OILERS AT FLAMES, G4 (12-13) 26.1.13

Oilers-Flames games that were Edmonton-Calgary contests began in the fall of 1980, and it was–as it is now–a tepid event. Wayne Gretzky and Blair MacDonald, impact scorers in the revamped NHL, played with various LW’s that fall including Brett Callighen, Don Ashby, Glenn Anderson and Dave Semenko. On the night of October 22, 1980, the Flames caught  a break (or so it seemed) because it was Semenko on the portside. The Edmonton Northlands crowd enjoyed a 5-3 victory, with Semenko scoring 2 goals on the night.

  • Semenko: “I knew I’d get a lot of chances playing with him. What we’ve worked on in practice is for me to get into the right position to shoot the puck.”

Semenko would finish the season with 11 goals, Ashby 2, Callighen 25 and Anderson 30. Playing with Gretzky was  a pretty good business.

After the opening game, 99 put things in context for history to see:

  • Gretzky on an Oiler-Flames rivalry: “It will develop in the years to come. The players didn’t feel it, but the fans might build it up.”

For many years the Oilers and Flames was THE rivalry in the NHL, certainly through the 80s and I’d say a little into the 1990s. After that, one team or another has been poor and these last many seasons the Oilers have been in full rebuild mode. The Flames are hanging on and in fact ADDing veterans as they go, so a true rivalry is perhaps years away. Having said that, Oiler fans at the very least can look forward to a better showing against our friends to the south. And by friends, I mean Godless pukes.

This PK Subban situation seems to be coming to some kind of a crescendo and honestly it makes so little sense the mind boggles:

I would be unwilling to make a deal using any of the #1 overalls, Jordan Eberle, Justin Schultz; I don’t think the Oilers have enough booty to get off the ground without those items. speeds has mentioned offer sheet but the Oilers dealt their 3rd rd pick for Mark Fistric–which impacts the offer sheet possibilities–so that appears to be a distant bell. Subban would be a ‘perfect fit’ for this Oiler team, giving them a legit top pairing guy who can play huge minutes and run with the horses up front. I don’t believe there’s a deal there for the Oilers.

I’ve been thinking about Ryan Smyth this week, #94 is showing some signs of wear–kinda funny to write that because of course he’s slowing down. Ryan Smyth has been Cool Hand Luke since he was a kid, never giving in and never letting up. Years ago I was at Rexall, sitting down low, in one of the corners. Smyth was battling with an opposition defender, and it was very intense. One minute the defender would get the edge, but Smyth would slam the door and vice versa. Twice during the exchange Smyth had some clearance but the ref was blocking the escape route. Finally, Smyth, still in the life and death struggle, looked at the ref and said “get out of the way!” and we all collapsed in laughter. Ryan Smyth has an idea of how to play the game, and it involves singular dedication to the task and complete abandon.

And now the man who bleeds copper and blue can see his 37th birthday and is slowing. Here’s a sample of some TOI seasons by Smyth (chosen randomly):

  • 97-98: 18:03 total, 12:41evens, 0:06sh, 5:15pp
  • 00-01: 19:58 total, 13:30evens, 0:55sh, 5:31pp
  • 05-06: 20:12 total, 12:49evens, 2:03sh, 5:19pp
  • 11-12: 19:04 total, 14:26 evens, 2:09sh, 2:28pp
  • 12-13: 15:53 total, 8:27 evens, 3:33sh, 3:52pp

This season is just starting and the Oilers have played at least one game that skewed TOI but it is interesting to see the progression (and then regression) of playing time. Smyth was not a 5 minute option last year on the PP (Oilers had no one much past 3 minutes btw) and ranks 8th among forwards so far this season on the man advantage. However, in terms of PK, we see our man Smyth increasing his time there, in fact this season he is third in F TOI at the discipline.

Smyth doesn’t have a point yet this season, no big deal at evens (he’s played about 26 minutes). He and Horcoff are going to get a lot of work against the tough western conference forwards and its going to be a long long season no matter the shortened GP.

Here’s how he ranks among LW’s by discipline:

EVENS

  1. Hall 15:50
  2. Yakupov 10:50
  3. Smyth 8:27
  4. Hartikainen 7:02
  5. Petrell 5:48

POWERPLAY

  1. Hall 4:59
  2. Yakupov 4:22
  3. Smyth 3:52
  4. Hartikainen 0:31

PENALTY-KILL

  1. Smyth 3:33
  2. Petrell 3:20

It kind of makes me laugh, hearing commentators and reading online about the Oilers needing a big body for the top 6F. The reality is that the top 6F needs a young Ryan Smyth, a digger, a corner man, a holler guy, a tough as nails 2-way winger with terrific but underrated skills. A complete player, where he be 5.11 or 6.06. Today, Ryan Smyth ranks 2nd in GP by an Oiler (855, he’d have passed Kevin Lowe if he hadn’t traded Smyth) and 5th in goals (284, Oilers are a storied franchise in that category, 5th is tremendous for a player of his era–only HOFers ahead).

Ryan Smyth is a treasure, a real life hockey player who can rattle and cycle and pass the puck and catch it too, but mostly he’s a man with the heart of a lion. The generation of Oiler fan that arrived from 1990 through 2006 may not appreciate how rare and precious a player he has been; in a very cruel twist, the future will point it out time and time again.

It’s a HNIC game, that always adds something to the proceedings. The Flames are well rested, will have put in a lot of work at practice and should be flying. Its early, but they need a W:

I haven’t read anything about lineup changes, will change if anything crops up.

  • Nuge-Hall-Eberle
  • Gagner-Yakupov-Hemsky
  • Horcoff-Smyth-Paajarvi
  • Belanger-Hordichuk-Petrell
  • Smid-Petry
  • Schultz-Schultz
  • Fistric-Whitney
  • Dubnyk

EDIT TO ADD: Hordichuk draws in over Hartikainen. 11:48am.

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  1. Lucinius says:

    Ugly, ugly turn over.

  2. Ice Sage says:

    Flames playing desperate. LT called it.
    And when will Taylor Hall do something that doesn’t fizzle…

  3. khildahl says:

    Brutal call. Par for the course.

  4. Gret99zky says:

    What is Montreal going to want for PK Subban?

  5. crude says:

    Professor Q,

    heck. i dunno.

  6. jp says:

    icecastles,

    There were some comments earlier about hard rock not getting much play at the Saddledome. Just making some reference to that.

  7. khildahl says:

    2 minutes for touching a guy.

  8. striatic says:

    Eberle and Nuge on the PK. interesting.

  9. khildahl says:

    Woot.

  10. striatic says:

    and it worked. even more interesting.

  11. Jesse says:

    These CBC announcers are the absolute worst.

  12. BlacqueJacque says:

    Killing penalties the Jordan Eberway.

  13. Bar_Qu says:

    Good call on having 14 kill a penalty.

  14. Jesse says:

    Even the calls against Calgary are really bad. They’re just all bad.

  15. Bar_Qu says:

    It’s his FOURTH game

  16. striatic says:

    Jesse,

    it is only Hrudey’s 2nd game doing colour, so i guess we need to cut him some slack?

  17. BlacqueJacque says:

    Jesse:
    Even the calls against Calgary are really bad. They’re just all bad.

    I miss the days when refs would legitimately be afraid for their well-being after badly called games.

    There’s no accountability any more.

  18. Lucinius says:

    Petry looks a bit slower tonight to me, for some reason.

  19. Jesse says:

    Taylor Hall is clueless tonight.

  20. Ice Sage says:

    Oilers so poetic until the finish… reminds me of my college years

  21. BlacqueJacque says:

    Hah, Yak just throwing his body around.

  22. jake70 says:

    brutal

  23. Bar_Qu says:

    It’s Mark Lee who’s doing the brutal job.

    Cal obviously watched the tape on Edm passes.

  24. striatic says:

    i miss Hartikainen.

  25. Lucinius says:

    Smid is having a whale of a game. Not overly impressed with Hall tonight.

  26. striatic says:

    Belanger checked by Backlund?

    Checked by the ref more like.

  27. khildahl says:

    Effing stripes.

  28. Gret99zky says:

    getting badly outshot tonight.

  29. khildahl says:

    Bar_Qu:
    It’s Mark Lee who’s doing the brutal job.

    Does he ever do any other kind?

  30. Numenius says:

    Oilers need to hit more.

  31. Ice Sage says:

    Gret99zky:
    getting badly outshot tonight.

    Yeah, heard that. Not really out-chanced, Oil just whiffing (credit to flambes intensity)

  32. tcho says:

    Just tuning in for the third, but it seems like Cowtown deserves the lead. That Hemsky move wide kinda sums up what I’ve seen from the Oil tonight – skill followed by close but not quite enough.

  33. icecastles says:

    jp: There were some comments earlier about hard rock not getting much play at the Saddledome. Just making some reference to that.

    Ah, gotcha. I missed that.

    It almost feels like the hot shot kids are trying too much to be team players. Passes getting picked off left and right. Need to get selfish and start crashing and shooting. Outshot more than 2-1 right now (15-32)

  34. icecastles says:

    Fuck you, Glencross you traitor.

  35. jb says:

    Cactus: Poor team defence/positioning is still allowing opposing players clean looks off rebounds/crossing passes.

    Pretty much my thoughts on this game as well.. Overall team defense has a long ways to go. The stupid penalties need to stop, and we need some real refs.

  36. Bar_Qu says:

    icecastles:
    Fuck you, Glencross you traitor.

    Actually seeing Glencross always reminds me how arrogant Lowe is and how long it’s been costing the Oilers.

    But I understand the sentiment. Carry on.

  37. Gret99zky says:

    Dubey isn’t the problem tonight. Bad D zone coverage and not enough puck possession in the O zone even strength.

    Game 4.

    I’m going to smash a beer bottle, then I’m going to smash another.

  38. Ice Sage says:

    Will this team ever carry the lead into the final 10 min?

  39. pboy says:

    Get used to this folks. Young teams in all sports are inconsistent like this right up until they figure it out. Hopefully, our kids figure it out quick.

    I agree that Whitney should probably watch the next game in a suit.

  40. Lucinius says:

    Hall needs a smack upside the head, methinks.

  41. Gret99zky says:

    I’m thinking Ebs, RNH, and Yak will all be better than Hall in the years to come.

  42. hunter1909 says:

    Yeah. Why can’t they just win every game?

    Is there a new rule this season, banning OIlers bottom 6 players plus all non-rookie defencemen from scoring?

  43. Ice Sage says:

    pboy:
    Get used to this folks. Young teams in all sports are inconsistent like this right up until they figure it out. Hopefully, our kids figure it out quick.

    I agree that Whitney should probably watch the next game in a suit.

    Yeah, but this is where Horcoff, Smyth and Hemsky, veterans of many BoA’s, should provide leadership, passion, well f’in anything – there’s nothing there tonight and no excuse

  44. khildahl says:

    Hall’s been a force along the boards tonight getting to pucks, but has been terrible away from them.

  45. crude says:

    that pass is slowly becoming hall’s signature move. no-look backhand from the half-wall to the other team.

  46. tcho says:

    Hall seems to be having a tough night, to my eye.

  47. jake70 says:

    Early on here, teams are really plugging up the middle of the ice/high slot area vs. the Oil.

  48. striatic says:

    really missing Hartikainen now.

    team needs to be able to dump and chase if need be, and right now they just can’t.

    Ryan Jones would also be useful.

    Smyth can dig it out, but he isn’t fast enough to get there in time to do it.

  49. Gret99zky says:

    fuck off Calgary.

    nothing stings worse than losing to the Flames.

  50. Lewko says:

    I don’t know about all the Whitney bashing. 2nd line doesn’t have a lot, also not playing a lot, and Hall just off today. Eberle and Schultz the younger best players by a mile. Not enough other players matching Flames effort today. sucks…

  51. Lucinius says:

    Hemsky has looked good in the third. So has Eberle and, more often than not, RNH. But Hall just seems to be missing something lately.

    Oilers refuse to shoot once again. Need to learn they need to put the puck on the net.

  52. icecastles says:

    Yak chasing the puck too much. Needs to develop more patience and positioning on the play.

  53. icecastles says:

    icecastles:
    Yak chasing the puck too much. Needs to develop more patience and positioning on the play rather than trying to force something.

  54. jp says:

    Put your arms down boys.

  55. khildahl says:

    The better team loses tonight, but again with no quit from these kids.

  56. icecastles says:

    Holy shit. It’s like they’re trying to one-up themselves each game on how last-minute they can get. Too bad this one will be for naught… or will it?

  57. Lucinius says:

    Well…. we lost. Needed to win, but shit happens.

  58. icecastles says:

    icecastles:
    Holy shit. It’s like they’re trying to one-up themselves each game on how last-minute they can get. Too bad this one will be for naught… or will it?

    Edit: it will.

  59. Oilanderp says:

    That’s alright. Gave them something to think about anyway.

  60. striatic says:

    they got 3. i have a strict policy of being happy when they get 3.

  61. Bar_Qu says:

    “Young Turks” is now officially worse than “young guns”.

  62. icecastles says:

    Okay one more utterance of “the young turks” and I’m going to start thinking Jack Micheals’ “ooooooooovertiiiiiiiime” call sounds pleasant.

  63. jp says:

    Is Horc injured? Haven’t seen him in a while but lots of Belanger.

    My main concern with that is it might mean we see CVV soon…

  64. BlacqueJacque says:

    Well, that was disappointing.

    Probably necessary for the kids to learn, and for the team to stay out of the penalty box (did anyone see Hordichuk out there after?) But man, I really thought this year we can start putting Calgary down with something resembling consistency.

  65. Woodguy says:

    Well the better team won.

    I hope those young men learn about effort a bit.

    Too much FPS and not enough shooting and going to the net.

    Didnt win many races to the puck.

    Hemsky won more puck battles than the rest of the roster combined.

    Nice 5v4 play though. Shultz the Younger is going to be a treat to watch for years.

    Man, that’s the Bouwmeester that I’ve always liked.

    Did everything well and owned the ice 5v5.

    Id go hard after him at the deadline when Feaster will be far enough out the of playoffs to start dismantling the team.

    Hed push Smid and Shultz down a rung and the Oiler D would look like:

    Bouw-Petry
    Smid-Shultz
    Shultz-Fistric

    Thats pretty good.

  66. Ice Sage says:

    Lewko:
    I don’t know about all the Whitney bashing. 2nd line doesn’t have a lot, also not playing a lot, and Hall just off today. Eberle and Schultz the younger best players by a mile. Not enough other players matching Flames effort today. sucks…

    I’d add Smid, Petrell and Gagner to the list of ‘good Oilers’
    Horcoff, Petry, Paajarvi – not good

    Ah well, another lesson in ‘veteran effort’ – if this team wants to go there, they have the potential.
    Am really concerned that Oil couldn’t find another gear in the 3rd against a supposedly old, dysfunctional team… the rollercoaster swoons

  67. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s too bad-the sum of the parts was lesser than the whole.

  68. Captain Happy says:

    Woodguy:
    Well the better team won.

    I hope those young men learn about effort a bit.

    Too much FPS and not enough shooting and going to the net.

    Didnt win many races to the puck.

    Hemsky won more puck battles than the rest of the roster combined.

    Nice 5v4 play though.Shultz the Younger is going to be a treat to watch for years.

    Man, that’s the Bouwmeester that I’ve always liked.

    Did everything well and owned the ice 5v5.

    Id go hard after him at the deadline when Feaster will be far enough out the of playoffs to start dismantling the team.

    Hed push Smid and Shultz down a rung and the Oiler D would look like:

    Bouw-Petry
    Smid-Shultz
    Shultz-Fistric

    Thats pretty good.

    The Oilers have already painted themselves into a cap corner.

    They can’t afford to pay Jaybo if they’re going to pay Hopkins.,Schultz and Yakupov.

  69. Bar_Qu says:

    EVs is killing this team. Need to start generating something 5v5.

  70. Ice Sage says:

    Oilers lose – welcome back Captain Happy / DSF.
    JBo had a fine audition tonight – Oiler brass ‘saw him good’, When he’s in Oiler silks, finally going into the second season, onsider it payback for GlenX
    Kinda like JSchultz / Pronger / Anaheim, don’t believe the naysayers!!!!

  71. gogliano says:

    Eh, the team sucked and has been giving up high percentage chances but I do think DD has been having troubles. Seems tentative and isn’t smothering the puck well. I think the other team has touched posts five times in the last two games and he’s still well below .900. 1 or 2 of those posts cash in last game and I think the narrative post-Flames is a little less DD friendly. Only had one weak goal tonight but he just doesn’t seeming to be play well yet.

  72. Lowetide says:

    When Ralph is sitting in his office wondering why he’s out of the playoffs, he should think about tonight. Hordichuk dressed and played about as much as it takes me too pee, and Ryan Whitney can’t make a turn in an IGA parking lot in under 10 seconds. The kid line needs to be broken up and for crying out loud don’t let an old team outwork you.

    That’s a pretty poor showing, ladies and gents.

  73. iwin76 says:

    Seriously, is anyone surprised? This is how it goes in Calgary.

    Fitting lead in, LT. Smyth was awful tonight, pretty worried about him going forward. Under 12 min for 10, 94, 91.

  74. gogliano says:

    Well the stainless steel lining is Schultz is making an early bid for the Calder. Added an assist to that late goal to give him a 3 point night.

  75. Ribs says:

    Woodguy: Hemsky won more puck battles than the rest of the roster combined.

    Damn. I wish that 3rd period would have shut Matheson up on twitter. Expecting scathing column soon. Once that guys mind is made up sometimes….

    This is one of those games that you throw away. The refs killed this game. You can’t call everything. Learn to have some tolerance. Even strength play is the core of the game. Try to get there.

    I wish the kid line was left out longer. It’s safer to get them off the ice , but damn. So many times I wish they were out there for thirty more seconds.

    J. Schultz. I love this guy. So slick.

  76. Lowetide says:

    Put Hall on the Gagner-Hemsky line, move Yak to the Nuge-Eberle line and leave Paajarvi on the Horcoff-smyth line. Promise yourself Hordichuk doesn’t dress again and “rest” Whitney three times a week.

    Man. These points don’t grow on trees.

  77. Ribs says:

    First NHL season for the coach. Just sayin’.

  78. Hayek says:

    Any chance Kruger puts in a request for Omark? He is tearing it up in the Swiss League. Now that we can put Hordichuk on waivers, there is a roseter spot open for someone who can actually play.

  79. Ribs says:

    Hayek:
    Any chance Kruger puts in a request for Omark?He is tearing it up in the Swiss League.Now that we can put Hordichuk on waivers, there is a roseter spot open for someone who can actually play.

    I’d say about zero chance.

  80. ashley says:

    I attended this one, just back.

    A couple of notes:

    - Eberle is crazy good. Hemsky is incredible. Gagner too. Lots of fun to watch

    - Hall is not as good as whatever fancy stats are telling us. There is a bug in the stats. I think he has the puck on his stick a lot, and somehow that shows up on the stats, but he has very poor hands relatively speaking (and I mean relative to what a #1 pick should have). Worse, he makes very poor decisions when the Oilers are threatening with numbers. The combination results in the play dying on his stick over and over again. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be for his linemates.

    He won’t be able to fix his hands, but he needs to be smarter out there. I would put him as maybe the 6th or 7th best player on the team. I have waltzed into the lion’s den, as I know many on this blog think of him as the very best on this team. It hurts me too, but my eyes are not lying to me. It’s not just saw him bad. He’s in his 3rd year now.

    -Hall yaps too much. He needs to keep his head in the game and forget the refs, granted hard to do in the last two games. Probably just a maturity thing.

    - Jay Bouw is solid. I know I’ve peddled it here before, but I think the Oil should target him in free agency. I know that his sister and his parents would love for him to play at home, and I know that he has some interest too. He is a number 1D. I’m not sure why he doesn’t register on the stats. He reminds of Pronger. The Flames throw him out there, and the whole bench just relaxes knowing that they are safe for the next shift. Fast, smart, strong, great positioning. He would be a tremendous asset on our team, if we could afford him.

    - I don’t understand playing the 4th line so much in the 3rd period.

    - J Schultz. What a find. The team has so much confidence in him. He plays great defence too. A high end scoring defenceman with great defensive skills. A complete player. Top shelf.

    - Speaking of defence, Yak has a good nose for defensive responsibility. He also sees the ice well, and makes good passes. He’s really strong. He’s got centreman assets, much moreso than Hall.

    - Whitney. This is so sad. Half the battle of being a defenceman is turning back and forth along the boards trying to force a turnover when the other team is pressing in your end. He can’t do this. He gets beat easily. His “turn and skate in the other direction” is so slow that the offensive player is miles past him before he even turns around. He took a penalty tonight after getting beat. I feel bad for the guy, but he is no longer an NHL defenceman. I don’t think he has been since the Penguins, and I think the praise and hope he gets from Oilers fans relate to a lucky first 30 games of the season in 2010 or 11 when he ended up with a bunch of second assists, some of them while he was sitting on the bench after his shift when the goal was scored. He’s never been good as an Oiler.

    I question the coaching’s judgment in putting him out there at all. How can Whitney on one foot be better than just about anyone on the depth chart. It’s like York’s broken wrist all over again.

    - The Flames looked great tonight. Full credit for the win.

    - Petry and Smid are top notch. I can’t believe we ever didn’t like Smid. So big, fast, strong. Superb positioning.

    - It might have been a bad game for him, but N Schultz did not look like he was in the same league as Gilbert. I think we lost that trade quite decisively, but as others have pointed out, it might be a cap management move. He’s still ok, and capable, but 4-7 on any depth chart. Gilbert is more 2-3 in my eyes.

  81. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy: The Oilers have already painted themselves into a cap corner.

    They can’t afford to pay Jaybo if they’re going to pay Hopkins.,Schultz and Yakupov.

    Jbo won’t see 6.8MM

    He may sign for less in a place he wants to play.

    Not sure he would want to play here, but pretty sure he doesn’t want to play in Calgary anymore.

    I think he and his wife built their off season house here.

    You never know.

  82. ashley says:

    Woodguy,

    Ah, I haven’t read the comments in the thread, but I see you guys are already covering the Jbo in copper and blue topic.

    Definitely a possibility that he would sign in Edmonton. The interest is there. Tambellini would have to be in his kitchen early and often on July 1.

  83. Ribs says:

    ashley,

    - Hall finds his way to the net. Often. I prefer Nuge and Eberle’s game as well but you can’t question Hall’s results. Drives the net and scores. That’s all there is to it.

    - J-Bo looks wonderful some nights…Absolutely horrid on others.

    - Whitney can still make a beautiful breakout pass. We saw it at least once tonight. Lots of questions around him but he can still do some things.

    - Agreed on both Schultz’s. Nick had a not so great night.

  84. icecastles says:

    Hayek: Any chance Kruger puts in a request for Omark?

    This team’s problem isn’t their play with the puck, it’s their play away from the puck. Omark is this times ten. Not a solution to any problems the Oilers have.

  85. jake70 says:

    Ashley, putting you on the spot here, if you had to choose – Hemsky or Hall, (assuming same age)?

  86. Captain Happy says:

    Woodguy: Jbo won’t see 6.8MM

    He may sign for less in a place he wants to play.

    Not sure he would want to play here, but pretty sure he doesn’t want to play in Calgary anymore.

    I think he and his wife built their off season house here.

    You never know.

    The Suter contract pretty much sets the bar for top end UFA defensemen.

    I expect Jaybo could easily get $6M again from some team.

    The Oilers won’t be in any position to offer that because they will have too much committed to their forwards and Schultz.

  87. Woodguy says:

    Oiler’s D 5v5 TOI/gm after 4 games.

    Obviously Smid’s numbers affected by his 84 minutes in penalties against LAK.

    Justin Schultz 17:41:00
    Ryan Whitney 15:02:00
    Jeff Petry 14:44:00
    Nick Schultz 14:06:00
    Ladislav Smid 12:43:00
    Corey Potter 12:43:00
    Mark Fistric 11:14:00

    Barbaro getting the 2nd most 5v5 eh?

  88. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy,

    I expect Jaybo could easily get $6M again from some team.

    Here’s an excerpt from a recent Herald article on Jbo:

    “ I like it here,” said Bouwmeester, who grew up in Edmonton. “Away from the hockey side of things, it’s close to home. It’s nice to be around your family. Me and my wife, we like it here.

    Wife and he are from EDM.

    New baby.

    Might take less to raise their family near the rest of their family and play with really talented kids.

    He’ll have made over $45MM by the time his current contract expires.

    Money will play a part in his decision, but I doubt its #1 or even #2.

    Family is very important, and he’s stated he’d like to play in the playoffs at some point in his career.

  89. Woodguy says:

    ashley:
    Woodguy,

    Ah, I haven’t read the comments in the thread, but I see you guys are already covering the Jbo in copper and blue topic.

    Definitely a possibility that he would sign in Edmonton.The interest is there.Tambellini would have to be in his kitchen early and often on July 1.

    There was more than one person saying he was the “wow” trade that went sideways that Stauffer was talking about.

    He goes UFA July 2014.

    I’d trade for him this year and test drive him first.

  90. Ribs says:

    Woodguy,

    Again, it may be due to a coach in his first season going with what he thinks he has instead of what he really has. A real training camp would have been nice.

    How the coach reacts in the next few games will tell us what we need to know.

  91. oilersfan says:

    Ashley

    I have to say, I think you are my favourite poster.

    Do you live in Calgary? Or just go down for the game?

    I had a bad feeling about this one. I have been watching the Flames games and I knew with them getting a few days off along with losing the first three they would be real serious about getting the win. Also it is obvious they are a middling team, not the terrible team some have them being. To this day I can’t believe they gave up on Glencross he is exactly what is needed on the Oilers. A skilled player with some toughness. Stempniak on the other hand is playing way over his head for now. Between the 2007 draft, letting Glencross walk, trading Brodziak for no reason, this mgmt team really can’t be trusted to put together a winner even with the elite assets that are here. As Woodguy would say we have the kings and aces but the tens and jacks leave a lot to be desired.

    I wonder if there was something about Sutter’s system that hampered JBo, and if he won’t break out offensively this year.

    There is something wrong with the Oilers’ system. The other teams have already figured it out; sit in a box in your own zone 5-5 and wait for the turnover, then, voila, you get an odd man rush.

    I would like to know how many unforced turnovers the Oilers had tonight? I bet close to 20….forcing the pass where there wasn’t one in the Flames’ zone, essentially giving them the puck over and over. I think that is the flames’ strategy, mind you.

    I don’t count scoring chances but it seems to me Gagner”s line gives up a lot more than they create, and turn the puck over more than any coach would like.

    I can’t recall Horcoff’s line creating more than 2-3 all season even strength.

    According to the Oilers’ ap they didn’t have a shot on net for an entire period, from the time Eberle scored mid way through the second until midway through the third. The Flames just sat in a box in their own zone and waited for the Oilers to hand them the puck…

  92. oilersfan says:

    I really like Hall. More than Ashley does, but it is hard to wonder if they shouldn’t have taken Seguin.

  93. raventalon40 says:

    The Oilers problem isn’t skill, or lack of try. It’s a lack of 5v5 scoring and no net presence. Sure we got screwed on the goaltender interference goal, but guys, it’s not the only goal the Flames scored. Petry could have been better in some instances.

    I think it’s time to move Hartikainen up to the 2nd line and play Yakupov on the 1st PP. That solves two problems:

    1. the Oilers have a lack of net presence (a young Smyth)
    2. not enough shots on the PP (though Eberle and Schultz threaded nice ones on the PP today)

    As well as Paajarvi played today I feel like someone has to get to the dirty areas and if that guy’s not Smyth then the best Smyth inpersonation on this team would have to be Harski.

  94. BlacqueJacque says:

    oilersfan:
    I really like Hall. More than Ashley does, but it is hard to wonder if they shouldn’t have taken Seguin.

    Seguin with his 1 point in 4 games? Seguin who’s been playing right wing (Eberle, Hemsky, Yakupov)?

  95. BONVIE says:

    Lowetide:
    Put Hall on the Gagner-Hemsky line, move Yak to the Nuge-Eberle line and leave Paajarvi on the Horcoff-smyth line. Promise yourself Hordichuk doesn’t dress again and “rest” Whitney three times a week.

    Man. These points don’t grow on trees.

    Lowetide,

    Or

    I agree with Hordichuk not being in the lineup. I like the idea of Horcoff, Smyth, and Yakapouv, puts a bit of speed in that line and I would like to see Yak cheating for offence. Horcoff has proved that he can do well with the rookies, and that line will have someone to get the puck up the ice. I would put Hartikannen,Nuge, Eberle together though. Hall,Gagner,Hemsky sounds good.

    On the blue I think you have to keep playing Whitney as the 5/6 guy but he needs to come off the powerplay because he cant seem to keep pucks in at the blue line.

  96. BONVIE says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    Lol no kidding people don’t even think sometimes, unless their just trolling. Hall will be just fine we have 44 games left this season believe me Hall will have his nights yet when he absolutely dominates. He is struggling so bad this year so far he only has a point a game and +3.

  97. Oilertown says:

    BlacqueJacque: Seguin with his 1 point in 4 games?Seguin who’s been playing right wing (Eberle, Hemsky, Yakupov)?

    Totally agreed Seguin is not a center.

  98. hunter1909 says:

    After last night’s game I’m kind of happy that I am the first Oiler fan to suggest Taylor Hall is no more than another Daigle, a bust. Anyone can see him struggling to gain the zone, to simply keep from falling over half the time(I am prepared to admit he’s a lot better this year). And don’t let this current PPG pace fool anyone either.

    What about RNH? He too looks weak on/off the puck, confused re how to use his linemates, and Calgary won last night!! We can give him another year to see whether or not he’s the real deal, but so far this year he’s starting to resemble Hall.

    Eberle might be okay, okay he’s good. But any fool knows his shooting percentages are totally unsustainable. Therefore, there’s zero chance he’s apt to improve on his last season’s points total, adjusted or not. We can probably expect a solid 50 point winger for the balance of his contract.

    Nail Yakupov and his ridiculous goal celebrations have screwed this team for the next ten years, and you don’t need Don Cherry to realise the rest of the league is really going to be pissed at the Oilers from now on, instead of taking it easy on them. Where was Nail last night? Not on the scoresheet! When a scorer isn’t scoring, he’s pretty well useless. They could have picked Montreal’s Galinchuck, or Morgan Reilly to shore up the defence, but no, Tambellini was blinded by this hotdog, and, like a 16 year old high school girl he couldn’t help himself and as a result the Oilers are going to suffer for a very long time.

    Justin Schultz has done well. Very well indeed – if all OIlers need is another forward! How about learning some D, Dusty? Because if you don’t, by this time next season the entire league will have figured out that wrist shot, and what will you be left with? Exactly.

    Sam Gagner polarises the fan base, and I always supported him until now. But, enough is enough, and it’s time to trade him to another NHL team for a 6’3″ centre who can score 70+ points, while playing Selke(or near to that level) defence, Make it happen, Tambellini.

    Jeff Petry needs to call up his dad and get himself a tryout with a baseball team. I don’t think he enjoys hockey anywhere near as much as he thinks he does.

    Despite playing a whale of a game last night, Magnus Pajaarvi has to go. As soon as possible. Sure he’s a natural talent defensively, and yes, last night he was playing with a vigour unseen since his rookie season. But his stock is falling quickly around the league, so it’s imperative they trade him now, in case he gets even worse.

    Mark Fistric was pretty good against the Kings, and no way will I take that back. Where was he last night? Looks like another trade fuckup for Tambellini.

    Ralph Kreuger – Why couldn’t they find a real head coach? What has this guy ever coached, really? Switzerland?? WTF! can’t they even find a CANADIAN to coach a CANADIAN team?

    I can’t write anymore. This is just too depressing.

  99. Matt.N says:

    hunter1909:
    After last night’s game I’m kind of happy that I am the first Oiler fan to suggest Taylor Hall is no more than another Daigle, a bust. Anyone can see him struggling to gain the zone, to simply keep from falling over half the time(I am prepared to admit he’s a lot better this year). And don’t let this current PPG pace fool anyone either.

    What about RNH? He too looks weak on/off the puck, confused re how to use his linemates, and Calgary won last night!! We can give him another year to see whether or not he’s the real deal, but so far this year he’s starting to resemble Hall.

    Eberle might be okay, okay he’s good. But any fool knows his shooting percentages are totally unsustainable. Therefore, there’s zero chance he’s apt to improve on his last season’s points total, adjusted or not. We can probably expect a solid 50 point winger for the balance of his contract.

    Nail Yakupovand his ridiculous goal celebrations have screwed this team for the next ten years, and you don’t need Don Cherry to realise the rest of the league is really going to be pissed at the Oilers from now on, instead of taking it easy on them. Where was Nail last night? Not on the scoresheet! When a scorer isn’t scoring, he’s pretty well useless.They could have picked Montreal’s Galinchuck, or Morgan Reilly to shore up the defence, but no, Tambellini was blinded by this hotdog, and, like a 16 year old high school girl he couldn’t help himself and as a result the Oilers are going to suffer for a very long time.

    Justin Schultz has done well. Very well indeed – if all OIlers need is another forward! How about learning some D, Dusty? Because if you don’t, by this time next season the entire league will have figured out that wrist shot, and what will you be left with? Exactly.

    Sam Gagner polarises the fan base, and I always supported him until now. But, enough is enough, and it’s time to trade him to another NHL team for a 6’3″ centre who can score 70+ points, while playingSelke(or near to that level) defence,Make it happen, Tambellini.

    Jeff Petry needs to call up his dad and get himself a tryout with a baseball team. I don’t think he enjoys hockey anywhere near as much as he thinks he does.

    Despite playing a whale of a game last night, Magnus Pajaarvi has to go. As soon as possible. Sure he’s a natural talent defensively, and yes, last night he was playing with a vigour unseen since his rookie season. But his stock is falling quickly around the league, so it’s imperative they trade him now, in case he gets even worse.

    Mark Fistric was pretty good against the Kings, and no way will I take that back. Where was he last night? Looks like another trade fuckup for Tambellini.

    Ralph Kreuger – Why couldn’t they find a real head coach? What has this guy ever coached, really? Switzerland?? WTF! can’t they even find a CANADIAN to coach a CANADIAN team?

    I can’t write anymore. This is just too depressing.

    You must be great fun at parties.

  100. BrazilianOil says:

    IMO Steve Ott was the perfect piece to take last summer.

  101. sliderule says:

    Last year we were 18th in penalty minutes per game.This season we are sitting at 20th in penalties.

    I know we have had a couple of bad reffed games but our stupid penalties will put us near first pick again.

    Not knowing the rules some old some new and undisciplined penalties to me the fault falls on coaching staff.When they hired Ralph I wondered if it was so they could keep all the good old boys around.
    What do you think?

  102. bookjLe says:

    hunter1909:

    I can’t write anymore.

    You should have started with that. Your rant made no sense and was overly laden with irrational negativity. I could refute nearly all of your points (maybe someone else has time), but I will just note that Ralph Krueger is Canadian – born and raised in Manitoba.

  103. bookjLe says:

    sliderule:
    Last year we were 18th in penalty minutes per game.This season we are sitting at 20th in penalties.

    I know we have had a couple of bad reffedgames but our stupid penalties will put us near first pick again.

    Not knowing the rules some old some new and undisciplinedpenalties to me the fault falls on coaching staff.When they hired Ralph I wondered if it was so they could keep all the good old boys around.
    What do you think?

    Let me rephrase

    “I know that TWO of our FOUR games were over the top penalty filled affairs, but I think I will ignore that fact and consider it a trajectory. Given that – the Oilers are doomed”

  104. bookjLe says:

    Hall will be fine. He just needs to adjust from the AHL game where he could force the play and the NHL game which requires more finesse. We saw the same thing for his first 10 games in the league.

  105. sliderule says:

    Hall will be fine when he slows the game down.

    When he gets excited he tries to force the play and just skates into defensive coverage.

    Don’t worry the coaches will see this and correct it.

  106. BlacqueJacque says:

    bookjLe:
    Hall will be fine.He just needs to adjust from the AHL game where he could force the play and the NHL game which requires more finesse.We saw the same thing for his first 10 games in the league.

    Yeah, all one has to do is think all the way back – way, way back – to early in the season where Hall was creating chances versus the defending champs. God, when was that? Feels like forever ago.

    The thing with Hall is that he doesn’t have Stamkos’ slapepr or Crosby’s hands. He can wheel and deal and create chaos for opposing team, but his ability to finish a play just isn’t at superstar levels.

    It should be a really informative video session at Oilers practice today, though.

  107. ashley says:

    jake70,

    I like Hall better than Hemsky, same age. And I like Hemsky a lot. Hall is a valuable piece, all criticism of his play considered. I see his deficiencies as correctable with experience, although I am getting impatient.

    Coming into the zone 4 on 2.5 with speed is a good scoring opportunity. Twice last night Hall takes one of his telegraphed, off-balance wristers from the half boards in that situation which hits the defenceman’s shin pads. I believe he gets credit on the corsi stat for such a play, but he should be getting demerit points. A team only gets a handful of good scoring opportunities in a game. We cannot waste them like that. The Dmen have learned his game too. They give him a bit of daylight out there and when he makes it obvious he is going to shoot, they close quickly and block the shot…turnover. It’s as bad a play as the wraparound.

    I think that can be fixed. There is a lot to like otherwise, too. A much more valuable player than Hemsky, same age. So I would agree with posters saying he might be fine. But how long do we have to wait?

    I still like the pick over Seguin. Seguin has better hands, but is an odd guy. The Oil made it loud and clear they went with character and desire to win. Hall has these over Seguin hands down, and I thing those character attributes have value and pay dividends in ways that are hard to measure with stats.

    Woodguy,

    Interesting about Jbo being the subject of the wow trade. That would be a great trade. I don’t think it would take much to pry him from Calgary.

    BTW, I think Hunter was being facetious with his long post, quite possibly mocking my post that preceded it. Some good humour there, as I’ve come to expect from Hunter. :)

  108. BlacqueJacque says:

    Is anyone else having a hard time figuring out whether Hunter1909 is just parodying every easily-panicked fanboy’s comments, or if he’s actually an idiot?

  109. BlacqueJacque says:

    ashley,
    Given that the Flames were playing stifling defence in the third, and the Oilers were still trying to be super fancy with a fast, nifty cycle (and it wasn’t going anywhere), I think Hall did the right thing. The problem is there’s nobody on the Oil other than Smyth and Harski who’s going to get in front of the net and plant himself there.

    It really was pucks-on-net.

  110. striatic says:

    Hall needs to be button hooking at the blue line rather than trying to go through 2 D-Men and into the net.

    either that or looking to drop pass. or something.

  111. justDOit says:

    hunter1909,

    posted at 4:16 am, eh?

  112. justDOit says:

    Oilertown: Totally agreed Seguin is not a center.

    Seguin is not a center because the Bruins don’t need one. He played center in junior, where he made his wingers better players and drove the bus. Watching him this year, he’s driving the play, gaining the zone and beating defenders. He also had a ridiculous shot that has, so far, only found iron. He’ll be putting up some points this year, don’t worry.

  113. uni says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    This is especially difficult when Hartikainen gets scratched for under 2 minutes of Hordichuk.

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