OKC RE 12-13: TYLER PITLICK

The most interesting prospect in the minors is Tyler Pitlick. Math isn’t a massive fan, but the saw him good group talks him up like he’s going to have a career. What’s up with Pitlick?

OKC RE 12-13: 72, 16-26-42

  1. Is he a powerforward? No. I’ve asked Jim Byers several times and he has suggested that Pitlick (6.02, 193) has a physical presence and can hit people, but we shouldn’t be expecting Milan Lucic.
  2. What is he? Tyler Pitlick is an interesting prospect. He isn’t an offensive dynamo, but with all of the top end talents already in Edmonton there might be a role on a skill line for a physical forward prepared to get his nose dirty.
  3. What will he do if he gets  here? Pitlick’s skill set tells us there are several options, and one of them might be as a complementary player on a skill line. In other words, exactly what many fans are calling for right now at the NHL level.
  4. So, basically a RH Hartikainen? With better footspeed and less offense, plus some battle. Redline Report: “Accelerates briskly out of cross-over and blows by defenders. Has an NHL calibre shot right now. Flashed the ability to power through defenders. Can gain separation in corners with sharp twists and can turn on a dime. Patient playmaker. Long-limbed with farmboy like strength. Aggressive and finished checks. Can shield the puck and work it down low, but often gives it up due to his eagerness to come off the wall and attempt to dance around defenders. Work in progress defensively – will come back deep and battle for the puck but lacks awareness in coverage assignments. Green in many facets and was stuck on a Mankato team that was every man for himself, but was a big-time talent.” 
  5. Why didn’t he post better AHL numbers? I have a couple of theories, three actually. First, he turned pro pretty young (not yet 20) and second the guy has been playing in a different league every season. Finally, I do believe (and have stated before) that the OKC Barons under Todd Nelson have a longer view on prospects. Most of the kids coming in during his coaching time with the Barons play depth minutes before getting solid time.
  6. Exceptions? Hartikainen was one, but he didn’t come from junior or college either.
  7. Is there anything about his past that suggests Pitlick can score goals? He popped 22 EV goals in Medicine Hat, that’s a good total. It would have been a better boxcar season but he didn’t get the PP push.
  8. Can he make it as an NHL player on a skill line? I think there’s a chance, yes. He’ll be a complementary player, the third wheel riding along with two superior players but that shot should give him some chances.
  9. Your RE doesn’t suggest a lot of confidence in him. I’m not expecting him to get a lot of PP time in OKC this season. He will in my opinion get more playing time and probably more time with skill.
  10. Is Hartikainen a better prospect? We don’t have all of the evidence, but I would suggest that by this time next year we’ll know. Pitlick has decent size, plus footspeed and a plus shot. He should get his best chance this season to show offensively. If he is on a pace that puts him north of 50 points, I expect he’ll earn a callup to the NHL.
  11. So he’s still in the plans? God yes. Pitlick has the tools to be a checking winger if the offense won’t come. Oilers are high on this player, he’s going to get every chance to succeed.
  12. And he played better in the second half. And in the playoffs too, as he began to get more playing time. There’s much we don’t know about him, even though Pitlick has played one AHL season. He graduated junior a year earlier than some would have thought wise, so in some ways this season may be his coming out party as a pro.

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26 Responses to "OKC RE 12-13: TYLER PITLICK"

  1. JohnnyRocket says:

    Pitlick has some intangibles that have endeared him to the organization. In this case, it seems it is shared by the fan base too. He could fill some important needs for the organization if he develops well. I’m almost as excited to follow the Barons as I am the Oilers this season, although it may not be a choice of one or the other. LT, what do you think an extended lockout would do to the development players like Pitlick? Would they be better served by top line minutes in Stockton rather than being pushed down the line-up by the influx of NHL players? A lock-out would at least extend the value contracts of the skill kids, but I wonder how the Oilers could find minutes for all their developing prospects. Particularly on defense.

  2. cc says:

    Pitlick is one of my fav prospects. I have him slightly ahead of Hartikanen, even though Pitlick is behind Hartikanen at this stage. I like Pitlick’s skill set, skating, shooting, physical play. Worst case scenario I see a physical 4th line forward that provides energy. Best case scenario I see an above average 3rd liner that can play up a line. He kind of reminds me of Tyler Wright, when I followed him as a prospect but I hope Pitlick works out better than Wright.

    One thing I hate is the Lucic = Power Forward. If we are searching for the next Lucic the odds are we are going to fail. To me there is more to fisticuffs than being a power forward. Here’s a list of PF’s that don’t drop the gloves too often; Pacioretty, Holmstrom, & Laich, but they play a physical game and will drop the gloves if needed. I don’t think that Pitlick will reach these levels, but if Pitlick develops into a poor man’s Laich and Hartikanen is a poor man’s Holmstrom the Oilers will be in a good place.

  3. Woodguy says:

    I’m hoping Pitlick can become someone like Wayne Simmonds.

    They had similar 19year old years in the CHL:

    Simmonds: 60gp 33g 42a 75pts 1.25pts/gm
    Pitlick 54gp 27g 35a 62pts 1.15pts/gm

    Simmonds went on to play in the NHL in his 20 year old year and has become a 35-45pt guy with some crusty-gritty-jam to his game.

    Pitlick’s 20 year old year was a far cry from Simmonds, but his draft pedigree and past success indicate he could catch up.

    LAK threw SImmonds into the fire in his rookie year and he had the 5th most 5v5 TOI/gm for the Kings that year. (subsequent years he was 6th and 7th ESTOI/gm for LAK and 5th last year with PHI)

    Like LT, I think this year will tell us much more about Pitlick than last year (unless there is a long lockout and Pitlick is stuck behind some wonderkids in OKC)

    SImmonds is 6’2 185lbs
    Pitlick is 6’2 195lbs

    Simmonds is considered a “power forward” isn’t he?

  4. commonfan14 says:

    Woodguy: I’m hoping Pitlick can become someone like Wayne Simmonds.

    Don’t wish too hard. We wouldn’t be able to afford it based on that new contract.

  5. raventalon40 says:

    Woodguy:
    I’m hoping Pitlick can become someone like Wayne Simmonds.

    They had similar 19year old years in the CHL:

    Simmonds: 60gp 33g 42a 75pts 1.25pts/gm
    Pitlick 54gp 27g 35a 62pts 1.15pts/gm

    Simmonds went on to play in the NHL in his 20 year old year and has become a 35-45pt guy with some crusty-gritty-jam to his game.

    Pitlick’s 20 year old year was a far cry from Simmonds, but his draft pedigree and past success indicate he could catch up.

    LAK threw SImmonds into the fire in his rookie year and he had the 5th most 5v5 TOI/gm for the Kings that year.(subsequent years he was 6th and 7th ESTOI/gm for LAK and 5th last year with PHI)

    Like LT, I think this year will tell us much more about Pitlick than last year (unless there is a long lockout and Pitlick is stuck behind some wonderkids in OKC)

    SImmonds is 6’2 185lbs
    Pitlick is 6’2 195lbs

    Simmonds is considered a “power forward” isn’t he?

    Interesting comparison. But you have to play like a power forward to be a power forward, not just have the size.

    Alexei Mikhnov is 6’5″, 228 lbs. He’s not a power forward, is he? (Though I wish he would’ve been)

    I think from what I’ve read Pitlick is a slightly more skilled, slightly more physical version of Colin McDonald.

    So a young Fernando Pisani with more potential?

    Plus, having guys like this who are ready on the farm is not a bad thing. He could be our Dwight King or Jordan Nolan in the future.

  6. sliderule says:

    This is the year were we find out if he is a player.

    He has to at least put up JF Jacques type numbers .

    With Hartikanen in the NHL and MPS probably on another team he will get a push.

  7. Woodguy says:

    raventalon40: Interesting comparison. But you have to play like a power forward to be a power forward, not just have the size.

    Alexei Mikhnov is 6’5″, 228 lbs. He’s not a power forward, is he? (Though I wish he would’ve been)

    I think from what I’ve read Pitlick is a slightly more skilled, slightly more physical version of Colin McDonald.

    So a young Fernando Pisani with more potential?

    Plus, having guys like this who are ready on the farm is not a bad thing. He could be our Dwight King or Jordan Nolan in the future.

    By all accounts Pitlick isn’t afraid to use his size to his advantage, and neither is SImmonds.

  8. Cactus says:

    Woodguy,

    You make a good point about lockout effects. If this thing were to stretch until the beginning of January, that could screw up our impressions on a lot of guys in the minors. If someone like Fedun got to play with Schultz on the OKC PP, his point totals could be unrealistically high – especially passing it up to guys like Hall. Meanwhile, Pitlick could languish on the 3rd line.

  9. raventalon40 says:

    Woodguy: By all accounts Pitlick isn’t afraid to use his size to his advantage, and neither is SImmonds.

    That’s music to my ears.

  10. raventalon40 says:

    Cactus:
    Woodguy,

    You make a good point about lockout effects.If this thing were to stretch until the beginning of January, that could screw up our impressions on a lot of guys in the minors.If someone like Fedun got to play with Schultz on the OKC PP, his point totals could be unrealistically high – especially passing it up to guys like Hall.Meanwhile, Pitlick could languish on the 3rd line.

    It’s pretty sad that we’ve resigned ourselves to the inevitability of a lockout now, and I’ve given way to what fits the team might give to defenders at the AHL level.

    What a way to burn a good year on an ELC though. Sheesh.

    Given what the team make-up is right they could even mix up the lines and have 4 scoring lines at the AHL level!

    Cornet – Green – Eberle
    Hall – Arcobello – Keller
    MPS – Pitlick – Tyrvainen
    Tremblay – VVV – Hamilton
    Lander
    Petrell
    Grant
    Martindale

    We could mix it up further and switch Hall and Tremblay and just roll them evenly because as that sits right now those first three lines are 1A-1A-1A and the fourth line is more like a 1B.

    Nugent-Hopkins would have to go back to junior though (and obviously Yakupov).

    Another bonus is that some of these guys are still WJC eligible.

    So that means if they wanted to go, Hopkins and Yakupov would be eiligible still.

  11. raventalon40 says:

    raventalon40: It’s pretty sad that we’ve resigned ourselves to the inevitability of a lockout now, and I’ve given way to what fits the team might give to defenders at the AHL level.

    What a way to burn a good year on an ELC though. Sheesh.

    Given what the team make-up is right they could even mix up the lines and have 4 scoring lines at the AHL level!

    Cornet – Green – Eberle
    Hall – Arcobello – Keller
    MPS – Pitlick – Tyrvainen
    Tremblay – VVV – Hamilton
    Lander
    Petrell
    Grant
    Martindale

    We could mix it up further and switch Hall and Tremblay and just roll them evenly because as that sits right now those first three lines are 1A-1A-1A and the fourth line is more like a 1B.

    Nugent-Hopkins would have to go back to junior though (and obviously Yakupov).

    Another bonus is that some of these guys are still WJC eligible.

    So that means if they wanted to go, Hopkins and Yakupov would be eiligible still.

    And I managed to forget Harski somehow.

  12. Truth says:

    raventalon40,

    How come RNH would have to go back to Junior? Pitlick and Hamilton played in the AHL last year, their second year following being drafted.

  13. raventalon40 says:

    Truth:
    raventalon40,

    How come RNH would have to go back to Junior?Pitlick and Hamilton played in the AHL last year, their second year following being drafted.

    I was under the impression that you had to be age 20 by December 31st of the season in question. http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2010/04/21/from-the-inbox/

  14. WeridAl says:

    OKC last year needed to make the playoffs and the Barons had too many LW and C. This resulted in Pitlick and Hamilton seeing little ice time. According to Nelson he see’s Pitlick more of a RW power forward. If you had a chance to see him play, this kid has speed to burn and loves the physical game. In some ways he’s more physical then Hartikainen. The reason he was rushed to the AHL was because he wasn’t going to play C with the Tigers and the Oilers are still hoping he could be that 2nd line C in the future. This kid is still learning and there is no question he’s a top 6 player.

    Someone should have his head examined to think he will be a 3rd line player.

  15. Truth says:

    raventalon40,

    Thanks! I have heard that RNH thing before and inquired but didn’t get an answer. He would tear up the WHL, unfortunately that would almost be a lost season. I can’t see how playing against kids again after being pretty solid in the best league in the world will help his development. Lucky for Red Deer.

  16. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    I’m hoping Pitlick can become someone like Wayne Simmonds.

    They had similar 19year old years in the CHL:

    Simmonds: 60gp 33g 42a 75pts 1.25pts/gm
    Pitlick 54gp 27g 35a 62pts 1.15pts/gm

    Simmonds went on to play in the NHL in his 20 year old year and has become a 35-45pt guy with some crusty-gritty-jam to his game.

    Pitlick’s 20 year old year was a far cry from Simmonds, but his draft pedigree and past success indicate he could catch up.

    LAK threw SImmonds into the fire in his rookie year and he had the 5th most 5v5 TOI/gm for the Kings that year.(subsequent years he was 6th and 7th ESTOI/gm for LAK and 5th last year with PHI)

    Like LT, I think this year will tell us much more about Pitlick than last year (unless there is a long lockout and Pitlick is stuck behind some wonderkids in OKC)

    SImmonds is 6’2 185lbs
    Pitlick is 6’2 195lbs

    Simmonds is considered a “power forward” isn’t he?

    Sure, but Simmonds (and Lucic) routinely have/had over 100pims per season. Pitlick had fewer than 30 iirc in OKC last season. Either he’s the world’s smarted PF, or as Jim Byers suggests he is a physical player but not the sort of guy we would associate with this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2AMdBpaA40

  17. justDOit says:

    raventalon40,

    I would like to see the Oil Kings go after Yakupov’s junior rights, in case of a lockout. It might not take much to get them, although this may have been a wiser idea in early July than now.

  18. dessert1111 says:

    raventalon40: Given what the team make-up is right they could even mix up the lines and have 4 scoring lines at the AHL level!

    Cornet – Green – Eberle
    Hall – Arcobello – Keller
    MPS – Pitlick – Tyrvainen
    Tremblay – VVV – Hamilton
    Lander
    Petrell
    Grant
    Martindale

    We could mix it up further and switch Hall and Tremblay and just roll them evenly because as that sits right now those first three lines are 1A-1A-1A and the fourth line is more like a 1B.

    Tremblay and Grant are both on other AHL teams now. I’ll miss Tremblay, he’s a quality player.

  19. Mr DeBakey says:

    This kid is still learning and there is no question he’s a top 6 player.
    Someone should have his head examined to think he will be a 3rd line player.

    I took your advice & called my Doctor.
    He was able to see me this morning.
    He did the exam and found nothing.
    I hope you’re satisfied.

    Fanboy-ism aside, Pitlick appears to have the tools to be an NHL winger
    At this point not a Center
    Lets all hope he takes that big step this coming season
    And one next year, and another the season after.

    More NHL games than Brad Winchester is the goal.

  20. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Can shield the puck and work it down low, but often gives it up due to his eagerness to come off the wall and attempt to dance around defenders. Work in progress defensively – will come back deep and battle for the puck but lacks awareness in coverage assignments.

    That sounds like neither a centre nor the next Fernando Pisani. Mind you, San Fernando was 26 before he ever took a shift in the NHL, so such comps are way premature.

    I like this prospect quite a lot but there’s no point in casting him as something he isn’t. Three coaches in a row have moved him from centre to wing, largely to simplify defensive assignments in his own zone as well as to maximize his strengths (speed, forechecking, shot) in the o-zone.

  21. Cactus says:

    It`s off the Pitlick topic, but Michael Grange of Sportsnet as an interesting proposal for dealing with the current labour dispute:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/magazine/2012/08/16/fixing_nhl_crisis_in_five_easy_steps/

    Point 2 is especially compelling.

  22. vishcosity says:

    Cactus,

    Nice read. Got me thinking. Say I worked for Woodguy, under contract for say $60K/year, and one day he told me that the owner had, with all the other wood company owners, decided that they were going to stop selling wood for a while and thus he and I had to go home until further notice. In that situation, would we still be owed our salary?

    Do players agree to something in their deals to let such happen? I don’t understand why owners are allowed to collectively agree to not pay contractual obligations to employees.

  23. Ducey says:

    TSN did their contest of who is better (under 26)? Eberle and Hall are head to head in the final.

    Doesn’t necessarily show these two are the best players, but it sure shows Oiler fans rock the internet.

  24. Mr DeBakey says:

    As you all know, there is a 31st overall pick each and every NHL draft.
    Lets take a look at GP & Pts for players drafted 31st
    Starting with 1995 andG Laraque, continuing with the next 9 drafts:
    ………….Player……… – Pos – GP – Pts
    Johannes Salmonsson W - 0 - 0
    Danny Richmond……. D - 49 - 3
    Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers G - 62 - 4
    Matthew Spiller……….. D - 68 - 2
    Ilja Nikulin…………….. D - 0 - 0
    Charlie Stephens…….. C - 8 - 2
    Artem Chubarov…….. C - 228 - 58
    Jeff Zehr………………. L - 4 - 0
    Remi Royer………….. D – 18 - 0
    Georges Laraque…… L – 695 - 153

  25. Ryan says:

    vishcosity,

    Don’t quote me, but doesn’t it have to do with the player’s contracts being tied to a cba?

  26. justDOit says:

    Cactus:
    It`s off the Pitlick topic, but Michael Grange of Sportsnet as an interesting proposal for dealing with the current labour dispute:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/magazine/2012/08/16/fixing_nhl_crisis_in_five_easy_steps/

    Point 2 is especially compelling.

    Agreed – an excellent article. I was most surprised in saying that I read something worthwhile on sportsnet.

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