KNUCKLE PUCK

Word late last night that Shawn Horcoff has a broken knuckle, so the Oilers depth at center–already poor–is down to greenhorns and wunderkinds. As of this morning, here are the NHL GP totals for the likely 4C’s for tomorrow night’s game:

  1. RNH 71
  2. Sam Gagner 375
  3. Anton Lander 59
  4. Chris VandeVelde 17

The word this morning on Horcoff’s injury is that it is going to be awhile, and with Belanger out for at least this week the club is going to need some innovation. If the next game was Saturday it might make sense to airlift someone in–an experienced center–and if both Horcoff and Belanger are going to be out for a long time then they’ll have to make a trade today.

This is Steve Tambellini. Bet VandeVelde.

The positives as I see it (corsi numbers via Boys on the Bus):

  • Despite being matched up against the Sedin line, Hall (-2 Corsi), Nuge (-2) and Eberle (-3) had a solid game. Hall kept a furious pace for much of the night.
  • Dennis King scoring chances had the overall totals dead even  (18-18, Oilers 16-15 outside ST). 
  • Dubnyk played a helluva game despite the two regulation goals being the kind you’d like the G to stop. Sounds weird I know, but DD is 9th in the NHL in SP and was splendid on stopping the actual scoring chances. I’m of the mind to suggest that the Bieksa goal was a seeing eye single and unless Hasek wants to come back goals like the one Hansen let in are part of the game. I’m still onside with Dubnyk, although checking twitter he’s taking some heat.
  • Lander (+3), Paajarvi (+2) and Hartikainen (-1) had a nice game and RK rewarded Paajarvi with some late shifts. If those three kids can turn a corner together, that’s going to represent a helluva development year no matter the standings. A word of caution, though: the famous Bulldog line that started the 2000-01 season together  ended up producing only one actual NHL player (Daniel Cleary) while the other two (Brian Swanson, Michel Riesen) were cups of coffee.
  • Justin Schultz is a wonderful player.

The Oilers making moves in summer is one thing, but in-season problem solving (Gilbert for Schultz the elder, etc) isn’t a strength. Last summer’s list is a good one:

  • June 11: Oilers hire MacT as Senior Vice-President of Hockey Operations.
  • June 19: Signed Lennart Petrell to a 1-year, $825,000 contract.
  • June 27: Named Ralpk Krueger head coach.
  • July 1: Won the Justin Schultz sweepstakes.
  • July 1: Signed Ryan Smyth to a 2-year, $4.5M contract.
  • July 1: Signed Darcy Hordichuk to a 1-year, $850,000 contract.
  • July 1: Signed Yann Danis to a 1-year, 2-way contract.
  • July 5: Signed Jeff Petry to a 2-year, $3.5M contract.
  • July 5: Signed Devan Dubnyk to a 2-year, $7M contract.
  • July 16: Signed Theo Peckham to a 1-year, $1.075M contract.
  • July 20: Signed Sam Gagner to a 1-year, $3.2M contract.
  • August 22: Signed Taylor Hall to a 7-year, $42M contract.
  • August 30: Signed Jordan Eberle to a 6-year, $36M contract.

You could add the Fistric deal to the bottom there, but that’s a pretty nice group of deals. Not all are positive, but there are some nice additions. I’m hoping we see the MacT factor in whatever they do, and for obvious reasons believe the VV callup is the likely solution.

However, if this team is serious about the post-season, a well timed pickup of this generation’s Marty Reasoner would be a welcome item this day.

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  1. tcho says:

    Amen. I think it’s time to start trading some future assets (judiciously – I’m not talking Eberle here), for some help now. Especially if you could get a Marty Reasoner type that could be an unglamorous contributor for years going forward.

  2. sliderule says:

    Why not give Arcobello a shot.

    They aren’t using the fourth line for checking.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if he gave that line some offensive pop as they are usually out against the other teams fourth.

  3. blackdog says:

    You could get Tim Connolly or Steckel out of Toronto for a song.

  4. tubes says:

    Can’t understand the Dubnyk hating. He’s getting us points by himself some nights. Most saves in the NHL, great save percentage and giving them a chance to win every night. Every goalie lets in bad goals like the Hansen one. With average goaltending this I bet we have 3-4 less points.

  5. wunderbar says:

    Jason Arnott, anyone?

    Sure he failed one physical but I’d be willing to take a chance.

  6. Rocknrolla says:

    Watched the Hall penalty shot again in slow mo. He clearly picks the five hole beating louongo clean. Lou got lucky. The puck hit his stick, then he slightly reacted. That’s why he made it look easy. He didn’t even see it.
    So I give him a mulligan on that one. He said they watch tape, he picked the right spot. Just missed slightly.
    Soon he will bury all of these…great times ahead!

  7. Chris Hext---formerly EasyOil--- says:

    Which players do you see as viable trade targets LT? Any teams in a situation where they could flip a center for something of the Oilers?

  8. FrankenOil says:

    Anyone know how long Fistric is out? Also, if he’s out on Wednesday, should Whitney or Peckham draw in?

  9. bookjLe says:

    Twitter doesn’t understand hockey very well if its complaining about Dubnyk. Dubnyks might need some dramatic flair lessons on making routine saves look spectacular, is Cujo around to teach that round-the-world glove thing he used to do every second save?

  10. Max Powers says:

    @bookje

    I thought it was Ranford who patented that?

    I say the oil ship Peckman for a proven veteran center on a 2 year contact, soon. Like in the next couple days.

  11. Clay says:

    RE: Dubnyk – I didn’t notice it until later last night, but that second goal was redirected by Hall’s skate. My first impression was the same as yours LT, that it was a bit soft, but it definitely changed directions, and only slightly, so I think it was a much harder shot to stop than it appeared. Dubnyk would agree. :)

    The Horcoff injury is going to very quickly expose a couple of things, I think. FIrst, the multitude of Horcoff haters will see how valuable he is to this team. His penalty killing has always been first rate, and this year he’s been as good as ever. Not to mention the faceoffs.

    Second, and more interesting to me, is we’ll see if Tambo is serious about winning this year, or if he’s content to just let the season bomb in favor of another high draft pick. There are some free agent stop-gaps available, or he could pull a trade.

    Either way, if he stands pat, we have our answer, and if he stands pat, this fanbase should be outraged.

    I mean, guys like Arnott and Brendan Morrison are out there, would not cost much, you wouldn’t have to commit long term, and having a veteran around for the rest of the year pushes VV and Lander back to OKC for the year, which is better for their development anyway.

    Lastly – is RNH hurt? He doesn’t look right.

  12. russ99 says:

    Clay,

    In keeping with your “let the seson bomb” point , it kind of unnerved me to watch that part in the new Oil Change where Oilers brass twiddled their thumbs on July 1st, when a few astute moves could have made a difference.

    Going into this compressed schedule as thin as they are at center and bottom six options, you knew it was going to bite us before too long. God help us if Dubnyk gets hurt…

    I get how the focus is all about the kids, but at some point they’ll need help from good players who can perform a specialist role.

  13. bookjLe says:

    There are a lot of considerations in the management strategy at this point.

    What are the benefits of making the playoffs this year in Edmonton – Experience for the Young guys, possibility that things gel and the team makes it through a round or two, Improved reputation around the league thus helping to sign FAs in the future. I don’t see fan support as an issue in Edmonton so I didn’t include that.

    The benefits of not making the playoffs is an improved draft pick (in all rounds) in a deep draft.

    The costs of getting a viable 3rd line center is probably a 2nd round pick. That impacts the future in a negative way. With that said, a veteran coming in could also help provide some leadership in the room.

    So, if one is taking a long term view of things, what should the Oilers do, address the missing 3rd line centre or let some of the OKC guys fill in to see what they have at the NHL level?

    If they do try and fill it, how hard should they try – what should they be willing to give up?

  14. jeff173 says:

    General Question on the Amnesty Buyout this summer, could a team like Washington but out Alex Ovechkin for 2/3rds of his contract cost, then sign him to a deal that’s equal to the other 1/3, basically paying him the same for 1/3rd of the cap hit?

  15. Ryan says:

    bookjLe,

    With what Edmonton has been picking with their seconds lately, the cost might not be so high. :)

  16. HiddenDarts says:

    sliderule:
    Why not give Arcobello a shot.

    They aren’t using the fourth line for checking.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if he gave that line some offensive pop as they are usually out against the other teams fourth.

    I’m in full agreement with this. Vandevelde is a plug, basically. A Belanger-triangle like void of offense.

    And is it me, or does Corey Potter just look awful out there? Just plain horrendous. I’d frankly rather see Peckham out there at this point. Potter is looking way too “Barker-esque” for words.

  17. Woodguy says:

    jeff173:
    General Question on the Amnesty Buyout this summer, could a team like Washington but out Alex Ovechkinfor 2/3rds of his contract cost, then sign him to a deal that’s equal to the other 1/3, basically paying him the same for 1/3rd of the cap hit?

    In the last CBA a team that bought out a player could not re-sign him.

    Fairly sure its the same in the new CBA, but not 100%.

    In there to avoid cap shenanigans like what you mention.

  18. jfry says:

    On face offs:

    - it appears our wonder bunch is trying to win draws clean and straight back. Looks fancy when it works but totally ineffective the 70% it doesn’t.

    - is there a stat for face off percentage for wingers? They’re not doing anything to help the situation. Penner was a great tool in helping win draws because of his huge reach and strength.

    If I’m tambo I’m on the phone to get Steckel and Penner, both at a minimal cost.

  19. jfry says:

    HiddenDarts,

    Potter is a good ahl dman and playing to that level. That he’s forced into the lineup says more about mgt than potter.

  20. DawnM says:

    jeff173,

    No. If a player is bought out, can’t be signed by the same team.

  21. knighttown says:

    This faceoff story is turning into THE problem on this team. From NHL.com, in reverse order for all guys with over 100 draws:

    1. Mike Ribeiro 35.7%
    2. Sam Gagner 37.5%
    3. Anton Lander 38.9% (doesn’t qualify)
    4. Dave Bolland 39.5%
    5. Frans Nielson 40.6%
    6. Ryan Nugent Hopkins 41.7%

    Absolutely impossible to win consistently with these numbers especially on special teams. Penalty kill almost has to collapse, and very soon.

  22. FrankenOil says:

    On the radio earlier this morning, they floated the idea of petrell in the middle. It is intriguing but would it work?

    Also, I compiled a list of UFA forwards that may be of some interest:

    blair betts
    daymond langkow
    jason arnott
    brendan morrisson
    dominic moore
    radek dvorak
    mathieu darche

    I know some of these names have been mentioned already in this thread. I would:

    a)trade pecks for a pick or junior aged player
    b)then, waive hordichuk
    c) sign 2 of those UFA players
    d) offer moore a prorated 2 mill deal (or even 2.5 to maybe entice him)
    e) sign either darche or dvorak
    f) If moore doesn’t want to play this year, offer langkow a cheap 1 year deal
    g) Sign one of Randy Jones or Brett Clarke to a 2-way NHL contract

    The Oilers, by my count (courtesy of capgeek) after the Fistric trade, still have 2 more contracts under the 50 limit. Dumping Peckham for futures (draft pick or junior/college player) would take it to 3 spots thus allowing the Oilers to add a lot of NHL depth to the organization.

  23. RexLibris says:

    I wouldn’t move any picks for a veteran center. Belanger is only out a week, and Vande Velde has more value than I think some fans realize, provided he plays a depth role and isn’t required to do more than is expected of Petrell.

    Maybe a veteran FA is available, but I’d run Lander and Vande Velde for the week until Belanger returns, then send the underperforming one back to OKC, and just try to stay on the path until Horcoff returns.

    For this draff year, and given the team’s somewhat underwhelming collection of developing depth prospects, there is no way I move a pick this year. I’d argue that Whitney and perhaps Jones (reluctantly) will need to be shopped at the deadline in order to add to the potential draft haul.

    There is no need to mortgage the future of this team just to race back to the middle of the pack.

  24. hunter1909 says:

    Hope Kreuger gives MPS a chance to play centre in practice and sees what I see the potential for: a chaos inducing defensively responsible Swede. Of course this won’t happen. What do I know?

    Whitney/Khabibulin ever playing against anyone other than Columbus is scary.

    Ironically, this team probably likes Pat Quinn who sticks Hartski/MPS on the top six for muscle, while wearing suits made out of acres and acres of wooly material.

  25. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    They try VV and then the Hall experiment begins.

  26. Bos8 says:

    I’ve wanted someone to try MPS at center forever. I keep dreaming of a High Speed Chaos line – MPS, Hall and Hemsky blasting up the ice. They wouldn’t know what they were doing but neither would anyone else

  27. In the Grease says:

    I’m a little confused as to why Jason Arnott is being brought up as a suggestion? The Rangers were pro-active in seeking him out, had a contract drawn up, and then he FAILS his medical…. knee and shoulder issues last season, arthroscopic knee surgery this past summer, and can’t pass a physical. Are people hoping the Oilers medical staff is just going to be more loosey-goosey and give him a green light, because the team needs a center?

    With all the concern regarding Whitney’s ankle (and connections to his poor play), Peckham’s conditioning (hasn’t played a game yet), why would we want a player who has both injury issues, and – after not having played a game since April of last year – probably conditioning issues as well?

  28. In the Grease says:

    Anyone have a current number for VV’s faceoff percentage in the A? Can’t seem to find it anywhere…. just curious.

  29. bookjLe says:

    In the Grease:
    I’m a little confused as to why Jason Arnott is being brought up as a suggestion? The Rangers were pro-active in seeking him out, had a contract drawn up, and then he FAILS his medical…. knee and shoulder issues last season, arthroscopic knee surgery this past summer, and can’t pass a physical. Are people hoping the Oilers medical staff is just going to be more loosey-goosey and give him a green light, because the team needs a center?

    Ralph Krueger will just have a talk with Arnott’s knee and shoulder and all will be well.

  30. Captain Obvious says:

    There is no reason for the Oilers not to try and make the players.

    There is no reason for the Oilers not to sign one of the available free agents. From afar all of these guys are better than Lander, VDV, or Petrell. The Oilers need more average to good players. Fortunately there are a number of average to good players out there better than what the Oilers already have. In addition to signing two forwards to one year contracts they should also sign Campoli.

    You couldn’t get a bag of pucks for Peckham. Trading him is a pipe dream. Trading Whitney, on the other hand, is a fantastic idea.

    So sign Langkow and Campoli.
    Trade Whitney for whatever depth player you can get. If you can get Steckel for him that would be great.
    Release Hordichuk, send Peckham to the minors.

  31. Gerta Rauss says:

    I found a thread at Calgary Puck discussing Langkow’s retirement-announced about 3 weeks ago. So we can cross him off the list.

  32. Ducey says:

    I for one will be pissed if the Oilers give up any of their future for a bandaid.

    Arnott, Steckel or anyone else that can be got “for a song” isn’t going to replace Horcoff.

    This team is not that good. They are riding the 4th best PP and 5th best PK. However, they are 14th in shots and 29th in SOG against. They are also 29th in FO%.

  33. VOR says:

    You can take Moore off that list of possibles as well – his wife just died of liver cancer and he has made it clear hockey is not in his immediate plans.

    Arnott (failed physical)
    Langkow (retired)
    Moore (bereavement)

  34. Jesse says:

    Lowetide,

    Can you explain how there can be such a disparity in the shot totals vs Dennis king’s scoring chances? Is it that the Dys were taking half their shots from outside an opportune area? It didn’t seem that way by eye. It looked like the Oilers were thoroughly dominated. I’m willing to accept that my perception might not be accurate, but the disparity between the two stats seems too big.

  35. Matt.N says:

    Ducey:
    I for one will be pissed if the Oilers give up any of their future for a bandaid.

    Arnott, Steckel or anyone else that can be got “for a song” isn’t going to replace Horcoff.

    This team is not that good.They are riding the 4th best PP and 5th best PK.However, they are 14th in shots and 29th in SOG against. They are also 29th in FO%.

    Agreed. I think that they are about the 10th – 12th best team in the west at even strength. If you assume that the goaltending and special teams don’t regress I can see a bump up a few places. Lots has to break right to fight for 8th.

  36. Clay says:

    VOR:
    You can take Moore off that list of possibles as well – his wife just died of liver cancer and he has made it clear hockey is not in his immediate plans.

    Arnott (failed physical)
    Langkow (retired)
    Moore (bereavement)

    Ugh, that’s horrible. Fuck, but does cancer suck.

  37. sliderule says:

    Arcobello is 11 th in scoring in -AHL.

    He is 5ft9and 165lbs.

    Martin st Louis is listed at 5ft8and 180lbs.if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

    The point is that small guys can play as long as they are given a role that they fit.

    VV is a marginal AHL player .

    Give the chance to Arcobello

  38. hunter1909 says:

    sliderule: Give the chance to Arcobello

    No more: Dwarves, Elves, Midgets, Small players “who play with heart”(meaning 10-15 games before getting flattened/injured/sussed out and rendered useless etc) please.

    Patently obvious to me is the reality the current team is getting bullied by big older meaner teams. Adding more tiny tots to Gagner et al is Jumping The Shark.

    PS: The only thing that scares me more than reading some of the fantasists who post on this board who call for a no-fighting, no hitting ballet NHL is the thought the management might be stupid enough to think the same way. Sure, like the refs will protect the brave little smurfs, because the PC thing is to ice them, no matter what the outcome. Give me a break.

    The Reality: Either management figures out what to do with this team in a hurry, or inside 18 months wtf happens, when knee injuries start piling up in the top six.

  39. wunderbar says:

    I’d argue that if you want to take a chance on Arcobello the right place for him is in the top six. he’s small and that’s not a problem, but I don’t know if he’d work with the bigger bodies on a bottom six role. If it was Gagner who was hurt instead of Belanger I’d say bring up Arcrobello and stick him between yak and hemsky and see what he can do, but I’m not sure a defensive role between Smyth and Petrell or MPS and harski are the best use of his skill set.

  40. BlacqueJacque says:

    Yeah, Horc’s spot is going to VV or Lander. I imagine VV so as not to ruin the Nordic’s budding chemistry.

  41. Captain Obvious says:

    wunderbar,

    Hockey is hockey. The best player for a “top” line role is also the best player for a “bottom” line role. If Arcobello is a better hockey player than VDV then they should call him up.

    But what they really should do is trade a later round pick for Tim Connolly.

  42. Bos8 says:

    I’ve been pleased with Smyth’s play. He’s working his way back, doing an honest job and no sign of pouting.

    That, to me is leadership.

    Agreed with above- For God’s sake, some size and grit down the middle please. Even if it’s a temporary fix.

  43. Captain Obvious says:

    Bos8,

    Sure, Smyth tries hard but holy cow is he slow. That goose is cooked.

  44. dessert1111 says:

    wunderbar:
    I’d argue that if you want to take a chance on Arcobello the right place for him is in the top six.he’s small and that’s not a problem, but I don’t know if he’d work with the bigger bodies on a bottom six role.If it was Gagner who was hurt instead of Belanger I’d say bring up Arcrobello and stick him between yak and hemsky and see what he can do, but I’m not sure a defensive role between Smyth and Petrell or MPS and harski are the best use of his skill set.

    They are probably going to re-jig the lines anyway, and after seeing Arcobello essentially outplay RNH between Hall and Eberle in the minors I would support trying Arcobello on the first line in Edmonton. Move RNH and Gagner down one, or put RNH between Smyth and Petrell, or maybe even move around the wingers as well. It might not work, but it might, and I think Arcobello is the superior player here so he should get the shot. It’s not like the Oilers couldn’t use another guy to help score goals either, and Arcobello is trusted for faceoffs and to PK and to take own-zone draws in the AHL. Size is a concern, but not so much so that I would call up VandeVelde instead. It’s kind of telling that they called up Lander instead of VandeVelde first imo, especially considering that VandeVelde was the one at camp.

  45. rickithebear says:

    Jesse: Can you explain how there can be such a disparity in the shot totals vs Dennis king’s scoring chances? Is it that the Dys were taking half their shots from outside an opportune area?

    A Corsi Brain is confused again!

    MMFD!

  46. FPB94 says:

    Damn that sucks. I liked Moore; he only played a couple of games back in MTL, but he always gave his all for the team. =/

  47. SK Oiler Fan says:

    You know, the immediate reaction is to say hey Stevo go get a replacement or 2 for our injuried troops. In reality, it’s already too late. It took all of 9 games in to expose this team for a lack of depth and balance at C, D, and G. How could Tambolowe not forsee this as a strong possibility and prepare for it? Lander, VDV, Arcobello, Hordi, Eager, Petrell, a Chubby Peckham, Tuebert, Fedun, one legged Whitney, Re-Khab, Danis? That’s your depth?

    This team has issues at D, C, and backup G even when fully healthy and they didn’t have an adequate fall back plan to replace a single regular at these positions? They can’t be thinking of tanking again can they? This is mismanagement and incompetance.

  48. BlacqueJacque says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    Panic much?

    You’re surprised that a team projected by every professional sports writing organization to fall short of the playoffs is struggling without their two veteran shutdown centres, especially as one (plus our hard-hitting dman) got knocked out early in the game and forced more ice time and weird line combinations on everybody? Get a grip.

  49. BlacqueJacque says:

    dessert1111,

    How do you figure to insert Arcobello into the lineup? Bump nuge or gags down to the third line?

    Or maybe the Oilers could go with the veteran centre with experience in the shutdown role, some size, and some games on the NHL? I say this as someone who thinks size down the middle is the least useful kind.

  50. Bos8 says:

    Captain Obvious:
    Bos8,

    Sure, Smyth tries hard but holy cow is he slow.That goose is cooked.

    Yeah, agreed. I’d much rather spend the money on an honest journeyman for that role. But, it is what it is. At least Smytty isn’t pulling a Whitney.

  51. sliderule says:

    You can move lander up with Smitty .

    Put Arcobello with Hartikainen and Paajarvi as they have played together.Run them against their fourth.

    In AHL Arco can make plays and maybe he can bring some bottom six scoring we keep hearing we are missing.

    Vv sure as hell won’t be bringing any.

  52. DeadmanWaking says:

    Realistic Expectations

    2013/2013 “in the mix” final two weeks of season
    2013/2014 actually make the playoffs

    The 2014 goal depends on taking a big step forward in 2013.

    We’re not going to tank, and we’re not going to ransom the future.

    I’m not convinced that making the playoffs this year wins us any hugely valuable post-season experience that we can bank for the future. Or at least not anything of greater value than experiencing a tough post-season push late in the season.

    Ryan Whitney’s new 100% does a lot to discourage me about our crew heading into the first round believing they can prevail on mojo and a solid game plan. No, we’ll be psychologically trying to draw to an inside straight: playing to capitalize on good fortune. What great playoff lesson does that teach?

    Boxer’s fracture

    Severe angulation requires pins to be put in place and realignment as well as the usual splinting. However, the prognosis on these fractures is generally good, with total healing time not exceeding 12 weeks. The first two weeks will show significantly reduced overall swelling with improvement in clenching ability showing up first. Ability to extend the fingers in all directions appears to improve more slowly. … Pain from this injury is generally very mild and rarely requires medications beyond over the counter drugs such as ibuprofen or acetaminophen. Muscle atrophy in isolated areas of 5 to 15 percent should be expected with a rehabilitation period of approximately 4 months given adequate therapy. In the mildest of cases, full rehabilitation status can be achieved within 3 to 4 months.

    Athletes are a little different than the general population, or so they like to believe. For every Silken Laumann who amazed her German doctors with her accelerated tissue healing rate, there’s an athlete whose fast lap around the M*A*S*H tent is soon followed by a slow lap.

    I think ST will do exactly as much as necessary to keep us vaguely “in the mix” and not a jot more, unless an opportunity arises to accomplish a move toward a longer term goal they were already working toward.

    I don’t think Klefbom’s injury situation is speeding along the mortgage papers, either.

  53. Lowetide says:

    Oilers recalled Arcobello, just across the wire.

  54. dessert1111 says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers recalled Arcobello, just across the wire.

    Yay!!!

  55. dessert1111 says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    dessert1111,

    How do you figure to insert Arcobello into the lineup?Bump nuge or gags down to the third line?

    Or maybe the Oilers could go with the veteran centre with experience in the shutdown role, some size, and some games on the NHL? I say this as someone who thinks size down the middle is the least useful kind.

    Between Hall and Eberle. Re-jig the rest of the lines as necessary. It’s what I’d do anyway, I like the guy’s game and he’s consistent. The NHL might be too much for him but we’ll see now.

  56. misfit says:

    This generations Reasoner? I’d welcome back last generation’s Reasoner. He’s a UFA after this season and has always been an excellent faceoff/PK man.

    Also, if the next generation’s Reasoner costs us what the last one did, no dice!

  57. FPB94 says:

    misfit,

    C’mon now, that guy’s done, same with Pisani lol.

  58. DeadmanWaking says:

    (another ant to my rant)

    I read a comment the other day that Justin is used to playing a forty-something game season. How about half a rookie professional AHL season, half a rookie NHL debut season, and a playoff round (or–gods have humour–two) and then he can curl up for the summer sucking his thumb. RNH and Yak both likely burned up a pretty big wodge of psychological wherewithal at the WJC (and preamble, in Yak’s case). Sure thing, a little playoff stress hardens the metal. Damnation and public floggings if our young pups get accustomed to the soft life by management failing to promptly replace the dirty Russian.

    The loss of Whitney as a viable umbrella to bear the brunt of the storm is a big blow. Actually, he does kind of resemble one of those glamorous yet cheap umbrellas with only the vaguest springwork fortitude not to surrender the tulip to the first stiff breeze.

  59. hunter1909 says:

    DeadmanWaking: I think ST will do exactly as much as necessary to keep us vaguely “in the mix” and not a jot more,

    How do you explain this organisation’s fetish with miniature players, from M.A.Bergeron(that turned out a treat, didn’t it?), to Omark, Cogliano, Comrie saga, to the super smurfs like Toby Peterson who magically appeared every training camp all “defensively aware” and so bounce the Rita’s and Schremp’s hopes of developing … period?

  60. SK Oiler Fan says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    SK Oiler Fan,

    Panic much?

    You’re surprised that a team projected by every professional sports writing organization to fall short of the playoffs is struggling without their two veteran shutdown centres, especially as one (plus our hard-hitting dman) got knocked out early in the game and forced more ice time and weird line combinations on everybody?Get a grip.

    No I’m not Fin surprised. You totally missed my point. I’m not talking about the last few games FFS. FYI I picked this team for 10th or 11th in the West and if absolutlely everything went tickity boo and most everyone stayed healthy maybe in the mix for 7-9. Obviously nothing ever goes as planned with this team, especially when it comes to injuries.
    I’m talking about management having a plan that has a chance when it goes off the rails.

  61. bookjLe says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers recalled Arcobello, just across the wire.

    I don’t think he is likely to be the answer (whatever the question may be), but I would like to see him get three meaningful games in the NHL just to see what he might bring.

  62. Bos8 says:

    hunter1909: How do you explain this organisation’s fetish with miniature players, from M.A.Bergeron(that turned out a treat, didn’t it?), to Omark, Cogliano, Comrie saga, to the super smurfs like Toby Peterson who magically appeared every training camp all “defensively aware” and so bounce the Rita’s and Schremp’s hopes of developing … period?

    Every time I see Gagner hit a defenceman and bounce off, I hear this echo – 5′ 11, 190. I’m 6,190 and I never bounced off a D. Hemsky doesn’t bounce. No one ever heard of dropping a shoulder and come up.

    Now, Arcobello might last for a few games but there seems to be an unending parade of same, same, same. Maybe Nuge’s shoulder is barking.

  63. jfry says:

    bookjLe: I don’t think he is likely to be the answer (whatever the question may be), but I would like to see him get three meaningful games in the NHL just to see what he might bring.

    Does he pk and win draws? If so im okay with this, but vv seemed like a natural to fill this position and add some size.

  64. jfry says:

    Bos8,

    Gagner’s measurements remind me of wrestling stats. I’m 6’2″ and 195 and have felt like a mountain of a man around ganger the two times I’ve met him.

  65. dessert1111 says:

    jfry: Does he pk and win draws? If so im okay with this, but vv seemed like a natural to fill this position and add some size.

    Yes, he PKs and wins draws. And he is just a much better player. The only thing VandeVelde has that Arco doesn’t is size, and he might be mildly better in the defensive end, but by eye I wouldn’t say that’s a given. Arco can keep the puck in the O zone too, while VVD likes to do his best impersonation of last year’s Paajarvi or Tyler Pitlick.

  66. FPB94 says:

    I don’t know why it’s a conversation here. CVV isn’t even a good AHL player for god’s sake.

  67. Bos8 says:

    jfry:
    Bos8,

    Gagner’s measurements remind me of wrestling stats. I’m 6’2″ and 195 and have felt like a mountain of a man around ganger the two times I’ve met him.

    Yep, okay – So they measure them with skates on. But I always come back to Kasparaitis on the Lindros hit or pick one of hundreds, that little jobber laid out. Hit em in the short ribs and come up. They’ll hear footsteps for a while, trying to breathe. Lower center of gravity actually helps.

  68. FastOil says:

    DeadmanWaking:
    Realistic Expectations

    2013/2013 “in the mix” final two weeks of season
    2013/2014 actually make the playoffs

    The 2014 goal depends on taking a big step forward in 2013.

    We’re not going to tank, and we’re not going to ransom the future.

    I’m not convinced that making the playoffs this year wins us any hugely valuable post-season experience that we can bank for the future.Or at least not anything of greater value than experiencing a tough post-season push late in the season.

    Ryan Whitney’s new 100% does a lot to discourage me about our crew heading into the first round believing they can prevail on mojo and a solid game plan.No, we’ll be psychologically trying to draw to an inside straight: playing to capitalize on good fortune.What great playoff lesson does that teach?

    Boxer’s fracture

    Athletes are a little different than the general population, or so they like to believe.For every Silken Laumann who amazed her German doctors with her accelerated tissue healing rate, there’s an athlete whose fast lap around the M*A*S*H tent is soon followed by a slow lap.

    I think ST will do exactly as much as necessary to keep us vaguely “in the mix” and not a jot more, unless an opportunity arises to accomplish a move toward a longer term goal they were already working toward.

    I don’t think Klefbom’s injury situation is speeding along the mortgage papers, either.

    I hope they learn lots and can’t quite win games because of youthfulness. Another tank would add a quality C or D, for free. We have two large holes to fill on this team, don’t mess it up now boys by winning a little too much.

    I’m on board with seriously going after the playoffs in 2013/2014, meaning the GM actually does something to improve the quality of the line up, beginning at a time appropriate to not doing to well in the standings this year.

  69. BlacqueJacque says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    I’m really not understanding your position here. The Oilers are still a bad team with holes and you concede that. Yet you’re upset that they don’t have a way to fill those holes?

    if the Oilers had that kind of depth, they wouldn’t be ranked 13th-11th in the West.

  70. SK Oiler Fan says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    My position is they’re Now closer to a prime lottery position than 11th and I have a hard time believing that they intended to tank again. Incompetance.

  71. BlacqueJacque says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    BlacqueJacque,
    My position is they’re Now closer to a prime lottery position than 11th and I have a hard time believing that they intended to tank again. Incompetance.

    I imagine injuries to your two veteran shutdown centres will slide you down the rankings a bit.

    You can call it incompetence if you want, but I honestly think there’s no arguing this team has more depth than it did since the Pronger trade. Certainly more than it did through 2009-2012, when (at first) they were merely bad for 2009, then decided on tanking from January 2010 onwards.

    For the record, I sincerely think last year’s second-last place finish wasn’t an accident but a desire by the Oilers to avoid having to draft BPA Yakupov and instead fill a need with Reinhart or Murray.

    This year the Oilers aren’t tanking, but neither are they stacking the team to make the playoffs. They’re letting the kids find their way and that’s that. If we make the playoffs, great. If not, oh well, another good draft pick (and arguably trade bait for an actual NHLer.)

    That’s not incompetence, that’s just a cold-hearted plan.

    And I do come from the Steve Tambelliini-looks-like-a-particularly-dimwitted-cat-named-Dithers school of thought. It’s just that over the past 3 years, I’ve come to accept that there’s a method to the Oilers’ madness. Either that, or I’ve gone mad myself. :)

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