CANUCKS AT OILERS, G9 (12-13) 4.2.13

The first time Edmonton and Vancouver played each other, the power in the division belonged to Chicago. The “Smythe” division predictions for 1979-80 had the Blackhawks #1, followed by three very young clubs in this order: Vancouver, St. Louis and Edmonton. Winnipeg had been crushed in the expansion draft and the Colorado Rockies weren’t expected to score goals under new coach Don Cherry (but they did lead the league in trades).

The first game between Edmonton and Vancouver was played Sunday, October 14, 1979 in Edmonton’s Northlands Colisuem. It was a 4-4 tie.

oilers canucks oc 79

I bet Risto Siltanen drilled the end boards with slapshots 11 times that night. This is a nice boxscore because it includes Allan Hamilton, Gretzky, Messier, Dave Dryden and of course Stan Weir. Nice.

smid4

We’re beginning to get some insight into how Ralph Krueger is using his defense. With a rookie in Justin Schultz, a veteran with issues in Ryan Whitney and a top pairing that is -3 (each) after 8 games, there’s room for improvement.

QUALITY OF COMPETITION

d qualcomp

They all look pretty closely clustered, especially the top 4D as listed here. I’m not certain there’s a lot of information we can gain yet via this graphic (anyone?) save for the TOI/60 at 5×5 is pretty damn close. RK seems to be rolling, rolling, rolling based on time-on-ice and this qual comp graph after 8 games.

ZONE START

d zone start

This gives us some confirmation of what the F zone starts showed us: Krueger is more interested in getting his best players into offensive situations than any matchup advantage he might gain. All of the pairings you’d expect to get a zone start push (any pairing with J Schultz) gets it, and then the veteran pairings take the rest. Great idea, I just wish Krueger had 6 healthy men.

CORSI REL

d corsi rel

This looks like a decent match for the F Corsi Rel if the Nuge line and the Schultz party of two lined up a lot of the time

f corsi rel

Good match, right? In a thread below (the Martindale one) Woodguy posted a link that showed the top 2 D pairings playing most of their 5×5 time with the Nuge line. Conclusion: Ralph’s a wizard. And the top pairing of Smid and Petry should be doing better, correct?

dubnyk

Dubnyk is having a nice start to the season but I’m not certain we should expect a major correction anytime soon, at least at even-strength.

  • 11-12SP EV: .927
  • 12-13SP EV: .922
  • 11-12SP PK: .854
  • 12-13SP PK: .926

So at evens, Dubnyk’s current level of play is less than what we saw one year ago. His penalty-killing SP ranks 5th among goalies who have played 3 or more games so far this season–that total may have some correcting to do.

The Oilers have to get this roster situation straightened away. Currently, the 23 man roster looks like this:

  1. G Devan Dubnyk
  2. G Nikolai Khabibulin (has not played)
  3. D Ladislav Smid
  4. D Jeff Petry
  5. D Nick Schultz
  6. D Justin Schultz
  7. D Ryan Whitney
  8. D Corey Potter
  9. D Mark Fistric
  10. D Theo Peckham (has not played)
  11. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  12. C Sam Gagner
  13. C Shawn Horcoff
  14. C Anton Lander
  15. L Taylor Hall
  16. L Nail Yakupov
  17. L Ryan Smyth
  18. L Teemu Hartikainen
  19. L Darcy Hordichuk
  20. R Ales Hemsky
  21. R Jordan Eberle
  22. R Lennart Petrell
  23. R Magnus Paajarvi

IR: C Eric Belanger, L Ben Eager, D Andy Sutton, R Ryan Jones

Khabibulin will play soon, but the Peckham situation is galling. I understand the need to protect depth and Peckham shouldn’t be shuffled for nothing. However, the club should either IR Ryan Whitney or risk waivers on Peckham or Potter. That extra roster spot, combined with Hordichuk being on the roster at all, make it difficult for the coach to make moves that give the hockey club their best chance to win.

And, as a fan, that’s frustrating.

turnbull, ashby, weir

I think management of the current team could learn a thing or two from the 1979-80 crew, who had some veteran savvy up the middle.

With Belanger out, we have to assume Horcoff the warrior is back in. The lineup might look like this tonight:

  • RNH-Hall-Eberle
  • Gagner-Yakupov-Hemsky
  • Horcoff-Smyth-Petrell
  • Lander-Hartikainen-Paajarvi
  • Smid-Petry
  • Schultz-Schultz
  • Fistric-Potter
  • Dubnyk with NK backup
  • HS: Whitney, Peckham, Hordichuk

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  1. yawto says:

    Did I miss something. Why should Whitney be on the IR?

  2. Bar_Qu says:

    That’s a lot of playing time for PRV you have there. 2nd & 4th lines. Wow.

    Good idea to scratch Yak. ;-)

  3. 48 percent body fat says:

    did i miss something? where is yak? We cant score goals so we cut the guy who does? and he isnt listed as a healthy scratch.

  4. slopitch says:

    I would think Peckham and a 4th should be able to get us a useful defender between now and the deadline but ya its frustrating. Probably even more so for RK. If they can add another top 4 D, I think the playoffs are attainable though and I think a team thats moving a player like this would want to roll the dice on Peckham. He is good on PK, tough and has 150 games experience.

    These teams are actually pretty evenly matched with Kesler out. I hope they start Schneider but either guy is gonna play well. Top end goalies with competition means either or will show up with a chip on his shoulder.

  5. russ99 says:

    We’re paying now for Tambellini’s status quo non-moves on the bottom six this summer.

    I wonder if they have feelers out for another center? We’re one more injury in a tightened schedule from having a real problem at the position.

  6. BrazilianOil says:

    if the oilers need a D, a 3 line forward and a backup goalie, do you think Whitney, Hordi, Eager etc. Can bring us these pieces? Or we really need to give some better pieces?

    We alredy send away our 3 pick. One of our 2 pick bring us a good piece?

  7. BrazilianOil says:

    off topic after read the jonathan willis post about betman’s 3 point.

    iMO: 3 points regulation win, 2 points OT and SO win, 1 point OT and SO lose, 0 points regulation lose.

    Seems fair to me.

  8. Woodguy says:

    Lander-Hartikainen-Paajarvi

    Hossana! Hossana to the highest!!

    A line of young men trying to make the NHL are bound to play hard and determined to stay.

    A fourth line that is an energy line because they will work their ass off every shift is a thing of beauty.

    Its not quite Gelinas-Graves-Murphy (especially at C), but its close enough.

    Also having players on the 4th who can sub in on the top 6 in a pinch due to injury/benching makes the line up much, much more flexible for the coach.

    Yay!

    Also,

    Good match, right? In a thread below (the Martindale one) Woodguy posted a link that showed the top 2 D pairings playing most of their 5×5 time with the Nuge line. Conclusion: Ralph’s a wizard. And the top pairing of Smid and Petry should be doing better, correct?

    Smid and Petry are definitely not holding up their end, but by eye I think they are trending up.

    When you look at the teammates by Forward, it shows a different picture.

    The extra TOI that the gifted line gets skews things when you look at it via Dmen.

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_on_ice_stats.php?ds=8&f1=2012_s&f2=5v5&f4=C+LW+RW&f5=EDM&c=0+1+3+5+8+7+9+11+13+15+17

    Shultz2 with the gifted line, 5-2 with 64-89-83 and 6 being first among D for the bottom 2 lines.

    RK is rolling out the pairs as best he can, the results have been uneven.

    They key to this team winning is the 64-89-83-5-2 set out chancing the opposition.

    It started out very, very poorly, but is getting better.

    The gifted line needs to shoot a little more. They are generating a 7.5 ONSH% which is damn close to NHL average. Shoot more. I’d like to think that as a group they could average 9% ish as well. (last year they were way above the average, but too high to expect as a long term average)

    Also,

    The Oilers usually have a poor game when its the first back from a road trip.

    I hope that doesn’t happen tonight and the enthusiasm of the Nordic line bubbles up through the line up.

    VAN is coming off 2 full days off after beating CHI at home.

    This won’t be easy.

    Go Oilers!!

    *clap,clap*

  9. Woodguy says:

    , but the Peckham situation is galling. I understand the need to protect depth and Peckham shouldn’t be shuffled for nothing. However, the club should either IR Ryan Whitney or risk waivers on Peckham or Potter.

    With even the notoriously placid EDM MSM starting to question Whitney’s effectiveness, I think its just a matter of time before he is “rested” for a night or two.

    Perhaps they are giving Theo one last kick at the cat. He was great on the PK last year (poor at most everything else)

    Strange.

    I’d like to see what a Potter-Fistric pairing looks like.

    Neither would have to think about constantly covering for Whitney’s mobility issues and maybe the waters get calmer?

    Passing would degrade, but its probably worth it.

  10. jp says:

    BrazilianOil:
    off topic after readthe jonathan willis post about betman’s 3 point.

    iMO: 3 points regulation win, 2 points OT and SO win, 1 point OT and SO lose, 0 points regulation lose.

    Seems fair to me.

    Seems obvious doesn’t it? However, that’s not how things work apparently.

    BrazilianOil:
    if the oilers need a D, a 3 line forward and a backup goalie, do you think Whitney, Hordi, Eager etc. Can bring us these pieces? Or we really need to give some better pieces?

    We alredy send away our 3 pick.One of our 2 pick bring us a good piece?

    No, they’re not going to bring the pieces the Oilers need. Whitney might fetch another 3rd pairing D. Eager could probably be moved for something, but he’s a 4th liner with concussion problems and off ice issues. He won’t bring anything more than another 4th liner or a draft pick. Hordichuk probably couldn’t be offloaded even for a pick. Prospects, picks or other roster players are going to be needed to fill those holes. You can’t offload a sub-par 3rd pairing defenseman, an injured 4th liner and a guy who’s played a total of 6 minutes this season for an improved D, a 3rd line forward and a useful backup goalie. Too bad, but I don’t think we can expect much back for those guys.

  11. BrazilianOil says:

    jp,
    exactly, so to make an upgrade to this rooster ST needs to send away at least somebody of our today,s 4 line, and this 4 line should be our 3 line, a good 3 line in a few years, growing togheter with our gifted kids.

    Is not so easy improve the rooster without hurt the future.

  12. russ99 says:

    BrazilianOil,

    Agree, other than the “Nordic line” becoming our new third line. None of those guys are to the level of the third lines of a Chicago, Detroit, San Jose, LA, Vancouver, etc.

    Which is why I think we need to fix those spots in FA, especially since we’ve hit a bit of a wall prospect-wise on offense. Can’t really see any of our current forward prospects pushing into a top 6 NHL role in the next season and a half, so if you do trade a Gagner or Hemsky, there’s nobody of real quality to replace them other than who you’d get back in a deal, which I’d assume would be a top 4 defenseman.

    Good, experienced third line options are pretty much always plentiful in FA, and I wouldn’t waste an NHL player or a decent prospect acquiring them during the season.

    We’ll have to be patient and see what happens in the summer when Khabibulin, Whitney, Jones, Hordichuk, Petrell, Sutton and maybe FIstric and a bought out Horcoff are off the books.

  13. Woodguy says:

    jp,

    Seems obvious doesn’t it? However, that’s not how things work apparently.

    Every time I hear senior people at the NHL, NBA, MLB talk, they want to “make more games meaningful” The NFL doesn’t have this problem with the short season, but did want to expand the regular season and shorten the pre-season.

    More meaningful games means better attendance and better TV numbers.

    The Bettman point keeps teams looking like they are close to a playoff spot, when in reality a 5 point deficit with 10 games to play is actually the Grand Canyon.

    It creates the illusion of meaningful games, and therefore is not going way any time soon.

  14. DBO says:

    So at what point do we discuss whether this team is a real playoff team? Because if they are, wouldn’t make more sense to call up our AHL vets then the kids? Playoff teams have veterans in depth roles, nit kids/ Since we have so many kids in our top 6, it seems to make more sense to have older more seasoned players on our bottom 2 lines. Especially f those vets bring something we need.

    I hope we consider bringing up Cheechoo and Clark. Cheechoo is still physical, and the last few years has been almost a point a game AHL player. In a 4th line depth role he will never hurt us, brings a physical edge and who knows if he recaptures some magic. Clark on D is a better option then Potter. Just as much offense and a steadier presence. I would sooner see our kids play bigger minutes in the minors for the rest of the year and have our two AHL vets come up and play that depth role in order to give us a better shot at winning. I have been an advocate for the Nordic Express line (yes I just made that up, and I like it), but not sure if we are a playoff team if that line plays a lot of minutes.

  15. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “HS: Whitney, Peckham, Hordichuk”

    Is there any “official” hint from the team that they might actually HS Whitney?

  16. Halfwise says:

    Beauty of a boxscore. Little #8 was my favorite d-man at the time, with a loose cannon for a shot and a distinctive Euro skating style.

    As to the roster, waive Hordichuk and free up the spot for CVV. No risk of losing a valuable asset, CVV is no Belanger but can help with the PK.

    Peckham’s selfishness is costing his team. Imagine racking up minus after minus without even being on the ice.

  17. LMHF#1 says:

    We’re due to score about 8 goals, so this could be a fun one tonight. Putting a beat down on Vancouver and Dallas would make for a really nice week.

  18. pboy says:

    Tonight’s the night that RNH breaks out. He ripped the Canucks in his first game against them last year and I’m hoping he does it again tonight. 2 goals and 2 assists for #93.

  19. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    LMHF#1:
    We’re due to score about 8 goals, so this could be a fun one tonight. Putting a beat down on Vancouver and Dallas would make for a really nice week.

    no kidding… 4 goals is still the highwater mark (once), but mostly we’ve been kept from the offensive burst we are all expecting.

    As the refs start to put the whistles away it’s going to get tougher.

    I have a sick feeling we are in for a little losing streak here.

  20. jfry says:

    Last year when we were talking about what needed to be different about this team in order to make the playoffs, we all agreed that potter would be a number seven at best, but most likely on the farm. Now we have him playing consistently and above Whitney.

    I’ll reiterate that discussion in short — potter in the top six is a non playoff team.

    I’m a little shocked how much vitriol Whitney is getting. He’s no old Whitney, but our issues seem to scoring at 5 on 5 and that was never really his thing. He seems like a smart enough guy that he’ll learn how to adjust to his new mobility issues…regardless, we’re carrying an awful lot of marginal players making it tough to coach, no doubt. The barons would have addressed this by now!!!

  21. "Steve Smith" says:

    jfry:
    Last year when we were talking about what needed to be different about this team in order to make the playoffs, we all agreed that potter would be a number seven at best, but most likely on the farm. Now we have him playingconsistently and above Whitney.

    I’ll reiterate that discussion in short — potter in the top six is a non playoff team.

    You’ll get no disagreement from me on that. The problem is that the same is true of Whitney, and arguably Fistric (although I think I might take the “nay” side of that argument).

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    not a football fan… but this article has some tangential resonances for the adv. stats. hockey peeps:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112300/football-sabermetrics-how-stats-could-transform-nfl#

  23. "Steve Smith" says:

    (I will also add that neither defenceman is bad enough to automatically prevent a team from making the playoffs – I’m sure plenty of teams have made the playoffs with defencemen that bad in the top six – but that neither is what might be termed “playoff-calibre”.)

  24. raventalon40 says:

    LMHF#1:
    We’re due to score about 8 goals, so this could be a fun one tonight. Putting a beat down on Vancouver and Dallas would make for a really nice week.

    Not if they play the way they did against Colorado in the 2nd and third periods.

    I’d set the bar at “winning consistently” before I set the bar at “8 goals.”

    There’s tons of potential on the roster but ton’s to accomplish on the to-do list as well.

  25. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    raventalon40: Not if they play the way they did against Colorado in the 2nd and third periods.

    I’d set the bar at “winning consistently” before I set the bar at “8 goals.”

    There’s tons of potential on the roster but ton’s to accomplish on the to-do list as well.

    I think you’ve got your order of difficulty inverted there… (if I read you correctly)

    It is much harder to win consistently than to score 8 goals… we showed that last year.

  26. raventalon40 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I think you’ve got your order of difficulty inverted there… (if I read you correctly)

    It is much harder to win consistently than to score 8 goals… we showed that last year.

    If that was true then we’d score 8 goals more consistently than we won.

    Plus, we haven’t played Chicago yet.

  27. "Steve Smith" says:

    raventalon40,

    Your reasoning would be correct if Romulus had said that it was easier to score eight goals consistently than to win consistently, but he didn’t; he just said it was easier to score eight goals than to win consistently. Last year, the Oilers scored eight goals, but they did not win consistently, so last year provides some evidence that it’s easier to score eight goals than to win consistently.

    It’s a wonder that I have any friends at all, really.

  28. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Woodguy,

    Fewer points enhance the illusion so I think you’re right they’ll never embrace the 3 pt system.

    So I’d give out even fewer points than they do today. How about 2 pts for a regulation win or 10 minute overtime win, 1 pt for a shootout win, and 0 pts for a shootout loss? 1-2 pts a night instead of 2-3 pts a night gives even more illusion of tight races.

    Unlike the current system this would also penalize teams that play for a tie and reward teams that play for a win.

  29. BrazilianOil says:

    nobody on waivers is better than hordichuk ? Is possible to get a good 4 liner in exchange for hordi and a 7 round pick?

  30. Rebilled says:

    Oilers 8-7 or some other type of 1 goal game.

  31. raventalon40 says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    raventalon40,

    Your reasoning would be correct if Romulus had said that it was easier to score eight goals consistently than to win consistently, but he didn’t; he just said it was easier to score eight goals than to win consistently.Last year, the Oilers scored eight goals, but they did not win consistently, so last year provides some evidence that it’s easier to score eight goals than to win consistently.

    It’s a wonder that I have any friends at all, really.

    Good point.

  32. BrazilianOil says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴, in a system with 3 points regulation win, the ilusion can be you ar far away from play off spot but the reality is if you re far away 4 points, 2 reg. Wins against 2 OV lose you match the spot. In the actaul system you are two points behind.

  33. "Steve Smith" says:

    raventalon40: Good point.

    I assume you’re referring to my last sentence.

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    raventalon40,

    what he said.

    but back to RT40′s original point, I hope we all agree that it is way more important to win consistently than to score 8 goals in a game, regardless of which is more difficult.

  35. fuzzy muppet says:

    Whitney’s a healthy scratch according to Rishaug. Looks like the coach is seeing what we are

  36. DeadmanWaking says:

    BrazilianOil: off topic after read the jonathan willis post about betman’s 3 point.

    Off topic like a lightning rod itch where the sun doesn’t shine.

    Woodguy: The Bettman point keeps teams looking like they are close to a playoff spot, when in reality a 5 point deficit with 10 games to play is actually the Grand Canyon.

    We both say this every time, but still, a man can dream.

    How about each SO loss adding two points to the PTS column used to determine draft order (DPTS)? The late season Evil Knievel soft-landing illusion is preserved, while on the coach’s long-term clipboard, this exposes “clogging up the middle” as the mediocrity of quiet desperation it really is. Maybe also award a single DSP (draft stinker point) in the DPTS column for losing in OT.

    The main problem with this proposal is that the sports-mirroring-taxlaw weirdness of maintaining a second PTS column to dictate draft order would bring additional scrutiny to bear from casual fans on the existing loser point itch, and Bettman surely doesn’t want that.

    One proctal parasitic epicycle: the dullards don’t notice. Two epicycles (with one to correct the worst abuses of the other, while still allowing Bettman to extract his cake and lick his finger), even the dullards go “WFT?” Where backside bandits are concerned, one’s company, two’s a coonspin conniption.

    Last night we’re viewing Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and the DVD begins by presenting the MacroVision Quality Protection moment. Amazing how shimmering trumpets of consumer calm can obscure the sharp snap of the long glove. Right when your hemorrhoid cream is working well enough to enjoy the moment, they rub it in your face.

    I’d rather die a cold and lonely death on a obscure crag of Mount Hyperbole than ride the luge track down into the broad valley of Entertainment to a welcoming fanfare of shimmering trumpets. Consider it a flu shot on not giving a damn.

    Ann Black: Everybody makes their own fun. If you don’t make it yourself, it isn’t fun. It’s entertainment.

    This is from a weird little movie State and Main. Ann Black is played by Rebecca Pidgeon who is David Mamet’s wife IRL. Pidgeon is a strange duck. She can be extremely effective in one scene, then in the next shot you wonder if Mork is going to burst through her facial prosthetic any moment now.

    Mamet is both writer and director on this production, so first the gets to tell Rebecca what to say, and then from behind the camera he gets to tell her how to say it.

    For a few months I’ve been borrowing library books for my squeeze to read. In my present mode, it’s hardly any bother to shake a second tree. As a result of this development we don’t talk much any more. She’s an inveterate page turner. I’m left to communicate in broad strokes through the titles I select. One day she’s going to look up from her book and snap at me “I did not say that!” and then she’ll resume her reading.

  37. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    BrazilianOil,

    I understand that. In fact a 3 pt system would be be better than the Bettman pt system for a hot team to make up ground on trap teams. But giving 1 pt to the shootout winner only goes even further to favoring offense while keeping the owners happy about close pt counts.

  38. raventalon40 says:

    “Steve Smith”: I assume you’re referring to my last sentence.

    No!

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    “Steve Smith”,

    raventalon40,

    what he said.

    but back to RT40′s original point, I hope we all agree that it is way more important to win consistently than to score 8 goals in a game, regardless of which is more difficult.

    Definitely. I’d rather see 7 one goal wins out of a 10 game stretch, for example, than a single 8 goal blowout against Chicago. Honestly!

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    raventalon40,

    amen!

  40. hunter1909 says:

    At least no one’s panicking.

  41. russ99 says:

    I applaud Krueger’s sitting of Whitney tonight, and judging by Whitney’s comments: message received.

    Even if everyone has accepted that he’s physically hampered, his play of late has been subpar.

    There’s been a major difference over Renney last year so far.

  42. Woodguy says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    I’d rather die a cold and lonely death on a obscure crag of Mount Hyperbole than ride the luge track down into the broad valley of Entertainment to a welcoming fanfare of shimmering trumpets. Consider it a flu shot on not giving a damn.

    Agreed sir, and your prose is fine as usual.

  43. bookjLe says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    raventalon40,

    Your reasoning would be correct if Romulus had said that it was easier to score eight goals consistently than to win consistently, but he didn’t; he just said it was easier to score eight goals than to win consistently.Last year, the Oilers scored eight goals, but they did not win consistently, so last year provides some evidence that it’s easier to score eight goals than to win consistently.

    It’s a wonder that I have any friends at all, really.

    Last year, 22 teams won more games than they lost, but only 14 teams scored 8 or more goals in a game, thus proving once and for all that scoring 8 goals in a game is more difficult than winning consistently and explaining why Steve Smith actually does have some friends, but I do not.

  44. Woodguy says:

    russ99:
    I applaud Krueger’s sitting of Whitney tonight, and judging by Whitney’s comments: message received.

    Even if everyone has accepted that he’s physically hampered, his play of late has been subpar.

    There’s been a major difference over Renney last year so far.

    The Oilers icing the best team from the roster is something I haven’t seen since the 90′s.

    RK’s decisions are really making me a big fan of his. From personnel to deployment, I like what I see.

    fuzzy muppet:
    Whitney’s a healthy scratch according to Rishaug.Looks like the coach is seeing what we are

    I guess they do see what we are seeing.

    Maybe the “you guys are unfairly targeting Whitney” crowd will attack the coach and not us now.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    bookjLe,

    maybe it depends on what one means by “consistently” more than you seem to assume.

    Is consistently just a matter of simple majority? i.e., If heads wins 51 out of 100, has it won consistently?

    Is consistently a serial matter? i.e., does consistently imply more than simply alternating wins with loses plus the odd extra win (enough to make up 50% plus 1)?

  46. B S says:

    The Oilers really needed to win on Saturday (thankfully I didn’t see the game, but an anemic Colorado team qualifies as the closest thing to an “easy win” as there is in the Western Conference right now). If they can’t win there it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the season. Next batch of games are all going to be hard. Detroit will be the easiest this week (When’s the last time anyone wrote that).

    Doesn’t matter how well they play tonight the Oil will be in tough against the Canucks tonight. Don’t know what the score will be but seeing as how Henderson is on the ice again I foresee a penalty ratio of 9 Edmonton, 6 Vancouver (and possibly a riot after the second “instigating with a visor” penalty of the night). Officials are O’Halloran, Morton for Refs and Henderson, Greg Devorski for Linesmen.

  47. goldenchild says:

    Interesting to see Whitney scratched. Im not sure that there is a lot of seperation between Whitney, Fistric and Potter but under Quinn and Renney I dont think Whitney would of ever been the odd man out. From that stand point its progress and if Coach K just rides the hot guys in that 5/6 spot thats fine by me. Wish there was similar options up front for the 11/12 spots that didnt include Hordichuck or Eager.

  48. Matt.N says:

    Interesting tidbit from BTN

    Edmonton has the worst 5vs5 team shooting %
    %5.3

    The average is %8.1.

  49. bookjLe says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    bookjLe,

    maybe it depends on what one means by “consistently” more than you seem to assume.

    Is consistently just a matter of simple majority? i.e., If heads wins 51 out of 100, has it won consistently?

    Is consistently a serial matter? i.e., does consistently imply more than simply alternating wins with loses plus the odd extra win (enough to make up 50% plus 1)?

    My definition of consistently is as follows “a sea or stretch of water containing many islands”. However, my definition of an 8-goal game is “a thin, flat cake of batter, usually fried and turned in a pan” so, I think I remain correct and thus, I have no friends.

  50. bookjLe says:

    Woodguy:

    RK’s decisions are really making me a big fan of his.From personnel to deployment, I like what I see.

    Ralph Krueger makes Tom Renney look like Pat Quinn.

  51. BlacqueJacque says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug

    Whitney says he’s not happy, but respects coaches decision. Ralph told him he’s not playing good enough.

    Krueger notices and officially acknowledges what fans have been seeing the whole time.

    Maybe we can get Visnovsky out of Long Island?

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    so… an archipelago and a crepe?

  53. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BlacqueJacque: Krueger notices and officially acknowledges what fans have been seeing the whole time.

    Maybe we can get Visnovsky out of Long Island?

    and here I thought he was staying in Russia…

    http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/2/4/3951264/lubomir-visnovsky-new-york-islanders

    looks like he wants out regardless… maybe there’s a chance afterall!

  54. BlacqueJacque says:

    On another note, I’m starting to worry about the Flames.

    In this shortened season, they’re in real danger of falling out of the running for the traditional 9th place finish and could potentially draft first overall. Sure, you say, they’ve only played 6 games – 3 less than the Caps who are 1 point ahead – but they’ve won one game with all that time off. What happens when the glue factory bait in Cowtown has to play back-2-backs or 3 in 4?

  55. leadfarmer says:

    B S,

    Yes, because there is nothing easier than playing 3 games in less than 4 days on a road trip with a shortened bench, and having to play the last game at high altitude. Team was tired and they played like it.

  56. jp says:

    goldenchild:
    Interesting to see Whitney scratched.Im not sure that there is a lot of seperation between Whitney, Fistric and Potter but under Quinn and Renney I dont think Whitney would of ever been the odd man out. From that stand point its progress and if Coach K just rides the hot guys in that 5/6 spot thats fine by me.Wish there was similar optionsup frontfor the 11/12 spots that didnt include Hordichuck or Eager.

    Criticize Whitney’s attitude (from last season), remove letter from jersey, withhold positive reinforcement, send to press box. Sounds like Whitney’s sideburns have gotten a little too long. Not that I disagree with any of it. Unfortunately I don’t think a shave will help.

    Wonder if we’ll see Peckham’s debut tonight? The thought of a Peckham-Fistric 3rd pairing scares me. Might scare opposing teams too, but for different reasons.

    Romulus Apotheosis: and here I thought he was staying in Russia…

    http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/2/4/3951264/lubomir-visnovsky-new-york-islanders

    looks like he wants out regardless… maybe there’s a chance afterall!

    That would be spectacular. Or at least very good.

    They seem like just the kind of clusterfuck organization who could even be interested in Whitney and/or Peckham. You never know.

    Also, all this time I thought Thomas Hickey and Joe Finlay were draft busts. Apparently I was wrong. They just need Cam Barker now too.

  57. Rocknrolla says:

    Mike Rupp gets traded to the Wild. That’s the type of big body who would have looked good in oiler silks….they just got tougher to play against.

  58. B S says:

    leadfarmer,
    Against a team that played an almost identical schedule missing 2/3rds of their best line and finished 11th in the west last season, yes I think a playoff calibre team should have won there. and considering they were away for over a week, I don’t think the “altitude” card is a big enough difference here. Everyone’s in the same boat in a shortened season and while I think Ralph is trying to manage ice time looking to the entire 48 game stretch, opponents where the Oilers have legitimate advantage on paper are rare in the West. Those are the games that playoff calibre teams win.

  59. leadfarmer says:

    B S,

    So you’re saying San Jose is at the same elevation as Denver? I have a suggestion, go run a 5k in Edmonton and then go run a 5k in Denver, you will notice that it is significantly harder. There is a reason that high endurance athletes train there.

  60. leadfarmer says:

    B S,

    The whole process is called acclimation so even though they might have played a similar schedule one team is acclimated to the elevation and the other is not.

  61. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookjLe: Last year, 22 teams won more games than they lost, but only 14 teams scored 8 or more goals in a game, thus proving once and for all that scoring 8 goals in a game is more difficult than winning consistently and explaining why Steve Smith actually does have some friends, but I do not.

    I don’t think “some” and “friends” means what you think they do.

  62. cabbiesmacker says:

    leadfarmer:
    B S,

    I have a suggestion, go run a 5k in Edmonton and then go run a 5k in Denver, you will notice that it is significantly harder.

    Well this certainly clears things up as to why the Flames kick us in the goolies when we’re down in Calgary but only dominate us in Edmonton.

  63. godot10 says:

    Hartikainen and Paajarvi have nothing to learn in the minors. For the last 60 AHL games or so, including the playoffs, they and anyone who has been playing centre between them have been kicking butt down there.

    Vandevelde had 6 goals…6 goals in the AHL playoffs, playing between them. (Hartikainen and Paajarvi were dominant against a Marlies defense in the playoffs that included Gardiner, Fraser, and Holzinger or whatever his name was. If not for Scrivens being outstanding…)

    Next year, neither will be able to clear waivers. So it is really important the Oilers find out what they can do this year.

    So you know whether you have to sign free agents next summer.

  64. Ducey says:

    godot10,

    Re: MPS – I don’t think .50 pp/g and -8 in the AHL this year proves he “has nothing to learn in the minors”. Keeping him in the minors this season playing 20 minutes a night against other teams best players sounds like a good plan to me. He has a lot to learn about offense and all young players can learn more about defense.

  65. godot10 says:

    Ducey:
    godot10,

    Re: MPS – I don’t think .50 pp/g and -8 in the AHL this year proves he “has nothing to learn in the minors”. Keeping him in the minors this season playing 20 minutes a night against other teams best players sounds like a good plan to me.He has a lot to learn about offense and all young players can learn more about defense.

    Nah…it is basically decision time on both Paajarvi and Hartikainen. You have to see what they can do at the NHL level, They destroyed the AHL level in the playoffs last year. They will not be waiver eligibile next year, they both need new contracts, and one has to know whether you trade them in the summer, and bring in free agents.

    A succesful organization has to make timely decisions. The Oilers have to know what bottom six roles they have to fill this summer via trade or free agency.

  66. B S says:

    leadfarmer,

    This is the term you’re looking for: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/acclimatization. As a biologist, I know about acclimation and acclimatization (truth be told I was going tease you about the difference until it took me forever to even find this: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_acclimatization_and_acclimation), and I’ve done plenty of hiking in the mountains but I don’t think that it’s a good enough excuse, or a sizeable factor at his point in the season because:

    Other hockey teams win in Colorado (though they usually have a decent home record), and they don’t have the elevation we have in Edmonton (668 m (2,192 ft), 1,100 m in Calgary for Cabbiesmacker).
    and the Avs have only been home for maybe 10 days this season (including training camp), meaning their bodies haven’t adjusted to the elevation changes either. And finally, acclimatization takes days to come into effect, but the Avs only got back on Friday before the game.

  67. crude says:

    B S,

    I’m with you, if I can chime in, but I have to wonder, maybe a hangover is worse than anticipated when in Denver? It seemed to me, every player you could imagine being drinking buddies was not so good that night, while hemsky had a standout game. Who knows…

  68. VOR says:

    Whitney has been on the ice for seven negative events for the Oilers – 1 PPG against (San Jose – Game 2). With him on the ice were Smid, MPS and Gagner. He has been on the ice for 6 even strength goals. 1 of those even strength goals came while he was on the ice with Belanger, Potter, Petrell and MPS. The same name shows up on all the other 5 even strength goals – Nail Yakupov. Gagner and Hemsky have each been on the ice for 4 of Whitney’s negaitve events. Eberle and Hopkins have been on for 1. Whitney’s most common linemates at forward have been Gagner, Hemsky, and Yakupov. Those four guys, regardless of the opposition or the other poor soul stuck on the deck of the Titanic with them have been brutal.

    It doesn’t seem to be any of the their faults specifically, it is the combination. Whitney has played over 60 minutes without the terrible three and given up exactly 1 even strength goal. Similarly Gagner, Hemsky, and Yakupov look great without Whitney. Yet who does the genius Krueger keep putting together, the foul four. What is that doing the same thing over and over again and hoping to get a different outcome is the definition of again?

    Meanwhile Whitney has been on the ice for 7 positive events – 1 even strength goal and 6 power play goals. Who was on the ice with Whitney for these events – you guessed it. For five of the six power play goals it is Hemsky, Gagner, and Yakupov. For the one and only even strength goal it was Hemsky, Gagner and Yakupov. Hall, Eberle, Hopkins, and Schultz were on for the other power play goal.

    So Ralph has benched his top powerplay quarterback (check the statistics) who has been breaking even over all. That should help the defence – but so would playing Whitney and not allowing him anywhere near Gagner, Hemsky, and particularly Yakupov unless the Oilers are on the power play. On the other hand I don’t see how benching Whitney is going to help the power play at all.

    That is just the facts, Woodguy. No degree of spin changes the fact that those four guys have been terrible together (and that is sugar coating it). But who chooses to but them together? I wasn’t aware the players were allowed to make these decisions themselves.

    So the coach is punishing a player for the coach’s mistakes. Wouldn’t it be better for the coach to stop making the same stupid decision over and over? I get what Ralph is saying – “Ryan I need you to produce enough offence to make up for the fact I want you to play with 3 guys with whom you are horribly mismatched. Then I have given you a bad zone start and not tried to get you an easier match up. But dude your offence at even strength sucks and that has to change.”

    By the way, I said in my first defense of Whitney that I thought he was struggling on offence but that you were all focussed on his defense. I stand by that. Whitney does have to play better on offence at even strength, particularly head manning the puck out of his own end. He has given up 1 goal at evens in over an hour without Gagner, Hemsky, and Yakupov (which is a stunningly low number) but he has produced no goals for without them at even strength. He just isn’t getting it done at EVs on offence which is the strength of his game. I also stand by the fact that he is still net zero and thus has had no net effect on the Oilers at all.

  69. voxwah says:

    One good thing for the Oilers is that I’m pretty sure that Nuges 0% shooting percentage is unsustainable. A couple of those shots go in and it could easily have been a point or 2 in the standings.

    It’s not like all his shots have been random wrist shots from the point. He’s missed some great chances that he would normally score on. When the hockey gods correct the % he’ll be due for a bunch of goals.

    5-3 Oilers tonight. Ebs with 2 goals.

  70. hunter1909 says:

    Funny about Whitney, because he goes wild in every way possible other than playing actual hockey.

  71. denny33 says:

    I am shock there are defenders of Ryan Whitney’s play….scary.

    As I mentioned before here, Ryan’s play this year has garned attention from around the league. He has been an ‘adventure’ in his own end since game 1.

    For Ralph Kruger suporters ( Iam undecided on him ) , this move should have been made 3 games ago. As I have pointed out, Ryan has been not just bad in in his own end , but Embarassing.

    So bad, that two games ago, I actually felt for Ryan personally….like watching Sheldon Souray skate at the World Championships a few years ago. That bad..

  72. Captain Happy says:

    godot10: Nah…it is basically decision time on both Paajarvi and Hartikainen.You have to see what they can do at the NHL level, They destroyed the AHL level in the playoffs last year.They will not be waiver eligibile next year, they both need new contracts, and one has to know whether you trade them in the summer, and bring in free agents.

    A succesful organization has to make timely decisions.The Oilers have to know what bottom six roles they have to fill this summer via trade or free agency.

    Paajarvi and Hartikainen didn’t destroy anything in last year’s Calder Cup playoffs.

    Paajarvi finished 16th in playoff scoring (11points) while Hartikainen was 37th (8 points).

    Those point totals were, of course, bolstered by the overall team performance with the Barons playing 14 playoff games.

    Just for context, Matt Frattin of the Marlies scored 10 goals and 13 points in only 13 GP so, if anyone destroyed the AHL playoffs, it was likely him.

  73. sliderule says:

    The oilers have taken more penalties than opposition in every game.

    If they take the same number or less against Canucks they will win.

    the Canucks have a good defense and goaltender but they have one line.One line!!

    Keep them off PP and guaranteed win.

  74. delooper says:

    Sliderule: and now for Teddy Peckman!

  75. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,
    Woodguy – good call..

    At least Potter and Fistric will make guys in their own end pay a price….

    Whitney skates like an enforcer and hits like a European…

  76. Jesse says:

    Can someone please do me the courtesy of explaining how the draft lottery works in the new CBA?

    From what i understand, they changed the rules so that teams can’t purposefully tank in hopes of getting a better draft pick; all 14 teams that haven’t made the playoffs have a chance at drafting 1st overall. The part where I’m confused is whether or not all 14 teams have an EQUAL chance at drafting 1st overall? I thought that they did in this new CBA.

    Can anyone shed some light on this?

  77. "Steve Smith" says:

    denny33: For Ralph Kruger suporters ( Iam undecided on him ) , this move should have been made 3 games ago.

    That would be more true if we had somebody better than Potter to replace him with…it’s not like we have an embarrassment of riches on D. I’m satisfied that Fistric should be playing every game, though, based on the lineup we do have.

  78. godot10 says:

    denny33:

    For Ralph Kruger suporters ( Iam undecided on him ) , this move should have been made 3 games ago. As I have pointed out, Ryan has been not just bad in in his own end , but Embarassing.

    You’re undecided on the guy who convinced Justin Schultz to come to Edmonton?

    Ralphie got a lot of running room from me for that.

  79. bookjLe says:

    Jesse,

    I think the lottery is exactly the same with the exception that teams can move more than 5 spots. Before if the 10 worst ranked team won the lottery, they moved to 5th while the worst team kept 1st overall. It makes little difference as the tanking team still picks 1st or 2nd regardless of the outcome. I think the bottom 14 positions should be totally random.

  80. Lowetide says:

    The public nature of the comments today tell me:

    1. Whitney is in the palatial “Sheldon Souray room” of the good ship Oiler.

    He’s about to do the Lido Shuffle

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zcSJU80dLU

    bet they’ve been pissed since the surgery.

  81. Bar_Qu says:

    bookjLe,

    I still like the idea of awarding first draft overall to the team which earns the most points AFTER it has been eliminated from playoff contention. A second point race besides playoff seeding and another incentive to go to the 3pt win system.

    Are we really worrying about the bottom pairing D? Hmm. I don’t know that it will make or break the game or the season, but I do like a good debate. Please continue.

  82. BlacqueJacque says:

    bookjLeI think the bottom 14 positions should be totally random.

    Yes, now that we have our three first overalls (in three consecutive drafts), the draft order should be random :P

    The Oilers, starting from around late 2009, did a marvelous tank job. They even tanked to the #2 draft spot to get Murray or Reinhart rather than Yak, but fate got in the way.

  83. Rocknrolla says:

    Jesse:
    Can someone please do me the courtesy of explaining how the draft lottery works in the new CBA?

    From what i understand, they changed the rules so that teams can’t purposefully tank in hopes of getting a better draft pick; all 14 teams that haven’t made the playoffs have a chance at drafting 1st overall. The part where I’m confused is whether or not all 14 teams have an EQUAL chance at drafting 1st overall? I thought that they did in this new CBA.

    Can anyone shed some light on this?

    Jesse,

    My understanding is that the percentages are the same, (here from 2012 http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11410 ) , but worst has the most balls in the hat, followed by a mathematical lower percentage going down to the 41th worst.

    The change is that before, you could only move up 4 spots, like when NJ won the lottery, they only moved up 4, not enough to get to #1.

    With the new plan, if you win the lottery, you get the fist pick. No more limit of 4 moves. So that would mean we would have picked 2nd in 2011.

    Lottery winners here. http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=626581

  84. 48 percent body fat says:

    Did anyone see scott cullen player rankings? Gagner was not on the list but ryan whitney was? Only J Schultz was ranked higher for an oilers dman.

  85. Lowetide says:

    8m Jim Matheson Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty

    Belanger two broken toes after erik johnson drilled him in denver

  86. spoiler says:

    Just a minor heads up:

    The Habs, that bastion of hockey theft, is airing the first episode of their “Oil Change” tonight at 6 for those who are into that sort of thing.

    They’re calling it the Sam Pollock Glower Hour.*

    *well this was the working title, but they ended up going language neutral: 24CH.

  87. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    8m Jim Matheson Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty

    Belanger two broken toes after erik johnson drilled him in denver

    He should never have taken that skate off…

    Guess we’d better hope for good things from the H(e)LP line.

  88. Jesse says:

    bookjLe,

    Thanks. I guess part of me was hoping that the Oilers would be the last team to rebuild the way they did.

  89. jp says:

    48 percent body fat:
    Did anyone see scott cullen player rankings?Gagner was not on the list but ryan whitney was?Only J Schultz was ranked higher for an oilers dman.

    That is extremely weird.

    The list is here: http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/scott_cullen/?id=294742

    His description of how it was generated is:
    * – minimum 4 games (NHL), 3 for goaltenders
    Player rankings are based on statistical production and are intended to value the impact a player has on the game.

    He links to his blog to kinda explain what “based on statistical production means”: http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/scott_cullen/?id=294742
    All he really says is:
    “The individual player ratings are generated using a weighted formula that includes the following statistics:

    Goals per game, Assists per game, Plus-Minus, Power Play Goals, Shorthanded Goals, Game Winning Goals, Shots on Goal, Blocked Shots, Hits, Giveaways, Takeaways and Faceoffs.

    Goaltenders are measured using goals against average, save percentage, won-loss differential and shutouts.

    As more and more statistics have become readily available over the years, and continue to evolve, the ratings have been tweaked to reflect new and additional information.”

    No specifics, and nothing there to explain how Whitney is in the top 100 in the league. Maybe he forgot the – in Whitney’s +/-?

    That, or some of the “new and additional information” sees Whitney very kindly.

  90. B S says:

    spoiler,

    Why CH ? is it Club de Hockey now?

  91. spoiler says:

    B S:
    spoiler,

    Why CH ? is it Club de Hockey now?

    Same as on their jerseys: Canadiens Hockey, IIRC.

  92. B S says:

    crude:
    B S,

    I’m with you, if I can chime in, but I have to wonder, maybe a hangover is worse than anticipated when in Denver? It seemed to me, every player you could imagine being drinking buddies was not so good that night, while hemsky had a standout game. Who knows…

    If that’s the case, how was Gagner’s game on Saturday? from what I’ve heard he doesn’t drink much, a real fitness freak.

    Bar_Qu:
    bookjLe,

    I still like the idea of awarding first draft overall to the team which earns the most points AFTER it has been eliminated from playoff contention. A second point race besides playoff seeding and another incentive to go to the 3pt win system.

    Are we really worrying about the bottom pairing D? Hmm. I don’t know that it will make or break the game or the season, but I do like a good debate. Please continue.

    I think that’s a great idea, but the actual point of the worst team getting top draft was to provide bad teams with an opportunity to improve so that they couldn’t stay bad forever (hope, they were selling hope, as you should easily recognize as an Oilers fan) that way even a terrible team would eventually get better, ensuring no-one was stuck as a perennial also-ran #cough#Islanders#endcough#

  93. B S says:

    spoiler,

    That’s HC, for Hockey Club.

  94. Captain Happy says:

    Club du Hockey

  95. B S says:

    Captain Happy,

    Thanks for the correction, I’m not good at francosizing my english.

  96. hunter1909 says:

    B S: I’m not good at francosizing my english.

    This is the effect from spending decades, and untold millions on the Official Canadian Government bilingualism crusade.

  97. jake70 says:

    From Wiki:

    Logo
    One of sport’s oldest and most recognizable logos, the classic ‘C’ and ‘H’ of the Montreal Canadiens was first used together in the 1917–18 season, when the club changed its name to “Club de hockey Canadien” from Club athlétique Canadien,[23] before evolving to its current form in 1952–53. The “H” stands for “hockey”, not “Habs” or “Habitants”, a popular misconception. According to NHL.com, the first man to refer to the team as “the Habs” was American Tex Rickard, owner of the Madison Square Garden, in 1924. Rickard apparently told a reporter that the “H” on the Canadiens’ sweaters was for “Habitants.”

  98. hunter1909 says:

    jake70: he classic ‘C’ and ‘H’ of the Montreal Canadiens was first used together in the 1917–18 season, when the club changed its name to “Club de hockey Canadien” from Club athlétique Canadien,[23] before evolving to its current form in 1952–53. The “H” stands for “hockey”, not “Habs” or “Habitants”, a popular misconception.

    I thought the CH was simply the French spelling of “Canadiens”…as in how the fuck am I supposed to understand a foreign bloody language when it’s not even spoken in my house, aside from cereal boxes?

  99. "Steve Smith" says:

    hunter1909: I thought the CH was simply the French spelling of “Canadiens”…as in how the fuck am I supposed to understand a foreign bloody language when it’s not even spoken in my house, aside from cereal boxes?

    Well, you could learn it, you drunken bigot.

  100. hunter1909 says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    LOL and there I was, with all that French DNA inside me, being called names.

  101. Lowetide says:

    NOW we’re cooking. I think the Oilers lose tonight, 4-3 with goals from the Nuge, the Hemmer and the Paajarvi.

  102. jake70 says:

    I always thought it was Habitants Canadiens until I looked it up on Wiki. Anyone remember the old Habitant soup brand out of Montreal (looks like Campbells owns the brand now) ? When mom would throw this on for lunch, as a kid I would tell her we shouldn’t have any soup related to the Canadiens in the house…lol.

  103. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide:
    NOW we’re cooking. I think the Oilers lose tonight, 4-3 with goals from the Nuge, the Hemmer and the Paajarvi.

    Paajarvi?

    C’mon now…:)

  104. Woodguy says:

    VOR,

    Vor,

    I think we differ most by you counting goals, and I count shots.

    I also hold 5v5 play in the highest regards and generally look at that to see if a player is effective.

    It’s not that 5v4 isn’t important, it is. Its just that whether a player can hold their own 5v5 is everything in the long term.

    You listen to a lot of players and coaches and you will hear them talk about getting shots and scoring changes and not worrying about goals since they are subject to a lot of luck.

    This has been shown many times in many places on the hockey blogs as well.

    That’s why I look at shots and scoring chances, and not goals. They are too rare to come to reasonable conclusions. The sample size on goals is 1/10 the sample size of shots and attempted shots.

    You know all this.

    According to stats.hockeyanalysis Whitney actually does ok with 83,89,64

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=451&withagainst=true&season=2012-13&sit=5v5

    The most damning thing is that almost every player has a better shots percentage without Whitney than with him.

    As for him being the 5v4 QB, I think 93 is actually the QB, but there is no question he is good there.

    If you look at the 5 C’s on the club 93,89,10,20, 57 you can see which D RK is pairing with each line. (for the most part)

    93 – 15-19
    89 – 5-2
    10 – 6-x
    20 6-x
    57 6-x

    RK can’t shelter 6 anymore at 5v5 than he already is.

    Its a real shame that it happened to him, but I cheer for the Oilers and I want the coach to ice the best team he can with the roster, and today he thinks that they are better without 6.

  105. Lowetide says:

    CH: I did that for you. :-)

  106. frenchfrog says:

    Future Hall of Famer Granlund now a healthy scratch due to his poor play.

    Oops.

  107. jake70 says:

    Let’s see if they can get what would be only their 2nd regulation win tonight.

  108. Lois Lowe says:

    frenchfrog:
    Future Hall of Famer Granlund now a healthy scratch due to his poor play.

    Oops.

    Didn’t you hear? The goalposts have been moved to St. Louis.

  109. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lois Lowe: Didn’t you hear? The goalposts have been moved to St. Louis.

    Beautiful.

  110. Captain Happy says:

    frenchfrog:
    Future Hall of Famer Granlund now a healthy scratch due to his poor play.

    Oops.

    That’s odd…I’m watching the game and Granlund is playing very well with a SOG.

    Maybe you mean some other Granlund.

  111. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide:
    CH: I did that for you.

    And here I thought you’d lost your mind.

    Although I suppose he will score eventually.

  112. Lowetide says:

    Lois Lowe: Didn’t you hear? The goalposts have been moved to St. Louis.

    Lois with the absolute haymaker.

  113. Woodguy says:

    Bah!

    Getting on a plane in 15 minutes and the bar here won’t put the game on.

    Go Oilers!!

  114. BlacqueJacque says:

    Pretty soon, there will be YouTube channels with better pre-game shows than SportsNet.

  115. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide: Lois with the absolute haymaker.

    Phhttt….there’s more than one team that has effected a better rebuild than the Oilers…5 or 6 actually.

  116. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Bah!

    Getting on a plane in 15 minutes and the bar here won’t put the game on.

    Go Oilers!!

    what the hell? Where are you, Turkey?

  117. Woodguy says:

    Phoenix.

    Scoping out a place for your wife.

    Finally coming home, been gone since Monday to Vegas then Phoenix Thursday to today.

    They have hockey on, just not the Oilers.

    COL-DAL – meh.

  118. Lucinius says:

    Damnit. Hockeystreams went from the Oiler feed to the Canuck feed. God damnit. Oiler guys are bad, but the Canuck guys are worse.

  119. Lowetide says:

    Holy hell Dubnyk is out of his mind right now.

  120. spoiler says:

    B S:
    spoiler,

    That’s HC, for Hockey Club.

    They’re dyslexic too!!?? Lol.

  121. spoiler says:

    Jordan Schroeder? 2009 draft favorite of LT and speeds? Wondered what had happened to him.

  122. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Fk, when is this team going to start a game with a decent shif and That shot that 94 just took should be a negative 10 to his corsi

  123. Lowetide says:

    Yakupov with the penalty, it’ll be interesting to see Horcoff/Smyth PK totals tonight.

  124. spoiler says:

    Captain Happy: Phhttt….there’s more than one team that has effected a better rebuild than the Oilers…5 or 6 actually.

    Yet another in a countless “stream” of premature evaculations.

  125. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    Jordan Schroeder?2009 draft favorite of LT and speeds? Wondered what had happened to him.

    Liked him a ton.
    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2009/06/final-top-30.html

  126. frenchfrog says:

    Captain Happy: That’s odd…I’m watching the game and Granlund is playing very well with a SOG.

    Maybe you mean some other Granlund.

    My mistake. Minny fans (real ones, not bandwagoners) were talking about it. Instead he just got DEMOTED to the 4th line.

    :(

  127. hunter1909 says:

    Taylor Hall, padding his shooting %.

    I’m not too strong with math, but is it possible for Hall’s shooting percentage to go below O?

  128. "Steve Smith" says:

    Pettrell leading the Oilers in icetime so far.

  129. Lowetide says:

    Paajarvi with the hit. Yeah, baby!

  130. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Pettrell leading the Oilers in icetime so far.

    every fucking night.

  131. spoiler says:

    Now that puts the Magnum in Magnus!

  132. Lowetide says:

    Oilers powerplay is awful. Woodguy mentioned the first game back from roadtrip blues, and I hadn’t seen evidence until the 5×4.

  133. spoiler says:

    Maybe Chabot should run the powerplay too.

  134. khildahl says:

    Had trouble commenting as my browser logged out and I forgot my password.

    Taylor Hall can hit Luongo in the head with the puck all night long and I’ll call it a win.

  135. fuzzy muppet says:

    I’d try the Nordic line on the PP after seeing that awful effort by the top 2 lines.

  136. russ99 says:

    Wake up Mr. Hall. You can’t keep turning over the puck doing the same thing over and over and hope that it will work.

  137. SK Oiler Fan says:

    The Nordic line has been the only line to get the puck behind the VanD. Get it deep!

  138. khildahl says:

    Dammit. Fistric hurt himself.

  139. BlacqueJacque says:

    Omigosh, did anyone else see Nuge just… float up to his feet again? Like he had some sort of anti-gravity device attached?

  140. SK Oiler Fan says:

    khildahl,

    Didn’t Messier used to do that quite regularily at the beginning of games?

  141. Kris11 says:

    Kids can work the puck, no doubt.

  142. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers need Phil Esposito.

  143. Smarmy says:

    Man alive I wish this team would score a bunch of goals.

  144. Kris11 says:

    Paajarvakainen?

  145. BlacqueJacque says:

    Kris11,

    Paajarvakainender.

  146. Lowetide says:

    Dammit Potter!

  147. hunter1909 says:

    Methinks Kreuger breaks up the “Top” line in a hurry, and Hartski draws a top 6 assignment. The way things look Oilers are strictly a perimeter team, useless in front of the net, left to shoot long ones from the point, like wtf.

  148. khildahl says:

    Has Ebs been taking skating lessons from Hall?

  149. Rebilled says:

    The piss-cutter twins getting cheaper with age.

  150. Lowetide says:

    Oilers need to have a much better PP here, but 5×5 there are some nice things happening. The Nordics are tracking like demons.

  151. Kris11 says:

    Potter against Sedins is no good. No good, Krueger.

  152. Ryan says:

    Is it just me or is Mact stifling the Oilers offense again? :)

  153. hunter1909 says:

    MEGA FASHION ALERT: Never wear a baseball cap backwards when in attendance at a major sporting event.

  154. Kris11 says:

    Yeah, I was think the same about using Harti and MPS to check, mixed with the other kids.

    Maybe:

    Hall-Gagner-Hartikainen
    Yakupov-Horcoff-Eberle
    MPS-Nuge-Hemsky

  155. BlacqueJacque says:

    Great work by Hemsky retrieving that puck for a score.

  156. Lowetide says:

    Hemmer with the HUMMER!

  157. striatic says:

    Lowetide,

    Petrell and Hartikainen are a joy to watch, although i worry about Hartikainen getting chopped to pieces and not lasting the season.

  158. khildahl says:

    Where the hell did that goal come from? Blinked and missed it.

  159. russ99 says:

    Wow. Nice goal, Hemmer.

    Just fantastic chip in there by Yak!

  160. Gret99zky says:

    the hemmer with the filthy

  161. Rebilled says:

    hahahahahahahaha!

  162. Kris11 says:

    Yaaay!

  163. wordbird says:

    HORSE FACE!!

    … iI mean GOOOOOOOOAAAALLLLLL!

  164. Lowetide says:

    Hemsky (Yakupov, Gagner)

    #89 isn’t that far behind Wellwood now.

  165. BlacqueJacque says:

    Gags with the assist. Now our wanna-be second line centre has points in the first 9 games of the season.

  166. Kris11 says:

    Yaksky.

  167. khildahl says:

    Hemmer with an Eberle.

  168. Smarmy says:

    Lol Horcoff just laid that guy out.

  169. striatic says:

    Luongo mishandled that.

  170. BlacqueJacque says:

    Ohohohoho sick rush by the kids.

  171. delooper says:

    Now that Hemsky doesn’t have all the weight of this Oilers team on his back every night, he might have a career season. He’s looking in fine form.

  172. wordbird says:

    “Lemme see… got everything for the game tonight? car keys… check. tickets… check. horse mask… check.”

  173. Lucinius says:

    khildahl:
    Hemmer with an Eberle.

    Please. Hemsky was doing that while Eberle was still in diapers! Okay, so not quite, but he’s done that more than a few teams while he was carrying the team’s offense all on his lonesome (hence why his shoulders gave out).

    Fantastic play.

    Been messing a bit with the Canuck fans on Hockeystreams. Hilarious.

  174. hunter1909 says:

    Kreuger stone faced after the goal. Me likes.

    You have to wonder what they’re talking about in the Nucks dressing room.

  175. Ryan says:

    delooper:
    Now that Hemsky doesn’t have all the weight of this Oilers team on his back every night, he might have a career season. He’s looking in fine form.

    Hemsky’s sneaky. So much going on with the kids that you sort of forget about him, then bam!

  176. Lowetide says:

    wordbird:
    “Lemme see… got everything for the game tonight? car keys… check. tickets… check. horse mask… check.”

    What in HELL was that? I mean I’m laughing but it looked a little creepy.

  177. striatic says:

    i think Vancouver comes out hard in the 2nd.

    that first period was an embarrassment for the canucks. they are lucky they aren’t down by more.

  178. khildahl says:

    Lucinius: Please. Hemsky was doing that while Eberle was still in diapers! Okay, so not quite, but he’s done that more than a few teams while he was carrying the team’s offense all on his lonesome (hence why his shoulders gave out).

    Fantastic play.

    Been messing a bit with the Canuck fans on Hockeystreams. Hilarious.

    Nah. Hemsky’s approach has always been to carry it past 5 guys and do that. This one’s an Eberle because he picked it up right in front of the net and put it in. ;)

  179. SK Oiler Fan says:

    DD made 2 big stops early, otherwise it might have been a different period. 83 has some jump tonight. 93 line got it going late. Seems like if they get the puck with speed just over the Oiler blue line they back the Van D up better

  180. khildahl says:

    hunter1909:
    Kreuger stone faced after the goal. Me likes.

    You have to wonder what they’re talking about in the Nucks dressing room.

    “That guy got in my way by the boards and made me knock him into them! That’s interference! Goddamned refs! Don’t they know I’m a Sedin?”

  181. hunter1909 says:

    SK Oiler Fan: DD made 2 big stops early, otherwise it might have been a different period.

    If Dubnyk keeps the scoresheet clean until halfway through the third period, Oilers have a great chance of winning.

  182. Gret99zky says:

    Horsemask guy on the replay.

    Awesome.

    Miss Rodeo Canada must be in town and he wants to impress.

  183. spoiler says:

    And Captain Happy, purportedly an Oiler fan, is absolutely effusive in his compliments for Hemsky’s goal against one of the teams he lauds, I mean fears, most.

    What? You say he didn’t even post?

  184. Lowetide says:

    striatic:
    Lowetide,

    Petrell and Hartikainen are a joy to watch, although i worry about Hartikainen getting chopped to pieces and not lasting the season.

    he’s going to take a beating, no doubt. Maybe he can talk to Smyth about surviving in the NW.

  185. OilClog says:

    Hemsky has always left goalies in a pretzel state

  186. Ryan says:

    Whoever wrote the first Eberle post about unsustainable shooting % – jinxed him and Hall’s taken some collateral jinx.

  187. ASkoreyko says:

    spoiler:
    And Captain Happy, purportedly an Oiler fan, is absolutely effusive in his compliments for Hemsky’s goal against one of the teams he lauds, I mean fears, most.

    What? You say he didn’t even post?

    This start to the season has really put to rest any claims DSF had to not being a troll.

    Even when he does drop by its just his old routine.

    Pick one example of a outlier/better example and try to use that as a reason why the Oilers are terrible.

  188. Ryan says:

    Where’s the post about Nuge’s unsustainable 0% or Halls which I’d need to review differential calculus to calculate?

  189. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King scoring chances

    First period chances: 7-3 Oil; 1-1 ST. Why doesn’t the Cult Of Hockey show revealing pics of the Octane cheerleaders?

  190. Kris11 says:

    Actually, Captain Happy/DSF has never once claimed to be an Oiler fan, IIRC. He is clearly a Canucks fan and a fan of any team that looks like a good bandwagon to jump on in the future. He is. the sort of fan who just wants to be a fan of the winning team so as to taunt others. This sort of fan-troll existed before the internet and will be with us always,

  191. Lowetide says:

    Terry Jones ‏@sunterryjones

    Oilers back for second period. No Fistric.

  192. Derek says:

    Lowetide:
    Dennis King scoring chances

    First period chances: 7-3 Oil; 1-1 ST. Why doesn’t the Cult Of Hockey show revealing pics of the Octane cheerleaders?

    Where are these posted this year?

  193. wordbird says:

    Gene with the Godfather reference. nice!

  194. Lowetide says:

    Derek: Where are these posted this year?

    Nowhere I’ve seen. I think Dennis is waiting for Vic’s parsing tool to help him with who is on the ice when scoring chances occur.

  195. khildahl says:

    Well…

    I guess Whitney’s back on Wednesday.

  196. Lowetide says:

    Dubnyk is very solid right now.

  197. spoiler says:

    Two great defensive plays on that PK…

    One by Petry to hold off the much bigger Kassian at the side of the net. And the other by Smid after the line change, where he had the presence of mind to read the cross ice backdoor danger on the Canuck attack.

  198. khildahl says:

    Every damn ref in the NHL needs to go back to “Getting out of the damn way” school.

  199. Lowetide says:

    Paajarvi driving to the new. Good arrows falling from the sky now.

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