TC DAY 4: 1983 FALL

“Sammy Pollock used to say all jobs are open in Montreal but who was he kidding? Nobody was going to take Larry Robinson’s job or Guy Lafleur’s. In our camp I refuse to tell the players that. But I’d love it if somebody took a job away from a returning player. If that happened, that would make our team stronger.” Glen Sather, fall 1983

Glen Sather spent the summer on the phone talking a myriad of deals but he only made one.

For a house. (read entire article here).

  • GOAL: (Andy) Moog is undisputedly No 1, one of the top four or five netminders in the league. He was unflappable most of last year and the playoffs except for one night against the Islanders when he looked like Dr. Stangeglove. Grant Fuhr has some homework to do after a poor report card last year. But he’s showed up in camp in shape; a knife and fork weren’t his biggest enemies this summer. Chris Smith, who had his shoulder repaired after a fine season in Moncton, is knocking on the NHL door.
  • DEFENSE: Second team All-Star Paul Coffey and the NHL’s best plus minus player Charlie Huddy struggled against the Isles; but Coffey will be in the Canada Cup next fall and Huddy is quietly consistent. Randy Gregg, a doctor who hasn’t had to make any housecalls yet in NHL rinks, and Don Jackson were the unsung heroes of the Cup final. Kevin Lowe and Lee Fogolin (who suffered through a strange stomach for two months last year) are better than they showed last season.  Sather tried to sign free agent Paul Baxter, a long time favorite from the WHA, but struck out. With that done, the only job realistically open is as pinch hitter. With Gary Lariviere gone, John Blum has the inside track. The others have ability but are in tough–Steve Smith, who tore up his knee last fall during training camp, needs a year in Moncton. #1 draft picks Jim Playfair and Jeff Beukeboom figure to be back in junior.
  • CENTER: Wayne Gretzky backed out of a guest shot on the quiz show FAMILY FEUD so he’d be at the start of camp. No wonder why. He’s always had the answers here. Ken Linseman is solid as the No 2 pivot but it could be very interesting with Ray Cote, Tom Roulston and Marc Habscheid going for the other two spots. Jury’s still out on Cote, even if he did a superb job in the playoffs. Others to watch? Steve Graves, who was bothered last year by a bad groin and ex-Ranger Pat Conacher.
  • LEFT WING: Mark Messier, who figures to get rich with his next contract (he’s entering his option year) is NHL’s best. Dave Hunter figures to be on a checking line and Dave Semenko will always be around, sometimes playing, sometimes breathing heavy. Jaroslav Pouzar might complicate things if he suddenly finds the range around the net. He struggled mightily in his first North American season. Free agent Reg Kerr, who had a bad back last season, is very versatile and has an outside shot. Finnish Olympian teamer Raimo Summanen will audition but will return home after camp.
  • RIGHT WING: No real openings. Glenn Anderson and Jari Kurri are two of the top half dozen in the NHL at their positions. Pat Hughes tied for the league lead in shorthanded goals and Dave Lumley fills a role as a disturber. What about Willy Lindstrom, who played sick here for part of the time here this spring? He’s a better right winger but might find a spot on the left side, unless Anderson moves over to play with Gretzky and Kurri. Bart Yachimec, who did a big job in Springfield last year until he was hurt, and ex-Red Wing-Capital-Whaler Tom Rowe bear a long look, too.

Jim Matheson has an article up in the EJ about Theo Peckham and his problems at this camp. I have always felt Peckham was a solid prospect and still believe he can have a career. However, at this point the organization may want to send him on his way, on to the “get a second opinion” phase of his career as MacT once said about Brad Winchester. I’ve always cheered for Theo, and will continue to do so, but we’re going to be saying goodbye to a lot of Oilers in the next three seasons and not being ready for this camp may spell the end for him as an Oiler. With Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Musil and others on the way, all of the current Dmen pushing for NHL employment should be trying to make an impression on the new head coach.

Theo Peckham certainly made an impression.

The 23 man list could be:

  1. G Devan Dubnyk
  2. G Nikolai Khabibulin
  3. D Ladislav Smid
  4. D Jeff Petry
  5. D Nick Schultz
  6. D Justin Schultz
  7. D Ryan Whitney
  8. D Mark Fistric
  9. D Corey Potter
  10. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  11. C Sam Gagner
  12. C Shawn Horcoff
  13. C Eric Belanger
  14. L Taylor Hall
  15. L Nail Yakupov
  16. L Ryan Smyth
  17. L Ben Eager
  18. L Darcy Hordichuk
  19. R Ales Hemsky
  20. R Jordan Eberle
  21. R Teemu Hartikainen
  22. R Lennart Petrell
  23. R Magnus Paajarvi

which means Colten Teubert and Chris VandeVelde would go back down. If Peckham doesn’t go on IR, then Paajarvi probably heads to OKC. With the team playing at home against San Antonio tomorrow night, the cuts should be coming sometime today.

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  1. pboy says:

    What Peckham is capable of bringing to the team, is exactly what is needed here. He’s big and strong with a little bit of a mean streak, he’s not afraid to lay the lumber to guys in front of his own net and he’ll stick up for his more skilled teammates. Unfortunately, Theo has shown up for camp 2 seasons in a row without getting himself in shape and he’s close to throwing a career away. I like the guy but I would rather see a kid like Teubert stay up then for the organization to keep enabling Peckham. It might send a strong message to the rest of the team, to see a guy put on waivers for not taking his career seriously.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Peckham never seemed to get the message that the guys all around him are taking fitness very, very seriously. He just seems to laugh it off.

    I imagine K’s reaction is one of “sterling disappointment.”

    His explanation for the ECHL failure made sense… but it’s pretty disheartening to think he could have spent the Fall conditioning himself but for not having thought through the situation very well.

  3. Chunklets says:

    I’d never realized that Tom Rowe went to camp with the Oilers back in them days. He ended up in Moncton that season, and then retired at 28. He’s now over in Yaroslavl, coaching the reconstituted Lokomotiv team and doing a fine job of it too!

  4. commonfan14 says:

    Leafs haven’t traded for Luongo, they dealt Lombardi for magic beans, and now they’re putting Connolly on waivers.

    Nonnis going to the Oiler model?

  5. LMHF#1 says:

    Why did they wind up keeping Fuhr and not Moog anyway? I know about the contract dispute and all that, but Moog was certainly a damn fine goaltender.

  6. blackdog says:

    I like Peckham and all but he’s either a dummy or lazy as hell or both.

    He’s been playing for a shitty team for years that was looking for young D with exactly the qualities he has in his game. The spot and a career was there for the taking and he’s pissed it away.

    Maybe when he gets waived or dealt he’ll wake up.

  7. Romulus Apotheosis says:


    No doubt Moog was great. but things seemed to work out…

    here’s an interesting article (pre-breakup; aside… check out the comments on Fuhr’s conditioning and think of Peckham):

    does anyone have one of the Oil’s thinking on taking Fuhr over Moog?

  8. russ99 says:

    Wouldn’t mind seeing the Oilers trying to sneak Peckham and Potter through waivers during the great league-wide waiver purge on Friday, and maybe add a defenseman too.

    Now that there’s no recall waivers, they could bring either up at any point during the season.

    Does anyone know how Justin Schultz’s nameplate reads on his Oilers jersey this season? I’m thinking about picking up a road jersey, and I wonder if he’s using “Schultz” or “J. Schultz”.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: does anyone have one of the Oil’s thinking on taking Fuhr over Moog?

    I seem to remember they more or less platooned the two with Fuhr being considered the money goalie, which he was. But Moog seemed every bit as good.

    I used to like Moog a lot and wanted them to play him more, but they never did and finally traded him to a team that would(Boston). I don’t even remember where Fuhr was in 1990, as Bill Ranford joined the team and played lights out goal to help win the 1990 cup, because that one for me was all about The Kid Line of Murphy, Gelinas and Graves..

  10. hunter1909 says:

    …and the absolute hammering of the Chicago Blackhawks in the final game of the 1990 semis.

  11. commonfan14 says:

    Plante on waivers…

    We probably should have taken PK Subban.

  12. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: does anyone have one of the Oil’s thinking on taking Fuhr over Moog?

    Some of the discussion of the day is contained right in that link you posted. Fuhr was legtimately in the running for the Smythe in ’84, although his injury in Game 3 vs. the Isles opened up the crease for Moog in the last half of the series. That was the one time the tandem really paid off, for sure, as Moog delivered the goods and, somewhat fittingly, carried the Oil across the finish line for Cup #1.

    But in ’85 Fuhr started the playoffs and reeled off nine wins in a row, and he was on fire. The first series against the Kings the Oil swept, but Fuhr was (rightfully) the first star in all three games, then again in a fourth as the Oil got the jump on the Jets in Round 2. I remember it well, cuz four #1 stars in a row is a damn rare feat, even the Great One didn’t pull that one off very often. Anyway after that the scoring machine got fired up, yet Fuhr was mentioned in the Smythe hunt with Gretzky and Coffey right to the final game. He made a further small claim to fame when he stopped penalty shots in consecutive finals games, Games 4 and 5 as the Oil closed out the Flyers. His rep as a money goalie took a leap forward.

    From then on Fuhr was Sather’s first choice in the postseason, and Grant would take the ball and run with it. He was considered a Smythe “finallist” (for some reason, Smythe voting is never publicized, even as they do exactly that for all the regular season trophies, but hey, it’s the NHL where 1+1 = 3, so go figure.) Anyway, my minority opinion is that Grant should have won it in ’87 (over Hextall).

    That fall Fuhr was Canada’s goalie in the Canada Cup, and that winter Moog was Canada’s goalie in the Olympics, and the die was cast. I don’t think Moog’s holdout was so much over money as over playing time. He wanted — and certainly deserved! — to be a #1. He went on to be a very good one in Boston. In fact, that spring Fuhr and Moog met in the Stanley Cup Finals. It was quite a dramatic and high-profile changing of the guard.

    But at the end of the day Fuhr won. Exhibition games dicounted, he played an astonishing 103 games that 1987-88 season, winning 62 of them including pretty much every game that mattered.

    Fuhr missed the ’90 playoffs due to shoulder woes, so it was Ranford (obtained in the Moog trade) or bust. After that came the cocaine suspension (59 games!), with Fuhr rather improbably coming back and taking the crease in the playoffs, leading Oilers to upsets over the Flames & Kings.

    But that fall Peter Pocklington had an open house for Hall of Famers, so Fuhr found himself on the same plane east with Glenn Anderson, Messier went to new York, Kurri’s rights to LA, and the die really WAS cast.

  13. hunter1909 says:

    Bruce is the fount of Oiler knowledge here on Lowetide.

  14. wheatnoil says:

    Is there a role for Tim Connolly on the Oilers? It would certainly shore up centre depth. Perhaps he could play on the wing with Horcoff and Smyth against tougher opposition and be able to move up the line-up in case of injury to Gagner or RNH (Heavens forbid!).

  15. wheatnoil says:

    I should clarify… I mention Connolly because the Maple Leafs are putting him on waivers and look to be buying him out. He’s not the first line centre the Leafs hoped for but he may be suited for 2nd/3rd line duty on the Oilers

  16. eidy says:

    I would consider Connolly and look to trade belanger to Montreal if possible. They are in need of an experienced centre with gomez leaving. They could use an experienced third line centre penalty killer. He seemed to really light up last year when he was talking to the media

  17. In the Grease says:

    For what it’s worth – and I understand the lean towards beefing up measurements, especially with regards to height but I’ll go with face value for now anyway- the OIlers official site seems to have updated all the players heights and weights, presumably based on the recent medicals/ fitness testing?

    Theo is listed at 6-2″ and 246 lbs… that’s up 11 lbs from previous listings….

    Also, Justin Schultz (when he signed listed at 163 lbs I believe) is at 185, which is in keeping with the OKC listing as well… although he seems to have grown an inch and is now 6-2″?

    The other weight stat line I think is interesting is Gagner at 5-11″, 199 lbs – I know he had mentioned in the past he wanted to bulk up, then the following season talked about carrying too much weight and it affecting his skating/ maneuverability … but it’s a pretty sturdy build if correct.

    Anyway, just interesting to see the updated stats in this area, as there is often so much discussion surrounding player size…..

  18. In the Grease says:

    And I’m still rooting for Peckham – hope he’s able to pull it together quickly and gets a shot at redemption this season, but shocking that he would drop the ball at this point after talking about dedicating himself to fitness and laying off the cheeseburgers last summer….

    Additionally, the Nuge is supposedly up to 185 lbs? Was it Krueger who mentioned the other day about definitely seeing more muscle on his frame?

  19. In the Grease says:

    Tim Conolly is Mr. Glass… pass.

  20. FPB94 says:

    EIDY: That would sound doable.

    They wanted Eller to step up this year, so I guess he’ll play with Plekanec and Gionta. (Or Galchenyuk will),

    If they opt to send Galchenyuk back to Sarnia there will be an opening between Bourque and Armstrong.

  21. wunderbar says:

    Yan Danis’ phone just rang.

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    crap! that was amazing! thanks.

    I was 4 when that article came out so I have no living memory of those events, the context you provide is invaluable.

    I wonder if Gillis has bothered to look at the Moog/Fuhr years in evaluating his current situation?


    Do you really think Montreal shuns their fans the opportunity to gawk at their new shiny toy?

    The Galchenyuk roll out has been pretty extensive and he has been getting very favorable coverage from TSN and other places… looks like they want him to go.

    At any rate, I’d be interested in anyone doing an analysis of a potential Connolly/Belanger trade-off

  23. FPB94 says:

    Romulus: In any case MTL’s not touching Connolly.

    As for Galchenyuk I think they want him to go top 6 or bust. And it’s weird since there’s already enough top 6 C’s. (3 in fact). (They’re also pushing Lars Eller, and he’s a likeable dude).
    (Also Eller, Latendresse, Pacioretty and the gang have all busted out going in too young so It’s about time they learn the lesson) (Even tough they all recovered)

    Personally I think they’re more concerned about winning now then anything. That team who fell down wasn’t THAT bad. Injuries, insanely bad luck played a heavy role.

    I think they’l let him a chance to swim (the ol’ 9 games) and then see what goes after.

    For all I know Galchenyuk could have been the best player out of that draft, and nobody would know because he was injured the whole last year so heh!

  24. jp says:

    Danis recalled:

    Hmmm. Wonder if Khabbi is injured or just sucked it up real bad in camp.

    Maybe they’re going to buy him out now rather than keep him around for the season…

    And I’d think Connolly could potentially be of some interest. Glass or not…

  25. Lucinius says:

    According to TSN Khabbi isn’t feeling 100%, so they recalled Danis just in case, while sending VVD, Tuebert and Fedun down.

    Maybe we should claim one of Calgary’s backups, since both are on waivers?

    If only to fuck with Calgary?

    I actually have no idea how good they are.

  26. HBomb says:

    All you need to know about how good Andy Moog (and the entire Oilers team) was in the mid-80′s is in the above summary.

    Of the 20 man roster for the 1986 All-Star game in Hartford, no fewer than NINE Oilers skaters, including BOTH goaltenders, were named to the roster (coach Glen Sather made it an even ten in Hartford for the festivities). St. Louis and Chicago each had two representatives, and the other seven Campbell Conference teams had one representative each.

    Nowadays, three all-stars from one team seems like a huge achievement. Heck, not since the memorable 2001 season (probably the best Oiler squad from the 1997-06 period other than the Cup finals team in 06), when Doug Weight and Janne Niinimaa were both selected, have the Oilers sent more than one representative. Now don’t get me wrong, the All-Star game is a farce and means very little in of itself, but a player being named one of the 40 or so “best” in the league is no small achievement.

  27. FPB94 says:

    Lucinius: Both subpar. I’d say Danis’ better.

  28. HBomb says:

    Further to the previous, the same double-dip of Oiler goalies happened for the 1985 game in Calgary as well. Only eight Oilers skaters were selected this year – notable by his absence was one Mark Messier. One can only wonder if his non-selection has anything to do for the 10-game suspension he earned that season for (supposedly) nearly decapitating Flames defenseman and second-fiddle-moustache Jamie Macoun. Which begs two questions:

    1) Did the Macoun incident happen before or after the All-Star game that season?
    2) If Messier managed to get 10 games in 1985 for a violent act, wouldn’t that be equivalent to a lifetime ban in the current-day NHL?

  29. Romulus Apotheosis says:


    but isn’t the idea here:

    I would consider Connolly and look to trade belanger to Montreal if possible.They are in need of an experienced centre with gomez leaving.They could use an experienced third line centre penalty killer.He seemed to really light up last year when he was talking to the media

    I.e., a couple of deals. trade Belanger to Mont for ??? and sign Connolly. Mont. wouldn’t have to touch Connolly, unless some three-way deal works.. in which case they would only be a weigh-station anyway.

    as far as Galchenyuk… they are going to have the same push and pull as any top 3 draft pick (elc year burned, development maybe hindered, nhl help now, giving the fans their new toy)


    is this the end of Nik?

  30. FPB94 says:

    Romulus: Right. Yes that would work. But if we do keep Galchenyuk we’re stuffed.


    Maybe he can still push for that 4th line duty spot, but then again White is liked and likeable.

  31. Romulus Apotheosis says:


    I don’t know much about Mont’s lineup… can any of those cats play wing… maybe Galchenyuk?

    it’s also questionable Belanger — even on another team — will suddenly be ready to handle more than 4th line TOI… although Cole and others who have sucked on the Oil have found success immediately after leaving town.

  32. FPB94 says:

    Romulus: Maybe Galchenyuk. But then it would push Eller, Bourque or Armstrong on the 4th line… and that’s meh. I’d like to have him in MTL. I think he’s justh ad a bad year.

  33. raventalon40 says:

    How funny would it be if both Irving and Karlsson got picked up on waivers. Then the Flames would have no backup.

  34. FPB94 says:

    Raven: They’d just pick another one off or give up that pricy 7th rounder…

  35. raventalon40 says:

    Swap Galchenyuk and Plekanec and roll 3 lines

  36. raventalon40 says:

    Raven: They’d just pick another one off or give up that pricy 7th rounder…

    Pretty sure you can’t pick guys up in hindsight, waiver claims have to be in by a certain time.

  37. slopitch says:

    A guy at my current contract just came over as I was reading today’s post. Hes a hockey nut who I often chant hockey with. He had season tickets during the 80s before I can remember hockey. Lucky guy. Anyways we got chatting hockey and when I mentioned Moog and Fuhr and how its been a while since Oilers had 2 quality goaltenders. He was like thats “how our old boss here got a stats job with the Oilers”. I guess he kept track of a ton of Oilers stats and one day ran into Sather and told him “statistically Moog is a way better goalie. Especially on road games. You should start him.” After a couple minutes of chatting, Sather hired him on the spot. His name is Jeff Jewell and he used to be a programmer/stats guy on mainframe systems here in town. He no longer does hockey stats but is a city Councillor now in Mission BC. His bio there mentions his days at the Oilers as a statistician back in the 80s.

    LT if you every get Nation Radio back and running he could be an interesting interview for the stats fans. It would be cool to hear what they kept track of back then.

  38. FPB94 says:

    Raventalon: Maybe. Interesting. If everyone’s a big boy about it that’s 3 sound NHL lines.

  39. DeadmanWaking says:

    Rowe bear. How did he get into the room?

  40. Captain Obvious says:

    Connolly is in the last year of his contract. He’s a good defensive player, costs nothing but money and carries no risk. It’s a no brainer to claim him. The only cost is Belanger’s playing time which is no cost since Belanger is terrible.

  41. leadfarmer says:


    Hey DeadmanWalking, I think the rest of your post got cut off. Only 9 words of it got posted. Please resend the rest.

  42. leadfarmer says:

    I see JDD is on today’s waiver list. Looks like we made the right decision between him and DD.

  43. godot10 says:

    Captain Obvious:
    Connolly is in the last year of his contract.He’s a good defensive player, costs nothing but money and carries no risk. It’s a no brainer to claim him.The only cost is Belanger’s playing time which is no cost since Belanger is terrible.

    Connelly has NEVER been a good defensive player. Ever. Connelly has had a horrible camp in Toronto. I’m pretty sure the Leafs are going to buy him out, because…

    the Leafs are clearing cap room in case Getzlaf and Perry come on the market at the trade deadline.

  44. Bruce McCurdy says:

    HBomb: Did the Macoun incident happen before or after the All-Star game that season?

    The Macoun incident happened on Boxing Day, 1984, so Messier was back in the line-up well before the All-Star game (which was, however, in Calgary!)

    That was an untelevised game but I saw video of the two incidents afterwards. What got the Moose’s goat :) was a first-period run-in where Messier tried to beat Macoun wide and the defender — who was tough & mobile — ran him very hard at top speed into the end boards. It was a very dangerous hit and Messier was understandably pissed.

    According to the summary Macoun got four minutes and Anderson two, with this site confirming it was a coincidental roughing penalty, with Macoun getting the extra two for boarding. Shoulda been 5 and a game, & if it was the stripes would have saved himself some trouble.

    Messier got up and helped out on a powerplay goal Oilers scored while Macoun was in the box. But the next time the two were on the ice together, early in the following period, Messier just went apeshit on Macoun, jumped him and popped him at least one good one, breaking his cheekbone. Definitely worthy of a suspension, but not entirely without cause. Messier got five, Macoun nothing, and Jim Peplinski a game misconduct presumably for being third man in and possibly saving Macoun’s life. Messier stayed in the game and later scored another point, but then league threw the book at him.

    That video did the rounds of the NHL, and that was pretty much the last time anybody ever tried to run Mark Messier. Message delivered.

    Messier also missed a bunch of time with an injury ealier that season, and ended the year with just 54 points in 55 games, very mediocre totals for that team in that era. So his absence from the All-Star game was no big surprise.

  45. leadfarmer says:

    Hey LT do you think the lockout will have any ill effects for the NHL longterm? I personally think that it will only in the areas that are already struggling especially the south teams. The reason I bring that up is here in Minneapolis more than 10 000 people showed up for the intrasquad scrimmage last night, and both home games against the Oilers are almost sold out. Almost seems like the shortened season, has brought more interest than normal. The improved roster may have something to do with it.

  46. Captain Happy says:

    Hey LT do you think the lockout will have any ill effects for the NHL longterm?I personally think that it will only in the areas that are already struggling especially the south teams.The reason I bring that up is here in Minneapolis more than 10 000 people showed up for the intrasquad scrimmage last night, and both home games against the Oilers are almost sold out.Almost seems like the shortened season,has brought more interest than normal.The improved roster may have something to do with it.

    The Wild sold 4,000 new season tickets within a month of the Parise/Suter signings.

  47. FPB94 says:

    Lead: Yeah. Minneapolis just signed two big time stars so…

  48. leadfarmer says:

    Guess so. They are talking Stanley here, which is not going to happen at least not this year. Adding Sutter to the worst defense in the league after the trade deadline is not going to beat LA, Vancouver, or St. Louis. Nevertheless, should be a fun team to watch, for once.

  49. bookje says:


    Hey DeadmanWalking, I think the rest of your post got cut off.Only 9 words of it got posted.Please resend the rest.

    I noticed that as well. I have approximated a corrected version below

    “Rowe bear, how did he get into the room?
    LO, praise of the prowess of people-kings
    of spear-armed Danes, in days long sped,
    we have heard, and what honor the athelings won!
    Oft Scyld the Scefing from squadroned foes,
    from many a tribe, the mead-bench tore,
    awing the earls. Since erst he lay
    friendless, a foundling, fate repaid him:
    for he waxed under welkin, in wealth he throve,
    till before him the folk, both far and near,
    who house by the whale-path, heard his mandate,
    gave him gifts: a good king he!
    To him an heir was afterward born,
    a son in his halls, whom heaven sent
    to favor the folk, feeling their woe
    that erst they had lacked an earl for leader
    so long a while; the Lord endowed him,
    the Wielder of Wonder, with world’s renown.
    Famed was this Beowulf: far flew the boast of him,
    son of Scyld, in the Scandian lands.
    So becomes it a youth to quit him well
    with his father’s friends, by fee and gift,
    that to aid him, aged, in after days,
    come warriors willing, should war draw nigh,
    liegemen loyal: by lauded deeds
    shall an earl have honor in every clan.
    Forth he fared at the fated moment,
    sturdy Scyld to the shelter of God.
    Then they bore him over to ocean’s billow,
    loving clansmen, as late he charged them,
    while wielded words the winsome Scyld,
    the leader beloved who long had ruled….
    In the roadstead rocked a ring-dight vessel,
    ice-flecked, outbound, atheling’s barge:
    there laid they down their darling lord
    on the breast of the boat, the breaker-of-rings,
    by the mast the mighty one. Many a treasure
    fetched from far was freighted with him.
    No ship have I known so nobly dight
    with weapons of war and weeds of battle,
    with breastplate and blade: on his bosom lay
    a heaped hoard that hence should go
    far o’er the flood with him floating away.
    No less these loaded the lordly gifts,
    thanes’ huge treasure, than those had done
    who in former time forth had sent him
    sole on the seas, a suckling child.
    High o’er his head they hoist the standard,
    a gold-wove banner; let billows take him,
    gave him to ocean. Grave were their spirits,
    mournful their mood. No man is able
    to say in sooth, no son of the halls,
    no hero ‘neath heaven, — who harbored that freight!
    Now Beowulf bode in the burg of the Scyldings,
    leader beloved, and long he ruled
    in fame with all folk, since his father had gone
    away from the world, till awoke an heir,
    haughty Healfdene, who held through life,
    sage and sturdy, the Scyldings glad.
    Then, one after one, there woke to him,
    to the chieftain of clansmen, children four:
    Heorogar, then Hrothgar, then Halga brave;
    and I heard that — was —’s queen,
    the Heathoscylfing’s helpmate dear.
    To Hrothgar was given such glory of war,
    such honor of combat, that all his kin
    obeyed him gladly till great grew his band
    of youthful comrades. It came in his mind
    to bid his henchmen a hall uprear,
    a master mead-house, mightier far
    than ever was seen by the sons of earth,
    and within it, then, to old and young
    he would all allot that the Lord had sent him,
    save only the land and the lives of his men.
    Wide, I heard, was the work commanded,
    for many a tribe this mid-earth round,
    to fashion the folkstead. It fell, as he ordered,
    in rapid achievement that ready it stood there,
    of halls the noblest: Heorot he named it
    whose message had might in many a land.
    Not reckless of promise, the rings he dealt,
    treasure at banquet: there towered the hall,
    high, gabled wide, the hot surge waiting
    of furious flame. Nor far was that day
    when father and son-in-law stood in feud
    for warfare and hatred that woke again.
    With envy and anger an evil spirit
    endured the dole in his dark abode,
    that he heard each day the din of revel
    high in the hall: there harps rang out,
    clear song of the singer. He sang who knew
    tales of the early time of man,
    how the Almighty made the earth,
    fairest fields enfolded by water,
    set, triumphant, sun and moon
    for a light to lighten the land-dwellers,
    and braided bright the breast of earth
    with limbs and leaves, made life for all
    of mortal beings that breathe and move.
    So lived the clansmen in cheer and revel
    a winsome life, till one began
    to fashion evils, that field of hell.
    Grendel this monster grim was called,
    march-riever mighty, in moorland living,
    in fen and fastness; fief of the giants
    the hapless wight a while had kept
    since the Creator his exile doomed.

  50. pboy says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I’m sure after Messier beat the shit out of Macoun, the Moose followed the ref to the penalty box screaming at him, asking what he did wrong and why he was getting a penalty. Jesus, I loved watching that guy. Once of the most intense athlete’s I’ve ever seen.

    Great posts today, Bruce.

  51. leadfarmer says:


    Thats better.

  52. Bruce McCurdy says:

    pboy: Great posts today, Bruce.

    Thanks. ’80s Oilers are right in my wheelhouse, I was then at the age that many of the commenters here are now. I had full season tickets from 1977-93, and to say I followed the team closely would be an understatement. So when a question of that era comes up, might as well take a shot at putting it in the context of its day.

    @Bookje (& DMW): Awesome.

  53. DeadmanWaking says:

    Teddy Bear trounces Billy Possum, check it out.

    I’m going to post about willpower someday soon. I’ve already finished the McGonigal book, and I’ve got a few more in the queue.

    Short version, since I have few words today.

    Willpower doesn’t work the way we wish to presume. People who get sucked into the anxious consequence/deterrence mindset rarely succeed with long term objectives.

    Anxiety shuts down the frontal lobe. The frontal lobe is responsible for asserting long-term objectives over short term indulgence (sex, food, food, sex, sex, food, beer, beer, beer, whiskey, gin, punching some puke in the kisser, laying rubber, sleep, sleep, getting undressed, sleep, sex, food). Your basic “thin chicks, wide tires” instinctive programming. Anxiety mainly leads to more of all that. Goal focus requires peace of mind, except in few crazy SOBs with marauder complexes.

    It’s tough as hell for the guys with the job title Marauder In Residence.

    “The undistinguished North American believes he or she makes 15 to 35 decisions about food a day.” (I’ve just inaugurated a personal campaign to replace the abused word “average” with “undistinguished”, since it usually means “averaged over any warm body willing to waste time on our petty research survey”, which is only average if you believe the worst about the human race. My newfound resolve will probably lapse by tomorrow morning.)

    Mindless eating: the food decisions we don’t realise we’re making

    When these were added, it showed the participants made an average of 226 food decisions a day, 59 of which related to what kind of food to eat.

    Brian Wansink is a funny guy. He’s well known for feeding people the world’s most disgusting popcorn (in a movie setting, people eat it anyway) and for the infinite soup bowl (with surgical hose running under the table to a giant vat). Only one chow-hound determined to find the bottom of the bowl actually peeked under the table skirt. And one guy lifted it up to drink it all down (in a public cafeteria setting), having completely baked his spoon arm. When you can’t throw, wrestle.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Yea.. great stuff today.

    On the Messier/Macoun fight… did Messier “sucker punch him from behind” as this site claims:

    your post is more ambiguous:

    “Messier just went apeshit on Macoun, jumped him and popped him at least one good one,”

    Did he square up and cork one, or was it more of a Bertuzzi situation?

    too bad video never made it out.

  55. Captain Happy says:

    @Godot 10

    “The Jovanowski contract the genius in Florida handed out is going to cost him both Garrison and Kulikov.”

    Panthers have just signed Kulikov to a two year deal.

  56. FPB94 says:

    The genius also picked up a lot of guys for Peanuts and made the playoffs for the first time in a DECADE.

  57. art vandelay says:

    I think it would be more to the point to ask whether video evidence exists of Messier squaring off with a guy, face-to-face.
    Great player for about 15 years, yes, but he was a Proto-Cheapshotter.

  58. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    art vandelay:
    I think it would be more to the point to ask whether video evidence exists of Messier squaring off with a guy, face-to-face.
    Great player for about 15 years, yes, but he was a Proto-Cheapshotter.

    he tossed a lot of dirty elbows that’s for sure. I don’t recall seeing a straightforward sucker punch from behind however (though an elbow isn’t any better)…

    but I’ve experienced the 80s Oilers only as a childhood blur and via highlight reels.

  59. Truth says:

    Peckham should be on today’s waivers. He didn’t show up last year ready to play, he tells Gregor that he was in great shape in the off-season (probably around the time I was telling ladies in Vegas I was Sidney Crosby), quits after 2 games in the ECHL in San Fran, and then shows up to camp this season out of shape again.

    I don’t see any way in which keeping him benefits this team. What are the odds he shows up to camp in shape next year?

    It’s funny, you know guys that have all the heart, desire, and commitment to make the show but just barely not enough skill, and then you also know the guys that have all the skill in the world to make it but not enough heart. I only feel for one category of them.

    This one has been coming for a while. Goodbye.

  60. Kris11 says:

    Captain Happy,

    You are DSF, no?

  61. rickithebear says:

    art vandelay: Great player for about 15 years, yes, but he was a Proto-Cheapshotter.

    Role one of agitator dictionary: Give and you shall recieve!
    Running a guy from behind opens every option in the book!
    You must be ready for retribution.
    Would have loved to have seen the look on no one challenges me Macoun.

    I based most of my sports play off the stylings of the 1966-1970 Flin Flon Bombers. who usually had 10 players over 120Min and 7 over 150MIn.
    Amen to man’s Hockey!

  62. DeadmanWaking says:

    A sunny stroll to the local library fetched me Spy the Lie: Three Former CIA Officers Reveal Their Secrets to Uncloaking Deception and Taleb’s Antifragile, which is actually mis-titled, because his personal bully pulpit is “skin in the game”. Taleb deeply believes in the school of consequence and he’s not very kind to anyone else who doesn’t.

    Spy the Lie is recently published. If nothing else, it will add a layer when I finally break down and watch Zero Dark Thirty. I suspect the book amounts to an extended exercise in applying a rubber hammer to the paranoia bone. Well, I guess you can’t judge a book by it’s black hood, so here goes. Ryan Whitney, come on down. You’re the next contestant on The Hood Fits Tight.

    As I was strolling, the “bear” caught me again. Not Taleb’s bear (oh dear about the never-ending Jurassic Park camera angle). No, I mean the village bear. Like the village idiot, only everyone loves the village bear. Only he’s not actually a bear, though he looks like a bear. He’s actually the village bear-food elect. Everyone loves the bear-food elect. Qualifications: unflinching willingness to tread where pointed, large portion, slow eating. Favorite activity: separating a bear from his skin. Least favorite activity: preparing to separate a bear from his skin. Favorite candy: pain killers.

  63. hunter1909 says:

    art vandelay:
    I think it would be more to the point to ask whether video evidence exists of Messier squaring off with a guy, face-to-face.
    Great player for about 15 years, yes, but he was a Proto-Cheapshotter.

    No mate, You’re the cheapshotter here.

    Messier played legally in the era he played in. What’s fucking pathetic about the 21st century is the attempt by the left liberal mindset to revise events to suit the inherent BIAS you all exist in.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    LOL Bruce you seriously need to write a book before you croak – otherwise your incredible storehouse of knowledge is going down with the rest of you.

  65. FPB94 says:


    Wtf was that? I guess Doctors form some kind of liberal conspiracy.

    Real man fight, head to head. They don’t cheapshot like weasels.

  66. DeadmanWaking says:

    Damn. I got “its” wrong and noticed it 5 seconds after my five minutes expired. I call this the W effect. His verbal fluency jumped 30 points when he got warmed up about the death penalty. After “it’s” I’m typing “dark hood”. Blood rush to the blood lust. No can do punctuation marks pending violent thrall.

  67. hunter1909 says:


    CIA fanboy huh? Give me the OSS every time.

    Checking out the real life of Hollywood actor Stirling Hayden might be a cool idea to anyone who wants to see what a real life reads like. The guy walks out of a Hollywood leading man career to run guns into Nazi-held former Yugoslavia via boat!

    Then returns and kicks ass for awhile, without the James Caan real life style guilt trip etc.

  68. Romulus Apotheosis says:


    CIA fanboy huh? Give me the OSS every time.

    Checking out the real life of Hollywood actor Stirling Hayden might be a cool idea toanyone who wants to see what a real life reads like. The guy walks out of a Hollywood leading man career to run guns into Nazi-heldformer Yugoslavia via boat!

    Then returns and kicks ass for awhile, without the James Caan real life style guilt trip etc.

    I can’t endorse this enough!!!

    Sterling Hayden is up there with Teddy Roosevelt for crazy lives lived by manly men.

    His best flics: Asphalt Jungle; The Killing; Dr. Strangelove; The Long Goodbye and of course, The Godfather.

  69. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    This series of interviews is enthralling btw…

    he has a way — in his ‘acting’ and in interviews — of saying “huh/hey” that comes across as a very cutting threat.

  70. Marc says:

    We haven’t really talked about Tambellini’s non-denial of interest in Luongo the other day (see the bottom of so allow me to indulge in some speculation.

    Gillis is in a really interesting position. His team is a favourite for the Cup, but he’ll be without 2 of his top 6 forwards for as much as half of the shortened season, and had the fewest number of players playing during the lockout of any team in the league. A slow start could actually put them at risk of missing the playoffs altogether. He’s at the cap so he can’t add salary, but he’s got a good trade chip in Luongo.

    Vancouver reportedly want a player who can help them now (preferably a 2nd line center), a high end prospect and a pick for Luongo. The teams that are reportedly interested are Toronto, Chicago, Edmonton and Florida. Florida and Chicago don’t match up very well with what Vancouver want – they have some good prospects, but it’s hard to identify any roster players that Vancouver would want that they would be willing to give up. Toronto on the other hand, is cleary the best match for Vancouver’s needs. They could give up Bozak to fill the need at center and have a bunch of young players/prospects that Vancouver would probably be interested in (Gardiner, Reilly, Kadri) plus a bunch of potential backup goalies.

    Toronto reportedly don’t want to give up their best prospects though and that puts Gillis in a really tough spot. When you trade a player who’s one of the 10 best at his position you want to get something back that will be a high quality addition to your team for years to come (think Iginla for Nieuwendyk, rather than what Calgary got for Phaneuf or Florida for Luongo), and if Toronto doesn’t give up one of Gardiner, Reilly or maybe Kadri then the return for Luongo will look pretty bad in two or three years. Bozak will be gone at the end of this season because he’s UFA and Vancouver can’t afford to give him a raise. Biggs or Colborn or Frattin might be players, but they look like third liners at best and might turn out to be fourth liners. And if Toronto don’t give up a first round pick (and I doubt they do), the pick will have less than a 1 in 4 chance of playing 200 games in the NHL. A third/fourth liner, a marginal prospect and maybe a backup goalie doesn’t seem like a great long term return for a top ten goalie, even one with a problematic contract.

    That’s where Edmonton comes in. I suspect Tambellini offered Gagner, one of the Oilers’ second tier prospects (Musil, Pitlick, Teubert etc) and a pick for Luongo and left the offer open. If Toronto caves on Gardiner, Reilly or Kadri, then their offer is hands down better than what the Oilers are offering. But if Toronto holds the line on their prospects, then it’s much closer race. Gagner would be as good or better than Bozak as a 2nd line center this season, and will be an RFA at the end of it, so he offers the possiblilty of longer term value for Vancouver. And should he make the leap to 60+ point a season forward (the way the Sedins did at about his age) the return for Luongo starts looking pretty good.

    I doubt Tambellini gets in a bidding war for Toronto – he can’t win if the big five are untouchable, and he’s got a reasonable alternative in Dubnyk in any event. But I bet he thinks oportunity to turn a player that the Oilers really aren’t sure is part of the future into a veteran top ten goalie that he knows well is too good to pass up.

    That’s my speculation anyways.

  71. Lowetide says:

    I’d bet Gagner is the asking price for Luongo and I wouldn’t entertain it.

  72. Kris11 says:


    A lot of that seems like some reasonable, plausible guess-work. TO doesn’t have what VAN wants. and what VAN should want is not what TO should want to give up for most anything, e.g. Rielly, Gardiner, the 1st. TO knows they need to add youth while clearing cap space for UFA’s. Getting rid of youth is a costly move.

    I’ll add a couple of things:

    1. I’d imagine Gillis knows that TO’s goaltending is likely to falter and the pressure in TO to get a goalie will be sky high not long after the season starts. (TO can’t bring itself to rebuild even for a half season, genetically.) Gillis would be smart to hold on for a few weeks to see how much he can extract from TO or whoever.

    2. I’m not sure Van really needs another forward to make the playoffs (by which time Kesler will be likely good to go at full jerk-speed). So again, no need to rush the deal.

    3. Florida does have a lot of youth to sell, and cap space, and a need to win now, and a history with Luongo. I’d bet they grab Luongo, and at a fairly steep price. (I bet the battle is Gillis using Florida and TOagainst each other in a bidding war, but nobody is bidding enough, with the Oilers on the sidelines as a possibility.)

    4. The Oilers would need to figure out what to do with Dubnyk. He’s unproven and a reasonably high cap hit, so he wouldn’t bring much in return. He’d probably be a give away to TO, which isn’t all had for TO.

    5. I contemplated a three way deal involving TO, VAN. and EDM, but it gets too complicated to happen.

  73. jake70 says:

    I’d bet Gagner is the asking price for Luongo and I wouldn’t entertain it.

    I am not a huge Gagner fan, like him but not super fan…..and ^ times 5

  74. Bad Seed says:

    I look at Luongo having negative value with that long, expensive contract. I can’t see the list of bidding teams being very long because of it & especially with the cap going down next year. So we’re going to have possibly 5 players making 6M within 3 years & we want to take that contract on for a guy who’s on the downslope? I just don’t get all this talk about Luongo.

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