OKC V LAKE ERIE 20.10.12

Photos courtesy of Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved. Even though it’s early, we might be seeing some benefits of the lockout for Oiler fans.

The tandem of Martin Marincin-Justin Schultz is stealing the early headlines with effective even strength and shorthanded play. Actually, they’re also scoring most of the goals–5 of the team’s first 9 have gone to Schultz and Marincin–and Oiler fans are positively giddy over effective youth on the blue.

We can’t get ahead of ourselves–this is not in fact the NHL (a former major league spread across North America)–but the AHL of 12-13 vintage is a good damn league and these young men are passing the test so far with more than a little success.

I follow Eric Rodgers and the Barons on twitter for the latest info, among the things we know from those sources are that Josh Green is day-to-day but more like a week (courtesy coach Todd Nelson), that Roy gets the start tonight and the scratches are Green, Arcobello, Ringwald, House and Abney.

Lineups from Barons twitter (C-L-R)

  • Nuge-Hartikainen-Eberle (Finn!)
  • Lander-Tyrvainen-Pitlick
  • VandeVelde-Paajarvi-Pelss
  • Martindale-Byers-Hamilton

The blue:

  • Marincin-Schultz
  • Davidson-Teubert
  • Fedun-Plante

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  1. Zack says:

    In other news Craig Button has rated McDavid’s (2015), “Ice Q” as off the charts (6/5) and everything else (Skating, Playmaking, Hands, Competitiveness) is a 5/5 except for his physicality. I know his rating system is purely subjective and only based off minimal live viewings but I’m wondering if this kid has generational talent in him or is this just another “new shiny tow” scenario?

    I think the BoA would have potential to be fully restored if the Flames got their hands on this kid, with the direction the Flames are going (slowly downwards) and with the potential of this young Oilers team I think Calgary is going to have to tank if they want to cheer for something in a couple years time. As much as I would like to see Feaster sp* eat his own words, “wandering the desert”, I would much rather see a healthy rivalry restored. While I’m at it, the cherry on top would be Iginla coming to the promising youthfulness of the Oilers so he can finally compete for the cup.

    Back to reality though, should be interesting to see how Roy does tonight, and from what I’ve seen Schultz has extremely offensive instincts – it would be nice to see him rack up the points too. Unfortuneatly I won’t be able to watch my first Barons game due to midterms, that’s one positive for the lockout, higher GPA.

  2. Jonathan Willis says:

    I’m not nearly as wild about Marincin as you are LT. The talent’s undeniable but he needs a lot of seasoning – his defensive game is a mess and Schultz has had to compensate for a lot so far.

    I like him as an NHL’er long-term, but I do wonder if he’ll get bumped back to second-pairing at some point, perhaps in favour of Fedun.

  3. Mr DeBakey says:

    Edmonton Oiler charged after Toronto bar fight
    http://tinyurl.com/9k878cl

  4. Lowetide says:

    From what I’ve seen of him so far, Marincin makes good decisions. The exception was in G1 in Cleveland where he pinched and it cost the game. After that, from what I’ve seen, he appears to be making good decisions.

    I’d argue the fact that he hasn’t been moved off the Schultz pairing is an indication that Nelson is pleased with his play. Paajarvi for instance was replaced by Josh Green on the top line with little hesitation.

    We’ll see. Marincin performed well in junior and WJ, and if he can play well in the AHL this season Marincin’s ETA might be Christmas or so next year.

  5. Jonathan Willis says:

    Lowetide,

    Well, I won’t belabour the point too much but I’ve seen it differently. Marincin goes walkabout far too often – looking for the big hit (as he did in G3) or looking for a scoring opportunity (which cost them in G1 and has been on display, IMO, in all three games).

    I like the talent but suspect it’ll take a while to file down the rough edges.

  6. jp says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Edmonton Oiler charged after Toronto bar fight
    http://tinyurl.com/9k878cl

    Nice. He won’t defend RNH though.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Jonathan: That’s fairly typical, though. I’m suggesting about 100 AHL games and Marincin will be ready. That’s quite a bit of time and many thousands of sorties.

  8. Hayek says:

    I have the opinion better to be a bit explosive and aggressive to start, and be able to tone it down as you mature, as opposed to vice-versa. So at least if Marincin is making these mistakes now, hopefully he can learn from them. If you are just a passive boring, in position defender, it’s often difficult to get noticed enough to earn an NHL spot.

    Overall, he probably needs to shift to that middle ground by the sound of it. I think we are all hoping he has the intelligence and drive to get there.

  9. Jonathan Willis says:

    Lowetide,

    Yeah, I guess we have similar outlooks (I’m suggesting at least two full AHL seasons, with call-ups as an injury guy) so we aren’t really differing here.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Yes, I think that’s fair. It should be the Oilers goal to have these guys play at least 2 full AHL seasons–especially the D.

  11. dessert1111 says:

    Anyone have a link? :(

  12. dessert1111 says:

    Nevermind! Started working

  13. striatic says:

    1-0 Barons .. great lateral puck movement from Martindale to Fedun to Hamilton to give Hamilton a wide open net to shoot at from the side of the circle.

  14. voxwah says:

    Teemu hits…Boom! Great to see.

  15. striatic says:

    i want the Barons to win.

  16. dessert1111 says:

    Anyone particular stand out in the first half of the period? So far to me Hartikainen looks good and Tyrvaninen to an extent too.

  17. striatic says:

    Davidson looked bad on that goal against, needed to tie up his guy.

    Teubert also poor there, as well as on the preceding play.

    who is standing out to me? Schultz as usual.

  18. dessert1111 says:

    Doesn’t surprise me about Davidson, him and Marincin have both looked to make a lot of mistakes but they’re both young. Although you can tell Marincin has a bigger skill set at this point. I wonder how Zahn is doing in the ECHL? I wonder if Ringwald doesn’t turn up him game if he’ll trade places with Zahn, or maybe even Davidson. Zahn looked good in the preseason to me and I was surprised he was sent down.

  19. striatic says:

    i think the idea is that Teubert is supposed to be helping Davidson along but it isn’t really working.

    You can’t pair Ringwald and Davidson though.

    Marincin, Schultz – Awesome
    Plante, Fedun – Very Good
    Teubert, Davidson/Ringwald – Meh

    unless one of Davidson or Ringwald step up, i wonder if Fedun or Plante drops down a pairing and Teubert is moved up a slot.

    Teubert just isn’t reliable enough to cover for the young pups.

  20. RexLibris says:

    Jonathan Willis,

    Sorry to barge in to the conversation, but I’m with Jonathan here. Also, I don’t think it is something the OIlers aren’t planning on either. Marincin spending two years learning his craft down in the AHL is hardly a bad thing (follows in the Detroit – Brendan Smith model) and potentially helps Martin Gernat adjust to the AHL as well. Given some of the stories I’ve heard about supporting these young men in their development and acclimation from overseas, I think it is plausible that it is the organization’s long-term plans anyway.

    Besides, what Marincin could do on the team by 2013-2014 is probably not much different than what a combination of Taylor Fedun and Colten Teubert could provide either. Giving him one more year takes him from being a 7th D to perhaps coming in as a 5th/4th D man, depending on the pairing.

    Then again I may be sniffing glue.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Guys, may I ask a question? WHERE did I say Marincin is ready? If I did, it was a misprint on my part. Honest! :-)

  22. striatic says:

    striatic:

    Teubert just isn’t reliable enough to cover for the young pups.

    and Ringwald is 26 so i clearly have no idea what i’m talking about with “young pups” .. but you get my point that Teubert can’t cover for the bubble players.

  23. dessert1111 says:

    I agree that Teubert isn’t being a good mentor to Davidson with his play. He’s not playing terrible but he’s playing like a bottom pairing guy to me. Fedun looks like the 2nd best defenseman to me though admittedly Marincin has higher upside. I don’t see why Fedun could make the NHL as a 6/7 guy instead of Teubert next year based on my personal viewings of both them.

  24. dessert1111 says:

    LT I think most of us are in agreement about Marincin it’s just that you’re more excited with him and the rest of us are impatient that’ll it’ll take him 2-3 years and possibly are secretly worried that maybe he’ll never learn the trade or be able to refine his game enough. It’s always nice to see a refined game even if we can’t expect it.

  25. striatic says:

    dessert1111:
    I don’t see why Fedun could make the NHL as a 6/7 guy instead of Teubert next year based on my personal viewings of both them.

    Fedun is a smaller guy and the Oilers would probably prefer a heavy hitter like Teubert on the bottom pair, all else equal.

  26. striatic says:

    Teubert starts the period with some pure chaos in his own zone.

    Barkeresque pirouette.

  27. striatic says:

    uhg .. 2-1 Monsters. Schultz with the minus.

  28. OilLeak says:

    Who is SCHULTZ!!!

  29. dessert1111 says:

    Justin Schultz could play any position in hockey and be amazing

  30. Lowetide says:

    jesus

  31. voxwah says:

    Omg Justin…you are amazing!

  32. striatic says:

    OMG Schultz is awesome.

    Away team play by play guy: “That was a DEFENSEMAN, putting on a clinic”

  33. voxwah says:

    dessert1111,

    We can use him as insurance for Dubnyk and Nikoli

  34. dessert1111 says:

    striatic: Fedun is a smaller guy and the Oilers would probably prefer a heavy hitter like Teubert on the bottom pair, all else equal.

    I would suggest it’s not equal though. It’s only game 5 of the year but Teubert has more experience so you wouldn’t expect Fedun to be soundly outplaying him, and I think he is and would bet he’ll continue to. And I saw him throw a few really good hits yesterday. You’re right though, he of course is much smaller than Teubert, but if Teubert simply isn’t as good well I just hope that’s evident if that’s indeed the case.

  35. Traktor says:

    Is this real life?

  36. nelson88 says:

    First viewing of JarJar. Big body. Looks to be a decent skater if not particularly pretty getting around the ice. Don’t know if he has any points but by my eye has been on for both Huskie goals as they try and knock off Minnesota for the 2nd night in a row. 2-2 in the 3rd.

  37. dessert1111 says:

    voxwah:
    dessert1111,

    We can use him as insurance for Dubnyk and Nikoli

    He should just lay a discarded stick across his goal line and play alone against the other teams.

  38. striatic says:

    dessert1111: It’s only game 5 of the year but Teubert has more experience so you wouldn’t expect Fedun to be soundly outplaying him, and I think he is and would bet he’ll continue to.

    Fedun is playing with AHL All Star Plante.

    Teubert is playing with ECHL bubble boy Davidson.

  39. dessert1111 says:

    Oof Fedun, just as I was singing your praises. I jinxed him!

  40. striatic says:

    Fedun just gave up a breakaway.

  41. dessert1111 says:

    striatic: Fedun is playing with AHL All Star Plante.

    Teubert is playing with ECHL bubble boy Davidson.

    That doesn’t explain why he loses the puck off his stick and has difficulty making passes, though.

  42. OilLeak says:

    Paajarvi in on the action.

  43. voxwah says:

    MPS! 3-2

  44. striatic says:

    looks like Vandevelde got a deflection on Pajaarvi’s [monster?] point shot, but they’re giving the goal to PRV.

  45. OilLeak says:

    Byers hasn’t been useless the past 2 games either, he’s a decent player.

  46. striatic says:

    what the hell was that ..

  47. striatic says:

    good PP so far, although no goals.

  48. OilLeak says:

    Wow that was a dominant shift by NUGEBERLE.

  49. striatic says:

    RNH, Eberle, Tyrvainen, Teubert and Davidson running the Monsters’ show.

    mostly Nugeberle though.

  50. nelson88 says:

    Rieder with both the game tying and winning goal. 1st star. nice to see him get it rolling.

    JarJar’s team falls to the #1 ranked Gophers. 3 – 2

  51. Rebilled says:

    That’s a lot of dr.pepper in the back of that truck. I pick pink shirt for the win!

  52. striatic says:

    Nugeberle is -1 on the night. hope they use the 4 on 4 open ice at the start of the period to remedy that.

  53. sliderule says:

    Rieder has played 9 of 10 games on the road.

    He has 4goals 8assists for 12 pts.You will see a big change in his point totals as they even out their schedule and play at home.

  54. striatic says:

    sliderule,

    still, he needs to be scoring nearly 2 ppg if he wants to keep pace with the best in the league.

  55. striatic says:

    RNH loses the opening face-off, and the Monsters play keep away on the 4 on 4.

    is the Nuge ever going to be good on the draws?

  56. Lowetide says:

    dessert1111:
    LT I think most of us are in agreement about Marincin it’s just that you’re more excited with him and the rest of us are impatient that’ll it’ll take him 2-3 years and possibly are secretly worried that maybe he’ll never learn the trade or be able to refine his game enough. It’s always nice to see a refined game even if we can’t expect it.

    I think we can reasonably hope for the player we saw at the WJ once he matures. Calm, effective passer. The big item with Marincin was his body type (he was really small in his legs and thighs) but thats changed over the last two seasons.

    He’s listed at 6.05, 196–still thin, but he’s gained strength and should mature a little more physically.

  57. Scott Reynolds says:

    There’s Bryan Lerg drawing a penalty. He’s had way more AHL success than I expected he would after he left the organization.

  58. striatic says:

    5 on 3 for the Monsters .. unusual for PRV to take the additional penalty like that.

  59. striatic says:

    Monsters score, of course.

    3-3

  60. Scott Reynolds says:

    Pretty ballsy pinch from Fedun on the PK rush. Gave his forward (VandeVelde?) the extra room he needed to get to a quality spot.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Scott: Fedun does seem to have good instincts, doesn’t he? That was a nice drive to the net, at the very least killing off seconds.

    Barons back on the PK, looking ragged here in the 3rd.

  62. striatic says:

    jeez the Barons aren’t making things easy on themselves.

  63. striatic says:

    Roy’s gotta have that one.

  64. voxwah says:

    Man that was an ugly goal

  65. OilLeak says:

    striatic:
    jeez the Barons aren’t making things easy on themselves.

    They’re getting schooled in the third.

  66. Scott Reynolds says:

    Not a great camera angle on that shot, but unless it was tipped, Roy’s really going to want that one back.

  67. Lowetide says:

    Justin Schultz is such a wonderful skater. Very smooth.

  68. striatic says:

    schultz draws a penalty. good!

    i think he’s had a hot and cold game what with being on for a goal and taking the delay of game penalty to put the monsters in the lead.

  69. Scott Reynolds says:

    LT: I haven’t seen much of Fedun, but I’ve mostly liked what I’ve seen so far.

    Schultz is really killing it. I wonder how many defensemen draw more penalties than they take.

  70. Lowetide says:

    Scott: He’s not a big guy, but really smart from what I’ve seen so far. Looks thick too, like a throwback Fogolin type body. Interesting player.

  71. Scott Reynolds says:

    Didn’t like that shot selection from Martindale on the PP. If you’re going to shoot from the wall, you need to hit the net. Weird personnel up front on the second half of that PP. Pelss couldn’t get consistent PP time with the Oil Kings.

  72. Lowetide says:

    Nice hit by Pelss there. Penalty? Don’t know why.

  73. Scott Reynolds says:

    That’s a really terrible call on Pelss. Shoulder to chest on the puck-carrier.

  74. jp says:

    Yeah, what’s call? The replay confirms a nice hit and no more…

  75. striatic says:

    GODAMMIT!

  76. Lowetide says:

    Wonderful burst by Eberle! Not a goal, but that’s some impressive speed from #7.

  77. striatic says:

    eberle almost with the clutch goal. so close. had some wheels there.

  78. jp says:

    elbowing apparently…. awful call.

  79. striatic says:

    coulda sworn Eberle had him beat, although the feed quality doesn’t help. robbed.

  80. DSF says:

    Granlund.

    2G 2A

  81. Lowetide says:

    Well that penalty call on Pelss was bullshit. Anyway, a few rookie mistakes from the D & G to my eye. No real surprise, Tuesday’s the next tilt. Maybe we’ll know more about the NHL by then.

  82. voxwah says:

    DSF,

    Nobody cares

  83. nelson88 says:

    sliderule:
    Rieder has played 9 of 10 games on the road.

    He has 4goals 8assists for 12 pts.You will see a big change in his point totals as they even out their schedule and play at home.

    Interesting. New barn? He is leading his team in points (again) and 2nd in goals in front of 3 first round picks so not exactly crapping the bed.

  84. leadfarmer says:

    Good job DSF but this is an oilers site, go run along now.

  85. Rocknrolla says:

    If anyone is watching TV still the Michigan Tech Huskies with Jujhar Khaira as #7 is playing now on The Score in HD. Channel 1410 on Bell.

    Will be nice to see another Oilers prospect, and a little better resolution than those AHL streams!

  86. DSF says:

    leadfarmer:
    Good job DSF but this is an oilers site, go run along now.

    So, the Oilers exist in a vacuum and don’t compete against other teams?

  87. Lowetide says:

    Moroz with another goal tonight, seems to be doing a little more lately.

  88. LMHF#1 says:

    Went to the Oil Kings game tonight; aside from the goal off a really good stretch pass by Lowe (amazed he took a break from the random crosschecks, high sticks and hooks which ‘highlight’ his game) Moroz was pretty non-existant. He’s playing with Ewanyk and Wilson, so I guess there’s only so much to be done, but the class of that line is Ewanyk by a fair bit…and even he isn’t exactly impressive.

    Very concerned about their D this year. No Gernat and Pysyk kills. Geertsen is irresponsible and all of the awkwardness of Gernat but with ZERO offense. Nothing very different from Reinhart.

  89. jake70 says:

    Didn’t see/follow the game, just reading the comments and the most surprising thing from the boxscore is a boarding call on Paajarvi – did Crenger turn into Battlecat??

  90. jp says:

    jake70:
    Didn’t see/follow the game, just reading the comments and the most surprising thing from the boxscore is a boarding call on Paajarvi – did Crenger turn into Battlecat??

    No, it was a questionable call. Paajarvi rubbed the guy out kinda from behind and the guy fell. It wasn’t a hard hit, borderline that it was from behind, and no damage done. I was surprised it was a penalty. The Pelss penalty at the end was an even worse call.

  91. gcw_rocks says:

    We knew going in there would be some adventures on defence with 4 youngsters getting good minutes. That doesn’t both me at all. I am deeply concerned that Plante and Ringwald don’t appear to be able to play the role of stabalizing vet, though. If they can’t play that role, they need to be flushed for guys who can.

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