NASH RAMBLER

The OKC Barons will play the Charlotte Checkers tonight (I’ll have a GDT up this afternoon) and it gives us a chance to look back on the 2007 entry draft, the 2010 draft day trade that sent Riley Nash away, and the return for a former 1st round selection.

Nash was not a wise selection (imo) on draft day for two reasons: he did not have a tremendous offensive resume (and he was a 21st overall selection) and the Oilers traded up to get him–and even if someone else had taken him there’s no evidence he was the best available player.Dealing the 30th (Nick Ross) pick and the 36th (Joel Gistedt) pick to get Nash was folly the day it happened and would have to be an example of an overpay on draft day (the “saw him good” scenario imposing its will at the draft table).

I wrote about the Nash selection here. I do believe Stu MacGregor got the head scouting job because of the 2007 entry draft, and the club is much closer to consensus (although they do go walkabout at times) possibly because of the lessons learned that day.

As for Nash, he has in fact played in the NHL (5 games with Carolina) and is one of 23 (out of 30) selections to be taken on the first round in 2007 who have made the show. However, Nash and Alex Plante represent a faltering period for the Oilers at the draft table, partly because unique talents like Max Pacioretty and David Perron were known and available.

As time went on, I warmed to the Nash selection in that he could have been a “welcome fit” based on need: the Oilers need a big right-handed two way center right now, so Nash would certainly have been an NHL option had he signed in Edmonton.

However, I think the Oilers made out well by trading him–despite dealing a former 21st overall pick in 2007 for a 2010 2nd round pick (46th overall). Martin Marincin is among the 5 best prospects on a fairly deep Oilers prospect list, and a quick glance at the Hurricane prospect list suggest Nash is not close to being in that range on the Carolina list.

Bottom line: the trade up to get Nash (along with the Plante selection) probably sealed Kevin Prendergast’s fate (make no mistake, the reaction to that 2007 draft was swift and negative in many areas) and I do think Edmonton’s draft list was altered because of it. Edmonton dealt Nash at a point in the 2010 entry draft when there was an excellent defensive prospect available and he is tracking well.

A more recent view on Nash is available here and I wrote about Marincin this week here.

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17 Responses to "NASH RAMBLER"

  1. sliderule says:

    Those 2007 picks bother me a lot .Stu was the head WHL scout and based in BC saw Nash a lot.

    Do you blame Kevin or Stu the guy that had to be recommending these players.

    After watching Musil play last night I see very little hope for him playing in NHL.He has the definition of heavy feet.

    If these picks were taken out of some faraway place I would give Stu a pass.

    They were taken right under his nose so you have to wonder at his scouting acumen.

  2. PunjabiOil says:

    Was so disappointed in the pick in 2007. A sickening feeling they passed on Cherepanov at 15OV, and then went off the board to draft a Riley Nash, who himself was visibly upset the Oilers drafted him. Can’t find the video, but the forced smile is evident.

    He then went on to talk about him being a BC boy, and a Canucks fan, ”but Edmonton is an okay fit too”

    Guy just didn’t have the mentality to become an NHL player:

    1. Only plays in a weaker NCAA division with limited number of games, due to his desire to play with his brother.

    2. Refusal to play CDN junior, or turn pro earlier, despite Oilers recommendations

    3. Admitting he didn’t want to sign with the Oilers after looking at the depth charts and didn’t see himself fitting in there.

    Sickens me when someone with talent doesn’t try to seize the opportunity. You may not get there, but the character is in the trying. It’s the trying that matters.

    Hope his uncompleted agriculture degree takes him far in life.

  3. spoiler says:

    I’d say that if the CBA isn’t resolved by Dec 15, the season is probably done. If the players opt for decertification, next season might be done too. I’ve never seen a more self-destructive process. Like an alcoholic ruining his marriage, his career, and then his health… right in front of everyone’s eyes. Nothing good can come of this.

  4. JakeOiler says:

    sliderule,

    Hmmm…went to the game on tuesday and impression I came away withon Musil, was smart and smooth. Good passer and good positionally. He wil never look like Reilly but he is excatly the type of guy you win with.

  5. Bar_Qu says:

    Ortrong>spoiler,

    Decertification isn’t an option & Fehr knows it. It is a bargaining tactic and i don’t think the lawyers running the NHL fear it. Duhatschek has rightly pointed out that if you let accountants & layers run these negotiations they drag out a long as they do, b/c there is always a way to justify turning down the other side based on either dollars or “winning”. There is no space for discussion between Bettman Jacobs & Fehr. Others need to be in place to allow for an actual conversation& negotiation to happen. Or, both those guys should put it on the line & stake their jobs on getting a season going this year (or resign if it doesn’t-again from Duthatschek).

    Otherwise i am moving more to the belief that there can be no season this year.

  6. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Musil’s skating and lateral movement is much improved from the world juniors where he was possibly the worst skater there. It’s hard to get excited about him IMO. He’s a man amongst babies in the W. His reach, positioning and strength cover up the skating difficiencies. As with most defensive D, we won’t know what the Oilers have here until he plays against men. He’ll be Ulanov at best in my meaningless opinion.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Lots of talk about his speed, which is why I have a tough time slotting him. Based on WHL coverage and how impressive he was at the WJ last Christmas, he’s no doubt a quality NHL prospect. But the footspeed is an issue–even though it has improved.

  8. ashley says:

    Some defenders have great success at the NHL level with average speed. A defensive defenseman is more about positioning, anticipation, and hockey sense than raw skill. Speed is not as critical as it is for forwards (assuming a base threshold).

    Look at Pronger as an example. He was never fast. In fact, when I watched him in Edmonton he was noticeably slow compared to everyone on the ice. Yet he dominated when he was out there.

  9. Rocknrolla says:

    I miss Nation Radio!

  10. Lowetide says:

    Rocknrolla:
    I miss Nation Radio!

    Me too!

  11. oilgreg says:

    The 2007 – what a disaster. I recall shaking my head with disbelief after each of the Oiler first round picks. I would have;
    -taken Voracek with the first pick (6th overall)
    - Cherepanov with the second (15th)
    - And, with the trading up to the 21st pick, Perron.

    I would say the Voracek – today – would be an upgrade over Gagner. Perron is certainly superior to Nash.
    We will never know how Cherepanov would have turned out, but there is a good chance he would be the best player from the entire draft. He was a standout at the World Juniors – the same year Plante could not even make the Canadian team!

  12. PunjabiOil says:

    It’s a touchy subject but I’ll throw it out there:

    Does Cherepanov still pass away if he gets drafted by a different team?

  13. Lowetide says:

    No way to know imo. Poor kid.

  14. blackdog says:

    Pronman thinks Musil can be a 4 fwiw

  15. oilgreg says:

    PunjabiOil: It’s a touchy subject but I’ll throw it out there:Does Cherepanov still pass away if he gets drafted by a different team?

    Drafted by NYR, but still playing in Russia when he passed away while playing in a game. I don’t believe it would have made any difference if another had drafted him. Certainly not something that should be put on the Rangers.

  16. RickDeckard says:

    PunjabiOil,

    I want to say no due to the butterfly effect. Maybe he doesn’t begin doping? Maybe his heart has a minor problem and he gets checked out earlier? Maybe the arena he has his accident in isn’t a complete shit show that costs him his life?

    “The ambulance that is normally at all games had already departed and had to be called back; doctors arrived on the scene a full 15 minutes after Cherepanov collapsed, and the battery on the defibrillator used to attempt to shock Cherepanov’s heart back to life was drained.[13] It took approximately 20 minutes to get him to a hospital.[1][14] While in the care of Chekhov doctors, he was again resuscitated briefly on two occasions. He woke up for another 2 minutes, only to collapse again, before ultimately dying 2 hours later in the 2nd City Chekhov Hospital. Reports say that the ambulance didn’t have a defibrillator and adrenalin shots with them and that heart massage didn’t help.”

    The KHL’s rookie of the year award is name after him, like that makes it any better.

  17. spoiler says:

    Posting in the wrong damn thread…

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