OKC V SAN ANTONIO 19.10.12

The “future” is in OKC tonight against San Antonio. The Barons lineup has some changes from last weekend’s group and the twin phenoms have a new Don Ashby.

Starting forwards

  • Nuge-Green-Eberle
  • Arcobello-Tyrvainen-Pitlick
  • VandeVelde-Paajarvi-Hartikainen
  • House-Byers-Hamilton

A few comments on the lines: Green is the most experienced AHL forward on the club, has size and some skill. He might appear to be an unlikely fit but as with most things done by Coach Nelson there’s sound reasoning to the move. Suspect he’ll have success, bet we see that line a lot this winter.

Arcobello was to my eye the best forward on the team last weekend, so he gets a push and Pitlick remains in the top 6. Tyrvainen gives the line some toughness and physical play.

The 3line has two of the big prospects this year, along with VandeVelde. I’m not certain how much offense VV can provide but the other two should be able to generate chances.

4line has House with Byers and the almost forgotten Hamilton. These fellows are interchangeable with the healthy cuts, and in fact Martindale and Lander are certainly higher on the depth chart.

Pairings

  • Marincin-Schultz
  • Fedun-Teubert
  • Ringwald-Plante

A more veteran group tonight. Nelson mentioned the other day how impressed he was with Marincin’s defense, so maybe that pairing will work this season. I like the 2pairing, they should be steady.  Ringwald and Plante have experience and that should settle everything down. Yann Danis is the starting goaltender.

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  1. Lowetide says:

    Khaira with an early assist for Michigan Tech tonight.

  2. TheBusDriver86 says:

    Lets go Barons!

    PS hows Rieder doing?

  3. Lowetide says:

    rieder plays tonight, too. Game hasn’t started yet.

  4. RexLibris says:

    Not happy that Martindale and Lander are sitting, but I’d like to see the franchise make a decision on Arcobello, Vande Velde and House. I’d hate to see them lose one or two bona fide prospects at center because we took a “wait and see” approach to longshots.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like Martindale and Lander’s ceiling is higher than House, VV and Arcobello. I understand the need for AHL depth, and maybe I’m getting carried away over one game, but I’d like to see some development, espcecially in this lockout year.

  5. OilLeak says:

    Wow the audio better improve for the actual game, sounds terrible.

  6. OilLeak says:

    Nope, audio still blows. I can’t believe video feeds like this still exist in this day and age.

    Puck hasn’t dropped yet, anthem just started.

  7. OilLeak says:

    Wow the free feed is better than the one I’m getting from AHLlive.com, never again.

  8. OilLeak says:

    Schultz skates the puck deep into the offensive zone easily.

  9. Deans123 says:

    1-0 Rampage

  10. OilLeak says:

    JF Jacques on the powerplay! I never thought I would hear those words again.

  11. Kris11 says:

    No points for Nugeberle. They suck forever,

  12. dessert1111 says:

    Fedun with a couple of nice hits in his own zone

  13. Lowetide says:

    Rieder with a PP assist early for Kitchener

  14. dessert1111 says:

    Ebs with some nice moves but missed the finish

  15. OilLeak says:

    Kris11:
    No points for Nugeberle. They suck forever,

    Can we start running them out of town yet?

  16. dessert1111 says:

    I’ll make a bold prediction and say Rieder will see NHL action as early as next year

  17. Kris11 says:

    Taylor Hall has grown a lot in the off season, but he seems to be really slow out there. Must be the nagging injury.

  18. OilLeak says:

    Slick Goal by Marincin!

  19. Kris11 says:

    dessert1111:
    I’ll make a bold prediction and say Rieder will see NHL action as early as next year

    We ran them to OKC already.

    And Katz to Seattle.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Marincin with a very nice goal and Hartikainen with skill on the assist

  21. OilLeak says:

    Kris11:
    Taylor Hall has grown a lot in the off season, but he seems to be really slow out there. Must be the nagging injury.

    Never would have thought the shoulder injury would be such a detriment to his foot speed.

  22. Kris11 says:

    The feed I’m watching seems to be from the 80′s.

    The quality of video and light is 80′s.

    And the Baron’s defensive game is very 80′s, too.

  23. Kris11 says:

    I miss hating Khabibulin.

  24. OilLeak says:

    Schultz with the Shortie!

  25. striatic says:

    i am glad Schultz signed with the good guys.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Schultz (VandeVelde). that kid defender sure scores off the wrister.

  27. dessert1111 says:

    omg Schultz with another beautiful snipe

  28. dessert1111 says:

    RNH with a Taylor Hall-esque move to push thru the D and get a good shot on net

  29. Hacienda says:

    I think number 4 is Plante; I believe I read that Taylor Hall will be kept out of the lineup for at least two weeks while he conditions.

    Which explains why he looks so slow :P

  30. Rocknrolla says:

    Wow nice shot by Schultzy…..this kid is gonna score some points!

    What a great night to be able to watch some hockey! Instead of all the bitching about hockey that’s been going on for 4 days.

    The Barons games will be my savior this year. Just booked my flights to Abbotsford for the Nov 9-10 game. Long weekend as well! Let me know if anyone else will be out there and I can come say hello and have a beer with you!

  31. delooper says:

    OKC doesn’t control the play as much as they should.

  32. OilLeak says:

    Hacienda:
    I think number 4 is Plante; I believe I read that Taylor Hall will be kept out of the lineup for at least two weeks while he conditions.

    Not sure if serious or…

  33. OilLeak says:

    delooper:
    OKC doesn’t control the play as much as they should.

    Not at all, in fact the first line is getting out worked at times.

  34. Deans123 says:

    Anyone listening to the announcer talk with a producer during the breaks? The producer knows nothing about hockey

  35. voxwah says:

    Alex Plante is the only Baron that is -1. Did they leave him out there all by himself?

  36. Hacienda says:

    OilLeak,

    No, I am serious. Hall will be kept out of the lineup for two weeks, then he is going to get his shoulder checked out again and see if he’s ready to enter the lineup.

  37. dessert1111 says:

    Anyone know if a team has ever had two players nominated for the Calder in the same year?

  38. Lowetide says:

    I think the AHL is a pretty strong league. The 1line has been playing uphill tonight, to be expected imo. The PP is where they should shine, and with Green on that line it should be better.

  39. Deans123 says:

    I think Heatley and Kovalchuk were both nominated in 2001

  40. dessert1111 says:

    Dean yes I was chuckling about that myself! Asking if there are lots of NHL players in the AHL. but I guess it’s not that surprising Oklahoma isn’t exactly a hockey-crazy market

  41. striatic says:

    delooper,

    i don’t think OKC is playing that poorly.

    San Antonio is a good team. playoff team last year and they are big and work the cycle well.

    i’d say OKC is outplaying them everywhere but on that cycle.

  42. OilLeak says:

    Hacienda:
    OilLeak,

    No, I am serious. Hall will be kept out of the lineup for two weeks, then he is going to get his shoulder checked out again and see if he’s ready to enter the lineup.

    Well aware that Hall isn’t in the lineup, Kris11 and myself were joking regarding Hall’s foot speed issues.

  43. striatic says:

    Deans123,

    don’t worry, it’s just like lacrosse : ]

  44. Hacienda says:

    OilLeak,

    Oh okay, sorry I thought you were seriously wondering. My bad!

  45. jake70 says:

    Rebilled:
    http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/147547/1/watch-ahl:-san-antonio-rampage-vs-oklahoma-city-barons.html

    this feed works better on my mac

    I am watching/listening on this feed. Seems it’s the San Antonio feed. Anyone listening to the SA coach, Chuck somebody……when asked about his players playing vs. the skilled OKC team……twice (with emphasis) he said “…these so-called superstars….”……”our guy (name?) beat up Nugent Hopkins and Eberle in the W for years……” Who is this clown anyway?

  46. Kris11 says:

    I am watching the most gripping basketball game ever on the barons feed.

  47. Lowetide says:

    that Hartikainen pass was a beauty. I don’t know where he’ll land in the NHL (what line, scoring or checking) but he’s got some nice hands for a big man.

  48. dessert1111 says:

    Doesn’t look like much of a crowd there for opening night. Maybe they’re all hoping for the car tomorrow?

  49. striatic says:

    dessert1111,

    they’ve been hyping that damn car for months now, so i’d say yes.

  50. Deans123 says:

    I hope the producer and the announcer get in an off air fight. It would be great if they just started cussing each other out

  51. dessert1111 says:

    Just once I want Pajaarvi to go inside instead of outside the defender on that drive :(

  52. Lowetide says:

    That was a nice shift.

  53. Lowetide says:

    Another assist for Rieder.

  54. Kris11 says:

    That looked familiar.

  55. Lowetide says:

    coverage poor there.

  56. dessert1111 says:

    Dan Ringwald is not having a good game

  57. dessert1111 says:

    LT, have you had a chance to see Rieder play yet?

  58. OilLeak says:

    The 1st line looks better with Paajarvi on it than Josh Green.

  59. Lowetide says:

    dessert1111:
    LT, have you had a chance to see Rieder play yet?

    no. Looking forward to it.

  60. Rocknrolla says:

    Deans123,

    Ya hilarious! The announcer said he didn’t think the rampage would get anymore goals!

  61. Lowetide says:

    Hartikainen (Schultz, NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE)

  62. OilLeak says:

    Schultz – - >> Too good for the AHL

  63. dessert1111 says:

    I hate to sound like a broken record, but Schultz is so good.

  64. jp says:

    OK goal by J Schultz and co!

  65. striatic says:

    Schultz is the class of this team, even more so than Nugeberle.

  66. striatic says:

    jp:
    OK goal by J Schultz and co!

    c’mon .. it was better than OK .. it was great!

  67. jake70 says:

    Schultz oozes offense.

  68. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Too soon to sign Schultz to a 6×6?

  69. dessert1111 says:

    power move by Harty from behind the net. Looks like he’s getting rewarded with 1st line time. He doesn’t look out of place either, looks to have gained a step from last week almost.

  70. OilLeak says:

    Hartikainen has certainly come alive in this game, seems to be moving much better than previous efforts

  71. Lowetide says:

    Sometimes I wish I was 20 again.

  72. delooper says:

    Another nice play by that Finnish kid. He’s doing alright tonight.

  73. nelson88 says:

    OilLeak:
    Schultz – – >> Too good for the AHL

    He’s no Granlund ;)

  74. dessert1111 says:

    Why do you say that LT?

  75. jake70 says:

    Eberle just undresses that poor soul. Lol.

  76. Rebilled says:

    The Rampage guy in the black suit hyping the crowd looks like Ralph Klein. Maybe it is!

  77. Lowetide says:

    dessert1111: aybe it is!

    (Quote) (Reply)

    Cheerleaders. :-)

  78. striatic says:

    dessert1111:
    Why do you say that LT?

    OKC cheer squad?

  79. delooper says:

    Okay, this is more like what I was expecting.

  80. dessert1111 says:

    Well you can still look at them, and just cuz you’re in your 20s doesn’t mean they’ll look back, trust me ;)

  81. jake70 says:

    Anyone see a pattern, like the parent club…….opposition goalies upping their play vs. the Barons, noticed it last week vs. Eerie.

  82. dessert1111 says:

    EBERSQUEEEEE! Finally.

  83. OilLeak says:

    NUUUUGEBEEERLE!!

  84. crude says:

    ho ho ho boy!

  85. Lowetide says:

    Not bad, not bad. Eberle (Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge)

  86. Rebilled says:

    There are those long over due(first 2 games you jokers) points!

  87. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Love the game, but hate the goal WOOOOOO!

    They do that at the Canuckdome and it is the lamest piece o piss in the west.

  88. dessert1111 says:

    Nice push by Arcobello and then nice hit by Tyrvainen. Gotta see more of that from both of them this game, they’ve been quiet.

  89. Kris11 says:

    Well, Hall is still a bust. Moreau was better than Hall will be.

  90. OilLeak says:

    dessert1111:
    Nice push by Arcobello and then nice hit by Tyrvainen. Gotta see more of them from both of them this game, they’ve been quiet.

    Hard to do anything, when the golden kids get all the ice

  91. dessert1111 says:

    OilLeak: Hard to do anything, when the golden kids get all the ice

    That’s true, they havent had much ice time but I get the feeling there isn’t much of a leash to stay in the top 6/9, even in the lineup, so they have to make their case pretty much each shift. I’m pulling for both of them.

  92. "Steve Smith" says:

    dessert1111:
    I’ll make a bold prediction and say Rieder will see NHL action as early as next year

    I’ll make a bold prediction and say that there will be NHL action as early as next year.

  93. Lowetide says:

    I’d trade them all for Toby Petersen. :-)

  94. Deans123 says:

    Sam?

  95. dessert1111 says:

    MacT, is that you?!?

  96. Lowetide says:

    Deans123:
    Sam?

    no, not Sam. :-)

  97. Lowetide says:

    dessert1111:
    MacT, is that you?!?

    He’s forgotten more about hockey than I’ll ever know.

  98. dessert1111 says:

    “Steve Smith”: I’ll make a bold prediction and say that there will be NHL action as early as next year.

    You know this lockout isn’t so bad, I’m cheering for a winning team for the first time since spring 2006

  99. OilLeak says:

    dessert1111: That’s true, they havent had much ice time but I get the feeling there isn’t much of a leash to stay in the top 6/9, even in the lineup, so they have to make their case pretty much each shift. I’m pulling for both of them.

    So am I, but Arcobello is getting the shaft with his linemates as well. Unless Nelson is using Arcobello to shelter Pitlick to give him a boost.

  100. Lowetide says:

    Dessert1111: Ain’t that the truth.

  101. Lowetide says:

    Schultz is a brilliant offensive factor at the level. BRILLIANT!

  102. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Does everyone else have pretty much no sound?

  103. Lowetide says:

    Yeah. They buggered it up between periods.

  104. crude says:

    ya, no sound.

  105. Rocknrolla says:

    No sound here either. Got the okc radio going via live 365 app. Bit of a delay but ok.

  106. B-Dog says:

    I imagine the producer is there to enable basic hockey rules to be shared with an audience not to familiar with hockey.

    Any ideas where I could find the highlights? I could only listen to the game.

  107. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Thanks…working on a Damned mix CD. Almost 40 and being a punk lover the most of my life, I can’t see how they ever got past me…

    Funny, I heard them at the Black Frog in Vancouver. An “Oiler Friendly” bar that isn’t owned by the Black DOg, but had people working there that worked in Edmonton previously. Great DJ.

  108. jake70 says:

    I have sound, voices very low, annoying hum that is louder though.

  109. Rocknrolla says:

    B-Dog,

    Will be up on oilers site usually an hour or so after the game.

  110. Lowetide says:

    The Damned? They were one of the first. I mean right at the beginning.

  111. Suntory Hanzo says:

    First UK punk band with a single, and first to the states…I know that now, and I consider myself a musicfile. Have a radioshow out here in the valley and everything.

    I wish there was sound so I could hear them call harsky a “Gritty Finn” at least once.

  112. "Steve Smith" says:

    Suntory Hanzo: I wish there was sound so I could hear them call harsky a “Gritty Finn” at least once.

    I’ve long offered a service where, for a fee, I’ll call people up on Skype and recite media nicknames for hockey players. If you want in, give me your Skype ID and credit card number/expiry date.

  113. Rocknrolla says:

    2 shorties for Schultz!

  114. Lowetide says:

    Schultz is dangerous. From Laredo, apparently.

  115. Suntory Hanzo says:

    I worked at Parlee McLaws on the Syncrude file all the way through University…I know not to trust lawyer promises. :)

  116. OilLeak says:

    So that’s what it feels like to be rooting for a winning team.

  117. striatic says:

    Justin Schultz for President!*

    *of Hockey Operations?

  118. Lowetide says:

    Schultz: 2-1-3 +5! Is that right???????????????????????

  119. jake70 says:

    Ralph Klein doing interviews….lol.

  120. "Steve Smith" says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    I worked at Parlee McLaws on the Syncrude file all the way through University…I know not to trust lawyer promises.

    Off-topic,* but I’ve always found that an unfortunate name for a law firm – full of McLawyers practicing McLaw by drafting McPleadings. Don’t know the first damned thing about the firm itself, which I’m sure is excellent, but if I need to make a Personal McDirective, I’ll go elsewhere.

    * It’s my sound, man!

  121. Deans123 says:

    Cam Barker is in the lineup for the Texas Stars

  122. Suntory Hanzo says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Maybe I should have taken thst offer to see what schultz had to say

  123. Lowetide says:

    Suntory: Is your show streamed?

  124. striatic says:

    interesting perhaps to me only but both RNH assists were backhand passes from his knees behind the net.

    teams need to learn you can’t leave him alone back there.

  125. Rocknrolla says:

    striatic,

    In his office…(swoons)

  126. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Lowetide,

    Yes. Tuesdays from 6-7 Pacific. Then all shows are instantly archived.

    http://www.civl.ca we record out of the UFV campus. about 100 metres from where the Barons will play Nov 9 and 10.

    My (and now my friend who shares the show) is called RagnaRock. My tagname is Professor Odinson. :)

    I mostly play 90s alternative, but my buddy plays stranger things. We like to have a theme for each show.

  127. striatic says:

    Lowetide:
    Schultz: 2-1-3 +5! Is that right???????????????????????

    the kid is a legitimate stud.

    nixing the empty netter he was 1-1-2 +4 which is still excellent.

    when he’s on the ice the puck seems settled and he has defensive chops despite not having them tested much tonight.

    going to need to watch the highlights and see where he was on ice on the goals he didn’t assist.

  128. RickDeckard says:

    For what it’s worth, this was Kitchener’s first home game of the season. From what I hear, this is due to construction at their home arena.

  129. striatic says:

    more from the highlights ..

    PRV played a big role in Schultz’s first goal despite not getting an assist, gaining the zone with a nice chip and chasing it down shorthanded.

    Schulz wasn’t a factor in the goals he didn’t assist.

    OKC took major advantage of SA Centre Wellwood who was minus 4 on the night.

  130. jp says:

    striatic: c’mon .. it was better than OK .. it was great!

    Just trying for an ironic understatement there. Damn fine pass that will work 4/5 times in the NHL too!

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Too soon to sign Schultz to a 6×6?

    Sooner than needed, but may be not unreasonable. How has Schultz’s defense been? I only got to watch the end of the 2nd and the 3rd tonight. Didn’t notice him on D, which is likely a good thing… Very impressive offensive player!!

    Lowetide: He’s forgotten more about hockey than I’ll ever know.

    Nicely said LT!

    Generally great to see a decent hockey game (at least in part). A comment or 2 earlier about the kids getting outworked, but I didn’t see any of that in the time I watched. OKC overall outshooting SA 2:1 on the game – hard to find much fault in that!

  131. jp says:

    striatic:

    OKC took major advantage of SA Centre Wellwood who was minus 4 on the night.

    Was that intentional or a genuine mistake? Casey Wellman is the guy who got raped by the Barons tonight. I had to check to make sure it wasn’t our beloved Gagner comp K Wellwood who’d got torched. The Wellman kid appears to be a pretty decent hockey player in games not played tonight.

  132. striatic says:

    A comment or 2 earlier about the kids getting outworked, but I didn’t see any of that in the time I watched. OKC overall outshooting SA 2:1 on the game – hard to find much fault in that!

    they were outworked along the boards a bit in the first, which in part led to SA having the extra PP opportunities, but after that it was smooth sailing.

  133. striatic says:

    jp,

    my mistake, i meant Wellman.

  134. Lowetide says:

    I think it’s brilliant! Any time an opposition C goes -4 its a “Wellwood” and if it is -5 why that’s a “Kyle Wellwood!”

  135. loosemoose says:

    listening to how Justin Schultz plays, the reason why we traded for Nick Schultz, seems a little clearer……

    to me anyway.

  136. "Steve Smith" says:

    loosemoose,

    We didn’t want our defensive corps to become unnecessarily good?

  137. Lowetide says:

    Laleggia with an assist tonight, 3sog

  138. jp says:

    striatic:
    jp,

    my mistake, i meant Wellman.

    As LT said, it was an excellent and appropriate slip of the tongue! No need to apologize!

  139. Traktor says:

    I think the lockout is going to be trouble for some of the veterans on the team. The 2nd tier prospects are all going to be heading into NHL camp hitting their stride while the veterans will likely be playing catch up all season long. Plus the kids are going to have a lot of chemistry. Some of the older players are probably going to feel a bit secluded since the team has been turned over to the young guns.

    It will be interesting to see the difference between the players playing overseas and in the AHL and the players that are taking time off.

    I’m sure there’s been a ton of posts on Schultz tonight but Marincin looked really good to me too. I knew he was good but he looks pretty close to the NHL already.

  140. bookje says:

    OilLeak: Can we start running them out of town yet?

    I already went to Nuge’s house and smashed all of his baby furniture and his crib. When he gets back to Edmonton and has nowhere to sit and nowhere to sleep, he will get the message!

  141. jp says:

    Traktor:
    I think the lockout is going to be trouble for some of the veterans on the team. The 2nd tier prospects are all going to be heading into NHL camp hitting their stride while the veterans will likely be playing catch up all season long. Plus the kids are going to have a lot of chemistry. Some of the older players are probably going to feel a bit secluded since the team has been turned over to the young guns.

    It will be interesting to see the difference between the players playing overseas and in the AHL and the players that are taking time off.

    The lockout I’m sure will leave a lot of the guys who aren’t playing a step behind. Can’t say I’m too concerned with the possibility of turning the team over to the kids sooner rather than later though. Most of the key players (at least up front) are among those playing during the lockout anyway:
    Hall-RNH-Ebs
    Yak-Gagner-Hemsky

    Can’t say I’d be too disappointed if the other guys currently playing (Paajarvi, Hatrikainen, Lander and for that matter Petrell) take a spot from the likes of Jones, Eager, Hordichuk and co. I’m betting Belanger can’t possibly be any worse than last season (kinda looked like a guy who was playing his first game after missing TC all of last year anyway), and Smyth has badly run out of gas in the 2nd half of the past 2 seasons, so a late start may not be bad for him either.

    Not quite as rosy on defense and in goal. Only Smid, J Schultz and Potter are playing now. J Schultz should have a running start for his rookie season, and being in game shape off the bat might allow Potter to keep his spot on the team. May be Whitney will be well served by more time to heal/train too?? Who knows?? Petry, N Schultz, Sutton and the goalies are just sitting. And I fear Peckham might be heeding the call of those cheeseburgers before his long summer is done…

    On the balance though, the Oilers will likely fare better than the average NHL team due to the lockout. Hopefully we’ll get a chance to see that soon, but the crappy Barons feeds will have to do in the mean time.

  142. jp says:

    Ewanyk with a goal tonight, Moroz with the assist in a 5-1 win for the Oil Kings
    Zhakov with another goal in a 3-2 loss
    Rieder with 3 assists in a 6-2 win
    Kahira with an assist in a 5-3 win
    Laleggia with an assist in a 5-1 win
    Simpson with an assist in a 5-0 win
    K. Jones with an assist in a 4-0 win.

    A decent point scoring streak of sorts except for a scoreless game this morning from the slumping Yakupov…

  143. loosemoose says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    you think Tom Gilbert is better than i do.

    I guess we will see how the Oilers fare in the next couple years.

    wanna bet they do better then when ole Gibby minded the back end?

  144. BlacqueJacque says:

    So Schultz was +5 on the night, with rookie partner Marincin matching him.

    Wow.

  145. "Steve Smith" says:

    loosemoose:
    “Steve Smith”, wanna bet they do better then when ole Gibby minded the back end?

    I like how you’ll attribute that to the Gilbert-Schultz trade, instead of the assorted peripheral moves the Oilers made (one first overall pick, two more and Eberle maturing, Schultz signing, etc.).

    But yeah, if the Oilers stop finishing in the basement, that will establish that Gilbert’s a lousy defenceman.

  146. Lowetide says:

    I’ve never understood the anti-Gilbert sentiment. Even before the 4m deal there was some hesitation to endorse. I suspect he has all his teeth, a clear sign he doesn’t care enough.

  147. loosemoose says:

    Lowetide,

    I am not anti Gilbert. In fact, I suffered numerous barbs from the peanut gallery, as I tried to explain howGGinny would turn into a nice second pairing two way dman.

    I think I am more pro NSchultz. I like the trade and, while I think it may have been a bit more than a hockey trade, will work out for both teams.

  148. "Steve Smith" says:

    loosemoose:
    Lowetide, I am not anti Gilbert. In fact, I suffered numerous barbs from the peanut gallery, as I tried to explain howGGinny would turn into a nice second pairing two way dman.

    In other words, you thought he would regress?

    Nick Schultz’s numbers prior to last year were decent, so he may rebound. But last year he was at best a third pairing guy, and it’s hard to imagine him rebounding to Gilbertian levels.

    I think Justin Schultz is very exciting. I won’t buy that he’s a legitimate NHL defender until I see him play some NHL games, but it certainly looks like he might be. He may, in fact, be better than Gilbert (if not now, then down the road). But his presence doesn’t justify downgrading Gilbert to Nick Schultz, anymore than Yakupov means that we should trade Hall for second line talent.

  149. DSF says:

    Lowetide:
    I’ve never understood the anti-Gilbert sentiment. Even before the 4m deal there was some hesitation to endorse. I suspect he has all his teeth, a clear sign he doesn’t care enough.

    It’s the shoes.

  150. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: In other words, you thought he would regress?

    Nick Schultz’s numbers prior to last year were decent, so he may rebound.But last year he was at best a third pairing guy, and it’s hard to imagine him rebounding to Gilbertian levels.

    I think Justin Schultz is very exciting.I won’t buy that he’s a legitimate NHL defender until I see him play some NHL games, but it certainly looks like he might be.He may, in fact, be better than Gilbert (if not now, then down the road).But his presence doesn’t justify downgrading Gilbert to Nick Schultz, anymore than Yakupov means that we should trade Hall for second line talent.

    I’m a little leery of QualComp numbers and don’t think I could make the same statement about Schultz as you, “Steve”, or at least with the same level of confidence. And judging by the reaction out of Minnesota, he was certainly thought of more highly than a fringe NHLer by his coaches, teammates and fans.

    That said, I think Gilbert is the better player and have difficulty justifying the trade. I and others have speculated here that there had something more to the trade than what we saw (a demand, some dressing room issue, family issue, etc)

  151. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler: I and others have speculated here that there had something more to the trade than what we saw (a demand, some dressing room issue, family issue, etc)

    I’ve speculated the same – it makes too little sense from a straight hockey standpoint, and the contracts are so similar that they can’t have been a factor. Add in the fact that Gilbert seemed thrilled to be going to Minnesota, and I do wonder if he had a hand in it (in which case kudos to all concerned for not letting it blow up into a Prongerian episode). Anyway, I’m not inclined to lambaste management too much for it, in case their hand was forced, but I can’t countenance the view that it improved the hockey team.

  152. loosemoose says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I get it. You really like Gilbert. Nothing wrong with that.

    You say I thought he would regress, but I would argue at the time of me saying that, second pairing wasn’t a regression. Thats really not relevant though…..

    I guess the biggest dissconnect here is I don’t think nick Schultz is that much of a downgrade on Gilbert.
    If you do, that’s cool.

    Time will tell, but I think both teams will look back and see this trade as good .

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