OILERS 12-13: LETS HAVE A LOOK!

Since the lockout began months ago, our attention has been divided. Lockout, prospects, WJs, Barons, Oil Kings, Nail in Russia–I think we kept ourselves amused as well as could be expected. Now that the clouds have lifted and the sun is out, lets have another look at your Edmonton Oilers.

A QUICK GLANCE

  • Biggest additions: Ralph Krueger, Craig MacTavish, Justin Schultz, Nail Yakupov.
  • Calder candidates: Nail Yakupov and Justin Schultz are strong candidates for ROY award.
  • Anticipation: I’m interested in Krueger’s forward “pairings” and am hopeful he keeps Nuge-Ebs and Gagner-Hall together. Hemsky might fit in well on the Gagner line, and maybe Hartikainen could do some good things with the Burnaby kid and #14. That leaves Horcoff for Yakupov, with Ryan Smyth possibly helping out too. This would leave a veteran 4line of Eric Belanger, Ryan Jones and some combination of Ben Eager, Lennart Petrell and Darcy Hordichuk.
  • The BLUE IS BAD: Coach Krueger mentioned the blue in his recent talk with Jason Gregor and Kevin Lowe talked about adding a defenseman when the lockout ends to replace Andy Sutton. Both items are music! The friggin’ in the riggin’ for this edition of the Oiler defense is that Ryan Whitney’s health is still up in the air. If he’s fine, then this team has some nice things happening. Krueger’s comments in the Gregor piece suggested that the left side might be Smid, Schultz the elder and Whitney, with the RH side Petry, Schultz the younger and then you find a role for Corey Potter and Theo Peckham or Steve Tambellini acquires a Sutton replacement. When it comes to defense, 7 NHL D is a moving target due to injuries–the Oilers seem to order a double helping every season.
  • GOAL: I’m hoping they run Devan Dubnyk out there early and often. He’s the future for the organization, and if he isn’t better that average better to find out now than later. Nikolai Khabibulin will be 40 in mid-January, and surely to God there’s no question about re-signing him in time to suffer through another round of injuries. I suspect Yann Danis is a factor as we speculated last summer.

PROJECTED LINEUP

  • Line1: Gagner-Hall-Hemsky (tough assignments)
  • Line2: Nuge-Hartikainen-Eberle (soft parade)
  • Line3: Horcoff-Smyth-Yakupov (mentor line for the latest phenom)
  • Line4: Belanger-Eager-Jones (experienced 4line)
  • Petrell-Hordichuk (extras)
  • Pairing1: Smid-Petry
  • Pairing2: N Schultz-J Schultz
  • Pairing3: Whitney-Potter
  • Peckham (extra)
  • G1: Dubnyk
  • G2: Khabibulin or Danis

The addition of an NHL defenseman is vital to this team’s hope for a playoff spot. Vital. You can see the forward depth developing–if Harski can grab a 2line job that allows the club to put Yakupov on the 3line and have 2 mentors in Horcoff and Smyth.

  • Odd men out: Paajarvi up front, but that’s a guess and any injury up front would mean he’s the first recall. I think Teubert is the obvious choice for recall among the D, although Fedun has done some nice things this fall and winter. I think Danis makes the team.

PROJECTED TRAINING CAMP ROSTER

  1. G Devan Dubnyk
  2. G Yann Danis
  3. G Nikolai Khabibulin (IR)
  4. D Ladislav Smid
  5. D Jeff Petry
  6. D Nick Schultz
  7. D Justin Schultz
  8. D Ryan Whitney
  9. D Corey Potter
  10. D Theo Peckham
  11. D Andy Sutton (IR)
  12. D Colten Teubert
  13. D Taylor Fedun
  14. D David Musil
  15. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  16. C Sam Gagner
  17. C Shawn Horcoff
  18. C Eric Belanger
  19. C Chris VandeVelde
  20. C Anton Lander
  21. L Taylor Hall
  22. L Teemu Hartikainen
  23. L Ryan Smyth
  24. L Ben Eager
  25. L Darcy Hordichuk
  26. R Ales Hemsky
  27. R Jordan Eberle
  28. R Nail Yakupov
  29. R Ryan Jones
  30. R Lennart Petrell
  31. W Magnus Paajarvi

More as we go, GDT for OKC game about noon.

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100 Responses to "OILERS 12-13: LETS HAVE A LOOK!"

  1. Ben says:

    Any word on whether Stauffer’s ‘wow factor’ trade is still on the table?

    Here’s hoping the NHL does the right thing and commissions a hill-top memorial for poor Bill Daly.

  2. HBomb says:

    Good news to wake up on a Sunday to…is it too early for a celebratory cocktail?

    Orange juice and vodka might be the “answer” here…

  3. Lowetide says:

    HBomb:
    Good news to wake up on a Sunday to…is it too early for a celebratory cocktail?

    Orange juice and vodka might be the “answer” here…

    You should write a book! Excellent choice!

  4. Lowetide says:

    I’m wondering how many OKC players will be in camp. The OKC sked after today is

    Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:00 pm CST Charlotte at Oklahoma City
    Sat, Jan 12, 2013 7:00 pm CST Charlotte at Oklahoma City
    Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:00 pm CST Texas at Oklahoma City

    and with Hall, Ebs and Schultz unlikely to be playing today, do they have time to call people up? Last night’s scratches were

    B Brandon Davidson
    D Dan Ringwald
    W Antti Tyrvainen
    L Kristians Pelss
    D Colten Teubert
    R Erick Lizon
    D Jordan Henry

    Some of those guys are injured, but if Hall, Ebs and Schultz are called up I suspect Cornet and Rajala are on the way soon.

  5. HBomb says:

    Lowetide: You should write a book! Excellent choice!

    I’ve also got a bottle of mango rum here. It’s good to have options.

    Time for hockey questions, Oiler specific and otherwise:

    - When does the “wow” deal that Stauffer predicted happen?
    - Will the Oilers address the defense, finally?
    - How will Edmonton utilize their two compliance buyouts? Maybe do they trade for an overpriced player from a “budget” team to use one of those slots, picking up an extra asset in the process?
    - Will the NHL realign into a four division format? Does that mean contraction or expansion by two teams?
    - Further to the previous, will a four division format and unbalanced schedule lend itself to a playoff format where the top four teams in four divisions make the playoffs? If the schedule is unbalanced towards divisional games, wouldn’t this make sense?
    - Will the NHL finally come up with a more logical system for awarding points for wins, where an OT game doesn’t have 50% more impact on the standings? 3 for a regulation win, 2 for an OT/SO win, 1 for an OT/SO loss, 0 for a regulation loss? Or perhaps 2 for a regulation win, 1 for a win in extra time of any sort, and 0 for any kind of loss? Something that makes more sense would be nice…..

    Nice to talk about what really matters again….

  6. spoiler says:

    HBomb:
    Good news to wake up on a Sunday to…is it too early for a celebratory cocktail?

    Orange juice and vodka might be the “answer” here…

    OJ and champagne.. Mimosas are The Brunch Drink and nothing celebrates like champagne.

    However, having personally experienced your predilection for hard spirits, and I’m thinking champagne doesn’t quite have the kick you like.

    Baileys and coffee I think for me.

  7. dessert1111 says:

    Do you think there’s a chance Arcobello or Plante get invited to the camp? Will there be any consideration for completing depleting OKC for a few games? Would they bring a guy like Deck up for a couple of days at the beginning to get a look at him? I think they normally have a handful of camp invites like that, but since it’s a weird year, I’m not sure what to expect.

  8. HBomb says:

    spoiler,

    Speeds: not saying hard liquor somehow “helps”, but even though I enjoy champagne, it is the absolute worst thing for someone who has to to take prescription medication for chronic acid reflux.

  9. Lowetide says:

    H Bomb: Agree, hockey is back and we can get away from the mind numbing lockout chatter and arguing over the value of 5th rd picks.

    1. I think they go get a D with an expiring contract–a Streit–and
    2. end up dealing for Bouwmeester in the summer.
    3. Horcoff, not that creative it wouldn’t occur to them. Maybe MacT
    4. No. Again, this is too creative.
    5. Great idea. Won’t happen. Why? Great idea.
    6. Hahahahaahaa. Good one.

  10. hunter1909 says:

    Alcohol can be a wonderful thing but kids, always remember the indians called it FIREWATER for good reason.

    They fed cheap “blended” whisky to monkeys. They started fighting. They fed single malt whisky to monkeys, and they got happy.

    In short: I used to gaze longingly at whisky store windows, but now that I recognise many of the brands it’s seriously doubtful if it was a good idea.

  11. hunter1909 says:

    I’m good to go with the new Oilers…because they either quickly get it together and become that second dynasty I think they can be, or else they’ll shit the bed, fuck up, regress, and I’ll do the same thing I did after the Messier “trade” – stop watching hockey altogether.

    -fair weather fan-

  12. Woodguy says:

    HBomb,

    Hbomb talking booze. All is right with the world.

    Someone trading a player that needs to be bought out implies that the team had 3 players they wanted to buy out.

    What teams do you see having 3 guys who need to get whacked?

  13. Matt.N says:

    I am not one of the hard line guys who say they will never follow the NHL again. This is my personel protest. I won’t go to a live game or buy any merchandise. I will watch on tv at home or support local pubs. I won’t pay ridiculous ticket prices, $20 to park, $10 beers and shitty food. I’m not asking you not to follow, I’m asking you not to go.

  14. Woodguy says:

    HBomb,

    Changing how they award points will never happen.

    The current system has teams “in the mix” for a playoff spot much later in the season than your proposal.

    The NHL wants to have more “meaningful” games, not less.

    Your idea makes sense, but not from a NHL perspective that wants to sell tickets late in the season everywhere. Meaningful games helps sell tickets.

    I’ll give you a pass on this as “meaningful games” and “Oilers” haven’t been in the same sentence for 7 years.

    7!

  15. Woodguy says:

    HBomb,

    NHL will expand to 32 teams.

    Probably by 16/17 season, but 15/16 is in the mix if Seattle’s arena is ready. EDIT: Quebec City’s rink expected to open in 2015 too.

    Seattle, Quebec City and Ontario will have teams.

    2 will be new, one will move.

    Not sure which one moves as all the teams in the league are tied to a rink in various degrees…except the Oilers….and that will probably happen later this month.

  16. speeds says:

    Woodguy:
    HBomb,
    Someone trading a player that needs to be bought out implies that the team had 3 players they wanted to buy out.

    What teams do you see having 3 guys who need to get whacked?

    Not necessarily, there could be a team that has one player to buy out but would prefer to save the actual cash, and trade that player and some hockey talent, draft picks, etc instead of spending the actual money, to a team that is happy to spend the money buying a player out provided they receive enough hockey talent in return to offset the financial cost.

    Basically, buying talent/draft picks, which generally isn’t allowed but may be here.

  17. Lowetide says:

    I’d like to have a Beckenbaugh trophy awarded, and have decided it should go to:

    the best player on a team filled with bad players and also rans.

    1. Thoughts?
    2. Last year’s winner? Oiler?

  18. Woodguy says:

    speeds: Not necessarily, there could be a team that has one player to buy out but would prefer to save the actual cash, and trade that player and some hockey talent, draft picks, etc instead of spending the actual money, to a team that is happy to spend the money buying a player out provided they receive enough hockey talent in return to offset the financial cost.

    Basically, buying talent/draft picks, which generally isn’t allowed but may be here.

    See any teams in the situation you describe?

  19. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I’d like to have a Beckenbaugh trophy awarded, and have decided it should go to:

    the best player on a team filled with bad players and also rans.

    1. Thoughts?
    2. Last year’s winner? Oiler?

    Last year its Nash in a walk.

  20. spoiler says:

    speeds: Not necessarily, there could be a team that has one player to buy out but would prefer to save the actual cash, and trade that player and some hockey talent, draft picks, etc instead of spending the actual money, to a team that is happy to spend the money buying a player out provided they receive enough hockey talent in return to offset the financial cost.

    Basically, buying talent/draft picks, which generally isn’t allowed but may be here.

    The problem is the same as you raised with Horcoff. Most players with big contracts have movement restrictions.

    The nice thing is, the Schultz signing indicates other players’ views of Edmonton as a destination is trending upwards.

    Speeds, Sportsnet’s cycled morning news just reported the 50% rule as every year as you had originally thought.

  21. "Steve Smith" says:

    1. If there are amnesty buyouts in the deal, I think it’s premature to slot Horcoff into the lineup. I love the guy, but I don’t see how they keep him around, especially if (as I gather) his cap hit’s going to remain $5.5 million with a lower cap. I also assume, but don’t know, that there would be a rule precluding us from re-signing him after buying him out.

    2. On that note, do we know that using an amnesty buyout on a player you trade for is allowed? My hunch is that it would be precluded in the CBA, which would be bad news for the Oilers, since they’re really only got Horcoff.

    3. Any overpaid but effective veteran defencemen from around the league likely to find themselves suddenly without contracts and with burning desires to mentor Justin Schultz?

    4. Hockey.

  22. Woodguy says:

    spoiler,

    Speeds, Sportsnet’s cycled morning news just reported the 50% rule as every year as you had originally thought

    Is that 50% of the highest year in any year or just the last year?

  23. spoiler says:

    LT,

    Kiprusoff.

    Hopefully this year anyways.

  24. speeds says:

    Woodguy: See any teams in the situation you describe?

    Thee only possibility I can think of off the top of my head is Lecavalier in TB, but as Spoiler notes, he has a NMC so he could theoretically block it. He may not though, if he and his agent calculated he could get more through a buyout plus new contract than from his contract alone.

    Is there a team that would be willing to pay 35 mil to buy Lecavalier out? I don’t know, probably if they get enough talent back in the deal. Would TB be willing to move 35 mil worth of talent just to get rid of Lecavalier? Probably not.

  25. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    spoiler,

    Speeds, Sportsnet’s cycled morning news just reported the 50% rule as every year as you had originally thought

    Is that 50% of the highest year in any year or just the last year?

    It’s since been corrected to last year only. Originally the news outlets had it wrong per speeds and LT in the prior thread.

  26. speeds says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Amnesty buyouts apparently don’t start until the summer, if that’s the case then he’s likely here for this season anyways.

  27. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    3. Any overpaid but effective veteran defencemen from around the league likely to find themselves suddenly without contracts and with burning desires to mentor Justin Schultz?

    Smid-Petry (who fared well against toughs last year)
    X-Shultz X=wow guy or freshly bought out vet
    Shultz-Whitney

    That D-corps might actually win more than they lose.

    Assuming Whitney can pivot on his ankle. Not betting on that.

  28. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy,

    Oh, sure, if there’s a Wow Defenceman, then we’re probably okay-ish. I just don’t think there will be.

  29. speeds says:

    Woodguy,

    There may also be some lesser salaried guys from smaller market teams where a big money team will gladly buy the player out for a mil or two to pick up a 2nd or 3rd round pick, I haven’t combed through the rosters to see who those guys might be.

  30. speeds says:

    "Steve Smith",

    Woodguy,

    Would not be shocked to see EDM sign Redden next summer after he’s bought out, he’s been rumored to EDM before. Although, who knows how much there ever was to that, nevermind who knows how EDM’s management and pro scouts see him now?

  31. Woodguy says:

    Was just thinking about the team and got pretty excited about the prospect of a healthy Hemsky with guys who can cash his passes.

    Can’t wait to see what Krueger does with the lines.

  32. Lowetide says:

    WG: I was looking at the PP, and wonder if Hemsky AND Eberle are on the 1PP? you have Hall, Schultz, Nuge, is it Ebs on R and Hemsky on LD on PP? Too many shooters?

    Hemmer did play LD on the PP in Hull btw.

  33. "Steve Smith" says:

    speeds:
    “Steve Smith”,

    Woodguy,

    Would not be shocked to see EDM sign Redden next summer after he’s bought out, he’s been rumored to EDM before.Although, who knows how much there ever was to that, nevermind who knows how EDM’s management and pro scouts see him now?

    I thought last I heard Redden was full value for his AHL roster spot, and it wasn’t just his contract that was putting him there.

  34. russ99 says:

    I wouldn’t break up the top kid line, especially if that’s just to put Hartikainen in the top 6 where he obviously doesn’t yet belong.

    Personally, I would’t mind seeing him stay in the AHL at least for the time being, and see what kind of player we have without an NHL star propping him up.

    Besides, Yakupov has shown in the KHL and in international play that he’s good enough not to be saddled with Horcoff. IMO, Yakupov and Hemsky should definitely be playing together.

    Again, if we’re playing a western conference only schedule, we need a player or two to make up a good checking line in order to make the playoffs. Maybe make the third line Smyth, Horcoff, Jones and bring in a good two-way RW to play with Belanger and Eager along with giving that 4th line more of the tougher minutes.

    In a Western Conference schedule there will be few creampuff teams that we can just roll over with our offense.

  35. stevezie says:

    “Each team will be allowed two amnesty buyouts that can be used to terminate contracts after this season and next season. ” – TSN

    So, if I’m reading this right, we will for sure have Horcoff for this season, and if we like him we can keep him for one more before buying him out? This is fantastic news (it’s nice to have options).

  36. Lowetide says:

    Gotta say its nice to see so many of the group back this morning! It’ll really get rolling when Steve Tambellini re-signs Cam Barker!

  37. speeds says:

    Lowetide,

    Doubt Hemsky’s on the 1st PP, would expect him to be on 2nd unit feeding Yakupov.

    My guesses:

    Hall
    Gagner
    Eberle
    RNH
    Schultz

    Hemsky
    Smyth
    Yakupov
    Petry
    Whitney

    Although maybe they keep Horcoff on one of the units, and take off one of the D or Smyth or Yakupov?

  38. slopitch says:

    Queue the MSM story about how Ryan Whitney’s ankle has never been better… For the sake of ill predict Whitney + MPS in the wow trade. Expiring contract and a quality prospect.

    A hot start and we could see the playoffs. Exciting to have hockey back.

    Prediction 2: games are worth so much we see a record percentage of 3pt games

  39. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    1. If there are amnesty buyouts in the deal, I think it’s premature to slot Horcoff into the lineup.I love the guy, but I don’t see how they keep him around, especially if (as I gather) his cap hit’s going to remain $5.5 million with a lower cap.I also assume, but don’t know, that there would be a rule precluding us from re-signing him after buying him out.

    2. On that note, do we know that using an amnesty buyout on a player you trade for is allowed?My hunch is that it would be precluded in the CBA, which would be bad news for the Oilers, since they’re really only got Horcoff.

    3. Any overpaid but effective veteran defencemen from around the league likely to find themselves suddenly without contracts and with burning desires to mentor Justin Schultz?

    4. Hockey.

    2. I think this will turn about to be true. Kind of mirrors waiver rules.

    3. Timonen, Streit, Vishnovsky all UFA this summer. They might be available at the deadline. I don’t think the Oil will go THAT old though. And seeing where Whitney is at is going to have some effect on the decision-making process. LT is right though, it’s something they really need to deal with as soon as possible.

    Does anyone know if the exempt buyout is in effect now and this summer, or is it only this summer?

  40. Ducey says:

    I found the new CBA’s method of dealing with the #1 pick interesting. Not sure why it was a concern but obviously someone is pissed at the Oilers.

    All 14 teams can now get the #1 (as before) but with no restriction on moving up more that 4 spots. So if you win the lottery you get the #1 rather than just moving up 4 selections.

    So the Oilers could just miss the playoffs and still get the first overall. Nice.

    LT, does the return of the NHL mean you get your Oilersnation radio gig back?

  41. Professor Q says:

    Ducey,

    Was it under no circumstances will the Oilers have a #1 pick ever, ever again, or what?

  42. Lowetide says:

    Ducey: Stay tuned…..

  43. godot10 says:

    I refuse to believe that Krueger will be as dumb as Renney and keep his 6th best winger in OKC, or have no clue how to use him.

    Yakupov, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle
    Hall, Gagner, Hemsky
    Smyth, Horcoff, Paajarvi
    Hartikainen, Belanger, Petrell

    True, Paajarvi could be gone in a trade for a D…but I am amazed so many people are still drinking the Renney Kool-Aid on Paajarvi, and so many other players at the bottom end of the roster that Renney misused.

  44. HBomb says:

    stevezie:
    “Each team will be allowed two amnesty buyouts that can be used to terminate contracts after this season and next season. ” – TSN

    So, if I’m reading this right, we will for sure have Horcoff for this season, and if we like him we can keep him for one more before buying him out? This is fantastic news (it’s nice to have options).

    Particulary with respect to the expiry of Nugent-Hopkins’ ELC (question: does the new CBA change the rules on ELC deal cap hits?) and the Oilers lack of depth at centre (i.e. neither Belanger or Lander should be your 3C if you hope to be anything other than terrible), I do think Horcoff will be bought-out under the amnesty clause, but it happens after next season, not this one.

    Of course, if they had another acquisition planned who could fill the role on the 3rd line properly (i.e. better than alternatives listed above) for a reasonable price, they might pull the trigger early, but that assumes they are able to sign a UFA or pick up another asset via trade. I do believe that Edmonton has improved in terms of being an attractive free agent destination. I do not believe that the time over the lockout to “evaluate” his strengths and weaknesses have made Steve Tambellini a better GM.

  45. speeds says:

    Ducey,

    Have you seen any specific lottery details, at one point Bob MacKenzie was saying something about a team losing some of their balls in the lottery bin if they’d had previous #1 OV picks, but I wasn’t sure if that was referring to the new lottery setup, or the way things worked in the Crosby lottery last lockout?

    Did anyone catch that?

  46. spoiler says:

    spoiler: 2. I think this will turn about to be true. Kind of mirrors waiver rules.

    3. Timonen, Streit, Vishnovsky all UFA this summer. They might be available at the deadline. I don’t think the Oil will go THAT old though. And seeing where Whitney is at is going to have some effect on the decision-making process.LT is right though, it’s something they really need to deal with as soon as possible.

    Does anyone know if the exempt buyout is in effect now and this summer, or is it only this summer?

    Speeds has it it above, dumbass. Maybe refresh before posting.

  47. Lowetide says:

    Godot; I don’t think its drinking kool-aid, but do believe Paajarvi is in tough to make the roster. They’ll want him to play, so replacing Hordichuk or Petrell won’t cut it. He might replace Jones but I think the smart bet is he doesn’t.

    Best chance to make it? Injury. Second best chance? Outplay Hartikainen if he gets the chance.

  48. oilersfan says:

    FYI Stauffer said this week on his show his wow deal won’t work. something to do with the lockout going past dec. 1 and a detail in a contract somewhere. He wouldn’t elaborate but it is off the table.

    He also said within the calendar year expect a very good player to come to Edmonton without giving up any of Hall, RNH, Eberle or Schultz. He didn’t say anything about not losing Hemsky or MP though.

    I read in a few places that the lowest year of a contract cannot be less than 50% of the highest year. I am assuming that is still the rule.

    No details anywhere on the amnesty buyouts…if it is 2/3 of the contract, if that player can re-sign with his own team, if it can be a traded player. Important details to know.

    Also there had been mention that teams may have up to 55 contracts in place yesterday but no mention of it today one way or the other.

    The NHL gave the PA all they wanted last night. Not sure how this deal is different than what could have been had from both sides on Sept. 30.

  49. hunter1909 says:

    I can’t really think of a better destination to play hockey than Edmonton. Play on a team with FIVE prospective superstars, pad your stats like crazy, then sign for your next team with a 100% pay increase.

    Maybe it’s time to start acquiring washed up former greats to play on the 3rd and 4th lines, especially with Horcoff’s leadership one way or the other.

    I sure hope the hell they keep Pajaarvi in the AHL for the season. Fuck up a prospect? Just let them play for a 30th place hockey team in a 30 team league – works like a charm.

    Like I said…either they make the playoffs and make everyone happy, or else return in 9 months with Seth Jones hahahahahahahaha

    Good times for Oiler fans, young and old.

  50. oilersfan says:

    also fwiw stauffer has been saying

    RNH Hall EBerle

    Gagner Yak Hemsky

    Horc Smyth Jones

    Harti Belanger Petrell

  51. bookje says:

    I am thrilled, mostly because I think RNH, Yakupov, Hall, Eberle, Shultz and Krueger are going to make this season exciting. There are questions around what Smyth, Hemsky, Horcoff, Whitney, and Dubnyk will bring, but it’s the start of the season and there are reasons to be optimistic.

    I think the short season will help the Oilers make the playoffs.

    Lets go…

  52. bookje says:

    I say star Dubnyk with Danis as backup. Send Kabibulin to the AHL for conditioning.

  53. Lowetide says:

    oilersfan:
    also fwiw stauffer has been saying
    RNH Hall EBerle
    Gagner Yak Hemsky
    Horc Smyth Jones
    Harti Belanger Petrell

    Makes sense from a ‘they’ve been playing together pov, and the three line could be a checking line if Jones doesn’t fly the coop every damn time.

  54. pboy says:

    1. If the buy-outs can’t occur until the summer, we get Horcoff for at least 1 more season. That’s a good thing.

    2. I wonder if Tim Thomas has changed his mind about sitting out this season?

    3. Murray Edwards has given me another reason to hate the Flames.

    4. Hockey.

  55. bookje says:

    Anyone else already missing legal discussions about disclaimers of interests and post CBA contract legitimacy? I had ‘Successful NHL injunction against the NHLPA disclaimer in a NY court’ in my lockout pool so I am a little pissed off right now.

  56. Lois Lowe says:

    I don’t know which I am happier about, the NHL being back or real hockey conversation on this blog. All of the CBA negotiation talk was hitting a little too close home; being in law school and having my favorite diversion discussing the intricacies of labour law and collective bargaining was taking a toll on my sanity.

    Any guesses on the first major injury? I am thinking Whitney.

  57. spoiler says:

    bookje:
    I am thrilled, mostly because I think RNH, Yakupov, Hall,Eberle, Shultz and Krueger are going to make this season exciting.There are questions around what Smyth, Hemsky, Horcoff, Whitney, and Dubnyk will bring, but it’s the start of the season and there are reasons to be optimistic.

    I think the short season will help the Oilers make the playoffs.

    Lets go…

    I think Smyth will be greatly aided by the shorter season, and Whitney has to have benefitted from the late start. Hemmer shooting more and scoring in Pardubice has helped his confidence. Doobie was stellar at the Spengler. I’m pretty hopeful about most of the question marks. But you’re right, tis the season for optimism.

  58. sliderule says:

    If you watched wjc you would have noticed RNH hasnt got any better with faceoffs.

    I think you have to have a winger on his line that can take a lot of draws.Smyth??

  59. doritogrande says:

    I may be way off base here, but is there a clause/understanding with Russia that allows us to pull Yakupov from his team in the middle of the KHL season?

  60. bookje says:

    Damn – Ryan Whiney tweet an hour ago.

    “Jumped out of bed this AM when I heard news. Tweaked ankle a bit. Should be ok to play though. #falsehopes #glassfoot”

  61. bookje says:

    doritogrande,

    Without knowing the details, there is something in his contract – otherwise he would not be there.

  62. DBO says:

    And we are back. Well, maybe too much coffee and lack of sleep made them both think they got the best deal?

    As for the Oil, TSN coverage (shockingly all morning non stop) made me smile. good to see actual news and anticipation.

    A few Oil observations:
    - Gagner played point on the PP in europe and had success. I expect him there with the Oil since there is no spot up front and we lack top end DMen.
    - Reflecting on Friedman’s 30 thoughts this summer a(a bunch about the Oil) I expect Yakupov to play 3rd line withe the vets. Then he can be dropped to 4th in close games and Jones slides up to be a true checking line.
    - Vet UFA dmen are in short supply. Chris Campoli and Colin White top list of solid Offensive and defensive dmen. I would like White on a 1 yr deal. He’s not flashy, but he is a solid 3rd pairing vet who will not hurt us (unlike Peckham and Potter). Play 4 forwards on the PP and we are good.

    So welcome back hockey. Get your shit together quickly, Oil fly out of the gates, make playoffs then all is forgiven (sort of)

  63. Professor Q says:

    bookje,

    Sarcasm, I hope?

  64. DBO says:

    bookje,

    Not his real account at least. You may be kidding, but it is just too soon. Lets try for a day of positive people. Sky blue, flying elephants exist. No need to pollute the waters from the actual issues (which are many)

  65. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    WG: I was looking at the PP, and wonder if Hemsky AND Eberle are on the 1PP? you have Hall, Schultz, Nuge, is it Ebs on R and Hemsky on LD on PP? Too many shooters?

    Hemmer did play LD on the PP in Hull btw.

    I think Krueger keeps 14 on LD PP1.

    Maybe 94,93,4 with 14 and Shultz the younger on PP1

    Yak, 89,83 with Whitney and Petry on PP2

  66. bookje says:

    I though the #glassfoot made it obvious.

  67. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Makes sense from a ‘they’ve been playing together pov, and the three line could be a checking line if Jones doesn’t fly the coop every damn time.

    In his short stint behind the bench last season Krueger saw through Jones like used neutrogena.

    I hope lines 3 &4 are:

    94-10-91
    37-20-28

  68. Professor Q says:

    So, how does this affect the Barons’ season? Or is that for another article?

  69. Lowetide says:

    PQ: OKC GDT at noon! :-)

  70. FPB94 says:

    Having 40 games will sure make it fluky as hell.

    I predict:

    The Oilers finish 6th
    The Maple Leafs make the playoffs
    Some Joffrey Lupul type wins the Rocket Richard trophy;

    DBO: What a great idea. Always wondered why they didn’t play 4 forwards on PP since our D sucked so much.

  71. DBO says:

    FPB94,

    Yeah, I hope they just take the PP from OKC (which was awesome) and run it the same. No need to practice, they are in mid season form. Then you run the 2nd unit in a similar fashion (gotta hope Krueger had some input on what was done in the AHL so it translates).

    Looking at some OKC PP highlites, look like they had someone in front (Harsky usually). So maybe it’s Horc or Smyth to take the faceoff then slide over.

    Nuge, Hall, Eberle (point), Horc (front), Shultz
    Hemsky, Yak, Gagner(point), Smyth (front), Whitney

    If Harsky makes the team you can slide him in for Smyth or Horc (to save them for the PK). Whitney and Shultz will not see a ton of PK time (hopefully) so the vet dman we add better be a solid PKer (why I like Colin White the best of the UFA’s out there).

  72. Lowetide says:

    FB: MacT used to try it every 5 years, but someone would get a breakaway on the PK and then MacT would kill it.

  73. rickithebear says:

    WG:

    D. Dubnyk was .750 win% and .938 Save% with

    Smid-Petry 1sts
    Whitney-N. Schultz 2nds.

    lets change that? LOL!

    LT:
    Who is on the 1st PP? LOL!
    PP production rank Nhl forwards
    #3 Hall 9.28
    #7 RNH 8.96
    #17 Horcoff 8,54
    #20 Eberle 8.22
    #41 Gagner 7.33
    #100 Smyth 5.96
    #145 Hemsky 4.94
    OVERTHINKING! Clap Clap!

  74. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    FB: MacT used to try it every 5 years, but someone would get a breakaway on the PK and then MacT would kill it.

    LT- Why do you hate MacT so much?

  75. FPB94 says:

    LT: That”s what happens when your designated point man is Patrick Thoresen.

    Jk.

    Over time seeing MTL always being N1 I learned a couple of things about the PP.

    Notably that you’l always need a shot from the point to space the ice, but at the same time you’re usually better off having your 4th F to be a passer instead of a goalscorer. They understand movement better and are more used to handling the puck often. The key to a good PP is constant movement.

    So the point man should be Nuge, Hemsky or Gagner, even if your first reflex is to put somebody who has a good shot.

  76. dessert1111 says:

    Anyone think Petrell or Eager won’t make the team in favour of Hartikainen and Paajarvi? I think Eager will, but I’m not sure about Petrell. His roster spot might go to Hartikainen.

    Hall – RNH – Eberle
    Yakupov – Gagner – Hemsky
    Smyth – Horcoff – Paajarvi
    Hartikainen – Belanger – Jones
    Eager, Hordichuk

    If they go with 8 D — which they might — Eager goes on 4, Jones on 3, and Paajarvi to OKC. Although I don’t know anymore if it’s better for Paajarvi to spend more time in OKC or just learn 3rd line RW playing alongside vets.

  77. FPB94 says:

    Dessert: I also tought Paajarvi seemed way down the list. I’m lukewarm on Petrell.

    But seriously, if they don’t plan on playing their young guns, might as well get something for it.

  78. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: The current system has teams “in the mix” for a playoff spot much later in the season than your proposal.
    The NHL wants to have more “meaningful” games, not less

    This is bullshit from a pure math/game theory perspective. From an “appearances” perspective it makes the races “look” closer, but it is way harder to make up ground. On (frequent) nights when your team gets a clear win, it makes up one point on a rival that lost another game in OT and nothing at all on the rival who won that game. A deficit of just a handful of points is virtually insurmountable down the stretch, no matter what sort of real winning streak you might put together.

    Give a third point to teams that actually win games outright, and they can make up quite a bit of ground, whether other games are split 3-0 or 2-1 is more or less irrelevant. In the 2-1 split of the out of town OT game, you can make up points on BOTH teams. In the present scenario, that’s impossible.

    Moreover, a third point for a regulation win adds a clear disincentive for a team to wait for OT to go for their second point, because that guaranteed point in the back will be offset by a guaranteed LOST point. Way, way, way better system, with checks and balances/ risks and rewards to ensure integrity of competition rather than nudge-nudge-wink-wink let’s wait ’til OT.

  79. Jon K says:

    I’m a happy, happy man. Hopefully once the deal is finalized we see an agreement that is fair for both sides, the ultimate goal of a hard-fought negotiation.

  80. bookje says:

    Bruce McCurdy: This is bullshit from a pure math/game theory perspective. From an “appearances” perspective it makes the races “look” closer, but it is way harder to make up ground. On (frequent) nights when your team gets a clear win, it makes up one point on a rival that lost another game in OT and nothing at all on the rival who won that game. A deficit of just a handful of points is virtually insurmountable down the stretch, no matter what sort of real winning streak you might put together.

    Give a third point to teams that actually win games outright, and they can make up quite a bit of ground, whether other games are split 3-0 or 2-1 is more or less irrelevant. In the 2-1 split of the out of town OT game, you can make up points on BOTH teams. In the present scenario, that’s impossible.

    Moreover, a third point for a regulation win adds a clear disincentive for a team to wait for OT to go for their second point, because that guaranteed point in the back will be offset by a guaranteed LOST point. Way, way, way better system, with checks and balances/ risks and rewards to ensure integrity of competition rather than nudge-nudge-wink-wink let’s wait ’til OT.

    Bruce, I once took a couple of seasons and converted the points to both the old 2 point system (no Bettman point) and to a full 3-point per game system. It made surprisingly little difference (I think one team made the playoffs that would not have). Of course, that does not account for differences in strategy that would have occurred under the different scenarios.

  81. Lewis Grant says:

    oilersfan: He also said within the calendar year expect a very good player to come to Edmonton without giving up any of Hall, RNH, Eberle or Schultz. He didn’t say anything about not losing Hemsky or MP though.

    Notice Yakupov is not on the ‘protected’ list.

    OK, so what “very good” defenseman is coming back in a ‘wow’ trade that involves some combination of Yakupov/Hemsky/MPS/other?

    Mike Green? (wouldn’t doubt it – he is expendable)
    Keith Yandle? (is he “very good”?)

    We know the Oilers like local guys:
    Jay Booumeester? (probably most likely, but is he “very good”?)
    Tyler Myers? (please God YES)
    Dion Phaneuf? (please God NOOOOOOOOOOOOO)

  82. spoiler says:

    24 mins ago…

    Josh Green‏@greendogg12

    @ebs_14 @hallsy04 and @6Schultz6 all healthy scratches today. Hang in there fellas. Get in a good workout.

    Huge surprise, lol.

  83. bookje says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Also, bullshit matters when it comes to fan perceptions. Many people don’t think about the math much and as a result fans in about 2/3 of the league can be excited that their team is ‘over 0.500′ with the current point system. As WG noted, it also make the playoff situation appear closer which is valuable if you are selling tickets. From a math point of view, I would love a 3-point system, but from a marketing point of view, the current system makes sense.

  84. Bruce McCurdy says:

    bookje: Of course, that does not account for differences in strategy that would have occurred under the different scenarios.

    The great unknown. But the % of games that are tied after regulation has shot up through the Bettman Point era, each and every year. Call it “parity” if you like, but to me “game management” is the best fit. The whole thing is fucking bogus as far as I’m concerned. All the other sports have level playing fields, but hockey has this dog’s breakfast flim-flam made-up joke of a “system” that has turned competitive integrity into a steaming pile of horse droppings.

    Not that I have a strong opinion on the matter or anything.

  85. DBO says:

    Stauffer tweeting ryan jones out with eye injury. could be a few weeks. Looks like Magnus may have a shot to start with big club

  86. Bruce McCurdy says:

    If 2/3 of the fans in the league are still excited about .500 as a benchmark when it has been menaningless for years, the fans in this league are a lot dumber than I give them credit for. But the leasue has been treating us all like dummies for years, maybe they know something.

    The fans don’t rightly know what the benchmark is, because it’s a moving target. But the true benchmark is 8th place, not .500. If they went back to a balanced system, 8th place would be right around .500 and all would become clearer.

  87. jake70 says:

    I don’t think this is news but that wow trade must have been Luongo one would guess. The TSN boys were talking about where he would end up. Mackenzie mentioned the Oilers had interest, but Luongo didn’t want to play in Edmonton, and he also mentioned Vancouver, on their side didn’t want him going to Edmonton, interesting enough.

  88. jake70 says:

    I think Jones’ eye injury initially started from staring too hard at Eberle’s head in the game where the above photo came from.

  89. Lowetide says:

    lol. THAT was funny.

  90. Bruce McCurdy says:

    As for that powerplay, why not load it up and go with Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky and Schultz on the first unit?

    I suppose it’s a bit radical to keep pulling the goalie like that, but who cares when the other guys never ever touch the puck? Golzzzzz!

  91. Jaw17 says:

    So wow move?

  92. Lowetide says:

    not so wow.

  93. DeadmanWaking says:

    Woodguy,

    Absolutely. The NHL operates along Catholic lines of “meaningful” procreation, as opposed to procreative acts with zest and imagination and spinning wowsas–but no delivery-room import. The league is most certainly content to keep us sitting on the edges of our expensive seats, tip-nipping steamy tubesocks plosive with lipids&assholes, washing down this agreeably sweaty confection of rubbery nubbins with overgassed swill, moaning with our eyes half closed in anticipation of a favoured outcome accruing to a favoured total, until the messenger stork flashes his badge and you go: “Who me? Was she pretty? Gosh, I don’t remember a thing. But we won, eh, in the shoot-out? Cool!”

    With a 3-2-1-0 system with 3 points awarded for actually winning, there would be more guts and grace and glory on the ice in the inky darkness of February and fewer late-season scratch-and-win urine sticks piling up in the NHL coffers.

    The Kelly McGonigal book I read recently explains that those experimental rats with electrodes in their pleasure center who kept pressing the level until they starved to death were mistakenly believed to be stimulating their pleasure centers. In truth–as science has since determined–they were stimulating a related neural center which governs the expectation of pleasure. Humans who have had the same region implanted also become fanatic about pressing the red button, but they don’t report any pleasure, just a tense and super-irritating and addictive expectation of pleasure that never arrives.

    It’s actually the expectation of pleasure that triggers addictive behaviours, regardless of whether any pleasure results. This is why drug addicts keep taking drugs long after the drug no longer causes a high worth having. This is why we keep dialing the cute red-haired girl who never returns our calls and who is really out of our league anyway … if we even have a league.

    If one manages to inadvertently enjoy oneself (or each other) as one goes about one’s meaningful and orthodox business (i.e. not by oneself and with no origami), I understand that the Catholic church doesn’t complain too much. Actually, out of curiosity I just looked up sex during pregnancy which (once known) severely shortens the mental odds of conception, one would think. The edict of the Catholic church seems to boil down to a single method of family planning: doing without. I visualize the Pearly Gates installing a miniature TSA body scanner. How big? Roughly the size of a bread box. You just dangle your very very very blue balls in there, a divine light forms an outline of a previously invisible door, and you waltz right in. How blue? Forty years blue. No queue for you. Only your waltz has a small hitch in your step as you cross through the light, and you feel like you’ve just had a pair of teeth removed from where you least expected wisdom, and you look back and there is Saint Peter with a long pair of tongs waving two small blue orbs freshly plucked–dense orbs of blue, deep deep blue, not the orbs themselves–and he is sternly and benignly warning the heavenly throng: “Everyone stand back! These are very blue!” and now you know why everyone standing in line has been issued a heavenly supplicant welder’s mask and quickly the masks go up in unison before Saint Peter squeezes the tongs and pops the twin walnuts of electric blueness with a blinding dazzle of the path forsaken. And this new sensation in your tender gums is the most amazing thing–your masculine tongue feels the outlines of the empty root sockets where the blue blue blue used to well and torment, and now there is joy–only joy–and purity–only joy and purity–and a blissful, eternal nothing itch.

    In any case, my point is that “meaningful” and “joyful” are by no means synonymous, and if you focus too much on the former, you end up with less of the latter.

    There’s actually a second dimension to this from the league perspective. Low scoring games (e.g. 2-2 ties) are more likely to keep viewers glued to the tube in the 3rd period. Three minute natural hat-tricks deliver too much pleasure in a short dose.

    It’s also easier for the ugly step-sisters (the have-nots) to almost make the playoffs from the bottom of the salary bracket with five plumbers clogging the neutral zone shift after shift. They are so close to making the playoffs in the final week of the season, the pleasure center completely forgets it isn’t getting any. Isn’t the human brain an amazing organ?

  94. Lewis Grant says:

    I think I’d also take PK Subban in a ‘wow’ trade. But I’m not sure I want Luongo. We could have had an equally good (if older) Vokoun for $2M a year last off-season.

  95. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Woodguy,

    Love the 3 points handed out every night system as it does not penalize offensive minded teams, but you’re right the owners will never give up on being only 2-3 points out in 12th place (even if 3 point wins can make up the imaginary extra ground).

    So if were stuck on 2 points let’s really creative and make the point gaps even tighter:
    - 2 points for a regulation or 10 minute overtime win.
    - 1 point for a shootout win.
    - 0 points for all losses.

    Now there’s even fewer points handed out and even more reward for offense.

    BTW, How was your Hemsky/Brown bet worded? I’m assuming you only get the 48 games? What’s the defecit to make up?

  96. Rebilled says:

    Lewis Grant,

    in regards to Yakupov, if the Oilers are thinking about trading him in the wow trade, do they:

    1. Let him play this year banking on his output.
    2. Trade him now.

  97. Lowetide says:

    Theres no way they trade Yakupov. None.

  98. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    I agree there’s no way they could be shopping him, but if they get Godfathered? If they someone puts either a young franchise defenceman in play? Or If Montreal for some reason suggests Galenchyuk and Subban for Nail + ? We have to consider that don’t we?
    I’m right there with you for not condemning Nail for an “only pretty good” juniors and summit series, but I don’t think he’s reached untouchable status yet.

  99. jb says:

    Can we please stop talking about this “wow” trade like it was some kinda inside info leaked to Stauffer. He threw the obvious out there when there was nothing but cba to talk about.. all of a sudden the internet erupts like this was a new idea?

    Any idiot following the Oilers knows they’ve been looking to real in a big fish since the Heatley drama.. It’s been about timing since then.. but everyone knows Katz intentions are to still bring in that great white shark.

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