JASON ARNOTT?

Jason Arnott is 37 years old and one would imagine his goal is to sign with a contender. There must be a few NHL clubs at the top of the league who would be interested in a big body who can still score goals.

He didn’t play tough opposition or face difficult zone starts but there appears to be some more miles for Arnott. Would the Oilers have interest? He still takes a lot of faceoffs (50%) and he rolled out 6-8-14 on the PP and 11-9-20 at evens this past season.

Could the Oilers use him? He might clog up center but can also be used on the wing and should the team employ him in the middle then perhaps one of Gagner, Horcoff or Belanger could move to the wing.

He certainly could fill the mentor role and he’s that big body that the Edmonton Oilers feel they badly need for their skill lines.

I know, I know. Unrealistic. Still, nice to ponder.

 

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  1. Woodguy says:

    Will he be into it?

    Sorry, had to.

  2. LMHF#1 says:

    If we’d have swapped out some of the lower end bit pieces and older vets for Arnott, Penner and Doan, you would have people whining about that size thing anymore.

    Arnott would be a solid addition and right another wrong…I’ve been advocating we pick him up for years now to no avail.

  3. copperblueandwhite says:

    Woodguy,

    Good question WG…but as summer drags on and he has no contract things could change….Arnott would be a good addition if only for his size and experience….doubt it happens tho’….still no first pairing Dman…

  4. cdean says:

    From the looks of things I do not see the Oilers adding another forward unless one or two are taken away. They are hopefully adding a defenseman but hopefully they are doing a two/three for one trade. Probably a younger defenseman (peckham/tuebert/potter) and forward (Jones, Paajarvi, or another AHL prospect) and/or another prospect (Omark). This is the way the landscape looks for me, which goes from what has been passed down from media and what they have already done in signings.

    The forward system is a logjam of hopefuls but nothing established in the 13th or 14th role that can move up. Maybe this year will see a few AHL to NHL graduates… I am hoping for that. Don’t expect the Oilers to make any free agent signings unless you see some trades that cleans a little house. This can be said for both forward or defense.

  5. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    What worries me about something like this is the legacy signing trap… teams see an older master looking for one or two more cracks at the pinata and over pay and over term.

    one year no problem, though.

  6. russ99 says:

    I was hopeful that Smyth’s demands were going to be too high, and his contract used to bring in two quality younger third liners via FA. But that didn’t exactly work out.

    What really does Arnott add at this point? We still need quality third liners, not a “good memories” line…

    As much as I rail against Horcoff, he’s a vastly better option than a 37 year old Arnott.

  7. Clay says:

    I think Horcoff-Arnott is better than Horcoff-Belanger for your bottom two centres, and I think I’d rather have Arnott on the PP for faceoffs/net presence than Horcoff.

    The problem is, what do you do with Belanger? I don’t think he’s tradeable, and he’s wasted on the wing. Same goes for Horcoff.

    There’d have to be a trade to clear out the forward log jam, otherwise it’s hard to see a fit.

  8. Rondo says:

    Personally Jason was an overrated player in Edmonton, but he did get better after he left.

    I see no point in acquiring him. The strategy should be building a core. A 39 yr old center is not my idea of progress,

  9. raventalon40 says:

    russ99:
    I was hopeful that Smyth’s demands were going to be too high, and his contract used to bring in two quality younger third liners via FA. But that didn’t exactly work out.

    What really does Arnott add at this point? We still need quality third liners, not a “good memories” line…

    Here I was hoping that they’d bring back Todd Marchant, Mike Grier and Georges Laraque.

  10. Ducey says:

    Eklund has been pushing/starting the rumor that the Oilers will sign Arnott. The idea is that they will then trade Gagner for help on D.

    Of course, he is right about 3% of the time on his rumors.

  11. Beaker says:

    What’s the point in signing Arnott? He’s not 2C material anymore even though he is a big body. If we are bringing in any forwards it is in bottom 6 two way and tough (and effective) wingers or through trade in the C position because they have traded Gags out for D.

    Arnott does not answer any of the question marks we have here.

  12. bookje says:

    Rondo:
    PersonallyJason was an overrated player in Edmonton, but he did get better after he left.

    That is totally true other than him being overrated and getting better after leaving Edmonton.

  13. LMHF#1 says:

    Have any of you guys knocking Arnott watched him play lately or do you just enjoy complaining every time a player who used to play here is mentioned as a possible pickup?

  14. Moosemess says:

    Mentor role? Are Yak and the Nuge needing tips on how to impregnate the Octane Girls?

  15. bookje says:

    Moosemess:
    Mentor role? Are Yak and the Nuge needing tips on how to impregnate the Octane Girls?

    What confuses me is that if you are 13 years old (and you must be), how do you remember Arnott’s history? Yes, Jason Arnott had a child with someone he was not married to or in a serious relationship. This happened when he was quite young. He is probably not the first person to do this. It is irrelevant when it comes to discussing him as a hockey player.

  16. jimbones100 says:

    Moosemess:
    Mentor role? Are Yak and the Nuge needing tips on how to impregnate the Octane Girls?

    Exactly.

  17. LMHF#1 says:

    jimbones100: Exactly.

    You’re not being serious?

    Unbelievable…

  18. Moosemess says:

    LMHF#1: You’re not being serious?

    Unbelievable…

    Are you familiar with the circumstances contributing to Arnott’s previous departure from the Oil?

    He impregnated a young teenage girl and only admitted responsibility upon threat of a paternity suit. Not exactly a person we should be extolling as potential leadership material.

  19. Moosemess says:

    bookje: What confuses me is that if you are 13 years old (and you must be), how do you remember Arnott’s history?Yes, Jason Arnott had a child with someone he was not married to or in a serious relationship.This happened when he was quite young.He is probably not the first person to do this.It is irrelevant when it comes to discussing him as a hockey player.

    It wasn’t the mistake he made as much as the lack of character evidenced by how he reacted to it.

    LT cited mentorship as one of the attributes he’d bring to the table and I’m questioning that attribute specifically, which is germane to the discussion of him as a hockey player.

  20. rich says:

    I don’t dislike Arnott, but if you’re going to get a mentor for the young guys, at least get someone who’s willing to use his size to his advantage. His last few years in Nashville, the overwhelming complaint was he was a power forward who played like a small forward. Never wanted to hit anyone because he was getting too old.

    No thanks.

  21. LMHF#1 says:

    Moosemess: Are you familiar with the circumstances contributing to Arnott’s previous departure from the Oil?

    He impregnated a young teenage girl and only admitted responsibility upon threat of a paternity suit. Not exactly a person we should be extolling as potential leadership material.

    Are you familiar with the fact that many people learn from questionable decisions, or familar with the path of Arnott’s career since then?

    Bringing this up as an actual concern this many years and a successful career later is asinine. Though I now understand more fully why the Joneses and Spectors of the world have jobs helping to sabotage the teams they cover for a living.

  22. Traktor says:

    I would sign him but only for 1 year.

    Play Arnott with Smyth and then move Horcoff down a line to play with Belanger.

  23. Bob Arctor says:

    Moosemess:
    Mentor role? Are Yak and the Nuge needing tips on how to impregnate the Octane Girls?

    jimbones100: Exactly.

    In Edmonton we only like good ole boy crimes like DUI and vehicular manslaughter.
    You guys are f*#cking ridiculous!

  24. rickithebear says:

    Arnott faced 4th Comp. in a greater than 60% zone start.
    Great lets steal Offensive zone starts from the kids and give it to the new guy instead of Horcoff/Belanger.

    his GF% was not much better than Belanger with Eager and Bel with MP. lets sign a guy to 3M, 1.4M less than a fourth line of MP-BEL-Eager.

    Arnott is not in the top 120 centers for PK.
    Lets get rid of top 10 1st unit Center.

    Bad! Just brutally bad Idea!

  25. Dipstick says:

    Unless someone can provide some evidence of further character deficiencies after Arnott left the Oil, his poor choices 15(?) years ago should be put aside. Craig MacTavish had issues as a young man and has become nothing but a role model since. That being said, acquiring Arnott would not be a good hockey move.

  26. Ducey says:

    Moosemess: Are you familiar with the circumstances contributing to Arnott’s previous departure from the Oil? He impregnated a young teenage girl and only admitted responsibility upon threat of a paternity suit. Not exactly a person we should be extolling as potential leadership material.

    So now 15+ years later, is he more likely to advise Nail:

    a) I knocked up this teenage girl, had a kid at a young age, had a paternity suit, it was great. You should do the same Nail; or

    b) Nail, you need to understand you are a celebrity, you are going to have girls after you, you need to watch out that you don’t get some girl you hardly know pregnant.

    In any event, I’d rather keep Gagner, find a tough, tough minutes winger for the 3rd line and keep Hemsky in the top 6.

    This year for Sam is the same year (his 5th) that Dave Gagner really emerged as a player (78 pts in 75 games – although it was not the current dead ball era Sam plays in). Hopefully his son follows suit.

  27. Moosemess says:

    LMHF#1: Are you familiar with the fact that many people learn from questionable decisions, or familar with the path of Arnott’s career since then?

    Bringing this up as an actual concern this many years and a successful career later is asinine. Though I now understand more fully why the Joneses and Spectors of the world have jobs helping to sabotage the teams they cover for a living.

    Would you bring in a former deadbeat dad to mentor your staff on fiscal responsibility?

    I’m all for considering Arnott’s hockey skills on their own merit. Personally, I don’t think he fits the blueprint of the rebuild. But LT wasn’t postulating on his hockey skills alone. He specifically brought up Arnott’s potential as a mentor. You have absolutely zero evidence to support this speculation that he’s learned anything from that past experience, just as I have zero evidence that he hasn’t. In the absence of evidence to the contrary then, it is entirely reasonable to speculate on his suitability as a mentor given the historic track record.

    Absolutely people can evolve and change for the better, but I think it’s worth emphasizing the complete absence of character evidenced in that particular situation. He didn’t just get a girl pregnant and panic. He tried to ignore the entire situation despite the fact that he had more than sufficient wherewithal to take care of the mother and child in question. As the father of two teenaged boys, who’s had more than one conversation on the magnitude of such actions, this strikes me as more than the ‘mistakes of youth’ and rather indicates evidence of a very selfish, entitled person. I would hope for Arnott’s own sake that he has changed for the better.

  28. Beaker says:

    Whats wrong with getting the young ones to start sprouting spawn all over Yeg? This is essential in the plan when trying to convince them all to sign long term contracts with severe hometown discounts. Our young men are men of honour and principle! (Except Yakapov, if he gets on girl preggers hes got 2 more non-pregger ones waiting for him elsewhere))))))))))))$$))))

    GET IT DONE*

    *Thats what she said

  29. Clarkenstein says:

    LT, the dog days of summer heat must be getting to you if you are pondering for even a moment that this slug would be a “mentor” for this team. May I respectfully suggest you pull out the Thesaurus and look up “mentor”? It would not mention this guy who has become nothing but a “hockey whore” over the past few seasons… playing for whomever gives him the most dough!! Just my opinion.

  30. Beaker says:

    Clarkenstein:
    LT, the dog days of summer heat must be getting to you if you are pondering for even a moment that this slug would be a “mentor” for this team.May I respectfully suggest you pull out the Thesaurus and look up “mentor”? It would not mention this guy who has become nothing but a “hockey whore” over the past few seasons… playing for whomever gives him the most dough!!Just my opinion.

    You’re seriously going to slag the guy for going to where he is paid the most? Wow.

  31. Ducey says:

    Wow. You mention Jason Arnott and this place turns into an HF board.

  32. commonfan14 says:

    Please tell me that other people remember this and I didn’t just imagine it as a kid…

    I have a vivid memory of an Oilers promotional commercial in the mid-90s, I think for ITV, that came out just before the season and had one of the players (Weight maybe?) filmed in black and white with weird camera angles saying stuff like, “You’re not going to believe how much bigger he looks this year” and “Arnie’s just huge – a Terminator.” while it cut to shots of someone in a biker outfit walking down a hall and ominous music played. Then it ended to a shot of Arnott with a Schwartzenegger haircut/shades combo saying with a blank expression and in his best Austrian accent, “I’ll be back.”

    It was incredibly ridiculous at the time, and I think I would soil myself if I ever found it on YouTube today.

  33. ed says:

    DIdn’t follow the oilers in the arnott days so thanks to everyone for providing a glimpse of what it must have been like.

  34. Moosemess says:

    Arnott was a pariah when he left town. Frankly I’m amazed that LT would even speculate upon his return, but if the Oil took back Mike Comrie, I guess anything’s possible.

    Hey, maybe the Flyers are looking to dump Pronger and we can pick him up on the cheap? We do need a Top 4 D Man.

  35. bendelson says:

    NO to J. Arnott. I find the suggestion offensive from a pure hockey standpoint. Belanger and Horcoff have the role of underachieving, over-the-hill, veterans playing out contracts. I don’t see the need for a third at the centre position.

    Size be damned, Gagner is a better hockey player today with far more invested in the organization/city than a rental will have…

    In regards to Arnott’s character now vs 15 years ago and whether he has overcome certain flaws – I’ll leave that discussion to all you character evaluation experts on this thread.

  36. remember reijo says:

    commonfan14,

    Thank You for that…I have the same hazy memory of it.

  37. Moosemess says:

    For those of you claiming the moral ground (i.e. I’m above this sort of thing), it’s probably worth pointing out that you’re acting just as righteous in judging your fellow posters as they are in judging Arnott’s past indiscretions.

    Bottom line, some people think athletes/people in the public eye should be expected to act as role models and some do not. It’s a difference of opinion. Neither camp owns the moral high ground.

    What those of you extolling these “let bygones be bygones” platitudes seemingly forget is that there could conceivably be two people still living in Edmonton that were and are affected by Arnott’s past actions. Should those people have to relive the embarrassment of that situation all over again, so that the Oil can fill a roster spot with a fading mercenary?

    The Oil would do well to remember why they sent this player away in the first place and not compound the error by reopening old wounds. Hard to believe I know, but there are some things in life more important than hockey.

  38. Kris11 says:

    He’s not a good role model now as a hockey player and professional, at the age of 37, for something he did over 15 years ago?

    ???

    This is dumb. Let’s have a big kids discussion and hope moosemess pisses off forever.

  39. pboy says:

    This thread has gone way off the rails……..

  40. nathan says:

    “LT – never mind what Toronto folks call cottage country, the Muskokas, its beautiful but packed cheek to cheek with people. You want to head north of Parry Sound, to my neck of the woods or the North Shore of Lake Huron or along Lake Superior around Agawa”. (OT, from the last thread)

    Lowetide,
    blackdog,
    Woodguy,

    BD is right. No need to go past Bobby Orr country unless you like escaping to where all of Tranna escapes. And the North Shore as far as Agawa is plenty enough too.

    And listen to WG too. When RK says cottage country that’s Winnipeg style, not Toronto style. Lake of the Woods is special. RK;s place is near Kenora which is about 200 klics from Winnipeg and 1000 from Saskatoon. .

  41. Beaker says:

    pboy,

    That can happen on a hockey blog? Who knew…

  42. OilClog says:

    Arnott as a Oiler again.. I wouldn’t be against it, as I personally would rather see Belanger on the outs. If you’re going to complain about your role when you weren’t producing and talk about how
    You’d like to play for another organization.. Even if it is the Habs.. while you’re still a member of the Oilers. GTFO of town.

    Arnott shouldn’t be judge for 15yrs ago and his personal life matters. The old school Oiler media always has and always will be garbage in my view. They cost the team much more then they help, always seems like they have their pitchforks ready to go.. It was Frustrating growing up as a kid trying to be fan, claiming hockey is all that matters while turnin it into daytime soaps.

    As a professional hockey player that has won two cups and been to the top of the mountain, that is a player that would be very useful to a young team with no real NHL success.. Khabby isn’t ring experience this team can learn from.

  43. remember reijo says:

    Moosemess,

    Im way too old for your internet high ground and soap box speeches. Im sorry, I just come here for hockey. Brownlee needs to moderate in here too it seems.

    Arnott is a terrible option, sunglasses and Terminator commercial be damned. If he wasnt 6’5 we wouldnt even be thinking about him.

  44. Cactus says:

    I do not understand why this is even a conversation. There’s simply no value to Arnott on the Oilers. He’s an old man who is heading downhill fast and would take the slot of a more useful player like Belanger or one of our young wingers.

    The guy had a Offensive Zone Start of 60.3%! For reference, that’s almost identical to Eberle, for those looking for an Oilers comparable. His Off Zone Finish was only 51.5%

    Lest anyone think he was somehow playing the toughs with a good o-zone start, he wasn’t. Here’s his QualComp rankings (among forwards, >20 games): 10th in CorsiQoC, 11th in CorsiRel QoC.

    While he had a positive Corsi Rel (3.9), that’s not saying anything given his zonestart and QoC.

    This seems much more like a bad joke than a debate to me.

  45. Kris11 says:

    It’s like saying Mactavish can’t be a respectablle now and a leader now because of his past.

  46. Kris11 says:

    Arnott could play the wing, too.

  47. Moosemess says:

    Kris11:
    It’s like saying Mactavish can’t be a respectablle now and a leader now because of his past.

    Actually it’s nothing like that. MacT committed a crime, faced the music for his actions, and paid his debt to society while expressing substantial contrition to the victims involved. Arnott evaded responsibility for his actions until a paternity suit forced him to do the right thing.

    Saying the two things are the same makes light of the admirable way in which MacTavish conducted himself after that tragedy occurred.

    You seem to lack some basic understanding of what constitutes personal integrity. Maybe you should stick to the ‘big kid’ conversations and stay on the sideline when the adults are talking.

  48. Dalton says:

    MacTavish was still young when he moved to the Oilers right after he was released from jail, and that constituted his hard-earned fresh start. Arnott is 37, about to retire, it’s too late for a fresh start for him in Edmonton, lol.

    Anyways, let’s try not to focus on the illegitimate child issue; Arnott is an old useless player and we need young useful players.

    Next year, people are going to look back at this thread and laugh, because Hartikainen is going to knock all of our socks off.

  49. WeridAl says:

    St Louis didn’t resign him, why would Edmonton would want him, this is almost as bad a George Laraque wanting to come back. It’s painful enough to watch Ryan Smith skate, but Jason Arnott. Someone should learn to take Richard Cloutier and the HockeyBuzz for what it is and that is a load of horseshit.

  50. bookje says:

    Clarkenstein:
    LT, the dog days of summer heat must be getting to you if you are pondering for even a moment that this slug would be a “mentor” for this team.May I respectfully suggest you pull out the Thesaurus and look up “mentor”? It would not mention this guy who has become nothing but a “hockey whore” over the past few seasons… playing for whomever gives him the most dough!!Just my opinion.

    Yes, because most players don’t sign contracts for money?

  51. Rocknrolla says:

    First time post, gotta say some of the most intelligent and entertaining blog entries and comments I have ever read. Great to be a part of it, and a tip of my hat to Lowetide for his tireless work bringing joy to us all.

    Regarding Arnott, scandals aside, can you imagine what the 90′s and early 2000′s would have looked like if we actually drafted Doan, kept Arnott, and played them with Smyth. That line would have been pretty fun to watch during some of the “dry” times. Says a lot about drafting well and keeping your talent. Throw in keeping Doug weight around and we would have had a lot more wins back then.

    I like the idea of bringing Arnott back, as Mr. Comrie and Smitty have shown, you can always come home.

  52. Jesse says:

    Moosemess: Actually it’s nothing like that. MacT committed a crime, faced the music for his actions, and paid his debt to society while expressing substantial contrition to the victims involved. Arnott evaded responsibility for his actions until a paternity suit forced him to do the right thing.

    Saying the two things are the same makes light of the admirable way in which MacTavish conducted himself after that tragedy occurred.

    You seem to lack some basic understanding of what constitutes personal integrity. Maybe you should stick to the ‘big kid’ conversations and stay on the sideline when the adults are talking.

    I’m sorry man, but you have no idea how Arnott has changed since that time. He obviously made some mistakes, but to even judge those mistakes without being personally connected to the people involved and knowing exactly what happened is very presumptuous. Assuming the worst case scenario, he still could have matured and become a fine respectable individual that you’d love your young players to take after. Just because his good qualities arent as publicized as the charitable works of MacT doesn’t mean that Arnott doesn’t have any good qualities whatsoever. I really don’t understand how you can claim to know the make up of his character.

  53. Moosemess says:

    Moosemess: Would you bring in a former deadbeat dad to mentor your staff on fiscal responsibility?

    I’m all for considering Arnott’s hockey skills on their own merit. Personally, I don’t think he fits the blueprint of the rebuild. But LT wasn’t postulating on his hockey skills alone. He specifically brought up Arnott’s potential as a mentor. You have absolutely zero evidence to support this speculation that he’s learned anything from that past experience, just as I have zero evidence that he hasn’t. In the absence of evidence to the contrary then, it is entirely reasonable to speculate on his suitability as a mentor given the historic track record.

    Absolutely people can evolve and change for the better, but I think it’s worth emphasizing the complete absence of character evidenced in that particular situation. He didn’t just get a girl pregnant and panic. He tried to ignore the entire situation despite the fact that he had more than sufficient wherewithal to take care of the mother and child in question. As the father of two teenaged boys, who’s had more than one conversation on the magnitude of such actions, this strikes me as more than the ‘mistakes of youth’ and rather indicates evidence of a very selfish, entitled person. I would hope for Arnott’s own sake that he has changed for the better.

    Jesse: I’m sorry man, but you have no idea how Arnott has changed since that time. He obviously made some mistakes, but to even judge those mistakes without being personally connected to the people involved and knowing exactly what happened is very presumptuous. Assuming the worst case scenario, he still could have matured and become a fine respectable individual that you’d love your young players to take after. Just because his good qualities arent as publicized as the charitable works of MacT doesn’t mean that Arnott doesn’t have any good qualities whatsoever. I really don’t understand how you can claim to know the make up of his character.

    Read what I wrote Jesse before you start putting words in my mouth.

    I’ll reiterate the points I’ve made in brief:

    1) As a hockey personnel decision, considering Arnott as a fit for rebuild blueprint is a complete waste of time.
    2) Arnott may or may not be a shining citizen now. No one knows this for a fact. In other words, you could be bringing back a reformed citizen. You could also be bringing back the same selfish individual that was drummed out of town. Both possibilities have to be considered rather than naively assuming everyone changes for the better.
    3) If bringing Arnott back offers negligible value to the hockey team, but offers considerable risk in terms of PR fallout and public embarrassment to those he wronged previously, why do it?

  54. VOR says:

    I think we’ve wandered into the land of talking stuffed animals.

    We have let Moosemess spin us all a line of BS that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

    He says it was a young teenage girl, how young, nobody bothers to ask. He says it was why Arnott was run out of town but has no proof, and nobody aks for any. The person who spread this same horseshit on ON said they met in a bar, so how young was she? Where is Moosemess’ proof this entire thing even happened.

    But lets say it happened. Is there some allegation the sex wasn’t consensual? No. That she was underage? No. That there is this terrible PR shit storm waiting? No. (By the way, see Messier, Mark).

    So all Arnott did that someone might say showed a lack of character was say how do I know its mine? and force her to jump through hurdles to prove it. That is all most certainly what his advisors recommended and is pretty typical advice to pro athletes in this situation.

    Having sex with a consenting and legal partner is not a character defect unless your some sort of psycho prude moron who can’t get any action. Getting pregnant isn’t a character defect, it may show bad planning but it is basic human biology. Denying paternity may be a wise decision, puck bunnies anyone. Knowing your the father of the child and not doing anything would be a character defect, but that is not what is alleged in the earlier post. Just the nebulous charge (unsupported by documentation) that Arnott had to be sued into doing the right thing, not that he didn’t do the right thing. We know, as Jesse said, fuck all about whether this is true or not or what it amy or may not say about Arnott’s character and it is simply preposterous to suggest their is a PR storm waiting to happen if he comes back here.

    In summary, there is a character problem here but it lies entirely between Moosemess’ ears.

  55. Jesse says:

    Maybe I’ll just quote you directly then.

    Moosemess: Would you bring in a former deadbeat dad to mentor your staff on fiscal responsibility?

    I’m all for considering Arnott’s hockey skills on their own merit. Personally, I don’t think he fits the blueprint of the rebuild. But LT wasn’t postulating on his hockey skills alone. He specifically brought up Arnott’s potential as a mentor. You have absolutely zero evidence to support this speculation that he’s learned anything from that past experience, just as I have zero evidence that he hasn’t. In the absence of evidence to the contrary then, it is entirely reasonable to speculate on his suitability as a mentor given the historic track record.

    Absolutely people can evolve and change for the better, but I think it’s worth emphasizing the complete absence of character evidenced in that particular situation. He didn’t just get a girl pregnant and panic. He tried to ignore the entire situation despite the fact that he had more than sufficient wherewithal to take care of the mother and child in question. As the father of two teenaged boys, who’s had more than one conversation on the magnitude of such actions, this strikes me as more than the ‘mistakes of youth’ and rather indicates evidence of a very selfish, entitled person. I would hope for Arnott’s own sake that he has changed for the better.

    I think the very fact that you claim to know enough information to make a call on his character is presumptuous. You can’t make a judgement call on his character unless you were personally involved in the situation.

  56. Ducey says:

    Moosemess,

    I don’t think reiterate means what you think it means.

    Your latest iteratation is much more reasonable that your earlier ones.

  57. VOR says:

    I’m thinking Moosemess = DSF

  58. bendelson says:

    VOR,

    I’m thinking DSF may not have deserved that.

    (Bendelson has heat stroke and requires immediate medical attention).

  59. Gret99zky says:

    Doan and Colaiacovo for one year sounds better than Arnott.

  60. Moosemess says:

    “…if only the media hadn’t reported on all the wrong things he’d said or, heaven forbid, that little paternity suit he was forced to settle.”

    VOR, where did the article state the Sather was the source for the reports that Arnott was forced to settle?

    The media becomes aware of these facts because court judgments often do land in the public domain.

    Arnott was ‘forced’ to settle the paternity suit. That was widely reported at the time and some of that reportage still exists on the net for those inclined to look for it. I’m not doing anyone’s homework for them because I personally don’t care if you believe it or not.

    I totally get it if you choose to ignore this single damning fact because it’s not convenient to your argument, but everything I’ve said about the lad is predicated on that one single fact.

    If someone can provide evidence to the contrary that Arnott didn’t try to evade his responsibility to the mother and child initially, I’ll happily retract my comments.

    The reality is it’s a small city. Cocoa did coke, hence the nickname. Messier smashed up his porsche and fled the scene cos he was pissed. Dave Hunter got pulled over by the cops while getting a bj.

    Any Oil fan who’s been around a while knows what the lads on the local hockey team get up to, and for the most part we’re willing to turn a blind eye. With Arnott however, the fans didn’t turn a blind eye and that’s noteworthy. In a city that will let hockey players get away with almost anything short of murder, Arnott was judged based on a single piece of damning evidence and found lacking. As Sather’s comments confirm, he was essentially forced to trade Arnott over public sentiment.

    Is that fair? Probably not? But it’s probably not fair either having to drag a rich hockey player into court because he doesn’t want to pay for diapers.

  61. jimbones100 says:

    Moosemess,

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Past history doesn’t and shouldn’t be used as the sole indicator of future behavour but I agree with you that it should not be ignored either. I hope and believe that Arnott is a good person. My concern with bringing him in was more about how would the situation that drove him out of town years ago affect his return? I’m not sure if he maintains any relationship with his child and his/her mother but that would certainly either positively or negatively affect his comfort level returning to Edmonton. My immediate reaction when reading the suggestion to bring him back was knowing there is the potential for these past issues to become a issue for fans, media and Jason himself. As the GM of the Oilers I would be weary of bringing back a Oiler who left on those terms (very similiar to the Pronger scenario).

  62. "Steve Smith" says:

    Dammit, LT, you deleted one of Moosemess’s posts before I had the chance to make an ill-advised but bitingly clever response to it.

  63. Moosemess says:

    Thanks Jimbones100. Appreciate the comment/support.

    I was definitely reconsidering the adage that no man is an island. lol

  64. VOR says:

    So Moosemess, what you are saying is you have absolutely no first hand knowledge of any aspect of Arnott’s character? That you are just slinging some old shit you might have read somewhere once upon a time? You actually don’t know anything do you? Your answer to my asking for proof is to say its out there somewhere but you are too lazy to look for it? In other words you really believe that you can slander a man’s reputation but defend your inability to offer a shred of proof in support of your slander by saying, “the prove is out there but I am too lazy to find it?”

    Bendelson, you are right, I owe poor hopeless DSF an apology.

  65. VOR says:

    I also dig how neatly he made it my job to prove his moronic fantasies aren’t true. Classic conspiracy nut argument #1. He can’t prove any of it ever happened and now it is my job to disprove his contentional about how the imaginary event went down.

  66. LMHF#1 says:

    You’d take a healthy Pronger back in a heartbeat and run away from the deal laughing. That man almost (and should have) won us a Stanley in only one year of duty. More than anyone’s done for us for a long time before or since.

  67. Moosemess says:

    I already sent you a link VOR and you failed with basic reading comprehension to parse it.

    Again, you’re fully entitled to your own opinions on this. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me. Athletes as role models is always a contentious topic as everyone has their own moral compass and opinions on what’s right and wrong.

  68. Jesse says:

    Moosemess:
    The reality is it’s a small city. Cocoa did coke, hence the nickname. Messier smashed up his porsche and fled the scene cos he was pissed. Dave Hunter got pulled over by the cops while getting a bj.

    Any Oil fan who’s been around a while knows what the lads on the local hockey team get up to, and for the most part we’re willing to turn a blind eye. With Arnott however, the fans didn’t turn a blind eye and that’s noteworthy. In a city that will let hockey players get away with almost anything short of murder, Arnott was judged based on a single piece of damning evidence and found lacking. As Sather’s comments confirm, he was essentially forced to trade Arnott over public sentiment.

    I think that playing the game “Telephone” would give you a different perspective on the relationship between “fact” and “hearsay”. The former is informative, and the latter can condemn a decent person to a reputation of being pigeon holed as something they’re not.

    And for crying ou loud. If we all believed what the MSM spouted to catch people’s eyes we’d all think that Hemsky had bad body language.

  69. jb says:

    One denies responsibility and demands a paternity test for only one simple reason… he finds out the chick he knocked up is a whore.

    Who chases hockey players? Gold digging puck bunny whores do.

  70. Nessler37 says:

    Arnott took responsibility for his actions. This is a total non factor.

    http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1996/Names-In-The-Game/id-33ae9294e5b47e399f5b19fb260428df

  71. VOR says:

    Moosemess,

    Parse this,

    You made statements about how Jason Arnott behaved while in Edmonton. I asked for prove of your allegations. It has become apparent you have none. You made it up. I can live with that.

    It has nothing to do with players as role models. You know that. It has to do with you saying bad things you can’t substantiate.

  72. Gret99zky says:

    Hey LT,

    I’m thinking maybe a UFA Sean Avery post tomorrow.

    ;)

  73. Moosemess says:

    VOR, the Globe Mail wrote a story saying Arnott was forced to settle a paternity suit, as did many other media outlets. I didn’t make this up.

    As I clearly stated, my opinions on this player were predicated solely on that fact. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, have at it. Otherwise, you’re the literal equivalent of one hand clapping.

  74. Moosemess says:

    Gret99zky:
    Hey LT,

    I’m thinking maybe a UFA Sean Avery post tomorrow.

    That is funny.

  75. Moosemess says:

    http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1996/Names-In-The-Game/id-33ae9294e5b47e399f5b19fb260428df

    Yeah, that sounds nothing like a guy that was ‘forced’ to settle : ) I’m sure it would be all sunshine wishes and caviar kisses when he comes back to town.

  76. bendelson says:

    JB

    It is very disappointing to read a post like that on a site like this.
    You can do better.

  77. "Steve Smith" says:

    bendelson,

    Fuck you, Bendelson.

    Er, sorry, force of habit; I meant to say that I had exactly the same reaction on reading JB’s post, and to commend you for calling him* on it.

    * I feel fairly comfortable assuming that JB’s male.

  78. Kris11 says:

    Go away JB and Moosemess.

    Please go away and never come back.

  79. commonfan14 says:

    bendelson: JB
    It is very disappointing to read a post like that on a site like this.
    You can do better.

    Yeah – back to the go-kart track, Bonsignore!

  80. Moosemess says:

    Kris11:
    Go away JB and Moosemess.

    Please go away and never come back.

    Do you find praying to the Internet Fairy to be an effective tactic when someone doesn’t share your opinion?

  81. "Steve Smith" says:

    Moosemess,

    The opinion in question being that internet pseudonyms shouldn’t go around smearing public figures without an evidentiary basis?

  82. Lowetide says:

    Hey guys, what about Jason Arnott? I think he’d be good!

  83. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide:
    Hey guys, what about Jason Arnott? I think he’d be good!

    …at eating babies!

  84. VOR says:

    Baked, boiled or fried!

  85. Jesse says:

    “Steve Smith”: …at eating babies!

    If this pub-like-atmosphere-based-discussion ever makes it to a real pub, I owe you a beer. The number of times you’ve made me laugh must add up in some way to a pint.

  86. Moosemess says:

    A patient goes to see a surgeon about having a heart transplant. The surgeon says: “I’ll give you a choice: you can either have the heart of 25-year-old marathon runner or a 60-year-old lawyer. Which do you want?” The patient answers, “Easy – let me have the lawyer’s.” The surgeon, dumbfounded, says, “Why would you pick the heart of a 60-year-old lawyer over a 25-year-old marathon runner?” The patient replies, “I want one that’s never been used.”

  87. Lowetide says:

    The best lawyer jokes are the ones lawyers tell. It’s true. Years ago, when I was a young man I mc’d this charity dinner and it was all lawyers. I wasn’t exactly burning down the house with my jokes, so during a break (it was a black tie bingo) one of the lawyers came over and told me a couple of absolute killer jokes.

    I was a little hesitant to tell them–in front of lawyers–but they laughed and laughed and before the end of the night they gave me a ton of them.

    Pretty funny bunch.

  88. vishcosity says:

    Sadly for me, I have no idea how Jason Arnott met anyone in Edmonton ever, I have no idea what he offered to anyone after said paternity report, I have no idea how mom in question responded to an initial offer I presume he likely made. I certainly haven’t read the affidavits, and I don’t know what was said in court. So after reading that 37 000 people follow this thread, I’m definitely going to work at not soiling this thread by speculating on rumours that I can’t begin to verify. I feel I owe at least that to Lowetide.

    I did like watching Arnott play in Nashville and thought he was very outstanding in a certain playoff series against Dallas. If he does still have something to offer I wouldn’t be surprised, and for all I know he may want an opportunity to build a relationship with one or two Edmontonians, who may still live in said town, and thus he may provide an aforementioned value contract. I think it may be a really great opportunity for everyone involved and if it works out I would cheer for him the minute he set foot on the ice.

    If the professional evaluators think he could contribute, I’m sure they know more than me. Ray Whitney and Jaromir Jagr still seem to have pro hockey skills at age 40+, certainly its possible that Arnott might as well. A guy who plays centre and wing, who may come in humble and cheap, and who could offer some personal wisdom to a bunch of young bucks seems like a reasonable thing to consider at least.

    And while I feel the last 20 minutes of my life were generally wasted, that Avery comment absolutely made me laugh out loud.

  89. art vandelay says:

    Though I now understand more fully why the Joneses and Spectors of the world have jobs helping to sabotage the teams they cover for a living.

    So now it’s the media’s fault the Oilers have sucked donkey balls for 20 years?

  90. "Steve Smith" says:

    Hi Art!

  91. DSF says:

    Lowetide:
    The best lawyer jokes are the ones lawyers tell. It’s true. Years ago, when I was a young man I mc’d this charity dinner and it was all lawyers. I wasn’t exactly burning down the house with my jokes, so during a break (it was a black tie bingo) one of the lawyers came over and told me a couple of absolute killer jokes.

    I was a little hesitant to tell them–in front of lawyers–but they laughed and laughed and before the end of the night they gave me a ton of them.

    Pretty funny bunch.

    Gallows humor.

  92. DSF says:

    VOR:
    I’m thinking Moosemess = DSF

    Whoa….

  93. Giant Squid Overlord says:

    OK, Rarely do I comment here or anywhere, but do read this and other blogs daily and religiously since the HF boards days when Lowetide was nothing more than a thoughtful poster. But this whole character debate and banter has brought me all the way from the scroll bar to the alphabet keys because, believe it or not (do what you like), I was dating the best friend of the “teen-aged partner” of Arnott for some time shortly after the child was born.

    Facts as I know them:
    - she was 19 (Edmonton media did sensationalize the “teenager” aspect)
    - she was not a “puck bunny”, and those who make that assumption are being judgmental IMO, yet neither was a relationship involved. Simply a pregnancy resulting from youthful passion.
    - Arnott did deny any involvement or responsibility until legally pressured to address it.
    - At least up until early in the child’s life Arnott had no interaction beyond his (considerable) financial obligation (I lost touch after breaking up with the girlfriend).

    I met Arnott once with a totally separate group of people and his conduct toward women was clearly disrespectful and selfish.

    That being said, it has been a long time and I hope his maturation has reversed some of the character deficiencies I witnessed (both first and second-hand). I’m much less selfish now as a husband and father than I was as an early twenties boyfriend, and I can only assume Arnott is as well. Regardless, I still consider myself too biased when it comes to him, and would dread having him on my beloved Oil.

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