OKC V CHICAGO 6.1.13

The impact of today’s news will be felt in Edmonton later this week, but impacts the Barons immediately. On the road and now with their three best players (Hall, Eberle, Schultz) off to OKC to pack up for Edmonton’s TC, coach Todd Nelson is faced with playing a game this afternoon badly undermanned.

(photo of Curtis Hamilton courtesy Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved).

Jordan Eberle told us the news about his being a healthy scratch today and the same goes for Taylor Hall and Justin Schultz. Jason Gregor gives us another side to the story.

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So we’re clear on two of the players who’ll head north with the trio of Hall, Ebs and Schultz. I would think a center–VandeVelde or Lander—along with Magnus Paajarvi would also be coming north but we’ll have to wait and see. OKC has a full slate of games next weekend (Fri-Sun) which is at the very least inconvenient for the career aspirations of several Oiler prospects. I would think not getting an invite would be a “tell” in terms of Paajarvi’s fortunes with the organization.

For the rest of the group, there’s a chance someone like Mark Arcobello, Taylor Fedun and Yann Danis receive recalls based on injuries and specific circumstance. We’ll have to wait and see, exciting days ahead.

What then does this mean to the Barons as they sit idling in the driveway? GREAT news for veterans who had fallen down the depth chart, men like Josh Green and Dane Byers. FABULOUS news for kids like Tyler Pitlick and Curtis Hamilton, they’ll get regular turns and maybe some PP time. OUTSTANDING news for Toni Rajala and Phil Cornet, they’re likely back in the AHL.

Bad news? Mark Arcobello, whose new linemates are a little shy of the last pair. This was a major career opportunity and although he took full advantage it may not have been enough to get noticed. If he gets a call to camp later this week, the hard work of years will have paid off to the point where he’s above the event horizon as a prospect. Undrafted, undersized, and won a job during a lockout? Pretty compelling article, if he has a career maybe even a book.

Up in the air? Olivier Roy a little, I’d think anyway. Danis should be going north but you never know and if Danis stays then the young goalie is back to playing three times a month.

I’ll post lineups in the comments section today, should be an interesting game. Man. Pinch me I’m dreaming.

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  1. bookje says:

    What are these “Oklahoma City Barons” you speak of?

  2. oilersfan says:

    could somebody here who is on twitter ask James mIrtle or somebody who can find out, whether or not a bought out player can re-sign with his old team under the amnesty thing, and if not, can they be traded then re-sign? would love to know the answer. important for us Oilers fans I think.

  3. dessert1111 says:

    Only 1 or 2 more? Would like to see all of Paajarvi, Danis, Arcobello and VandeVelde at camp…maybe Lander and Fedun…I don’t think Teubert or Fedun should be on an NHL roster but the options are what they are.

    What do you think the training camp battles are LT?

  4. PunjabiOil says:

    Stauffer just tweeted that Ryan Jones has an injury right now, could be gone for several weeks.

    And it begins…

  5. oilersfan says:

    withJones out both Harti and MP will make the team.Only on the Oilers can a guy not playing get injured.

    Gotta think the Barons will be signing 3-4 players this week. I bet Brian Helmer is a Baron by Tuesday. They just didn’t sign him to give his minutes to Schultz imo.

    I don’t think many will be invited to training camp. The Vandeveldes and Teuberts just had a 30 game exhiibition season no reason to bring them up here and deplete the Barons’ roster further.

  6. Lowetide says:

    lol. Good grief. Okay, well Paajarvi shoujld absolutely come north. Good grief. Already said that.

  7. Lowetide says:

    dessert1111:
    Only 1 or 2 more? Would like to see all of Paajarvi, Danis, Arcobello and VandeVelde at camp…maybe Lander and Fedun…I don’t think Teubert or Fedun should be on an NHL roster but the options are what they are.

    What do you think the training camp battles are LT?

    I think Danis makes it because NK won’t be ready (betting on that is a no brainer). I think Teubert and Peckham will battle for that final roster spot on the D, believe there will be a battle between Harski and Yakupov for 2line LW (loser getting 3line).

  8. blackdog says:

    With Jones out I would bet Paajarvi comes up too. Folks are betting on OKC falling apart now but only Teemu would be regular from last year to get call right? And they were a decent club last year. Although of course they are short vets especially on D.

    Next few months big for Pitlick, Hamilton, Lander. Not ready to write them off yet, a bad few months isn’t good but last season Cornet was outstanding for a few months and it didn’t mean he suddenly was a player. More icetime and opportunity for them, hopefully they can make something of it.

  9. DBO says:

    Screw it. run with half the AHL guys. Come out firing to start since we are ahead in guys playing.

    Hall-Nuge-Ebrle
    Yak-Gagner-Hemsky
    Smyth-Horc-Belanger (been mentioned before)
    Harksy-Lander-MPS

    And yes I know Lander is better to play whole year in the AHL, but it seems like he is only good with his buddies, so bring him up. Petrell will pass waivers, so have Eager and hordi as the extras. Put em in if needed.

  10. spoiler says:

    Lines for the Barons are going to be interesting…

    Do Paajarvi and Harski leave Lander and move alongside Arcobello, or do Hamilton and Pitlick get their chances there?

  11. oilersfan says:

    fyi stauffer and tencer are on ched now

  12. sliderule says:

    The second best thing about the end of the lockout is I will never ever ever have to watch another blurry AHL live game.

  13. oilersfan says:

    sportsnet and tsn fought over who got to cover the Marlies all through the lockout but they only played one OKC game, against Abbbotsford. I understand there are costs to cover these game but surely OKC would have been more interesting than poker and bowling?

  14. Lucinius says:

    Nice to see hockey is coming back. I will no longer have to firebomb a few dozen homes.

    If I were Krueger, I would run;

    RNH — Hall* — Eberle
    Gagner — Yakupov* — Hemsky
    Horcoff — Smyth — Paajarvi
    Belanger — Harski — Jones/Eager/Petrell

    * Can swap as needed.

    Third line is the hard checking line. Give MPS the apprenticeship he needs. Putting Yakupov there is a massive waste, imo, and a continuation of screwing up one’s lines. Fourth line would thus be a more able, hard hitting line with Harski and Jones (or Eager with Jones out.. or Petrell/callup if Eager is hurt).

    Top two lines are the scoring lines. If you slide Hall on the Gagner line you have the hard match up scoring line while the other gets softies as you can give it to them.

    This would make the special teams like this;

    PP1;
    RNH — Hall* — Eberle — Harski — J. Schultz

    PP2′
    Gagner — Yakupov* — Hemsky — Smyth/Paajarvi — Petry/Whitney

    * Again, can swap if needed.

    PK1;
    Horcoff — MPS — Smid — Petry/Whitney

    PK2;
    Belanger — Smyth — N. Schultz — Petry/Whitney

    PK3;
    Gagner — Eberle — Smid/N. Schultz* — Peckham/Teubert/Potter/Pylon

    * Rotation

    This gives enough of the young bloods the opportunity to learn how to PK. Third unit is the one you’d use the least, but to give Eberle a taste.

    D-pairings;
    Smid — Petry
    N. Schultz — J. Schultz
    Whitney — Peckham/Teubert/Potter/Pylon

    This is what I’d start the year with. Give Whitney time to ease back into game form and see how the ankle holds up. If he’s near 100% you can slide him up the chart for N. Schultz. I’d keep Petry and Smid together unless they have a bad string of games, due to how they’ve worked well together in the past.

    As for OKC; they just better hope the people that got brutalized by the lock out can perform.

  15. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    Lines for the Barons are going to be interesting…

    Do Paajarvi and Harski leave Lander and move alongsideArcobello, or do Hamilton and Pitlick get their chances there?

    Assuming Hartikainen and Paajarvi make the Oilers, I would go

    Arcobello-Cornet-Pitlick
    Green-Hamilton-Rajala
    Lander-Byers-House
    VandeVelde-Tyrvainen-Lizon

  16. LMHF#1 says:

    So, what are the odds of an FA center and a trade for a defenceman (or vice versa) before this thing actually gets going?

  17. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Assuming Hartikainen and Paajarvi make the Oilers, I would goArcobello-Cornet-PitlickGreen-Hamilton-RajalaLander-Byers-HouseVandeVelde-Tyrvainen-Lizon

    I was thinking more for today, but I can’t disagree with those lines much, going forward Spreads the size around a bit. And hey, we might even see Pelss.

  18. Ryan says:

    Lucinius,

    I’ve been thinking about the Oilers lines too.

    Last year MPS was where offense went to die, yet he had the best 5v5 ga on the entire team with a 47.5% offensive zone start.

    MPS has all of the tools to be a pisani with speed one day.

    I like the idea of a Horcoff, Smith, MPS line.

    Horcoff ain’t what he used to be and has lost a step. smyth is defensively smart, but never had speed to burn.

    Agreed Yakupov would die on that line. He’d end up trying to do everything himself.

    The Yakupov Hemsky situation is a tough one.

    Much as it makes sense to have a LH shot Yakupov play LW, I think he needs to start on the right just to see where he’s at.

    I can’t recall Hemsky ever playing on the LW, so it creates a problem.

    Maybe start with Harsky-Gagner–Yakupov against softs with good zone starts and see if he’s able to play LW.

    The top line is a no-brainer. Agreed.

  19. oilersfan says:

    MP may have speed that Pisani didn’t have, but Pisani had a quick release , accurate wrist shot that MP sure as hell does not have now. Hope he gets it that is the biggest difference between him being a 10-15 goal scorer vs a 20-25 goal scorer.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Paajarvi is a kid. When Pisani was his age he was in college iirc. Paajarvi is a good hockey player, certainly someone who should have a solid NHL career.

  21. bookje says:

    Let me be this first to predict that Ryan Jones will not match his goal scoring total from last year!

  22. oilersfan says:

    What are the thoughts here on the Oilers signing MIke Commodore as a Sutton replacement? Very similar player, younger, a bit faster, from the Edmonton area. Hitchcock turned him into a top pairing guy but that was over his head. I wonder if he could be a good 6-7? thoughts?

  23. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pisani was born in 1976, Paajarvi in 1991, a difference in age of 14 years, 4 months.

    Pisani played his first NHL game 10 years ago this week. He was already 26 years old.

    By the end of the Second Bettman Lockout, Pisani was three months from his 29th birthday and had 111 NHL GP on his resume.

    By the end of the Third Bettman Lockout, Paajarvi is three months from his 22nd birthday and has 121 NHL GP on his resume.

    There are things about Pisani’s game that Paajarvi should strive for, but they are nowhere close to being the same player.

  24. Lowetide says:

    Pisani also replaced Dan Cleary, took his job away. Cleary is still playing. funny stuff.

  25. oilersfan says:

    Bruce what do you think of Mike Commodore? He was a very good third pairing guy who got elevated by Hitchcock into a decent top four guy whose game went off the rails. I think some of that problem was the goaltending behind him went south and he was over his head as a top pairing guy. That being said, couldn’t he play with Whitney on a veteran, very good third pairing?

  26. DBO says:

    So will we hear the rhetoric about protecting the kids. I remember an interview where Hordichuk mentioned Renney wouldn’t let them do what they needed to, and he was excited because Krueger will let them play. So Eager and Hordi in lineup? Hope not, but I expect one o them at least every game.

  27. Ryan says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Great points, Bruce.

    Just saying MPS has the tools to carve out a career potentially as an elite checking winger. He has the speed, size, and defensive instincts. No shame in him not ending up as a 1st or 2nd line winger.

    There are big impact hockey players who contribute to winning hockey games and not all of them post crooked numbers.

    To my eye and recollection, players like Marchant were vital to some of the Oilers big upsets against Colorado and Dallas back in the day.

  28. Lowetide says:

    Ryan: I think that’s a fine role for him, WG has mentioned this in the past too. The Oilers top lines have Hall, Yak, Eberle and Hemsky as options. No sin in playing 3line on this team.

  29. Bruce McCurdy says:

    In my (addled) mind, a better comp for Paajarvi is another former Oiler of around that era, Radek Dvorak. Devo was picked exactly tenth overall, made the NHL as a teenager and hung around for a long time (~1200 GP, ~600 points) as a minute-munching two-way winger. He too was hyped as a high-scoring speedster but found his niche a little further down the food chain. Still wound up a very useful player and more than covered his draft number IMO.

    Devo ended his career with almost as many shorthanded goals (24) as powerplay goals (27), which is one quick and dirty way to guesstimate what kind of role the guy played over the years. Which is to say, a lot more time on the PK than the PP, but a versatile guy that his coaches likely trusted a lot.

  30. spoiler says:

    Bruce McCurdy: In my (addled) mind, a better comp for Paajarvi is another former Oiler of around that era, Radek Dvorak. Devo was picked exactly tenth overall, made the NHL as a teenager and hung around for a long time (~1200 GP, ~600 points) as a minute-munching two-way winger. He too was hyped as a high-scoring speedster but found his niche a little further down the food chain. Still wound up a very useful player and more than covered his draft number IMO. Devo ended his career with almost as many shorthanded goals (24) as powerplay goals (27), which is one quick and dirty way to guesstimate what kind of role the guy played over the years. Which is to say, a lot more time on the PK than the PP, but a versatile guy that his coaches likely trusted a lot.

    I’ve been pimping Dvorak as his bottom end comp too. Didn’t have consistent hands but could forecheck like a demon, get tjhepuck to the slot. And was also an absolute speed freak.

  31. oilersfan says:

    Dvo is too good of a comp, as players like him, Dean McAmmond etc are always available at 1.2 million on july 25 as ufa’s. I was hoping more out of MP as a tenth overall pick touted to have some offence but I guess thats the way the draft ball bounces.

    Can’t say how disappointing that is along with all the second round picks that look to be a bundle of mediocrity. Lander, Pitlick, Marincin, Hamilton, Musil and Moroz all look to be questionable NHLers with Marincin likely the most upside. Hopefully the Cam Barker refernce in last night’s thread is wrong and Crazy Coaches’ comparison a year ago to Larry Robinson is closer to the point.

    Bruce if you see this, as a regular writer evaluating Marincin at the COH I was wondering your thoughts on Marincin, how do you see him coming along and what sort of upside do you expect from him given his highs and lows this season? thanks in advance if you see this and answer it.

  32. dessert1111 says:

    Lowetide: I think Danis makes it because NK won’t be ready (betting on that is a no brainer). I think Teubert and Peckham will battle for that final roster spot on the D, believe there will be a battle between Harski and Yakupov for 2line LW (loser getting 3line).

    That sounds right, but I’m disappointed there won’t be more to it. I always find training camp battles a lot of fun and suspenseful, kind of like reality tv when survivor first came out, before it was horrible. We all have our favourites and can’t wait for others to get voted off the island/demoted to the AHL :)

  33. Lowetide says:

    Yeah, this is kind of a weird TC. I don’t think we’ll get a Joey Moss, which sucks.

  34. DBO says:

    Stauffer says Bulin will be ready for camp. So no Danis. When Bulin tweeks groin in 1st month, then Danis will be our upgrade for sure.

    And Stauffer already mentioning toughness needed. LOL.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Khabibulin ready? Yeah, I’d have Katz’ lear jet parked on the tarmac in OKC.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Scratches for #OKCBarons: Davidson, Schultz, Ringwald, Eberle, Tyrvainen, Hall, Pelss

    Impressive scratch list. Davidson continues to go through treatment, Pelss is still suspended I believe (right?) Tyrvainen is hurt and I’m not sure on Ringwald but believe he’s hurt too.

  37. gd says:

    For me PRV is a guy they should not be thinking a trading. With a future roster of 4 offensive dynamos plus a rover like JS, a defensively responsible, 6’2″ world class speedster in the right age cluster for the core is exactly what this team needs, even if he is soft. We need to forget that he was 10th pick overall and find our scoring and toughness elsewhere. With the salary cap staying more or less intact it’s almost handy to have a few draftees not completely turn out as long as they are resigned to proper contracts (same goes for Gagner) as odds are your own guys are going to be cheaper than someone on the open market.

  38. Lowetide says:

    GD: I agree. I think PAajarvi could end up being the guy they’re looking for.

  39. Gerta Rauss says:

    DBO: Stauffer says Bulin will be ready for camp. So no Danis. When Bulin tweeks groin in 1st month, then Danis will be our upgrade for sure.And Stauffer already mentioning toughness needed. LOL.

    Where is Jeff Gillooly when you need him.

  40. jake70 says:

    For all the flak the management team has taken from various corners, had they “won games” in the seasons following his draft year, MPS would be under everyone’s microscope a whole lot more than he is now. We now able to talk without much angst about a 10th overall pick as becomming only a 3rd line winger, not too worried if that what he turns out to be. To chart a new course, this team needed some all world talent in the forward group…period, full stop. Post Pronger, they could only get it by tanking, as ugly as it’s been.

    So I guess the Oilers won’t be playing in Montreal , Ottawa later this month……can the NHL, as a goodwill gesture, reimburse my prepaid hotel bookings for those dates??? (I knew better but the price was too good off expedia, unfortunately non-refundable……..*&^%$ lockout!)

  41. Lowetide says:

    Oklahoma City Barons ‏@OKC_Barons

    Tentative lines for #OKCBarons, “goulash” according to Nelson: Green-Arco-Teemu; MPS-Lander-Pitlick; Byers-Vandy-Hamilton; ???-House-Lizon

    Goulash it is!

  42. Lowetide says:

    Oklahoma City Barons ‏@OKC_Barons

    Mix and match #OKCBarons D pairings, roughly Deck-Teubert, Marincin-Plante, Lafranchise-Fedun, Henry will see ice time as well

    Lordy. Suspect we might see an AHL veteran signed on the back end.

  43. godot10 says:

    Ryan:
    Lucinius,

    I’ve been thinking about the Oilers lines too.

    Last year MPS was where offense went to die, yet he had the best 5v5 ga on the entire team with a 47.5% offensive zone start.

    Last year Belanger was where offense went to die. Unfortunately, MPS was stuck with Belanger for almost all of his opportunity.

    Vandevelde had six goals in the playoffs playing with Paajarvi. Lander is looking like a 3rd line centre prospect again playing with Paajarvi, with 3 goals.

    Chris Kreider has 5 goals in 33 AHL games. Sean Couturier only has 28 points in 31 AHL games.

    Renney misused Paajarvi. You are blaming the player for a coaching problem.

    People keep forgetting that Paajarvi is NOT a normal forward prospect. He played much of his early hockey as a defensemen. His playmaking ability and puck transporting ability is easily NHL level. His goal scoring instincts are somewhat behind. He is more playmaker than goal scorer right now. His goal scoring should improve over time, but I doubt it will ever be exceptional.

    Accept the peg you have instead of wishing it were a different shape.

    The peg you have is a pretty useful peg.

  44. Lucinius says:

    So, lockout ends. First discussion I have with a friend about hockey?

    “I still don’t see why teams just don’t put pads and equipment on a sumo wrestler and sit him in net!”

    I had no idea what to say.

    And then he brings up the question as to why we never see the “Flying V” from the Mighty Ducks movies.

    Yeah, I almost miss lockout talk.

  45. dessert1111 says:

    Lowetide:
    Oklahoma City Barons ‏@OKC_Barons

    Tentative lines for #OKCBarons, “goulash” according to Nelson: Green-Arco-Teemu; MPS-Lander-Pitlick; Byers-Vandy-Hamilton; ???-House-Lizon

    Goulash it is!

    Maybe they’re throw Henry as 4LW? Lol. This game should be entertaining, but probably in a bad way.

    Disappointed that the 3 NHL guys couldn’t just stay for the game so OKC didn’t have to resort to not even being able to ice a full lineup. Everyone scratched minus the 3 are injured, except Pelss who I think still has a few days left for his suspension.

  46. godot10 says:

    Lucinius:
    So, lockout ends. First discussion I have with a friend about hockey?

    “I still don’t see why teams just don’t put pads and equipment on a sumo wrestler and sit him in net!”

    I had no idea what to say.

    And then he brings up the question as to why we never see the “Flying V” from the Mighty Ducks movies.

    Yeah, I almost miss lockout talk.

    Even a sumo wrestler is only 6 ft by 2 ft at max, which covers only 50% of the net. A good NHL goaltender is able to put that 50% in more likely shot locations. A sumo wrestler would not be able to do that, and thus be essentially ineffective.

  47. Lowetide says:

    Oh Magnus, you’ll never get a better chance than that one!

  48. Lowetide says:

    Josh Green no assist

  49. Lowetide says:

    Barons look good so far, goal by Green, breakaway by Paajarvi and Pitlick has played well. They’re keeping it simple and working hard, which seems about right.

  50. justDOit says:

    Could be that now the rest of the team has to take on some responsibility, rather than just leaving it to the stars?

  51. smokinmonkey8 says:

    First shift I’ve seen this game and the end of the lock out is looking like a godsend for PRV

  52. gcw_rocks says:

    Link for the game?

  53. PunjabiOil says:

    The Oilers twitter account stopped tweeting updates on the Barons. LOL.

  54. OilLeak says:

    Methinks that OKC’s powerplay may take a bit of hit now.

  55. gcw_rocks says:

    gracias!

  56. godot10 says:

    smokinmonkey8:
    First shift I’ve seen this game and the end of the lock out is looking like a godsend for PRV

    Parting with Renney was a godsend for PRV.

    The Renney distortion field still lingers over the masses.

  57. gcw_rocks says:

    Needless penalty

  58. Lowetide says:

    Looks like some of the forwards are at least moving the puck smartly given the chance, Barons could have used some better finish by Paajarvi and then later on the PP. Still, it’ll be interesting to see how these kids use the playing time.

  59. jp says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    In my (addled) mind, a better comp for Paajarvi is another former Oiler of around that era, Radek Dvorak. Devo was picked exactly tenth overall, made the NHL as a teenager and hung around for a long time (~1200 GP, ~600 points) as a minute-munching two-way winger. He too was hyped as a high-scoring speedster but found his niche a little further down the food chain. Still wound up a very useful player and more than covered his draft number IMO.

    Devo ended his career with almost as many shorthanded goals (24) as powerplay goals (27), which is one quick and dirty way to guesstimate what kind of role the guy played over the years. Which is to say, a lot more time on the PK than the PP, but a versatile guy that his coaches likely trusted a lot.

    Definitely agree on this. That 31G 68P (or whatever it was) season Dvorak had for the Rangers certainly inflated my expectations for him when he got traded to the Oilers. That said, the real Dvorak was a very useful player and the Oilers will be in good shape if Paajarvi settles in as that type of player (assuming they don’t send him away first). Absolutely incredible for a guy with ~600 points to be almost even in PP/PK goals – I didn’t realize he was biased that heavily away from the PP.

  60. Kris11 says:

    OkC needs a vet or two.

    I would be okay trading some of the longshot picks or failing prospects to add a good ahl-player-prospect to OKC. Helps with development of the other guys, IMO.Man, I love that th old names are starting to come back throught the door and post.

    First game thread should be a doozy!

  61. oilersfan says:

    looking at the list of dmen UFA”s the list is not impressive. Commodore, Saur(is he hurt?), Colin Wilson, Campoli, Mark Eaton, Jeff Finger, Vandermeer.

    Of that list is there anybody the collective wisdom of this group would want to sign?

    Eaton looks to be the best. I wonder if Jeff Finger is a decent player, despite the criticisim of his most recent bad contract?

  62. Gerta Rauss says:

    What’s the score in the OKC game…?…the Barons are persona non grata on the Oilers website now…:)

  63. OilLeak says:

    Shots were registered as 16-18 in the first, sounds like shot counter is a bit trigger happy.

  64. OilLeak says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    What’s the score in the OKC game…?…the Barons are persona non grata on the Oilers website now…:)

    2 – 1 for the Wolves

  65. Gerta Rauss says:

    That link I posted above is the edited version…let it run and it’ll kick you to the full 9 minute presser.

    And if Woodguy lets the 2nd link play through it’ll kick you to the Laforge presser..:)

  66. Gerta Rauss says:

    oilersfan: looking at the list of dmen UFA”s the list is not impressive. Commodore, Saur(is he hurt?), Colin Wilson, Campoli, Mark Eaton, Jeff Finger, Vandermeer.Of that list is there anybody the collective wisdom of this group would want to sign?Eaton looks to be the best. I wonder if Jeff Finger is a decent player, despite the criticisim of his most recent bad contract?

    Colin White’s name was mentioned earlier, but yeah, it’s pretty slim pickens.

    I wonder if Milan Jurcina is available…I know he signed with a Czech league team very early in the lockout but I wonder if he has an out clause in the deal..?

  67. gcw_rocks says:

    oilersfan,

    Everything you need to know about signing Jeff Finger:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16043

    Yes, I know its Hockeybuzz, but not all the bloggers are Eklund. This one is worth reading because the guy appears to have done his homework.

  68. Gerta Rauss says:

    -Jones took a puck to the eye..surgery same day…”definitely weeks away”
    -sounds like Khabi is close if not ready to go

  69. Lowetide says:

    Green (Lander, Fedun)

  70. jp says:

    Nice goal. Be great for the remaining Barons if Green can get back in form for the remainder of the season. He’s been in a bit of a fog since returning from his injury. And Lander still “producing”.

  71. Ryan says:

    godot10,

    Except that you’re preaching to the converted and I’m not blaming PRV. Agreed about Belanger too.

    To stick in the NHL, you’re better off to realize that you will if you’re really good at something even if that thing isn’t what you hoped (potting goals). No shame as I said in PRV turning into an elite 3rd line 2-way winger instead of a top six winger.

  72. Lowetide says:

    This team clearly needs to add a veteran defender and I think someone up front too, but the only “AHL vets” are Byers, Green and Danis iirc so they have room.

    Although behind I’m encouraged by Paajarvi’s impressive foot speed, that terrific pass from Lander on the 2nd goal and the line of Lander-Paajarvi-Pitlick.

    Anyone else?

  73. Gerta Rauss says:

    Each team will be given the option of two “amnesty buyouts” that can be used to terminate contracts prior to the 2013-14 season or 2014-15 season. The buyouts will cost two-thirds of the remaining amount on a deal — paid evenly over twice its remaining length — and will count against the players’ overall share in revenues, but not the individual team’s salary cap

    Interesting little blurb culled from the web-I pulled this off MSN dot ca so it was one of those “catch all” articles about the CBA so I can’t attribute it to a specific source(or confirm it’s accuracy) This may save Horcoff’s job for 13/14..the Oilers may/may not be in any hurry to buy him out depending on their salaries committed come June. I would still buy him out but it’s not my money.

  74. godot10 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Each team will be given the option of two “amnesty buyouts” that can be used to terminate contracts prior to the 2013-14 season or 2014-15 season. The buyouts will cost two-thirds of the remaining amount on a deal — paid evenly over twice its remaining length — and will count against the players’ overall share in revenues, but not the individual team’s salary cap

    Interesting little blurb culled from the web-I pulled this off MSN dot ca so it was one of those “catch all” articles about the CBA so I can’t attribute it to a specific source(or confirm it’s accuracy) This may save Horcoff’s job for 13/14..the Oilers may/may not be in any hurry to buy him out depending on their salaries committed come June. I would still buy him out but it’s not my money.

    The two free buyouts are normal buyouts, except that they don’t count against the salary cap. The money is going to a hockey player, so buyouts are charged to the players share of HRR.

    The normal buyout is 2/3rds of remaining salary spread out over twice the remaining term of the contract. Horcoff will have three years left, so 2/3rds of his remaining salary would be paid out over six years. But this would have no salary cap effect because of the two get-out-of-jail-free buyouts. Other than the salary cap effect, every is the same as for a normal buyout.

    Since Horcoff’s contract was severely front-loaded, a normal buyout with salary cap effect would actually not give the Oilers much salary cap relief. There would be little benefit for the Oilers to buyout Horcoff unless there was a penalty free buyout. Now there conceivably is.

  75. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10,

    That doesn’t sound right-Horcoff will have 2 years left in June when the amnesty buyouts are available, so his remaining salary of $7m will be 2/3 paid out over 4 years.

    And yes, the OIlers will get salary cap relief of $5.5M for each of those 2 years-that’s pretty significant.

    And the point I was trying to make is the Oilers can choose to buyout Horcoff this June for both years remaining, OR, keep him for 13/14 and then use the amensty buyout in June 14 for his 1 remaining year.

  76. OilLeak says:

    Nice goal by Hartikainen.

  77. Lowetide says:

    Hartikainen (green) 3-3

  78. OilLeak says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    godot10,

    That doesn’t sound right-Horcoff will have 2 years left in June when the amnesty buyouts are available, so his remaining salary of $7m will be 2/3 paid out over 4 years.

    And yes, the OIlers will get salary cap relief of $5.5M for each of those 2 years-that’s pretty significant.

    And the point I was trying to make is the Oilers can choose to buyout Horcoff this June for both years remaining, OR, keep him for 13/14 and then use the amensty buyout in June 14 for his 1 remaining year.

    Or a trade to a cap floor team, cap hit is higher than what is owed.

  79. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Hartikainen (green) 3-3

    Assist also to Lander according to theAHL.com.

  80. Gerta Rauss says:

    OilLeak,

    Yeah, that’s an option as well, and may be more realistic now if we hang on to him for the 13/14 season, and move him with just 1 year remaining on his deal.

  81. Marc says:

    If RGIII were an Oiler this blog would explode

  82. DBO says:

    Hockey News had an interesting comment on the Rangers D situation. Can’t hide any contracts in the AHL, and big need to sign Del Zotto. Could possibly make a deal for a decent DMan with them, or take Redden and a high pick for futures, then we can use the Katz is a rich owner thing to our advantage and buyout Redden and Horc if needed. Not my money, so no biggie for me, so who knows but the Rangers bear watching.

  83. jp says:

    Bad luck on that pinball goal. 5-3 Chicago with ~7 min left.

  84. oilersfan says:

    DBO why wouldn’t the Rangers just buy out Redden this summer and not have to trade or give anybody away?

  85. delooper says:

    Any news on when Yakupov arrives in Edmontonia?

  86. oilersfan says:

    even after the Rangers bring up Redden they have 4.2 million in cap space. will Del Zotto be worth more? if he gets 5.2 they only need to free up $1 million. shouldn’t be that hard for them to figure that out.

  87. DBO says:

    oilersfan,

    That is fine this summer. but right now they added Nash, and need to sign Del Zotto. Buyouts can only happen this summer. if you add Redden’s contract ($6.5 mill cap hit) they are at $65.75 or so and still need to sign Del Zotto. Means they have $4.25 available, with no wiggle room at all for call ups, etc. Doubt they run with no flexibility. The attractive part for Katz in the Redden buyout is only $5 mill in salary, $6.5 mill cap hit. We have room this year, he would solidify our 3rd pairing, and leave us options come summer. We could get Redden and a prospect or pick for nothing.

  88. Gerta Rauss says:

    oilersfan,

    I don’t want to put words in DBO’s mouth but I think what he was getting at is they have to deal with Redden in the next 14 days..the buyout won’t help them until June. I see you’ve done some math in your next post…are you saying they have $5.2M available right now..?..how many players do they have signed..?

    ***EDIT*** never mind…DBO answered the question himself***

  89. Gerta Rauss says:

    DBO,

    And I think K-Lowe has had a man crush on Redden for years.

    Interesting.

  90. oilersfan says:

    well i would be fine with Redden if Katz would spend the money.

    Stupid question here, but if there is no rollback on salaries or cap hits for existing contracts, and this year’s cap stays the same, but next years is down, but no rollback on existing contracts, what is the “make whole” all about? who is being made whole all that money if no contracts were reduced? thanks

  91. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide:
    This team clearly needs to add a veteran defender and I think someone up front too, but the only “AHL vets” are Byers, Green and Danis iirc so they have room.

    Although behind I’m encouraged by Paajarvi’s impressive foot speed, that terrific pass from Lander on the 2nd goal and the line of Lander-Paajarvi-Pitlick.

    Anyone else?

    Are you encouraged by his shooting percentage which has now dipped below 5% and his -2 on the day?

  92. gcw_rocks says:

    Interesting to see what the rangers do with Redden. If they can’t bury his salary, they will have to move him, I think. I doubt they would trade away another player to generate cap space this season and keep Redden. Someone smart will pull a Burke and ask for a player or a prospect to take Redden off the Rangers’ hands.

    If Katz is willing to toss a little money away, and a good prospect could be had, say, a potential third line centre (we likely will need one next season), then it could be a good deal all around for the Oilers. But with a cap of $70.2 actual (not paper 60M), maybe the Rangers can afford to keep him until the summer. We’ll see.

  93. DBO says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    DBO,

    And I think K-Lowe has had a man crush on Redden for years.

    Interesting.

    Very true. The search for the top end dman happens and is fulfilled 5 years later! No idea what Redden could bring, but if any player would be excited to just fly from game to game it would be him. 25 pts, 2nd PP maybe, 3rd pairing, not a horrible pick up. Has he lost a few steps or is he any good? No idea, but that is what scouts are for. wait. Same scouts who liked Bulin? Oh dear. Yes money is crazy, but he is a useful vet who fills a need. You then buy him out or keep him if you have room. Who knows. But I hope they pick up the phone to Slats and inquire.

  94. Lowetide says:

    Captain Happy: Are you encouraged by his shooting percentage which has now dipped below 5% and his -2 on the day?

    well DSF, I’m not one to go off the rails based on one game performance. How are ya, buddy?

  95. Marc says:

    The Rangers should be fine this year. They have 23 players under contract and $4M+ to sign Del Zotto.

    Next season though, they’ll be in real trouble as they’ll be approx $3M above the cap with Hagelin, Stepan, McDonagh and Sauer to sign. Buying out Redox and Gaborik would free up $14M, but $11M probably isn’t enough to sign those 4 players, so they’ll need to dump more contracts to make it work.

  96. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide,

    That took me way too long.

  97. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide: well DSF, I’m not one to go off the rails based on one game performance. How are ya, buddy?

    Well, that shooting percentage is based on 35 games this season.

    And, for the record, Radek Dvorak has a career shooting percentage of 9.1

  98. Gerta Rauss says:

    Our friend DSF isn’t going through another 3 Faces of Eve phase is he..?

  99. Lowetide says:

    AH, you bugger! :-)

  100. Kris11 says:

    I find it strange. Before the lockout, I was a bit sour on the idea of having Hall, RNH, and Yakupov in the lineup. It felt like each player was just a reminder of how awful the Oilers had been for so long, and there was a mix of pity and disgust that threatened my fandom.

    But that is gone now.

    Now, I am disgusted at the NHL and Katz for the arena debacle, but am genuinely excited about hockey again.

    Hall-Gagner-Eberle
    Yakupov-Horcoff-Hemsky
    Smyth-RNH-Hartikainen
    Eager-Belanger-Jones(Whoever)

    Smid-Petry
    Schultz-Schultz
    Whitney-Potter

    Dubnyk
    Khabi/Danis

    Flip Horcoff and RNH when needed to make a more defensively sound 3rd line or offensively powerful (but scary in their own end) 2nd line. (Keep Horcoff off the PP and he can take more ES time.)

    There are too many defensive liabilities at forward and not enough depth at D and G is sketchy, but the playoffs are possible, especially in a short season.

    I give them one chance in three.

    Also, the 1 year Petry deal will seem really, really, really dumb after this season, IMO.

  101. jp says:

    gcw_rocks:
    oilersfan,

    Everything you need to know about signing Jeff Finger:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16043

    Yes, I know its Hockeybuzz, but not all the bloggers are Eklund.This one is worth reading because the guy appears to have done his homework.

    Nice find. Informative and entertaining! If anyone didn’t check it out, you should. Too bad Sauer has retired.

  102. Kris11 says:

    Also, what becomes of Omark?

    Clearly he won’t be in an Oiler uniform, but will he have trade value?

  103. Captain Happy says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Our friend DSF isn’t going through another 3 Faces of Eve phase is he..?

    3 Phases of Eve would have been just so much more clever :)

  104. oilersfan says:

    so do nobody else here understand what the make whole $300 million means or does nobody want to bother explaining it?

    Like i asked earlier…if no players are having their salary rolled back or contracts reduced, what is the make whole about? any insight is appreciated as it makes no sense to me.

  105. oilersfan says:

    two things I discovered during the lockout: John Shannon is more connected with league matters than anyone else in the media, and Nick Kypreos isn’t far off from the likes of Bob Mackenzie, Darren Dreger and Pierre Lebrun in terms of his contacts. Kypreos said yesterday at noon there would be a deal within 24 hours.

    Oh, and its obvious why John Maclean got fired from Columbus.

  106. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    Ok! Yes I smoke da green and drink da booze. Lets get that outta the way! Lol Anyhoo, Wade Redden. 2yrs left at 6.5mil. If his hit counts towards the cap were ever he plays (AHL or NHL) and the NYR gotta re-up Del Zotto for say 3.5mil ( a middle guesstimate from their top two D-men) that would leave them with around a mil in cap space for this year. Doable? Sure, but not a lot of flex at the TDL.

    My proposition, see 2nd sentence, is thus: Oil fifth rounder and a throw in (VV as an example) for Redden and maybe a second in the 2014 Draft. Or third if you wanna be conservative.

    NYR gets cap relief and playoff depth and assuming Redden can still play a lil’ (haven’t seen him in years) the Oil get a 3-6 D-man and more magic beans. They could, if the CBA permits, buy him out next summer along with Horcoff. Loose relatively nothing and possibly gain something. I’d be game for this in a shortened season… See 2nd sentence. I know it’s not “WOW”, but could help in a playoff push. Dare to dream, peeps! Thoughts LT?

    PS Love the blog, dude!

  107. godot10 says:

    oilersfan:
    so do nobody else here understand what the make whole $300 million means or does nobody want to bother explaining it?

    Like i asked earlier…if no players are having their salary rolled back or contracts reduced, what is the make whole about? any insight is appreciated as it makes no sense to me.

    I’m sure the text of the CBA will explain the details of the make whole.

    But it is a salary rollback for all existing contracts, and the $300 million set aside will go to paying back some fo that rollback.

    The quoted salaries (a la capgeek) are all funny cap dollars, so none of the rollback or make whole will appear in those nominal dollars. Or so I predict.

    Once the CBA text is out, we will be able to see the algorithm for the rollback and make whole compensation. Because of the $300 million, the net rollback for existing contracts will not be huge.

  108. Captain Happy says:

    godot10: I’m sure the text of the CBA will explain the details of the make whole.

    But it is a salary rollback for all existing contracts, and the $300 million set aside will go to paying back some fo that rollback.

    The quoted salaries (a la capgeek) are all funny cap dollars, so none of the rollback or make whole will appear in those nominal dollars.Or so I predict.

    Once the CBA text is out, we will be able to see the algorithm for the rollback and make whole compensation.Because of the $300 million, the net rollback for existing contracts will not be huge.

    The difference will be handled by escrow.

    The cap hits remain the same.

  109. Gerta Rauss says:

    oilersfan,

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=643572

    Scroll down the portion re:make whole…it’s fascinating reading…:) Granted, that link is from October but it covers the gist of what you asked.

  110. hunter1909 says:

    Kris11,

    I’ll take that, and raise it to 2 in 5 chance they make the playoffs; The reason being:

    Yakupov and Justin Schultz plus Krueger, who either coaches brilliantly or else scares the bejezus out of the team when he wears that old glove.

  111. cabbiesmacker says:

    Kris11:
    I find it strange. Before the lockout, I was a bit sour on the idea of having Hall, RNH, and Yakupov in the lineup. It felt like each player was just a reminder of how awful the Oilers had been for so long, and there was a mix of pity and disgust that threatened my fandom.

    Maybe we never see Yakupov in an Oilers game day jersey? The rumoured “blockbuster” would probably be him + + for a proven F, Centre preferably, or proven shut down D.

    Wonder what Anaheim might give up for Yaks, Gagner, and the 2013 first rounder?

  112. FPB94 says:

    Cabbiesmacker: Better get Getzlaf, Perry ++ for that deal…

  113. Oilertown says:

    FPB94:
    Cabbiesmacker: Better get Getzlaf, Perry ++ for that deal…

    That’s what i would say, better be Getz Perry and Ryan or Fowler.

  114. spoiler says:

    I can’t find any related article, but the TSN>>NHL>>Schedule web page has been filled. Oilers apparently open Jan 16 against the Avs in Colorado.

  115. spoiler says:

    That page can’t be right. There’s still cross-conference games in there. It must be the original schedule with the cancelled games removed.

  116. jp says:

    Sportsnet reporting a 48 game season with all 30 teams starting Jan 19th.

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