem. Intrasquad, crazy Russian. OV-ERRRR!

    Isn’t he the veteran winger you’ve been looking for?

  41. bookje says:

    PunjabiOil:
    The Wild are about to add four in one fell swoop.

    Yes, because Granlund, Coyle, Phillips and Johan Larsson are even remotely comparable to Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, and MPS.

    Of course, you were the same guy suggesting Taylor Hall’s comparable is Ethan Moreau.

    Mother Mary of God….

    To be fair, genetically, they are likely more than 99.7% identical. Of course they are about 97% identical to chimpanzee so…

  42. Lowetide says:

    DSF: Isn’t he the veteran winger you’ve been looking for?

    Doesn’t look like Pisani to me. It’s funny, I always thought he could play a little, and maybe he comes back next season and shows more, but man he didn’t seem to be much of an improvement over Jacques.

  43. DSF says:

    Lowetide: Doesn’t look like Pisani to me. It’s funny, I always thought he could play a little, and maybe he comes back next season and shows more, but man he didn’t seem to be much of an improvement over Jacques.

    I’m not sure what “looks like Pisani” but I expect It’s really not all that important.

    Save one “Springtime in Paris”, Pisani wasn’t all that.

    I can understand why you would think that way though.

    The Oilers need a Dustin Brown, a Drew Doughty and a Willie Mitchell.

    Then they’ll be good to go.

  44. DonDon says:

    If one is realistic in assessing real NHLers, the Oilers top six forwards consist of: Eberle, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, Xxxxx and Xxxxx (the latter two not with the club yet). Gagner, Hemsky, Smyth are not in this class. Horcoff, Jones, Eager, Hordichuk, Petrell would have difficulty making any other NHL squad. We can only hope that Paajarvi and Hartikainen can make the team next season. It is a tough league.

    What we have here is one top six NHL centre with Gagner not a very good third line centre (best to trade him). Forget Horcoff and Belanger. That is why there is talk of switching Hall to centre. If the new CBA is concluded with an amnesty clause, Horcoff will be gone into retirement.

    And people think the defence is the Oilers weakest part of the team. Unless ST grows a brain, this team will be a lottery pick again next year. Sad!

    We forget how bad this team is until we experience the SC playoffs.

  45. TheOtherJohn says:

    Really hate to say it but I agree with DSF re 4 prospects. That is a fairly nice cluster of talent to add to an mediocre team. Not Hall, Eberle and RNH but there was an extreme cost we paid for that luxury: DFL, DFL and 29th. Love Coyle. Can we get him to play with RNH and Eberle?

    I expect if we are not competing for a playoff spot the last week of next season, Tambo may take over from Rick Olczyk as our cap guy. Or working a TSN game day panel

  46. DonDon says:

    DonDon:
    If one is realistic in assessing real NHLers, the Oilers top six forwards consist of:Eberle, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, Xxxxx and Xxxxx (the latter two not with the club yet).Gagner, Hemsky, Smyth are not in this class.Horcoff, Jones, Eager, Hordichuk, Petrell would have difficulty making any other NHL squad. We can only hope that Paajarvi and Hartikainen can make the team next season. It is a tough league.

    What we have here is one top six NHL centre with Gagner not a very good third line centre (best to trade him).Forget Horcoff and Belanger.That is why there is talk of switching Hall to centre.If the new CBA is concluded with an amnesty clause, Horcoff will be gone into retirement.

    And people think the defence is the Oilers weakest part of the team.Unless ST grows a brain, this team will be a lottery pick again next year.Sad!

    We forget how bad this team is untilwe experience the SC playoffs.

  47. Lowetide says:

    DonDon: WHAT?

  48. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide:
    cactus: I would hope they sign Smyth AND a veteran 2-way winger. The forwards might look like this:

    Gagner-Hall-Hemsky
    Nuge-Smyth-Eberle

    Did I forget anyone?

    Probably not but now I’m trying to forget I ever saw that top 6.

    Kaka.

  49. gd says:

    I believe ST needs to finish in the top 10 in the West, unless there are a ton of injuries or DD is a disaster or he should be in trouble.

    I’m thinking Sask born Travis Moen for the LW, I think we know who the hard ass coach is, and the there are a ton of obtainable options for the D, without creating a hole somewhere else (Carle, Garrison, Wideman, Oduya, Kuba, Rosival, Tyutin, Martin, Michelak).

    Justin Schultz is the key signee for ST as the fit is so perfect he’s should be able to close the deal. I would explain to him that “someone is getting 40pts on the point on this PP so it might as well be you”. Plus he should point out that $950,000 goes a lot farther here than in Van, NY and TO and hey he did say Edmonton was his favourite city at one point in his life.

    I don’t think the goaltending is as dire as most fans, as I think DD has shown enough that he should be at least a top 20 goaltender and NK is okay as long as he doesn’t have to play more than 25 games. Over half the teams in the league would be in trouble if their starter got hurt or struggled. LA, Phoenix and Nashville would have missed the playoffs if their starter got hurt, the Rangers would have been pretty weak if Lundquist got hurt, and Pittsburgh would probably be on the way to the Cup if they had a half decent backup who could have rescued the Philly series. If nothing else this is the season to see if DD can handle it or not.

    I think it is plausible that Phoenix, San Jose and Nashville could be falling out of the playoffs next year, so there is room for the Oil to take a big step up with the right and fairly easy moves this summer.

  50. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide:

    But I can also see them dealing down, because if you draft Nail Yakupov the next play might be trading Jordan Eberle.

    Lowetide, that would suck in just so many ways. If one of the three amigos goes it has to be Hall imo. Stay healthy for 75 games, put up points like Eberle has and RNH will, and maybe just maybe show us all you have the hockey smarts of the two previously mentioned, or you are what you are. #3 on the list.

    Would be sad and incredibly stupid, (hello Oilers), to trade any one of the three, but it would sure serve to show just how bad this management team allowed this team to get. Katz might even wake up in the process.

    Trade the pick for NOW help on the back end and we shouldn’t have to worry about it, Or, do what I think they are preparing to do and that’s throw big cash at a FA.

  51. DSF says:

    gd,

    gd,

    There is no plausible reason why Phoenix, San Jose or Nashville will regress next season. None.

    If the Oilers are going to make the playoffs, they will have to earn it.

  52. DSF says:

    gd:
    I believe ST needs to finish in the top 10 in the West, unless there are a ton of injuries or DD is a disasteror he should be in trouble.

    I’m thinking Sask born Travis Moen for the LW, I think we know who the hard ass coach is, and the there are a ton of obtainable options for the D, without creating a hole somewhere else (Carle, Garrison, Wideman, Oduya, Kuba, Rosival, Tyutin, Martin, Michelak).

    Justin Schultz is the key signee for ST as the fit is so perfect he’s should be able to close the deal. I would explain to him that “someone is getting 40pts on the point on this PP so it might as well be you”. Plus he should point out that $950,000 goes a lot farther here than in Van, NY and TO and hey he did say Edmonton was his favourite city at one point in his life.

    I don’t think the goaltending is as dire as most fans, as I think DD has shown enough that he should be at least a top 20 goaltender and NK is okay as long as he doesn’t have to play more than 25 games. Over half the teams in the league would be in trouble if their starter got hurt or struggled. LA, Phoenix and Nashville would have missed the playoffs if their starter got hurt, the Rangers would have been pretty weak if Lundquist got hurt, and Pittsburgh would probably be on the way to the Cup if they had a half decent backup who could have rescued the Philly series. If nothing else this is the season to see if DD can handle it or not.

    I think it is plausible that Phoenix, San Jose and Nashville could be falling out of the playoffs next year, so there is room for the Oil to take a big step up with the right and fairly easy moves this summer.

    Shultz said his favorite “place to visit” was Edmonton.

    He also said his favorite team is the Vancouver Canucks.

    If Vancouver brings back Salo in a diminished role or cuts him loose, Shutlz could find himself playing for a contender.

  53. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Lowetide: cactus: I would hope they sign Smyth AND a veteran 2-way winger. The forwards might look like this:Gagner-Hall-HemskyNuge-Smyth-EberleHorcoff-veteran LW-YakupovBelanger-Paajarvi-JonesPetrell, HartikainenDid I forget anyone?

    Hello Lottery
    ST will lose his job with that forward lineup unless he borrows the NYR D and G for next year.

  54. PunjabiOil says:

    You realize the Wild, WITHOUT Granlund, Coyle, Phillips and Larsson finished ahead of the Oilers WITH Eberle, Hopkins Hall and MPS, right?

    The Oilers might be adding Yakupov but the Wild will be adding FOUR high end prospects.

    You do realize the Minnesota Wild had the 3rd worst goal differential in the league at -49, well worse than the Oilers -27? I mean, you do realize that, right?

    You do realize all of Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, and Hall have projected ceilings much higher than Granlund, Coyle, Phillips and Larsson. I mean, you do realize that, right?

    You do realize the Oilers will likely improve with adding some NHL defencemen this summer and giving Dubnyk more starts next season. You do realize that, right?

    You do realize the Minnesota prospects have absolutely nothing to do with LT’s post, and the only reason you posted your daily nonsense was in attempt to troll – i mean, you do realize that, right?

    You do realize you are the least respected poster, both here and on OilersNation. I mean, you do realize that, right?

    Twat.

  55. DSF says:

    PunjabiOil:
    You realize the Wild, WITHOUT Granlund, Coyle, Phillips and Larsson finished ahead of the Oilers WITH Eberle, Hopkins Hall and MPS, right?


    The Oilers might be adding Yakupov but the Wild will be adding FOUR high end prospects.

    You do realize the Minnesota Wild had the 3rd worst goal differential in the league at -49, well worse than the Oilers -27?I mean, you do realize that, right?

    You do realize all of Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, and Hall have projected ceilings much higher than Granlund, Coyle, Phillips and Larsson. I mean, you do realize that, right?

    You do realize the Oilers will likely improve with adding some NHL defencemen this summer and giving Dubnyk more starts next season.You do realize that, right?

    You do realize the Minnesota prospects have absolutely nothing to do with LT’s post, and the only reason you posted your daily nonsense was in attempt to troll – i mean, you do realize that, right?

    You do realize you are the least respected poster, both here and on OilersNation.I mean, you do realize that, right?

    Twat.

    PunjabiOil,

    You realize the Wild finished 7 points ahead of the Oilers while having the worst offense in the entire league, right?

    You realize they are about to add FOUR high end offensive prospects in ONE offseason, right?

    Gee, I wonder how that will work out?

  56. Lowetide says:

    SK Oiler Fan: Hello Lottery
    ST will lose his job with that forward lineup unless he borrows the NYR D and G for next year.

    I don’t think the Oilers plan on adding more than Smyth and another veteran winger up front–I mean aside from Yakupov.

    Horcoff returns, Belanger too. I don’t think you’re going to be able to offload horcoff and he can still play. He can’t outscore the toughs but he battled this past season and maybe they can give him Smyth and that other veteran RW.

    I don’t think they’ll make the playoffs either. But a top 6F as I’ve listed is imo pretty damn good. Plus you still have some good looking kids like Paajarvi and Hartikainen who could push their way through.

  57. PunjabiOil says:

    You realize the Wild finished 7 points ahead of the Oilers while having the worst offense in the entire league, right?

    I do realize that. I also realize they had a lot of shootout wins.

    You do realize that, right?


    You realize they are about to add FOUR high end offensive prospects in ONE offseason, right
    ?

    You do realize ”high end offensive prospects” from the group you claim, is very, very debatable, and some may bust. You do realize that, right?

    Good god, what value do you add here?

    Serious question.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Cabbiesmacker is my new favorite!

  59. Schitzo says:

    PunjabiOil:

    You do realize ”high end offensive prospects” from the group you claim, is very, very debatable, and some may bust.

    Look, breaking in a barbershop quartet of rookies is easy. You just give all of them a ton of sheltered minutes all the time. There must be what, 30 or 40 minutes of sheltered ice time per night? Simple.

  60. Woodguy says:

    A legit option for the moment when goaltending becomes an issue.

    Its been an issue for 4 years.

    v4.0 hanging on to Khabby like grim death is disheartening.

    I hope the new coach doesn’t do what Renney did and play him too much and too often.

    Khabby showing up at training camp would be too much and too often for my taste.

  61. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think the Oilers plan on adding more than Smyth and another veteran winger up front–I mean aside from Yakupov. Horcoff returns, Belanger too. I don’t think you’re going to be able to offload horcoff and he can still play. He can’t outscore the toughs but he battled this past season and maybe they can give him Smyth and that other veteran RW. I don’t think they’ll make the playoffs either. But a top 6F as I’ve listed is imo pretty damn good. Plus you still have some good looking kids like Paajarvi and Hartikainen who could push their way through.

    I don’t disagree with this, but can’t ST aim a little higher? I just don’t see a good chance at improvement from that forward lineup so why even bother?

    Expecting a significant improvement over last years performance for the following would be foolish IMO:
    Horc, Belanger, Smyth, Jones, Pettrel, Eager

    Expecting more out of Eberle and RNH is also foolish and they could actually decrease in performance – they’re young – it happens.

    Guys that are good bets to improve upon last year’s performance IMO:
    Hemsky, Hall, Harti, PRV

    Gagner – who knows, if he’s healthy all year a slight improvement on the scoresheet and in the D zone should be possible

    Adding Yak will obviously help the O and PP.

    This lineup can’t withstand any significant injury to any of the studs – there’s not enough forward depth to cope.

    That all adds up to not good enough 5 on 5….. again. The PP will be top 5, and I’d expect the PK to be similar or could actually regress.

    C is a disaster IMO regardless of who are on the wings – Not strong enough, not fast enough, not good enough at the dot as a whole. Nothing close to a complete center. RNH should get there, but that’s 2-3 years down the road.

    Terribly unbalanced – Another wasted season. Why not bight the bullet and make the changes at C now. This team can’t compete with that combiation of Cs

  62. Traktor says:

    Lowetide:

    If your ideal lineup has MPS playing on the 4th line then why not trade him right now? I think we have all seen enough of MPS and Belanger on the same line.

    I imagine Edmonton is still looking for a center that can help Horcoff as Belanger didn’t offer much help. Both players were dreadful last year and both are around 35 years old so counting on them probably isn’t too wise.

    DSF: nobody cares about the Minnesota Wild’s prospects.

  63. Traktor says:

    SK Oiler Fan: I don’t disagree with this, but can’t ST aim a little higher? I just don’t see a good chance at improvement from that forward lineup so why even bother?

    Expecting a significant improvement over last years performance for the following would be foolish IMO:
    Horc, Belanger, Smyth, Jones, Pettrel, Eager

    Expecting more out of Eberle and RNH is also foolish and they could actually decrease in performance – they’re young – it happens.

    Guys that are good bets to improve upon last year’s performance IMO:
    Hemsky, Hall, Harti, PRV

    Gagner – who knows, if he’s healthy all year a slight improvement on the scoresheet and in the D zone should be possible

    Adding Yak will obviously help the O and PP.

    This lineup can’t withstand any significant injury to any of the studs – there’s not enough forward depth to cope.

    That all adds up to not good enough 5 on 5….. again. The PP will be top 5, and I’d expect the PK to be similar or could actually regress.

    C is a disaster IMO regardless of who are on the wings – Not strong enough, not fast enough, not good enough at the dot as a whole. Nothing close to acomplete center. RNH should get there, but that’s 2-3 years down the road.

    Terribly unbalanced – Another wasted season. Why not bight the bullet and make the changes at C now. This team can’t compete with that combiation of Cs

    Best post in the thread.

  64. gd says:

    SK Oiler Fan: I don’t disagree with this, but can’t ST aim a little higher? I just don’t see a good chance at improvement from that forward lineup so why even bother?

    Expecting a significant improvement over last years performance for the following would be foolish IMO:
    Horc, Belanger, Smyth, Jones, Pettrel, Eager

    Expecting more out of Eberle and RNH is also foolish and they could actually decrease in performance – they’re young – it happens.

    Guys that are good bets to improve upon last year’s performance IMO:
    Hemsky, Hall, Harti, PRV

    Gagner – who knows, if he’s healthy all year a slight improvement on the scoresheet and in the D zone should be possible

    Adding Yak will obviously help the O and PP.

    This lineup can’t withstand any significant injury to any of the studs – there’s not enough forward depth to cope.

    That all adds up to not good enough 5 on 5….. again. The PP will be top 5, and I’d expect the PK to be similar or could actually regress.

    C is a disaster IMO regardless of who are on the wings – Not strong enough, not fast enough, not good enough at the dot as a whole. Nothing close to acomplete center. RNH should get there, but that’s 2-3 years down the road.

    Terribly unbalanced – Another wasted season. Why not bight the bullet and make the changes at C now. This team can’t compete with that combiation of Cs

    Of the playoff teams in the West only two of them (Chicago-Toews and St. Louis-Perron/McDonald) had any of their top 4 forwards miss 20 or more games. If the Oil can even get average health I think they have strong enough forwards to compete. I look at LA who only made the playoffs by 5 pts. If Kopitar and Brown miss 20 games each like Hall and RNH did I would think they would have missed the playoffs instead of going to the finals.

    I think you are right about not expecting Eberle to improve, but I think it is totally plausible to expect RNH to take a step up. Tavares went from 54 pts to 67 pts in his second yr and Stamkos went from 46 to 95 in his second year. I think if RNH can get to 19 minutes a game and Horcuff down to 16 the four Centres would be around average for the league. Yes I wish we had a 6’4″ C like Jordan Staal, but I hope that is something they get in a year or two.

    Now improving the D is what I hope Is the major focus of management.

  65. Magnus says:

    Just out of curiosity, why exactly do you think we need a “hard ass” coach. I think that’s the last thing the team needs right now. A coach that uses a good system that suits the make-up of the team, yes. A coach that wants physical play and aggressiveness, sure. But hard ass? This team’s still young and they’re still learning. I don’t see the benefit of a coach like that with this team.

  66. stevezie says:

    DSF:
    gd,

    gd,

    There is no plausible reason why Phoenix, San Jose or Nashville will regress next season. None.

    If the Oilers are going to make the playoffs, they will have to earn it.

    Your basic sentiment, that the Oilers shouldn’t count on making the playoffs because someoen else is going to give them the spot, is bang on, but there are plausible resasons for each of those teams regressing.

    PHX – Mike Smith remembers he is Mike Smith is a big one. Especially if the team moves (which is still on the table, if less likely) and Tippet decides he’s not moving with it. Remember this is the same guy who absolutely sucked in Tampa for a few years- recently. Age suddenly catching Doan would also hurt them, though judging by this year’s playoffs I’m not too worried. OEL following Doughty’s career path would also really hurt.

    San Jose – Their best players are mostly old. I like Couture and Pavelski, but if they couldn’t carry the team last year… Their goalie is hardly a model of consistancy either. They barely made the playoffs this year, why would you think they’re a lock next? (I too think they’ll make it, but no money is being wagered).

    NSH – How could you possibly say there’s no plausible reason Nashville regressed? There is a hugely PROBABLE reason for it – They may lose one of the best defenceman in the league for nothing. Add in their dressing room culture seeming slightly damaged and the possibility that they may decide to trade Shea Weber.

    Remember, someone from this years group isn’t making it. I don’t think it matter who though. Either the Oil can get to 95 points or they can’t.

  67. Cactus says:

    Lowetide:
    cactus: I would hope they sign Smyth AND a veteran 2-way winger. The forwards might look like this:

    Gagner-Hall-Hemsky
    Nuge-Smyth-Eberle
    Horcoff-veteran LW-Yakupov
    Belanger-Paajarvi-Jones
    Petrell, Hartikainen

    Did I forget anyone?

    LT, my concern is that Smyth can’t go at a second line pace for an entire season anymore. His last 2/3s of 2011-12 were solid, but probably not what you want on the second line. Ideally, I’d like to try Yakupov on the left side, but failing that, I’d rather see them bring in a second-third line guy who can alternate up and down the lineup along with Smyth. Until his playoff success that might have been a guy like Penner, but I can’t see that going now.

  68. Lowetide says:

    Magnus:
    Just out of curiosity, why exactly do you think we need a “hard ass” coach. I think that’s the last thing the team needs right now. A coach that uses a good system that suits the make-up of the team, yes. Acoach that wants physical play and aggressiveness, sure. But hard ass? This team’s still young and they’re still learning. I don’t see the benefit of a coach like that with this team.

    I don’t either. I don’t think it’s the way to go at all. However, talk of Sutter replacing Renney (and I do think it’ll be a different coach in style based on what we’re reading) suggests more of a task master.

  69. Lowetide says:

    Cactus: LT, my concern is that Smyth can’t go at a second line pace for an entire season anymore.His last 2/3s of 2011-12 were solid, but probably not what you want on the second line.Ideally, I’d like to try Yakupov on the left side, but failing that, I’d rather see them bring in a second-third line guy who can alternate up and down the lineup along with Smyth.Until his playoff success that might have been a guy like Penner, but I can’t see that going now.

    Sure, agree completely. But you have Paajarvi coming along, Hartikainen too and the veteran winger we’re calling Pisani. I think the Oilers will be in a better position with Harski and Paajarvi a year older.

  70. stevezie says:

    I think that the Success of Sutter in LA shows that the need to alternate between “players coach” and “hardass” may be overstated; as long as you move from “good coach” to “better coach” you’re doing fine.

    If Tambo knew there was a “better” coach out there than making the switch was a Michael move. If he fired him without being sure of that that it was Fredo.

  71. Jesse says:

    stevezie: Your basic sentiment, that the Oilers shouldn’t count on making the playoffs because someoen else is going to give them the spot, is bang on, but there are plausible resasons for each of those teams regressing.

    PHX –Mike Smith remembers he is Mike Smith is a big one. Especially if the team moves (which is still on the table, if less likely) and Tippet decides he’s not moving with it. Remember this is the same guy who absolutely sucked in Tampa for a few years- recently. Age suddenly catching Doan would also hurt them, though judging by this year’s playoffs I’m not too worried. OEL following Doughty’s career path would also really hurt.

    This is a very good point. I can’t see Phoenix doing anything but regressing next year, and if it’s only by a little that should be considered a huge success. Their two leading scorers are 39 and 35 years old respectively. You are exactly brimming with offensive potential at that age, and it’s entirely likely they regress, which is bad news for a defense first team (despite decent offensive production in the playoffs).

    Also in regards to Mike Smith, it seems unlikely his SV% returns to nine freaking thirty next year.

  72. Truth says:

    Your missing #6: Add Jordin Tootoo (or someone similar who can up the intensity)

    For us Oiler fans who have probably forgot what it means to hit:
    body check 
    noun Ice Hockey .
    an obstructing or impeding with the body of the movement or progress of an opponent. Compare check1 ( def. 37 ) .

  73. slopitch says:

    I think Minny will be better next year if Koivu stats healthy. Bringing in 4 rookies won’t help though. We tried that with HOPE.

    LT, I’d rather

    Nuge, Hall, Eberle
    Gags, Smyth, Yakapov
    Horc, Pajarvi, Hemsky
    Belanger, Eager, Jones

    Even with the current d, I can’t see the Oilers not taking a giant step forward next year. Need to find another Nick Schultz. A Justin wouldn’t hurt either.

  74. Ducey says:

    I hesitate to post this now that LT has decided the Oilers are taking Nail, but

    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/19126009/rating-the-nhl-rumor-oilers-blue-jackets-could-swap-picks

  75. jake70 says:

    How would a team go about getting J Tavares out of NYI? Boy would I love to see him with this young group. Signed for 6 years at 5.5M it looks like.

    Gagner, First overall, first next year(?) for Taveres……..mix in some cap balancers and sweeteners etc. to make it work. Could ST pull a fast one on Snow?

    Horcoff’s anchor contract is going to cause problems sooner or later.

  76. Moosemess says:

    On the CBJ front, I’m surprised that the Luke Schenn trade rumour still has legs while we’ve heard nary a peep RE: the Oil swapping picks with the Jackets with Rick Nash in the mix as potential compensation.

    How would Oil fans feel about a Yakupov, Gagner and Hemsky swap for a Nash, Ryan Johansen and Ryan Murray deal? This deal would gives us a power winger, a young center with size and blue chip d prospect in 1 fell swoop. Might be a step back before it becomes a step forward, but it does potentially address the balanced lineup issue.

    Howson was loathe to trade Johansen in any scenario last year, but the above would be a pretty enticing package.

    Talk about your potential blockbuster….

  77. Traktor says:

    jake70:

    Horcoff’s anchor contract is going to cause problems sooner or later.

    If he was a UFA Edmonton would likely let him walk and look for a better option. The only thing keeping on the team right now is his contract.

    Gagner needs to turn into Gilmour right fucking now. I’m not a fan but he is the key to offsetting Horcoff and Belanger. If RNH and Gags can play 20 minutes each we can limited Horc and Belanger to 10 minutes per game.

  78. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: Eager won’t be a problem. Intrasquad, crazy Russian. OV-ERRRR!

    EVG/60:
    Ben Eager has been .85-1.05G/60.
    averaged .95G/60.
    go from 08-09 to now and alot of the same names are in his production range.
    LucicStempniak
    Higgins
    Mcginn
    Vanek
    Hall
    Elias
    Gagne
    Larose
    torres
    Kunitz
    Antropov

    Yup! Eager is a problem?
    Please look at his goal highlights.

    Alot of nice wrist shots and dmen aimlessly trying to move 240lb forwrd from net.
    The dal SJ goal on Page 2 is just Sick. #23 pick in 2002.

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlp=8470280&lang=en

    Guy is a 19-21G/season player with 14:30 ev per night. with RNH-Eberlehow many?????????????

  79. Traktor says:

    Moosemess:

    How would Oil fans feel about a Yakupov, Gagner and Hemsky swap for a Nash, Ryan Johansen and Ryan Murray deal? This deal would gives us a power winger, a young center with size and blue chip d prospect in 1 fell swoop. Might be a step back before it becomes a step forward, but it does potentially address the balanced lineup issue.

    That seems pretty slanted in Edmonton’s favor imo.

    CBus would be crazy to substitute Johansen for Gagner, and Nash>>Hemsky.

    To put things in perspective the best offer Edmonton received for Hemsky was a 2nd + 4th from Nasvhille whereas CBus was asking for a 1st rounder, impact roster player, and a top prospect for Nash.

    I can’t remember the deal but apparently CBus turned down a monster offer from NY at the last minute before the TDL expired. I think it was Dubinsky, Kreider, 1st rounder and something else.

  80. hockeyguy10 says:

    Lowetide: I don’t either. I don’t think it’s the way to go at all. However, talk of Sutter replacing Renney (and I do think it’ll be a different coach in style based on what we’re reading) suggests more of a task master.

    Obviously the Sutters don’t smile a lot,but that doesn’t make them hardass. Ex-NHLer Rhett Warner is on the radio down here in Cowtown. From what he says the players all like playing for the Sutters.
    Brent Sutter could get a little animated during timeouts but he isn’t one for yelling and screaming at players on the bench or throwing them under the bus in post game interviews.The Flames had success in games when ALL their players bought into what Brent was selling.Their problem was not sticking to the system Brent wanted,especially their so called top line guys.

  81. misfit says:

    DSF: The Oilers have been adding, for the most part, one high end prospect at a time.

    The Wild are about to add four in one fell swoop.

    Ignore it if you like.

    We added Hall, Eberle, Omark and Paajarvi in 10/11 and the team was actually worse than the previous year.

    The 4 Wild prospects you mentioned are solid prospects, but they’ll all be rookies next year, and more often than not, rookies hurt you more than they help you. Even when sheltered, most rookies struggle and it’s a lot harder to shelter 4 than 1 or 2.

  82. Moosemess says:

    Traktor, I agree the deal is a better one for the Oil, but possibly it’s a reasonable deal for CBJ as well if they look at it like this instead?

    Yakupov – Nash
    Gagner – Johansen
    Hemsky – Murray

    Yakupov for Nash is an upgrade, a potential comparable sniper whose younger and cheaper.

    Yes, Gagner for Johansen could be seen as a downgrade by CBJ, but you have to give up something to get something and other than the size issue, this does break down as a swap of comparable prospects in terms of where they were drafted.

    Hemsky – Murray. Really boils down to Howson view Hemmer vs. the potential upside of Murray. Both come with question marks (Hemsky’s health / contract vs. Murray could be a bust). Given Columbus needs to improve NOW, I suspect Howson would consider Hemsky worth the risk and like this part of the deal.

    Looking at it from an optics perspective, Hemsky gives Columbus a productive winger to help replace the immediate scoring lost by Nash while Yakupov finds his way, with the latter a significant upgrade over the lost Johansen. Looking it at it from that perspective, the trade’s pretty balanced so it boils down to Murray for Gagner. The Blue Jackets do need more offense, so again this seems compelling. Possibly the Oil sweeten the deal with a 2nd rounder?

  83. Ducey says:

    Moosemess,

    Nash isn’t waiving his no trade to come to Edmonton.

  84. DSF says:

    I wonder if Sather would consider the following trade.

    From Oilers:
    1st overall
    Paajarvi

    From Rangers:
    Chris Kreider (6’3″ 230lbs)
    Dylan McIlrath (6’5″ 220lbs)

    Hall-Hopkins-Eberle
    Kreider-Gagner-Hemsky

    Addresses the size issue and the lack of toughness RFN.

  85. Moosemess says:

    Nothing roadblocks a good trade rumor like logic. lol

  86. bendelson says:

    Drafting Yak and somehow signing Schultz is an absolute best case scenario for the Oilers this summer.

    Drafting Murray #1 keeps the team at status quo for another year.

    Trading down to draft whomever is a massive risk IMO given I don’t believe Tambo has the ability to get it done without being exploited as an inferior GM.
    It’s far more likely we get fleeced in this scenario.

    I’m glad to hear KLowe is sort of suggesting Yak is is good possibility.
    Until now, I was confident the Oilers would ignore the BPA and were fixed on taking Murray.

    Who knows… Maybe Sutter isn’t a done deal yet and they do a real analysis of their options and choose BCA (best coach available)!

  87. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Cactus: LT, my concern is that Smyth can’t go at a second line pace for an entire season anymore. His last 2/3s of 2011-12 were solid, but probably not what you want on the second line.

    Ryan Smyth 2011-12

    First 22 GP: 12-12-24, +3
    Last 60 GP : 7-15-22, -8

    * * *
    PS: Compliments to LT for the photo/headline combo (or maybe “pair” is a better word). Tastefully done.

  88. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide:
    The day of G7 1987 was maybe the only day during that entire period I was nervous, I mean really nervous–enough to remember. 1983 was about almost getting there, ’86 was fluke and ’89 came with an explanation.

    But if they lose that game to Hextall? Man, that was one day I’ll always remember.

    I was at that game, all of ten years old and there’s never been a bigger goal in the history of the universe than Kurri’s which made the score 3-1.

  89. Bruce McCurdy says:

    hunter1909,

    I was at that game too. Kurri actually made it 2-1 with about five minutes to go in the second, & there the score remained right through the third as Oiler outshot Philly 12-2 and found iron 3 other times. Philly had been coming back on Oilers all series and that 2-1 lead just didn’t seem safe no matter how much Edmonton was dominating play. Finally Anderson broke through late in the third to make it 3-1, and the roof just about came right off Northlands Coliseum. Loudest I ever heard it in there at a hockey game, I think.

  90. cabbiesmacker says:

    DSF:
    I wonder if Sather would consider the following trade.

    From Oilers:
    1st overall
    Paajarvi

    From Rangers:
    Chris Kreider (6’3″ 230lbs)
    Dylan McIlrath (6’5″ 220lbs)

    McIlrath skates like Magilla Gorilla. Pass.

    Like Kreider lots but doubtful he’s going anywhere

  91. cabbiesmacker says:

    Moosemess:

    How would Oil fans feel about a Yakupov, Gagner and Hemsky swap for a Nash, Ryan Johansen and Ryan Murray deal?

    If I’m on the Columbus end of the phone when that offer comes across I piss my pants hard laughing just before I roll off my chair onto the floor.

    Maybe we can get Ovy for Horcoff too?

  92. LMHF#1 says:

    DSF:
    I wonder if Sather would consider the following trade.

    From Oilers:
    1st overall
    Paajarvi

    From Rangers:
    Chris Kreider (6’3″ 230lbs)
    Dylan McIlrath (6’5″ 220lbs)

    Hall-Hopkins-Eberle
    Kreider-Gagner-Hemsky

    Addresses the size issue and the lack of toughness RFN.

    Ignoring the fact that McIlrath is an overrated goof who seems to stink at playing hockey.

  93. mattwatt says:

    rickithebear: EVG/60:Ben Eager has been .85-1.05G/60.averaged .95G/60.go from 08-09 to now and alot of the same names are in his production range.LucicStempniakHigginsMcginnVanekHallEliasGagneLarosetorresKunitzAntropovYup! Eager is a problem?Please look at his goal highlights.Alot of nice wrist shots and dmen aimlessly trying to move 240lb forwrd from net.The dal SJ goal on Page 2 is just Sick. #23 pick in 2002.http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlp=8470280&lang=enGuy is a 19-21G/season player with 14:30 ev per night. with RNH-Eberlehow many?????????????

    Issue with Eager is not being somewhat productively, it is that he has a 10 cent head in a 80 cent body. Relative corsi last 4 years for him are:

    2008: -5.4
    2009: -3.0
    2010: -12.6
    2011: -8.8

    Man certainly does not drive the puck in the right direction. This is easy to see when he is on the ice. My friends and I regard Eager as the “black hole” when he is in the defensive end; for if the puck comes to him, chances are it won’t be coming out to the neutral zone.

    Then there is his points/60. As lowetide stated on his year-end review, Eager”s points/60 was 1.46, 7th best amongst forwards. Not great by any stretch. Throw in the fact that he faced Quality of competition that was 13th toughest on the team and only put up that production, makes it harder to see how Eager can truly benefit this in the future that much at all.

    Eager could get 20+ goals if he ran with RNH and Eberle. However, so would a whole bunch of players who play in the NHL if given the chance to play with that talent. Then there is the issue about how much Eager would drag them down. Feel many on here would agree with me that it would be quite a bit.

    So you can run Eager with skill if you want. Just don’t be surprised if the skill becomes more inability after awhile.

  94. Lowetide says:

    Mattwatt nailed it. Sans brain. Fast as lightning, dumb as post.

  95. DSF says:

    cabbiesmacker: McIlrath skates like Magilla Gorilla. Pass.

    Like Kreider lots but doubtful he’s going anywhere

    Your scouting report certainly differs from the experts:

    “His mobility and footwork are impressive considering his size…He flat out intimidates with his style of play…He can contain forwards in all areas of the ice, especially down low…McIlrath does need to work on his puck skills as he handles it like a grenade.”
    McKeens 2010 Draft Preview

    “Big and mean, old-time typical NHL defenseman. He scares people not only with some frequent fights he might get in, but with 6-4, 212 lbs. straight ahead speed and offensive ability to match. Often, and in a very complimentary sense, makes puck carriers cut to the other side of the ice with his intimidating size.”
    - Director of NHL Central Scouting, E.J. McGuire

    “An old school defensemen who plays hard and very physical. A great deal of untapped potential that can be used in shut down situations as well as on the offensive side of the puck.”
    - Moose Jaw Warriors head coach Dave Hunchak

  96. Cactus says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Ryan Smyth 2011-12

    First 22 GP: 12-12-24, +3
    Last 60 GP : 7-15-22, -8

    * * *
    PS: Compliments to LT for the photo/headline combo (or maybe “pair” is a better word). Tastefully done.

    Thanks for the numbers Bruce. I think I was reading your year-end review on Smyth when I was thinking about where he slid into the 2012-13 lineup. Great stuff you and Jonathan have going at the Cult of Hockey right now.

  97. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Cactus: Thanks for the numbers Bruce. I think I was reading your year-end review on Smyth when I was thinking about where he slid into the 2012-13 lineup. Great stuff you and Jonathan have going at the Cult of Hockey right now.

    I’m believe his SH% was abnormally high, (even for Smyth) through that first 22 game stretch as well. He did skate better in the last 1/4 of the season, but the middle half was tough to watch.

    Love the guy, but besides not likley being able to hack more than 14 min / night over the course of the season, what are the chances he stays healthy for 82 games this year? Then if a miracle happens and they make the playoffs does he have anything left?

    1 year contract @ 2.5-3.0M max – 3rd line with some PK and PP time, plays 2nd line if injuries hit.

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