A DEVELOPING STORY

Defensemen take time to develop into useful players and often the best ones emerge as quality players on their second or even third organization. How frustrating it must have been for Toronto to watch Jason Smith as an Oiler, after giving up on him just before the lights went on. Defensemen can look exposed one night and brilliant the next, spend a weekend in the penalty box in December and look brilliant in a January recall.

Martin Marincin looked like one million dollars early in this OKC season. Why? First, he was playing alongside the brilliant Justin Schultz and secondly he was hitting the jailbreak button in a very timely fashion. In the first two months of the season, Marincin looked like he was a little too good for the AHL:

  • October: 7, 2-2-4 +5
  • November: 11, 1-6-7 +7
  • Total: 18, 3-8-11 +12

In December, Marincin’s sorties began to cost goals against and coach Todd Nelson moved him down the depth chart after some struggles during that month:

  • December: 10, 0-2-2 -4

Nelson spoke about Marincin during this time:

  • Nelson: One thing about Marty, he is an interesting guy. He logs a lot of ice for us for a first year guy. I know a lot of people are excited about him, but he is playing with probably the best player in the league in Justin Schultz. We’ve got to keep things in perspective here. Marty has a long ways to go. He’s still, I think, a couple of years away. He has to mature physically as a man. You mentioned about the language skills; I think that’s important when as a coach you try to communicate with your players sometimes things get lost in translation. We have to learn from that as a coaching staff and we have to really slow things down and make sure Marty understands. He makes some fantastic plays out there, and then other times he’ll have brain cramps. That happens when you’re a young defenceman. Marty, everybody’s excited about him, but once again we have to be very patient with him because he has a long way to go as well.

During January, Marincin has been playing third pairing (often with Nathan Deck) and the numbers have improved:

  • January 11, 1-1-2 +3

And that suggests he is finding the range for his current level of ability. Marincin’s season should be viewed as a positive overall, not just for the boxcars (39, 4-11-15 +11 has him second in scoring among active Barons) but also in terms of good health and development. The Oilers have some nice blue under 25 in the NHL, but the one thing we know about defensemen is you can never have enough of them.

Marincin’s spot on the depth chart (probably 10th, behind the 8 NHLers plus Fedun and Teubert) means he may get a cup of coffee this season in the show, but his NHL debut is more likely to happen in 2013-14. He’ll be one of the blue (along with Fedun, Teubert, Brandon Davidson, possibly Alex Plante) expected to join with newcomers like Oscar Klefbom, Martin Gernat, David Musil and Kyle Bigos to form the nucleus of the Barons defense.

It’s been a difficult transition for Marincin, but with the acknowledgement that the early success was followed by times of trial, he seems to have settled in over the last month or so as a pro defender. The words of coach Nelson are the words of wisdown here: excited about Marincin, patience is the key.

(Marincin photo courtesy Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved).

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48 Responses to "A DEVELOPING STORY"

  1. BlacqueJacque says:

    Huh. Nelson implies that Schultz is better than Hall, Eberle or Nuge.

    Not actually too hard to see things that way, and even as an Eberle fan, it doesn’t particularly upset me.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Interesting. They’ve just posted the pairings for tonight’s game and Marincin is on the #1 pair with Clark.

  3. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “You mentioned about the language skills; I think that’s important when as a coach you try to communicate with your players sometimes things get lost in translation. We have to learn from that as a coaching staff and we have to really slow things down and make sure Marty understands.”

    Do teams invest in language training/education?

    They have nutritionists and I’m sure they have “media” training and so forth now… just wondering if they make the non-english players sit for an hour here and there and work on english?

  4. blackdog says:

    I’m confused. He looked like a sure thing in November but after December he was being used as an example of why Stu MacGregor should be fired because nobody outside of the guys in the NHL is any good.

    So what you are saying is that propsects take time to develop and that sometimes they don’t develop in a straight line and that patience might be a reasonable idea when looking at prospects.

    You’re a crazy man.

    *drinks*

  5. Lowetide says:

    blackdog:
    I’m confused. He looked like a sure thing in November but after December he was being used as an example of why Stu MacGregor should be fired because nobody outside of the guys in the NHL is any good.

    So what you are saying is that propsects take time to develop and that sometimes they don’t develop in a straight line and that patience might be a reasonable idea when looking at prospects.

    You’re a crazy man.

    *drinks*

    lol. I’m looking forward to the day when Oiler defensemen arrive with 150 AHL games on the resume. That’s when we’ll know they’re a good team.

  6. fifthcartel says:

    Looks like Hovinen is in net. I’m very interested to see how he plays.

  7. blackdog says:

    Yeah LT I agree although I would bet that Oscar gets thrown to the wolves immediately if he looks even halfway ready. But yes Marancin, Gernat and so on should all get their ABs in in the AHL.

  8. jfry says:

    Are we carrying three goalies in the ahl now? Why? Shouldn’t Roy get some games?

  9. Lowetide says:

    He looks good so far, not a lot of testing. He shot the puck around the boards and it went quite a ways. (I’m so good at scouting reports). :-)

  10. Lowetide says:

    jfry:
    Are we carrying three goalies in the ahl now?Why? Shouldn’t Roy get some games?

    Roy played last night, was solid to very good. Danis just got in today, Bunz is back in Stockton. I expect they’ll have Danis back in the NHL after a game or two once Khabibulin has to stretch a few times.

  11. sliderule says:

    Klefbom was the best defenceman at development camp but Marcinin was not that far behind him.

    The Oil have been sending mixed signals about Marcinin.That could mean a lot of things but I heard the Habs were interested in him.

    100 mph slapshot ,6ft5inchs. To me he is the most interesting prospect in Ok city.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Cornet 3 (Cheechoo) 1-1 tie

  13. Lowetide says:

    Rieder has a goal tonight for Kitchener (OHL)

  14. Lucinius says:

    Marincin is my favourite d-prospect. He’s got a lot of rough edges in his game, but there’s a lot of potential there. Really hoping the Oilers keep him and properly develop him.

  15. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    blackdog: WHICH DUBIE YOU BE?

    They were making noise about giving him the NHL push THIS YEAR before he got injured IIFC…

    great player (maybe); terrible development path

  16. Lowetide says:

    Arcobello (Cheechoo, Cornet)

  17. Lowetide says:

    Cheechoo (Clark, Arcobello)

  18. Lowetide says:

    McCarron with a goal tonight for cornell

  19. Lowetide says:

    Cheechoo (Arcobello)
    Rajala (Arcobello, Marincin)

    And the earlier goal by Cheechoo has been changed to Cornet.

    Another goal now, VandeVelde (Pelss, Hotham)

    Jim Byers thinks that might get changed to Pelss. Holy hell, the goals are coming

  20. Lowetide says:

    Laleggia has a goal tonight, Dillon Simpson and Jujhar Khair have assists.

  21. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Interesting. They’ve just posted the pairings for tonight’s game and Marincin is on the #1 pair with Clark.

    Well, you certainly seem to have your finger on the pulse.

    BlacqueJacque:
    Huh.Nelson implies that Schultz is better than Hall, Eberle or Nuge.

    Not actually too hard to see things that way, and even as an Eberle fan, it doesn’t particularly upset me.

    Well, 3 points back of Eberle in scoring from a rookie D. That’s something!

    I’ve been really impressed with how good he’s been defensively with the Oilers. He makes a few ugly mistakes and is certainly not perfect, but he’s been very effective at both ends of the ice.

    PS – Nice to see Davidson back in the lineup tonight.

  22. Lowetide says:

    Arcobello (Cornet, Cheechoo)

    Cheechoo has 5 points tonight, tying the previous record held by Linus Omark and Jordan Eberle.

  23. sliderule says:

    I got laughed at when I said Arcobello looked like he could play center for Oilers.

    I still feel that he could.Maybe not with present team makeup but I would have called him up before Lander.

  24. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Arcobello (Cornet, Cheechoo)

    Cheechoo has 5 points tonight, tying the previous record held by Linus Omark and Jordan Eberle.

    it would be pretty weird/awesome if somehow he righted the ship and ended up back in the nhl in oiler silks… regardless, good for him, good for us!

    also… how’s your sensory system going? seems you may be following one too many games :)

  25. Lowetide says:

    Rom: lol. I’ve got every electronic device available aimed at some game. Will watch Hawks-Canucks after this one (Barons).

  26. sliderule says:

    It’s just one game but Paajarvi 0-0 -1.

    Not a great response to demotion.

  27. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide:
    Rom: lol. I’ve got every electronic device available aimed at some game. Will watch Hawks-Canucks after this one (Barons).

    1-0 Canucks.

    Kassian with a beauty pass to Edler.

  28. striatic says:

    is there any situation in which Cheechoo gets called up?

  29. Oilertown says:

    Captain Happy: 1-0 Canucks.

    Kassian with a beauty pass to Edler.

    Still wondering when Kass is gonna fall back to earth. He is a better player then I thought he would be but not as good as he is playing right now IMHO.

  30. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    striatic:
    is there ANY situation in which Cheechoo gets called up?

    They’d have to sign a different contract I think and there is probably a waiver issue… but yea… he could explode and the oil could hit some injuries… I mean all of O’Marra, Green and Cornet played last year at some point so…

  31. striatic says:

    Oilertown,

    he’s playing with the Sedins.

    he will fall to earth once he is not.

    he wouldn’t be the first player to follow that trajectory.

  32. Oilertown says:

    striatic:
    Oilertown,

    he’s playing with the Sedins.

    he will fall to earth once he is not.

    he wouldn’t be the first player to follow that trajectory.

    Ya that was kinda my thoughts too. Kinda like Semenko playing with Gretz but not quite lol.

  33. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: They’d have to sign a different contract I think and there is probably a waiver issue… but yea… he could explode and the oil could hit some injuries… I mean all of O’Marra, Green and Cornet played last year at some point so…

    It’s really just paperwork. He’s signed to an OKC contract, so the Oilers must purchase that contract from the Barons and then he’d have to (I believe) clear waivers. But it isn’t difficult, unless he’s merely on a PTO.

  34. jp says:

    striatic:
    Oilertown,

    he’s playing with the Sedins.

    he will fall to earth once he is not.

    he wouldn’t be the first player to follow that trajectory.

    Well, he’s actually outscoring Henrik, and now tied with Daniel. Maybe Kesler is the one driving the bus, but it could also be his 33% shooting percentage.

    He has been good though.

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    striatic:
    Oilertown,

    he’s playing with the Sedins.

    he will fall to earth once he is not.

    he wouldn’t be the first player to follow that trajectory.

    Even if he stays there, he is going to fall down to earth. but there is a player in there to be molded.

    side bar… who have the Sedins played with in international competition? and who did they play with during the last lock out… and has a Nuck GM ever tried to court whoever they were?

    It’s always struck me as odd that two point machines always seem to be stuck in an odd 3rd wheel social situation — at least from a meta pov.

  36. Oilertown says:

    jp: Well, he’s actually outscoring Henrik, and now tied with Daniel. Maybe Kesler is the one driving the bus, but it could also be his 33% shooting percentage.

    He has been good though.

    Wow 33% well he will fall and fall hard at that.

  37. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide,

    oddball question… has an NHL team ever tried to buy out a player from another league who is not in their system and has a team ever refused this transaction?

  38. hockeyguy10 says:

    sliderule:
    I got laughed at when I said Arcobellolookedlike he could play center for Oilers.

    I still feel that he could.Maybe not with present team makeup but I would have called him up before Lander.

    I heard Eberle in a radio interview back in December. Gord Stellick asked him who else he thought could play in the NHL that was in OKC. Eberle said Arcobello could. That Arcobello reminded him of RNH.

  39. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Lowetide,

    oddball question… has an NHL team ever tried to buy out a player from another league who is not in their system and has a team ever refused this transaction?

    Do you mean buy out or purchase? If you mean purchase, there’s a long history of it. Back in the days before (and after) the 1967 expansion, independent AHL teams would sell or trade their free agent players to NHL teams. Edi Giacomin, a hall of famer, was part of such a deal for the Rangers, John Ferguson and Ted Harris of the Habs would have been similar transactions and Johnny Bower to Toronto would have happened that way. NHL teams would pursue the sale or trade via the minor league team and then talk to the player after a transfer had been agreed to. These trades would mostly involve players to the team, and a new and better contract for the player.

    The European situation was much different, I’ve seen some evidence of Vaclav Nedomansky receiving permission from the Czechoslovakian government to shop his services to the NHL in the late 1960′s.

    toronto payed the Swedish ice hockey federation a sum of money for the rights to Borje Salming and Inge Hammarstrom, I don’t know if that money went to the club team that developed them. Thommie Bergman, who arrived with the Red Wings one year before the Toronto two would have had a similar arrangement.

  40. Captain Happy says:

    striatic:
    Oilertown,

    he’s playing with the Sedins.

    he will fall to earth once he is not.

    he wouldn’t be the first player to follow that trajectory.

    Why would he stop playing with the Sedins?

    That’s the role Gillis acquired him for.

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide,

    I must have meant purchase.

    Thanks for the primer on inter-league purchases.

    I think what had me stumbling was the situation of a guy in a system, but not really, like Cheechoo… who is only loosely (at best) tied to the Oilers, since he is on an OKC only contract… but nevertheless tied to a specific NHL team in some way.

    I guess I had a scenario in mind where some other NHL would look to purchase Cheechoo from OKC, but OKC objected on behalf of the Oilers, even though Cheechoo isn’t in the system as such…

    at any rate, it all got me in a muddle.

    ps. I gather when this is in house, OKC gives the Oil a discount?

  42. Oilertown says:

    Captain Happy: Why would he stop playing with the Sedins?

    That’s the role Gillis acquired him for.

    I thought he was acquired to be a third line grinder that chips in a little offense at any rate no where do I recall Gillis saying he would be playing with the Sedins. Where’s Burrows isn’t that his spot??

  43. bookjLe says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    As I understand it, guys on AHL contracts are usually given the freedom to sign NHL contracts. However, I think they could legally prevent it, but its kind of like not letting guys leave for NHL head coaching jobs while under contract in the AHL, it never happens.

    Cheechoo is only under a tryout contract with OKC which is very easy to break I think.

  44. Marc says:

    It’s worth remembering that in his third season after being drafted Petry had an awful year. He was on a bad Michigan State team and scored 10 fewer points than his freshman season and went from +3 to -31. He bounced back his junior year but his numbers were still only a bit better than his freshman year.

    If you go by his numbers alone he seemed to be running in place and I certainly remember some commenters on here questioning whether he actually had any prospects at the NHL level. The Oilers didn’t seem concerned about his development though – I don’t remember any rumblings in the press or hearing his name come up in trade rumours. And now he’s a top pairing Dman.

    The Oilers top pairing was developed internally and each took 5-6 years to turn into a useful NHL player. This is not an organisation that has a track record of giving up on prospects too soon, at least not over the last decade. I suspect that Marincin, Gernat and Klefbom will be given plenty of time to develop.

  45. Lowetide says:

    The last time the Oilers did this was Charles Linglet

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2010/03/oilers-sign-linglet.html

  46. dessert1111 says:

    Lowetide: It’s really just paperwork. He’s signed to an OKC contract, so the Oilers must purchase that contract from the Barons and then he’d have to (I believe) clear waivers. But it isn’t difficult, unless he’s merely on a PTO.

    I thought he was on a PTO?

    Agree with the poster above re: Arcobello, but Lander had a decent game so so far so good.

  47. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Oilertown,

    both actually seem to be true… Kassian was picked to be a kind of free range guy — not unlike Ryan Jones — who they could place up and down the lines. But they definitely saw him on the first line at least some of the time — that spot has had a lot of rotation over the years…

    and the Sedins apparently asked him to work out with them over the lockout…

    but they also requested Hansen on the PP…

    at any rate, I think the situation is pretty fluid over there.

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