OILERS WIN THE DAY, SCHULTZ THE YOUNGER

This a tremendous day for the Edmonton Oilers organization. No matter how well the player Justin Schultz turns out, the management accomplished a big deal this afternoon: they went head to head with some outstanding organizations and won the day.

I won’t argue the built in advantages (blueline depth, or lack of) and I won’t argue the role luck must have played, but we’ve seen this movie end badly in recent times. No talent heading out of town, a player who can grow with the cluster, and someone who clearly was worth a lot of attention from the reaction of talent scouts.

Well done, Edmonton Oilers.

The player Justin Schultz sounds like a real good acquisition, we’ll find out more as time rolls on. We’ve discussed him here, but Thomas Drance does a very nice job giving us a thumbnail sketch here.

And perhaps, by way of NHLE we can place Schultz in perspective when compared to the current blue prospects playing junior or college:

  1. Justin Schultz 15-25-40*
  2. Martin Gernat 4-19-23
  3. Martin Marincin 5-12-17
  4. Brandon Davidson 5-12-17*
  5. Kyle Bigos 4-13-17*
  6. Dillon Simpson 2-13-15
  7. David Musil 3-8-11

*Davidson was 20, Schultz 21,  Bigos 22.

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  1. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Schultzsqueeeeeeeeee!!!!!

  2. PDO says:

    Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

  3. Ice Sage says:

    The tide has turned again.
    Smart kid – looking forward to his contributions.

  4. Rebilled says:

    Thank you Wayne and Paul!

  5. "Steve Smith" says:

    You know, I’m generally leery of people saying “X, who has never played a North American pro hockey game, is going to step in and be an immediate difference-maker in the NHL” (a lot of people were saying that about Anton Lander during the last off-season, and it turns out that Tom Renney believed them). But hell, the Oilers are so bereft of top four options, it’s hard to see how he couldn’t help. Plus, anybody who identifies Edmonton as his favourite place to visit is so adorably brain-damaged that it’s impossible not to welcome him with open arms.

    In summary, squee.

  6. Wolfie says:

    As free agency hits tomorrow, do the Oilers get aggressive? Do they go out with a killer instinct and try to get Suter? Or do they remain patient and let the current group grow and forget about getting that extra piece. Is patience still needed or is there an opportunity right now?

  7. Doug McLachlan says:

    A top d-man isn’t “that extra piece”, it is still a very needed missing piece.

  8. Wolfie says:

    One other question…. Did the Oilers know Schultz wanted to be here when they dealt Tom Gilbert to Minnesota?

  9. Ryan says:

    When it comes to Schultzes, they’re like eyebrows. Two is always better than one!

  10. "Steve Smith" says:

    Wolfie,

    The plan should have been to try win during the kids’ ELCs. For Hall and Eberle, there’s still a year left. If they can get Suter without mortgaging the future (which I’m pretty sure they can’t), they’d be nuts not to. But if they’re going to do that, they should also be looking for another goalie and some veteran help up front (in other words, try to win).

    Anyway, though, there is absolutely no reason to believe that Suter has any interest in signing here, so I’m going to graciously refrain from blaming Oilers’ management if they don’t land him.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Maybe we should end Taylor Hall to deal with the Feds next time they want to shiv AB?

  12. Lowetide says:

    I think we could reasonably expect a top 4D after this, absolutely no reason to stop here. Schultz will get his top 4 minutes and plenty of PP time.

  13. Wolfie says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    A top d-man isn’t “that extra piece”, it is still a very needed missing piece.

    I mean it in the sense that if they feel they can wait for Petry, J. Schultz, Smid and one of Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat to solidify the D. Or if they pounce now. Is there an opportunity now to go for broke and try to win a cup and risk having to lose one or more of the young studs when renewals are needed. Or do the Oilers stay patient.

  14. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Maybe we should end Taylor Hall to deal with the Feds next time they want to shiv AB?

    No. Send The Krueger.

  15. TheOtherJohn says:

    Absolutely top notch news: Kudos to Lowe, MacT, Kruger and Hall. Expect the combo of crater that is the Oilers defense and young gun forwards tipped balance in our favour expect it might take him a year to adjust. Great addition at no cost!!

    Need to add minutes eating top pairing guy! Like Boumeester but expect it cost us some young assets. D goes from black hole to a strength in single off season

  16. Lowetide says:

    Helene St. James with an absolute big fly on twitter: So Justin Schultz engineers his way out of Anaheim to go to Edmonton. A Chris Pronger reverse move.

  17. spoiler says:

    Due to his age and salary I think an argument could be made that Schultz is a more valuable free agent than Suter.

  18. Ryan says:

    Wolfie:
    One other question…. Did the Oilers know Schultz wanted to be here when they dealt Tom Gilbert to Minnesota?

    100% Wolfie.

    Somewhere between the period of time when the Oilers didn’t know if Brule was waiver exempt or whether or not Pajaarvi could be recalled, they managed to find the loophole in the cba.

    When Tambo sat down with Kevin Lowe to discuss who they could get to play with JSchultz, Bucky was walking buy and overheard the conversation. Bucky chimed in that there’s another Schultz who plays for Minnesota.

    After further evaluation, they decided to trade Gilbert for the other Schultz.

  19. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Helene St. James with an absolute big fly on twitter: So Justin Schultz engineers his way out of Anaheim to go to Edmonton. A Chris Pronger reverse move.

    Buddy and I were saying that the last time we felt like this was the Pronger-Peca day.

  20. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    Helene St. James with an absolute big fly on twitter: So Justin Schultz engineers his way out of Anaheim to go to Edmonton. A Chris Pronger reverse move.

    Haha, never thought of it in those terms. Poetic justice?

  21. LP says:

    Excellent day for Oilers fan.

    LT, I especially enjoyed the Hallelujah music when you announced it.

  22. rich says:

    Kudos to Oilers management. They made the big sell this summer after years of striking out. There really is a light at the end of the tunnel here.

    A great day for Edmonton regardless of how well Schultz the younger plays.

  23. PDO says:

    Is he a UFA or RFA after 2 years?

  24. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ryan,

    haha…

    seriously though… we’re good on this front, right?

    there’s no way Ana gets us on tampering?

  25. voxwah says:

    Lowetide,

    I really thing Potter should give up his number 44 for Shultz to wear.

  26. Wolfie says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Wolfie,

    The plan should have been to try win during the kids’ ELCs.For Hall and Eberle, there’s still a year left.If they can get Suter without mortgaging the future (which I’m pretty sure they can’t), they’d be nuts not to.But if they’re going to do that, they should also be looking for another goalie and some veteran help up front (in other words, try to win).

    Anyway, though, there is absolutely no reason to believe that Suter has any interest in signing here, so I’m going to graciously refrain from blaming Oilers’ management if they don’t land him.

    Just peaking at Cap Geek and it seems that with Yakupov and J. Schultz getting max ELCs they Oilers would still have roughly $18M in cap space. Gagner probably takes another $4M maybe more.

    Plenty of room to fit a Suter, but how would that impact the future? I guess it’s hard to answer that question without knowing what the new CBA holds.

    I disagree with you on the goaltending. I think Dubnyk could be good enough and Khabi might be ok in spot starts.

    I guess you have to ask yourself if there is enough there that adding Suter and a couple of other pieces that you could legitimately challenge for a cup? Which is the greater risk? Going for it now, or hoping the young D in the system provide quality play and contract value when the young guns get paid?

  27. Ryan says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Ryan,

    haha…

    seriously though… we’re good on this front, right?

    there’s no way Ana gets us on tampering?

    I have no clue my friend.

    Where’s Lowetide’s loyal following of CBA experts and lawyers when you need them?

    Cue Tyler Dellow…

  28. "Steve Smith" says:

    Wolfie: Plenty of room to fit a Suter, but how would that impact the future?I guess it’s hard to answer that question without knowing what the new CBA holds.True enough. But in any event, the cap next year doesn’t much matter to the Oilers; the cap the year after that matters a great deal, since that’s when Hall and (especially) Eberle are due big raises.

    I disagree with you on the goaltending.I think Dubnyk could be good enough and Khabi might be ok in spot starts.We actually agree: “could be” and “might be”. But if we were to sign Suter, it would mean that we were serious about trying to win during the ELCs, and under those circumstances I’d want more confidence in our goaltending.

    It would have been nice if Dubnyk had gotten enough play such that we could have that confidence in him (or, alternatively, lack that confidence with, uh, confidence), but I suppose that that’s water under the bridge.

  29. Lowetide says:

    PDO: RFA.

  30. speeds says:

    LT:

    Where do you rank Schultz if you update the top 20? 2nd, I would guess?

  31. PDO says:

    Lowetide:
    PDO: RFA.

    Thanks.

    Awesome.

  32. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    LT:

    Where do you rank Schultz if you update the top 20?2nd, I would guess?

    speeds: Yes, #2. Klefbom might end up being better but we don’t know that about him and the Schultz resume is very good.

  33. gogliano says:

    Really hoping Hall taking the leadership lately is a trend and he and Eberle manage to take “big4″ contracts that make is possible to keep a core going forward for years. This is going to be a great group to watch going forward and they still have quite a few years to go.

    An absurd amount of luck to make all this come together. Winning the three lotteries was already miniscule odds and then adding a huge piece by such a random occurrence takes this into the “oh man something is coming together in a freakish way” kind of feeling.

  34. spoiler says:

    Some of the Schultz resume:

    •The only player in Wisconsin history named a two-time Hobey Baker Memorial Award top-10 finalist. The Hobey Baker Award goes to the top player in college hockey each season.

    •The only defenseman in team history to lead his team in goal scoring (16 in 2011-12).
    The second defenseman in school history and the fourth at any position to be named a two-time First-Team All-American.

    •First player in school history and third in WCHA history named a two-time WCHA Defensive Player of the year.

    •Led the nation’s defenseman the last two seasons in goals and points. He had 16 goals and 44 points this past season after scoring 18 goals and 47 points in 2010-11.

    •Reached 40 career goals, which ranks third in UW history and ninth in WCHA history among defensemen.

    •Tied for eighth among UW defensemen with 113 career points and became the sixth Badger blueliner to eclipse 100 points in less than three seasons. He’s the first UW defenseman since the 1994-95 season to pass the 100-point plateau in his career.

    •Had scoring streaks of 10 and seven games during the season and is believed to be the fourth UW defenseman since the 1976-77 season to string together a double-digit scoring streak.

    •Was on the ice for 69 of Wisconsin’s 105 goals this past season (65.7 percent), 27 of its 33 power-play tallies and 10 of its 17 game-winning goals.

    •Additional accolades for Schultz included becoming a two-time first-team All-WCHA defenseman, a two-time WCHA Defensive Player of the Week, a First-Team All-Collegehockeynews.com and All-USCHO.com defenseman, Spike Carlson Team MVP and Dr. Joseph Coyne Most Consistent award-winner.

    And he achieved those career milestones as a Junior.

  35. gd says:

    One of the best parts of JS signing is it does simplify the type of Dman the Oil should get this offseason. I think they should now focus on the somewhat overpaid, steady D first vet guy. Someone like Allen, Murray (SJ), Methot and maybe even Regher. Someone they can get with at most, ironically Ana 2nd rd pick. It also allows them to be patient with Klefbom. I’m also relieved we didn’t have to sign someone like Garrison to a 5 yr, 30 Mill contract.

    Now the focus can be on getting size and grit up front. They eventually need a Bolland-type or bigger #3 or 2 Centre, but I think that can wait until next year. Horcoff is only owed $7 Mill for the last 2 years of his contract, so with the way the cap is going he might actually be tradeable to a cap floor team after next year.

  36. Oiler_Kiwi says:

    Awesome day to be an Oiler fan. Therefore I’m opening the birthday present from my good lady, a Carn Mor Bunnahabhain (Islay) 10 Year old Single malt , matured in a sherry puncheon and bottled at 46% from the good folks at The Scottish Liqueur Centre.

    Slainte!

  37. markasread1199 says:

    Haven’t felt like this since:

    “Here’s a break…..Pisani…….SCORES!!!!!!!!!!”

    Cheers everyone, enjoy the day!

  38. LMHF#1 says:

    Happily reading the news from our annual camping trip. If anyone wonders, this is why I want Gretzky, Coffey and the ‘A’ team involved. Congrats to them all today though. This is a very big and very strange day compared to recent times.

  39. Professor Q says:

    Here’s the Schultz interview. Love that he says he always liked Edmonton when young, further smiting the Canucks fans who thought he was for sure going to sign because he grew up a Vancouver fan.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/podcastplayer.htm?pid=98&iid=40000

  40. Traktor says:

    My new favorite Oiler.

    This has to feel great for Katz and Oilers management.

  41. Chris says:

    Actually Shultz’ agents were pretty clever with this grand audition that he held in Toronto. It makes it very difficult for Anahiem to point the finger at any one team and claim they are responsible for tampering. After all he was talking to nine or so teams which is essentially a third of the league. What can they do claim a third of the league is responsible for tampering with their player?

    Far more likely the Ducks are going to have to simply bite the bullet on this one. They got Blake Wheelered. Although if I was Anahiem I’d probably want to look into where things went wrong and how that could be avoided in the future.

  42. spoiler says:

    From The Sun:

    Oilers draft pick Dillon Simpson, who attends the University of North Dakota, played against Schultz several times and says he’s the real thing.

    “He’s an unbelievable player. How he controls the play, he’s kind of got that Lidstrom look about him. He controls the puck, he controls the pace of the game.

    From Spector:

    How good was Schultz in college? By comparison, Whitney had 59 points in three seasons at Boston University, and was a fifth overall pick of Pittsburgh in 2002. Schultz had 113 points in his three-year NCAA career, so you can see why many people said he would have gone first overall at the recent draft, had he been eligible.

    “You can’t not look at those stats, in three years of college hockey. That’s unbelievable, for a defenceman,” Whitney said shortly after the decision on Saturday. “From what I’ve heard from everyone, he’s the real deal. Very legit.

    “You can’t help but think he’s really special. Especially when you see how good McDonagh and Gardiner were coming out college.”

  43. asiaoil says:

    Delighted in an “even a blind squirrel can find a nut occasionally” kind of way for the mgmt team. But with the signing of Kruger and now the young dman – you have to give them credit for doing well this week – let’s see how the next few days go.

    In other news – Colby Armstrong being bought out by TOR – he would be great in our bottom 6 and great injury insurance for the top 6 – he has most of what this team lacks at the forward slot. Injury issues but worth the risk.

  44. Oiler_Kiwi says:

    asiaoil: Delighted in an “even a blind squirrel can find a nut occasionally” kind of way for the mgmt team. But with the signing of Kruger and now the young dman – you have to give them credit for doing well this week – let’s see how the next few days go.In other news – Colby Armstrong being bought out by TOR – he would be great in our bottom 6 and great injury insurance for the top 6 – he has most of what this team lacks at the forward slot. Injury issues but worth the risk.

    Worth the risk IMO.

  45. spoiler says:

    Pronman on Schultz:

    …Schultz in my opinion is Anaheim’s clear number one prospect…

    Schultz is a player defined by his puck possession skills which are easily high-end. He is a player who one NHL executive described as having “outstanding hockey sense and poise with the puck.” Schultz can make special plays because of his high-end if not better vision and offensive instincts. If you want a defenseman who can control a power play, make great outlets, be creative with the puck, hit his passing targets through tight seams, and know when to join the rush, then Schultz is your guy.

    and

    His hockey sense translates to the defensive end as well, and while he’s not as dynamic in that end, he’s a smart positional player who uses his stick well to close gaps and separate pucks. I wouldn’t classify Schultz as a crash-and-bang defenseman although he will rub guys off the puck. His strength has gotten better, although I wouldn’t say he’s at NHL level just quite yet, and I’d say he projects as a slightly below-average physical player. However, his fitness level is very high. Scouts I’ve talked to are very optimistic about his physical condition, describing him as having “very good stamina” and he’s the kind of player who despite needing a little more strength is ready to make the NHL jump and is physically able to log a lot of minutes over a full pro season despite playing a somewhat limited schedule in college hockey.

    I have to add here that I’ve seen him throw a couple of pretty heavy bodychecks on the highlight packages, including a great open ice hip check.

  46. leadfarmer says:

    No time to waste, everyone back to the KATZCOPTER and track down Ryan Sutter and sign him to a reasonable 5 year contract. While your at find some incriminating pictures to blackmail Doan to a cheap contract. I’ll start looking for some.

  47. jb says:

    leadfarmer:
    No time to waste, everyone back to the KATZCOPTER and track down Ryan Sutter and sign him to a reasonable 5 year contract.While your at find some incriminating pictures to blackmail Doan to a cheap contract.I’ll start looking for some.

    They’ll look into signing Suter no doubt… I don’t think there’s too many Western conference teams willing to throw big money at a D.. but we’ll see. Doan would be a sweet addition as well.. If this were to happen I believe that would be considered a perfect off-season?

  48. Smarmy says:

    I’m so excited. This is the best off season day since the Pronger/Peca day. Great day for the organization.

  49. jake70 says:

    Traktor:
    My new favorite Oiler.

    This has to feel great for Katz and Oilers management.

    Remember the “grin” at TSN studio when the Oil won the lottery…….imagine seeing it today. Would pay money to see that.

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Professor Q:
    Here’s the Schultz interview. Love that he says he always liked Edmonton when young, further smiting the Canucks fans who thought he was for sure going to sign because he grew up a Vancouver fan.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/podcastplayer.htm?pid=98&iid=40000

    Sweet Jesus did they have him tied up in a basement somewhere… the audio is brutal.

    Kid sounds good though. Clearly excited about edmonton. Made all the right overtures (to ana; the other teams; no guarantees; etc).

    So… when do we get to see him… training camp or sooner?

  51. Archie says:

    LT what’s the status of Kyle Bigos, or is he going to pull a Schultz.

  52. Lowetide says:

    Archie:
    LT what’s the status of Kyle Bigos, or is he going to pull a Schultz.

    “I love Canada, I love Edmonton and the organization has treated me so well. They have me completely right now and I’m very excited to be a part of it, very honoured and I’m just going to work as hard as I can to make the team.”

    http://thepipelineshow.blogspot.ca/2012/06/answering-bigos-question.html

  53. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Boondock,

    From Drance’s article:

    “Most folks assume that the short-list of teams will ultimately include Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, New York (Rangers) and Philadelphia. ”

    so was philly the ???? team?

  54. Chris says:

    Truthfully as much as Suter would be nice I tend to think picking up Matt Carle for 5 to 5.5 million dollars would be preferable to picking up Suter for 8 or 9. Its just a much more managable salary. We have to keep in mind that shortly all of Eberle, Hall, and RNH are going to get paid. We can’t have too many other big tickets hanging around. Someone is going to go all in on Suter to try to lock up their back end. Its just problematic from our perspective as it will make us an offer sheet target. Over the next few years we need to start finding some value contracts to allow us to pay the Fab 4.

    I mean on the plus side we only have one more year of Khabbibulin’s contract, and three more seasons of Comrade Horcov’s 5.5 a year caphit which means it expires while the kids are all still rfa. Whitney’s money might become free after this season as 4 million is rather expensive for a third pairing guy. Fantastic player when he’s healthy but that was two seasons ago…

    But generally speaking for our cap situation we really need Hartikainan, Pitlick and a few of the defensive prospects to come along and offer us some low price roster spots or we could easily get Blackhawked within a couple years.

  55. bendelson says:

    Stunning news! What a week for the organization.

    The possible PP combinations are enough to make a crotchety old curmudgeon like me do the happy dance.

    Just wow.

  56. Lowetide says:

    I think Detroit might have been the secret team. They have been getting quality forever, suspect they tried to get in there.

  57. mattwatt says:

    LT, how is Schultz as a prospect better than Matt Gilroy was? Any worries that Schultz follows the same path?

  58. gd says:

    Bookje’s comment that ???? team has too many question marks might have been the funniest, tension breaker in Internet history.

  59. gd says:

    mattwatt,

    Gilroy was undrafted 24 yr old, He had 37.pts in 45 games in last year of college.

    Schultz, 2nd rd pick in possibly greatest draft for Dmen. He is 21 and he has averaged over a point a game for the last two years. He also played at University that has a great rep for turning out NHL Dmen. His same age college teammate that he outscored at Wisconsin, was just named to the All Rookie team and had 30 pts and played over 21 minutes a game.

    No guarantees, but odds are he and Dougie Hamilton will be the best rookie D this year.

  60. Rondo says:

    Well we had a good draft this year

  61. mattwatt says:

    gd: mattwatt, Gilroy was undrafted 24 yr old, He had 37.pts in 45 games in last year of college.Schultz, 2nd rd pick in possibly greatest draft for Dmen. He is 21 and he has averaged over a point a game for the last two years. He also played at University that has a great rep for turning out NHL Dmen. His same age college teammate that he outscored at Wisconsin, was just named to the All Rookie team and had 30 pts and played over 21 minutes a game.No guarantees, but odds are he and Dougie Hamilton will be the best rookie D this year.

    Thanks for the insight. I tried to research what the differences between the two players wear but couldn’t find anything.

    Telling to how good Schultz is as a player was how many teams tried to get him. Every joe and his dog was trying to see if they could lure him.

  62. Traktor says:

    I think Edmonton will be very aggressive in the next couple days.

    Signing Schultz allows Edmonton to play with house money.

  63. Deeg says:

    The Staal brothers in Carolina; the Schenn brothers in Philadelphia; and now the long lost Schultz brothers in Edmonton. :) It was destiny, right?

  64. Lowetide says:

    Well it sounds like they sat down and told the young man the truth, then Krueger stepped in with his vision and sway and Hall set fire to the excitement level and young Schultz threw open the door of opportunity.

    Nice. LOVE that the major players in the room were Krueger and Hall. That’s where the rubber hits the road.

  65. Dipstick says:

    I think it came down to my idea of having Tikkanen phone him every hour until he agreed to sign with the Oil. You can hear the shakiness in his voice on the Dittrick interview. He was obviously shaken up and intimidated. Gretzky and Coffey, meh!

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Well it sounds like they sat down and told the young man the trith, then Krueger stepped in with his vision and sway and Hall set fire to the excitement level and young Schultz threw open the door of opportunity.

    Nice. LOVE that the major players in the room were Krueger and Hall. That’s where the rubber hits the road.

    Indeed, does that also tell us that Hall and Krueger are good partners? I see a buddy flic with a wizened vet and a brash young kid in the works…

    also… the more I think about it… this Schultz kid seems pretty poised if he took the time to personally call the teams he wasn’t accepting.

    I know a lot of people were giving him guff for how he handled things… but I imagine those teams will be in a hard spot trying to hold anything against the kid (excepting all fans and ana of course).

  67. Lowetide says:

    Fussy britches tells us that Smyth will let the Oilers know tonight if he accepts their offer

  68. Jesse says:

    Just Watched the Tambellini video on the oilers app — apparently MacT took the call from Schultz when they found out he chose the oilers.

    Just another peek into the oilers management hierarchy. ST says he entered the room to a bunch of cheering.

  69. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    Fussy britches tells us that Smyth will let the Oilers know tonight if he accepts their offer

    After about 50 tweets from others today saying that they were trying to get a deal done by the end of the day.

  70. Traktor says:

    Looks like trading Tom Gilbert opened up a spot on the right side for Schultz.

  71. gd says:

    I really wish JS kept a diary of his thought process though the past 6 months. This has been a fascinating story to follow as in this day and age I can’t believe how quiet he kept throughout. I mean most kids his age post everything they are doing and thinking about on Facebook. I still have no clue what went wrong with Anaheim and I don’t get why Ottawa was in the running considering they have Karlsson and no obvious connection to him like Det, NYR and TO had. I swear this is like reading “All the President’s Men” and then finding out who “Deep Throat” was as soon as you finish it.

  72. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Jesse,

    I caught that too.

    “yea…. wait… what are we cheering about?”

    His role is a real mystery to me. It sounds like he had very little to do with this whole thing (maybe that’s why it worked! haha)

    bookje,

    who’s this fussy b? and who are these others tapped into the Smyth camp?

  73. justDOit says:

    Traktor:
    Looks like trading Tom Gilbert opened up a spot on the right side for Schultz.

    and returned the perfect ‘low event’ dman for this young team.

  74. uni says:

    leadfarmer: While your at find some incriminating pictures to blackmail Doan to a cheap contract. I’ll start looking for some.

    It’s going to be a tad difficult explaining to the missus why your recent search history is full of queries akin to “Shane Doan naked compromising pictures”.

    jb: Doan would be a sweet addition as well.. If this were to happen I believe that would be considered a perfect off-season?

    Suter and Doan will only be good if the contracts are good. Tying up 10 years at 7.5 million per in Suter could have adverse effects when Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and Stranglehold contract talks come up.

  75. gogliano says:

    Traktor:
    Looks like trading Tom Gilbert opened up a spot on the right side for Schultz.

    Almost like they knew something. Wonder if Hall and him houseboating together has more of a backstory.

    Tampering charges are pretty hard to prove but in a situation like this I’d be surprised if the frontrunners didn’t know who they were in advance. Pro hockey is a small community and it is easy to get word to an organization if you want to.

  76. DeadmanWaking says:

    I really don’t see the play-by-play problem with the Schootz and Schuutz defensive pairing. Good thing in the interview was his comment about “earning my spot”. He wasn’t entirely telling the truth as he knows for certain he’s going to get some Jean Lifetime-Lifeline Jacques booster vitamins.

  77. justDOit says:

    DeadmanWaking:
    I really don’t see the play-by-play problem with the Schootz and Schuutz defensive pairing.Good thing in the interview was his comment about “earning my spot”.He wasn’t entirely telling the truth as he knows for certain he’s going to get some Jean Lifetime-Lifeline Jacques booster vitamins.

    Rexall brand?

  78. wordbird says:

    Alas, Paul Gaustad re-signs with Preds for 4 years.

  79. uni says:

    Lowetide,

    Personally I’m sick and tired of hearing references to britches. It’s obvious he’s a fake, got his previous info from another infonets source, and now just throws darts at a board in an educated guess sort of way.

    Considering that FA season opens tomorrow it’s kind of a pretty safe assumption Smyth’s decision will be known soon.

  80. Traktor says:

    justDOit: and returned the perfect ‘low event’ dman for this young team.

    Agreed.

  81. jonrmcleod says:

    Actual quote: Tambellini said Schultz handled everything with “a lot of poise.”

  82. justDOit says:

    jonrmcleod,

    well you can’t have a little poise – you either have poise, or you don’t.

  83. wordbird says:

    Jesse: Just another peek into the oilers management hierarchy. ST says he entered the room to a bunch of cheering.

    Well, someone’s gotta make the lunch run to Subway™.

  84. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    I think Detroit might have been the secret team. They have been getting quality forever, suspect they tried to get in there.

    Maybe, but I suspect not. There was no mystery about their interest and I’m pretty sure the MSM reported them out of the runnin when it went to the short list.

    It kinda smells like Lamoriello. And he had Jay Freakin Pandolfo as his top offensive weapon from the blue line last season. If I had to guess, I’d put my money on the Devs.

  85. DeadmanWaking says:

    I’m losing the battle. Must … not … pine … for … October. There … are … FIVE … lights.

  86. Lowetide says:

    I hate Lou. Honestly. I’m not a violent man but I’d as likely back over him as say hello..

  87. jonrmcleod says:

    Here is the full quote from Tambellini that I mentioned above. Great move by him allowing others to give the pitch to Schultz.

    “When you speak to his agents, Justin was the person driven the bus. He made the decisions, he made the calls — and when you speak to him, he was the calm voice that you would think should be overwhelming for a young player, but he’s obviously handled everything with a lot of class and a lot of poise.”

  88. jonrmcleod says:

    justDOit,

    Now if I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a thousand times, POISE COUNTS!

  89. DoubleJ says:

    Dipstick:
    I think it came down to my idea of having Tikkanen phone him every hour until he agreed to sign with the Oil.You can hear the shakiness in his voice on the Dittrick interview.He was obviously shaken up and intimidated.Gretzky and Coffey, meh!

    Lol. That made me laugh out load, my wife just looked at me. “Said it’s summer get a life.”
    It’s a good day.

  90. CrazyCoach says:

    Dipstick: I think it came down to my idea of having Tikkanen phone him every hour until he agreed to sign with the Oil. You can hear the shakiness in his voice on the Dittrick interview. He was obviously shaken up and intimidated. Gretzky and Coffey, meh!

    And to you sir, I owe my 1983 Oiler Orange playoff towel I got the night Gretz single-handedly beat the Jets.

  91. Woodguy says:

    Out at a family reunion drinking my body weight in beer.

    Al Gore tells me that Shultz the Younger joins the Oilers magically giving them a high end defender from the 2008 draft, exactly when they needed to draft one to join the high end forwards.

    Add to that Yakupov and a smart coach who may not see sideburns.

    Life’s pretty damn good.

  92. CrazyCoach says:

    Woodguy: Add to that Yakupov and a smart coach who may not see sideburns.

    Unlike the coach from three seasons ago who said he was going out to watch some IHL games at Christmas break.

  93. OilClog says:

    Wow. This is incredible, days like today I’m glad I’m out on the west coast. I’ve never done so much pointing and laughing at my friends or anyone walking by. Usually it’s the other way around as I refuse to hide my oiler colors out here. This feels so good.

    I hope there is no Suter chasing, we now have Petry n Schultz jr. Let them have those Suter minutes.

    If smyth won’t sign for a fair market value. Then be gone, it’s all on you this time.

    We keep Gagner, he may be tall for a smurf and short for a 2nd line center. But I think he fights more then most 2nd line centers. And he is usually the one that starts it. Don’t trade this guy.

    I chase a 4-6 spot d-man that has been through some wars. Two experienced bottom 6 forwards, not named Jagr, Smyth, or Whitney.

    Dump Belanger, Hordichuk, Khabbi. I still give Eager a chance, with Ralph in his ear. I see him being much better next season. We will need his type of play in the playoffs if we get there.

    I’m worried they sign Carle, I think it would be the eventually end of Smid. I’d rather have Smid.

  94. cabbiesmacker says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Schultzsqueeeeeeeeee!!!!!

    Oh great. The 4 year olds have migrated from Oiler Nation. sigh.

  95. striatic says:

    hmm .. Gilbert trade looking much better now. Good.

    i don’t want Suter, but like Carle.

  96. OilClog says:

    cabbiesmacker: Oh great. The 4 year olds have migrated from Oiler Nation. sigh.

    And where did the negative nancy migrate from??

  97. "Steve Smith" says:

    OilClog,

    Lee-dom.

  98. ashley says:

    I’m not sure the Oilers should target any D at this point. Their depth chart is rather long, although lacks top end quality. However, we know we don’t have to have a 1D to have a good team since many teams don’t, and do well enough.

    Let’s see where the prospects fill in the holes and if we need to backfill, do it 30 games into the season or so. At that point, I would target someone underappreciated like JBouw, but he may already have a new team within the next 48 hours.

    I would forget about Doan too. He is aged and with Smyth coming back, we have our veteran winger presence.

    The guy to target tomorrow is Jokinen. He’s a big center with good defensive zone work and can add some offense. This is where we have the most obvious hole in our roster with no legitimate prospects bubbling under.

    He’s going to draw a few suitors for sure, but I suspect that a lot of teams will be distracted with Parise, Suter, Garrison etc.

    When the clock strikes 10AM, I would have Jokinen’s agent on the phone.

    Jokinen has the talent to be a first line center and could return to that glory with our talented wingers.

  99. Lowetide says:

    I think they’ll add, because Whitney is a ? and they know it. Healthy Whitney? different story. Ps, Rom is cool.

  100. CrazyCoach says:

    ashley: The guy to target tomorrow is Jokinen. He’s a big center with good defensive zone work and can add some offense. This is where we have the most obvious hole in our roster with no legitimate prospects bubbling under.

    Interesting strategy. Do you know who his wingers were in Calgary and FLA?

  101. uni says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    NO! There…are…FOUR lights!

  102. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    cabbiesmacker: Oh great. The 4 year olds have migrated from Oiler Nation. sigh.

    Seriously?

    On a great Oiler day… you lack even a modicum of levity?

    that’s hilarious!

    striatic,

    I’m just going to throw my pick back out there for discussion: Tyutin.

  103. bookje says:

    WG – it’s all part of ST4.1′s plan!

    That is that UFA’s will start coming to the Oilers once they have young talent again.

    Yay plan!

  104. OilClog says:

    If we brought in Jokinen.. Where does he play? Would he accept anything less then 2nd line centre duties? Gags isn’t bottom 6. But from the sounds of it.. Elm Street can talk anyone into anything. How much does a Jokinen cost? I think they’re better options out there, somehow someway.

  105. DSF says:

    ashley:
    I’m not sure the Oilers should target any D at this point.Their depth chart is rather long, although lacks top end quality.However, we know we don’t have to have a 1D to have a good team since many teams don’t, and do well enough.

    Let’s see where the prospects fill in the holes and if we need to backfill, do it 30 games into the season or so.At that point, I would target someone underappreciated like JBouw, but he may already have a new team within the next 48 hours.

    I would forget about Doan too.He is aged and with Smyth coming back, we have our veteran winger presence.

    The guy to target tomorrow is Jokinen.He’s a big center with good defensive zone work and can add some offense.This is where we have the most obvious hole in our roster with no legitimate prospects bubbling under.

    He’s going to draw a few suitors for sure, but I suspect that a lot of teams will be distracted with Parise, Suter, Garrison etc.

    When the clock strikes 10AM, I would have Jokinen’s agent on the phone.

    Jokinen has the talent to be a first line center and could return to that glory with our talented wingers.

    Jokinen would be an excellent alternative to Gagner at 2C.

    60 points/season.

    Move Gagner + for another top 4 D.

  106. "Steve Smith" says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Besides levity, he lacks a sense of history: in the context of the Oilogosphere, “squee” is associated primarily with Hot Oil, a blog that lived and died before OilersNation was a sparkle in some cynical business-type’s eye.

  107. vishcosity says:

    Granted its my own fault for marrying a ducks fan, but hockey is not a happy discussion in this southern abode. Gotta say I agree with her in that unless that loop is closed in the next CBA, university students are going to be given the russian treatment soon.

    Anyone know anyone who needs a relatively new Oiler’s sweater? I have a feeling it won’t be worn again any time soon. Not that it was worn lots before, but moving ahead the distain doesn’t seem too likely to fade.

    While I do like the idea of Jokinen, I much prefer waiting on Getzlaf and offering that cat the moon. I believe he is UFA in a year. May be available at the deadline in February from a team very likely to tank.

  108. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    OilClog,

    I think Jok would have to be contingent upon (at the very least) a trade sending Belanger somewhere, or the nuclear option being exercised on Horcoff — assuming (as you note) Jok would take on 3 line duties.

    Otherwise, you’d need to be sending Gagner away for that elusive vet D to make him fit.

    If one of those things happened, or injury, he would definitely get a spot.

    Having flushed O’Marra and Brule (not big stars on the depth chart I know), the position is a little weak after Lander, who is hardly reliable at C right now.

    he made 3 mil the last two years… which was a downgrade from his previous 4 year contract…

    http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=452

    is he even cheaper now? would the same deal: 2 years 6 mil be a good deal? Of course, he might want something longer (scratch that… almost definitely he will, they all do)

  109. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    vishcosity,

    wear your sweater with pride, my friend:

    http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/loyalty2.jpg

    Or, save it for a rainy day. Are the hockey memories that long in S. Cali?

    “waiting on Getzlaf and offering that cat the moon.”

    Getzlaf would be a pretty sweet peach, might as well put Nash in there too while we are dreaming… but Andres Galarraga’s best days are behind him.

    OilClog,
    Lowetide,
    “Steve Smith”,

    thanks guys.

  110. vishcosity says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Oh I will wear mine, its her’s that we may as well unload. She had a Parros sweater but no one knows where it is. Lost in a move or something. I don’t think that is helping matters. Maybe as a peace offering I should look to buy her another from big George. I have a sense they’re going to be on sale shortly.

  111. ashley says:

    Yeah, I think you’d have to bury Belanger and call him up for the inevitable Horc injury, or give him away if possible. I’d keep Gagner and go with RNH, Jokinen, Gagner, Horcoff. Three scoring lines. Horcoff and Smyth on a checking 4th line.

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    vishcosity,

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/GEORGE-PARROS-SIGNED-ANAHEIM-DUCKS-JERSEY-SIZE-M-NHL-ENFORCER-KINGS-/190697565275?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6675ec5b#ht_500wt_1156

    look at the second photo… I think it says “all the baby”??

    who knows… maybe you can sneak it by everyone cheap, funny things happen on ebay.

  113. DSF says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    OilClog,

    I think Jok would have to be contingent upon (at the very least) a trade sending Belanger somewhere, or the nuclear option being exercised on Horcoff — assuming (as you note) Jok would take on 3 line duties.

    Otherwise, you’d need to be sending Gagner away for that elusive vet D to make him fit.

    If one of those things happened, or injury, he would definitely get a spot.

    Having flushed O’Marra and Brule (not big stars on the depth chart I know), the position is a little weak after Lander, who is hardly reliable at C right now.

    he made 3 mil the last two years… which was a downgrade from his previous 4 year contract…

    http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=452

    is he even cheaper now? would the same deal: 2 years 6 mil be a good deal? Of course, he might want something longer (scratch that… almost definitely he will, they all do)

    Hopkins
    Jokinen
    Horcoff
    Belanger

    Looks quite a bit better than now.

    He’s also 6’2″ 210 and might score 30 goals with the young talent.

    Plus, for LT’s benefit, he’s a Finn :)

  114. CrazyCoach says:

    vishcosity: Granted its my own fault for marrying a ducks fan, but hockey is not a happy discussion in this southern abode. Gotta say I agree with her in that unless that loop is closed in the next CBA, university students are going to be given the russian treatment soon.

    I think that loop has been open for years, and goes back to Van Ryk? Isn’t that what happened to Comrie out of junior?

    I doubt the players would want that loop closed seeing the owners used to own players lock stock and barrel at 12 years of age way back when. It’s an argument that won’t see much discussion much like raising the draft age to 19 or 20.

  115. Woodguy says:

    The right side of the top 2 D pairings are taken care of for maybe 5 years and that’s some of the toughest spots to fill.

    Pretty exciting.

  116. vishcosity says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    WOAH. Nice find! I will however need to look for one that fits a girl who is 6 feet tall, that sadly is an M.

    While I loved the loyalty pic, even that didn’t turn a smile. Its a hard day, here in mudville, and if given that hell has no fury like a woman scorned, then I best be watching your ebay idea closely for a while. I think you’re on to something for sure.

  117. hags9k says:

    If you build it, they will come.

    Great news today, here’s hoping the kid can live up to what will be pretty large expectations.

    GOILERS!!

  118. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    vishcosity,

    Wow! 6′! impressive!

    that’s a men’s M no?… and jerseys are built to handle all sorts of equipment… so who knows, maybe it would work…

    at any rate, I would pass on signed jerseys. If you didn’t meet the guy, what’s the point. There’s no memory there, so it’s kind of meaningless (IMO).

    good luck with smoothing the waters and finding a duck jersey!

    ps. just be glad you’ve got a lady who likes sports! whenever I manage to get mine out to a game, she threatens to bring a book, and has to a few baseball games (I won’t let her for hockey).

  119. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    DSF: Hopkins
    Jokinen
    Horcoff
    Belanger

    Looks quite a bit better than now.

    He’s also 6’2″ 210 and might score 30 goals with the young talent.

    Plus, for LT’s benefit, he’s a Finn

    It’s a nice line-up to be sure. But I wouldn’t walk from Gagner without that elusive D, or something really happening, coming back.

  120. CrazyCoach says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: ps. just be glad you’ve got a lady who likes sports! whenever I manage to get mine out to a game, she threatens to bring a book, and has to a few baseball games (I won’t let her for hockey).

    I think Tammy Wynette sung a foreshadowing song if my wife did that.

    D-I-V-O-R-C-E

  121. cabbiesmacker says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Seriously?

    On a great Oiler day… you lack even a modicum of levity?

    that’s hilarious!

    I don’t think hilarious means what you think it does….right Steve?

    Can we look forward to a FIST soon?

  122. ashley says:

    A great day.

    I don’t want to rain on the party too early, but I can’t help but think with the luck rolling through this organization, the expectations are already off the charts.

    Three first overall picks. A college defender emerging as a top 4D (Petry). A home run at pick #22 (Eberle). Now the youngest and best D free agent signs an entry level deal with us.

    Until now, no one mainstream has talked about the boys on the bus parallels, but with 99 and 7 calling Schultz to tell him of the great opportunity in Edmonton, everyone is thinking boys on the bus part 2.

    First of all, we finished 29th last year. I think we should start with the hope of making the playoffs next year. But it’s too late to close the barn doors. The whisper on the blogs and in the media is challenge for t he cup! This team isn’t there yet, in my opinion, and that is not to slight Yakupov or Schultz.

    Also, the boys on the bus was a different era, different style of hockey, and different contract management. Today, with unprecedented parity, defensive hockey, and a salary cap, it will be impossible to replicate boys on the bus. It might not be possible to win a single championship if we have enough dumb luck or bad breaks or injuries at the wrong time. A single goal on a bad penalty call can win or lose a playoff series where the final score in a key game is likely to be 2-1.

    The Oilers are building a great team and they are going to be a lot of fun to watch, but I am confident that they have no chance of living up to the expectations of the fans in this town in the current NHL climate.

    I just hope they get to the dance at least once.

  123. OilClog says:

    I can’t see Belanger coming back, didn’t he say he wants to play in Montreal?

    I don’t think I want Jokinen anywhere near this team, it could be because he’s a two time flame, or it could be his amazing playoff stats, maybe it’s the foot speed. I mean if we want to teach the kids how to have a belly in December. I think there are better options, anything.

  124. Rondo says:

    LT,

    What do make of this?

    http://www.oilersjambalaya.com/2012/06/oilers-day-4-development-camp.html#comment-form

    “Got some inside information today that I am tracking down but not certain on in regards to some trade talks. All I can really say, is where there is smoke their is usually fire. Highly likely if Oilers can trade for a player they are looking at, it will cost prospects in the system but not sure who that would be with any certainty. Not to mention, to say a specific name could just lead to rumours galore. In the end, should Oilers get trade they want, 1 or 2 decent prospects will be going the other way. Should a trade happen let’s hope only prospects that are not of the high end calibre.”

  125. Gret99zky says:

    I’d be okay with Jokinen on a 1 or two year. He’s a big centerman. He can win draws. Injuries are coming our way. They always do. Might as well be ready with some depth.

    Also, sign Garrison for $5.5M over 4 years.

  126. Maverick says:

    Crazy busy June day in Edmonton! Working in the morning, attend wedding in the afternoon, Eskimo game in the late afternoon, and now finally home to have a few beverages to celebrate the Eskimo win and the signing of Justin Schultz!!!

    My God, I can’t believe we got him!! Awesome! Drafting Yakupov last week, signing the best young UFA defenseman on the market this weekend, wow!!

    We all hoped it may turn out this way and now that it has, PRICELESS!!

  127. Gret99zky says:

    Rondo:

    What do make of this?

    This? Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl…

  128. Smarmy says:

    Jokinen was fantastic last year. He’d be an amazing addition that could help take tough minutes, let RNH do his think and maybe even scale back Horcoff enough that he regains respectability.

  129. Lowetide says:

    Rondo: we’ve heard Streit and Methot on d, we’ve heard Josh Bailey, Jagr, Tootoo, Frattin. I’d say Ryan Jones and Theo are vulnerable the other way.

  130. Lowetide says:

    Maybe Jon Quick too.

  131. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    ashley,

    “This team isn’t there yet”

    For sure. Eberle is the oldest of the kids and he’s 22!!

    It’s good to remind ourselves that making the playoffs is a good first step (and that might slip past us yet without another D and reliable G to back up DD if he’s the #1 or if he falters).

    still, though… lot’s to be excited about in oilerland!

    OilClog,

    “I can’t see Belanger coming back, didn’t he say he wants to play in Montreal?”

    How do we get him there… and what do we get back?

    If he goes… we better turn up the hunt for Cs

    Lowetide,

    “Ryan Jones and Theo are vulnerable the other way.”

    If RJ goes, would they promote Eager to more TOI? As I recall RJ was on the PK a lot last year, who would take his PK TOI? One of the guys coming back? one of the kids?

    “Maybe Jon Quick too.”

    Hell! If we are fantasy poaching the LAK… let’s take Kopitar!!

    I’m pretty sure his playoff run was a love letter to every hockey fan.

  132. Lowetide says:

    RW now is:

    1. Hemsky
    2. Eberle
    3. Yakupov
    4. Jones

    If you’re going to improve RW, who goes?

  133. vishcosity says:

    CrazyCoach: I think that loop has been open for years, and goes back to Van Ryk?Isn’t that what happened to Comrie out of junior?

    I doubt the players would want that loop closed seeing the owners used to own players lock stock and barrel at 12 years of age way back when.It’s an argument that won’t see much discussion much like raising the draft age to 19 or 20.

    Maybe ask Jonas Hiller what he thinks of that loophole right now. And while no one wants to go back to the days of the Habs owning a player for life, I was pretty choked when Coffey walked out, much like the lady is torqued right now. She is clearly down on hockey to the point that even if I do buy a ducks sweater, she will be pissed that I wasted the money.

    Curious that I am in such a position. On one hand pretty joyful that my boys may not be the Islanders west, on the other, totally feeling her sense of being ripped off. Feels like the day the lockout was announced in baseball and the spo’s got the shaft. Honestly, it took me a number of years to get over that. I suspect it may be the same for the california queen and for a large number of fans from her hood.

    We talk lots about Bettman and what he has done for the sport in SW US. After the coyotes camp last week, we realized why the stands were so full. turns out a goalie camp was on the ice after the jr.yotes. There were probably 30 kids between 8 and 14 all waiting for the prospects to bail. 30 goalie kids in Phoenix at an ice rink similar to Clareview. Gift shop, hockey skates, composite sticks. She reminded me that all this was because of Gary Bettman, that the rink didn’t exist at all in 1990.

    So the end of the Jets became the birth of the Ice Den in Scottsdale, it became the chance for every one of those kids to strap on pads. In the gift shop I heard 14 year old girls talking about which stick they had. In Phoenix, hockey may be at an all time high level of popularity, but in Anaheim, it maybe just took a blast similar to what baseball in Canada got in 1981.

    So while I am happy that JS is in Oiler blue, I sense that loophole needs to close quickly because fans here are few and far between, and losing any of them is going to hurt the sport long term. Crosby’s contract, and Quick’s 10 year deal made the highlights on ESPN. That probably wouldn’t have happened 10 years ago, disenfranchising fans in socal isn’t going to help any fans of any team, even in Edmonton. this is where the revenue comes from, and I think the league does need to be super careful not to piss off the locals. And today the locals are pissed. I fear today the NHL has lost at least one fan.

    Man I hope this blows over. It may be a while before I’m at a game with a lady who is excited to go.

  134. Rondo says:

    Lowetide,

    What about Jason Garrison/

  135. rickithebear says:

    No Gaustad: signed 13M over 4YR.

  136. remember reijo says:

    when you type Kruegerhallschultz into an anagram engine you get….
    Grace Hell Rush Klutz
    Cellar Hertz Hug Sulk
    Slack Hell Hertz Guru
    Three Czars Gull Hulk…………….i just like anagrams is all.

  137. bookje says:

    vishcosity,

    It will blow over.

    Also, I am one of those who thinks NHL hockey can do well in Phoenix.

  138. Wolfie says:

    ashley:
    A great day.

    I don’t want to rain on the party too early, but I can’t help but think with the luck rolling through this organization, the expectations are already off the charts.

    Three first overall picks.A college defender emerging as a top 4D (Petry).A home run at pick #22 (Eberle).Now the youngest and best D free agent signs an entry level deal with us.

    Until now, no one mainstream has talked about the boys on the bus parallels, but with 99 and 7 calling Schultz to tell him of the great opportunity in Edmonton, everyone is thinking boys on the bus part 2.

    First of all, we finished 29th last year.I think we should start with the hope of making the playoffs next year.But it’s too late to close the barn doors.The whisper on the blogs and in the media is challenge for t he cup!This team isn’t there yet, in my opinion, and that is not to slight Yakupov or Schultz.

    Also, the boys on the bus was a different era, different style of hockey, and different contract management.Today, with unprecedented parity, defensive hockey, and a salary cap, it will be impossible to replicate boys on the bus.It might not be possible to win a single championship if we have enough dumb luck or bad breaks or injuries at the wrong time.A single goal on a bad penalty call can win or lose a playoff series where the final score in a key game is likely to be 2-1.

    The Oilers are building a great team and they are going to be a lot of fun to watch, but I am confident that they have no chance of living up to the expectations of the fans in this town in the current NHL climate.

    I just hope they get to the dance at least once.

    The Oilers of the Boys on the Bus era redefined NHL hockey. Maybe just maybe this group can do that as well. It may be premature to think this club can challenge for a cup next year. However, if they can add a couple more pieces it might not be that unrealistic.

    No team in the NHL since the ’80s Oilers have had this kind of young elite talent. The Nordiques were the last team to draft 1st overall 3 consecutive years. The climate is right to keep this core intact for a long time unless the NHL completely messes the salary cap and forces the Oilers to make choices.

    Even prior to the salary cap when Detroit was amassing talent, they never had this many young stars at once. Pittsburgh does not have this much but they do have Crosby and Malkin. Chicago is probably the closest but they effed things up with their QO debacle.

    If they get another top 4 defender. If Smyth or comparable can fill that tough minute role and if they can improve the 4th line a little this team could make noise.

    If they go something like

    Hall-RNH-Yak
    Harts/MPS-Gagner-Eberle
    Smyth-Horc-Hemsky

    They will create mismatches by forcing opposing teams to pick their poison.

    They’re a lot closer now then they were a couple of weeks ago.

  139. eidy says:

    I wonder if phx has any interest in getting belanger back. They are short of forwards and loaded on d. I wonder if there is some room to move there.

    Besides they are likely going to end up in Quebec, Belanger would be happy.

    They are going to be in tough to get forwards with limited free agents and other teams willing to open their wallets for them.

  140. OilClog says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    We send him in a basket and a note.. Please take care.

    We move on, we don’t need distractions from vets about their roles. Theyll be another that can win draws.

  141. CrazyCoach says:

    vishcosity: So while I am happy that JS is in Oiler blue, I sense that loophole needs to close quickly because fans here are few and far between, and losing any of them is going to hurt the sport long term.

    Run it by Don Fehr and ask what he thinks. I don’t know how you got Coffey involved in this discussion. He was traded out of Edmonton after coming to a stalemate on contract negotiations. Same with Andy Moog. Contract negotiations and sitting out is nothing new, nor is it exclusive to the NHL.

    As for fans being pissed over a players wish to play where they want to, they need to understand that things don’t always work out for your team. Now, I’ve had the heart ripped out of me as have many older Oilers fans when Gretzky and Co. were traded out of here for cents on the dollar, as were fans when Winnipeg and Quebec City left for the greener pastures of the higher US dollar. Winnipeg never asked for a loophole and all along Mark Chipman merely built an undeniably solid hockey franchise in a small market. Jets fans remained Jets fans for over 15 years while waiting for a team.

    If US fans want to get all in a huff over one RFA and decide not to cheer for their team, fine.

    The NHL has always been run by US interests since the creation of the league, and it has survived. I highly doubt if a couple fans leave, the league is in any trouble. $3 Billion in revenue is a good sum of money. You’d be surprised to know that over 40% of the league revenue comes from the Canadian teams. Bettman didn’t sell the game in the US. #99 had a lot to do with that, and Bettman did it at the expense of fans in Canada.

    And those Coyotes? If they sell out every game each season and get a minimum of 30 sold out concerts at Jobing.com Arena each year? They will still cost the taxpayers of Glendale money, and right now, the NHL.

  142. mattwatt says:

    I am struggling with fans who are angered with Schultz at how he made the decision of where to play. If any of us was in the same position, would we not want to control our own destiny?

    To me, Schultz made the logical choice. I don’t mean choosing the Oilers; that can be debated. I mean by listening to offers, going through the process and coming to a decision after some contemplation. We are so use to a team controlling a player’s destiny at a young age, and I don’t know if that is a good thing.

    I actually commend Schultz for what he did. Seems to have been done in a rational manner. If others are hurt because he is/was not theirs to have, so be it. He did the right thing in my mind, and that should be applauded as much as he the team he chose.

    It is like he went to university or something.

  143. Dominoiler says:

    Nice!,,
    Fuggin Rights..

  144. DSF says:

    Justin Shultz:: 3 Years U Wisc, 40G 113P

    Cap hit 3.75M

    Keith Ballard: 3 years U Minn, 33G 100P

    Cap hit $4.20M

    Could be worth watching.

  145. Dominoiler says:

    Dipstick:
    I think it came down to my idea of having Tikkanen phone him every hour until he agreed to sign with the Oil.You can hear the shakiness in his voice on the Dittrick interview.He was obviously shaken up and intimidated.Gretzky and Coffey, meh!

    Hahaha.. Awesome!..

  146. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    I’m sill in shock that Schultz is an Oiler! Just a tought here but what about two players like Latendresse and a “flyer on Armstrong? Both bring injuries and oth bring toughness and grit, both need to prove something.

    Just throwing that out there?

  147. vishcosity says:

    CrazyCoach,

    From what I recall, Coffey was going to go the free agent route, or at least, that is what the media said, and Puck unloaded him for what he could get. that is how I get him in the picture. Not sure if I had it right, but from what I remember, he was threatening this new thing called free agency and sat out until he got his way. Not fun for a young fan, welcome to a new world of sports driven by economics. And I too remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard that wayner was traded. Broke my heart just like the rest, but that was an owner’s decision, it wasn’t because wayne wanted out, again, iirc. The team didn’t get ripped by a loop hole in the CBA, the team got ripped by an owner trying to save a meat packing plant.

    “Bettman didn’t sell the game in the US.” Where do you get that idea? The reason the Jets left winnipeg is because the city wasn’t going to extend credit to build a building, they pulled a hard line as did Quebec city. Bettman didn’t want to saddle the team with a phoney bill, and played hardball with the town councils. From there, he definitely sold hockey in Phoenix, and LA, and tried in college football owned Atlanta. If you think he wasn’t in the business of selling the business, I wouldn’t have a clue where you get that. And before Wayne, there were Charlie Simmer, Dave Taylor, and Marcel Dionne. Hockey has been pitched for years in socal, and the hold is still tenuous at best.

    Basketball teams get 88M from tv, NFL gets 230M, per team, or something, from tv, without looking it up. Those are USD. Hockey isn’t even close. I think the whole league is getting about 80M from tv, but that doesn’t mean the money isn’t in the US, it just means that hockey has yet to access the available funds.

    And finally, taxpayers aren’t paying anything while HJR192 is in effect. Debt financing is just extension of credit and none of the lawyers on this thread will even begin to suggest that I’m wrong. Don’t worry one bit about the taxpayers in Phoenix, none of the debt is remotely real. The only thing real is the gate driven side of hockey, and I doubt that the league can afford to lose one state side cent of that.

  148. gogliano says:

    So anyone think it worth it to buy a Canucks jersey if I splash J. Schultz on the back? Too esoteric?

  149. vishcosity says:

    mattwatt,

    Ask

    mattwatt:
    I am struggling with fans who are angered with Schultz at how he made the decision of where to play. If any of us was in the same position, would we not want to control our own destiny?

    To me, Schultz made the logical choice. I don’t mean choosing the Oilers; that can be debated. I mean by listening to offers, going through the process and coming to a decision after some contemplation. We are so use to a team controlling a player’s destiny at a young age, and I don’t know if that is a good thing.

    I actually commend Schultz for what he did. Seems to have been done in a rational manner. If others are hurt because he is/was not theirs to have, so be it. He did the right thing in my mind, and that should be applauded as much as he the team he chose.

    It is like he went to university or something.

    Maybe we can just forgo the draft and let everyone sign in Toronto. Columbus as a town sucks anyway.

  150. CrazyCoach says:

    vishcosity: “Bettman didn’t sell the game in the US.” Where do you get that idea? The reason the Jets left winnipeg is because the city wasn’t going to extend credit to build a building, they pulled a hard line as did Quebec city. Bettman didn’t want to saddle the team with a phoney bill, and played hardball with the town councils. From there, he definitely sold hockey in Phoenix, and LA, and tried in college football owned Atlanta. If you think he wasn’t in the business of selling the business, I wouldn’t have a clue where you get that.

    I get it from the fact that Bettman seems to think hockey was created in 1992, and pays no heed to the history of the game. Atlanta was such a wise choice now wasn’t it? How about Tampa Bay and the Len Barrie fiasco? Bettman’s greatest strength as a salesman in selling the game is that he manages to find guys with deep pockets to save weak markets. That I will give him credit for.

    Where I take great exception to Bettman’s sell job is how he tries to screw long time fans in hopes of finding new fickle fans. The FOXTRAX puck, bad TV deals, NBA-style divisions, shootouts. Now granted hockey hasn’t had much change since the Patrick brothers made changes that forced the creation of the NHL, but the Patrick brothers at least had innovations that improved the game (changes on the fly, forward passes, etc.) and not turned it into a mockery. Bettman seems very willing to sell the soul of the game for the almighty dollar, and true fans don’t like that. Goodness, if it weren’t for the EIG, we might very well be watching the Houston Oilers.

    And as for player movement, the NHLPA seems fine with rules the way they are now, and until that changes, it is a world we all live in as fans. Teams have two years to sign a player when they draft him or he goes out as a RFA. If ANA cannot do that, then perhaps they need to evaluate their developmental system and find out where the weakness is. Nylander, Hossa, and Heatley come to mind when I think of the Oilers.

    And if your little wife is upset about the Schultz move, remind her that once upon a time, the Ducks took arguably one of the top players we had (legitimately I might add), and won the Stanley Cup the next season. Justin Schultz played within the rules set out before him, and did it in a manner that suited him best. Isn’t that what we all want at the end of the day? I like where I work now, but if the right deal comes along tomorrow, then that is the one I take. Those are the rules I play by and I don’t expect them to change for anyone regardless of how many more zeroes they have on their paycheques.

  151. Frelbo says:

    Maybe I’m wrong, but wasn’t Anaheim’s second round pick where they selected Shultz in 2008 one of the three picks we gave them for Penner?

    So for all our involvement with Penner, we are left with Klefbom, Teubert, and Justin Shultz. Not a bad return after all the initial drama.

  152. spoiler says:

    vishcosity:
    mattwatt,

    Ask

    Maybe we can just forgo the draft and let everyone sign in Toronto.Columbus as a town sucks anyway.

    What about contracts? I would say the Schultz signing balances out the CFP steal.

  153. spoiler says:

    spoiler: What about contracts? I would say the Schultz signing balances out the CFP steal.

    Sorry, didn’t see that stated above. Didn’t mean to pile on there.

  154. uni says:

    Frelbo: Maybe I’m wrong, but wasn’t Anaheim’s second round pick where they selected Shultz in 2008 one of the three picks we gave them for Penner?
    So for all our involvement with Penner, we are left with Klefbom, Teubert, and Justin Shultz. Not a bad return after all the initial drama.

    If we’re going to play this game we might as well do it right. Not quite so rosy when you include the 1st round pick compensation for the offer sheet, and then the 2nd round pick Edmonton traded to the Islanders (originally from Anaheim) to the Islanders to get their own 3rd round pick for the offer sheet.

    So following this rationalization, the Oilers gave up to get Penner in the first place Tyler Myers, and Travis Hamonic…and until recently Schultz as well before he went UFA and signed.

  155. Frelbo says:

    uni,

    That paints a clearer picture. Thanks, Uni. So rather than a “good” return I will say that acquiring Schultz makes for a “much less shitty return” than it appeared for the last few years.

  156. PaperDesigner says:

    uni: If we’re going to play this game we might as well do it right.Not quite so rosy when you include the 1st round pick compensation for the offer sheet, and then the 2nd round pick Edmonton traded to the Islanders (originally from Anaheim) to the Islanders to get their own 3rd round pick for the offer sheet.

    So following this rationalization, the Oilers gave up to get Penner in the first place Tyler Myers, and Travis Hamonic…and until recently Schultz as well before he went UFA and signed.

    See, this is what makes these trades so difficult to evaluate–do you do it by actual players picked, or the value of the picks, since it is very possible different players would have been picked at that spot anyway. Perhaps there is some alternate universe where the Oilers do a reach pick for Eberle at that spot, and someone else takes Myers. Maybe they take Teubert there, and we’re still talking about how he MIGHT be a second pairing guy at best. It’s never entirely fair to just go by the players picked when you deal that pick to another team, since you would have likely taken someone else there anyway.

    There was some really good value in that area, granted. Karlsson went soon after, and so did Gardiner. Wouldn’t particularly want Colborne, though. So they traded Penner for at least one very good first round player, a maybe in the second round (would they have identified Schultz as their guy?), as it’s too early to judge anyone as a miss at this point… maybe there will be other good players that pop up in that range… and a probable miss in the third round.

    Is that a fair trade for Penner? If we had a full five years of good play from him, probably. If we were signing him to an extension, more likely. But the way things have turned out works for me–they still need to fill his hole, but they were nowhere close to winning during the entirety of his contract, and they got… a very similiar return to the one they gave up in the first place. If I had a time machine, and the ability to warn the Oilers, would I interfere, and make them not give the offer sheet? Depends if I could tell them to choose between Myers and Karlsson, a little, and a little on how good Klefbom turns out to be. I will say as a fan, I miss watching Penner playing for my team. I appreciate guys who play a subtle, effective game.

    But I don’t think you can break it down into we traded Myers and Schultz and some third round dude for Penner, but Schultz doesn’t count because he didn’t sign! Because really, you don’t have much information about what this alternative universe would look like without knowing if they liked the wrong player at that spot (‘we think Teubert will be a #1 defenceman!’), or if, say, they liked Schultz best at that spot in the second, and would have gotten him or lost him. Best to go with generalities of what’s available in the range to gauge whether or not it was a good idea. And unless Klefbom is a fantastic player or a total bust, I think the picture is a little murky.

  157. Ryan says:

    ashley,

    Yeah. I’ve been banging on the Jokinin drum too. He faced the toughest qoc from Btn in the league last year. 4 bt Corsi qoc. Could be a bargain. Allows us to dangle Gagner or if the stars align one more time, amnesty the comrade.

  158. Ducey says:

    Frelbo:
    Maybe I’m wrong, but wasn’t Anaheim’s second round pick where they selected Shultz in 2008 one of the three picks we gave them for Penner?

    So for all our involvement with Penner, we are left with Klefbom, Teubert, and Justin Shultz.Not a bad return after all the initial drama.

    Schultz isn’t in any way part of the return for Penner. Daniil Zharkov is.

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