OILERS AT BLUE JACKETS, G 12 (12-13) 10.2.13

The Edmonton Oilers and Columbus Blue Jackets don’t really have much of a rivalry, they’ve been poor clubs for years and spent their time miles and miles from the playoffs. Columbus made the playoffs one time–2009–with Ken Hitchock as their coach and names like Rick Nash, Kristian Huselius, Manny Malhotra and Jan Hejda leading the way. Since 2000, the year the Jackets entered the league, Edmonton has been in the playoffs three times out of 12 sorties–2001, 2003, 2006–and since then they’ve been at the bottom of the league standings.

About the only time you see the two teams together is at their draft, with their tables often side by side (tables go in draft order) and their choices easily comparable as the years go by:

  • 2007: Gagner v Voracek.
  • 2012: Yakupov v Murray.

Long  way to go on both draft years, I’ll take the Oilers pair and consider it a good day but you could certainly make an argument for Voracek over Gagner and the other race is just getting started.

The ninja people have a new toy (thanks to Woodguy for the link and the head’s up) that gives us a look at a player’s usage over his career. Sam Gagner:

pu gagner capture

If it is unreadable click on it and that might help, I think this is an excellent way to look at a player’s usage over several seasons. Gagner has been in the blue (positive) since arriving  but facing easy qual comp and getting (for the most part) good to excellent zone starts. This season the zone starts are more severe and the qual comp is easily the most difficult he’s faced, and we have a rote luftballon. Taylor Hall graph is here, fun toy.

Yesterday the Oilers faced the Red Wings, who feature two of the greatest centermen of the era (Datsyuk, Zetterberg). I heard a lot of talk on the broadcast about faceoff failures, but for me the game showed how far the Oilers are from being able to match up on the road against clubs like Detroit. Gagner-Hemsky are posting CorsiRel numbers that show them struggling, and that line needs to perform at par (imo) in order for the team to make the second season. The Qual comp numbers (and I know its early and we do have to be careful with the qual comp results) show the Hall line is getting the hard matching giant opponents, and his line is also king of CorsiRel.

That’s a concern, folks. I can see why RK moved the rookie off that line (although adding Hall didn’t help to my eye) for the tough road game.

I’m going to be a Krueger fan for a long time. After a loss in Detroit and facing his toughest early test today in Columbus (this team needs a win, in fact an easy win would be grand) the coach had this to say:

  • Krueger: “They’re willing to put in the work, and more than anything it’s about learning how to win,” Krueger said. “They’re pushing each other in the right direction and we’re making steps every day.”

Oilers didn’t send Chris VandeVelde back after yesterday’s game, so that means Eric Belanger is not a certainty to play this afternoon in Columbus.

I’m going to have an article up on Theo Peckham at ON later, but I wonder if the Oilers will cut down from their current 8D when he is recalled. Currently the Oilers–with Ryan Jones close and Belanger likely to come off IR today–have this 23-man roster:

  1. G Devan Dubnyk
  2. G Nikolai Khabibulin
  3. D Justin Schultz
  4. D Ladislav Smid
  5. D Jeff Petry
  6. D Nick Schultz
  7. D Ryan Whitney
  8. D Corey Potter
  9. D Mark Fistric
  10. D Theo Peckham (on roster, on rehab)
  11. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  12. C Sam Gagner
  13. C Ryan Smyth
  14. C Chris VandeVelde
  15. L Taylor Hall
  16. L Teemu Hartikainen
  17. L Magnus Paajarvi
  18. L Ben Eager
  19. L Darcy Hordichuk (4 games, 2:02 ATOI)
  20. R Ales Hemsky
  21. R Jordan Eberle
  22. R Nail Yakupov
  23. R Lennart Petrell

It is easy to get Eric Belanger (Chris VandeVelde) on the roster, and you could get Ryan Jones back on the roster by sending out Paajarvi. However, he’s averaging 10 minutes a night and playing well. I think moving off one of the defensemen via trade is the better way, and if ST can find a new home for Peckham (or Whitney) then it makes sense to do it now.

Khabibulin was very good yesterday. Credit where due, I guess rehab assignments are overrated.

You’ll see a lot of numbers today, but the important ones are 2.18 (goals per game) and shooting percentage (8%, 24 goals on 300 shots). That number was 9.5 a year ago, meaning the Oilers would have 4 or 5 more goals if the shooting percentage from last season had followed along.

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  1. In the Grease says:

    Maggie!!!!

  2. BlacqueJacque says:

    MAGNUSSSS!! Grow the flow!

    Great work by Sam “too slow, can’t defend” Gagner.

  3. DBO says:

    Wow. MPS not an NHLer hey?1? Atta boy Samwise, nice pass

  4. FPB94 says:

    Ah yeah! Paajarvi! Well deserved for him.

  5. SK Oiler Fan says:

    What a dumb team. Dumb, dumb penalties. They don’t deserve this one

  6. Lucinius says:

    MPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. Reg Dunlop says:

    At least a scorched earth style rebuild isn’t necessary. We have 2 or 3 usable parts. The oil have officially become the league’s slump busters even if they don’t have any 200lb women with too much makeup on. Hold that thought… Magnus!

  8. delooper says:

    Massive MPS. Wow. That’s what the Oilers need from you.

  9. Rocknrolla says:

    Prv!!!!!!!

    That’s all Hockey Gods Folks!

  10. jake70 says:

    Wooohoooo! MPS, beauty!!

  11. bookjLe says:

    Another sniper shot by Paajarvi

  12. RMGS says:

    MAGNUS!

  13. raventalon40 says:

    Good drive by Gagner!!!!!!!!!!! Great pass to Magnus for the onetimer

  14. hunter1909 says:

    I think I’ll always be a Blue Jacket fan….Pajaarvi!!!!!??????????????

  15. VanOil says:

    That’s it I am drinking if PRV is scoring. Gong Xi Fa Cai.

  16. In the Grease says:

    The Smytty slash was the first part of a complex set play.

  17. Oilanderp says:

    Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

  18. DBO says:

    Evil genius Ryan Smyth. No shots on PP or EV, take a penalty. change it up

  19. Hayek says:

    Well here is our shooting % regressing to the mean…

  20. striatic says:

    hell of an effort and pass by Gagner.

  21. Smarmy says:

    Wow my gamecenter is a full minute behind you guys. Good for Mags. Goal scorer goal there.

  22. godot10 says:

    raventalon40:
    Smarmy,

    I don’t want to sound like the Oilers should be in a panic here… but I feel like with all the promise and skill this team has they’re not willing to do all the tough things and go to the hard places to score the hard goals. Not every goal is going to be a highlight reel goal. For chrissakes, Hemsky’s been our grittiest top 6 guy… time to move up a guy like MPS who has earned it.

    Eberle, with a bloodied nose, begs to differ.

  23. Woodguy says:

    Nice play and pass by 89.

    Loving me some Magnus!

  24. VanOil says:

    94 owes 91 dinner

  25. raventalon40 says:

    In the Grease:
    The Smytty slash was the first part of a complex set play.

    DBO:
    Evil genius Ryan Smyth. No shots on PP or EV, take a penalty. change it up

    That’s some great reverse psychology goal engineering. You’re speaking my language.

  26. hunter1909 says:

    RNH with the major martial arts move.

  27. FPB94 says:

    Smarmy: Free feeds ahead of you LOL.

  28. crude says:

    Maggie!

  29. spoiler says:

    I’m waiting for a bad giveaway by Eager from the penalty box to eff this up.

  30. Lucinius says:

    So.. simple question; what’s with people showing up to Blue Jacket games this year?

  31. Kris11 says:

    Are the Oilers getting outshot 38-13?

    That’s a problem. No?

  32. Lowetide says:

    Belanger-Petrell-Paajarvi. Message from coach?

  33. Lucinius says:

    I want to see 40 get a goal Roloson style!

  34. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lucinius:
    So.. simple question; what’s with people showing up to Blue Jacket games this year?

    Columbus has a ticket promotion going on. IIRC it’s “Show your driver’s license, get season tickets and beer for a year if you sign a contract to show up.”

  35. hunter1909 says:

    It’s fun watching Pajaarvi as he’s working out in his mechanical brain what scoring an NHL goal is.

    Blue Jackets wearing killer uniforms tonight. Wow.

  36. spoiler says:

    Absolute highway robbery by Doobie tonight. Get out of Dodge before Marshal Dillon and the state troopers show up.

  37. Rebilled says:

    The Hockey Gods gave Dubnyk a thumbs up today.

    1st star: #40
    2nd star: #40
    3rd star: #40

  38. striatic says:

    Lowetide,

    penalty killers on for 6v5 doesn’t seem unusual to me.

  39. BlacqueJacque says:

    Nuge selflessly gives it to Gags.

  40. Lowetide says:

    Samwise from an unselfish Nuge.

    Well you big babies, I never had a doubt. Show some faith, wouldya?

  41. DBO says:

    nice pass Nuge. unselfish. So not deserved to win this game, but good teams win ugly. I said yesterday we need some ugly in our game, never meant the whole game

  42. Lucinius says:

    Didn’t deserve the win, but I’ll take it.

  43. nelson88 says:

    Liked Belanger’s game. Without his face-offs and DD this would have been a CBJ blow out.

  44. fuzzy muppet says:

    40-14 shots…..OUCH.

    I’d still bag skate em. “giveaways Gags” gets 2 points…what a weird ass game

  45. delooper says:

    Dubnyk, MPS, Smid and Petry all had good games. Eberle had his moments, Gagner plusses and minuses. RNH and Yakupov were kind of quiet.

  46. raventalon40 says:

    Rebilled:
    The Hockey Gods gave Dubnyk a thumbs up today.

    1st star: #40
    2nd star: #40
    3rd star: #19

    Fixed it.

  47. Smarmy says:

    DBO:
    nice pass Nuge. unselfish. So not deserved to win this game, but good teams win ugly. I said yesterday we need some ugly in our game, never meant the whole game

    I think this one was more of a case of. “Really bad hockey teams find ways to lose games.”

  48. Lowetide says:

    That team better make sure Dubnyk doesn’t pay for one damn thing on the way home.

  49. Oilanderp says:

    Well I suppose it means things are looking better that we can complain hellishly over a win.

  50. BlacqueJacque says:

    If this season continues like this, Dubnyk’s 40 is going to stand either for “40 shots against” or “40 ounces down” after every game.

  51. Thor762 says:

    Dubnyk deserved to win that game. Almost all the rest of the group not so much.

  52. striatic says:

    Columbus didn’t deserve to lose that game.

  53. spoiler says:

    Nuge had to pass. Would miss the net from that distance.

  54. LMHF#1 says:

    Smyth needs to be in the press box badly. He’s been utterly horrible and lazy most of the season and especially since the Dallas game.

  55. In the Grease says:

    Lowetide:
    Samwise from an unselfish Nuge.

    Well you big babies, I never had a doubt. Show some faith, wouldya?

    Haha… that may be the most fired up I’ve seen the normally pragmatic LT in recent memory…. heard those F bombs all the way over here in Brooklyn

  56. FPB94 says:

    IIRC watching the Capitals’ putrid era, Olaf Kolzig was something like 13-1-0-1 when the Capitals allowed 40+ shots.

  57. OilLeak says:

    Lowetide:
    Samwise from an unselfish Nuge.

    Well you big babies, I never had a doubt. Show some faith, wouldya?

    This game was the very definition of ugly. If the worst possession team in the league takes us to school then I’m keeping my expectations low, very low.

  58. Lucinius says:

    Only Oilers, by my eye, who deserved this win; Dubnyk (not a #1 goalie? fuck you doubters!), J. Schultz, Hemsky, Hall, Paajarvi, Belanger, Smid.

    Everyone else was bad or barely clawing at ‘didn’t play like a retarded monkey after a lobotomy’.

  59. Kris11 says:

    It’s hard to imagine Smyth not trying. I’m guessing he has old-man fatigue. Either way, I’d find hima game off soon just to see if it either rests him or lights a fire under him.

  60. hunter1909 says:

    How was Ben Eager tonight?

  61. striatic says:

    third five game segment going fine so far.

    need 2 of the next 3.

    Dallas, Colorado and LA are all very beatable right now.

    gotta win this segment.

  62. Lucinius says:

    Eager was good early on then followed Smyth right off the cliff.

  63. In the Grease says:

    LMHF#1:
    Smyth needs to be in the press box badly. He’s been utterly horrible and lazy most of the season and especially since the Dallas game.

    I don’t know about lazy, but consistency with this accountability thing would suggest he should sit for a game, but then who centers the 4th line?

  64. Woodguy says:

    CLB gets out shot worse than any other team in the NHL when the score is tied or close.

    The Oilers couldn’t hold their jock tonight.

    Not good.

    No puck posession, chasing all night.

    They got Wed-Fri off this week.

    Hope they get some coaching.

    Or some sense smacked into their heads.

  65. RMGS says:

    Dubnyk was brilliant, the PK heroic, Justin Schultz is a gift from heaven, and MPS was consistently reliable.

    The rest of the team SUCKED, but the two points are welcome.

    I hope the coach goes back to the original top two lines.

  66. DBO says:

    Positives: Dubnyk. And liked the D better then normal, which hasn’t meant much but the pairings seem more balanced. Our shots against are in big part on our forwards being clueless in their own zone.

  67. hunter1909 says:

    In the Grease: Consistency with this accountability thing would suggest he should sit for a game, but then who centers the 4th line?

    I don’t know why but this is the funniest thing I’m going to see today.

  68. FPB94 says:

    In the Grease,

    Nobody. Send an even stronger message. Play 7 D-men or something like that.

  69. Henry says:

    Did Taylor Hall play the last 12 minutes of the game? Is he hurt?

  70. spoiler says:

    hunter1909:
    How was Ben Eager tonight?

    Great, in the second half of the third.

  71. BlacqueJacque says:

    Henry,

    Good point. Only 14:57 ice time.

  72. In the Grease says:

    Woodguy:
    CLB gets out shot worse than any other team in the NHL when the score is tied or close.

    The Oilers couldn’t hold their jock tonight.

    Not good.

    No puck posession, chasing all night.

    They got Wed-Fri off this week.

    Hope they get some coaching.

    Or some sense smacked into their heads.

    Agreed, serious coaching, game tape breakdowns, maybe a little raising of voices in the mix?

  73. spoiler says:

    Henry:
    Did Taylor Hall play the last 12 minutes of the game?Is he hurt?

    Had several shifts. Double-shifted once, IIRC.

  74. Clay says:

    So, I think LT was quoting someone else, something along the lines of “You’ll win 1/3 of the games and lose 1/3 of the games, no matter what, it’s the other 1/3 that determine the season”. Well, apparently the Oilers were going to win this one regardless of what Columbus did. 40-14 in shots? Ridiculous.

    Good on Dubnyk. We may have a gamer here, boys…

  75. In the Grease says:

    FPB94:
    In the Grease,

    Nobody. Send an even stronger message. Play 7 D-men or something like that.

    hahaha. I like it.

  76. icecastles says:

    Dear Ryan Smyth,

    By “veteran leadership”, Ethan Moreau was not what we had in mind.

    That is all.

  77. RMGS says:

    icecastles:
    Dear Ryan Smyth,

    By “veteran leadership”, Ethan Moreau was not what we had in mind.

    That is all.

    I think he’s seriously lost a step and is hooking and hacking to try to make it up. Still dumb, though.

  78. raventalon40 says:

    FPB94:
    In the Grease,

    Nobody. Send an even stronger message. Play 7 D-men or something like that.

    Hasn’t Peckham played LW before, kind of like Strudwick?

  79. Gret99zky says:

    Luckily Samwise was able to cheat on the math test and turn 2 points out there in the last two minutes.

    Corsi will just sweep those 25+ turnovers under the rug.

  80. icecastles says:

    spoiler: Nuge had to pass. Would miss the net from that distance.

    He’d miss the net from point blank this season as well.

    Actually I think he’d miss the net while sitting inside the net.

    I love the guy but what the hell is with his shot this year? It’s a nightmare.

  81. Henry says:

    spoiler: Had several shifts. Double-shifted once, IIRC.

    Thanks, I didn’t notice him. Getting freaked out.

    Happy for Dubnyk getting the win. Happy PRV is on the board.

    Not very happy though.

  82. DBO says:

    yep gonna be nights like this more often then not this year. Next year is our more serious playoff team. We make it this year it is because of goaltending, and who woulda bet on that being our strength this year. I guess Tambo since he signed Dubnyk to a pretty big deal for a backup. And no one woulda guessed tambo doing smart stuff. I’m confused…… and a bit scared.

  83. icecastles says:

    Also, every time I hear R.J. Umberger’s name, this is all I hear.

  84. DBO says:

    icecastles,

    Umberger!!!!!

  85. Lowetide says:

    Clay:
    So, I think LT was quoting someone else, something along the lines of “You’ll win 1/3 of the games and lose 1/3 of the games, no matter what, it’s the other 1/3 that determine the season”.Well, apparently the Oilers were going to win this one regardless of what Columbus did.40-14 in shots?Ridiculous.

    Good on Dubnyk.We may have a gamer here, boys…

    Casey Stengel.

    Baseball quotes are the best:

    Spread the diaper in the position of the diamond with you at bat. Then fold second base down to home and set the baby on the pitcher’s mound. Put first base and third together, bring up home plate and pin the three together. Of course, in case of rain, you gotta call the game and start all over again. (Quote by – Jimmy Piersal)

  86. raventalon40 says:

    icecastles:
    Also, every time I hear R.J. Umberger’s name, this is all I hear.

    DBO:
    icecastles,

    Umberger!!!!!

    Every time I think Umberger, all I hear is “CAMPBELL!!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD03ut-iUzg

  87. Ducey says:

    Wasn’t Smyth playing C today? Maybe he should get a pass for playing out of position?

    I thought Potter looked good with the promotion.

    Too bad Sam is too small. Wish he could do something other than lead the team in points.

  88. BlacqueJacque says:

    Yeah, Smytty was centering the 4th line, but those penalties aren’t the result of positional play.

  89. BlacqueJacque says:

    I really hate what HFB has turned into.

    I mean, when the most active moderator sounds ready to taste-test cyanide pills after a win, the atmosphere gets pretty toxic.

  90. Rebilled says:

    Really needed the win today. Glad DD’s provided it.

    Celtic vs. Juventus Tuesday. In case you missed some of the most biased commentating ever and enjoy the Scots accent and beating Barcelona.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILzN-ZEctaU

  91. Clarkenstein says:

    @LT. After another “shitty” performance by the Oil there’s no joy in Mudmonton!

  92. spoiler says:

    icecastles: He’d miss the net from point blank this season as well.

    Actually I think he’d miss the net while sitting inside the net.

    I love the guy but what the hell is with his shot this year? It’s a nightmare.

    Someone a couple of weeks ago said he had switched sticks. If that’s the case, he needs to switch back. He was potting those last year.

  93. FPB94 says:

    spoiler,

    Maybe it’s just the type of sticks he uses in general. Short sticks give terrible accuracy, but great puck handling. Same with the flex.

  94. gr8one says:

    What a brutal brutal game.

    It seems my worst fears may be coming to fruition.

    An assembly of high end talent that goes to complete waste because management has complete inability to make moves to solidify the rest of the lineup.

    I’m not saying panic moves, but at least attempting to fill glaring holes.

  95. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    I really hate what HFB has turned into.

    I mean, when the most active moderator sounds ready to taste-test cyanide pills after a win, the atmosphere gets pretty toxic.

    Probably time to exit. I was mod there years ago and it is a tough gig. People used to be pretty vicious in their pm’s, doubt it has gotten better.

  96. icecastles says:

    spoiler: Someone a couple of weeks ago said he had switched sticks

    I recall that, and I’ve been watching for it. Might explain some of the dodgy passing too, but should it really take this long to adjust? Seems unlikely. Plus, He was faring well enough in OKC with the new stick.

    Another theory i’ve read in regard to other “sophmore slump” players is that after their first year in the NHL, they focus on getting bigger and stronger over the summer. I’m sure this was a focus for RNH. As a result, when they come back it is not the stick, but their own bodies they have to get used to.

    From what I’ve seen of him this year, his game is improved, and even his confidence has looked great, though it has understandably flagged lately as things continue to bounce the wrong way. The refinement in his upper body movements though, specifically shots, passes and pivots, is off and that will almost undoubtedly work itself with time and experience. A smart player like RNH will likely bounce back sooner rather than later.

    He’s The Doctor, post-regeneration.

  97. Lowetide says:

    I think Nuge is hurt, less than 100%. It’s often the reason for a performance dip.

  98. hunter1909 says:

    Someone enterprising could write a note after each game: tonight for example MPS finally scored a goal, and Justin Shultz pulled a move unseen in Oilerland since Paul Coffey. And Dubnyk leaves the game with a .975% lol.

  99. Ducey says:

    gr8one: What a brutal brutal game.It seems my worst fears may be coming to fruition.An assembly of high end talent that goes to complete waste because management has complete inability to make moves to solidify the rest of the lineup.I’m not saying panic moves, but at least attempting to fill glaring holes.

    So the top players only generated 13 shots because they guys at the bottom of the lineup can’t play?

    Maybe people that stare at spreadsheets had unrealistic expectations about how quickly a very young team would take to learn to play in the NHL.

    Adjust expectations? No, lets call for management’s head.

  100. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide,

    He still managed to execute a perfect on ice rendition of hand to hand self defence technique, late in the game.

    Injured, or not.

  101. "Steve Smith" says:

    raventalon40: Hasn’t Peckham played LW before, kind of like Strudwick?

    Not to my recollection; Smid has played wing, though I can’t remember which. I do remember it was awful, though.

    I only caught the last part of the third, and only on the radio. It’s a terrible thing to say, but my first reaction on hearing the Paajarvi goal was “Yes! No Cap’n Happy at Lowetide’s tonight!” That was also my first reaction to hearing that Hemsky scored the first one, and Gagner’s multi-point game.

    I mean, overall, it sounds like this game added some weight to his “The Oilers are terrible and mismanaged” narrative, but I’ve never taken much issue with that side of his narrative anyway.

    Dubnyk’s pretty decent.

    Does anyone now doubt that Eberle is the best of the kids? It’s not even close.

  102. Clay says:

    Lowetide:
    I think Nuge is hurt, less than 100%. It’s often the reason for a performance dip.

    Beat me to it. The more I see him, the more I think his shoulder is worse than we’re being told. It makes sense, because there’s nothing wrong with his feet – he’s in the right places, and has shown improvement on the defensive end, but when it comes to finishing or threading that needle, he’s not right.

    Hall talked about it at length last year, about how a bum shoulder really affected his shot and overall game.

    Hemsky never talks, but seeing how well he plays with healthy shoulders, it’s not hard to connect those dots.

  103. leadfarmer says:

    Well I think this settles why Horcoff is the captain of this team. Since he went down this team has been terrible. Until Hall or one of the other youngsters pick up this team and start carrying it they dont deserve to be captains.

    I wonder who has been working with MPS on his shot. It has improved and not talking about the goal either. Seems a lot heavier than in past.

    RNH needs to have that surgery that he is putting off.

    Smyth needs to eat popcorn with Whitney the next game.

    Peckham should become assistant coach of eating and all the guys under 25 spend the summer eating every meal with him.

  104. FPB94 says:

    Maybe we can hire Strudwick on a 10 game contract and bench Smyth for Strudwick. Not that would be hilarious/insulting

  105. bookjLe says:

    Lowetide: Probably time to exit. I was mod there years ago and it is a tough gig. People used to be pretty vicious in their pm’s, doubt it has gotten better.

    Well, I for one am super thankful that you started this site! The conversations here are leaps and bounds above the petulance and stupidity at other sites!

  106. Lowetide says:

    bookjLe: Well, I for one am super thankful that you started this site!The conversations here are leaps and bounds above the petulance and stupidity at other sites!

    lol. I like our group, but I think the nature of the internet is we all move about and jump in and out. Kind of like the hokey pokey.

  107. bookjLe says:

    Clay,

    I am pretty sure RNH is getting shoulder surgery this summer. The good news – the oilers get it for free because they filled their shoulder surgery stamp card.

  108. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: I think Nuge is hurt, less than 100%. It’s often the reason for a performance dip.

    He doesn’t play like it. Been taking the man a lot this year.

    IC,

    I think you might be onto something, and that would explain the extra physicality he has brought to his game this year too. He looks more physically confident this year and is initiating contact a lot more.

  109. Rocknrolla says:

    leadfarmer,

    This⬆

  110. spoiler says:

    nelson88: Liked Belanger’s game. Without his face-offs and DD this would have been a CBJ blow out.

    Bela played an amazing 8:37 of the 12:57 we were short-handed today, and took nearly half of all thegame’s face-offs. With two broken bones in his foot. He was full value today..

  111. Southern Oil says:

    Lowetide: lol. I like our group, but I think the nature of the internet is we all move about and jump in and out. Kind of like the hokey pokey.

    Could be I supposed but the nice mix here of good hockey talk and Oklahoma boobs has me sold!

  112. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide: lol. I like our group, but I think the nature of the internet is we all move about and jump in and out. Kind of like the hokey pokey.

    I know that I’ve always perceived my own role here as being to shake as many things as possible all about.

  113. Clay says:

    bookjLe:
    Clay,

    I am pretty sure RNH is getting shoulder surgery this summer.The good news – the oilers get it for free because they filled their shoulder surgery stamp card.

    They may as well do both shoulders – get Yak in there too. Preventative medicine.

  114. Lowetide says:

    Southern Oil: Could be I supposed but the nice mix here of good hockey talk and Oklahoma boobs has me sold!

    I think it’s a key. :-) Seriously though, I do like the posters and have learned a ton from everyone. I guess for me this is such an incredible thing, exchanging ideas and opinions. There were times I’d go a year without really talking to anyone about the Oilers (save for ‘the Oilers won last night.’)

    It’s good.

  115. spoiler says:

    Hah! Looking at the giveaway/takeaway stats from the game today, I think I can safely say these kinds of things are not tracked in Columbus.

  116. delooper says:

    “Steve Smith”:

    Does anyone now doubt that Eberle is the best of the kids?It’s not even close.

    Todd Nelson has a golden quote where he says Justin Schultz is clearly better than all the other Oiler kids. And people say more positive things about him than any of the other kids, here on this blog… So probably some people doubt. Eberle is great though.

  117. icecastles says:

    bookjLe: Well, I for one am super thankful that you started this site! The conversations here are leaps and bounds above the petulance and stupidity at other sites!

    Shut up, you jerkyjerkface. Also, Justin Schultz is a bust.

  118. "Steve Smith" says:

    delooper: So probably some people doubt.

    I am among them. I was just engaged in one of my patented/trade-marked* mocking non-sequiturs – the bit you quoted is almost an exact D.S.F. quote from a few games ago.

    *Just trust me on this; I got an A in intellectual property.

  119. Lowetide says:

    DSF hasn’t shown up yet tonight, kind of disappointed. We have SO MUCH to discuss!

  120. jake70 says:

    Clay: They may as well do both shoulders – get Yak in there too.Preventative medicine.

    Remember posters here joking at the draft they should just bring a surgeon to the draft….. photo with Bettman, Katz (and his kid with big hair), then over to Duthie for the awkward interview, then down to the surgical suite behind the stage to do both shoulders, hey why not?

  121. FPB94 says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcd3DKWlqUk

    Funny stuff during the Bakersfield Condors’ game.

  122. "Steve Smith" says:

    Re: Schultz, before the season (especially before the AHL season, but even once that had started), I was greeting people’s great expectations of him by saying that I’d believe that he could play NHL hockey once I saw him play NHL hockey. Well, uh, I’ve seen that now.

  123. Southern Oil says:

    Does someone have some sort of video for J.Schultz’s takeaway? I need to hold on to that one.

    For some reason I am surprisingly calm right now – even thought tonight was terrible. We got the 2 points. Going forward, I can’t bet against our forward core getting on track. There is too much talent there IMO.

  124. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: Re: Schultz, before the season (especially before the AHL season, but even once that had started), I was greeting people’s great expectations of him by saying that I’d believe that he could play NHL hockey once I saw him play NHL hockey. Well, uh, I’ve seen that now.

    That’s a great radio you have there, sir!

  125. Captain Happy says:

    “Steve Smith”: I am among them.I was just engaged in one of my patented/trade-marked* mocking non-sequiturs – the bit you quoted is almost an exact D.S.F. quote from a few games ago.

    *Just trust me on this; I got an A in intellectual property.

    My goodness, we’re on a mission tonight.

    That defensive play by Junior was amazing.

    Too bad he ended the night -1 in a 3-1 win over the worst team in the league.

    And zero shots on goal to boot.

    Then you see a player like Jack Johnson finishing the night -3, with 5 shots on goal, some big hits, almost 27 minutes of ice time and nothing to show for it.

    Sometimes life just isn’t fair although I’ve heard time wounds all heels.

  126. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler: That’s a great radio you have there, sir!

    Not tonight, jackass; Jack Michaels doesn’t let you visualize the action the way Rod did (by which I mean “wildly inaccurately”).

  127. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”: Not tonight, jackass; Jack Michaels doesn’t let you visualize the action the way Rod did (by which I mean “wildly inaccurately”).

    I used to op the early games (eastern time zone), the Oiler road games cut into my highly rated (not really) drive show and I’d op. Rod was amazing, he’d make it sound incredible and I’d be on edge with each word.

    Then he’d say “live from le Colisee in Quebec, this is NHL hockey!” and I’d play a commercial and turn down his feed. Then he’d say (this wouldn’t go on air) “THIS is NHL hockey?” and laugh that laugh of his.

    Great guy, really cool.

  128. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide,

    I’m not sure my Oilers fandom would have lasted through the first dark ages if not for him. Now I’ve this place, so I don’t need him anymore, but I still miss him.

  129. leadfarmer says:

    If you take away Dubnyks game against SJ, he has a 0.942 save percentage on the year. Who would have thought that goaltending would be the bright spot on this year’s club.

  130. BlacqueJacque says:

    You guys remember the Oilers’ 5-year-plan? You know, no-playoff rebuild years 1 and 2, playoff challenge year 3, playoff run year 5?

    Can this be considered on schedule?

  131. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    You guys remember the Oilers’ 5-year-plan?You know, no-playoff rebuild years 1 and 2, playoff challenge year 3, playoff run year 5?

    Can this be considered on schedule?

    If you start the 5 year rebuild from 2010 summer, then no it’s behind. If you start it from 2012 summer it is way ahead.

  132. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide: I used to op the early games (eastern time zone), the Oiler road games cut into my highly rated (not really) drive show and I’d op. Rod was amazing, he’d make it sound incredible and I’d be on edge with each word.

    Then he’d say “live from le Colisee in Quebec, this is NHL hockey!” and I’d play a commercial and turn down his feed. Then he’d say (this wouldn’t go on air) “THIS is NHL hockey?” and laugh that laugh of his.

    Great guy, really cool.

    Another Rod story…

    After each Oiler game he would do a pre-recorded Oilers’ Report for air the following morning.

    He was dreadful reading from a script and would often need 10 or 12 takes to get an acceptable one.

    I would just let the tape roll until he nailed it (sorta) and then would jump back on the phone and tell him I was ready to record.

    You had to be there.

  133. BlacqueJacque says:

    Well, if year 1 was 2010-2011, and year 2 2011-2012… then that means if the Oilers make a solid run at the playoffs this year, they’d fulfill the year 3 goal, wouldn’t they?

  134. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: Not tonight, jackass;.

    Wow, not on your A-game tonight?

  135. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler,

    This is my a-game.

    But if it wasn’t clear, “jackass” is a term of endearment with me.

  136. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    FPB94:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcd3DKWlqUk

    Funny stuff during the Bakersfield Condors’ game.

    amazing:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctrFbneYPmg

    probably need some Ted Hughs to go with it.

  137. FPB94 says:

    SS knows one gear only.

  138. Clarkenstein says:

    The injury thing (latest example Nuge) that the OIlers have suffered a lot of recently might come as a result of putting their early picks in the show at age 18 or 19. They just get the shit pounded out of them night after night over and over. No way the NHL or, more importantly, the NHLPA should let them play until age 20 when they may have matured physically and mentally. But it’s all about the bucks. Better teams don’t have to play their kids early giving them proper development time. Just another example of the sad (recent) history of this once great franchise.
    I would like to think they could move up to number 25 this year but after the first quarter of the schedule I honestly don’t know which 5 teams are worse.
    The beat goes on.

  139. Kris11 says:

    gr8one:
    Whata brutal brutal game.

    It seems my worst fears may be coming to fruition.

    An assembly of high end talent that goes to complete waste because management has complete inability to make moves to solidify the rest of the lineup.

    I’m not saying panic moves, but at least attempting to fill glaring holes.

    Agreed times 1000000.

    Maybe it works out, but that will be in spite of management, not because of them.

  140. tcho says:

    Lots of criticism after gutting out a tough win (back-to-backs, lots of guys out or playing hurt – Nuge, probably Fistric). I’ll take it, thanks.

  141. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    are the oilers letting Gene write their headlines now?

    right now on front page of oilers.nhl.com is

    “Jackets Hemmed”

  142. spoiler says:

    Don’t know if anyone is watching the delay of the Alberta Curling Final, but it’s a good thing this is the last game because they’re going to have to resurface the ice after the Martin sweepers are done with it.

  143. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Really appreciated two things about RK’s post-game

    1) teaching the kids that these kinds of games (where you suck, basically)… are also winnable… a Lesson Detroit learned year ago

    2) he was most angry about the offensive zone penalties… (looking at you Smyth)

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=200564

  144. bookjLe says:

    “Steve Smith”: Not tonight, jackass; Jack Michaels doesn’t let you visualize the action the way Rod did (by which I mean “wildly inaccurately”).

    I listened on radio today (first time in two years as I usually watch or am too busy). In any case, listening to Jack on the radio is pretty tough compared to Rod. I remember Morley Scott taking over one night when Rod received his silver stick and actually thought he did a great job. However, I remember him being shown the exit some years ago (maybe when Ched took over?). Anyway, I see now that he is doing Eskimo broadcasts.

  145. hockeyguy10 says:

    Clarkenstein,

    You do know he hurt himself when tripped over the blueline and fell into the boards. I am sure the boards are just as tough in Jr. or the AHL.

  146. bookjLe says:

    Lowetide: I think it’s a key. Seriously though, I do like the posters and have learned a ton from everyone. I guess for me this is such an incredible thing, exchanging ideas and opinions. There were times I’d go a year without really talking to anyone about the Oilers (save for ‘the Oilers won last night.’)

    It’s good.

    My joining the discussions here coincided with my having a couple of kids and taking on a major project at work (still ongoing and getting more major…). Around that time, my talking to people who were not babies, a wife or about work pretty much ended. This place is like a retreat or something.

    I’ve also learned a ton about hockey here.

  147. godot10 says:

    Clarkenstein:
    The injury thing (latest example Nuge) that the OIlers have suffered a lot of recently might come as a result of putting their early picks in the show at age 18 or 19. They just get the shit pounded out of them night after night over and over. No way the NHL or, more importantly, the NHLPA should let them play until age 20 when they may have matured physically and mentally.But it’s all about the bucks. Better teams don’t have to play their kids early giving them proper development time. Just another example of the sad (recent) history of this once great franchise.
    I would like to think they could move up to number 25 this year but after the first quarter of the schedule I honestly don’t know which 5 teams are worse.
    The beat goes on.

    Nugent-Hopkins hurt his shoulder “tripping over the blueline” into the boards all by himself.

  148. Ducey says:

    Clarkenstein: The injury thing (latest example Nuge) that the OIlers have suffered a lot of recently might come as a result of putting their early picks in the show at age 18 or 19. They just get the shit pounded out of them night after night over and over. No way the NHL or, more importantly, the NHLPA should let them play until age 20 when they may have matured physically and mentally. But it’s all about the bucks. Better teams don’t have to play their kids early giving them proper development time. Just another example of the sad (recent) history of this once great franchise.I would like to think they could move up to number 25 this year but after the first quarter of the schedule I honestly don’t know which 5 teams are worse.The beat goes on.

    Hall hurt his shoulder in junior. He got a skate in the head in the warmup. He hurt his ankle in a fight. He got crushed against Calgary. One big hit and 2 freak injuries in the NHL. Thats it.

    Eberle hasn’t been hurt on any big hits. Nor has Yak. I don’t recall either being hit any worse than they would in junior.

    Nuge hurt his shoulder in junior or when he fell into the boards. I don’t recall him being hit hard either.

    I was watching the Oil Kings a few weeks ago and saw Gernat get absolutely pasted after admiring a pass.

    Hockey is tough game.

  149. spoiler says:

    Hasn’t it been said that at the end of winning streaks, you’re winning games you shouldn’t? So we got that going for us.

  150. Kris11 says:

    tcho:
    Lots of criticism after gutting out a tough win (back-to-backs, lots of guys out or playing hurt – Nuge, probably Fistric). I’ll take it, thanks.

    Is your name related to the delicious “TCHO Chocolates”?

  151. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler:
    Hasn’t it been said that at the end of winning streaks, you’re winning games you shouldn’t?So we got that going for us.

    So this was the end of our one game winning streak, is what you’re saying?

    bookjLe: I listened on radio today (first time in two years as I usually watch or am too busy).In any case, listening to Jack on the radio is pretty tough compared to Rod.I remember Morley Scott taking over one night when Rod received his silver stick and actually thought he did a great job.However, I remember him being shown the exit some years ago (maybe when Ched took over?). Anyway, I see now that he is doing Eskimo broadcasts.

    I like Jack Michaels well enough, though I hate his affectation when he says “the Oilers … radio network”. Rod was getting kind of spotty at the end, though in his prime I enjoyed him like I doubt I’ll ever enjoy another play-by-play guy. I remember Morley doing that broadcast too. I’m not sure of the circumstances that resulted in his leaving the broadcast team, but he stayed on long after CHED took over the broadcasts – of that I am sure.

  152. spoiler says:

    bookjLe: I listened on radio today (first time in two years as I usually watch or am too busy). In any case, listening to Jack on the radio is pretty tough compared to Rod. I remember Morley Scott taking over one night when Rod received his silver stick and actually thought he did a great job. However, I remember him being shown the exit some years ago (maybe when Ched took over?). Anyway, I see now that he is doing Eskimo broadcasts.

    A lot of people expected Morley to get the gig and were pretty disappointed when he didn’t. He certainly deserved a better shot considering the time and effort he had put into the booth, which is usually given great weight in the local scene.

  153. delooper says:

    bookjLe: I’ve also learned a ton about hockey here.

    and your name gets increasingly convoluted. It’s like an epaulette, or war medals.

  154. spoiler says:

    "Steve Smith": So this was the end of our one game winning streak, is what you’re saying?

    I’m a big fan of SNL’s “Lowered Epectations”. Today my expectations got shit-kicked while lying in the gutter.

    I don’t know… It’s hard to imagine them playing worse, and maybe this was just one of those bad games that happen, and they’re really a better team. They sure have been fun to watch a times this year.

    Today saw a poor powerplay that couldn’t figure out how to chip in the puck and then out-man the retrieval. They also displayed a real static 1-2-2, and took some stupid penalties themselves, so maybe they were simply tired.

    I have liked the team’s battle as this has seemed like a season of adversity again. The shooting has dried up, the injuries are wearing, Whitney has to learn a new 100%, no one knows what the deal is with Peckham, the coach is new, again, and Yak doesn’t seem to get to hang out with the cool kids, yet.

    Thr bright spot though, has been goaltending, and that’s a nice light to have.

  155. Gi JQE says:

    Been read LT for over a year now. Great group of guys commenting . Has been excellent on long shifts at work !!

    Thanks all , even you DSf! I know you are reading !

  156. Bob Arctor says:

    spoiler: I’m a big fan of SNL’s “Lowered Epectations”.

    When did SNL start ripping off Mad TV?

  157. Schitzo says:

    icecastles: Have to think that given his apparent history of issues with coaches, Kreuger could have the best shot at getting something out of him. Penner seems to respond to the carrot much better than he does to the stick. Sadly, he’s mostly been treated with the latter whenever his production has lagged.

    I have always thought that Penner is at his best when he’s put into a position of responsibility – I think his best stretch of hockey came during a stretch in 2009-2010 when most of the top six were out due to injury. When he’s in more of a supporting role he seems to disappear more often, although the underlying numbers are still pretty good.

  158. Schitzo says:

    Lowetide:
    Dubnyk is Bernie freaking Parent tonight. The Oilers are shitty. ShittyShittyShittyShittyShittyShittyShittyShittyShittyShittyShittyShittyShitty Shitty

    Shitty

    I was thinking the ghost of Dom Hasek, but either way.

  159. Schitzo says:

    Random thoughts:

    Liked the use of the goalies – I’d rather play the starter for the easier game and lock up one win, and then laugh like a madman if the backup steals the other one. The alternative is risking your starter losing the tough game and the backup shitting the bed in a winnable game.

    Hated seeing Eberle get clobbered but full credit to Johnson for the clean hit – he could have taken Eberle’s head clean off if he wanted to.

    Was sure that Schultz the Younger was beat on the near-breakaway, before that insane inside-out pokecheck.

    Seems like Magnus finally realized he’s bigger than most of the other guys on the ice with him.

    Must be nice to be Eberle – nice life when your biggest flaw is being too coordinated.

    And the Brier should have a wildcard slot. It’s insane that one of Martin or Koe won’t be there, when they’re probably two of the top four rinks in Canada.

  160. Schitzo says:

    And a question for the audience:

    You are a coach, and your team just took a penalty where you pick who serves it (e.g. too many men, instigating, whatever).

    Who do you send across to sit? I know the common wisdom is a scorer who doesn’t PK, and today Krueger sent Yak for the early too many men penalty. But if you end up taking a second penalty and going down to 5-on-3, the first guy out of the box is some yahoo who has no idea where he needs to be.

    I’d rather see him use Hemsky or Eberle as the warm body of choice – someone who stands a chance of anticipating the next play and picking off a pass.

    Or hell, it’d be unconventional, but have a defenceman serve it. J. Schultz isn’t killing penalties anyways.

  161. FPB94 says:

    Schitzo: Usually you do send somebody who knows where to be, or a fast guy hoping for a breakaway goal (if you’re down). That penalty can also serve to get messages across.

  162. bookjLe says:

    delooper: like Magnus finally realized

    Yeah, its funny, it was once nice and simple ‘bookie’ and the funny thing is that most people likely think it in reference to gambling or something. I seem to remember seeing some asinine comment and wanting to comment on it and so I needed a username, so I just typed book (probably because I had a book beside me) and it was taken so then I just typed bookie and there it was. I should probably start gambling now just to make it work.

  163. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Schitzo: Or hell, it’d be unconventional, but have a defenceman serve it. J. Schultz isn’t killing penalties anyways.

    It’s ALWAYS a forward, cuz there are almost always 2 d-men on the ice during the PK. Often it’s a rookie, ergo Yak.

    Btw, J.Schultz is averaging north of a minute per game on the PK.

  164. bookjLe says:

    Also – last thought for the night – that move by Shultz was ninjalike.

  165. Zelepukin says:

    At one point I think Debrusk was talking about JSchultz (can we please get a nickname now, Jshow?) and how he became good friends with Gags a couple years back, which was a strong factor in him deciding to sign here. You think those kind of strong friendships are starting to have an influence on upper management’s decisions to possibly trade any of our kids?

  166. Schitzo says:

    Bruce McCurdy: It’s ALWAYS a forward, cuz there are almost always 2 d-men on the ice during the PK. Often it’s a rookie, ergo Yak.

    Btw, J.Schultz is averaging north of a minute per game on the PK.

    Agreed, but for the sake of argument is there any advantage to using a third defenceman who can skate as well as any forward?

    Off the top of my head, maybe there’s an edge if you can get the 4th skater out of the box, and have him rotate down low at the first chance, to spell off a D with tired legs.

  167. Woodguy says:

    Schitzo: Agreed, but for the sake of argument is there any advantage to using a third defenceman who can skate as well as any forward?

    Off the top of my head, maybe there’s an edge if you can get the 4th skater out of the box, and have him rotate down low at the first chance, to spell off a D with tired legs.

    Then the D would have to play like a F, and because they don’t know how instinctively , they would have to think and wouldn’t be able to make decisions fast enough to keep up with play.

    A wise man once said “Don’t think, you’ll just hurt the ball club”

  168. BlacqueJacque says:

    Hey, I heard the Oilers are looking for a #1 defenceman.

    How about this local product, Sheldon Souray? 11, 4-3-7, +10.

    For all the crap Souray did, I was always suspicious that the Oilers did in fact press him to play injured.

  169. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: Then the D would have to play like a F, and because they don’t know how instinctively , they would have to think and wouldn’t be able to make decisions fast enough to keep up with play.

    A wise man once said “Don’t think, you’ll just hurt the ball club”

    Yeah, did you see how Fistric reacted as a “forward” after he came out of the penalty box? He literally made a line change while the puck was in Oilers’ end — and CBJ scored their only goal on the play! You could hardly find a more glaring example of Woodguy’s point.

    Mind you, I don’t think Fistric was quite the guy Schitzo had in mind! He’s just a case in point.

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