STRANGE DAYS

In the relatively short history of the Edmonton Oilers, the club has enjoyed some success drafting beyond the first three rounds each season.

Since 1979, the following players have been selected outside the top 3 rounds.

BARRY FRASER ERA

  1. 1979-Glenn Anderson, 1129 NHL games (498 goals)
  2. 1980-Jari Kurri, 1251 NHL games (601 goals)
  3. 1980-Walt Poddubny 468 NHL games (184 goals)
  4. 1980-Andy Moog 713 NHL games
  5. 1981-Steve Smith 804 NHL games
  6. 1981-Marc Habscheid 345 NHL games
  7. 1983-Esa Tikkanen 877 NHL games (244 goals)
  8. 1984-Todd Ewen 518 NHL games
  9. 1985-Kelly Buchberger 1182 NHL games
  10. 1987-Shaun Van Allen 794 NHL games
  11. 1988-Shjon Podein 699 NHL games
  12. 1989-Josef Beranek 531 NHL games
  13. 1990-Anatoli Semenov 362 NHL games
  14. 1991-David Oliver 233 NHL games
  15. 1993-Miro Satan 1050 NHL games (363 goals)
  16. 1996-Fernando Pisani 462 NHL games
  17. 1997-Jason Chimera 663 NHL games
  18. 1998-Shawn Horcoff 765 NHL games
  19. 2000-Matthew Lombardi 508 NHL games

KEVIN PRENDERGAST ERA

  1. Kyle Brodziak 419 NHL games

It’s a different world with 30 teams, but the Oilers of the Fraser era–even into the 90s–were drafting good hockey players outside the top 3 rounds. Since 2000–Kevin Lowe’s first year as GM–the Oilers have chosen to pass on signing future NHL players (Lombardi) and traded away useful players before their prime (Chimera, Brodziak).

It actually started with Miro Satan’s trade. The Oilers have been sending away their draft depth gems–or not signing them–since the mid 90s, with the exception of Pisani and Horcoff who were rewarded handsomely with contracts that made their value far less than their actual worth.

Strange. Oh by the way, the club isn’t going to sign Jeremie Blain. From what I’ve read since Jason Gregor broke the news, “inconsistent play” added to “chaotic defense” and “underwhelming performance down the stretch” made signing him a poor option.

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  1. hockeyguy10 says:

    Nobody told me there would be days like these when I became an Oiler fan.Strange days indeed.

  2. remember reijo says:

    We cant afford Blain.We need the contract room for the defenseman were going to draft in the second round……………………sigh. This team can seriously afford to package some of these defenseman. Tambellini needs to go to any Elementary school in the country at lunch time, and sit by the kid who’s mom never packed anything good in his lunch. Watch what he does.

  3. commonfan14 says:

    Anybody hear the Yakupov interview yesterday? Anything interesting?

  4. Traktor says:

    commonfan14:
    Anybody hear the Yakupov interview yesterday?Anything interesting?

    He said he doesn’t want to be drafted by Edmonton because they didn’t sign Blain.

  5. Maverick says:

    commonfan14:
    Anybody hear the Yakupov interview yesterday?Anything interesting?

    Nothing earth shattering. He sounded tired from all the interviews and being asked the same questions. Only thing I found interesting was at the end of the interview Yakupov did not know he was coming to Edmonton next week but Guy from the Pipeline show did. Other than that it all depends how the Oilers interpret his answers during their interview, character, maturity, etc. His lack of discussion on his injuries was a little vague, though. (I think it was a question from speeds)

    His talent is unquestioned, his TOI of 28 minutes in junior is, if someone else blows the Oilers’ doors off during the interviews can that be a factor in changing their minds??

    Pipeline show interview link from last night

    http://www.thepipelineshow.com/media_detail.php?show=1338264000&sn=7

  6. sliderule says:

    Lombardi had a monster year in his last year of junior and went back into the draft.

    If we don’t sign Reider before the end of summer and he has another big year do you think he will opt to go back into draft?

  7. slopitch says:

    Well we are 1st overall 3 years in a row. Bad decisions in bulk got us here. As for Blain… meh.

    Whats baffling is that the Oilers seem to have no problem paying Horcoff and Hemsky 5+ million and they were garbage last year. Smyth was better yet he’s always the guy fighting the contract, again. Sign the man already.

  8. commonfan14 says:

    Maverick – thanks for the comments and link

  9. delooper says:

    IMO those 80′s selections in a way you’re putting the spotlight on the wrong point. Those 80′s players became good NHL players because there was a solid system that ensured if they had an ouce of good hockey in them, the Oilers would get it out of them. Having people like Gretzky and Messier on a team gives everyone a complete chance to compete. It’s one of the main reasons why good players like to go to fairly complete teams, like Detroit in the late 90′s. A team with no real weakness doesn’t expose your weakness very much. So if gives you a chance to grow. Scouting is part of it but having the whole package in place, that’s really the key.

  10. rickithebear says:

    commonfan14: Whats baffling is that the Oilers seem to have no problem paying Horcoff and Hemsky 5+ million and they were garbage last year. Smyth was better yet he’s always the guy fighting the contract,

    Which zone you start in and who you face does matter.
    Upper first with less than 40% zone start expect .9EVP/60. (18 EV points)
    Lower 3rd comp greater than 65% zone start expect 3.00EVP/60. (60 EV points)
    Given the 48 situations you can tell how a player really performed.
    A 42point diffrence.
    Players with the easiest situation should perform 333% better than the hardest situation.

    Shawn Horcoff has faced the upper first line competition since the lockout.
    11-12 1.05 EVP/60 (1.20) UPR 1st 40-45%
    10-11 1.35 EVP/60 (1.50) UPR 1st 45-50%
    09-10 1.37 EVP/60 (1.20) UPR 1st 40-45%
    08-09 1.57 EVP/60 (0.90) UPR first less than 40%
    07-08 2.59EVP/60 (1.50) UPR 1st 45-50%

    Given who a player plays we can get a true measure versus the Average.

    Smyth was 1.93EVP/60 in a 1.70EVP/60 situation.
    Horcoff faced the 10th toughest situation out of 423 FWD.
    Smyth faced the 76th toughest out of 423 fwd

  11. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    slopitch:
    Well we are 1st overall 3 years in a row.Bad decisions in bulk got us here.As for Blain… meh.

    Whats baffling is that the Oilers seem to have no problem paying Horcoff and Hemsky 5+ million and they were garbage last year.Smyth was better yet he’s always the guy fighting the contract, again.Sign the man already.

    So b/c we have one bad contract in Horcoff it justifies taking another in Smyth? Let him go. I’d rather they spend the money on Stoll.

  12. Cactus says:

    remember reijo:
    We cant afford Blain.We need the contract room for the defenseman were going to draft in the second round……………………sigh. This team can seriously afford to package some of these defenseman. Tambellini needs to go to any Elementary school in the country at lunch time, and sit by the kid who’s mom never packed anything good in his lunch. Watch what he does.

    This seems to be a growing sentiment around the Oilers sites these days. However, it’s a lot easier to say “why don’t they just package 3 for 1″ than it is to actually work out the deal itself. Would you be willing to package, say, Klefbom, Gernat and Davidson in a deal? If so, for what kind of (realistic) return? Are you prepared to stake your job on it if Gernat turns out to be a true top pairing guy in three years?

    This stuff is a lot harder than it looks.

  13. LP says:

    Bohologo, That is very interesting expression, and rings true in many settings especially as an Oiler fan lol.

    A while back you wrote a comment about living in Russia and I’d like to applaud you for that. I think until you actually live somewhere else (say in Russia), you really don’t know much about said place. And your perception of the world is never the same after the fact, and for the better. Anyways, I meant to commend you on that comment. (about Russians going home vs staying in North America)

    commonfan14, I actually heard the interview last night and I didn’t think too much of it. Buddy seemed pretty tired and sounded like he had done many interviews before. As Maverick noted, the thing about him not knowing that he was coming to Edmonton to me sounded like it was his agent doing the planing and Yakupov not really sure of what was next. Not a bad thing I guess.

    As for him not speaking of his injuries, I could see how someone (say his agent) might’ve told him not to speak of them out of fear of impacting his draft position…

  14. Jordan says:

    So I was just reading Willis’ article about the coaching info Matty brought up, and… well… A dubious thought entered my mind.

    This rebuild is centred around Katz’ desire to recreate the Dynasty Oilers that he experienced in his youth. If my Oilers history is correct (and according to Wikipedia, it is), there was a time when Sather was both the head coach and the GM.

    Now, I’m not suggesting Tambelinni would take on the dual role now, but I think there might be another man in the head office who has some coaching experience.

    Are you terrified too?

  15. commonfan14 says:

    Why wouldn’t Davidson and Blain both be packaged with some other parts in a pitch to Anaheim for Schultz’s rights?

  16. Jordan says:

    commonfan14,

    Because Schultz is going to be UFA because it’s better for him carreer-wise. It doesn’t matter who has his rights – he’s going to be UFA because after his 2 year entry level is done, he can sign anywhere for any ammount.

    If he signs before July 1, that window closes. So there’s no value in trading for him, because he won’t sign before July 1.

  17. spoiler says:

    Jordan:
    commonfan14,

    Because Schultz is going to be UFA because it’s better for him carreer-wise.It doesn’t matter who has his rights – he’s going to be UFA because after his 2 year entry level is done, he can sign anywhere for any ammount.

    If he signs before July 1, that window closes.So there’s no value in trading for him, because he won’t sign before July 1.

    No. There’s no value in trading for his rights because he has quite evidently decided where he wants to play.

  18. commonfan14 says:

    spoiler,

    There’s definitely value in tradeing for his rights.

    Unless Tabo and Lowe and maybe even Katz have been tampering and know Schultz is signing with to the Oilers on July 1st, they should get his rights because it would mean they’d be able to talk to him, which they can’t do until July 1st now. I realize he’ll go UFA regardless of who has his rights and that it might be a futile move if he’s already decided on a different team, but it seems like a worthwhile gamble considering what a huge hole he could fill.

    Get his rights, then take advantage of the exclusive window to put on a full court press and sell him that the Oilers are his best option. If he’s already made up his mind, change it.

    If the braintrust can’t think of a way to do that and use something better than those Hemsky DVDs they sent Heatley, what good are they?

  19. LP says:

    Sorry for repeating the same question, but whats the point in trading for Shultz’ rights?

    The guys on Team 1260 were saying that come july 1st, all teams HAVE to offer the same contract $$ to Shultz. In other words, team A can’t offer more than team B.

    So if Shultz isn’t interested in ANA, then that implies he probably already has a team in mind.

    So why trade for his rights? The Oilers can’t offer any more money and besides, if he knows where he wants to go, it becomes completely pointless.

  20. Marc says:

    With all due respect LT, not one of those draft depth gems is a defenceman. In fact, over the last 20 years, no defenceman drafted outside of the first three rounds by the Oilers has managed to play even 150 games in the NHL. Not one.

    Remember when the math said that Petry, Chorney and Wild seemed to be equally good prospects? I recall some people on here questioning why the Oilers seemed to favour Petry when the other two guys looked just as good. It turns out that the Oilers knew what they were doing. The guy they favoured now looks like he can be a top 4 NHL D. The guy they dumped looks like a bad AHL D. And the guy they neither favoured nor dumped looks like a good AHL D.

    You can criticise the Oilers for a lot of things, but I really don’t think not signing Blain is one of them. They have a track record of knowing which D prospects are worth holding on to that I’m inclined to trust. And history tells us that a defenceman drafted outside of the first three rounds by the Oilers is unlikely to have any kind of an NHL career, let alone be a draft depth gem, so dumping Blain can more fairly be described as a low risk move.

  21. jake70 says:

    Looks like Nick Lidsrom is calling it quits.

  22. hunter1909 says:

    Great final starts tonight, lol.

    Normally I’d cheer for the Kings, but they’re looking a bit to divy and whining and it’s bad for hockey so go Lou and captain Zach Parise, lol.

    I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see Kovalchuk turn into a Conn Smyth winner.

  23. Ryan says:

    slopitch,

    Hey, I feel for Ryan Smyth, if he uses Horcoff and Hemsky as his comps, I can see why he wants ~$4 million or w/e.

    I’m as nostalgic as the rest of you, but I’m not bullish on signing Smyth even though he’s still a very useful hockey player.

    Assuming we draft Yakupov, then our top nine is the smurf parade. Again, I know this puts me in the minority here.

    With all of those suggesting our fourth line last year should have been PRV Belanger Omark, I don’t expect many to agree with me about needing some muscle in our top nine. And no I don’t mean macintryes or eagers, but browns, clutterbucks, lucic, wheelers, or Ladd types.

  24. spoiler says:

    commonfan14:
    spoiler,

    There’s definitely value in tradeing for his rights.

    Unless Tabo and Lowe and maybe even Katz have been tampering and know Schultz is signing with to the Oilers on July 1st, they should get his rights because it would mean they’d be able to talk to him, which they can’t do until July 1st now.I realize he’ll go UFA regardless of who has his rights and that it might be a futile move if he’s already decided on a different team, but it seems like a worthwhile gamble considering what a huge hole he could fill.

    Get his rights, then take advantage of the exclusive window to put on a full court press and sell him that the Oilers are his best option.If he’s already made up his mind, change it.

    If the braintrust can’t think of a way to do that and use something better than those Hemsky DVDs they sent Heatley, what good are they?

    You’re nuts. The kid has decided where he wants to play. All the GMs are likely aware of the situation. No one is going to waste assets to attempt to change his mind. Nor should anyone undertake such a foolish maneuver. They can talk to him all they want for free during the week of June if they want to, anyway.

  25. Woodguy says:

    Jordan:
    commonfan14,

    Because Schultz is going to be UFA because it’s better for him carreer-wise.It doesn’t matter who has his rights – he’s going to be UFA because after his 2 year entry level is done, he can sign anywhere for any ammount.

    If he signs before July 1, that window closes.So there’s no value in trading for him, because he won’t sign before July 1.

    No. He will still be RFA after 2 years.

    He could have signed with ANA late in the season and burned 1 year of his 2 year ELC, but didn’t.

    He has a 2 year ELC due to age.

    He is actually chosing to have 1 extra year of ELC by not signing with ANA late this year.

    He really doesn’t want to go to ANA.

  26. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear,

    Do you have the break down of all your categories posted somewhere?

    What size of data set did you loook at?

    Interesting stuff.

  27. spoiler says:

    Here’s a question:

    Would you throw a 7th rounder at Schultz and then pull some NHL lawyer out of a hat and make the Steve Smith argument that he’s draft eligible and now your property for two years? Assuming the appropriate research had been done beforehand and there is nothing out there that pre-empts what the CBA stipulates? (Like some unpublished ruling)

    Schultz has de-registered. He’d be Oiler property for two years. He has liked the city in the past. Would he accept the rules and play? My impression from recent NHL rulings is that if he bolts,, the clock on our rights doesn’t start ticking. Even if he demands a trade to the team of his choice, could he be had sold for more than he cost?

    Big “if” at the beginning of this proposal, I know, but would you be doing that due diligence needed to find out? At worst you lose a 7th rounder.

  28. spoiler says:

    spoiler:
    Here’s a question:

    Would you throw a 7th rounder at Schultz and then pull some NHL lawyer out of a hat and make the Steve Smith argument that he’s draft eligible and now your property for two years? Assuming the appropriate research had been done beforehand and there is nothing out there that pre-empts what the CBA stipulates? (Like some unpublished ruling)

    Schultz has de-registered. He’d be Oiler property for two years. He has liked the city in the past. Would he accept the rules and play? My impression from recent NHL rulings is that if he bolts,, the clock on our rights doesn’t start ticking. Even if he demands a trade to the team of his choice, could he be had sold for more than he cost?

    Big “if” at the beginning of this proposal, I know, but would you be doing that due diligence needed to find out?At worst you lose a 7th rounder.

    That’s a tad more than “a” question, dumbass.

  29. Lowetide says:

    lol. Where’s Steve Smith?

  30. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    lol. Where’s Steve Smith?

    Dude, there’s a new thread.

  31. Lowetide says:

    lol/

  32. Jonathan Willis says:

    Marc,

    While not signing Blain is a move that’s unlikely to come back to haunt the Oilers (he’s a long shot, after all), I think you’ve got history wrong.

    Taylor Chorney got chance after chance in the NHL early in his professional career, despite the fact that he was in way over his head and bleeding in the AHL, nevermind the NHL. Jeff Petry, on the other hand, got sent down repeatedly despite the fact that he was better than some of the NHL options at the time.

    I don’t think there’s any sort of case to be made that the Oilers favoured Petry over Chorney all down the line. Guy Flaming liked Petry better, sure – and he was right – but in the case of Chorney the math said he was dying as a pro but the team kept right on throwing him out there.

  33. spoiler says:

    Jonathan Willis:
    Marc,

    While not signing Blain is a move that’s unlikely to come back to haunt the Oilers (he’s a long shot, after all), I think you’ve got history wrong.

    Taylor Chorney got chance after chance in the NHL early in his professional career, despite the fact that he was in way over his head and bleeding in the AHL, nevermind the NHL.Jeff Petry, on the other hand, got sent down repeatedly despite the fact that he was better than some of the NHL options at the time.

    I don’t think there’s any sort of case to be made that the Oilers favoured Petry over Chorney all down the line.Guy Flaming liked Petry better, sure – and he was right – but in the case of Chorney the math said he was dying as a pro but the team kept right on throwing him out there.

    That had more to do with a lack of other options at the time, IIRC. I don’t think we can interpolate how the Oilers felt about the prospect from that usage. That said, I agree that there’s no real indication of “favoritism” either way.

  34. PerryK says:

    slopitch:
    Well we are 1st overall 3 years in a row.Bad decisions in bulk got us here.As for Blain… meh.

    Whats baffling is that the Oilers seem to have no problem paying Horcoff and Hemsky 5+ million and they were garbage last year.Smyth was better yet he’s always the guy fighting the contract, again.Sign the man already.

    What he said!

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