OKC BARONS ROSTER VERY DEEP

The NHL Oilers sent down a massive part of their future yesterday, and if all that talent actually plays in Oklahoma it’ll be a bargain season ticket for the ages.

 THE ROSTER

The Barons roster may consist of three different elements:

  • Barons’ signed AHL veterans–Josh Green, Dan Ringwald, Teigan Zahn.
  • “veteran players”–Yann Danis, Alex Plante, Dane Byers, Tanner House.
  • the rest.

It’s “the rest” that we should be focused on, because coach Todd Nelson and his staff are going to have some tough decisions. Some pretty high draft picks could be headed for Stockton.

CURRENT ESTIMATED DEPTH CHART

LD

Dan Ringwald

Teigan Zahn

Martin Marincin

Brandon Davidson

G

Yann Danis

Olivier Roy

Tyler Bunz

RD

Alex Plante

Colten Teubert

Justin Schultz

Taylor Fedun

LW

Teemu Hartikainen

Dane Byers

Magnus Paajarvi

Phil Cornet

Curtis Hamilton

Kristians Pelss

C

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

Josh Green

Anton Lander

Chris VandeVelde

Tanner House

Ryan Martindale

RW

Jordan Eberle

Mark Arcobello

Tyler Pitlick

Antti Tyrvainen

Cameron Abney

Toni Rajala

It looks to me as though the Barons might want to add a veteran puck mover (LH); they might move Plante over to left side but that still doesn’t give them an established AHL 2-way defender.

Up front, the 1line will be insane for this level no matter who they play on LW. I kind of like the idea of an ‘AHL vet’ 2line as represented above by Green-Byers-Arcobello and Pitlick with the two Swedes would make sense.

I don’t see how Curtis Hamilton makes this team. House can hang around as an extra forward, but Hamilton? No way.

 STOCKTON

LD G: Tyler Bunz RD
LW

Curtis Hamilton

Kristians Pelss

CRyan Martindale RWCameron Abney

Toni Rajala

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51 Responses to "OKC BARONS ROSTER VERY DEEP"

  1. Woodguy says:

    It looks to me as though the Barons might want to add a veteran puck mover (LH)

    Either there is something in the water at Oilers HQ or its genetic.

    Also,

    Pitlick can’t catch a break.

    Lots of minutes in a feature role in the AHL is what he needs right now and he’s getting shoved down the chart into the same role he had last year.

    Might hurt his development.

  2. Woodguy says:

    So has the AHL allowed for expanded rosters or is there going to be a pile of AHL guys in the ECHL and other feeder leagues?

  3. Lowetide says:

    WG: Not sure, the NHL will change the rules or not based on whim. I can see a few prospects going down there (Stockton) just to play.

  4. mumbai max says:

    Winners – Hartikainen, Paajarvi, OKC Fans

    Losers – Everyone else

  5. PerryK says:

    Hamilton needs to play! Why can’t he play instead of Cornet? Cornet may have some trade value.

    Also, Byers being the designated Hitter (4th line would work!), can’t we move PRV in to that spot and Hamilton with Lander?

  6. serum114 says:

    Hamilton raking in the ECHL for a few months may not actually be the worst thing IMO.

    Also, if Pitlick can indeed occupy the wing alongside Magnus and Anton (brilliant name for a Scandanavian slapstick duo) that could be a perfect spot for him. He’ll need to refine the two-way part of his game to be effective in the NHL in a support role IMO, so I don’t think it’s an awful scenario for him.

  7. Clay says:

    I’m a glass half full type (usually), and if there’s a major positive to the lockout, it’s that Hall can afford to now really take the time he needs to get that shoulder to 100%. No pressure to rush back, whether that pressure be self-imposed or from above. It also doesn’t hurt his recently scrambled brain to have the time off. 10 years down the road, this lockout could prove to have been the best thing for his career.

    Here’s to hoping the Barons do a few more trips North to do the “home and home” games against the Heat. Went to the one last year and really enjoyed the quality of hockey for bargain basement prices.

    Although, if the lockout is on, my guess is any AHL games at Rexall or the Saddledome will be near NHL prices.

  8. oilersfan says:

    I have a question totally off topic but I think this is the place to ask:

    How much actual money did RNH make last season? I know his base salary and his top end bonus, but which bonuses did he get to make up his total income? Is there any way to find that out?

    Also, the same for Hall for his first two seasons . Any way to find that out?

    Not one article in the blogosphere about either one, according to google.

  9. Ryan says:

    How long is this lockout projected to last?

    Somewhere in the back of my mind, there’s a Robbie Schemp quote about soggy subs and diesel fumes.

    What’s up with the Katz arena project? Let me get this straight… First he was piutting up something like $100 m in capital to fund the project. Then he turned that capital into basically what amounts to a lease agreement over 30-35 years at $5.5 m per year or so. Now he wants a $6 m per year subsidy. That’s just brilliant. All I want to know is why the city won’t pay me $500k per year and build me a $450 m dollar arena where I keep 100% of the revenue.

  10. godot10 says:

    Progress in young players is not necessarily linear. Curtis Hamilton might have figured the AHL game out mentally over the summer.

    The players whose roles might have been compromised the most if Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle are there are Cornet and Arcobello, who are smallish effective AHL players, but are not top tier NHL prospects. You have to have some big bodies in an AHL lineup.

    Hartikainen and Paajarvi were pretty dominant during the playoffs last year together. Byers might be better protection for Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle. At even strength, Nelson might balance out the lines (with Hartikainen, Paajarvi, and Pitlick sharing two spots on the #1 PP with Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, and Schultz.)

    Byers, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle
    Paajarvi, Green, Hartikainen
    Cornet, Lander, Pitlick
    Hamilton, Vandevelde, Tyrvainen
    House, Arcobello, Abney

    #1 PP Hartikainen, Nugent-Hopkins, Pitlick, with Eberle and Schultz on the points.

  11. jp says:

    serum114:
    Hamilton raking in the ECHL for a few months may not actually be the worst thing IMO.

    Also, if Pitlick can indeed occupy the wing alongside Magnus and Anton (brilliant name for a Scandanavian slapstick duo) that could be a perfect spot for him. He’ll need to refine the two-way part of his game to be effective in the NHL in a support role IMO, so I don’t think it’s an awful scenario for him.

    Agreed, a half season in Stockton to hopefully rediscover his scoring touch wouldn’t hurt Hamilton one bit.

    And Pitlick getting solid 3rd line minutes with almost NHL calibre linemates in an improved AHL wouldn’t be such a bad thing either.

    PerryK:
    Hamilton needs to play!Why can’t he play instead of Cornet?Cornet may have some trade value.

    Also, Byers being the designated Hitter (4th line would work!), can’t we move PRV in to that spot and Hamilton with Lander?

    Hamilton does need to play, which is why he’ll almost certainly go to Stockton. He’s no where close to earning a spot on OKC based on merit, and trading guys to make room for him to play on the 3rd line would just be silly. If he goes to Stockton and starts out 20-12-18-30, they’ll find space for him in OKC.

    And Dane Byers has been a consistent 45-55 point AHL player. He also happens to be tough. If we see him on a 4th line, it’s more likely to be in the NHL than the AHL.

  12. oilersfan says:

    how is Teigan Zahn ahead of Marincin on any depth chart? I know he is a couple of years older but he projects to be a career minor league player, Marincin may be a top 4 guy in the NHL. Zahn has zero pro experience, why would he be ahead of Marincin? Because he is 2 years older and played in the CIS? Who cares? Marincin is a high draft pick with a much higher ceiing, who the org will want a push from.

    No way Zahn is ahead of Marincin.

  13. oilersfan says:

    Please, I am hoping people see my question about real money earned by RNH and Hall the last two years. Really curious. The cap hit number and the base salary number are often quoted but nobody anywhere has dug into the real dollar earnings for either RNH or Hall either season.

    Since there is not much else to talk about any answer would be greatly appreciated.

    I go to Cap geek and it gives the two numbers but I can’t find any breakdown on what the performance bonuses are based on.

  14. Lowetide says:

    I’m not sure that has ever been made available. Oilersfan. There are all kinds of options–Calder, etc–so we assume Nuge and Hall did not cash all of them. However, I’ve never seen a breakdown.

  15. Lowetide says:

    Klefbom is listed in the starting lineup for Farjestad today.

  16. oilersfan says:

    well, LT, maybe that would be a topic for an article?

    Would be curious to know what the bonus criteria is. I know Calder is on there, but what about being nominated? How about making the playoffs? Or being the top point getter on the team? 20 goals? 30 goals? 50 points? I think things like that are all in there and I thought the CoppernBlue wrote about Hall’s criteria once but now I can’t find it.

  17. jp says:

    LT, are you going to do a RE series for OKC players? It would be very interesting given how much we’ll be focusing on them this season. We’re obviously going to be disappointed with the numbers some of these guys put up this year – there’s only so much TOI/PP TOI to go around…

    For instance, it’s hard to see Pitlick getting a lot of PP TOI as part of this group. 15-15-30 with solid 3rd line minutes and a positive +/- might have to be considered a somewhat successful season. If he could somehow find his way into the top 6 and earn regular PP time that would be a huge success.

  18. Lowetide says:

    oilersfan:
    well, LT, maybe that would be a topic for an article?

    Would be curious to know what the bonus criteria is.I know Calder is on there, but what about being nominated? How about making the playoffs? Or being the top point getter on the team? 20 goals? 30 goals? 50 points? I think things like that are all in there and I thought the CoppernBlue wrote about Hall’s criteria once but now I can’t find it.

    But we don’t know what dollars are attached. Has anyone ever read anythnig about what Hall would have gotten for the Calder? I don’t think teams release that kind of thing.

  19. Lowetide says:

    JP: No plans to do an OKC RE revised, although if we get to OCT and there’s interest then maybe.
    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/08/okc-re-12-13-tyler-pitlick.html

  20. oilersfan says:

    fwiw i found this post on HF about Hall two years ago posted by Jadeddog:

    all players have the same performance bonuses, and they are based on the position they play (different bonuses for forwards than goalies, obviously)

    for rookie forwards they are:

    - ice time (being in top-6 for your team)
    - goals (20)
    - assists (35)
    - point (60)
    - points per game (0.73)
    - plus/minus (top-3 on team)
    - selected to all-rookie team
    - selected to all-star team
    - all-star game MVP

    there are also some league wide bonuses that can be paid out (winning league awards, finishing top-10 in scoring, etc)

  21. jp says:

    Lowetide,

    Fair enough. Would be great if some of the focus comes off of the Barons in the near future…

    PS – Pitlick is no longer “the most interesting prospect in the minors”. :)

  22. oilersfan says:

    seems like there are about 10 -11criteria. Maybe each one is worth roughly $250,000. I wonder if Nuge qualified for being nominated for the Calder. I believe they both made the all-rookie team. Hall got 20 goals both seasons. He got more than .73 points his second season. So that should add about half a million per season.

    NUge didnt get the goals, assists or pointes totals due to injury but did get the .73 ppg, the all rookie team and the calder nominee.

    I am mostly curious because I know Nuge’s family didn;t have a lot of money and I hope he made a ton. He cleary will but it would be nice to know he did ok his rookie season as who knows how much he will make this year in the AHL for the first 20 games or so.

  23. spoiler says:

    oilersfan:
    seems like there are about 10 -11criteria. Maybe each one is worth roughly $250,000. I wonder if Nuge qualified for being nominated for the Calder. I believe they both made the all-rookie team. Hall got 20 goals both seasons. He got more than .73 points his second season. So that should add about half a million per season.

    NUge didnt get the goals, assists or pointes totals due to injury but did get the .73 ppg, the all rookie team and the calder nominee.

    I am mostly curious because I know Nuge’s family didn;t have a lot of money and I hope he made a ton. He cleary will but it would be nice to know he did ok his rookie season as who knows how much he will make this year in the AHL for the first 20 games or so.

    Just going off memory here, but isn’t there a bonus schedule in the former CBA?

  24. Lowetide says:

    Klefbom with 3 minutes TOI and a +1 through the first 11 minutes.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Through 1 period, Klefbom is 2nd in D TOI (7:11) with a shot and a plus 1.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Throug 2 periods, 16:10 and leading D in TOI 2 shots and +1 Very nice.

  27. blackdog says:

    Pronman tweeted that Oskar led the D in TOI for the game, 26 minutes plus I believe.

    Very good.

  28. Lowetide says:

    25:17 according to the game sheet but the game just ended. Even on the game 2 shots, played a TON!

  29. OilLeak says:

    Lowetide:
    25:17 according to the game sheet but the game just ended. Even on the game 2 shots, played a TON!

    Such a relief to see Kelfbom playing a lot, if he averaged another 13 mins a night this season I think he would be more firmly planted in the “bust” category instead of the top of the Oiler prospect list.

  30. Adam Dyck says:

    What do we make of Hall not going down? Is it injury-related? Is he planning to go to Europe while his pals ride buses across the American midwest?

  31. blackdog says:

    Adam, its injury related. He will actually get paid (I believe, correct me if I’m wrong but I’ll eat a bug if I am) until he’s cleared.

    I would imagine once he’s cleared then he’ll go down to OKC. Considering the effort to give these guys the same contracts essentially they’re not going to send Eberle down but not Hall.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Pat’s right, but don’t tell him and then find a dung beetle.

  33. DSF says:

    Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov

    #KHL Neftekhimik General Director says Nail Yakupov may play for the club as early as Wednesday. (via SovSport) #Oilers

  34. Adam Dyck says:

    Thanks for the answer. Too bad for Hall and Eberle that the lockout occurs just before they hit their one-way deals.

  35. Mr DeBakey says:

    Hamilton needs to play! Why can’t he play instead of Cornet? Cornet may have some trade value.

    And

    how is Teigan Zahn ahead of Marincin on any depth chart? I know he is a couple of years older but he projects to be a career minor league player

    Don’t forget, OKC needs to win some games.
    Its will be a tougher league this year [the ECHL too]
    Veterans rule!

  36. Kris11 says:

    LT,

    Do you think they might loan Hamilton to an AHL team that would give him more ice time? Or is that crazy talk?

    I imagine the ECHl and the AHL will be tougher this year, so I’m sure the team might not mind sending Davidson, Marincin, Byers, and Fedun (just while he recovers his game) to play a lot in the ECHL. And they can dump an AHL vet like Zahn or Green (or a low value prospect like Cornet) to another team or off to nowhere if every prospect looks amazing and healthy (unlikely).

    But Hamilton needs minutes against the toughest comp he can get. He is just getting okay at playing AHL minutes, so sending him down to the ECHl all season (possible given what is in front of him) seems like a bad idea. Loaning him away doesn’t seem that awful to me.

  37. Kris11 says:

    I think Yakupov in the KHL during the lockout is awesome. Gets to play at home, be with family, play against pros (tough league, now more than ever.)

    Does his playing a year or a half-year in the KHL increase the probability that he will never come to the NHL or that he will go back to the KHL? Not much, IMO. But a really shitty deal for the players in terms of future salaries could make a difference in the likelihood Yakupov (and o ther young Russians) bolt.

    The NHL needs to remember that the KHL could start grabbing a star or two, especially young Russians who earn little on ELC’s, if they hammer the players too hard. (More generally, if you get the salaries low enough, you also make it more feasible -though not that likely yet- that someone will create a small competing league that poaches your players.)

  38. jake70 says:

    Good to see Klefbomb getting some minutes. And Rajala is back in the mix? Thought I saw his name on the 26 man assignment list.

    Oh, I just saw the first NHLPA tv commercial aimed at fans. The league put out a statement as well today. Ridiculous stuff. One thing is certain at the end this BS is there won’t be any rollback in ticket prices for all these fans they seem so concerned about. Of course, in some rinks lowering ticket prices would mean a fan receiving money to enter the rink.

  39. gcw_rocks says:

    If the Oilers have any interest in Hamilton, Martindale, and Pitlick developing this year, they would be better off flushing Byers, Green and Arcobello down to stockton. None of the three are needed with RNH and Eberle on the team.

    I don’t see why they would send Eberle down. He’s not going to gain anything from playing down there, and he it taking ice time from Pitlick.

  40. OilLeak says:

    gcw_rocks:
    If the Oilers have any interest in Hamilton, Martindale, and Pitlick developing this year, they would be better off flushing Byers, Green and Arcobello down to stockton.None of the three are needed with RNH and Eberleon the team.

    I don’t see why they would send Eberle down.He’s not going to gain anything from playing down there, and he it taking ice time from Pitlick.

    Yeah because the best way to develop players is making sure they’re handed jobs as opposed to earning them.

  41. B S says:

    gcw_rocks,

    gcw_rocks:
    If the Oilers have any interest in Hamilton, Martindale, and Pitlick developing this year, they would be better off flushing Byers, Green and Arcobello down to stockton.None of the three are needed with RNH and Eberleon the team.

    I don’t see why they would send Eberle down.He’s not going to gain anything from playing down there, and he it taking ice time from Pitlick.

    And where is Eberle supposed to play? it’s a lockout remember, so the only serious options are the AHL and KHL. Personally I’d rather see him knock Pitlick down to the ECHL than taking some rickety soviet era KHL charter. I like Pitlick, but Eberle is a more important part of the Oilers moving forward.

  42. jp says:

    gcw_rocks:
    If the Oilers have any interest in Hamilton, Martindale, and Pitlick developing this year, they would be better off flushing Byers, Green and Arcobello down to stockton.None of the three are needed with RNH and Eberleon the team.

    I don’t see why they would send Eberle down.He’s not going to gain anything from playing down there, and he it taking ice time from Pitlick.

    Well, it keeps Eberle playing against decent competition. Also within the Oilers system and with current/future teammates. The only other options are for him to sit or try to find a team in Europe. Pitlick will still play, though it will be further down the lineup. Hamilton and Martindale certainly haven’t shown they’re any more than bit AHL players yet. I see no problem with having them start in the ECHL, prove they’re too good for that league and then move up. Injuries will happen, and room can be made if/when they show they can dominate that league.

    Byers, Green and Arcobello are there to make the team better. Having a championship calibre team is good for almost everyone (save the players that don’t get to play on it), and OKC is a lot better with those 3 than without them. I guess you could say they’re not “needed”, but they do serve a purpose, and I don’t think their presence is going to have a very big impact on the development of the young guys.

    Lowetide:
    25:17 according to the game sheet but the game just ended. Even on the game 2 shots, played a TON!

    Great to see him playing lots, and apparently well!

  43. Kris11 says:

    Guys not assigned to the AHL can play in the othe Euro leagues, too, a la 2004. No?

  44. Schitzo says:

    Not sure if the spam filter ate my last post, but short version re: rookie bonuses is read Exhibit 5 of the 2004 CBA.

  45. russ99 says:

    godot10,

    Byers is 4th line material at best, and hopefully Ebs and RNH don’t need “protection” in the AHL.

    Byers, Arcobello and Green are a good AHL checking line.

  46. Dalton says:

    russ99: Byers is 4th line material at best, and hopefully Ebs and RNH don’t need “protection” in the AHL.

    Byers, Arcobello and Green are a good AHL checking line.

    The AHL is nearly as rough and tumble as the NHL, and why? Because that’s where all of the slow skating big huge guys play, and many play tough because that’s their ticket to moving up. So protection is a valid consideration in the AHL.

  47. gcw_rocks says:

    OilLeak,

    That’s one perspective. Another is, how the heck are they going to learn to play against touhger competition and get better if they never play? You beleive in the former, I beleive in the latter.

    For me, roles in the NHL should be based purely on competition. In development leagues, it should be based on learning. I don’t care if Byers is better than Hamilton right now. I want Hamilton to play, and as long as he is improving, he stays in. If he’s not, then I go to Byers.

  48. gcw_rocks says:

    B S,

    Frankly, I would rather see him in Sweden or Switzerland, where he can make more money and is probably less likely to get clocked by some goon who can barely skate. But hey, that’s just me.

  49. gcw_rocks says:

    jp,

    “Byers, Green and Arcobello are there to make the team better.” Sure, if no Eberle and RNH these are argueably necessary players for the team to be successful, but when you add two of the best forwards in the game, in my view these guys become less relevant. Who is going to score more, Eberle or Green? Who is a better playmaker, RNH or Arcobello?

    Pushing kids you are trying to develop down the depth chart doesn’t help, especially if you send them into California’s private hell.

  50. B S says:

    gcw_rocks,

    Sweden would actually be great, but SEL wants full year contracts so it’s a no-go. The Swiss league just doesn’t compare in terms of quality of competition to any of the previously named leagues and Ebs is still developing as a player so I’d like him to be up against the best competition he can find. Unfortunately a lockout like this inherently pushes your young minor league players down the depth chart. Given those circumstances I’d like to see those that get a major reduction in ice time, who aren’t career minor leaguers get more ice time in a weaker league, while our young stars keep the rust off in the AHL until NHL hockey starts again.

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