DRAFT WEEK POST #7: DESJARDINS’ NHLE

One of the ways we can measure the young prospects entering the draft is to compare them to players from the past. Although leagues and levels make it difficult, Gabriel Desjardins’ NHL equivalencies have proven to be an interesting and useful tool.

As we’ve done these over the years, many comments have suggested this isn’t a scientific measurement and there is real danger in suggesting a player with a 2 point lead over another is truly superior. To which I say–of course. We don’t know time on ice, we don’t measure the PP versus evens, on it goes.

It’s an interesting measurement–another line in the sand. And for a method that clearly has holes, it’s been pretty damn accurate many times. My thanks to Gabriel.

Forwards 2011 1st round

      1. Ryan Strome 12-28-40
      2. Sean Couturier 14-24-38
      3. Ryan Nugent Hopkins 11-27-38
      4. Jonathan Huberdeau 15-21-36
      5. Zack Phillips 13-20-33
      6. Sven Bartschi 13-19-32
      7. Gabriel Landeskog 17-14-31
      8. Matt Puempel 15-16-31
      9. Joel Armia 17-11-28
      10. Stefan Noesen 12-16-28
      11. Mark McNeill 11-17-28
      12. Mark Scheifele 8-20-28
      13. Vladislav Namestnikov 11-14-25
      14. Phillip Danault 8-16-24
      15. Nicklas Jensen 11-12-23
      16. Mika Zibanejad 12-10-22
      17. Rikark Rakell 10-12-22
      18. JT Miller 5-13-18
      19. Tyler Biggs 7-5-12

Defense 2011 1st round

    1. Ryan Murphy 10-21-31
    2. Dougie Hamilton 4-17-21
    3. Joe Morrow 4-16-20
    4. Nathan Beaulieu 4-12-16
    5. Adam Larsson 2-14-16
    6. Duncan Siemens 2-13-15
    7. Stuart Percy 2-11-13
    8. Connor Murphy 5-4-9
    9. Oscar Klefbom 3-3-6
    10. Jonas Brodin 0-6-6
    11. Jamie Oleksiak 1-4-5

 

Forwards 2012 1st round

      1. Nail Yakupov 18-22-40
      2. Tomas Hertl 19-21-40
      3. Tanner Pearson 15-22-37
      4. Mikhail Grigorenko 16-17-33
      5. Alex Galchenyuk 11-19-30 (16 year old season)
      6. Radek Faksa 12-15-27
      7. Tim Bozon 13-12-25
      8. Zemgus Girgensons 11-14-25
      9. Brendan Gaunce 10-15-25
      10. Teuvo Teravainen 12-8-20
      11. Pontus Aberg 11-9-20
      12. Scott Laughton 8-12-20
      13. Henrik Samuelsson 6-14-20
      14. Filip Forsberg 3-3-6
      15. Sebastian Collberg 0-0-0

Defense 2012 1st round

    1. Morgan Rielly 4-21-25
    2. Cody Ceci 7-16-23
    3. Matt Dumba 7-13-20
    4. Dalton Thrower 7-13-20
    5. Derrick Pouliot 4-16-20
    6. Matt Finn 6-13-19
    7. Jacob Trouba 4-14-18
    8. Ryan Murray 5-12-17
    9. Slater Koekkoek 5-12-17
    10. Damon Severson 3-13-16
    11. Griffin Reinhart 5-10-15
    12. Olli Maatta 2-12-14
    13. Brady Skjei 2-9-11

A couple of notes: Hertl and Pearson are overagers, so their numbers need to be taken in context. Including Galchenyuk’s 16-year old number is cheating and you can disregard if you wish; I felt it was worth posting.

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  • Patrick Burke, President of You Can Play. We’ll talk about the good works of the organization, the progress they are making in changing “the way the world thinks about athletes.”
  • Jonathan Willis, from Cult of Hockey, Oilers Nation, Nations Network, Grantland, NHL Numbers. Willis is killing it so far this offseason with brilliant articles all over the internet. If he were any more prolific he’d be Wilt Chamberlain.
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  • Dustin Nielson, from Team 1260′s Nielson and Fraser morning show. Dustin’s top 30 is one of the more interesting editions I’ve seen and we’ll discuss it and his trip to the draft in Pittsburgh.
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50 Responses to "DRAFT WEEK POST #7: DESJARDINS’ NHLE"

  1. sliderule says:

    Because Desjardins NHLe is an average the top drafted forwards beat it by a mile.

    If you look at the top drafted forwards who have jumped directly to NHL like Hall And Nuge they are way above the NHLe projections.

  2. bookje says:

    Woodguy – a quick look at the CBA suggests that once someone has had UFA status, they always have UFA status . I didn’t read it that carefully though.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Hall NHLE 82, 17-29-46 .561
    Hall actual 65, 22-20-42 .646

    Nuge NHLE 82, 11-27-38 .463
    Nuge actual 62, 18-34-52 .839

  4. Ducey says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy – a quick look at the CBA suggests that once someone has had UFA status, they always have UFA status . I didn’t read it that carefully though.

    I think Schultz is a FA in that he can sign with any team rather than go back into the draft. However, he still has to sign an entry level deal.

  5. neojanus says:

    Schultz definitely has to sign an entry level deal.

  6. Lowetide says:

    I think the question is “What happens are the 2-year entry level deal expires?” Is he UFA in 2 years?

  7. RickDeckard says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy – a quick look at the CBA suggests that once someone has had UFA status, they always have UFA status . I didn’t read it that carefully though.

    Barker was a buyout and Fedun a NCAA free agent but they’re both listed as RFAs on Capgeek.

  8. Maverick says:

    Lowetide:
    I think the question is “What happens are the 2-year entry level deal expires?” Is he UFA in 2 years?

    If we use Blake Wheeler as the example, he is still a RFA next year according to capgeek.com.

    The simple answer or layman’s term as to how to think of Schultz is; as a drafted player who did not get signed before a certain date and is a FA just like Blain for the Oilers. Schultz has to sign a entry level deal and then is a RFA until age 28 where he becames a UFA or a Group 3 free agent.

    After the Group 3 level UFA status then he would be a UFA after every contract at that stage.

    I understand it is way more complicated then how I described it, (ie) entry level would be 2 years instead of 3 years and his group 3 UFA status starts at 28 not 27 and so on but I just thought this example might help a few people.

  9. Marc says:

    Lowetide:
    I think the question is “What happens are the 2-year entry level deal expires?” Is he UFA in 2 years?

    Assuming he signs a 2 year ELC, then I think he would be a Group 2 RFA at the end of it by virtue of section 10.2(a)(i) of the CBA.

    He can’t become a Group 3 UFA by virtue of section 10.1(a)(i) of the CBA until June 30 2018 so the team that signs him on July 1 essentially has his rights for 6 seasons (assuming the CBA stays the same.

  10. Maverick says:

    Marc: Assuming he signs a 2 year ELC, then I think he would be a Group 2 RFA at the end of it by virtue of section 10.2(a)(i) of the CBA.

    He can’t become a Group 3 UFA by virtue of section 10.1(a)(i) of the CBA until June 30 2018 so the team that signs him on July 1 essentially has his rights for 6 seasons (assuming the CBA stays the same.

    Thanks Marc.

  11. Maverick says:

    RickDeckard: Barker was a buyout and Fedun a NCAA free agent but they’re both listed as RFAs on Capgeek.

    Barker is still a RFA because of age and years and games at the pro level, the Oilers have the option to offer a qualifying offer and they will not do so and thus Barker becomes a UFA again. He was a UFA last summer because he was bought out of his contract and then became a Group 6? Not sure if Group 6 UFA is the right “grouping”, however.

  12. Henry says:

    Has anyone here seen filip forsberg play? His numbers both actual and nhle adjusted are pretty modest. What do the scouts see that has him ranked as high as #2?

  13. sliderule says:

    LT
    You are confusing me.The conversion rate from OHL to NHL is .30.

    As Hall got the same pts/game as Nuge 1.5 shouldn’t his NHLe be the same at roughly.45

  14. Marc says:

    Maverick:
    He was a UFA last summer because he was bought out of his contract and then became a Group 6?Not sure if Group 6 UFA is the right “grouping”, however.

    Bought out players actually don’t seem to fall within any group – they become UFA by virtue of paragraph 13(e) of the Standard Player Contract, rather than by the operation of section 10 of the CBA.

  15. Maverick says:

    Marc: Bought out players actually don’t seem to fall within any group – they become UFA by virtue of paragraph 13(e) of the Standard Player Contract, rather than by the operation of section 10 of the CBA.

    Thanks again Marc. I was looking under section 10 was having trouble finding it.

  16. godot10 says:

    Everyone is a UFA at 27. It is 27 or 7 years service, whichever comes first.

  17. Marc says:

    godot10:
    Everyone is a UFA at 27.It is 27 or 7 years service, whichever comes first.

    The relevant provision reads: ‘any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age or older as of June 30 of the end of the 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10 League Year, shall, if his most recent SPC has expired, with such expiry occurring either as of June 30 of the applicable League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted Free Agent.’

    If Schultz had been born a week earlier (June 30 as opposed July 6), he would be a UFA after 5 seasons, not six. That might have been what Maverick was referring to when he said that Schultz becomes a UFA at 28 – he becomes a UFA a week before his 28th birthday.

  18. Marc says:

    Let’s try a non-CBA related post.

    Howson is willing to trade down out of the 2nd pick, but not too far (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/330994-jackets-taking-offers-for-no-2-pick?sct=hp_bf2_a11&eref=sihp). We know that Carolina’s pick is available. Keeping in mind that the value of draft picks is at their absolute highest at the draft, let’s see if we can construct a reasonable scenario for Edmonton acquiring Carolina’s pick then uses it to move up to 2.

    Carolina despearately needs top six forwards. Assuming that Eberle, Hall and RNH are off limits, I think Gagner is probably the only guy they are interested – his 47 points would have placed him second in scoring in Carolina last season. A sixth overall pick who is the second highest scorer in his draft year should be enough for the eight overall pick, but keeping in mind the premium on draft picks at this time of year, I think Edmonton has to throw in their second pick this year as well (and I wouldn’t be surprised if a prospect of the VDV/Plante variety is needed as well).

    Now eighth is probably a bit lower than Howson wants to go, but for an overpay he probably does it. Given the uncertainty in the draft lists after Yakupov, there is every chance that a player Columbus have in their top five is still there at 8. So say the Oilers offer any roster player other than Eberle, Hall, RNH, Petry, Schultz, Smid and Dubnyk, or any prospect other than Klefbom, plus the 8th pick for the 2nd pick. Howson toys with taking Marincin, but ultimately decides to take MPS.

    So that would essentially be Gagner (2 years till UFA), MPS (5 years till UFA), possibly a prospect and the 32nd overall pick this year for Murray. Worth it?

  19. Doug McLachlan says:

    Of course if the Oil has traded Gagner away and has picks one and two are we not looking at taking both Sting forwards: Yakupov and Galchenyuk?

  20. Marc says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    There’s certainly a lot of sense in doing that, but I just can’t imagine the OIlers passing on Murray if they have a chance to take him as well as Yakupov.

  21. ASkoreyko says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Of course if the Oil has traded Gagner away and has picks one and two are we not looking at taking both Sting forwards: Yakupov and Galchenyuk?

    That is what I was thinking as well, if there is anyway to make that happen I think you go with the linemates and then wait for J. Schultz to come running after he see’s the talent he will be picking up 2nd assists from.

    I would really hate to give up a shot at Samuelsson though, I agree with DSF, that kid is going to be a force in the NHL and is exactly what the Oilers need. I want an a-hole on the Oilers and this kid looks like he could be it.

  22. spoiler says:

    Marc:
    Let’s try a non-CBA related post.

    Howson is willing to trade down out of the 2nd pick, but not too far (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/330994-jackets-taking-offers-for-no-2-pick?sct=hp_bf2_a11&eref=sihp).We know that Carolina’s pick is available.Keeping in mind that the value of draft picks is at their absolute highest at the draft, let’s see if we can construct a reasonable scenario for Edmonton acquiring Carolina’s pick then uses it to move up to 2.

    Carolina despearately needs top six forwards. Assuming that Eberle, Hall and RNH are off limits, I think Gagner is probably the only guy they are interested – his 47 points would have placed him second in scoring in Carolina last season.A sixth overall pick who is the second highest scorer in his draft year should be enough for the eight overall pick, but keeping in mind the premium on draft picks at this time of year, I think Edmonton has to throw in their second pick this year as well (and I wouldn’t be surprised if a prospect of the VDV/Plante variety is needed as well).

    Now eighth is probably a bit lower than Howson wants to go, but for an overpay he probably does it.Given the uncertainty in the draft lists after Yakupov, there is every chance that a player Columbus have in their top five is still there at 8.So say the Oilers offer any roster player other than Eberle, Hall, RNH, Petry, Schultz, Smid and Dubnyk, or any prospect other than Klefbom, plus the 8th pick for the 2nd pick. Howson toys with taking Marincin, but ultimately decides to take MPS.

    So that would essentially be Gagner (2 years till UFA), MPS (5 years till UFA), possibly a prospect and the 32nd overall pick this year for Murray. Worth it?

    I think an argument could be made that you gave up more for the 8th than the 2nd.

    Why not hang onto the 8th and draft Reinhart?

  23. Marc says:

    spoiler: I think an argument could be made that you gave up more for the 8th than the 2nd.

    Why not hang onto the 8th and draft Reinhart?

    That’s true. I operated on the assumption that it costs more to move from 32 to 8 than it would to move from 8 to 2 and that the Oilers would have some negotiating leverage (ie. to refuse to consider trading Klefbom) because they can always do exactly what you suggest and stay put at 8.

    They can’t be sure that Reinhart will still be there at 8 though, and may find themselves in a situation where none of the players they really like are still there. In that situation they may think it’s worth it to sacrifice a good asset like MPS to be sure they get exactly the player they want.

  24. Cactus says:

    Marc,

    Interesting stuff, but there’s a lot of moving parts to it. That probably means it won’t happen.

    That said, if it could, Galchenyuk at 2 would be the necessary replacement to Gagner – that would be a nice pairing.

  25. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    Because Desjardins NHLe is an average the top drafted forwards beat it by a mile.

    If you look at the top drafted forwards who have jumped directly to NHL like Hall And Nuge they are way above the NHLe projections.

    The other posters have it right.

    Think of it this way. He is exploiting a loophole in the CBA that forces him to back in the draft if he doesn’t want to sign with the team that drafted him.

    Once he signs his ELC, he is subject to all the rules of the CBA in terms of RFA/UFA status.

    He is not avoiding the CBA, just the part of having to go back into the draft.

    A key part of this is the amount of his ELC. Its capped by the CBA and all teams can only offer the max, which makes his choice interesting as no one can outbid another.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Marc,

    Trading NHL (or close to NHL players), for more 18 year olds only push back the timeline to actually compete with other NHL teams.

    The Oilers have stated they want to be competitive, so trading for other 1st rounders using roster players as currency seems like a long shot.

    Seeing as this is their 6th straight season out of the playoffs, I’m happy to hear they are done acquiring picks and want to compete.

    Listening to Hall at the end of the season makes me think that the players would be pretty pissed off if they used roster players for picks as well.

  27. Woodguy says:

    Willis is killing it so far this offseason with brilliant articles all over the internet. If he were any more prolific he’d be Wilt Chamberlain.

    Are you talking about Wilt on the court or Wilt in the bedroom?

  28. rickithebear says:

    sliderule: If you look at the top drafted forwards who have jumped directly to NHL like Hall And Nuge they are way above the NHLe projections.

    NHLE tells the current performance of a player. Not the expected ceiling.

    Gdesjardins did a young player projection based on Age.

    A sept 94 17 year old in the Chl is expected to progress from 30% CHL and get to 75% of production.

    A sept 93 18 year old in the Chl is expected to progress from 30% CHL and get to 50% of production.
    It establishes a ceiling.

    Desjardins curve is based on the average of players. most start off with lesser responsibility, PK, and PP time. some players beat expected NHLE cause they get the gravy.
    The ceiling projections give us a potential value based on acurate history.

    Nail Yakupov 18-22-40 expected ceiling NHLE 34-41-75
    Tomas Hertl 19-21-40 expected 29-31-60
    Tanner Pearson 15-22-37 expected 18-26-44
    Mikhail Grigorenko 16-17-33 exp 37-39-76
    Alex Galchenyuk 11-19-30 (16 year old season) exp 32-53-85
    Radek Faksa 12-15-27 exp 23-29-52
    Tim Bozon 13-12-25 exp 29-26-55
    Zemgus Girgensons 11-14-25 exp 22-28-50
    Brendan Gaunce 10-15-25 exp 20-30-50
    Teuvo Teravainen 12-8-20 exp 30-20-50
    Pontus Aberg 11-9-20
    Scott Laughton 8-12-20 exp 19-27-47
    Henrik Samuelsson 6-14-20 EXP 12-27-39

    What is not shown is the EV – PP ratio. with average being 66-33. So a guy like samuelson who had 1 of his 23 Pts on PP. were does he go if he gets pp time. potential for 60P player.

    Yakupov 2PPG before the injury which sets a ceiling of 85 points.

    I want to have some kind of ceiling when deciding on a player. see schremp 48P.

    As for Teravainen, would love to seee the difference in Assists per goal ratio for Sm-ligga/KHL and NHL.

  29. gogliano says:

    If the Oilers are trading away real NHL players for draft picks at the worst time of the year to do so, it is hard to see them coming out ahead. The ping pong balls already gave them a winning draft; no need to undo the work. If they want to deal into the 1st round I hope they don”t think of giving up more than real spare parts who aren’t worth much (e.g., Jones, Peckham) and lower draft picks.

    Marc’s proposals seem accurate value wise for what goes on at the draft and I read that as good advice for staying away from trading into the top ten from all the way back at 32.

  30. rickithebear says:

    Catus:
    Galchnyuk projects to 85PT with a strong 2-way even game.
    RNH: projected to 80 points with elite PP and standard Ev play.

    Who is #1?

  31. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: The other posters have it right.

    Think of it this way.He is exploiting a loophole in the CBA that forces him to back in the draft if he doesn’t want to sign with the team that drafted him.

    Once he signs his ELC, he is subject to all the rules of the CBA in terms of RFA/UFA status.

    He is not avoiding the CBA, just the part of having to go back into the draft.

    A key part of this is the amount of his ELC.Its capped by the CBA and all teams can only offer the max, which makes his choice interesting as no one can outbid another.

    I meant to quote Bookie and not Sliderule on the above post. Don’t know how that happened.

  32. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    Catus:
    Galchnyuk projects to 85PT with a strong 2-way even game.
    RNH: projected to 80 points with elite PP and standard Ev play.

    Who is #1?

    RICKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Is there anywhere you have your expected pts given QC/QT posted?

    I would really like to look at all the columns and rows.

    I think you have come up with something really interesting.

  33. MrSmitty says:

    I still have a sneaking suspicion that Galchenyuk was benefiting from playing with Yakupov and he wasn’t the one stirring the drink in his 16 year old season. I would be wary of him.

    Yakupov did as good or better without him so that adds to my suspicions.

  34. godot10 says:

    It is mostly silly to trade real NHL players for draft picks at this time of year or to try to move up.

    Life is about making choices. Yakupov or Murray. Yakupov, or trading down for Reinhart, if Burke offers Gardiner.

    Carolina is more interested in using that 8th in a deal for Jordan Staal than in a deal for Gagner.

    Since the Oilers are taking Yakupov or Murray, replacing/upgrading Gagner should probably wait for another year. Gagner is fine for now. The only “problem” with keeping Gagner at this point is that he needs a new contract, and when players need a new contract, it tends to be a good time to test the market for the player.

    Fix the defense.

    Team Murray.

  35. Cactus says:

    rickithebear:
    Catus:
    Galchnyuk projects to 85PT with a strong 2-way even game.
    RNH: projected to 80 points with elite PP and standard Ev play.

    Who is #1?

    Good stuff Ricki. I think RNH will be the superior player in the short run (next couple seasons) but obviously, it’s up for grabs beyond that. A lot will depend on the team around him. If RNH is dishing to some combination of Eberle, Hall and Yakupov, I’d put my money on that. The NHLE’s are close enough to make it a toss-up.

  36. Cactus says:

    Lowetide,

    Would you mind asking one of your guests to recall any situations where the team picking first went away from a perceived consensus? If there are examples, are they applicable to this year’s situation?

    I’ve been trying to think about it myself, but I haven’t done enough draft following to say for certain. I’d really like to know if there’s any precedent to some of the current speculation.

  37. Rondo says:

    It seems suspicious that after the combine most experts had Yakupov # 1. All of a sudden his ranking becomes weaker. Did these experts see him play after the combine? Was there a secret tape?

    Very odd or maybe a little misdirection from the Oilers.

  38. Joe Nova says:

    Cactus:
    Lowetide,

    Would you mind asking one of your guests to recall any situations where the team picking first went away from a perceived consensus?If there are examples, are they applicable to this year’s situation?

    I’ve been trying to think about it myself, but I haven’t done enough draft following to say for certain.I’d really like to know if there’s any precedent to some of the current speculation.

    Dipietro in 2000? I believe Heatley was ranked #1 on most lists … But considering who the GM was at the time …

  39. Traktor says:

    rickithebear:
    Catus:
    Galchnyuk projects to 85PT with a strong 2-way even game.
    RNH: projected to 80 points with elite PP and standard Ev play.

    Who is #1?

    I’m pretty sure you had RNH projected as Patrik Stefan. Or was it Steve Kelly?

  40. DSF says:

    ASkoreyko: That is what I was thinking as well, if there is anyway to make that happen I think you go with the linemates and then wait for J. Schultz to come running after he see’s the talent he will be picking up 2nd assists from.

    I would really hate to give up a shot at Samuelsson though, I agree with DSF, that kid is going to be a force in the NHL and is exactly what the Oilers need. I want an a-hole on the Oilers and this kid looks like he could be it.

    I’ve spent a bit of time looking closely at Samuelsson.

    I’m thinking he could be the next Milan Lucic.

    Doubt he makes it the second round.

  41. Rondo says:

    Yakupov’s numbers were down but he did not have a #1 center Alex Galchenyuk was hurt most of the season

  42. ASkoreyko says:

    DSF: I’ve spent a bit of time looking closely at Samuelsson.

    I’m thinking he could be the next Milan Lucic.

    Doubt he makes it the second round.

    Yep I agree, I think the Oilers are going to have to look at moving up into the second part of the 1st round to grab the kid. If we knew would could trust management to do the right thing we would have an accurate gauge on how likely he is to turn out, after all no org has a better inside scoop on him that the Oilers. Add in the fact that Ulf and Kevin were sitting together during the Mem Cup and the Oilers SHOULD have all the motivation they need to secure this kid.

    Having Samuelsson and Pitlick (hopefully) possibly taking up spots in the top 9 would go a long way to changing the current look of the Oilers forward group.

    I don’t want Coke Machines I want Vending Machines that steal your money (a-holes) surrounding the kids now.

  43. gogliano says:

    Fleury was questionable at #1 wasn’t he?

  44. Ribs says:

    …And hey, if you can’t get Samuelsson…Get Frk! He’s a bit smaller but it sounds like they can play a similar game.

  45. DSF says:

    ASkoreyko: Yep I agree, I think the Oilers are going to have to look at moving up into the second part of the 1st round to grab the kid. If we knew would could trust management to do the right thing we would have an accurate gauge on how likely he is to turn out, after all no org has a better inside scoop on him that the Oilers. Add in the fact that Ulf and Kevin were sitting together during the Mem Cup and the Oilers SHOULD have all the motivation they need to secure this kid.

    Having Samuelsson and Pitlick (hopefully) possibly taking up spots in the top 9 would go a long way to changing the current look of the Oilers forward group.

    I don’t want Coke Machines I want Vending Machines that steal your money (a-holes) surrounding the kids now.

    Yeah, it looks like the kid can play.

    Apparently he’s on the Canucks radar.

    Since they’re picking 26, the Oilers would have to make a move to pick before that.

  46. Woodguy says:

    DSF: Yeah, it looks like the kid can play.

    Apparently he’s on the Canucks radar.

    Since they’re picking 26, the Oilers would have to make a move to pick before that.

    What would it take to get PIT’s 22?

    32 + ????

    Omark enough? (Almost .5pts/gm as a rookie)

    I wouldn’t do MPS.

    Would you give up 32 + Gernat or Marinson (sp?) To get Samuelsson?

  47. DSF says:

    Woodguy,

    I would send Paajarvi and the 32 in a heartbeat.

    I really don’t think Omark has any real value since it’s likely any team could pick him up for nothing if the Oilers don’t tender him a qualifying offer by June 25th.

  48. Woodguy says:

    DSF:
    Woodguy,

    I would send Paajarvi and the 32 in a heartbeat.

    I really don’t think Omark has any real value since it’s likely any team could pick him upfor nothing if the Oilers don’t tender him a qualifying offer by June 25th.

    Your hatred of MPS is irrational.

    Your saying the ANA C was much superior with less than .1pt/gm difference in scoring than MPS in the AHL illustrates this well.

    If MPS was a LAK or VAN prospect I think your story would be different.

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