IF INERTIA WERE A SKILL, TAMBELLINI WOULD BE GRETZKY

Shawn Horcoff was injured February 4th and we heard he’d be gone a month; this means that Horc should be ready to roll early next week. Right? Well, no. For the first time in history, an injury timeline estimate was incorrect.

  • Horcoff: “I can’t grip (a stick) yet. I’m two weeks away.”

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So the Oilers have the Nuge (something’s wrong), Sam Gagner, Eric Belanger and Chris VandeVelde. Razor thin. And still no outside help at center. If inertia were a skill, Tambellini would be Gretzky.

Lots of chatter everywhere on the Oilers drafting. It’s gone from “Magnificent Bastard” to “they can’t do anything right” and for my part I am sincerely sorry for anything I did to create high or false expectations. You have to allow 5 seasons to pass in order to get a first real “glimpse” of a specific draft, so that means we can properly evaluate the 2008 draft this summer.

So far, it’s a helluva draft. The Jordan Eberle selection was brilliant and not in fact a slam dunk (although you’ll see that a lot, too)–and that pick was the inspiration for the “Magnificent Bastard” nickname. The club did not have a second or third round selection, but in the 4th round (Johan Motin) and 5th round (Phil Cornet) found fringe NHL players. The script could change on either, but at the 5 year mark that’s what we know. The 6th round saw MBS select Teemu Hartikainen, who is now at the 45 NHL game mark and pushing for regular duty (he has been a regular this season). I believe the 2008 entry draft is already a success, but if Hartikainen has a career then that’s a quality draft.

2009? Well we’re coming up on the end of year four and things look a little brighter. Magnus Paajarvi is back in the show and at the 136 game mark this morning. Even if the Oilers flush him I believe MP has earned a second chance with another team, but there’s skill there and he’s been working well with Samwise this season. A nice run through the end of the season would do worlds for Paajarvi’s future with the club. Rajala is having a nice run in the AHL, Bigos will likely be signed and turn pro this fall and Roy has struggled but is stoning the ECHL at this moment.

Linus Omark won the Swiss-A league’s scoring championship (48, 17-52-69) and one hopes employment with the Detroit Red Wings. Watch out folks, if he lands with an NHL team expect mondo coverage on this blog–even if it is Calgary!


Elliotte Friedman’s 30 thoughts is a highlight of my week, there are always several interesting items. One of them this week involves Ottawa coach Paul MacLean:

  • 26. For example, one of the ideas MacLean likes to preach is “fast defence.” Basically, he wants his forwards to create three lanes of support for defencemen trying to move or pass the puck out of their own zone. When the AHLers are called up, they understand what that means, no explanation necessary. “You can never move the puck fast enough for Paul,” Richardson said.

Ralph Krueger and Steve Tambellini were in OKC to see last night’s game. Among the highlights:

  • Brett Clark (12, 1-10-11) scored a nice goal and played his usual strong defense. 
  • Toni Rajala (22, 7-10-17) had 2 assists, +1 and 4 shots on goal.

The Barons are 2 points out of a playoff spot with miles to go. It seems coach Nelson has settled things down after the airlift and has the team headed in the right direction.

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119 Responses to "IF INERTIA WERE A SKILL, TAMBELLINI WOULD BE GRETZKY"

  1. regwald says:

    When you see the trades yesterday, it’s days like that you wonder if Tambo’s phone is broken or if they have issued him the fisher price version or something.

    It’s like he’s scared to make a trade. Ridiculous. He will not address a glaring need or fix the glut of 6/7 dmen taking up roster spots. So frustrating.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Inert is a great description for ST. The world around him is in shambles, opportunities present themselves to help the club and yet he remains completely unaffected and simply persists in his state of evaluation.

    RE: Horcoff… what is the timeline on Lander?

    RE: Omark… what exactly are the Oil waiting for here? I gather they are waiting till the deadline?

  3. FrankenOil says:

    Is there a date where Omark has to be signed in order to be eligible for post season play? I would think that he would have appeal to playoff teams at the deadline if he were still eligible to play in the playoffs.

  4. blackdog says:

    We still haven’t closed the book on Prendergast, its way to early to judge MacGregor. Seriously. If Petry and Dubnyk become frontline NHLers and Gagner continues to shine then KP looks way better than he did.

    Saying MacGregor is shit because Oiler prospects had a poor autumn for the most part makes no sense to me. Is he a genius again because Zharkov has gotten hot and Pelss suddenly looks like a player.

    Takes time.

    And fire Tambo already. This may be the one good thing to come out of another year out of the playoffs. Fuck he’s useless

  5. humantorch says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Inert is a great description for ST.

    “Incompetent” would be another.

  6. M Parkatti says:

    blackdog:
    And fire Tambo already. This may be the one good thing to come out of another year out of the playoffs. Fuck he’s useless

    Quoted for truth. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Guy has been speaking crayon for 5 years and we need to give him more time to figure this out?

  7. regwald says:

    M Parkatti: Quoted for truth. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Guy has been speaking crayon for 5 years and we need to give him more time to figure this out?

    Maybe he gets fired right after the 4th #1 pick falls in our lap in May … LOL

    Don’t want to ditch the lucky charm too soon.

  8. crude says:

    Tambo probably will be let go this offseason, and he maybe already knows it because he was likely told in 2009 or 10 – whenever the rebuild started.
    Maybe he takes over for Feaster to start next season.

    Steve’s A-1 Rebuild, find us in the yellow pages.

  9. Jaw17 says:

    regwald: Maybe he gets fired right after the 4th #1 pick falls in our lap in May … LOL

    Don’t want to ditch the lucky charm too soon.

    TBH since he’s waited this long to make a move I’m now alright with waiting tell after this road trip to see if we have a playoff contender and then make the moves accordingly, also fire his ass the second the draft lottery is over, I can see it now, Mr. Dithers lights up as he wins another first overall pick, then halfway through the TSN interview he gets told he’s fired, perfect day for the Oilers!

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    blackdog:
    We still haven’t closed the book on Prendergast, its way to early to judge MacGregor. Seriously. If Petry and Dubnyk become frontline NHLers and Gagner continues to shine then KP looks way better than he did.

    Saying MacGregor is shit because Oiler prospects had a poor autumn for the most part makes no sense to me. Is he a genius again because Zharkov has gotten hot and Pelss suddenly looks like a player.

    Takes time.

    And fire Tambo already. This may be the one good thing to come out of another year out of the playoffs. Fuck he’s useless

    Agreed on all fronts.

    beyond the first round, where the ripes and the rottens emerge much quicker, definitive evaluations on players and scouts is silly… everything should be provisional.

    However, re: ST… I suspect LT and others are right… ST gives KL and MacT cover. He’s not going anywhere as long as KL is in charge. He’s there to give us all target practice.

    Firing ST means either: 1) the heat falls decisively to KL; or 2) KL has to relinquish the reins to a new, actually in-charge GM; or 3) KL hires a new figurehead.

    the rot goes high. Still… he should be fired. he’s terrible.

  11. sliderule says:

    It’s been said we are in the draft till we drop mode until the new building gets open.

    When they never made any move for a player like Winnik it kind of confirms it.
    We keep trying to fit players we drafted for a top six position into the bottom six.It’s like they don’t care if it’s not working.

    We keep saying we are not tough enough and we sign Belanger instead of Konopka.

    Our drafting since we elevated Stu has become BPA in first round and don’t try to be smarter than everybody else.We have to applaud that.Some of the later picks like Hesketh ,Abney and the two Finnish goalies have left me scratching my head but better field scouts could help there.

    So my hope is that they get going on the building before I am too old to see TV.

  12. Clay says:

    How great is it that the Oilers went from a last place team, to a team now that has so much scoring depth that they can bury an offensive talent in Europe who just happens to lead a major pro league in scoring?

    It’s an embarrassment of riches, not to mention another cerebral display of asset management we’ve come to expect from our management group. Way to go Tambo! You sure know what you’re doing!

    Oilers fans are so lucky!

  13. Woodguy says:

    GM Steve Tambellini announces the #Oilers have recalled goaltender Yann Danis from the AHL’s #OKCBarons

    What the hell?

  14. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    regwald: Maybe he gets fired right after the 4th #1 pick falls in our lap in May … LOL

    crude:
    Tambo probably will be let go this offseason, and he maybe already knows it because he was likely told in 2009 or 10 – whenever the rebuild started.
    Maybe he takes over for Feaster to start next season.

    Steve’s A-1 Rebuild, find us in the yellow pages.

    If he get fired this offseason… it will be bittersweet. It will be sweet because… finally! but bitter because he was just signed to an undisclosed “multi-year” deal… that means at least 2 but probably 3 years.

    one more reason to think KL is driving this tank into the lake. WHat’s he going to do… give him a Quinn legacy appointment?

  15. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy:
    GM Steve Tambellini announces the #Oilers have recalled goaltender Yann Danis from the AHL’s #OKCBarons

    What the hell?

    And the answer:

    #Oilers have also placed goaltender Nikolai Khabibulin on Injured Reserve

    ST; “Ralph, you have to start playing Devan more”

    RK: “Its your job to give me a roster and its my job to deploy it”

    ST: “You’re right/ *picks up his phone* *texts* *puts phone down* Khabby just had an accident, and is on the IR”

  16. Clay says:

    blackdog:

    And fire Tambo already. This may be the one good thing to come out of another year out of the playoffs. Fuck he’s useless

    All kidding aside, I would bet that Tambo has AT LEAST 3 more years of leash from KLowe. My reasons:

    1) Kevin Lowe has an 11-year hockey operations resume that says he doesn’t know what he’s doing.

    2) He will reward (REWARD!!!) Tambo for making himself look inept, and building 30th place teams so they can draft good players. It’s only fair to reward him with an equal amount of time to “try to improve the team” by standing pat and letting all the draftees develop at the NHL level.

    3) I honestly, honestly believe that KLowe and Tambo believe this would’ve been a good team this year and last year had it not been for injuries. There’s no other way to explain the lack of moves by them to bring in better players.

    I’ve made fun of Calgary for years for completely squandering the Iginla-Kipper window, but I don’t tease any of my Flames buddies anymore, because what is happening in Edmonton is way worse.

  17. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: And the answer:

    #Oilers have also placed goaltender Nikolai Khabibulin on Injured Reserve

    ST; “Ralph, you have to start playing Devan more”

    RK: “Its your job to give me a roster and its my job to deploy it”

    ST: “You’re right/ *picks up his phone* *texts* *puts phone down* Khabby just had an accident, and is on the IR”

    It’s the shitty GM version of the “Moneyball” Scene where Beane forces Howe to accommodate his vision.

  18. spoiler says:

    LT said:
    Shawn Horcoff was injured February 4th and we heard he’d be gone a month; this means that Horc should be ready to roll early next week. Right? Well, no. For the first time in history, an injury timeline estimate was incorrect.

    Weren’t we told two weeks ago that Horcoff would be out longer than originally thought?

    LT said:
    So the Oilers have the Nuge (something’s wrong), Sam Gagner, Eric Belanger and Chris VandeVelde. Razor thin. And still no outside help at center. If inertia were a skill, Tambellini would be Gretzky.

    You must really hate the GMs of Ottawa and Detroit then. Those two teams are already legitnplayoff contenders, they should REALLY have made a move.

  19. BlacqueJacque says:

    Ok even my optimism and calm demeanor are wearing down. I know that Katz won’t fire his bestest buddy Klowe, and Klowe brought the clown prince of incompetence back as executive ass kisser, and they have a public meat shield in Tambo.

  20. ashley says:

    Is Tambellini really slow to act? It seems every time a trade takes place in this 30 team league, out come the Tambellini critics. Are we jealous of other teams trading loose ends? We want to be somehow involved in all the trades? Is there evidence that wheeling and dealing on a regular basis is the road to a championship roster?

    It seems to me that to get value on the roster, you often have to give it up. A lot of trades end up about equal, so really it is about balancing things out. We have a couple of pretty good lines of offensive hockey players, and a few good Dmen. The rest of the roster is pretty marginal which is generous. Will taking a valuable piece out of our line up and inserting another at another position make that big of a difference? Why do we think that trading for a Dman will add more value than the forward that was surrendered?

    Looking at this a different way, there are 26 other teams who have done basically nothing since the start of the season. Are their GM’s being heavily criticized for inaction?

    We are still some distance from a championship team. Why tinker now? Give up our valuable prospects for players of declining value like say Dan Boyle, a guy who won’t be around when we are ready to compete at the top of this league?

    I saw a poster some weeks ago ask for advice about some kind of simulation game where it sounds like he was making decisions like a GM would. Perhaps this is a side effect of these games people play? It gives us the idea that doing something with the roster is better than doing nothing? After all, doing something is more interesting, even if it is the wrong course of action. Why play the simulation game just to build through the draft. That would be boring, but possibly effective?

    Or maybe we are conceited enough to think that if there is a trade, we are likely to win it? Call it the Pronger effect? It seems there are fewer and fewer “grand larceny” trades these days. All the GM’s are pretty savvy. Besides, if it were true that there were heavy winners and losers in each trade, we would be just as likely to lose badly as we would win big. That would make me more shy about trading than begging for it.

    My questions are sincere. I would appreciate any and all intelligent insights.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    ashley,

    I think one of the values of the deals that have been made is simply to counter the tired narrative that there’s “nothing to be done until the deadline or the offseason”

    The point isn’t necessarily that the Oil should have made x deal, but that deals are available and it’s the GM’s job to make his team better every day.

    This team needs a lot of new toys. And, it has a lot of spare parts (as you note), but those spare parts can be translated into something of value (NK, Whitney, etc), and there are a ton of prospects that can be dealt, and we’ve suffered at C hugely…

    Aside from trades there have been waivers, free agents, etc available… ST could have been more active, he could be now.

    I think the frustration is that ST is always waiting… taking this line:

    “a guy who won’t be around when we are ready to compete at the top of this league?”

    The ELCs on Hall and Eberle are done after this year… when exactly is this team going to be competitive enough to actually invest in quality supporting players? Why is paying near the cap and being crappy acceptable?

  22. justDOit says:

    ashley,

    Can’t argue with that at all. Regarding the few trades that have occurred, it’s crazy to assume that the Oilers could have been in that discussion. Maybe Dallas went after Cole for Ryder, meaning that Oilers mgmt wasn’t even aware Ryder was on the market? The other thing we don’t know is maybe Tambi did kick the tires on that one, but didn’t want to part with Dallas’ demands?

    Reminds me of a quote from the Sopranos that was wrong there and it’s wrong here: “More is lost to indecision than wrong decision.”

  23. justDOit says:

    Hey boys and girls, it’s time to play ‘What Happened to Khabby’?

    After an evening out with old friends in Chicago, NK loses his balance when trying to pick up his luggage and falls onto the carousel at DFW airport, twisting his knee. Out 4 – 6 weeks.

  24. bookje says:

    ashley,

    I think trades are partcularly difficult for a team that had been filling its secondary player roles with really weak options in order to tank.

    With that said, Tambellini should have been collecting lots of up and coming AHLers so that he would have some assets to trade at this point.

    Anyway, I hope the team starts winning for a bit. Everything is more fun with winning.

  25. bookje says:

    Clay:
    How great is it that the Oilers went from a last place team, to a team now that has so much scoring depth that they can bury an offensive talent in Europe who just happens to lead a major pro league in scoring?

    It’s an embarrassment of riches, not to mention another cerebral display of asset management we’ve come to expect from our management group.Way to go Tambo!You sure know what you’re doing!

    Oilers fans are so lucky!

    Didn’t Omark clear waivers with no takers? So, 29 other GMs are just as incompetent.

    Edit- After a quick search, I am not certain that he was put on waivers – however, I suspect he was shopped around for pretty much anything that other teams had to offer – though we are in the dark on that so we don’t know if the Oilers turned down offers. One would have to think that if another team offered a 4th round pick, the Oilers would have taken it.

  26. jake70 says:

    I am indifferent on Tambellini. He is following a script from higher up in my opinion.

    But for those who yearning for the day Tambo is gone, about an hour ago I found out my own boss is stepping down, noone saw it comming……giddy giddy giddy woohoo…….there’s hope….lol. There are many happy people in a workplace today.

  27. fuzzy muppet says:

    Aaron Volpatti is on waivers. Surely he’s a better 4th liner than “lenny”.

    If fact, Willis reports he’s on the ice for twice as many D-zone draws as O-zone draws and the Canucks are out shooting the oppostion while he’s out there.

    Hello??? Steve??

  28. prairieschooner says:

    I think the problem is that the Oilers are trying to pace the progress to be in step with the development of the young stars.
    If they addressed the bottom 6 issues in a more aggressive manner the top 6 may find life a bit easier and so an all round improvement could be achieved

  29. icecastles says:

    sliderule: It’s been said we are in the draft till we drop mode until the new building gets open.

    Said by a random fan? Or a legitimate source? This sounds an awful lot like scuttlebutt to me.

  30. hags9k says:

    I am most concerned with Nuge’s health. The simple reality of the Oilers is that we won’t emerge until he does. Right now he’s nicked up and in the sophomore slump. He is the key. When he goes nova we will be a playoff team. (assuming ST can dig up at least one competent D man in the meantime.)

  31. B S says:

    Woodguy: And the answer:

    #Oilers have also placed goaltender Nikolai Khabibulin on Injured Reserve

    ST; “Ralph, you have to start playing Devan more”

    RK: “Its your job to give me a roster and its my job to deploy it”

    ST: “You’re right/ *picks up his phone* *texts* *puts phone down* Khabby just had an accident, and is on the IR”

    Oh lord, I thought you were joking about the IR until I checked the Oilers homepage. The more I think on it the more I’m worried you might have hit the nail on the head. I really hope JUSTDOIT is right and Tambi isn’t seriously trying to dictate what the coach is doing.justDOit, I’m guessing pulled groin trying to lift a jug of vodka.

  32. justDOit says:

    B S,

    I think you’re radically underestimating his abilities wrt jugs of anything!

  33. RMGS says:

    Woodguy: And the answer:

    #Oilers have also placed goaltender Nikolai Khabibulin on Injured Reserve

    That 40-year old tender groin is the gift that keeps on giving!

    Oilers management is a gong show.

  34. hunter1909 says:

    BlacqueJacque: I know that Katz won’t fire his bestest buddy Klowe, and Klowe brought the clown prince of incompetence back as executive ass kisser

    Clown Prince of ass kissing? Which one? Steve Smith?…Bucky?…MacT?…

  35. justDOit says:

    B S,

    Maybe ST has an offer for NK?

  36. Clay says:

    bookje: Didn’t Omark clear waivers with no takers?So, 29 other GMs are just as incompetent.

    Edit- After a quick search, I am not certain that he was put on waivers – however, I suspect he was shopped around for pretty much anything that other teams had to offer – though we are in the dark on that so we don’t know if the Oilers turned down offers.One would have to think that if another team offered a 4th round pick, the Oilers would have taken it.

    No, I’m familiar with how Omark came to be playing in Europe, and I know that he wouldn’t play for the Oilers even if they begged him (allegedly). I was just venting frustration.

  37. hunter1909 says:

    Maybe cynical Oilers mgmt think it’s just one giant sham like that 24 Hour Dance Marathon racket Gig Young’s running; before informing Jane Fonda that she hasn’t won a thing.

    It all boils down to this: The over/under when Taylor Hall finally asks for a trade out of Klowne-ville.

  38. jonrmcleod says:

    On Twitter, Rishaug is really pushing hard for the Oilers to claim Volpatti. His reasons include “edge,” hits, and being an even player. He would prefer that Oilers play Volpatti and send down one of Hatikainen and Paajarvi. But let those players switch teams and I think the evaluation would change.

  39. Captain Happy says:

    The Oilers management team reminds me of nothing more than the WKRP Thanksgiving contest episode with Kevin Lowe starring as Mr. Carlson, MacT as Herb Tarleck and Steve Tambellini as Les Nessman.

    http://youtu.be/lf3mgmEdfwg

    “As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly”.

  40. jonrmcleod says:

    Also, Volpatti missed most of 2011-12 with a shoulder injury. Oilers don’t need more players with weak shoulders. But, seriously, I don’t know much about Volpatti so not sure if they should claim him or not.

  41. pboy says:

    I can’t believe our 40 year goaltender with a history of injury problems is injured!!!!

    Said nobody, ever.

  42. fuzzy muppet says:

    jonrmcleod,

    If they claim him, I’d view him as a replacement for Petrell, who is CLEARLY not an NHL talent.

    If they send down 91 or 56 in his stead, it’s more evidence on the mountain of failure that is this management team.

  43. humantorch says:

    pboy:
    I can’t believe our 40 year goaltender with a history of injury problems is injured!!!!

    Said nobody, ever.

    Said nobody ever, except for one guy.

    “We’ll have Nik back.”
    –S. Tambellini

  44. jonrmcleod says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Yeah, Volpatti has 4 points in 54 NHL games. That’s worse than Petrellian.

  45. fifthcartel says:

    Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty
    Oilers were nosing around Aaron Volppati awhile back. They should be taking him on waivers from Canucks. They need toughness.

    I hope they don’t claim him then send Paajarvi down.

  46. B S says:

    justDOit,

    http://www.liquormart.com/liquor/vodka/uv-vodka-80-proof-19228.html

    A bottle of that will pull something by the end of the night.

    Can’t trade NK if he’s on IR so Tambi would be stuck standing pat (unless that’s what you mean).

  47. Captain Happy says:

    Volpatti is about as effective as Darcy Hordichuk.

  48. jonrmcleod says:

    fifthcartel,

    Inertia/activity. Be careful what you wish for.

  49. fuzzy muppet says:

    jonrmcleod,

    You’re not bringing in Volpatti to score. He brings in the proverbial toughness/grit trait without killing you defensively. He’s a better skater than Petrell(whose only purpose is killing penalties and is easily replaced by 91 on the PK).

    Now reports are the RK is benching 91 after he was the best forward for the Oilers against CHicago.

    In what world is Lennart Petrell a better player than MPS?

    They just can’t resist one final tank job, which will lead to another tank job. My patience is wearing thin,,,,,,

  50. Truth says:

    The Oiler’s top line is effective in the offensive zone because they use speed and skill to hold the puck and make plays. Their ineffectiveness to score goals is in part due to their small size and inability to win battles in the “tough” areas, not to mention the currently horrible shooting %. The Oilers lose many games due to their F’s lack of size / inability to compete for a puck in the defensive zone. Big teams (LAK, SJS, DAL) dominate the Oilers as soon as they get possession in the offensive zone. Eberle, Nuge, Yak, Hall, Gagner, Hemsky, etc. simply cannot handle the Clifford/Thornton/Benn/Jagr type players. This is precisely why ST should be criticized for sitting Idle.

    As Ashley mentions in a post above, most trades are lateral with no usual winner and loser. Therefore the trade value of Hemsky should have an equivalent trade value with a different type player. It is ST’s job to acquire the proper pieces to build a winning team, not (as Ashley also mentions regarding video games) trade “up” in every trade to simply make the team better by hosing all other GM’s all the time. The Oilers are clearly heavy on small skilled players in the top 6 and clearly lacking physicality in the top 6. Trade what the Oilers have in surplus for what they need to compete in every game, and trade at equal value. Ideally, this type of trade would be a win/win. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Clowe has to be available for the right price.

    Regarding Nuge’s injury. My bet (and I would bet a lot) is that he will be shut down in the next month for surgery similar to Hall’s, provided that we don’t witness a miracle and the Oiler’s get in serious competition for a playoff spot. It’s too obvious to me that it’s a similar injury to Hall’s, the damage is done, there is no real danger in playing with it but he has to play through the pain. He was shut down due to the shoulder last year after innocently hitting the boards, prior to the WJC’s, and again a few weeks ago. Since the one a few weeks ago he is noticeably worse. Can we start some sort of a wager? Surgery/no surgery, or even better over/under say 19 games. I’ll take the under 19.

  51. justDOit says:

    B S,

    I just meant that it might be a way of protecting NK while a deal is hashed out – but I guess it might be violating some IR rules. I know it sounds pathetically optimistic…

  52. denny33 says:

    The Ottawa Senators blew up things a few years ago..and just can’t miss the playoffs. They have been DECIMATED by injuries and they still keep winning. I mean – they are missing their top 2 defenceman and their starting goalie and their top forward. Quick rebuild.

    Montreal had a lottery pick last year and they find themselves 3rd overall in NHL standings.

    Even the Toronto Maple Leafs are winning games with a roster and prospects that was being ridiculed by everyone.

    Someone else pointed out we are on a very slightly worse pace than last year.

    We sit 24th overall in the league and this was facing what I would call weaker teams. Calgary, Colorado, Minnesota and the blank spot Columbus.

    I feel filling out a roster of bottom 6 forwards is easier than top 6 forwards. ST has had a long time to find pieces to make this work. Same goes for a top end D-man. Analysts and fans have been saying this for a few years now.

    Another poster – posted historical Even strength goals and the current edition of Oilers is really, really poor at scoring goals 5 on 5. At some point, we might have to ask our top 6 forwards why we are this bad. Don’t get me wrong the bottom forwards have some blame…but how does a team that is ( allegedly ) so stacked with high end talent – not score more than 1 measly goal / game even strength?

    RNH – has 1 goal and 6 assists this year. This ties him with the Abysmal Nik Antropov of the Winnipeg Jets ( no fan favourite )

    Quite simply, we don’t seem to be progressing as an organization. The OKC barons don’t have any prospects that stand out to me…

    Finally, AHL enforcer Anthony Peluso played his 3rd game with the Winnipeg Jets last night. He usually averages about 3 -4 mins/ game. Peluso picked up 2 points last night.

    Hoping this might inspire Eric Belanger, MPS, Hartikainen, Ben Eager and Chris Vandevelde to great things.

  53. denny33 says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    I am no fan of Petrell…but he did have a great play causing Petry’s SHG.

    MPS – finished the game in Chicago with 0 goals and 0 assists.

    Our team did no score even 1 goal at even strength.

    I think RK ( I could be wrong ) has the same view of MPS that I do….

  54. SK Oiler Fan says:

    RE: NK
    You just have to laugh. The logical explanation would be his groin or back stiffened up after alot of work against Chicago and he’ll miss 3 or 4 games.
    But this is NK and the Oilers. It wouldn’t surprise me to hear some vague explanation from the Oilers to hide the truth and the word eventually leaking out that he fell down the stairs outside of the plane after sipping on his flask from Chi to Dal
    Too bad – would have been nice to get a pick for him from a team desperate for G.

  55. fuzzy muppet says:

    denny33,

    Lets be fair. 37 was standing there and Keith just fell and gave him the puck. Hardly a “great play”.

    I think it was Bruce that had the perfect quote “petrell plays every shift like he’s killing penalties”.

    37 is a below replacement level player that this bone-headed management team REFUSES to replace. It boggles the mind

  56. BlacqueJacque says:

    hunter1909,

    Clown prince of incompetence – MacT.

    Nee Jersey drafts Larsson, playoffs next two years (including a cup run). Ottawa drafts Zibanejad, playoffs. Ottawa loses star players? They climb in the rankings. Montreal drafts Galchenyuk last year, now they’re first in the East.

    I’m not expecting playoffs this year. I’ve re-evaluated my expectations based not on what the team has, but what other teams which sucked recently and/or had injury trouble this season. So based on that, I’m no longer expecting the playoffs, I’m god damned demanding them.

  57. BlacqueJacque says:

    denny33,

    You fucking nailed it.
    Playoffs or the entire management hydra’s heads. Klowe, Tambo, MacT.

  58. FrankenOil says:

    I like the idea of adding a Volpatti…but that’s just, the idea. We don’t need more 4th liners (we already have Petrell, Belanger, VDV, and a better version of Volpatti in Eager). The Oilers need to upgrade on Belanger which would push Belanger to a winger, FO specialist and PB option once Horc returns. Volpatti isn’t an upgrade on Belanger. This is the area this team needs to upgrade. Find more top-9 players to push Petrell, VDV, etc either to the PB or off the team.

  59. Captain Happy says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    RE: NK
    You just have to laugh. The logical explanation would be his groin or back stiffened up after alot of work against Chicago and he’ll miss 3 or 4 games.
    But this is NK and the Oilers. It wouldn’t surprise me to hear some vague explanation from the Oilers to hide the truth and the word eventually leaking out that he fell down the stairs outside of the plane after sipping on his flask from Chi to Dal
    Too bad – would have been nice to get a pick for him from a team desperate for G.

    He took a shot off the melon…concussion I would think.

  60. bookje says:

    I don’t get the Colbert image?

    What’s the fit?

  61. DBO says:

    Let’s see how much influence Taylor Hall has:

    “As a team we need to be more physical. A hit here, a hit there is going to wear down opposing teams.” – Hall, returning tomorrow – from Oilers twitter.

    Maybe that is why Petrell is in and not MPS. Crazy that Krueger splits up his only sort of effective line the last game. Starting to see some curious lineup choices. And on Bulin, apparently he slightly tweaked his groin against Phoenix, but Krueger still played him on a hunch he’d play well. So a bigger injury is on the coach. Hunches are fine, but sometimes when it comes to the lineup less can often be more. Or for another option: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. 2nd line was not broke. 1st line with Hall will be solid. Change up the bottom lines, not the only line we had actually holding their own against the best team in the league.

  62. Captain Obvious says:

    As useless as Petrell is, the worst forward on the Oilers is Vandevelde. If they pick up a waiver claim they should get a center.

    But this is all talk because we all know that in Oilers world the problem isn’t that they don’t have enough speed and skill, the problem is they aren’t big enough.

    That means the Oilers are destined to get worse as they ship the good Paajarvi out for the bad.

  63. rickithebear says:

    hags9k: The simple reality of the Oilers is that we won’t emerge until he does. Right now he’s nicked up and in the sophomore slump.

    RNH:
    11-12 2nd line Comp 62.5% zone start (2.55 expected) 1.98/2.55 77% of expected production
    12-13 1st line comp 54.4% zone start (1.55 expected) .91/1.55 60 % of expected
    Eberle:
    11-12 2nd line Comp 60.7% zone start (2.35 expected) 3.01/2.35 128% of expected
    12-131st line comp 54.6% zone start (1.55 expected) 1.29/1.55 83% of expected.

    we are roling a young man 3 years from full core development and 8 years from full strength development against the other teams best MEN.

    I do not know if i would call it a slump.

  64. FrankenOil says:

    Captain Obvious,

    The need for C is glaring especially with the fact Horcoff will almost assuredly miss the entire road trip. I’m so sick of watching Belanger struggle to make plays n the offensive zone. Whatever offense he had, left him before he came here. The issues aren’t the wingers (though, I’d take MPS 100 times out of 100 over Petrell or Jones), it is the C depth. Reading and listening to the verbal from Krueger, media and players before the CHI game was how balanced and deep the offense was on CHI and how they rolled 3 lines of offensive players. So the team with the best record shows a blueprint for success and we instead continue to want to roll out very little skill in the bottom 6. THis makes us effectively a 2 line team that teams need to worry about which makes it easy for them to send out their best matchup of forwards against one of our lines and their best D pair against the other. I wish we’d see them actually consider rolling 3 lines at evens and spreading out the scoring among those lines. Break-up Hall-RNH-Nuge and sprinkle them among those 3 lines. Acquire a C, even if it’s a stop-gap. One player who could, imo, be had and would add size and skill would be Antropov. Hell, sign a potentially washed up Brendan Morrison to shore up a 3rd scoring line until Horc returns. If the playoffs are truly a priority (and I think a lot of us are beginning to see they really aren’t due to Mgmt inertia), this has to be addressed now in order to keep our heads above water.

    I’m of the opinion that if the playoffs are the goal, our first rounder must be in play for a player with some contract left. By the trade deadline, we could be talking draft picks and not playoffs and that would PISS ME OFF something fierce. Every option has to be on the table for the Oilers because drafting another player who will need a baptism by fire in the nhl (if the oilers end up tanking) or a player that is 2 or 3 years away) will not make this team better next year either.

  65. Clay says:

    ashley,

    You’re right. In essence, we don’t have a clue what goes one day-to-day with Tambo. By all accounts, all thirty GMs are in touch with each other all the time.

    However, when you hold his body of work (or lack thereof) up to the state the team is in, something does not add up.

    First, I don’t think I’m speaking out of school when I say that Oilers fans were led to believe that, starting at the beginning of last season, the “intentional losing” was over, and the team was now going to be competitive. Yet, no real move was made over the past two off-seasons to fix the #1 problem with the team – not icing a competitive lineup of defensemen.

    Last year, it was a poor bet in Cam Barker, plus two 6-7 dmen in Potter and Sutton, then a questionable trade mid-season, sending out a very useful two-way dman for a stay at home guy.

    This year, Tambo had a very good rookie fall in his lap, plus, to his credit, a very usefull addition in Fistric. Yet, what the team needed was AT LEAST one more top-4 dman, and preferably two, so that you’re not forced to play a rookie for 22+ minutes a night.

    And here we are, saying the same thing since Pronger and Spacek left – not enough capable dmen.

    Now, here’s an example of some NHL deals or signings done since 2011 for dmen who would’ve been an upgrade to Edmonton’s top 4, their age and cap hit, and their cost in money, picks, and (equivalent Oilers prospect):

    - Zbynek Michalek (30, $4M) for a 3rd round pick, (Alex Plante), (Olivier Roy)
    - Dennis Wideman (29, $5.25M) for 5th round pick, (AHL journeyman dman) (Calgary just traded for the rights to negotiate with Wideman)
    - Brad Stuart (33, $3.6M) for 7th rd pick and (VDV)
    - Jan Hejda (34, $3.25M) UFA
    - JM Liles (32, $3.875M) for 2nd rd pick
    - Christian Erhoff (30, $4M) for 4th rd pick
    - James Wisniewski (29, $5.5M) for 5th rd pick

    I’m not going to argue whether or not any of these guys would or would not have wanted to play in Edmonton, or if they’re the right fit, etc, etc. I will argue, however, that there are trades out there where quality players can be had for futures. The Oilers have plenty of futures.

    Time is wasting. It’s been said by pretty much everyone here, but if the idea is to win a cup, and do it in the same way Chicago did it, then the window for that closes once your quality kids come off their value entry deals. That means there’s two more years after this one before all the kids up to Yak and Schultz get bigger money. And there’s no dman prospects after Schultz who will be ready for top-4 minutes on a contending team within the next two years.

    So, regardless how he does it, if Tambo can’t build a Stanley-level blue line through trade and free agency, then the odds of the Oilers winning a cup with the young cluster of blue chip kids we’ve all had to endure the past 4 hell seasons to acquire, are almost nil.

  66. Captain Obvious says:

    FrankenOil,

    I agree with everything except for trading the #1 pick. This is the best draft in years. Way too risky. We should be able to get an upgrade on Belanger for a second round pick.

  67. godot10 says:

    FrankenOil:
    Captain Obvious,

    I’m of the opinion that if the playoffs are the goal, our first rounder must be in play for a player with some contract left.By the trade deadline, we could be talking draft picks and not playoffs and that would PISS ME OFF something fierce. Every option has to be on the table for the Oilers because drafting another player who will need a baptism by fire in the nhl (if the oilers end uptanking) or a player that is 2 or 3 years away) will not make this team better next year either.

    You don’t trade 1st round draft picks to try to make the playoffs. You only trade a 1st round draft pick if you are a SC contender looking for a last piece of the puzzle.

    It would be counterproductive to breakup Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, and Eberle. Their Corsi domination will eventually turn into production. There is nothing wrong with Nugent-Hopkins. He is facing the vaunt at 19, which is accentuating a bit of a sophomore slump. Which is also why you don’t want to take Hall and Eberle away from him, since he is facing the vaunt at 19.

    Turns out Horcoff is a pretty important player.

    I believe Omark would have to clear waivers to return this year. He is a next year player only. The Oilers will never get a player for him, only a pick.

  68. Woodguy says:

    sliderule,

    We keep saying we are not tough enough and we sign Belanger instead of Konopka.

    The only question that Zenon Konopka is an answer to is :”Name a 4th line NHLer who is so bad at PKing that even though he was their best face off man, the NYI removed him from the PK”

    or

    “Name a 4th line NHLer who gets consistently gets outshot terribly by all other 4th line competition regardless of who he plays for?”

  69. BlacqueJacque says:

    godot10,

    Jason Spezza is a pretty important player. Karlsson is a pretty important player. Anderson is a pretty important player.

    Ottawa had not just maintained but accelerated its pace since losing the three.

    So either Horcoff is third line Jesus …

  70. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RE: Ott and Mont runs…

    I think we seriously need to take sample size into account. IIRC a pretty shitty Oiler team managed to look pretty damn good on the surface through the first dozen or so games last year.

  71. striatic says:

    at the beginning of the season i predicted finishing 11th in the West and 20th in the league and it looks more and more like this is where the team currently slots in the NHL pecking order.

    if the Oilers move from being the worst team in the league to being better than the bottom third of the league, that is a significant step forward in my books.

    pick up a top 10 first round draft pick, get RNH’s shoulder repaired, look for the positives and start truly building to win starting this summer.

    i don’t want to see a bottom five finish again, but i also don’t want to see a desperation trade in a futile attempt to reach the playoffs.

    “inertia” has its problems, but so too does desperation.

  72. justDOit says:

    As per Oilers twitter, Khabby tweaked groin on OT goal.

    Princepe: “It must be frustrating…”

    Well DUH! No, I’m really looking forward not being able to play for a while!

  73. Lucinius says:

    Part of Ottawa’s success with all the injuries its suffered actually ties into how well their organization is molded. Their minor league team plays the exact same system and style as the NHL team; down to set plays, even. This means when help arrives from the farm they already know how they fit in, they know what the system is and how to work within it.

    On most teams its not like that; you get players from the AHL suddenly having to play a different system or even a different style at the NHL level, which means they have to spend time adjusting back and forth.

  74. oilgreg says:

    A couple of comments related to recent posts;

    1. You don’t trade a draft pick UNTIL you know what is available with that pick. That is a rule Sam Pollock incorportated, and he certainly knew how to take advantage of those who didn’t. Burke should have followed this simple rule; he would still be employed.

    2. All those calling for Tambellini’s job: As Ken Holland has stated, it takes years to develop an organization. Again, a quality GM develops an organization. This is not a three or five year task. If one looks at the Oiler’s organization today, and compares it to where it was pre-Tambellini, well, it is pretty obvious he has done the job to a rather high level.

  75. striatic says:

    oilgreg: This is not a three or five year task. If one looks at the Oiler’s organization today, and compares it to where it was pre-Tambellini, well, it is pretty obvious he has done the job to a rather high level.

    i agree with everything else you’ve said but looking at where the organization as a whole was pre-Tambellini is setting an extremely low bar.

    the only acceptable point of comparison is where the organization stands relative to other organizations.

  76. justDOit says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    godot10,

    Jason Spezza is a pretty important player.Karlsson is a pretty important player.Anderson is a pretty important player.

    Ottawa had not just maintained but accelerated its pace since losing the three.

    So either Horcoff is third line Jesus …

    Yes, Sens and Habs are licking it up right now, but look at the other side of the eastern conf. Teams expected to be winning (Caps, Flyers, Rangers and Sabres) are not. I haven’t watched any eastern games for a while, but sometimes a win for one team is really a loss for the other.

    Let me explain what my flu-riddled mind was trying to say there. I was at a Flames/Flyers game a couple of years ago (free tix). This was the year when the Flyers floundered for a while before Laviolette stirred them up. Pronger was playing and Emery was in goal, for perspective. As bad as the Flames were that night, the Flyers were worse. I think it was 3 – 0 Flames.

    There’s a lot of crazy happening in the east this season, while the west is looking pretty much like what most experts predicted.

  77. maudite says:

    Name one other team that season over season enters and continues through it with a completely unbalanced roster like we have.

    Too many goalies
    Too many defenceman…etc

    Sending down better players, due to waiver issues, over replaceable level talent
    Devaluing assets in public forum to the point of worthless, rather than quietly figuring out a deal to get some value out of things (Souray, Omark, Whitney)

    Can we please stop even lightly defending this management team already. Their body of work is well below average and there is really no way to shine that turd up at all.

  78. stevezie says:

    The Oilers current failures show that the team was worse than I thought BEFORE the tank job. They were basically an expansion team. You ever notice that expansion GMs usually come off looking terrible? Maclean, Risebrough, Wadell… hell those teams are all still bad. (I know Nashville emerged, but… the exception that proves the rule.) When you start with nothing and no one wants to sign with you it is really hard to get good, even when you get the odd first overall.
    We may have overshot the “Fall for Hall.” Or maybe we were worse than I realised before that.

  79. stevezie says:

    Captain Obvious:
    As useless as Petrell is, the worst forward on the Oilers is Vandevelde.If they pick up a waiver claim they should get a center.

    But this is all talk because we all know that in Oilers world the problem isn’t that they don’t have enough speed and skill,the problem is they aren’t big enough.

    That they chose to keep VDV over plucking McCormick off waivers makes me think management agrees that bigger is not better. Or maybe they just didn’t like his contract.

    These are both laudable reasons, but couldn’t we trade for Mike Zigomanis or something? Sure it would be great to get someone good, but shouldn’t it be pretty easy to get a better version of VDV?

  80. hunter1909 says:

    stevezie: We may have overshot the “Fall for Hall.” Or maybe we were worse than I realised before that.

    What about having Horcoff’s albatross play, plus contract? What about having a player so wack, so utterly worthless at anything other than blowing Katz at “special” parties that they made him Captain!??

    You start with the premise that one rotten, stinking, festering piece of absolute mind-numbing worthlessness will/can/is guaranteed to plant seeds of failure in any organization.

    Oilers, for their part, have many, many more examples on this same sorry magnitude, which collectively add up to a perpetual suck.

    eg/ Khabibulin, Souray(LMAO asset management at it’s finest at work)…

  81. hunter1909 says:

    Of course anyone could chime in with the suckage that Oilers enjoy far too much at draft day, illuminated by the pathetic manner which they invariably go for…by not being open about their pick…like FFS it’s a big deal or something…

    Hooterville management.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    stevezie: That they chose to keep VDV over plucking McCormick off waivers makes me think management agrees that

    It simply wouldn’t be the OIlers. Not without several AHL level players snailing it up at the bottom of the perpetual tank.

  83. hunter1909 says:

    At least Kevin Lowe isn’t blaming the fans on the team’s woes anymore.

    Not in public, at least.

  84. striatic says:

    hunter1909: At least Kevin Lowe isn’t blaming the fans on the team’s woes anymore.
    Not in public, at least.

    when did he do that?

  85. Zipdot says:

    Clay: How great is it that the Oilers went from a last place team, to a team now that has so much scoring depth that they can bury an offensive talent in Europe who just happens to lead a major pro league in scoring?

    From last place team,
    to last place team who is burying a player in Europe! Cool!

  86. Clay says:

    oilgreg:
    A couple of comments related to recent posts;

    1. You don’t trade a draft pick UNTIL you know what is available with that pick. That is a rule Sam Pollock incorportated, and he certainly knew how to take advantage of those who didn’t. Burke should have followed this simple rule;he would still be employed.

    2. All those calling for Tambellini’s job: As Ken Holland has stated, it takes years to develop an organization. Again, a quality GM develops an organization. This is not a three or five year task. If one looks at the Oiler’s organization today, and compares it to where it was pre-Tambellini, well, it is pretty obvious he has done the job to a rather high level.

    I have to respectfully disagree with you. To your first point, that makes sense with first round picks, and potentially second round picks. After that, draft picks have much less return.

    Just for instance, from 2000-2009, the Oilers drafted 65 players in the 3rd round or later. The only players of any note were Matt Lombardi (who went in a redraft), Jussi Markkanen, Brodziak, Peckham, Omark, and Hartikainen. So, that’s six players that are either marginal NHLers or have the potential to become one.

    Who of these six would you say is better or will be better than Fistric is right now? Brodziak, and maybe Hartikainen. Omark, if he does something with his sideburns.

    So, imho, if you can turn a later-round draft pick into a player with an established NHL level of ability, you do it without hesitation. Why would you not take an NHL player over a 1 in 20 chance at an NHL player?

    To your second point, I totally would love to see this organization develop into a top-notch one. But exactly what has Tambo done at an “exceptionally high level” to do that? Set up the team with their own AHL affiliate? That’s a bare-minimum requirement for an NHL team.

    He certainly hasn’t brought in a proper “develop from within” strategy like you’ll find in Detroit. If so, how do you explain them throwing guys like Lander and MPS to the wolves long before they’re ready to handle the NHL game?

    He also hasn’t stocked the farm team with depth that can help out the NHL team when injuries hit. As well, he’s shown that, when injuries do hit, he’s perfectly willing to do nothing and let the loses pile up rather than bring in proper help.

    How about the fact that he’s on his fourth coach in 5 years?

  87. RMGS says:

    So, tomorrow not only could 91 be taken off the line he may have helped miraculously turn around (for one game, I know) but he could also sit for “is Mental.”

    What happened to the rational roster moves, coach?

  88. godot10 says:

    stevezie: That they chose to keep VDV over plucking McCormick off waivers makes me think management agrees that bigger is not better. Or maybe they just didn’t like his contract.

    These are both laudable reasons, but couldn’t we trade for Mike Zigomanis or something? Sure it would be great to get someone good, but shouldn’t it be pretty easy to get a better version of VDV?

    You realize that McCormick has another full year left on his contract, and there is a 50-contract limit, and the Oilers have a lot of prospects to sign.

    The Oilers don’t need more marginal players. The difference between Vandevelde and McCormick for a month isn’t worth adding a one-way contract for a full extra year.

    The Oilers are not winning or losing because of the difference between Vandevelde and McCormick.

  89. denny33 says:

    ST was hired in 2008. We are approaching a half decade of work…

    Someone mentioned we only have two lines really….and I agree.

    However, that got me thinking… and it hurt – trust me.

    And I am just asking …

    Is our 2nd line productive at even strength ?

  90. FrankenOil says:

    godot10,

    I should re-phrase that if the Oilers are in a playoff position (or are within spitting distance), then getting a player with term left and fits in with the group for that draft pick should be worth looking into. The roster needs actual, established players and not a potential player. I know as Oiler fans the past 4 years we’ve been conditioned to place a higher value on draft picks than actual players but that mentality has to change. Imagine the message trading a first round pick for a good NHLplayer will send to Hall, Ebs, etc? That message has an intangible value.

    What if, as an example, that first rounder could fetch a good young player (say Jonathan Bernier) and a potential UFA who could be re-signed (Penner)? Is that not something worth investigating?

    Also, I agree that this draft is deep, but outside of the top 6 or 7 guys, there is very little consensus on how the next 25-35 players fit. We have the 2 second rounders this year and should be able to find some good players in that round that can continue to add to the organizational depth.

  91. icecastles says:

    oilgreg: You don’t trade a draft pick UNTIL you know what is available with that pick

    Colin Powell said in his excellent book that the time to make a decision is when you have 50% of the information. You must gather enough facts to have an informed opinion. However if you wait until you have all the facts, the situation will have changed, your early information will be outdated, and the opportunity lost.

    What you are advocating sounds very much in line with what has appeared to be Tambellini’s thinking and at odds with the Colin Powell perspective. Trades are risky business: you don’t have all the info ever: whether it be a pick or a player being traded. What the pick will turn into, if a player will progress or regress, if he is near his peak or already hit it, how he will mesh with new teammates and a new system, if he will get injured on his first game with the new team.

    In playing a long game, patience is an asset and this is where an ‘evaluator’ like Tambellini had some cachet. They were building for a team that would become a contender for a long-time, not be a flash in the proverbial pan.

    However in professional sports, even the so-called long-term is only a few years. Your young stars become veterans, your veterans retire, and you look back on eight years of only ever having half a team.

    It’s hard to let go of sure things and known good players for deals that may or may not work out. But if you’re not willing to take a calculated risk, to make the hard decision, and to leverage the 50% you know against the 50% you don’t know, you don’t belong in a competitive business, and you certainly don’t belong in management.

  92. FrankenOil says:

    denny33,

    It begs the question, which is our 2nd line? No one is productive at ES save Hall

  93. oilgreg says:

    Clay,

    You are correct, I should have clarified my comment regarding trading a draft pick without knowing the actual player value. I, like you suggested, talking about 1st round picks. I love the trade for Fistric, which involved a 3rd round selection.

    As far as your comments regarding organizational depth, the farm team – the feeder pool for quality organizations – that tambellini inherited consisted of one player that today is an NHL’er, Dubnyk. Not one skater!

    I know that Toronto attempted to hire Holland back when they gave their GM job to Burke. Holland turned the position down because they wanted an instant winner. You can’t deliver that. The cuurent Oiler’s team has much more promise that the 2008 edition, and the organizational depth is much deeper than in 2008. I belive these are the standards in which you judge a GM.

    I

  94. oilgreg says:

    icecastles: Colin Powell said in his excellent book that the time to make a decision is when you have 50% of the information. You must gather enough facts to have an informed opinion. However if you wait until you have all the facts, the situation will have changed, your early information will be outdated, and the opportunity lost.

    What you are advocating sounds very much in line with what has appeared to be Tambellini’s thinking and at odds with the Colin Powell perspective. Trades are risky business: you don’t have all the info ever: whether it be a pick or a player being traded. What the pick will turn into, if a player will progress or regress, if he is near his peak or already hit it, how he will mesh with new teammates and a new system, if he will get injured on his first game with the new team.

    Trading a 1st round pick – especially this year – when you do not know the value of that pick (is it a top three or a 20-30 pick?) would be stupid.

  95. godot10 says:

    FrankenOil:
    godot10,

    I should re-phrase that if the Oilers are in a playoff position (or are within spitting distance), then getting a player with term left and fits in with the group for that draft pick should be worth looking into. The roster needs actual, established players and not a potential player. I know as Oiler fans the past 4 years we’ve been conditioned to place a higher value on draft picks than actual players but that mentality has to change. Imagine the message trading a first round pick for a good NHLplayer will send to Hall, Ebs, etc? That message has an intangible value.

    What if, as an example, that first rounder could fetch a good young player (say Jonathan Bernier) and a potential UFA who could be re-signed (Penner)? Is that not something worth investigating?

    Also,I agree that this draft is deep, but outside of the top 6 or 7 guys, there is very little consensus on how the next 25-35 players fit. We have the 2 second rounders this year and should be able to find some good players in that round that can continue to add to the organizational depth.

    The Oilers need a legit top 4 defensemen. The price of a legit top 4 defenseman as a UFA (see Wideman) or trade (Gagner was wanted for Hjallmarssson) is basicaly extreme. That is there need.
    Marginally improving the goaltending or marginally improving the forwards won’t make an effing difference. They need a real legit top 4 D.

    You don’t trade 1st round draft picks to make the playoffs, and a 1st round draft pick isn’t going to get you a legit top 4 defenseman in the middle of the season (except perhaps one on an expiring contract headed towards UFA stats).

    The Oilers don’t really have the depth to trade for a legit top 4 D. The better play of Hemsky and Gagner have restored some of their value.

    The Oilers need to keep their 1st this year to draft a centre to replace Gagner in two years, when the Oilers will not be able to afford to keep Gagner.

  96. oilgreg says:

    icecastles,

    Trading a 1st round pick – especially this year – when you do not know the value of that pick (is it a top three or a 20-30 pick?) would be stupid.

  97. delooper says:

    icecastles,

    Regarding the time to make a decision — it depends on the type of decision you’re trying to make. If you’re trying to prove a theorem, you make your decision when you have 100% of the information. If you’re convicting someone for murder, you demand all the information you can get (assign percentages as you wish). If you’re Colin Powell and you’re just killing foreigners in a land you don’t care about, yeah, 50% is apparently just about right! When I’m buying groceries, I’m happy with very little information. Price, some quality constraints. Do I want to know where it was grown? Not very often. Do I want to know if anyone was murdered to get my pineapple into my fridge? I never even ask that question. So for groceries, I’m content with maybe 5% of the information.

    I think with a hockey team, the percentage of information required depends on the type of transaction. They’re pretty careful with 1st overall picks. Not so careful with 7th round picks.

  98. icecastles says:

    oilgreg,

    Not necessarily. A pick is always a gamble: even if it turns out to be a third overall pick, that pick could get hurt or turn out to be a bust. Look at DiPietro. Are you telling me that if we had a chance to get Shea Weber for our first round pick (not going to happen of course, but for the sake of the argument) that it would be stupid simply because you don’t know if our pick could one day be better than the player coming back? That’s painting with far too broad of a brush.

    Again: if you wait until you have every knowable fact, you have waited too long.

  99. icecastles says:

    delooper: you’re just killing foreigners in a land you don’t care about

    So your argument is to take a bunch of wildly inapplicable examples (“proving a theorem”; “killing foreigners”), then point out that your own bad examples don’t really apply?

    You lost me at hyperbole.

  100. delooper says:

    All this couchside 2nd guessing of management seems a little silly to me. We don’t know the situation in the OIlers head office. We don’t know if they’ve really missed any opportunities or not, and we don’t know how those opportunities would have turned out. Why make all this speculation when regardless of your opinions, it will never be of any consequence?

  101. delooper says:

    Had there been a gorgeous woman on the sidewalk when I was commuting to work this morning (there wasn’t but that’s beside the point) and had I not stopped and chatted with said hypothetical woman, I would have felt very bad about the potential for a magnificent relationship that I could have missed!

  102. icecastles says:

    delooper,

    Because we’re hockey fans, silly. Why watch the game at all? We discuss it and debate it because it’s interesting, fun, and compelling. No management team is making any trades or signings based on what you or I or any other commentor says: it’s cool. (good thing too, because most of us are speaking out of our asses most of the time. Me especially.)

    As to knowing if they have missed opportunities: a number of years ago I was railing that they didn’t trade Souray after his banner year in the Oilers (his second, I beleive). Secondary signs all pointed to the potential that he was an unhappy camper, and any look at his boxcars said he would never match his numbers again. He could have been traded for huge return. Instead, he got hurt, relationship went south, they buried him , bought him out and got nothing. Signing Khabibulin for crazy money in a summer that was a buyer’s market for goalies. Losing Omark and now apparently Whitney for nothing due at least in part to poor handling of assets.

    These aren’t even ‘decisions’ you can lay at the feet of rebuilding: these are, by any and all metrics, extremely bad handling of company assets. If your firm has excess cash, you can buy equipment, you can use it to fund other initiatives, you can upgrade equipment, or you can invest it for the future if you don’t want to spend it now. Our management team beleives you should burn it.

    Consider management officially second-guessed.

  103. godot10 says:

    icecastles,

    It is sort of delusional to think that Souray was ever a tradeable commodity, even after his good 2nd year.

    Kevin Lowe was the only one stupid enough to offer him a free agent contract, after an even better year than that 2nd year in Edmonton. The Souray contract was basically toxic. It was not a tradeable contract.

  104. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles: Because we’re hockey fans, silly. Why watch the game at all? We discuss it and debate it because it’s interesting, fun, and compelling. No management team is making any trades or signings based on what you or I or any other commentor says: it’s cool. (good thing too, because most of us are speaking out of our asses most of the time. Me especially.)
    As to knowing if they have missed opportunities: a number of years ago I was railing that they didn’t trade Souray after his banner year in the Oilers (his second, I beleive). Secondary signs all pointed to the potential that he was an unhappy camper, and any look at his boxcars said he would never match his numbers again. He could have been traded for huge return. Instead, he got hurt, relationship went south, they buried him , bought him out and got nothing. Signing Khabibulin for crazy money in a summer that was a buyer’s market for goalies. Losing Omark and now apparently Whitney for nothing due at least in part to poor handling of assets.
    These aren’t even ‘decisions’ you can lay at the feet of rebuilding: these are, by any and all metrics, extremely bad handling of company assets. If your firm has excess cash, you can buy equipment, you can use it to fund other initiatives, you can upgrade equipment, or you can invest it for the future if you don’t want to spend it now. Our management team beleives you should burn it.

    That’s believes, btw. No need to thank me.

  105. delooper says:

    godot10:
    icecastles,
    It is sort of delusional to think that Souray was ever a tradeable commodity, even after his good 2nd year.

    Colin Powell would have dropped a bomb on Souray.

  106. hunter1909 says:

    delooper: Colin Powell would have dropped a bomb on Souray.

    George Bush I would have issued an executive order stopping Powell from completing that mission; leaving Bush II to destroy the essence of American democracy with, among other things the Patriot Act.

  107. icecastles says:

    godot10,

    godot10: It is sort of delusional to think that Souray was ever a tradeable commodity, even after his good 2nd year.

    At the trade deadline in his second year, I think he could have been moved. While I wouldn’t go so far as to say the notion of him as tradable is delusional, I agree the contract was an overpay. Nevertheless, trade deadlines and playoff hopes make a lot of GMs desperate and delusional. Some would surrender a lot for a tough defenseman who was hitting and scoring like 44 was that year when they start getting Stanley Cups in their eyes.

    It’s worth noting that not trading him was far from the worst part of the Souray saga. By the time it ended, that whole debacle had cast a long shadow over the reputation of this team in the eyes of players and their agents.

    hunter1909,

    Yeah I caught that right after I posted it. Thanks. (no need to thank me for thanking you)

  108. FrankenOil says:

    godot10,

    Again, as I stated prior, I’d trade the pick IF we were near a playoff spot, that option has to be considered if you can get something that helps going forward. Steve Downie and Kyle Quincey went for (the same) 1st rounder last year and that was in a weak draft. Imagine what the Oilers pick (a pick in the 12th to 18th range if they are in contention) could fetch? I would wager someone with much more upside than Quincey. Again, I will point to the fact outside of the top-6 or 7 guys, it is a complete mystery as to where guys are rated. I’ve seen Lazar at 11 all the way to 26. If he were there at 26, I would certainly think the 2 seconds could get them to 26 to get him.

    Stockpiling futures at the expense of the present is Islanders-esque. We have the top-end talent, now we need to start filling in the gaps with ACTUAL NHL players. I don’t care if it’s a Top-4 d-man or a quality top-9 forward, as long as the player still has some team control and it improves the roster now and going forward, it should be investigated. Throwing up a brick wall and completely shutting down any trade options for the 1st is narrow minded. Also, being an actual playoff team with young talent holds cache with UFA’s. Making the playoffs and looking dangerous, does that suddenly make Getzlaf think long and hard about coming here? I think it certainly does.

  109. Spydyr says:

    Mr.Dithers cannot operate a remote.How do you expect him to operate a phone?

  110. delooper says:

    hunter1909: George Bush I would have issued an executive order stopping Powell from completing that mission;

    Tambellini needs a pro scout named Curveball, who plagarizes his scouting reports from M.Sc thesis…

  111. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I wonder if Gillis is being made to suffer for that Malholtra IR:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=14642&navid=nhl:topheads

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I think the OilersLand guy needs to adapt this extended Iraq War metaphor into his next comic.

  113. Jon K says:

    I know it would be a lot of work and a large undertaking, but I find myself wondering about the ability of the Edmonton Oilers to effectively swap NHL talent under the (continuing) Lowe regime. It seems that, more often than not, when they try to make a significant move, they almost always seem to be acquiring assets declining in value or making a trade that doesn’t reflect the value of the asset moving out.

    The Pronger trade is a whole series of posts by itself, but it seems that we turned that into Smid, Eberle, and a series of trades leading to the hockey equivalent of one red paperclip. Lupul and Smith turned into PItkanen and Abney. Pitkanen to Cole, Cole for O’Sullivan and a 2nd. POS for Vandermeer, the 2nd for a few weeks of Kotalik.

    Similarly, we traded Stoll and Greene (now Stanley champs) for Lubo. Lubo was turned into Whitney. And now, if reports are to be believed, there is no market for Whitney and we are likely to let him walk or get a meager return.

    The Penner trade seems to have gone well enough, but the jury is still out on Teubert, Klefbom, and Zharkov.

    In any case, my general point is that I don’t really have any faith that the Oilers will make a trade that both improves the current roster and also gets equal value for the asset going out. Faced with the situation, my preference, subject to the management being canned, is for intertia.

  114. Jon K says:

    Jon K,

    I forgot to mention, any analysis of the Penner trade would also have to include the value of the time he put in here, as well as the picks that were made with his offer sheet picks. By my recollection those picks were Tyler Myers (1st), Justice Schultz (2nd) and Kirill Petrov (3rd).

  115. B S says:

    justDOit:
    B S,

    I just meant that it might be a way of protecting NK while a deal is hashed out – but I guess it might be violating some IR rules. I know it sounds pathetically optimistic…

    I think under those circumstances Tambi could have simply asked Krueger not to play him for a few days. And never be optimistic about a trade with Tambellini running the show. It’s very telling when Marc Fistric is a pleasant surprise.

  116. hunter1909 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    I think the OilersLand guy needs to adapt this extended Iraq War metaphor into his next comic.

    PRESIDENT TAMBELLINI ADDRESSES THE(Oilers) NATION: “We’re in for a 30 year rebuild. And we don’t want anyone drawing lines in the sand”.

  117. oilgreg says:

    icecastles,

    I think that we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. As you said, you’re not going to get a Weber (or a Crosby, Stamkos or Travaras) for your first pick, so there is no use going there. I stick by my statement that you don’t trade that first pick until you know its value.

    History speaks to this; the best player Monteal ever drafted should have been a California Golden Seal. The best player drafted by Boston (Orr was pre-draft days) should have been a LA King. Not many people can name the players traded for the picks that turned into Guy Lafleur nor Ray Bourque.

    Go back to last year – would you trade Colorado’s average tender for Filip Forsberg ?

  118. Gret99zky says:

    As Hunter pointed out, it’s status quo until #4 quietly asks for a trade out of Arkham.

  119. stevezie says:

    godot10,

    And you of course realise that in my post I made both of your points? That McCormick isn’t that good and has a bad contract?

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