OILERS AT FLAMES, G4 (12-13) 26.1.13
Oilers-Flames games that were Edmonton-Calgary contests began in the fall of 1980, and it was–as it is now–a tepid event. Wayne Gretzky and Blair MacDonald, impact scorers in the revamped NHL, played with various LW’s that fall including Brett Callighen, Don Ashby, Glenn Anderson and Dave Semenko. On the night of October 22, 1980, the Flames caught a break (or so it seemed) because it was Semenko on the portside. The Edmonton Northlands crowd enjoyed a 5-3 victory, with Semenko scoring 2 goals on the night.
- Semenko: “I knew I’d get a lot of chances playing with him. What we’ve worked on in practice is for me to get into the right position to shoot the puck.”
Semenko would finish the season with 11 goals, Ashby 2, Callighen 25 and Anderson 30. Playing with Gretzky was a pretty good business.
After the opening game, 99 put things in context for history to see:
- Gretzky on an Oiler-Flames rivalry: “It will develop in the years to come. The players didn’t feel it, but the fans might build it up.”
For many years the Oilers and Flames was THE rivalry in the NHL, certainly through the 80s and I’d say a little into the 1990s. After that, one team or another has been poor and these last many seasons the Oilers have been in full rebuild mode. The Flames are hanging on and in fact ADDing veterans as they go, so a true rivalry is perhaps years away. Having said that, Oiler fans at the very least can look forward to a better showing against our friends to the south. And by friends, I mean Godless pukes.
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This PK Subban situation seems to be coming to some kind of a crescendo and honestly it makes so little sense the mind boggles:
I would be unwilling to make a deal using any of the #1 overalls, Jordan Eberle, Justin Schultz; I don’t think the Oilers have enough booty to get off the ground without those items. speeds has mentioned offer sheet but the Oilers dealt their 3rd rd pick for Mark Fistric–which impacts the offer sheet possibilities–so that appears to be a distant bell. Subban would be a ‘perfect fit’ for this Oiler team, giving them a legit top pairing guy who can play huge minutes and run with the horses up front. I don’t believe there’s a deal there for the Oilers.
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I’ve been thinking about Ryan Smyth this week, #94 is showing some signs of wear–kinda funny to write that because of course he’s slowing down. Ryan Smyth has been Cool Hand Luke since he was a kid, never giving in and never letting up. Years ago I was at Rexall, sitting down low, in one of the corners. Smyth was battling with an opposition defender, and it was very intense. One minute the defender would get the edge, but Smyth would slam the door and vice versa. Twice during the exchange Smyth had some clearance but the ref was blocking the escape route. Finally, Smyth, still in the life and death struggle, looked at the ref and said “get out of the way!” and we all collapsed in laughter. Ryan Smyth has an idea of how to play the game, and it involves singular dedication to the task and complete abandon.
And now the man who bleeds copper and blue can see his 37th birthday and is slowing. Here’s a sample of some TOI seasons by Smyth (chosen randomly):
- 97-98: 18:03 total, 12:41evens, 0:06sh, 5:15pp
- 00-01: 19:58 total, 13:30evens, 0:55sh, 5:31pp
- 05-06: 20:12 total, 12:49evens, 2:03sh, 5:19pp
- 11-12: 19:04 total, 14:26 evens, 2:09sh, 2:28pp
- 12-13: 15:53 total, 8:27 evens, 3:33sh, 3:52pp
This season is just starting and the Oilers have played at least one game that skewed TOI but it is interesting to see the progression (and then regression) of playing time. Smyth was not a 5 minute option last year on the PP (Oilers had no one much past 3 minutes btw) and ranks 8th among forwards so far this season on the man advantage. However, in terms of PK, we see our man Smyth increasing his time there, in fact this season he is third in F TOI at the discipline.
Smyth doesn’t have a point yet this season, no big deal at evens (he’s played about 26 minutes). He and Horcoff are going to get a lot of work against the tough western conference forwards and its going to be a long long season no matter the shortened GP.
Here’s how he ranks among LW’s by discipline:
EVENS
- Hall 15:50
- Yakupov 10:50
- Smyth 8:27
- Hartikainen 7:02
- Petrell 5:48
POWERPLAY
- Hall 4:59
- Yakupov 4:22
- Smyth 3:52
- Hartikainen 0:31
PENALTY-KILL
- Smyth 3:33
- Petrell 3:20
It kind of makes me laugh, hearing commentators and reading online about the Oilers needing a big body for the top 6F. The reality is that the top 6F needs a young Ryan Smyth, a digger, a corner man, a holler guy, a tough as nails 2-way winger with terrific but underrated skills. A complete player, where he be 5.11 or 6.06. Today, Ryan Smyth ranks 2nd in GP by an Oiler (855, he’d have passed Kevin Lowe if he hadn’t traded Smyth) and 5th in goals (284, Oilers are a storied franchise in that category, 5th is tremendous for a player of his era–only HOFers ahead).
Ryan Smyth is a treasure, a real life hockey player who can rattle and cycle and pass the puck and catch it too, but mostly he’s a man with the heart of a lion. The generation of Oiler fan that arrived from 1990 through 2006 may not appreciate how rare and precious a player he has been; in a very cruel twist, the future will point it out time and time again.
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It’s a HNIC game, that always adds something to the proceedings. The Flames are well rested, will have put in a lot of work at practice and should be flying. Its early, but they need a W:
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I haven’t read anything about lineup changes, will change if anything crops up.
- Nuge-Hall-Eberle
- Gagner-Yakupov-Hemsky
- Horcoff-Smyth-Paajarvi
- Belanger-Hordichuk-Petrell
- Smid-Petry
- Schultz-Schultz
- Fistric-Whitney
- Dubnyk
EDIT TO ADD: Hordichuk draws in over Hartikainen. 11:48am.

Oh. Apparently we have swagger.
khildahl,
“Every body grows a foot” – I grew two…
aping football might be the problem, with counter-programming a better strategy.
oh, hey look, an Oilers game.
Huh. 2 minutes without a penalty.
PRV looked good there.
If the concern is a goaltender who might be competent in case of a Dubnyk injury now, I’m not convinced Bishop is any better than Danis. Bishop has been a great AHL goalie for about 60 games, which really isn’t much. Danis at least has more of a track record.
Glencross blatantly offside.
How is that not interference with these refs?
where is our conference and then Goalie interference?
As I understand it, the goal will be called back in five minutes or so.
My chicken bones, seriously. Next time I’m using a cat.
Looks like Dubnyk has one good game followed by a poor one. The solution? Have him sit those odd games.
Oiler penalty, naturally.
Interference or not, that was clearly kicked in.
Nah, its against Edmonton, so it’ll count.
so that’s how it’s going to be, is it?
Knew it.
God bless Ryan Smyth and Shawn Horcoff.
Horse dung
Here we go refs
Absolutely ridiculous
those two need to be literally sitting on Kipprusoff for the remainder of the game,
Anybody want to go to Africa and do some zebra hunting? Was thinking chainsaws…
to make up for their pathetic back check?
Sounds like a really good game from everyone’s tone here…
That goal should be called back any minute now.
I think Ebs is a little frustrated. When have we seen him choke ever on a 2 on 1, then the decidedly non lady byng holding call.
Why would you go to Africa?
The Oilers look like they’re not used to playing on half decent ice.
MPS is looking pretty good on the forecheck.
I think the Oilers are a little sleepy so far. Haven’t really seen much from the guys we’d expect to do things. Hopefully it changes in the second period. I don’t think they win the game with this kind of effort.
Hordichuk with a penalty, that should help.
A Flame player brazenly skates through Dubnyk’s crease – I wonder what Billy Smith would have done? It’s obvious Dubny’s really weak mentally.
Pajaarvi’s best game since that exhibition back in olden times. He’s flying.
Nice touch – how CBC doesn’t even bother showing a penalty clock, since it’s accepted Oilers are always on a PK.
Dubnyk…oh brother.
Checking the replay, isn’t the Flames skate in the crease? Not that it’s important or anything.
MPS is a natural fit on that third line.
Its just a pity his two line mates are near their Old Yeller stage.
It’s actually been not so bad. Oilers carrying the play early. Calgary scored on a reviewed goal that could have been disallowed due to goalie interference or kicking the puck in, and Eberle got a light interference penalty. Both were borderline calls, but we’re basically still complaining about the LA game. Now a Hordichuk penalty.
jp,
Zebra hunting? Blood diamonds?
That wasn’t a particularly dumb penalty, but it’s not like Hordichuk brings anything to the table to counter-balance it, either.
I thought it wasn’t considered a hand pass from inside the defensive zone?
How come you never explicitly update us on how drunk you are anymore?
Ach these penalties.
I’m confident we can come back, it’d just be nice to not have to come back.
We led the NHL in stupid penalties last year and we are carrying on
Stupid penalties are on the coaching..
Ugh.
I hope Ralph learns the lessons of dressing the Hordichuks. It might cost him his job.
Hordichuks toughness paying off big time here tonight.
Nuge is so amazing a alreadyt being in good defensive position when the Flames regain the puck.
That’s what you get for inserting a player like Hordichuck.
An idiotic penalty 200ft from his net and a goal against.
Oilers carried the play until the CAL goal and haven’t got it back.
Looks like lots of FPS (fancy play syndrome). Expected from talented kids, but they needs some shots.
Is Whitney playing the right side and Fistric the left? That’s a change. (they both shoot left)
Game from from over, but they gotta get moving.
Nice pass there by N Schultz.
OIlers winning the play, but losing due to penalties. Makes you want to shake a baby.
Do the Flames not have any hired knuckles that Hordichuk can ritually fight, and then give way for proper hockey players?
Derisive cheer for DD stopping an easy one…not completely unjustified.
Dubnyk has the body movement of a fat old grandmother as she takes her shopping off of a bus.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOAL.
I don’t think this game is out of reach, but its close. The Oilers are not playing to their strengths and badly need a break. The thing about youth is that they just need that one break and then the catch fire.
The first period folks, was a dud. Shame on the Oilers they should be up 2-0, not down two zip.
Shame on the refs on that first goal.
Zone entries are a problem so far. Once the kids have control in the right end, they’re magic.
rich,
I don’t think the giraffe to much to blame for an interference goal and a PP screen goal.
Effin’ Glencross.
I love you Schultz
Jr is just magic!
BOOM!
That’s a little better.
Well, that would not have happened last year and that’s for sure. 2-1.
Schultz with the instant punishment! Hohoho what a wobbly knuckler that was.
#19 fuckin’ rulz!
they finally called the goalie interference and we got the goal back!
“Steve Smith” was right all along!
Horcoff contributing to the PP too. Credit where credit is due.
Useless Russian with the screen.
I love Schultz so much. It’s lame and pathetic but I’m so glad he actually chose Edmonton.
That is good to see. We knew J Schultz could beat college and AHL goalers with his long range wrister but beating Kipper means he can do it in the NHL.
The PP wasn’t the problem last year LT. I’m just hoping that the early ES returns from this year hold up over the season. Good things coming if that happens.
I don’t think that’s sad or pathetic. It was a huge step for the team, to attract a quality free agent. In Schultz’s case, it’s extra special because he’s still RFA-age and snuck through the system.
OKC wins 4-3 tonight. Roy with 33 stops, Arcobello 1G 1A, Cheecohoo 2A
@ Rebilled – don’t disagree on the first, do on the second – you have to take care of the five hole there.
The ups and downs of a young team.
Hahahahahahahhah!
Cherry clearly doesn’t watch the Oilers and Flames play.
Alberta fans don’t boo their teams when they’re shitty? Wow. All the head blows I’ve taken have really screwed my memory then, after all.
No kidding.
Toby on the power play. The End.
it is a question of percentages, but so far so good.
even if you chop his AHL shooting percentage in half, he still scores at a near elite level for a defenseman.
Or, you know, the first period last Tuesday.
This powerplay should get the kids more breathing room as the season wears on. The Detroit model of player protection.
The thing about J. Schultz is he knows how to get to the middle of the ice and he knows how to get the puck on net in tight spots. Ideal PP-QB.
crazy angle on that first goal. Dubnyk clearly was punched in the face. interference. ARG.
Holy shit. Healy’s talking up an Oiler?
Holy shit who put Healy on meds?
Was he just complimenting an Oiler?
BlacqueJacque,
Great minds.
khildahl,
Think alike!
And it’s great to see that some things are consistent: Weekes is still an idiot.
Edit: Seems like LT’s latest tweet suggests the same. That, or he bizarrely hates the new Healy.
I’m not watching the panel but I haven’t minded Weekes contributions from what I’ve seen.
Random fact: I think “Goggles” is one of the best nicknames in hockey. Hockey players get the worst nicknames (other than the greats). Pisani lucked out.
Not to be an ass about it, but the Oilers have enough talent to kill the Flames this period. K-I-L-L. Release the hounds, Ralph!
Smarmy,
Weekes was going on about how Yak’s game isn’t developed enough yet and he’s not playing well enough without the puck. Everyone else on the panel (including the super-genius Glenn Healy) told him that he was crazy to be making that kind of criticism about a 19 year old rookie in his 4th game.
Had to wait until the break for this one.
Football is the choice of commercial sponsors. If you look at parents here in Phoenix, they are putting their kids in soccer first, and baseball second. Almost no one is letting their kids play football before high school, and definitely no one is putting their kids in MMA. What commercial sponsors decide is best for viewers doesn’t remotely line up with what people are choosing for their kids. American football was built for TV. Its watched here because its the only thing that gets coverage.
Soccer is #1, hands down, and its not even close.
Bookje (the OG) said that though my wife was super choked about the JS thing (as an Anaheim fan) said she would come back. That Kings game with Yak scoring that goal was watched by us both and she cheered legit. You were right dude, and I am sooo glad. You gave me hope, her having Yak in the pool probably helped, but it seems all good.
Looks like we’re both going to Wednesday’s game and we’re bringing a couple locals who have never seen live hockey. Hope the kids bring their A game for that. I found tickets online for $10. Hilarious.
Nice. Did you get a taco coupon with it? Hah. Phoenix is fun.
Was surprised that going into this game the Oilers were actually 18th in penalties taken.
Kids football is a regional thing. Heading down the 20 to Texas and beyond will net you a lot of American football kids.
Phoenix strikes me as a soccer mom mecca.
Gagner sure likes the backhand tonight.
there’s been lots of fights out east that are tilting the scales somewhat.
PRV making Horcoff and Smyth look bad.
Clearly there are two lines skating the right direction tonight.
I’ve learned that a lot of Flame fans REALLY hate “the young Oilers” being described by the media as such. So if you want to really piss off Flames fans and don’t care if you look like a prat doing so…
I’ve never liked Kevin Weekes until tonight. Strangely, he hasn’t sounded like an asshole to me once this season, and as for his or any non-Oilers fan opinions on Yaks, who gives a fuck?
Why can’t they pull goalies who obviously stink on the night like they do with pitchers?
Pettrell’s looked pretty good tonight, by my eye.
Nuge finally hit the net. He’s going to score tonight.
Damn, can’t deny that was a nice goal. Veteran play by Iginla. Rare mistake by Petry.
Goddamned Cleary.
Oilers are not going to win this game but I think they have the horses. The coach needs to be better.
Iginla and Glencross light up the Oilers every goddamn time. J.H. Christ.
Whitney!!!
Fistric’s looked pretty decent too. Petry and Smid not inspiring the kind of confidence they were before.
Never understood why the Oilers let Glencross go.
Money.
I don’t know whether or not Dubnyk has any sisters, but I’ll bet they’re easy.
As up and down as Peckham is he would be an upgrade on Whitney. Whitney is done.
Dubnyk’s definitely not the problem here. Bad d-zone coverage on that last goal. Interference on the first. PP on the second.
I’m guessing pretty homley too.
Absolutely.
wow. terrible call.
these refs are not adequate.
REF YOU SUCK! … what? It’s on them? … nevermind.
MAN that Eberle guy has some moves. Wish we had him signed for years to come.
Eberle, that is HOT!!! Wow.
Clutch. Just clutch.
Eberle! Right through two Flames and Kipper.
Jordan Schultz with the primary assist.
Eberle (Schultz, Horcoff)
Ebs!
Eberle’s second excellent chance on that PP.
i guess this makes up for the first non-call goalie interference.
It honestly feels like a solid 75% of our offense is Justin Schultz-related.
I’ll take that goal. First goal should not have counted for the Flames, we shouldn’t have had a powerplay there.
Some snipe and cool in traffic from Ebs.
call me pathetic, but i’m glad Jordan Schultz picked us.
This team appears to have no doubt whatsoever that they’re going to score more goals tonight.
Yaupov will not get as many powerplay goals as he should; the first unit will score too many.
That play to get in the zone was GRRRRRREAAAATTT!
Captain Clutch!
next up; Komrade Klutch
Book it!
Woo, 4-on-4. Almost as good as a pp.
So based on the terrible standard set by Karlsson winning the Norris last year, does Schultz automatically win if he leads all defencemen in scoring?
Belanger has been thoroughly decent this year.
4-on-4? This can only help us.
I don’t like having Whitney out 4-on-4 =/
HAHAHA. If I purchased from Florence they would have included a house.
Eberle. I just love that kid.
Also, 5-on-5, 5-on-4, 5-on-3, and 4-on-3.
Hah, Samwise the Mighty held Iginla off the puck.
i wonder if we’ll ever find out what the oilers play like with a lead.
striatic,
They are undefeated when leading.
*cough*
Everyone grows a foot with Hordi in the lineup, eh Sam.
Don’t know about the Norris, but if he leads all D in scoring he’ll certainly be bringing home some kind of hardware.
5 points in 4 games, and if anything the bounces haven’t gone his way.
this is painful to watch.
So. This is the carefully nurtured since…2003 goalie we’ve all been waiting for?
Some day soon I hope I don’t have to scream at the TV “WATCH THE WIDE OPEN GUY IN FRONT OF THE GODDAMN NET!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Our PK is brutal.
#32 for the black and white team should be demoted. Not FIRED. DEMOTED.
Is DD your new white whale? Harpooning Horc is so pre lockout.
Bullshit.
FIRED
Tonight on Hockey Night in Canada we have a refereeing match between Don Kowal and Other Guy, with some guys playing hockey, too.
Are you kidding me? THAT’S A PENALTY?
Wow, that was a special call. Guess the one on Yak was too, but geez…
weak ass call on the filthy russian kaptain.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GLADYS, HOLD ME BAAAACK!
Horcoff didn’t even touch the goalie, as clearly shown on the replay as the Calgary homer media gush about the justice of the penalty.
LOL
wow.
these refs really are terrible.
i guess making up for a non-slash with non-interference call is “fair”, but it makes for a terrible game.
Goaltender interference without touching the goaltender.
Horcoff is a magician.
Don’t you need to touch the goaltender to get a goaltender int. call?
just asking.
Re-match. I believe Kowal won the 1st round.
Oilers are making this so difficult. Their opposition is inferior, but they keep helping them. Get the puck in their end of the rink and let THEM make the mistakes.
Man. This is very disappointing because the Oilers are the better team even down 4-2.
Forget goalies and defensemen. Edmonton needs to trade for a ref. Seems so far this season, they’re the only team that doesn’t have one of their own.
Apparently “[RTSSGOALS_807]” is a new hockey shot.
How is it these officials are so well-versed in the obscure minutiae of the rulebook but don’t understand the definition of offside?
Looks like the refs figured out how to stop the Oiler powerplay tonight; give a penalty before they can score.
goddamnitschultzZz!
Oh God the tic tac toe + mac and moe on top there.
Hall, nuge, eberle, eberle cross-crease just missed by Schultz.
Schultz needed to pot that one, damnit.
Cammalleri saved that goal.
Yes, but did you see the defenders part a path for Eberle there? The passing is so crisp and the kids are so deadly that the defence was mesmerized by the guys who didn’t have the puck.
Yeah, he did. But Schultz is supposed to be the Messiah or something. He should be able to pot it, cause we needed a goal there!
That Punjabi Hockey commercial looks like something from SCTV.
Nice play by Cammalleri there, that was labelled.
DD is struggling out of the gate. Rest of the team looks like a winner, even when they’re sleeping.
This.
i didn’t know this until recently, but after French and English, Punjabi is the 3rd most spoken language in Canada.
Oh that made me laugh.
Justin Schultz doesn’t really seem to have an NHL shot but he may score 50 regardless. Its like he’s on the ice all the time. That Kruger trusts him this heavy now can only bode well going forward.
The kids have just been setting things up for dramatic last-minute heroics so Yakupov can celebrate and rub it in Sour Grapes’ face.
Lowetide,
Man, after a decade of being dominated by the phlegms I have a tough time agreeing with you.Youth being out-hustled by a bunch of veterans. 2nd best goalie on the ice as usual. Discouraging.
This.
I know I made a comment earlier on about DD – I didn’t like the 5-hole goal, but really can’t blame him on the other 3 has he had no chance.
Am not sure if he’s struggling necessarily, but hasn’t looked very comfortable, and perhaps it’s the way the team is playing in front of him.
Overall, goaltending is not the issue tonight. Brutal refs, bad d-zone coverage aren’t helping. Part of a young team I guess, they’ll get you excited one minute, break your heart the next.
Oilers need a big third period. Would hate to drop this game. Not only is it against the Flames, but a key divisional rival we need to take as many points as possible from to have any hope of the playoffs.
I’m not sure where you’re seeing Dubnyk as the problem here. Poor team defence/positioning is still allowing opposing players clean looks off rebounds/crossing passes. Oh, and I guess he also lets in kicked pucks when he’s punched in the face.
That’s pretty much it.
Calgary is almost full value for their lead, but the Oilers are letting them.
Petry’s pinched for no good reason and mosied back to the D zone way too often.
The system seems to have the D pinch a lot and the C must be there to cover, but when the D are pinching in bad spots the C isn’t expecting to cover and off to the races Calgary goes.
I think you have to put Potter in for Whitney next game. 6 just can’t keep up to the game.
Potter is RH and can play the right side while FIstric plays the left.
It’s tough to watch how often Whitney gets pinned against his own end-boards waiting for reinforcements even if he doesn’t start there.
looking at the opposing players in the D zone instead of the tops of their own skates might help.
they really do make it so difficult.
If this was last year I’d tell the wife to look for a movie.
These kids are worth watching until the last whistle.
Go Oilers!!!
*clap, clap*
Woodguy,
I hear you. Whitney is a real liability.
Woodguy,
On the plus side, ya, I also want to stick around till the end of this game. it’s a better feeling.
time to shop for another D man to replace Whitney.
But who? and how?
The top 6 and Schultz are playing with *shudder* swagger. They look like they just know they’re going to score, it just hasn’t happened yet (enough).
crude,
I wonder how that is going to be addressed?
Time to trade Hemsky for a D man. Another invisible night for him. He just can’t show up for every 4th or 5th game like he has most of his career. Frustrating.
Maybe Pronger is available… not getting much ice time these days in Philly.
Clarkenstein,
I wouldn’t say he’s invisible. Gagner and Yakupov just aren’t giving him the puck very often.
Agreed LT. We are getting robbed. Also agree with Woodguy, this team always has a chance.
*clap, clap*
Love to see Whitney start the 3rd in the Harvey the hound head on.
Hrudey is really cupping the Frames and Iginla’s balls tonight.
Okay. Start trash-talking Hemsky some more.
Hemsky! So, so, so close! Woulda been so nice.
The weird thing about Whitney is that he’s mis-handling the puck WAY too much as well. It’s not just his lack of mobility.
Last season no way I’m waiting to watch a third period – but suddenly you wonder which one of The Young Oilers steps up to embrace Homeric status tonight.
They need to start having a green jacket for the team’s hottest scorer to wear…it would piss off other teams to no end, and provide fun for The Young Oilers.
Peoples, peoples, it’s game four, for God’s sake. Give it at least ten games. They’re still shaking hands with each other other than the three kids.
Weakest icing call ever.
I think the lack of mobility is having something of a ripple effect on his entire game.
In an interview a while back he commented on reinventing his game for his ‘new normal’ but when you do that at his age (sounds weird to say about someone younger than myself), everything from muscle memory to how you think the game is affected, and rarely for the better.
Haven’t noticed the arena music up to now, but they did just play some AC/DC. Relatively obscure AC/DC too.
Wow, I never hear THEM in this province. (rolls eyes)