OILERS IN FREE AGENCY

The Edmonton Oilers are looking very good one week into the free agent window, but work remains. How much the management group gets done before fall will be a “tell” about where this next season is going in terms of wins and losses.

The original free agent target list is here, Edmonton struck with numbers 1 and 4. Here’s a reset.

  1. F Daniel Winnik The Smyth signing might make his addition impossible, but if the Oilers decide to throw Hemsky on LW then a de facto shutdown line of Horcoff-Smyth-Winnik might be invaluable. Let the kids fight it out for 4line duty and flush the extra veterans.
  2. D Michal Roszsival: Can play 20+ minutes a night and does play quite a bit on the PK. Should Edmonton add him Roszival could serve as a legit top 4. He is not good Whitney insurance, as he’s a defensive defender and is part of the Smid-Schultz the elder family.
  3. R Shane Doan: If he’ll take the Oilers call, they should make right a horrible wrong .
  4. D Marc-Andre Gragnani, Vancouver: I know he isn’t a physical defender and he’s LH, but this is a pretty damn good puck mover laying on the side of the road.

Not much left, folks. Up next: trade targets and cost.

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  1. Cactus says:

    I think we’re in limbo until something breaks on the Nash-Ryan-Doan trade/UFA angles. I think Tambellini is right in waiting for some team to come up hard against the cap and then swoop in and rescue them, taking either a decent defensive forward or a top 4 defenceman, probably for a 2nd round pick and a lower end prospect.

    No point overpaying if the market could change any day now.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Cactus:
    I think we’re in limbo until something breaks on the Nash-Ryan-Doan trade/UFA angles.I think Tambellini is right in waiting for some team to come up hard against the cap and then swoop in and rescue them, taking either a decent defensive forward or a top 4 defenceman, probably for a 2nd round pick and a lower end prospect.

    No point overpaying if the market could change any day now.

    You might be right.. but wasn’t the conventional wisdom that the free agency market and trade market would open up once the Parise/Suter sweepstakes were over? I haven’t seen a lot of activity since then…

    The logic is sound: teams are waiting to see who goes where, what they need, who’s available, etc… but maybe waiting for the perfect, or even a good, situation is just another way to defer doing anything.

  3. franksterra says:

    More of a comment on management’s approach then the players, but picking up Gragnani seems sort of ‘Pottery’ to me. Can we be done soon with thes acquisitions?

  4. Lowetide says:

    I think the Oilers absolutely have to add another top 4 defender. They have been out of balance since 2006 spring on the blue. Good grief. They haven’t replaced Spacek let alone Pronger.

  5. PerryK says:

    Lowetide:
    I think the Oilers absolutely have to add another top 4 defender. They have been out of balance since 2006 spring on the blue. Good grief. They haven’t replaced Spacek let alone Pronger.

    How about getting Spacek? I know he is old and stop-gap at best for one year. But his numbers looked pretty good last year.

  6. rickithebear says:

    Nice to hear Strudwick give willis props on the rozival evaluation.

    speeaking of free agents:
    Looked at Schultz:
    When you look at the NCAA last 15 years (age 18-24 league)
    Intreating group of dmen 20 & under in top 3 NCAA:
    11-12: N. Schmidt, Laleggia
    10-11 J.schultz, Gardiner
    09-10 B. Kessel, B. Smith
    08-09 J. McBain
    07-08 A. Martinez
    06-07 J. Johnson
    04-05 M. Carle, A. Goligoski
    02-03 K. Ballard, R. Jones
    00-01 J. Leopold, R. Hainsey
    98-99 M. Mottau

    We have 2 of the 9 post lockout.

  7. Ducey says:

    Willis has story up that says 11 teams are after Doan and that his agent has contracted Detroit several times looking for an offer. Sounds like he will go there or stay in PHX,

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/07/08/eleven-teams-have-inquired-about-free-agent-forward-shane-doan/

    You’d have to guess that the Habs are out after all the language BS during the Olympics.

    And the Oilers don’t need any more D now that they have Murray.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein mentioned SJS yesterday, suspect that’s a possible destination too.

  9. TheOtherJohn says:

    We have added an elite rookie goal scorer that may very well need soft minute protection and a 22 year offensive D man that may take 30-40 games to adjust to the speed of the NHL. Both will also have to acclimatize to the 82 game grind of the NHL. They might take a year or two to really blossom.

    Think that’s all that we have added to a 29th place team. Plus Smyth and Horcoff are 1 year closer to retirement

    Surely more is coming because if not we will be around 20th UNLESS Dubnyk meets or exceeds his new salary and Whitney recovers to his pre-injury form. Both is possible but………… Not likely

    Problem with prospects are that they are very hard to value and you might actually trade a prospect that turns into a player. Expect that is part of the problem. Mr Dithers is only 6 mths into his 30 month evaluation of what prospect he is prepared to trade

  10. speeds says:

    Not that I think he seems like the kind of player EDM’s management would covet, but what about Alexander Semin?

    Semin-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
    Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

    looks good to me?

  11. Rondo says:

    36 yr old centers in the NHL are rare , who knows when the clock will strike 12:00.

    Every team in the league talks about Daniel Winnik ,

    Marc-Andre Gragnani is a liability on defense.

    Michal Rozsival will be expensive

  12. WeridAl says:

    With the Oiler still in a rebuild, and abundance of quality D coming up through the system, can the Oilers afford to take on a 3yr contract. IMO the UFA D the Oilers would be interested in would take nothing less then a 3 yr contract.

    What happens if one of these prospect D shine come TC, you cannot send him down. Best wait until TC and then make the trade.

    LT it’s not like the Oilers are going to make the playoffs this year. The Oilers lack of size up front and the lack of even strength scoring is more of a concern then adding another D.

  13. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Not that I think he seems like the kind of player EDM’s management would covet, but what about Alexander Semin?

    Semin-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
    Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

    looks good to me?

    I love that, have been hoping for years the Oilers go to that kind of three line scoring format. Keep the other team at bay most of the game, AND there’s a tough minutes line that can push the river.

    But the Oilers don’t do that. They just don’t. If you asked them about signing Semin the Edmonton Oilers would ask “why?” without missing a beat.

  14. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    You might be right.. but wasn’t the conventional wisdom that the free agency market and trade market would open up once the Parise/Suter sweepstakes were over? I haven’t seen a lot of activity since then…

    What’s holding it up now is Howson.

    He lived through the Pronger thing and is determined to maximize Nash.

    All the other GM’s say that Howson is asking for the moon.

    So we wait.

    I think a smart GM signs Ryan before Nash does anything. I think Ryan is more effcient value cap wise.

    Oilers are done with FA’s and Semin isn’t rough and tumble enough to join the kids (in the orgs eyes)

    Love to see a Peckman + for Leopold trade with BUF.

    Regier is gaining truculence like a drunken Burke, Theo would be right up his alley.

    Leopold would be good to help J.Shultz.

    Smid-Petry
    Leopold-J.Shultz
    Whitney-N.Shultz
    Sutton

  15. jp says:

    Lowetide: I love that, have been hoping for years the Oilers go to that kind of three line scoring format. Keep the other team at bay most of the game, AND there’s a tough minutes line that can push the river.

    But the Oilers don’t do that. They just don’t. If you asked them about signing Semin the Edmonton Oilers would ask “why?” without missing a beat.

    He’s also going to command a lot of $$. Very tough to keep the core together and/or improve the D with him on board.

    That’s a crazy top 9 though.

  16. Lowetide says:

    JP:One year deal, then he drops off when Hall/Eberle get their contracts.

  17. Cactus says:

    Woodguy:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    You might be right.. but wasn’t the conventional wisdom that the free agency market and trade market would open up once the Parise/Suter sweepstakes were over? I haven’t seen a lot of activity since then…

    What’s holding it up now is Howson.

    He lived through the Pronger thing and is determined to maximize Nash.

    All the other GM’s say that Howson is asking for the moon.

    So we wait.

    I think a smart GM signs Ryan before Nash does anything.I think Ryan is more effcient value cap wise.

    This is exactly right. Nash’s cap hit is under-reported in all the media discussions of a trade right now. Under-reported not because no one is mentioning it, but because it’s clearly the main factor in why a deal won’t get done (in my eyes). Paying $7.8M per year until 2018 for a guy who has only managed about 30G and 60P is not good value for most GMs. Yes, he’s a strong player and I”d expect him to improve in a better organization, but that’s a pretty big risk to take for a GM that’s being asked to give up a king’s ransom.

    http://capgeek.com/comparables.php?player=586

    There are the cap comparables to Nash. Throwing out obvious screwups like Gomez, there aren’t a lot of people on that list who I’d prefer over Nash right now based upon production and contract. In fact, one of the best comparables I can think of is Vinny Lecavalier. Nash obviously has less injury troubles, but both signed huge contracts around the time of their peak performances (100 point seasons for Lecavalier, 40G seasons for Nash). Now that they’ve seemingly regressed, they’re still good players, but not near what their cap hit entails.

  18. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    JP:One year deal, then he drops off when Hall/Eberle get their contracts.

    If he’d take it, hell yeah. May be even 2 until RNH needs to get paid. We wouldn’t need to play D :)

    If only we could get MacLoweBellini to see it…

  19. speeds says:

    Lowetide:
    JP:One year deal, then he drops off when Hall/Eberle get their contracts.

    I think EDM could make it work if they gave Semin a 2 year deal, up to 7 mil per*. EDM’s nowhere near the cap now, for this year it would be no problem (assuming the cap doesn’t drop crazily). Even if it does, with bonus overages** EDM should have no problem being under the cap in 2012/13. In 13/14, they’ll have to give raises to Smid, Hall, and Eberle, probably those raises use something like 9 mil in cap space above their current combined ~7.2 mil cap hit. They get 1.5 mil with Souray’s buyout off the cap, and probably save 2-2.5 mil with whatever they do to replace Khabi. That, coupled with whatever cap room they have left over, should be more than enough to fit in a two year deal.

    * Not saying you don’t do whatever checking into the player you normally do, to see how much of his reputation is nonsense and how much is real, and then evaluate from there. And if you could get him signed for cheaper, of course you do so.

    ** EDM has 8 mil in Schedule B bonuses, the chances of all 4 players hitting those bonuses are so remote it’s hardly worth consideration. Of course, that also assumes bonus overages are part of the next CBA.

  20. Ducey says:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/19533153/nhl-rumors-alexander-semin-has-10-millionperseason-offer-from-khl

    Says here Semin has an offer for $30 M for 3 years in the KHL and that if he stays in the NHL he is looking at $5.5 to $6 million a season.

    Fancy stats show a good Rel Corsi but 8th toughest quality of comp amoung WSH forwards and a 51% off zone start. Given his complaint about how he was used in WSH, no doubt he would prefer soft minutes and lots of PP time – the Oilers have plenty of guys to play that role already.

    He appears by all accounts to be the kind of guy you don’t want around your young players. This is not a fantasy league.

    Too expensive, too soft, and too much of a headcase. No thanks.

  21. Gerta Rauss says:

    Yes to Leopold or an established defender with 1 or 2 years left on his contract that won’t cost an arm and a leg. Small bets.

  22. speeds says:

    Ducey,

    For the sake of argument, in the 10/11 season, Semin was 3rd on qual comp and 3rd in relcorsi among F’s on WSH

    In 09/10, he was somehow even (3 GF and 3 GA) on the 4 on 5 PK with ~70 PK minutes on the year. In 10/11, he was -2 with ~60 min PK time. NOTE – look away from his 11/12 numbers!!! -1, on 1:09 on the PK all season!

  23. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Here’s a hypothetical on the convergence of the potential Phx blowout; free agency; correcting past wrongs; and, Oiler need of vet winger storylines

    it’s july 1st, our options are limited to Ray Whitney and Shane Doan… who do we target?

  24. hags9k says:

    Oh boy Doan would look good in Oiler silks but I don’t see it being a fit right now. Detroit is a reasonable bet, but I’ll be surprised if he leaves the desert.

  25. jfry says:

    i like semin for two years. speeds makes great points about the contract.

    as for the semin “reputation” it seems a little too over the top “russian” media slant. sure there’s a russian factor but it seems more like old school media drumming up some narrative from the cold war and radulov is their bay of pigs.

    i find it ridiculous. semin was praised and loved by AO, who seems like the genuine article.

    but i’m sure we can all agree semin will never be approached to come here because he has a negative poise factor, plus he’s only played internationally for the enemy.

  26. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    jfry:
    i like semin for two years. speeds makes great points about the contract.

    as for the semin “reputation” it seems a little too over the top “russian” media slant.sure there’s a russian factor but it seems more like old school media drumming up some narrative from the cold war and radulov is their bay of pigs.

    i find it ridiculous.semin was praised and loved by AO, who seems like the genuine article.

    but i’m sure we can all agree semin will never be approached to come here because he has a negative poise factor, plus he’s only played internationally for the enemy.

    That was my sense as well… I don’t watch many Wash. games so I can’t say I “saw him good/bad” but you don’t score that many goals without doing something right in the NHL.

    What I found really distasteful was the FA day on TSN… they did a whole segment where all three panelists (duthie, crawford, ferraro) slammed Semin like he was a whipping mule. It was so over the top that it was clear they weren’t interested in analyzing the player and his skills…

    I mean I’ve seen die hard Oiler fans be more generous to Regehr or Kesler than they were to Semin… it’s a perverse ideology in some of these old guys.

  27. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: What I found really distasteful was the FA day on TSN… they did a whole segment where all three panelists (duthie, crawford, ferraro) slammed Semin like he was a whipping mule. It was so over the top that it was clear they weren’t interested in analyzing the player and his skills…

    Pierre McGuire bashed him even harder than any of those guys, too. Made him sound like Patrick O’Sullivan minus the skills and character. I’m no Semin fan myself but found that character assassination to be distateful in the extreme.

  28. jfry says:

    i went and played volleyball in russia when i was 17 (20 years ago) and it was right in the middle of the “collapse” … i have never met a group of people who were nicer and more hospitable to a foreigner, especially given the crazy political and economic turmoil they were all going through. their culture is wildly different and a move to NA must be weird, but wow, i’m embarrassed that we still have such a hold over mentality from the cold war and “russians”.

    that said, i know nothing about semin and he might be the biggest jerk in the whole world. could you imagine if souray had been russian during that whole debacle?

  29. Lowetide says:

    Meh. We have the same thing here about Hemsky. Half of the Oiler fans I know would just as soon hobble the guy and leave him in the ditch. Mcguire’s an idiot, no doubt. But that ignorant verbal about Euro’s runs deep in this country.

  30. vishcosity says:

    Just dialed through the UFA tracker for 2012-13. Between D and C positions, once again the only player I see who can really help is Getzlaf. For the Oilers to wait with the current squad, as in, no more free agents this summer, if they wait until next year’s deadline, maybe then they could land Getz as that magical #1 centre able to push on RNH. Seeing those two duel (ala 99/11) would be some fine times for sure.

    Also noticed the Kings won the cup with four players making over 5M.

    And astoundingly, projecting forward to 14 – 15, it looks like Oiler talent may be too expensive to maintain. That is a thought I didn’t expect remotely even 12 months back.

  31. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide,

    I read an interesting old newspaper story (1994) about Pierre this week: “McGuire’s Tenure a Bad Situation.” I don’t know anything about the columnist, but it’s the most negative evaluation of an NHL coach I’ve ever read.

    http://articles.courant.com/1994-05-21/sports/9405210429_1_pierre-mcguire-whalers-general-manager-paul-holmgren

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Oh yea… McGuire… he was there… I must have added someone in his place (I know Crawford was there for sure and Duthie was the “host” must have been ferraro I added by accident)

    At any rate, it was shameful. It doesn’t help fans to load them up with animus for players beyond necessity.
    Lowetide,

    I get your cynicism… and Oiler fans and commentators are just as susceptible to the same nonsense as anyone else (you got that right).. but it doesn’t hurt to fight through the crap every now and again and try to touch concrete.

    That’s what makes this place so great. People actually looking at Semin’s underlying numbers and trying to figure out if he’s any good, or a good fit… the various narratives be damned!

  33. Lowetide says:

    Jon: WOW. Just absolutely torched him. I’ve never read anything that strong. Holy.

  34. Lowetide says:

    Rom: Absolutely. I guess it just galls me to know guys like Widing, Hedberg, Salming, Hammarstrom and others had to go through this 35 years ago and we’re still here with the Russians, Czechs and Slovaks. Ridiculous.

    And quite sad, actually.

    :-)

  35. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide,

    “In 15 years of covering the NHL, we had never seen a coach so universally disrespected and disliked within his own organization.” I wonder how the TSN and NBC guys feel about him? Probably some of the traits that hurt him as a coach help him as a commentator. “When a young man is so headstrong, so emotional, so calculating, such a control freak, so full of ambition and so full of himself, he will either rocket to the top or crash.”

  36. jfry says:

    i wish there were more articles written like that one. wow. that is the opposite of the team controlled media. wow. i miss papers and players smoking under the bleachers.

  37. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    jonrmcleod,

    I found this part especially interesting:

    His fascination with trying to outwit the other coach may hurt the Whalers in the long run. Instead of playing kids such as Robert Petrovicky or Kevin Smyth long after it was apparent the team was out of the playoff race, McGuire would fastidiously match lines, go with aging veterans and make sure certain faceoff alignments were always followed. Instead of development, he seemed just to want to squeeze out two points.

    I wonder how that would have played during Renney’s tenure? (haha)

    and this part is particularly satisfying:

    On the bench, players said McGuire would taunt the other team, saying he couldn’t believe the opposing coach was allowing him certain line matchups. This braggadocio led Pittsburgh’s Jaromir Jagr to mock McGuire in December. McGuire got Jagr for an illegal stick, and after Jagr jumped out of the penalty box, he scored on a breakaway. Although he had scored big goals in two Stanley Cup championships, Jagr called this overtime goal the biggest of his life because he humbled “that know-it-all.”

    I’ve never felt so much affection for Jagr before.

  38. Jesse says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    jonrmcleod,

    I found this part especially interesting:

    I wonder how that would have played during Renney’s tenure? (haha)

    and this part is particularly satisfying:

    I’ve never felt so much affection for Jagr before.

    I remember when Ilya Kovalchuk did that to the Oilers.

  39. Bank Shot says:

    I’d like to see Pavel Kubina in Oilers silks. He can play ES and the special teams. He’s a huge beast that will remain effective as long as they continue not to call bear hugs around the net.

    If the Oilers go into the season with Sutton as #6 I will lose it.

  40. OilClog says:

    Adding Semin even for a season or two would be intense, 40 goal scores don’t grow on trees. It would allow Mps and others to develop in OKC, while Macbellinilowe figure out how to keep em all under contract.

    But more realistically.. Oilers should offer some of the farm up for Getzlaf. I could see him and Hall working very well together. MPS, Gernat, Omark, 2013 1st.. Starting point?

  41. OilClog says:

    Bank Shot,

    I kinda hope Sutton is the 6 spot, unless he’s replaced with a more heavy hitter. I want to see my Sutton slams.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Sutton should be fine as a 5-6. I think the Oilers (without any changes) will go:

    1. Smid-Petry
    2. N Schultz-J Schultz
    3. Whitney-Sutton
    4. Peckham-Potter

    imo they’ll take 8 if they don’t make a trade.

  43. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Jon: WOW. Just absolutely torched him. I’ve never read anything that strong. Holy.

    I’d like to see Pierre run a NHL team.

    I like to watch things burn.

  44. Professor Q says:

    Ryan,

    Such a stupid play by Lucic.

  45. WeridAl says:

    Do my eyes deceive me, or do I actually see some fans would like the Oilers to sign Semin. You have a young team and you want the Oilers to sign a player with a questionable work ethic. Talk about getting desperate.

  46. Professor Q says:

    WeridAl,

    I like Semin…

  47. jfry says:

    you’re right wiredal, our top 9 looks way better with jones, belanger and horc. 40 goal scorers who push the puck in the right direction are junk. plus he’s a dirty commie!

  48. vishcosity says:

    If the Oil are long anywhere, its RW. Not grasping the Kulemin or Semin talk. Even if one or two RW can happily move over to LW, the clear burning need seems 100% down the middle. Behind RNH and Sam there is Pitlick Lander and Vandevelde? Even the D seems solid compared to that.

    Or, I have a lot more faith in the futures of one or two of Klefbom, Marincin, Musil, and Fedun than anything involving centres from OKC.

    Getzlaf, 27, is a Western Canadian boy who could easily have been an Oiler fan growing up. If Anaheim does deal Ryan, they’ll have 2/3 of a line plus one generally upright goalie. Can’t see Getz wanting to stay after Selanne and Koivu wrap it up, thus I think he’s a perfect target for next year’s deadline, at which point Gagner and his freshly arbitrated deal could easily be the player part of player, prospect and pick. Doesn’t necessarily solve the problem, but a 3C can maybe be found out of Lander and the 4C in VDV school before Samwise is the 2C surviving 4 gruelling playoff series.

    Please no Semin. He sounds too much like the Taylor Hall antidote.

  49. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    vishcosity,

    Semin plays LW. (you seemed to be implying he was RW, no?)

    I agree with you about C being more of a priority and that Getzlaf would be a sweet peach. Moreover, Semin is not likely to fill LTs “mentoring vet winger” role very well…

    But assuming Smyth can cover that bet… I don’t see the harm in bringing in that kind of scoring. especially for 1-2 years.

    I don’t think it’s going to happen (Semin, as others have noted, is not going to be on the top of the Oilers’ list… that mgt. group has old boys club written all over it and I can’t imagine they diverge from the anti-Semin narrative much… and FWIW Semin isn’t at the top of my list either…

    but he certainly makes for an interesting option and if we somehow nabbed him for a 1 or 2 I can’t say I’d be horribly put out.

    (maybe he can be the russian mentor people seem to think Yak needs)

  50. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Oh yea… McGuire… he was there… I must have added someone in his place (I know Crawford was there for sure and Duthie was the “host” must have been ferraro I added by accident)

    More McGuire’s style than Ferraro’s, for sure. Ray will rip a guy for his play, but not generally attack his character. Whereas McGuire … well, I don’t know where his limits are, but he tends toward the extremes.

  51. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Maybe Semin could teach Hall the fine arts of pugilism.

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Maybe Semin could teach Hall the fine arts of pugilism.

    Great excuse for this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM

    and look, there’s Renney at the 1:36 mark. Hey Tom, enjoy winning in Detroit!

  53. Ducey says:

    Can we stop all this nonsense about Semin being a 40 goal scorer. That was 3 years ago. He has been stuck at 54 pts for two seasons.

  54. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    That’s the one! Hilarious. But at least he didn’t torque his ankle and put himself out for the year. Thus my snark above.

  55. Cactus says:

    Ducey:
    Can we stop all this nonsense about Semin being a 40 goal scorer.That was 3 years ago.He has been stuck at 54 pts for two seasons.

    Actually, we should stop talking about Semin period. No way he comes to the Oilers. I’m sure he’ll be able to get a 3 year deal from someone at around $5M minimum. The Oilers won’t offer him that, nor should they.

    speeds,

    Offering Semin up to $7M seems like the kind of NHL 12 stuff that gets teams in trouble in real life. I’ve been playing with salaries going forward and the Oilers will have a chance to keep this core together (contrary to the Pierre McGuire naysayers) if they do the following two things:

    1) Sign long term deals
    2) Set an internal cap

    The second is really important. If they can get the kids to buy into all getting contracts at somewhere between $6-7M over 10 years, this is quite doable. Detroit used to do this using the Lidstrom and Datsyuk contracts as baselines. Giving Semin $7M is not going to aid that process.

  56. Ben says:

    Any thought that the Oilers might be putting off signing Nail in anticipation of different conditions in ELCs coming out of the new CBA?

  57. Traktor says:

    For D I like Kubina. Only for 1 year though.

    Arnott is the forward I would sign. 1 year deal to play with Ryan Smyth.

  58. TheOtherJohn says:

    The goal for the NHL in the next CBA will be to reduce player take of HRR to 50-52% and nail down shorter contracts: 5 years or less. As result the 40 odd 10-12 year contracts with small tails will be a thing of the past. Oilers will have to manage the Cap under those circumstances. So paying 5 or 6 guys on the periphery too much $$ will have real consequences

  59. speeds says:

    Cactus,

    I wouldn’t say I’m as strong an advocate for signing Semin as it might seem from this thread. I think it’s possible that what you say about internal salary structure is important – it may not be but it could be.

    If you did sign Semin at that kind of money, it would be pretty tight to the cap.

    What I will say is I think it’s more important for the Oilers to get better this year than some might think, and not just for the obvious “would rather watch wins” reasons. If they don’t get better this year, does Smid want to stay? Whitney (if you want him back)? If they go, and the team is terrible again, can you replace them at a reasonable price?

  60. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    That’s what burned about Hall’s fight so much… he was doing fine and it wasn’t the fight per se that got him… his freakish fall was as likely as RNH blowing a tire all on his lonesome, or Potter stepping on Hall, or any other number of weird Oiler calamities.

    Cactus,
    I don’t think anyone either 1) thinks Semin is a possibility; or, 2) is over the moon about it.

    I like your salary structure though. I like the idea of a some kind of quorum like atmosphere: “you guys are the guys… if you want to stay together and win cups together and do it here, you’re going to have to buy into mutually beneficial contracts”

    maybe that line works, maybe it doesn’t

    But one thing the last week has reinforced is that players don’t always chase money, other factors operate (Schultz, Garrison, Parise, etc)… maybe we can make it work with some long-term thinking.
    Ben,

    This was tossed around yesterday (i think)

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/07/signing-yakupov.html

    the majority opinion (correct me anyone if I’m wrong) seems to be the Oil are waiting to get him to sign, because they don’t want to miss out on a big PR roll out. Also, apparently Hall and RNH signed around now… so it’s not that late in the day yet.

  61. Ryan says:

    Am I the only one or is anyone else imagining this:

    Gagner – Harsky/PRV – Yakupov

    * buttersoft minutes

    Samwise never saw a soft minute particularly with favorable zone starts that he didn’t like.

    Stay it one more time for emphasis…. BUTTERSOFT minutes.

    Gives Yakupov time to adjust to NHL and build confidence. Gagner loves soft minutes and could see his stats get pumped with a speedy winger who can finish. PRV or Hartsky goes along for the free ride. If either slumps or the line needs a kick in the ass, you put Hemsky on his off wing on the line.

    Then you go power vs power with Nuge-Hall-Eberle but keeping the zone starts neutral.

    Might be a bit early, but this line isn’t going to fly under the radar in any rink in North America anyways. These kids will have to take flight at some point if we’re going to have any playoff aspirations.

    Then the 2006 line. A bit of a problem wasting Hemsky on this line. If he can play his off wing, he moves up to line two and you have PRV on the RW.

    4rth line? Belanger centering the spare parts.

    Not saying this is a playoff strat. With any luck, Yakupov and the soft minutes pump Gagner’s stock for a trade at the deadline.

    Thinking about is suggests that we don’t have all the right pieces for sure.

  62. OilClog says:

    Ducey,

    Signing Semin to $7mil is ridiculous, but signing Semin isn’t. If the Oil were to sign him, something similar to Hemsky’s it wouldn’t hurt anyone. Short term, movable, additional asset. Would Semin accept it probably not, but why not try.

  63. Ryan says:

    Okay, I feel Ike a fraud now.

    Just listened to the JW interview I had missed on the line combos and he said virtually the same thing, i just wrote, but did a better job elaborating it than I did…. Sorry guys.

  64. wordbird says:

    speeds:
    Not that I think he seems like the kind of player EDM’s management would covet, but what about Alexander Semin?

    Semin-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
    Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

    looks good to me?

    in a perfect world, Smyth-Horcoff would comprise two thirds of a really effective FOURTH line for the Oilers. situational stuff, PK… the team could roll 4 lines game in and game out instead of effectively wasting a couple of lineup spots for 4.5 minutes of Hordichuk or Eager and having to compensate as a result. I’d like to see a top 6 featuring the Fab 4 (plus Hemmer and Hartikanen), and a upgraded BOTTOM 6 (add in the aforementioned Winnik, and perhaps a Dominic Moore or some such. or a ‘reset’ Belanger, i guess). More experience/usefulness in the bottom 6 is where i’m going with this. Out with Eager and Jones. Only occasional Hordichuk and Pettrell. MPS and Lander simmer in OKC.

  65. BONVIE says:

    OilClog,
    I would pass on Semin. I think the Oilers are ok upfront a Doan would be nice but if Paajarvia is ready to get back in the NHL, which I believe he will be, having two many wingers may not help his and Hartikainen’s development. It seems as if alot of people have forgotten the good in Magnus’ game a big forward with amazing speed, who has shown he can finish. I myself was at the top of the list for getting frustrated with his game last year of always being on the fringe, but that is what the minors are for and I think he returns to form.

    It would be nice for the Oilers to upgrade their defense, adding any of the players left as UFA’s will do nothing to help their current defense. If they do nothing in regards to a big trade to bring in a top four defenseman then I will see that as an insight that Ryan Whitney will be healthy and returned to form. Oilers success will be contingent on the Ryan Whiney spot either it needs to filled with a healthy Ryan Whitney, or a player that is similar to Ryan Whitney before the injury.

  66. vishcosity says:

    BONVIE:
    OilClog,

    Oilers success will be contingent on the Ryan Whiney spot either it needs to filled with a healthy Ryan Whitney, or a player that is similar to Ryan Whitney before the injury.

    That spot cost Matt Greene and Jarret Stoll. What are you willing to give up for said player spot this time around? A top flight defenseman is going to cost very dearly, if even short of the fab four. Maybe a Letang could be pried for less, maybe a Rundblad or Ryan Murphy, if you consider them a lock for a top pair. Realistically any Gormley, Hamilton, Petrangelo or Gubrandson is going to take one of the four with maybe a pick coming back, merely for consolation. And a 3 for 1 almost never works in fantasy hockey, and it probably won’t for any real GM either.

    Cap geek and my 2010 fantasy team both had Semin at RW, maybe he’s switched, not sure.

    Still think the only prize worth adding to this roster is just and only Ryan Getzlaf, and I would pursue that dog with all arrows pointed. Like, single focus style. I just don’t see anyone else that would fit, primarily because he has skills beyond, one year left on his deal, and plays for a team on the verge of a tank. Four first round picks future wouldn’t even freak me out, except for the salary thing and that he’s not RFA. Dude seems the real deal, and they are few and far between. Well, Huberdeau Couturier Schenn or maybe Galchenyuk may fit nicely too, but its defintely going to cost one of the fab four for any of them as far as I can figure.

    Adding my obligatory Lowe plug here, I really think they’ve assembled a roster and farm team which can put them in the hunt within a couple years. I think the rebuild has been super successful, to the point that they may even have too many top flight kids that they can afford to lose a 1st overall and still compete. Who in the history of forever can say that? So maybe they can step out beyond Getzlaf, but to keep the four together, I think he’s the only player in play.

  67. Ryan says:

    vishcosity,

    I dunno man. Letang is a stud. I can’t see Pitsburgh trading him to us. Over 24 min per game. 42 points in 51 games, plus 21.

    With Malkin and Crosby, they don’t need the Nuge. I can’t see them trading Letang straight up for Hall, Eberle, or Yakupov let alone for something outside of our fab four.

  68. mike.c33 says:

    Ryan,

    Letang for Hemsky? Straight up.

  69. Professor Q says:

    mike.c33,

    Would it be so bad if Edmonton had to add a contract to that deal? Even if just to free up some space?

  70. Notbookje says:

    mick swagger:
    YOU SERIOUSLY WANT THIS GUY??? http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVDRCpN4OMpM&v=VDRCpN4OMpM&gl=CA

    This guy might be worth getting though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwx7lHN4g_c

    I wouldn’t judge a guy for one ‘slap fight’ if he was good otherwise. The biggest knock against Semin appears to be his alleged attitude (well that and two subpar seasons).

  71. Bruce McCurdy says:

    wordbird: More experience/usefulness in the bottom 6 is where i’m going with this. Out with Eager and Jones.

    I’m not sure I follow your logic. Oilers have exactly three forwards between the ages of 24-31 who have more than one NHL season under their belt. They are:

    Ales Hemsky, soon turning 29, 559 GP
    Ben Eager, 28, 386 GP
    Ryan Jones, just turned 28, 255 GP

    And you want to turf two of the three for more experienced/older guys? Oilers have already got Smyth, Horcoff, Belanger and Hordichuk who are 32+ and have a tonne of experience. Gotta have some bridge players in there somewhere, surely.

  72. Gret99zky says:

    LT,

    You have to have a new post up by 7am everyday.

    Days with more than one post are even better.

    You need to understand that the morning, the coffee, the attitude, the day, and the life all start with this blog.

    I’m going to give you a pass this time.

    :)

  73. Woodguy says:

    Oilers re-up all the OKC coaches.

    The press release:

    General Manager Steve Tambellini announced today the Edmonton Oilers have re-signed Oklahoma City Barons Head Coach Todd Nelson and Assistant Coaches Gerry Fleming and Rocky Thompson.

    All three members of the AHL coaching staff are entering their third season with the Barons. In each of their first two campaigns, the staff produced 40-win seasons and a trip to the 2012 Calder Cup Western Conference Finals. In their first season together, the team posted a 40-29-2-9 mark and a spot in the Calder Cup playoffs for the first time in eight years for the Oilers organization.

    Steve Tambellini says, “We are very excited to have Todd, Gerry and Rocky return to the Oklahoma City Barons. Under their leadership the Barons have excelled each season and they continue to play a critical role in developing our young talent.”

    The coaching staff improved upon a strong 2010-11 season in 2011-12. Nelson and his staff guided the Barons to a 45-22-4-5 record, 99 points and the Western Conference regular season title. In the postseason, the Barons won their first two series before falling to the Toronto Marlies in the Western Conference Finals. Last season, the Barons were one of the top defensive clubs in the league, allowing just 176 goals over the 76-game schedule.

    Nelson, 43, joined the coaching ranks in 2003 as head coach of the Muskegon Fury. In three seasons as coach of the Fury, he led them to back-to-back 50-win seasons and two league championships. Following his time with Muskegon, he joined the Atlanta Thrashers organization. He spent two seasons as the assistant coach with the Thrashers AHL affiliate in Chicago and two seasons in Atlanta. Originally a 4th round draft choice of the Pittsburgh Penguins in the 1989 NHL Entry Draft, he played nearly 900 games in the professional ranks.

    Originally from Montreal, Fleming, 46, has been an assistant coach for the Oilers top affiliate for the last four seasons. Prior to his stint with the Oilers, he spent eight seasons as a head coach in the ECHL, seven with the Florida Everblades. He led Florida to the playoffs in each season behind the bench, including back-to-back trips to the ECHL Kelly Cup Finals in 2004 and 2005. He broke into coaching in 1998 as the assistant coach for Montreal’s AHL affiliate in Fredericton. Fleming played nearly 300 games as a pro, all with the Montreal organization.

    Following a playing career that included nearly 600 games in the professional ranks, Thompson, 35, began his coaching career as an assistant with the Edmonton Oil Kings in 2007. Following three seasons with the Oil Kings, he joined the Barons staff. Originally a 3rd round draft choice of Calgary in the 1995 NHL Entry Draft, Thompson played 25 games in the NHL with Calgary and Florida.

  74. prairieschooner says:

    I don’t want to pile on but I tend to agree with Grett99zky.
    The blog has become my first check of the day.
    I believe we are not alone in our requirement of Hockey thoughts intermingled with our day to day activities.

  75. Notbookje says:

    Gret99zky,

    Fully agree, I run the risk of actually accomplishing something today and that would be a terrible terrible thing.

  76. bookje says:

    ….and now back from ‘Alternative reality land’….bookje

  77. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    What’s interesting about that article is how ‘Rocky Thomson’ only played 25 games in the NHL and only 15 with Calgary, yet the notion that Rocky Thomson was a Calgary Flames brawler was firmly entrenched in my mind (I doubt I could name any other flame who played less than 40-50 games with the team). It goes to show the importance of branding.

  78. wordbird says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    sorry, wrote that late last night, likely made more sense in my head.
    i think it’s the bridge players i have issue with. Eager and Hordichuk just aren’t useful enough pieces, imho. Hordichuk has the nuclear deterrent angle to his game, i guess, but still think the team would be better offer with a better player in his spot, someone who can win a faceoff, etc, like a Moore or a Winnik. Eager has always struck me as a guy, well… if we were talking football, Eager would be the guy who occasionally makes a huge play, but you never know if he’s running towards the right endzone.
    Hemsky? he can stay right where he is, no complaints there.

    it’s all about balance, imho. after the top 8-9 last year, there was real drop off. overworked Smyth and Horc, MPS and Lander in over their heads, #16 and #55 not really justifying their roster spot… Pettrell doing some good things (but according to others on here his stats saying otherwise). Jones? opinions split on him too. Belanger? do over.

    Perhaps the new Ralph, a new system and a revised system will help in some instances (like Belanger and Hordichuk). But as others have said on here as well – with the forwards on this roster, what’s changed? Yes, of course, Yakupov has been added, but are they better up the middle? Are Eager/Hordichuk/Pettrell going to be anything more than what they’ve shown? If Belanger rebounds, that’s a big plus, but after that… Surely this roster with 10-15 minutes each of some combo of Moore/Winnik/Wellwood/Player X in the lineup is better than this roster with 4-5 minutes each of Eager, Hordichuk and Pettrell.

  79. copperblueandwhite says:

    Lowetide,

    They haven’t replaced Spacek let alone Pronger.

    They could replace Spacek with….er….Spacek!!….Rosival would fit too…

  80. Bruce McCurdy says:

    wordbird: Eager has always struck me as a guy, well… if we were talking football, Eager would be the guy who occasionally makes a huge play, but you never know if he’s running towards the right endzone.

    Haha, Wordbird, that’s bang on. I’m not a huge fan of this player for that very reason that he’s totally unpredicatble, but he does have his uses occasionally. He seems to have trouble thinking the game, even without being concussed in the freakin’ Joey Moss Cup.

    re: Jones, sure opinions are split, but to me he is very much a useful role player. Still improving as he reaches his prime, not outrageously expensive, useful PKer, can move up and down the line-up (without complaint!), plays both wings, can score some, and did surprisingly well when tasked with a tough-minutes role. Above that is his value in the “bridging” role; he’s a veteran who has no trouble connecting to the younger players and served a useful purpose in RNH’s rookie season. The kind of intermediate age of player the Oilers sorely missed during thecaptainethanmoreau period when it seemed like there was a 10-year gap between the veterans and the kids and little in the way of strong personalities to fill it. That said, he Does fall down a lot.

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