DRAFT WEEK POST #8: THE PLOT THICKENS

According to Team 1260′s Dustin Nielson, the Oilers may be considering taking Griffin Reinhart #1 overall next Friday night.

I have Reinhart ranked #5 on my final 30 and had a long look at him here. Grant McCagg of tsn said “very few 6-4 blueliners can skate and handle the puck like Reinhart, and those attributes alone will intrigue lots of scouts.”

Previous defenders taken #1 overall include Denis Potvin, Rob Ramage, Gord Kluzak, Roman Hamrlik, Chris Phillips and Erik Johnson.

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  1. franksterra says:

    If I were more tech minded, I’d reply with a.giff of someone like Nicholson ca. 1975 shouting “Aawwwwww, CMONNN!” and knocking a bunch of things off a table.

  2. ASkoreyko says:

    I just want the draft to be over so we can stop in this Game Theory exercise. Bob ripped Yak this week to get people listening to his show, he even made mention on twitter about how “shocked” he was about the outrage, when I am sure he was sitting there smiling thinking about the potential ratings his show was pulling in. The media is just throwing stuff out there to to keep the interest in their shows up and we are all sitting around trying to decipher what all of these little tidbits mean.

    If the Oilers take Reinhart #1 overall it will be worse than signing him to a 100M contract. The expectations that kid is going to have put on his shoulders will be incredible. Stu has not really shown me anything that indicates he thinks he is smarter than everyone else in the room and I hope it stays that way in the future.

  3. Woodguy says:

    If they truly think GR is best, then they will trade down.

    They’ll probably demand Gardiner from TOR and settle for Schenn.

    If they go into 12/13 with Schenn and GR as their two Dman additions, its lottery time again.

  4. remember reijo says:

    This is silly. Griff could develop into a quality Dman and sooner than expected and it could still be seen as bad 10 years from now. Way too ballsy. Theres no safety net in a decision like that. If anything consensus fails, well, it was what anyone else would have done. No repercussions.
    We gave up a 6’4 Defensman who handled the puck well for Nick Shultz. I dont want to give up Yakupov to maybe acquire another one.
    I just want the draft to be over at this point. Every day I get more scared.

  5. DSF says:

    Woodguy,

    Burke has already indicated that neither Schenn nor Gardiner is on the table.

    Considering his most pressing need is a centre, I doubt he wants Yakupov if it costs him either one.

    To me, the most likely candidate for the Oilers to trade down is with Montreal who could certainly use a marquee winger.

    What would come back is a little problematical.

  6. Traktor says:

    Geiffin Reinhart draft year 58 12 24 36
    Alex Plante draft year 58 8 30 38

    Just saying.

  7. sliderule says:

    Traktor
    The plan is to play them as a tandem

    Seriously Nielson knows about the same as we do.

    I hope.

  8. Factotum says:

    I watched every game of the WHL final and I came away really concerned about Reinhart’s skating, especially if he got stuck on the ice for even a slightly longer-than-normal shift. The word “glacial” came to mind many times. Am I alone in this?

    He has quite a few nice things, but I saw nothing to make me think of him as a #1 overall pick.

  9. Cactus says:

    Well, the OP says that they’ve “discussed” it. Assuming the rumour is even true (and there’s far too many rumours flying around for even most of them to be true), all that could mean is that one scout really likes him and said they should take him 1st. Everyone else says “no’” and bam, there’s a discussion.

  10. Woodguy says:

    Traktor:
    Geiffin Reinhart draft year 58 12 24 36
    Alex Plante draft year 58 8 30 38

    Just saying.

    Plante played with Alzner (I think) and GR’s skating is considered his best attribute.

    As good as Gernat is, he’s no Alzner.

    Point taken though.

  11. jb says:

    Any predictions on tomorrows plot twist?

    Yakupov at 1? Doubtful, the astute fan already knows what’s coming, and knows there’s a very small chance the picks dealt for assets which will HELP us.

    Now the crazy ass fan..they’ll just eat up any info you throw their way.
    This weeks for you crazy people!

  12. Lowetide says:

    sliderule:
    Traktor
    The plan is to play them as a tandem

    Seriously Nielson knows about the same as we do.

    I hope.

    Nielson is the same guy who told us Renney wasn’t coming back miles before it was announced. Suspect he has something.

  13. franksterra says:

    We’re all thrashing in draft week media chum here. Mmmmm, the bait is chewy, salty, good. I feel the hook of the provocative hockey blog tearing through my cheek as I type! Having bitten, how far down could brass ‘safely’ trade to get GR and a sufficient penitential asset back? As low as 8th (Canes) or 9th (Jets)?

  14. MrSmitty says:

    Factotum: I watched every game of the WHL final and I came away really concerned about Reinhart’s skating, especially if he got stuck on the ice for even a slightly longer-than-normal shift. The word “glacial” came to mind many times. Am I alone in this?He has quite a few nice things, but I saw nothing to make me think of him as a #1 overall pick.

    I thought the same way. :(

    OMFG are they serious. This is going to be the Steve Kelly story all over again. If they pick Griff and Hall demands a trade at the end of next season I am done with this bs.

    The Oilers are the only thing that keeps me in Edmonton. If this bs happens I am done with the city and my season tickets. I will move to Phoenix. At least I would be able to watch playoff hockey and the GM isn’t a total tard.

  15. Lowetide says:

    Redline says Oilers may trade down
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/story/2012-06-16/red-line-report-nhl-draft-overview/55641358/1

    Frank: I think Toronto is the outer marker. 5th.

  16. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: Plante played with Alzner (I think) and GR’s skating is considered his best attribute.As good as Gernat is, he’s no Alzner.Point taken though.

    Alzner is correct, but I don’t think the skating thing is. It has improved this year though. If I had to guess I’d say Serdachny has been working with both Reinhart and Samuelsson.

  17. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: Alzner is correct, but I don’t think the skating thing is.It has improved this year though. If I had to guess I’d say Serdachny has been working with both Reinhart and Samuelsson.

    I really want to know what they see in Reinhart. Because at this point he has to be Potvin in order for this to be legit. What are we missing, gents?

  18. Lowetide says:

    and Louise? :-)

  19. vishcosity says:

    I just left Edmonton for Phoenix actually. Tickets are cheap, houses are comparatively free, and I’m sitting beside a pool, albeit with Mormons, but at least the soda has real sugar.

    I just caught up with the media spin (data in Canada on a US phone is fiscally rediculous) and its kinda comedy, kinda scary. I sure hope that all this tripe is for ratings only, anything other than Yak or a serious return for the pick will have me at Yote games in a sweater blazing #23 with one simple pick.

    Elite players are hard to get regardless of position. If Yak is that, to me he looks like the only one.

  20. Jonathan Willis says:

    Red Line describes Reinhart as “highly mobile for his size” and says he is blessed with “four-way mobility.” They also say that the “combination of size, skating and puckhandling ability give him outstanding longterm upside.” They have him as the ninth best prospect for this year’s draft.

  21. Lowetide says:

    What are we missing here, Willis? Looks like a slam dunk for Yakupov after the lottery except they’d already decided. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

  22. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Talk, talk, talk, it’s only talk
    Comments, cliches, commentary, controversy
    Chatter, chit chat, chit chat, chit chat
    Conversation, contradiction, criticism
    It’s only talk
    Cheap talk

    – King Crimson, Elephant Talk

  23. mustang says:

    LT, we aren’t missing a thing when it comes to Reinhart, It’s chatter and thats it, I seen him many times this year and he’s not worthy of a first overall pick, if they pick him #1 someone is going to lose his job.
    Reinhart is good and has potential drafting him in the top 5 is maybe to high IMHO, top 10 for sure.

    I’m not worried they will take Yakupov #1 or trade out, simple as that

  24. Traktor says:

    If Tambellini was told he wasn’t ever allowed to make trades or sign UFA’s then I think taking a defensemen at 1 makes a lot sense.

  25. TheOtherJohn says:

    Geez after I read J Willis’ cite of Redline Report’s comments on Reinharts superlative skating, I thought that sounded alot like S Neidemayer . Then I noticed they had him rated 9th in this years draft

    Ninth!!

    Too bad there is no consensus #1

    DFL, DFL, 29th and, soon, the lottery one more time

  26. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    What are we missing here, Willis? Looks like a slam dunk for Yakupov after the lottery except they’d already decided. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

    I think the point is they’re undecided. Yak, Murry or Reinhart. Obviously each prospect has his champion in the org, or they wouldn’t be in the discussion.

    And the rumour we’ve heard is that Reinhart is Stu’s boy, which makes it even more baffling.

    I think this has to be a matter of projection. I think Stu likes his size and mobility, the skating is improving. He definitely has a lot of presence with the puck and he has a killer shot. Oil Kings spread their ice time around with that cornucopia of defenseman they had, so we may be seeing a TOI effect similar to RNH’s last year. He’s definitely farther away than Murray, but maybe only a year or two–with the ability to play the biggest forwards with more offense than Murray once he comes out the other side of his development.

  27. Factotum says:

    Jonathan Willis:
    Red Line describes Reinhart as “highly mobile for his size” and says he is blessed with “four-way mobility.” They also say that the “combination of size, skating and puckhandling ability give him outstanding longterm upside.” They have him as the ninth best prospect for this year’s draft.

    OTOH, Corey Pronman says of Reinhart, “He used to be a fringe skater but he really moves around better and his first few steps don’t look as heavy” but then goes on to describe Hampus Lindholm as a “much, much better skater”, saying there’s a “huge gap in skating ability”. Pronman has GR at 15.

    I live in Oregon, so the series vs. the Winterhawks was all I saw of the Oil Kings this year, but I saw GR’s skating bad in that small sample. Or is Oliver Gabriel just that much better than I thought?

  28. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: I think the point is they’re undecided. Yak, Murry or Reinhart. Obviously each prospect has his champion in the org, or they wouldn’t be in the discussion.

    And the rumour we’ve heard is that Reinhart is Stu’s boy, which makes it even more baffling.

    I think this has to be a matter of projection. I think Stu likes his size and mobility, the skating is improving. He definitely has a lot of presence with the puck and he has a killer shot. Oil Kings spread their ice time around with that cornucopia of defenseman they had, so we may be seeing a TOI effect similar to RNH’s last year. He’s definitely farther away than Murray, but maybe only a year or two–with the ability to play the biggest forwards with more offense than Murray once he comes out the other side of his development.

    Sure, fine. But if Griffin Reinhart is #1, you trade down to five. Right?

  29. sliderule says:

    It was thought Tambo’s shit eater grin when he won the lottery was elation .Not!

    He has no clue how to find a defenceman so the idea was to draft one at two and problem solved.

    They probably hadnt even scouted Yak that much.The Ohl scout either doesnt like Yakupov that much or hasn’t made a good case for him.

    It will probably end up being a decision from Lowe and macT.

  30. bookje says:

    Dance, Suckers, Dance!

  31. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Sure, fine. But if Griffin Reinhart is #1, you trade down to five. Right?

    Are you certain Columbus or the Isles won’t take Reinhart?

  32. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: Are you certain Columbus or the Isles won’t take Reinhart?

    No, but if someone takes Reinhart does it matter? What makes Reinhart the important player in this draft?

  33. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Sure, fine. But if Griffin Reinhart is #1, you trade down to five. Right?

    Or if you’re MacT or Lowe, you over-rule Katz, Tambo, and Stu (if that rumour is true).

    But then again, if it’s In Stu We Trust, and Montreal isn’t offering anything decent, maybe they take Reinhart 1st.

  34. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: No, but if someone takes Reinhart does it matter? What makes Reinhart the important player in this draft?

    You’d have to ask Stu to find out, my guess is above. Sounds he’s the most important player in this draft to the Oilers.

  35. speeds says:

    I only saw Reinhart in one game live this year, game 1 vs. Portland, so if you want to talk about small sample sizes, there you go.

    But I didn’t see a plus skater, I saw a guy without much agility (definitely didn’t see a 4-way skater) get passed once or twice, and not look good doing it. Only one game, but I can’t say I really liked what I saw for what I then thought was a guy going to be picked 7-12.

  36. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Dance, Suckers, Dance!

    So if the Oilers don’t take Yak you’ll put one mea cupla per threas? :)

  37. Rondo says:

    Arguably Yakupov Murray Galchenyuk and Forsberg are the top 4 players is you believe the consensus

    Why would Edm say they want Reinhart. Nobody has him close to #1. ?

    My only answer is Oilers know one of the teams in the top 5 wants Reinhart and they are trying to to make that team nervous so they will trade up.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Well, here’s my take: Yakupov is the bpa. SOMETHING has the Oilers in reverse in this regard, and they do like Murray. Reinhart is the stick of dynamite that goes off so that when Murray is named everyone goes “geez, THAT was close.”

    jmo

  39. Cactus says:

    Woodguy: So if the Oilers don’t take Yak you’ll put one mea cupla per threas?

    As someone who’s arguing the same thing as Bookje, I’ll happily join the ravenous mob if they do something other than Yakupov at #1. In the interest of fairness however, some of the raging pessimists should probably prepare to do the same if Yak is the pick.

  40. Lowetide says:

    Cactus: As someone who’s arguing the same thing as Bookje, I’ll happily join the ravenous mob if they do something other than Yakupov at #1.In the interest of fairness however, some of the raging pessimists should probably prepare to do the same if Yak is the pick.

    If Yak is the pick you get the sound of sphincter’s relaxing. Isn’t this enough?

  41. Rondo says:

    All of a sudden all these leaked stories , who will be the flavour of the day tomorrow.

    Oilers are shaking the tree hoping for trade that makes sense to them, if it does not happen they will take Yakupov.

  42. Doug McLachlan says:

    Good reporters trying to find news in the midst of a lockdown. “So, who are you guys taking?”. “We won’t decide until Friday.”. “Yes, but who are you considering?”. “Well we are looking at Yakupov (no news here) and Murray and Reinhart (scoop and super-scoop).”

    This is exactly what you want your staff to do, kick the names around, make the best arguments you can for every possible contender until a decision is made. It does not mean that the non-Yakupov options carry the day just that they (Stu’s staff) are doing their job and that the reporters who are passing the “scoops” along are doing theirs.

    The exact same thing happened last year and the year before save that this year there is NO clear foil to the consensus pick of Yakupov as there was for Hall and RNH. As a result the appearance of chaos is given (and with this Tambo crew seems more plausible because of the poor results since 2006.

  43. hunter1909 says:

    Cactus: As someone who’s arguing the same thing as Bookje, I’ll happily join the ravenous mob if they do something other than Yakupov at #1.In the interest of fairness however, some of the raging pessimists should probably prepare to do the same if Yak is the pick.

    Yeah, it’s probably really hard to to ice a competitive team with four superstars in the top six.

  44. Maverick says:

    Wow! When I left this morning we were debating the possible Gagner contract and his UFA status and also the contract status of Justin Schultz moving forward. Now 12 hours later we might be discussing Reinhart as a 1st overall selection? Or the best player in the draft?

    Yikes! I think the June sun and warm weather is causing heat stoke.

    The Oilers like Reinhart a lot, might see him turning into Weber one day but that is a HUGE risk. Reinhart might turn into a heck of a player but if the Oilers were in Carolina’s shoes at 8th than this might not be such a stretch. But consideration at 1st no way! I think it is more of the line of trading current assets to move up the draft and choose Reinhart as the Oilers’ 2nd pick in the 1st round.

  45. Bad Seed says:

    Why would anyone care about what Nielson thinks? Everyone who matters has Reinhart out of the top 5. And to lend credibility to him because he called Renney’s firing is silly when everyone could see that happening anyway.

  46. Maverick says:

    Lowetide: If Yak is the pick you get the sound of sphincter’s relaxing. Isn’t this enough?

    I literally laughed out loud when I read this!! Nicely described LT!

  47. LMHF#1 says:

    I have a massive problem with them if they’re actually undecided on who is the #1 pick.

    Lowetide: Sure, fine. But if Griffin Reinhart is #1, you trade down to five. Right?

    Why not trade down to at least 8th if you’ve decided you’re taking a defenceman who won’t have an impact for at least 2 years?

  48. Woodguy says:

    Cactus: As someone who’s arguing the same thing as Bookje, I’ll happily join the ravenous mob if they do something other than Yakupov at #1.In the interest of fairness however, some of the raging pessimists should probably prepare to do the same if Yak is the pick.

    Gladly.

    I would need odds.

    I still think Yak is the odds on favorite, but not by as much as before.

  49. Smarmy says:

    The Oilers do not have enough offense. They’re an atrocious road team because the Kids are not able to take on the hardest minutes and the supporting cast stinks.

    Yakupov let’s the oilers coach have two tandems of high end kid talent to force opposition coaches to make tough decisions on who their tough minute players defend against at ES.

  50. Rebilled says:

    Wonder if they don’t like the way Yak interviews. Still, you take the asset.

    http://www.wimp.com/interviewyear/

  51. Woodguy says:

    Smarmy:
    The Oilers do not have enough offense. They’re an atrocious road team because the Kids are not able to take on the hardest minutes and the supporting cast stinks.

    Yakupov let’s the oilers coach have two tandems of high end kid talent to force opposition coaches to make tough decisions on who their tough minute players defend against at ES.

    I think their D pairing got exploited more than the F lines on the road.

    Whitney couldn’t turn on his right ankle and was destroyed by all metrics this year, playing 2nd toughs.

    AHLer Potter and Barker played lots of 2nd toughs too.

    Agree that the should add offense though.

  52. commonfan14 says:

    spoiler,

    Anyone else remember the clip in the Oil Change first season when Stu looked around at everyone in the scouting war room and said in a really serious tone, “Here’s a question, do we have anyone in our system like Erik Gudbranson?” He really seemed in that moment to be seriously considering the idea of throwing out the Taylor/Tyler debate entirely and snagging the big D-man.

  53. bookje says:

    Woodguy: So if the Oilers don’t take Yak you’ll put one mea cupla per threas?

    No, I will develop a new username and totally trash that Bookje idiot – what an ass that guy is.

    I think a trade is possible, but it is a bit interesting this year to see how the MSM is throwing out all kinds of stuff (much of it contradictory). I do like how it has been difficult to pin down exactly what the Oilers are going to do. In the last couple of years we have had a fair bit of drama, but in the end the Oilers did the obvious thing. The interesting thing is that this year, the actual choice seems to be less debatable, but there is a lot more speculation/drama.

    Maybe its because if the Oilers were to not pick Yakupov this year, it would totally fly in the face of conventional wisdom, whereas in past years, the alternative picks would have been largely acceptable to most analysts.

  54. bookje says:

    Woodguy: Gladly.

    I would need odds.

    I still think Yak is the odds on favorite, but not by as much as before.

    Ok, but some posters are already lambasting the Oiler management team for discussions that they are imagining that they are having based upon random MSM tweets. That goes a little far.

  55. Woodguy says:

    bookje: Ok, but some posters are already lambasting the Oiler management team for discussions that they are imagining that they are having based upon random MSM tweets.That goes a little far.

    There is always a signal to noise ratio.

  56. nathan says:

    Woodguy,

    Sure but sometimes the signal is less lucid than the noise,

    Where there’s smoke someone’s trying to light a fire with wet newspaper.

  57. nathan says:

    Will the fan believe the scare? Will the fan believe the doom? Will he fall asleep? Will you fall asleep? And… what about Naomi? For the answers to these and other questions, tune in tomorrow for Love of Scare.

    (apologies to those not old enough to have seen that old drama with the slightly thicker plotlines)

  58. Cactus says:

    Lowetide: AHLer Potter and Barker played lots of 2nd toughs too.

    That part is nice too. I just grow a little weary of the people who are convinced the Oilers always do the wrong team. Have they been a poorly performing team? Yes. Have they made a slew of bad management decisions, especially in pro player acquisition? Definitely.

    Have they screwed up in the amateur draft in the last three years? Not at all, unless you want to get really picky about a couple of poor 3rd rounders. Have they done anything in the last 3 years that dramatically harms the prospects of the team in the future? No (we can argue about Gilbert a bit, but they did get a decent piece back).

    Given this, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt where drafting is concerned. In that one, sole respect, this team has earned a little faith. If however, they do the wrong thing on Friday, I’ll happily send some funds to anyone who is buying torches in bulk in Edmonton.

  59. Cactus says:

    Woodguy,

    I may have to eat these words on Friday, but I honestly believe it’s about 80% chance of Yakupov right now. I think it’s far more plausible that this current media nonsense is a series of intentional leaks by the team to drum up speculation, tension and interest in the draft. These guys don’t want anyone to know what they’re doing and they want to make a big splash on draft night to kick up interest and hopefully boost ticket sale campaigns. Last year, when RNH was increasingly seen as the pick, they kept dodging questions and remaining tight lipped.

    I have a hard time believing that an organization that has been tighter than the KGB has suddenly managed to spring a whole bunch of media leaks. Again, I may be eating these words in a few days.

  60. Zack says:

    Now I’m no Amatuer Scout but I could see Yakupov going number one overall. I can see Murray going first overall with the Oilers pick, but Reinhart? I’m sorry but I can’t see the Oilers picking Reinhart over Murray, not when Lowe has given him such praise and oppertunity – he seems like a “perfect fit” for the Oilers mold.

    Lowetide, do you honestly see the Oilers selecting Reinhart #1 Overall? Personally I’ll believe it only when I see it.

  61. Dominoiler says:

    Hmm.. perhaps the noise around non-1st overall picks is because they want to trade down..
    Look again at that video posted by REBILLED.. http://www.wimp.com/interviewyear/

    Yak was being a pretty cocky kid / russian, who had no problem rubbing in the win – taunting the canadian crowd / team.. dont get me wrong, he is a kid and is excited to win (even in spite of the intimidation of playing in canada).. but, the oilers management is full of Team Canada guys.. Im thinking they’d love to have a good ole Canadian, potential team canada player, like Murray or (if a murray trade isnt available) GR.. thoughts?!..

    guess this would frame the issue as a personal, not business, decision.. but, what dynamic do they want to create in the locker room?.. all the current stars are Canadian prospects, bring in the russian?.. yet.. in a way, bpa must still carry sway..

  62. Maverick says:

    Dominoiler:
    Hmm.. perhaps the noise around non-1st overall picks is because they want to trade down..
    Look again at that video posted by REBILLED.. http://www.wimp.com/interviewyear/

    Yak was being a pretty cocky kid / russian, who had no problem rubbing in the win – taunting the canadian crowd / team.. dont get me wrong, he is a kid and is excited to win (even in spite of the intimidation of playing in canada).. but, the oilers management is full of Team Canada guys.. Im thinking they’d love to have a good ole Canadian, potential team canada player, like Murray or (if a murray trade isnt available) GR.. thoughts?!..

    guess this would frame the issue as a personal, not business, decision.. but, what dynamic do they want to create in the locker room?.. all the current stars are Canadian prospects, bring in the russian?.. yet.. in a way, bpa must still carry sway..

    I would hate to have a player on my roster who has “fire in his belly” a will to win a cockiness about him, who enjoys becoming a better player, stays out on the ice to work on his game. Yep that would be terrible.

    I think this roster needs another player who has out spoken fire, Hall has it, Nuge and Eberle have fire but a quiet approach to it. Maybe another player to kick the butts of the veterans to start the game with passion versus coming out flat for games. After watching years of non-emotional Oiler teams wouldn’t it be refreshing to watch players who give a crap? Russian, Canadian, Swede, Finn, whichever, a talented game breaker with fire is welcome on this roster.

  63. Ducey says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Good reporters trying to find news in the midst of a lockdown. “So, who are you guys taking?”. “We won’t decide until Friday.”. “Yes, but who are you considering?”. “Well we are looking at Yakupov (no news here) and Murray and Reinhart (scoop and super-scoop).”

    This is exactly what you want your staff to do, kick the names around, make the best arguments you can for every possible contender until a decision is made. It does not mean that the non-Yakupov options carry the day just that they (Stu’s staff) are doing their job and that the reporters who are passing the “scoops” along are doing theirs.

    This should have ended the discussion. 100% correct.

  64. jake70 says:

    I thinks it’s the # of girlfriends. They are OK with 2 (russian and sarnian) but a 3rd in E-town is just too much. Don’t want no local girls getting hurt. ;-)

  65. bookje says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    Yep, well said. I think the Russian factor adds some spice to the stories.

  66. oilswell says:

    This smells to me of Oilers telegraphing just how far they’re willing to trade down for, without saying it outright. Yakupov was interviewed by, what, 19 teams? Why would a team out of the top 5 bother interviewing him other than they want to know how much they want to trade up to get him?

    It would surprise me little if they get a little bolder yet closer to the draft if there are no sniffs by other GMs. What is Reinhart ranked, #5? Maybe they haven’t heard from Toronto yet?

  67. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: This should have ended the discussion. 100% correct.

    Except for the fact that some of us are running on what we hear outside the papers.

    The fishwraps and radio hits certainly add to it, but I think what I do from hearing it from people who don’t publish what they hear or know.

  68. Lowetide says:

    Oilswell: Makes complete sense.

  69. DSF says:

    From Matheson this morning:

    - If the Oilers take Ryan Murray (represented by Ryan Nugent-Hopkins’ agent Rick Valette) rather than Nail Yakupov (I’d say it’s a 50-50 chance now), the Blue Jackets likely won’t take the Russian forward after striking out on Nikolai Zherdev and Nikita Filatov. They like forward Filip Forsberg. So what happens if Yakupov is there at No. 3 for the Montreal Canadiens? Does a team that’s painfully small (other than Erik Cole and Max Pacioretty) take the explosive but five-foot-eleven, 190-pound Yakupov? -

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Matheson+hockey+world/6795578/story.html

  70. DSF says:

    Tracy ‏@TreenasOil

    Lots of interest in Gagner, #Wild offer 7th pick for Sam Gagner, Martin Marincin, and Oilers 2nd pick. #Ducks also interested in Gagner..APG

  71. DSF says:

    Tracy ‏@TreenasOil

    Oilers trying to move Belanger, some interest from the #Flames.
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  72. Lowetide says:

    DSF:
    Tracy ‏@TreenasOil

    Lots of interest in Gagner, #Wild offer 7th pick for Sam Gagner, Martin Marincin, and Oilers 2nd pick. #Ducks also interested in Gagner..APG

    Gagner AND Marincin AND #32 for #7? hahahahaaha.

  73. Marc says:

    Lowetide: Gagner AND Marincin AND #32 for #7? hahahahaaha.

    That’s actually not far off what I suggested it would take to get Carolina’s pick yesterday.

    She’s stolen my made up idea and turned it into an unsubstantiated rumour!

  74. DSF says:

    Woodlief’s mock draft:

    http://tinyurl.com/8ye7f9o

  75. TheOtherJohn says:

    If we are taking a D not quite sure why with Klefbom and Musil coming that the Oil are not focused on Rielly for his offense. In 2 years Reilly/Klefbom would make a pretty good EV D pairing: Klefbom could eat up PK minutes and Reilly could play 45% of our PP time

    Woodlief 5 days before draft has Reinhart selected in the 9 slot

    No way Bergevin would move him but i really like Pacioretty!! #1 and Gagner for #3 and Gagner. Course Gagner is another undersized forward. He would, though, height wise fit into team picture

  76. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Gagner AND Marincin AND #32 for #7? hahahahaaha.

    Yeah, I don’t see why you’d trade Gagner for #7 straight up.

    If you are trading Gagner, no magic beans please, NHL players only.

  77. TheOtherJohn says:

    WG

    Would you do E Kane and Bogosian for #1, Gagner and #32 …… From both teams perspectives?

  78. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    WG

    Would you do E Kane and Bogosian for #1, Gagner and #32 …… From both teams perspectives?

    I don’t see why EDM would have to throw in #32.

    I’m not sure if WIN needs a C.

    Who plays 2C for EDM?

  79. Rondo says:

    Would you trade #1 for Adam Larsson?

    With Kovalchuk Yakupov could feel right at home and with Parise possibly leaving.

  80. LP says:

    Rondo,

    I too think Larsson is a great prospect, but there has to be something else coming back to EDM for it to be worth trading Yakupov for.

    Not a fair deal IMO.

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