BARONS V STARS 28.10.12

Photos courtesy of Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved. I’m a big fan of math but have always listened to the words of men who played the game. The hockey players I’ve talked to over the years value the job of enforcer or policeman highly; it sets a tone and sends a message. Hockey has no “brush back” pitch but the messages are sent all the same. Colten Teubert’s reaction to Justin Schultz’s treatment by Houston the other night is one of the main reasons they got him. When he can play at pace in the NHL, there’s little doubt the Oilers will call him up.

I’m not a fan of fighting in hockey–not at this point. There’s too much evidence now showing these men are doing long term damage to each other and the idea of me enjoying a sport that shortens someone’s life span does not appeal to me. That said, the NHL sees fit to allow the practice, and the players themselves value the role.

Colten Teubert’s show on Friday night is a good arrow. A very good arrow for his future.

Lots of talk about Teemu Hartikainen being a “power forward” now, and this article even has Teemu himself talking about his style of play.

  • Hartikainen: “I don’t have to be a 100-point player. Of course, I have to score goals. I’m on the power play. But that’s not the biggest thing. It’s to stand in front (of the net) and try and get the goalie’s eyes off the puck, drive to the net, hit hard.”

I think that’s what we’ve seen from the beginning–certainly his draft day information reflects those words–and in my opinion we’ve seen Hartikainen as being a possible solution to an ongoing problem from the start. In the draft summary that year, I wrote the following:

  • This is the type of player who can get somewhere from this point in the draft. Good size and strength combination, he has feet of clay but some pluck and desire. Finns seem to be genetically predisposed to playing well in the North American style and based on his resume this fellow would seem like a worthy candidate.

The article I linked to above implies the player himself wasn’t sure of what he was supposed to do:

  • Hartikainen: “I’ve been playing that way all my life. But when I came over here, I didn’t know how I should play. Do I need to score a lot of points and be a really good player in the stats? Now I know.”

If we made a list of prospects over the years who got lost along the way because of a misunderstanding in role it would be endless. I remember Paul Coffey tell an ITV audience as a rookie that he now understood his role was to be a defensive defenseman (!!!!) and last night’s HNIC broadcast of the March 29, 1980 Oilers-Leafs game showed several youngsters finding their way. Lowe was chasing the puck on the first goal, Messier roared down the wing but nothing really happened, Dave Hunter was on the wrong side of the puck a lot.

I think Hartikainen’s early season OKC success (he’s the leading scorer among forwards) has a lot to do with the guys he’s playing with, but if there was a disconnect in there and he feels more comfortable now that’s all good news for Oiler fans. For me, the only issue has been foot speed and he’s improved that since arriving in North America. Good arrows for Teemu too.

YEAR OVER YEAR, BY DISCIPLINE

  • Hartikainen 11-12 6, 3-2-5 E
  • Evens 6, 2-1-3
  • On powerplay 6, 1-1-2
  • Hartikainen 12-13 6, 2-5-7 E
  • Evens 6, 1-4-5
  • On powerplay 6, 1-1-2

Six games into the season, I think Hartikainen looks like the same player as last year–albeit one playing in better company. I believe he’s ready for his 650 NHL at-bats.

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  1. Smidpet says:

    LT,

    You mentioned in an earlier post about a veteran D-man for the Barons, maybe with Arcobello mentioned in a trade. My knowledge of other team’s AHL D-men is limited at best, can you throw out a few suggestions.

    Also, with the Islanders making the announcement on Wednesday that they were moving to Brooklyn, I don’t think people even realized around here. Nobody has said a word.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Smidpet: I’d think someone like Exelby in Providence, Scott Ford in Peoria, Danny Syvret in Adirondack.

    As for the Islanders, good for them. Glad that got solved and I’m sure Nassau Council feels the pressure is off after what seems like 20 years of negotiating.

  3. Matt.N says:

    If the best use for Teemu is in the top six as a complimentary player, how does the future depth chart at LW stack up?

    Hall
    Teemu
    MPS

    I’m not using Smitty here because he won’t be around come playoff time.

    This makes me think more and more that Teemu is going to be taking MPS spot in the top 6. Can MPS be worked into a 3rd line role?

  4. RexLibris says:

    Matt.N,

    I was wondering the same thing. But there is a chance that Hall moves to center, in which case this team may be starting with Paajarvi, Hartikainen and then casting about for their Luc Robitaille.

    LT,

    I can’t say that I’d be very excited about seeing Syvret come back, but would he be a better option than Chorney was last year?

  5. spoiler says:

    LW Depth chart…

    I expect Yak will start on the 3rd line, and Horc will tell him “don’t worry about D, we got your back”. This should provide an opportunity for Paajarvi and Harski to figure out who they best fit with at the NHL level. Role is unimportant, both will be expected not to bleed GA; iquestion will be matchups and what they can handle.

    Which makes the Yak thing tough, because now do you still give Horc the tough matchups and continue to shelter Ebs and Nuge?

    And eventually, some time after Bettman and Fehr get their shit together and maybe right away after, Smytty is going to find himself on the 4th line.

    I don’t think Ralphie has an easy job setting up lines.

    A tell will be when Hall returns. If they’re serious about running him at C, one would think they’d experiment with the idea at the AHL level.

  6. Lowetide says:

    I think it’ll be

    LW
    1. Hall
    2. Yakupov
    3. Smyth
    4. Hartikainen

    RW
    1. Eberle
    2. Hemsky
    3. Jones
    4. Paajarvi

    extras Eager, Hordichuk and Petrell (who might get sent out).

    when you ask a Hartikainen and Paajarvi to work on things, they do, and have success, not rewarding them tells everyone in the system you’re not paying attention. I also think a trade is quite possible, very possible.

  7. Matt.N says:

    In my limited viewing, Nail has been playing RW in the K. Amiright?

  8. Lowetide says:

    Matt: Yes, but coach Krueger said he’d like to have him on LW. Doesn’t mean a lot, they could change it up early, but going in he’s opposite Jari.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    What’s cool about this lockout is how Hartikainen looks to graduate as a top six power forward. Playing with the big boys at AHL level providing a dream like situation for the Oiler farmhands.

    Teubert also showing what he’s made of. And Lowetide, as for these millionaries possibly hurting themselves…please show me any job that comes without any potential for long term damage. You know, like roofers or something.

    Yakupov for what we’re seeing looks to join the Oilers as a potential superstar. I also doubt if they miss the playoffs in a strike shortened season either. I’m sure the Canucks/Kings can’t wait to open against them.

  10. spoiler says:

    Lowetide,

    Lol, I went to bed last night thinking TRADE!

    They were looking for a Dman before Sutton got hurt, they have to be doubly so now. And damn we have a lot of surplus bodies. Even non-surplus guys like Hemmer and Gagner might be dangled.

    I don’t think we’ll see Paajarvi at RW though. Off-wing is for shooters and he doesn’t have a great shot or a shoot-first instinct. And hasn’t he been playing LW in OKC? Just doesn’t make sense to me to put him there.

  11. Dipstick says:

    Lowetide:
    Matt: Yes, but coach Krueger said he’d like to have him on LW. Doesn’t mean a lot, they could change it up early, but going in he’s opposite Jari.

    I may be missing something, but I have seen him line up on the left side at times, especially in the neutral and defensive zones. I think that Krueger may do the same thing here. He seems to have very little difficulty in switching sides while attacking.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Plays right side wall on PP, I thought he was on RW at other times too. Have to pay closer attention.

  13. Dipstick says:

    Lowetide:
    Plays right side wall on PP, I thought he was on RW at other times too. Have to pay closer attention.

    I noticed that as well. Between him and RNH, that position on the PP is locked up.

  14. mps91 says:

    LT,

    Good article, but I have to disagree with one point. You mentioned that you didn’t think Hartikanen was driving things offensively on his line. While this may be the case when he’s paired with Ebs+Nuge, he has played much of the season on lines 2-4. From what I have seen in those games he has done things like take the puck out of the corner, and right to the net several times.

    I think thats a good sign, in that he does’t have to play on the top unit to create chances and put up some points.

  15. VOR says:

    If you are trading Arcobello – Binghampton Senators for Tyler Eckford (or Andre Benoit depending on what you are looking for exactly).

    Both guys still dream of NHL careers. Benoit is just too small and Eckford is too inconsistent. They can however move the puck and could partner with Teubert and improve the overall quality of the D in Oklahoma.

    But I have a stupid question, is there some reason we couldn’t sign a veteran (and free agent) NHL defenceman like Mike Commodore (just an example) to an AHL contract. There are quite a number of them not playing anywhere who if they sit out an entire year will probably never play NHL hockey again. With Sutton indicating he may be gone permanently we need another veteran NHL D and the right guy keeping his skills sharp in Oklahoma could be a good investment (Randy Jones maybe).

    I am guessing this is not allowed for some reason or every team would do it. I am just not sure why it wouldn’t be allowed. Guys like Jones, Mottau, Commodore etc. know they probably won’t catch on with an NHL team this year anyway and certainly not if they have sat on the shelf for an entire year.

  16. steveb12344 says:

    VOR,

    I don’t think there’s any rules against a free agent signing with the AHL.

    I would think alot of these guys at this point of thier careers aren’t too interested in spending a year toiling in the A for 60k or so.

  17. godot10 says:

    Arcobello is too critical to the Barons offense once the NHL lockout is over to trade him. He is a fully legit top six AHL forward/centre.

    If the NHL season is cancelled, then you can trade him, but until that happens, you really can’t, or you are solving one problem, by creating another one just as big.

  18. Kaiser Permanante Power Play says:

    Howdy y’all- anyone got a feed for this bad boy?

    Teubert- live by the sword, die by the sword. Remember how his pre-season ended last year- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vt2MMOgy4E&playnext=1&list=PL6892672F9603877A&feature=results_video

  19. Lowetide says:

    Best nick ever. EVER

  20. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide,

    Instead of trading for a veteran D for OKC… Why can’t they dig up Brian Helmer’s phone number? Is he playing anywhere currently?

  21. spoiler says:

    Stupid Eskimos.

  22. Lowetide says:

    They’re horrible. Beyond horrible. they’re horribible.

  23. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    They’re horrible. Beyond horrible. they’re horribible.

    As nightmarish as the past few years have been for the Oilers, there is a light at the end of the tunnel that isn’t an oncoming bullet train.

    The Eskimos for the past few years, on the other hand, have no clue where the bloody track even is.

    Stamps!!

  24. spoiler says:

    Stupid Eskimos.

  25. spoiler says:

    Giving this team a loaded gun would be considered homicide in some jurisdictions.

  26. spoiler says:

    I fell like I’m watching a looped video of the bike jump from Napoleon Dynamite.

  27. Lowetide says:

    Its pretty ugly. There are so many Eskimos fans and former players who are beside themselves, suspect something gets done.

  28. spoiler says:

    Why this kid hasn”t been QBing since Labour Day is beyond me.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Incredible. Incredible.

  30. spoiler says:

    Shortest Hail Mary of all time.

    Stamps is a god.

  31. crude says:

    I’m laughin’ a little every time I read this handle.

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play,

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play,

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play:
    Howdy y’all- anyone got a feed for this bad boy?

    Teubert- live by the sword, die by the sword. Remember how his pre-season ended last year- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vt2MMOgy4E&playnext=1&list=PL6892672F9603877A&feature=results_video

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play,

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play,

  32. striatic says:

    Hall, Gagner, Hemsky
    PRV/Harti/some other winner of the OKC Nugeberle LW Sweepstakes, Nuge, Eberle
    Smyth, Horc, Yak
    Jones, Belanger, Petrell

    Hall, Gagner and Hemsky will play more tough minutes along with Smyth, Horc and Yak in order to help shelter Nugeberle.

    There’s no good reason to move Yak from RW to LW in my opinion.

    He’s a shooter who works best at RW. Keep him there.

  33. Lowetide says:

    Per Eric Rodgers on twitter

    Hartikainen-RNH-Eberle
    Paajarvi-Arcobello-Pitlick
    Tyrvainen-Lander-Pelss
    Byers-VandeVelde-House

    Marincin-Schultz
    Davidson-Teubert
    Ringwald-Fedun

    Olivier Roy in net

    Scratched are Plante, Hamilton, Martindale, plus Green is still hurt.

    https://twitter.com/AHLBarons

  34. dessert1111 says:

    feed not working again :( Any suggestions?

  35. Lowetide says:

    Byers (Davidson, VandeVelde)

  36. spoiler says:

    RIngwald with a horrible giveaway.

  37. spoiler says:

    Schultz was pissed he didn”t get a point last goal.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Schultz (Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle) PP 2-1 OKC

  39. Oilanderp says:

    Buddy’s pretty good at getting the puck on (in) the net.

  40. Lowetide says:

    lol Cam Barker. Holy, that’s a fall from grace.

  41. Oilanderp says:

    I’ve got my TV turned up to 99 and I can still barely hear what the commentators are saying. If they ever fix the audio feed my TV is going to explode and jump through the wall. Anyone else experiencing this?

  42. spoiler says:

    Oilanderp:
    I’vegot my TV turned up to 99 and I can still barely hear what the commentators are saying.If they ever fix the audio feed my TV is going to explode and jump through the wall.Anyone else experiencing this?

    The audio sucks.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Good first period for the Barons there. Lots of time in the opposition end, impressive PP, even saw the secondary guys get some chances. Ringwald with the goat horns but that’s a solid period imo.

  44. wuthering says:

    Ringwald looks like a good 6-7 for Stockton.

    A buddy and I are going to OKC in a couple weeks to watch the Barons and play some golf. Never been there–anyone here have recommendations for OKC as far as golf, pubs, eateries?

  45. dessert1111 says:

    Thanks for the link! And yes, the audio has been terrible the last few games, hopefully it gets fixed soon but not in mid-game :)

  46. stevezie says:

    wuthering,

    Unless you hate basketball you should try to catch a Thunder game. One of the best, young, msot exciting teams.

  47. spoiler says:

    Antti with the anti-whiff. What a blast.

  48. Jesse says:

    I am really pulling for Roy, and he’s technically the same height as me, but after watching so much of goalies like Dubnyk, Smith, and Lundqvist, Roy looks kinda small for a potential NHL starter. I guess we’ll see if his talent level makes up for it (which is certainly possible).

  49. Oilanderp says:

    Uh oh, a goalie change. That spells doom!
    edit: Is that Jack Campbell?

  50. Rocknrolla says:

    Oilanderp,

    Same here!

  51. striatic says:

    schultz looked a bit weak on that one.

  52. spoiler says:

    Been getting out-played since the goalie change. Nice release by Eakin though.

  53. wuthering says:

    stevezie,
    Yeah, we are going on Sunday night! Though I’m not a big NBA guy, I appreciate good sports whenever wherever (to the chagrin of my wife)

  54. Rocknrolla says:

    wuthering,

    I hear that you may have a hard time getting Barons tickets….it’s been jammed in there lately since their big car giveaway promo…2 bills for sure for a good seat. Try stub hub.

    But seriously, try to get to a sooners football game!

  55. Rocknrolla says:

    Wow Schultz again!!!!!!!!

  56. spoiler says:

    He’s a machine.

  57. Ribs says:

    Jeebus. What kind of stick is this guy using. Magic!

  58. Lowetide says:

    Schultz (Paajarvi, Nugent-Hopkins). Hell, bring the whole damn team north.

  59. striatic says:

    it’s like whenever schultz plays a part in giving one up he becomes absolutely determined to get it back.

  60. Oilanderp says:

    Nice screen by Harski (thought it was him) in front.

  61. RickDeckard says:

    Forget RNH and Eberle, Schultz should be front and center in any OKC advertising this year.

  62. Lowetide says:

    At this point, the big 5 (Nuge-Ebs, Harski-Paajarvi and Schultz) have some clearance from the pack in terms of points. They’re all very close to a ppg except Schultz who has gone super nova.

    With Taylor Hall arriving next week I expect this to be the end of days.

  63. striatic says:

    Lowetide,

    granted, they appear to be getting so much more TOI than the rest that the others don’t have much of a chance.

  64. spoiler says:

    I’d say they’ve been better than us at EVs, but damn that’s a good PP.

    Tyrvainen having one of his best games so far.

    Was hoping Plante would be in tonight, so I could get a look at him Curious to now what Davidson’s TOI has been so far.

  65. spoiler says:

    Good to see Fedun back on the ice.

  66. stevezie says:

    To paraphrase Gershwin: How long can this keep going on? Obviously a rookie defenceman isn’t going to score 160 points… right?

  67. striatic says:

    looks like Teubert read your blog post : ]

  68. Jesse says:

    That was a real good save by Roy at the end of a tiring PP.

  69. Lowetide says:

    Ringwald is hockey for ‘turnover on the play.’

  70. Lowetide says:

    WHAT A SAVE BY ROY!

  71. spoiler says:

    Nice to see Paajarvi backing up his goalie there after the great save by Roy.

  72. spoiler says:

    Good read by Davidson there.

  73. Gerta Rauss says:

    Was that Ringwald with that turnover…right handed shot..?.you,me and the cameraman were convinced that puck was out and then the puck is shot on the net. Brutal.

  74. striatic says:

    stevezie:
    To paraphrase Gershwin: How long can this keep going on? Obviously a rookie defenceman isn’t going to score 160 points… right?

    that’s the thing to watch.

    he’s used to a much shorter college season and he’s logging a lot of miles so it’ll be interesting to see if he hits a wall or not.

  75. Kaiser Permanante Power Play says:

    Wow, this is great watching (aside from the horrible camera work). Roy looked sharp, Teubert doing what he needs to do (thankfully Eberle wasn’t hurt there…) and Schultz- guy can whip the biscuit. Interesting how the wrist shot is the new slap shot. Even Yakupov’s goals have been coming from accurate quick releases. Love it.

  76. striatic says:

    J. Schultz is riding a 22% shooting percentage, so he will most likely regress but even if we halve his goal total he’d still be 9 points in 7 games with 3 goals.

  77. Kaiser Permanante Power Play says:

    Thanks for the emphatic props my friend. haha!

    crude:
    I’m laughin’ a little every time I read this handle.

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play,

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play,

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play,

    Kaiser Permanante Power Play,

  78. Zack says:

    Anyone catch Teubert’s scrap? I heard the other guy threw a knee at Eberle and was chased down by Teubert. I’m liking this kid more and more.

  79. DSF says:

    Player A:

    NCAA defenseman….didn’t want to play for the team that drafted him.

    Final year in college: 36GP 16G 23A 39P 1.08 PPG

    Scores more than 50 percent of his points on The PP.

    Questionable defense at EV.

    Player B

    NCAA defenseman…didn’t want to play for the team that drafted him.

    Final year in college: 37GP 16G 28A 44P 1.18 PPG

    Scores more than 50 percent of his points on The PP.

    Questionable defense at EV.

    Who are we?

  80. PunjabiOil says:

    An insecure professional troll who lives on Vancouver Island.

    Who are we?

  81. jp says:

    DSF,

    A: Jack Johnson
    B : J Schultz

    And the point is?

  82. striatic says:

    DSF,

    Schultz’s “questionable defense at EV” leaves him second on OKC for +/-.

  83. PunjabiOil says:

    Funny how Schultz began to show “questionable defense at EV” after the Canucks didn’t land his services.

  84. stevezie says:

    DSF,

    If in three years Schultz’s D isn’t any better than JJ’s is now then it will be a concern. Of course, if his scoring is elite it will help to mitigate that.

  85. Deans123 says:

    David Musil looks to be a real talent. He is a fantastic shot blocker and is smart defensively. Could be a solid Dman

  86. Lowetide says:

    Oil Kings should trade for Musil.

  87. Deans123 says:

    If Reinhart ends up playing for the Islanders, the Oil Kings will desperately need a shut down guy like Musil. Even if Reinhart stays with Edmonton, Musil may be a draw with local fans.

  88. spoiler says:

    Re: Schultz

    From Pronman>s Top 100:

    1. Nail Yakupov, Right Wing, Edmonton Oilers
    2. Mikael Granlund, Center, Minnesota Wild
    3. Mikhail Grigorenko, Center, Buffalo Sabres
    4. Evgeny Kuznetsov, Center, Washington Capitals
    5. Jonathan Huberdeau, Left Wing, Florida Panthers
    6. Alexander Galchenyuk, Center, Montreal Canadiens
    7. Vladimir Tarasenko, Right Wing, St. Louis Blues
    8. Dougie Hamilton, Defense, Boston Bruins
    9. Ryan Strome, Center, New York Islanders
    10. Filip Forsberg, Right Wing, Washington Capitals
    11. Teuvo Teravainen, Left Wing, Chicago Blackhawks
    12. Justin Schultz, Defense, Edmonton Oilers
    13. Tim Erixon, Defense, Columbus Blue Jackets
    14. Brendan Smith, Defense, Detroit Red Wings
    15. Mika Zibanejad, Center, Ottawa Senators
    16. Jonas Brodin, Defense, Minnesota Wild
    17. Matt Dumba, Defense, Minnesota Wild
    18. Morgan Rielly, Defense, Toronto Maple Leafs
    19. Ryan Murray, Defense, Columbus Blue Jackets
    20. Sven Baertschi, Left Wing, Calgary Flames

    The second best defensive prospect plauing. That was written September 19 and there’s no way on this planet that any D prospect has passed him since then. Not that Pronman’s the be all and end all or anything, but I doubt few other experts would disagree.

    Not to mention, everybody would have loved to have taken Schultz this summer and every team would take him now. Only an idiot or a troll would try to intimate otherwise.

    That said, he>s riding a lot of “good things happen when you put the puck on the net luck. But also he’s playing with the best players he’s ever played with in his life, especially RNH, and Ebs. And especially on the powerplay.

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