5 PLACE VIOLET

The birthplace of the modern Oiler defense was probably the moment when Justin Schultz decided to bless this house with his considerable skill. That’s the birthplace of true, generational beauty. A decade ago the Oilers had a strong backline (Janne Niinimaa, Jason Smith, Eric Brewer, Steve Staios) and I liked it that way. There’s a certain confidence you get as a fan when the team you cheer for has the ability to bend not break.

WHERE MY STUDEBAKER TAKES ME

I think this Justin Schultz fellow is something else–he’s been splendid as a rookie and one suspects the Oilers fell ass over tea kettle into a building block. Jeff Petry suffered a little because of inactivity during the lockout, but I’d bet he’ll have a long and successful NHL career based on what we’ve seen.

Ladislav Smid SHOULD be signed by now–three year deal and a nice press conference. He’s earned it.

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Jason Gregor wrote about it  over at ON the other day:

  • Gregor: The Oilers can’t afford to lose him this summer, and they likely won’t get more than prospects and picks for him at the deadline. They need to re-sign him. The Oilers can’t lose a young, veteran player just as they are starting to show signs of improving, especially when they don’t have much depth on the blueline. Look at a four-year deal worth $3.3-$3.8 million/year and get the deal done.

Oiler fans everywhere would be thrilled with that deal, and if they get it done that’s three legs of the Niinimaa-Smith-Brewer-Staios blue table. The fourth? Well, the answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind.

I felt the same way about Ales Hemsky a year ago, and that worked out so all hope is not lost. We wait.

 

Ladislav Smid 10-11

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.43 (6th among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 1.04 (6th among Oil D)
  • Qual Comp: 4th toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 5th best available among D
  • Corsi Rel: 2.3 (3rd best among D)
  • Zone Start: 48.6% (2nd toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 51.1% (2nd best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 48 shots/0 goals
  • Boxcars: 78gp, 0-10-10
  • Plus Minus: -10 on a team that was -52

Ladislav Smid 11-12

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.64 (3rd among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 3rd best available among D
  • Corsi Rel: -.6 (4th best among D)
  • Zone Start: 49.3% (4th toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 52.6% (best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 47 shots/10.6% (1st among Oilers D)
  • Boxcars: 78gp, 5-10-15
  • Plus Minus: +4 on a team that was -26

Ladislav Smid 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.13 (6th among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 2nd best available among D
  • Corsi Rel: .8 (2nd best among D)
  • Zone Start: 48.3% (5th toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 49.7% (3rd best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 15 shots no goals
  • Boxcars: 29gp, 0-2-2
  • Plus Minus: -2 on a team that is -17.

Smid once again (with Petry) is playing the toughest opposition and has a Corsi Rel in the black. The only negative about Smid is what happens when the puck is in Oiler possession–his shot is not strong, his pass to forwards does not ignite the rush, his sorties up ice usually end with an awkward moment when he begins to look at options. Often, he skates himself into a corner, bringing the opportunity to an end.

That’s why the Oilers are probably hesitant to give him big money–Smid does not have a complete skill set. He isn’t Petry, or Schultz. The Oilers may feel that have Smid’s eventual replacement in Klefbom, and further may feel a desire to add a LH puck moving option to the left side for 13-14, a left side that will include stay-at-home options in Nick Schultz and Oscar Klefbom.

Smid is a better player than Nick Schultz, but one has a contract for next season and the other does not, and that may be enough to send Smid on his  way.

 

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  1. slopitch says:

    Speaking of Klefbom (I read this tweet this morn and shoulda waited for the new post) I read this on the twitter the other day.

    Matias Strozyk ‏@MaStrozyk 16 Mar
    Klefbom told Värmlands Folkblad he’s been on the ice a few times w/o pain in shoulder. Might return this spring if #Oilers give permission.

    Also, Oilers should make a pitch for 6″3 future power forward Chris Kreider. Rangers are in 9th and might have pressure to make the dance.

    Sign Smid!

  2. DBO says:

    Stay safe all you Edmonton folk.

    Crazy that for the last 2-3 years we have mentioned our need for certain types of defenders. It would be the epitome of asinine to trade away an essentially home grown dman after going through all his growing pains. A tough stay at home dman is always needed in your top 4, and the nice thing is that he has good mobility. Not the best passer or puck rusher, but his speed is good enough that hopefully it will sustain him for at least 4 or 5 years.You lock him up, and you pencil him in at 2 LD and smile about it.

    ???? – Shultz
    Smid – Petry
    Shultz – ????
    Fistric/Peckham

    1 LD and 3 RD (upgrade Potter please). Do it at the deadline, or do it in the summer but it would really help if it happened in the next week. Move Whitney if you can. Move one of Peckham, Fistric or Potter (for god’s sake please only carry 7 dmen on the roster).

    please tell me the organization is not so blind as to not realize what our D needs?!?

  3. Lowetide says:

    27. 27 years old.

  4. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    27. 27 years old.

    … with an Oiler logo tattooed on his chest and two more on his butt cheeks.

  5. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    Exactly. LT do you think that Smid is the possible wink wink UFA trade (known as the Lamoriello special) where you deal him for something to help the team and then sign him in the off season. Are there rules around that? Only wonder if we drop off in the next 3 or 4 games, allowing us to send guys out. If we run the next 3 then of course we are buying, but lose 3 and we are or should be selling.

    “Ladi, we like you, we want you long term, if we deal you we add a good piece and then this off season we can sign you”. That is a risk, but wonder if Tambo would ever entertain it (or hell, is it against the CBA or anything?)

  6. tcho says:

    It was nice to read the hint of optimism in the Hemsky signing reference. Pretty please, no more of the alarmist “Sail on, HC Liberec” posts? (That one almost gave me an aneurism) The thought of giving up Smid for picks at the deadline makes me sadder than any short term stuff.

  7. blackdog says:

    Sign him and bring in another guy to play top four. How is this so difficult? What is this organization’s fear of having a lot of good players.

    They ended up in the tank because Lowe kept shipping out quality without replacing it properly. Now that they are getting good they need TO KEEP THEIR GOOD PLAYERS AND ADD TO THEM!

    Its not that difficult for fuck sakes.

  8. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Roxy Music I, mmmm. One of the great debut albums ever. It was as if Roxy came on the scene as a full blown contender without any growing pains or albums that missed the playoffs.

    Also: Brian Eno on keyboards. Brian Eno FFS. Not a bad ace to have up your (sequined) sleeve.

  9. godot10 says:

    DBO:
    Lowetide,

    Exactly. LT do you think that Smid is the possible wink wink UFA trade (known as the Lamoriello special) where you deal him for something to help the team and then sign him in the off season. Are there rules around that? Only wonder if we drop off in the next 3 or 4 games, allowing us to send guys out. If we run the next 3 then of course we are buying, but lose 3 and we are or should be selling.

    “Ladi, we like you, we want you long term, if we deal you we add a good piece and then this off season we can sign you”. That is a risk, but wonder if Tambo would ever entertain it (or hell, is it against the CBA or anything?)

    I’d prefer to stay in the playoff hunt, but if the Oilers fall out of the race by the deadline, a riverboat gambling GM, would trade Smid to Pittsburgh for Joe Morrow, watch Smid in the playoffs, which de-risks giving Smid a big long contract to return to Edmonton on July 1 IF he plays well.

    Pittsburgh weakness is the depth of its veteran defensive D. Come crunch time, good teams, like Philly last year (and a bad Philly team this year) and Montreal can score against them. Boston is going to add offense at the deadline. LA and Anaheim are big teams. Chicago is a deep talented offensive team. And PIttsburgh really wouldn’t have the cap space to re-sign him (with Malkin and Letang needing new contracts soon).

    But I don’t think the Oilers are going to be far enough out of it at the deadline if they stay healthy the next two weeks.

  10. spoiler says:

    Sign Smid!

  11. Ice Sage says:

    Yes, I’d like it very much if they were to sign #5.
    BUT, we really don’t know what other irons are in the fire at this point… Oilers in a faint hope playoff run, stuff will break loose closer to trade deadline, etc.
    And, if Smid’s agent wants D1-D3 money, that can’t happen, even if he was traded for Pronger once

  12. DBO says:

    Rishaug mentioning that he doesn’t expect much addition this deadline, but it will be more about who they keep. Smid is top priority, Fistric 2nd. Jones and Whitney are the ones to question. I hope they move both and as painful as it may be, this will be our lineup down the stretch.

    Hall-Horc-Hemsky
    Smyth-Nuge-Eberle
    Paajarvi-Gagner-Yakupov
    Petrell-Belanger-Brown
    Harsky-Lander

    Smid-Petry
    Shultz-Shultz
    Fistric-Potter
    Peckham

    Whitney and Jones do not significantly upgrade this lineup, so because of that you trade them away and try to get anything that helps you for next year.

  13. Halfwise says:

    It’s all because of a simple communication breakdown:

    KL “Remember, Steve, you can’t have too much depth or talent on defense”

    ST “Got it.”

    English is such a stupid language…

  14. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Halfwise,

    Steve also misparsed “You always can win the lottery”

  15. Beaker says:

    godot10,

    ummmm which is it… he doesnt play well so we can resign him for cheaper or he plays well and we resign him because he plays well?

  16. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Roxy Music I, mmmm. One of the great debut albums ever. It was as if Roxy came on the scene as a full blown contender without any growing pains or albums that missed the playoffs.

    Also: Brian Eno on keyboards. Brian Eno FFS. Not a bad ace to have up your (sequined) sleeve.

    Amen brother!

    What the Oil could probably use is some “Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zSrkb5pkrQ

  17. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I really hope they don’t drop Smid hoping that Klefbom can step up. That’s as crazy an idea as dropping Gilbert because J Schultz may be in your back pocket.

    Building depth doesn’t mean dumping out your 3/4 full beer the moment you get a glimpse of the waitress at the far end of the bar.

  18. Truth Movement says:

    Edmonton Oilers‏@EdmontonOilers6m
    GM Steve Tambellini announces #Oilers have agreed to terms with @EdmOilKings forward @T_Ewanyk on a 3-year entry-level contract

  19. TheOtherJohn says:

    Do not have the time or knowledge to confirm but Godot were you one of the idiots, er guys defending Oiler managements signing of Sutton at last years trade deadline on the basis that if we traded hmi with the ….nudge, nudge, wink, wink …. we’ll sign you June 1 as free agent, he may sign there or elsewhere

    It deinitely sounds like the type ofl argument made by management apologists.

    Smid represents a part of our core, or should. You do not move him and “hope” he comes back. He may find he like playing with Sid, Malkin and competeing for Lord Stanley’s cup year after year

    Two stunningly illogical thoughts:
    1) why do we keep hearing (presumably floated by the Oilers) that you cannot pay a defensive D $3.5m per? Maybe someobne should tell Lowe & Tambellini that they traded for Nic Schultz who they are paying $3.6m this year and next to play 3rd pairing minutes. Sheesh

    2) who the f*#k is stupid eniough to consider resigning Ryan Whitney? I’d sign a 41 year old Ray Whitney to play D for us before I’d resign Ryan Whitney

  20. Ribs says:

    Dreger tweets…

    Rangers place Halpern, Caps place Crabb, Canes place Boychuk, Bolts place Lee on Waivers

    I remember you looking at Lee, a while back, LT. Is he any good these days?

  21. Ribs says:

    …His -13 with 0 points may be an quick indication…

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Truth Movement:
    Edmonton Oilers‏@EdmontonOilers6m
    GM Steve Tambellini announces #Oilers have agreed to terms with @EdmOilKings forward @T_Ewanyk on a 3-year entry-level contract

    the ever prescient LT the other day:

    L Travis Ewanyk (Edmonton WHL) 58, 8-15-23 but the 119 pims are what might earn him a contract. The Oilers are extremely high on this player, or at least they were midway through this past season. I don’t think he’ll ever deliver enough offense to play in the NHL. NHLE 82, 3-7-10 (age 19 season).
    My guess is that it shakes out like this:
    Rieder signs and plays with OKC next season, possibly on a line with Pelss and Lander.
    Zharkov returns to Belleville.
    Gernat signs with the Oilers and starts his pro career in OKC.
    Moroz returns to Edmonton.
    Musil signs with the Oilers and starts his pro career in OKC.
    Ewanyk is not signed.
    Now watch them sign Ewanyk tomorrow.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/03/spring-summer-autumn-winter-and-spring-again.html

  23. TheOtherJohn says:

    Ribs

    Just don’t mention Mark Antoine Pouliot ended his season in Biel where he is a scoring machine and is now a free agent

  24. hunter1909 says:

    Klowe sails close to the wind as possible at all times; therefore Smid goes to “make room” for Klefbom. Meanwhile, fuck knows what their plan is re any kind of improvement, other than making sure deadline day 2014 is circled red.

    2014.

    And that’s all she’s likely to write.

  25. Factotum says:

    blackdog,

    I was just about to recite what I call The Dictum of BDHS (TM): “Keep your good players. Get more good players.” when lo and behold, you showed up to do it yourself!

    The concept is also occasionally referred to as “The Detroit Model”, but sadly it often seems too complex for the Oilers’ Hollow Men to grasp.

    To simplify it for them: Sign Ladi. Do it today.

  26. In the Grease says:

    Halfwise:
    It’s all because of a simple communication breakdown:

    KL “Remember, Steve, you can’t have too much depth or talent on defense”

    ST “Got it.”

    English is such a stupid language…

    Props

  27. Ribs says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    Might have already done that :)

  28. wheatnoil says:

    The thing is, if the the season ended today, I suspect Oiler’s management would be quite happy with themselves this season. 30-30-29-22. Success! When you have low expectations, it doesn’t take a lot to meet them.

    On another note: Sign Smid!

  29. justDOit says:

    Truth Movement:
    Edmonton Oilers‏@EdmontonOilers6m
    GM Steve Tambellini announces #Oilers have agreed to terms with @EdmOilKings forward @T_Ewanyk on a 3-year entry-level contract

    I know that not all contracts count against the 50 limit, but don’t know the rules behind this – does Ewanyk’s count? Is that 50 then?

  30. TheOtherJohn says:

    In fairness to LT he was projecting what he thought a reasonably smart GM would do. You know: someone from the Ray Shero, Junior Bowman,Ken Holland, PHX Maloney school.

    It’s the Oilers. The decision may be no more complicated than KLowe asking Keegan at breakfast what do you think of Travis Ewanyk and being told he’s a real good guy. After all he won 6 Stanley Cups, CHECK: he must know what he’s doing! All evidence to the contrary

    Think Oil could use someone with Ewanyk’s in your face type of game in bottom 6. Just not sure Ewanyk is going to be the player to be able to translate that skill and progress to the NHL level.

  31. FrankenOil says:

    justDOit,

    Pretty sure it does not. It will start counting in 2013/2014.

  32. godot10 says:

    TheOtherJohn:

    Two stunningly illogical thoughts:
    1) why do we keep hearing (presumably floated by the Oilers) thatyou cannot pay a defensive D $3.5m per? Maybe someobne should tell Lowe & Tambellini that they traded for Nic Schultz who they are paying $3.6m this year and next to play 3rd pairing minutes. Sheesh

    Smid is going to get a lot more than $3.5 million. The Oilers will be lucky to get him signed for under $4 million per season. Veteran third pairing defensive D have been routinely signing for $3-$3.5 milliion. I don’t think Smid views himself as a 3rd pairing defensemen.

  33. TheOtherJohn says:

    Nobody thinks of Smid as a 3rd pairing D.

    If they can acquire him, Detroit will play him with Kronwall on their 1 st pairing. He’d be an upgrade on Ericksen. LoweBellini will say: ” guess Detroit didn’t get memo on not paying defensive D real $$

    We’ll spend next 4 years trying to replace Smid’s skill set .

    Next we’ll hear Whitney playing better and “really wants to stay with organization, poise, Stevie Y really likes him” 3 years at $10m

  34. VanOil says:

    Not signing Smid would be crazy.

    Not crazy beautiful, like Mrs. Sue here, who can convince me she can control the weather after dancing in her Pj’s.

    http://youtu.be/mJtM7SRo6l8

    But plain old crazy stupid.

    p.s. I realize this is a roxy blog, but Bruce brought up rookie sensations. She is.

  35. Genjutsu says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I’m actually a fan of the move the best thing for the future of the franchise was to have both Petry and Schultz playing top 4 mins this year and wanted Petry facing the toughs last year. Makes us weaker in the short term but was a crucial for development.

  36. spoiler says:

    I don’t know if anyone has said this yet but…

    Sign Smid!

  37. hunter1909 says:

    Of course one clue might be…

    The management hasn’t been slagging Smid off. Usually they’re handing out tar+feathers at this point.

  38. Woodguy says:

    godot10: Smid is going to get a lot more than $3.5 million. The Oilers will be lucky to get him signed for under $4 million per season.Veteran third pairing defensive D have been routinely signing for $3-$3.5 milliion.I don’t think Smid views himself as a 3rd pairing defensemen.

    Good vet D with no offense that play top pairing or 2nds:

    Girardi $3.235
    Scuderi r $3.4
    Tallinder (2nd pair when signed) 3.375
    Beauchemin $3.5
    Allen (ANA) $3.5
    Phillips $3.08
    Orpik $3.75

    $4MM is wrong.

    $3.5MM max for Smid, he brings less offense than the guys above and his first pass is suspect.

    You also predicted minimum $7MM/yr for Hall and Eberle so I take solace in that you are predicting $4.0 for Smid
    :)

    No offense means no $4MM

  39. Hayek says:

    Props to Lowetide, you correctly predicted Ewanyk would get an entry level deal.

    I think it is absolutely horrendus to sign someone who projects to be Vandevelde. Don’t know if you guys agree.

  40. asiaoil says:

    Volchenkov – $4.25 million……….just say’in

  41. bendelson says:

    In regards to a trade with to Ottawa for BIshop:

    Whitney for Bishop? Excellent trade for Oilers. Never going to happen.
    Schultz for Bishop? Reasonable. Highly unlikely it will happen.
    Smid for Bishop? Crazy bad… so Smid for Bishop it is!

    Stauffer is doing his best to send Smid packing today…

    “His offence has actually regressed this season”. (WHAT offense Bob?)
    “Swedes have proven that they can step right in and there is a very good chance Klefbom is going to better than Smid”.
    “3 to 3.2M is about right for a one dimensional guy like Smid”
    and of course…
    “Don’t get me wrong people, I like Smid a lot!”

    Button disagrees with Stauffer re: Smid citing his significant value on the Oilers.
    Button also loves Klefbom as well (“a left shot Brent Seabrook!”) but doesn’t tie his love of Klefbom to running Smid out of town.

    Nuge out again tonight.
    Stauffer mentioned ‘mono’ though the company line remains ‘flu’.

    .

  42. DeadmanWaking says:

    In the Grease:
    KL “Remember, Steve, you can’t have too much depth or talent on defense”

    I tend to avoid the formality of “one can’t expect” because it creates the jarring perception that one has just switched from English to Latin.

    But even stupid formalities usually have a grain of truth at the bottom.

    Katz: Wait just a minute, guys! Did I hear that right? Kevin, you can’t speak like that! We’re running a tight ship here.

    Kevin: Can’t speak like that? What the hell do you mean? I just did.

    Katz: Keven, you mayn’t speak like that on the bridge of this-here tight ship.

    Kevin: Well if that’s what you meant, why didn’t you say so the first time?

    Idiom: “you can’t”
    Translation: Some social norm or convention or implied rule or habit of conduct or boundary or recent trend or unthinking lip-service or accepted personal limitation has just been violated in some capacity real or imagined or potentially perceived or thoughtlessly construed or feasibly misconstrued as such.

    The problem here is that humans exchange status reminders like so many loose pennies. As for the disappearance of the serviceable English word “may”, it was voted off the island as viable coinage on the rocky shoals of puberty.

    There are many web forms where I purport to reside at “666 Unrequired St.” “Unrequired” is one of my favourite words.

    Web form designer: You can’t just “unrequire” that!
    Me: Whatever do you mean? I just did.
    Web form designer: You mayn’t just “unrequire” that!
    Me: As far as I’m concerned, you mayn’t have required it in the first place.

    Adults engaged in a land-grab also tend to eschew clarity in the social transaction.

  43. dessert1111 says:

    Players in Junior don’t count to the contract limit.

    As if Ewanyk is the first one they sign this year. It better be just because he’s local. If they pass on any of the other, much better options, I’ll be extremely agitated.

  44. M Parkatti says:

    Yeah, I kind of hope the Oilers can get Smid on a ‘hometown’ discount type of deal that every team needs to compete. This is a huge test of management. Do players like them enough to sign a bit of a discount to stay here, or is it just the BELANGER TIMES 3 YEARS type of ‘discount’. Smid doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who’d get big term in UFA, but he might get money. I still say using term as your leverage is the proper path here. 6 years times $3.33M seems about right to me. That’s a $20M guaranteed contract. I guess it’s possible someone goes nuts and gives him a $5M times 4, but I really hope that’s not the Oilers…

  45. godot10 says:

    Woodguy: Good vet D with no offense that play top pairing or 2nds:

    Girardi$3.235
    Scuderi r $3.4
    Tallinder (2nd pair when signed) 3.375
    Beauchemin $3.5
    Allen (ANA) $3.5
    Phillips $3.08
    Orpik $3.75

    $4MM is wrong.

    $3.5MM max for Smid, he brings less offense than the guys above and his first pass is suspect.

    You also predicted minimum $7MM/yr for Hall and Eberle so I take solace in that you are predicting $4.0 for Smid

    No offense means no $4MM

    Scuderi’s contract is 4 years old. Like Smid, he is a UFA. Let’s see what he gets this summer. It too will likely have a “4″ as the first digit.

    Girardi’s contract was signed 2.5 years ago, with 1.5 years to run. He will get more than $4 after next season.

    Orpik’s contract was signed 4.5 years ago.

    Josh Gorges is more recent. He got $3.9 million and 6 effing years.

    On July 1, Smid will score $4 million easy. mc79 hypothesized $4.5

    There is a dollar and term figure where signing Smid does not represent value for money.

    I am all for signing Smid, but at the right price point.

    Screaming “sign Smid” without attaching a dollar and term figure to that “scream” is an intellectually dishonest. Aren’t we all moneypuck guys now? Contracts have to be value for money. Thus, we just can’t scream for a contract unless we also assert a price.

  46. godot10 says:

    Ewanyk will be a test of a different strategy for developing the bottom of the roster.

    Most bottom six roster players are failed junior scorers who had to learn to check for a living. The Oilers have development coaches now. They are clearly experimenting with identifying a skill set for a bottom six player, and develop them with that in mind from day 1.

    I will withhold judgment. It may be a worthwhile experiment.

  47. Factotum says:

    If we can agree that Smid is a solid second pairing D …

    Per Capgeek, median cap hit of 3rd-highest paid D on each team = $3.39M. 25th Percentile = $2.91M; 75th Percentile = $3.85M

    (For the 4th-highest, median = $2.65M. 25th Percentile = $2.25M; 75th Percentile = $3.2M)

    I’d give him #3 money. $4M looks like it would be a clear overpay.

  48. godot10 says:

    Factotum:
    If we can agree that Smid is a solid second pairing D …

    Per Capgeek, median cap hit of 3rd-highest paid D on each team = $3.39M. 25th Percentile = $2.91M; 75th Percentile = $3.85M

    (For the 4th-highest, median = $2.65M. 25th Percentile = $2.25M; 75th Percentile = $3.2M)

    I’d give him #3 money. $4M looks like it would be a clear overpay.

    The wrong way to look at market value. Smid is a 2nd pairing veteran defensive D. Look at all the contracts signed by 3rd pairing veteran D over the last two years, and that becomes a lower bound for Smid. In the last two years, veteran 3rd pairing defensive D have signed for $3-$3.5 million per season.

  49. BONVIE says:

    DBO,

    You mean what they did with Smyth to the Islanders? How did that work out for us?

  50. Factotum says:

    godot10: I am all for signing Smid, but at the right price point.

    Screaming “sign Smid” without attaching a dollar and term figure to that “scream” is an intellectually dishonest. Aren’t we all moneypuck guys now?Contracts have to be value for money.Thus, we just can’t scream for a contract unless we also assert a price.

    Fair enough, then, here’s my price: Four years, anything less than $4M AAV. Gorges money would be fine, but 6 years is a bit too long for my taste.

    Presumably I can go back to chanting “Sign Ladi” now, yes?

  51. Lucinius says:

    Regarding Smid; he will get more than 4 million a year if eh hits the open market. That’s just how it is; weak UFA market, a number of teams absolutely desperate for d-men, and the trend of what a guy like Smid gets signed for lately is pushing it all up above 4 million.

    Secondly, Smid is not a second pairing d-man. He is the second guy on a top pairing. He’s who you put with a Weber, or a Suter. He only gets pushed to the top guy on the second pairing if your top pairing is that good or you have good chemistry going with your top pair. Yes, he’s not a #1 d-man, and I’m not saying he is; I’m saying he’s the guy you can easily slot into that 2nd or 3rd d-man slot and feel comfortable. He’d be top pairing in Detroit, as an example.

    No, he doesn’t bring offense — though I’d argue the only reason he doesn’t is because his slapshot is pathetic and his first pass isn’t great, but its not horrible either. A lot of his lack of offense comes from how he constantly defers to his partners in that area. Breaking out of the zone? He’ll try to get Petry, Whitney or whomever to do the breakout pass because they are better at it, or because he’s just got that kind of attitude. You see similar on deferring the shot from the point; even though his wrist shot is decent. He’s a pretty good skater and his ability to turn is surprising. He’s got a mean streak and will wrestle, pin, hit and stand up to anyone.

    Throw in his age and experience.. and with his skillset he’s a perfect fit for most teams in the league. as that 2-3 guy. If the Oilers can get him to sign for anything less than 4 million I’ll be happy. At 4 I get nervous. Not because of Smid, but because our cap situation down the road doesn’t really allow for him to get that kind of money.

    I really think a lot of people here under-value what Smid brings, especially considering his apparent leadership, effort and team-centric play. He goes and you’ll see him do very well in another town where his partner on that top pairing isn’t someone like Petry who’s still learning and making a lot of mistakes that Smid has been forced to try and cover for (and who ice a group of forwards who aren’t utterly inept in their own zone, an aspect of our d-men’s results that cannot be stated enough).

    Sign Smid.

    Now, about Paajarvi, since I missed yesterday’s discussion; the play that impressed me the most was the one where Yak was about to get drawn into a confrontation with a Shark, and then Paajarvi skated through the two; forcing separation and he said something to Yak, not the Shark. Not sure what it was, but immediately after Paajarvi said it Yak forgot about the Shark and went after the puck, across the ice. It was like Paajarvi reminded Yak of the score and not to risk it. To hold his game in check and play. Paajarvi never stopped, just.. skated through the two and brought immediate focus to Yak to what mattered; the play on the ice.

    That showed a maturity and attitude I love. Combine that with his attitude in general about getting sent down, getting sat, trying to find his game after his first horrible season in hockey.. and I can’t say enough good things about the guy. You give him a full season, next year, on that line.. and I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised by what he delivers.

    As for Kadri:Paajarvi… I’d take Paajarvi over Kadri any day of the week. Kadri’s numbers this year are not sustainable (though they are excellent numbers), but even if they were.. I’m sorry. Anyone who is stupid enough to do the throat slash gesture? Fuck him. And its not the only example of a personality issue with the guy. He’s got a ton of skill.. but he just rubs me the wrong way. I think he’ll have a number of issue in the locker-room and one the ice in the future if he can’t keep things in check.

    If he does? Fantastic for him (and Toronto), but I’m not sold yet.

  52. TheOtherJohn says:

    Solved Oilers problem: sign Smid to 5 year $3.6m contract and peddle Nic Schultz to whoever needs a #5 D making said $3.6m on their 3rd pairiing. That will make the Gilbert trade look real good: Gilbert for a bag of pucks.

    Oiler management at its absolute best

    Before Bob Stauffer gets to say “Swedes have proven that they can step right in” I would point out Adam Larsen was a noticeably better player in the Swedish Elite league than Kelfbom and he’s playing 18 minutes a night 2 years later.

    I certainly hope Klefbom is going to be better than Smid but am not sure that him doing it 3 or4 years from now fills the hole that trading Smid makes.

  53. BONVIE says:

    godot10: Smid is going to get a lot more than $3.5 million. The Oilers will be lucky to get him signed for under $4 million per season.Veteran third pairing defensive D have been routinely signing for $3-$3.5 milliion.I don’t think Smid views himself as a 3rd pairing defensemen.

    If this was the truth then how would any team stay under the cap? Is your team going to be void of any stars? When you see a dman signing for over 4 million who isn’t a top tier defenseman than you know they are signed by the Calgary Flames or Buffalo Sabres, and will enjoy similar fates.

    True each year the top free agents sign large contracts and are overpayed and rarely live up to these contracts spending their last few seasons of their career being hated by the fans for their inability to live up to that contract.

    I think a deal gets done for around 3.5m for 4years.

  54. steveb12344 says:

    If Det loses in Anahiem tonight, it will put Det a half game back of SJ in eighth. Putting us back to 1 game out of eighth…. Gooo Ducks!

    Also a win against St L tomorrow will really tighten up the cluster around eighth. They are starting Halak, so a win should be doable. Goooo Oilers!

  55. Factotum says:

    godot10: The wrong way to look at market value.Smid is a 2nd pairing veteran defensive D.Look at all the contracts signed by 3rd pairing veteran D over the last two years, and that becomes a lower bound for Smid.In the last two years, veteran 3rd pairing defensive D have signed for $3-$3.5 million per season.

    No worries, but where did I say I was looking at *market* value?

  56. spoiler says:

    Has Smid been signed yet?

  57. godot10 says:

    BONVIE: If this was the truth then how would any team stay under the cap? Is your team going to be void of any stars? When you see a dman signing for over 4 million who isn’t a top tier defenseman than you know they are signed by the Calgary Flames or Buffalo Sabres, and will enjoy similar fates.

    True each year the top free agents sign large contracts and are overpayed and rarely live up to these contracts spending their last few seasons of their career being hated by the fans for their inability to live up to that contract.

    I think a deal gets done for around 3.5m for 4years.

    Veteran D who can play are scarce commodities. They will get paid. The salary squeeze will come elsewhere…veteran forwards who bring little offense. One stays under the cap by having a few entry level players on the roster, and cheaper value-for-money players in your bottom six and in your 3rd pairing.

    A veteran 2nd pairing D with offense who can play is $5 million.
    A veteran 3rd pairing defensive D who can play is $3.25 million.

    Smid is somewhere in the middle. The further below $4 million, the better value-for-money the contract will be. The further above $4 million, the less value-for-money the contract will be.

    Flawed players, like Whitney and Fistric, one should be able to get for far less than $3 million. Both Fistric and Whitney will probably command $2-something. I am for bringing Fistric back, but saying goodbye to Whitney. Fistric is a veteran #6 who brings physicality and can PK.

  58. asiaoil says:

    St Louis has been hanging out at Whistler on a 3 day break getting rested up and studying how to destroy the Oilers after losing to the Dys earlier this week. I will be stunned if the game is even close – thanks again Mr Schedulemaker. But no fear as mgmt has the RNH issue covered with Smyth at center and Lander/VDV waiting in OKC……….yeah right.

  59. hunter1909 says:

    asiaoil: St Louis has been hanging out at Whistler on a 3 day break getting rested up and studying how to destroy the Oilers after losing to the Dys earlier this week. I will be stunned if the game is even close – thanks again Mr Schedulemaker.

    No worries here, my esteemed friend, since it’s being reported that several of the Blues player’s have serious alcohol problems and have set themselves up for massive, crippling hangovers which should be kicking in sometime around tomorrow night.

  60. hunter1909 says:

    Sean Day appears to be Katz and his Gang’s latest Paul Coffey replacement.

    Day’s a Belgian born somehow Canadian, who’s about to enter the OHL as a 15 year old prodigy.

    He’s supposed to be a great talent, lol.

  61. VanOil says:

    I would very much like the Oilers to sign Smid. I would offer him term for reduced salary, with a cap hit of about 3.5M. Normally I am against long term contracts but with Smid’s age and the fact you now what your going to get in terms of skill and compete level it makes sense to me. A 6 year deal with a higher salary in the first 3 years and lower in the last 3 years seems prudent. If 3 years from now emerging kids like Kelfbom have made Smid redundant, or he become old and slow early, then you can trade him as a value asset to a cap floor team. I think a contract like this sooner rather than latter will spark the team as they see an asset staying rather than being shipped away. A 3.5M cap hit is doable for next year as Oilers will still have some ETL deals going and should become increasingly affordable with the rising cap over the length of the deal. Assets don’t always have to be traded right now, there will always be a market for a reliable stay at home defense man willing to block shoots, bank this one for the future. We can’t bank on the kids coming up on defense yet, let Kelfbom replace Schultz Sr when he is able and Musil replace Smid when he is 24-25 years old.

    A point no one seems to be mentioning as both an opportunity and a challenge is that this year’s UFA market could be odd if there is a rash of compliant buy outs into a declining cap hit.

  62. VanOil says:

    hunter1909:
    Sean Day appears to be Katz and his Gang’s latest Paul Coffey replacement.

    Day’s a Belgian born somehow Canadian,who’s about to enter the OHL as a 15 year old prodigy.

    He’s supposed to be a great talent, lol.

    Speaking of Belgians here is Selah Sue again http://youtu.be/-ffVG0jkG5g

  63. justDOit says:

    hunter1909:
    Sean Day appears to be Katz and his Gang’s latest Paul Coffey replacement.

    Day’s a Belgian born somehow Canadian,who’s about to enter the OHL as a 15 year old prodigy.

    He’s supposed to be a great talent, lol.

    I’ve seen video of him, and his stride is sublime. 6′ 2″, 195 lbs at 15.

    Oh, and he has poise. POISE!

  64. FrankenOil says:

    justDOit,

    I don’t know if anyone pointed this out, but Tambo was on HC@Noon yesterday and, wouldn’t you know it, he dropped the “poise” yet again.

  65. justDOit says:

    FrankenOil,

    What didn’t he drop on that interview?

    “…these things will take care of themselves…”

    Painful.

  66. VanOil says:

    If Brian Campbell gets bought out this summer and is sitting on a big suitcase of money how much will he cost to sign as a UFA? He is a left handed shot but might be a little to soft for the Oilers being a lady binger and all must mean he has no poise. Buyouts might provide some weird deals for once expensive vets to get Oilers over the hump.

  67. justDOit says:

    Another entertaining collection by Ms Baker – quite a lot of Oiler content as well as interesting stories about hockey in general.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9079787/san-jose-struggles-nhl-week-9

  68. denny33 says:

    DBO,

    I have a feeling the plan is to insert Klefbom into the Potter role….

  69. VanOil says:

    denny33:
    DBO,

    I have a feeling the plan is to insert Klefbom into the Potter role….

    I don’t have a problem with that as long as he does not have to play with Whitney. A full year in the AHL though might be better than 1/2 a year in the press box.

  70. spoiler says:

    VanOil: If Brian Campbell gets bought out this summer and is sitting on a big suitcase of money how much will he cost to sign as a UFA? He is a left handed shot but might be a little to soft for the Oilers being a lady binger and all must mean he has no poise. Buyouts might provide some weird deals for once expensive vets to get Oilers over the hump.

    I was a bit of a lady binger back in the day. Now I’m too soft.
    ;o)

  71. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    I am not Smid’s agent but just of the top of my head…seems like and easy negotiation for him.

    Ron Hainsey here in Winnipeg – 4.5million ( 0 goals )
    Bryaden Couburn – 4. 5million ( 1 goal this year )
    Mezaros – 4 million
    Komisarek – 4. 5million.

  72. denny33 says:

    godot10,

    Well, if it is one are where the Oilers have street cred – it is ‘player development’…

  73. FrankenOil says:

    Gergor on the show today talking to Corey Graham (Oil Kings PbP) and Gregor mentioned the possibility of Ewanyk going back for an overager season since Ewanyk lost an entire year (almost) last year.

    Imo, this is a great idea and seems very likely given that the Oil Kings will be graduating a lot of players off the top 2 lines and thus giving Ewanyk a chance on the top 2 lines (possibly with Moroz) to see if he can develop his offensive game.

  74. spoiler says:

    spoiler: I was a bit of a lady binger back in the day. Now I’m too soft.;o)

    So are you wearing Poise?

  75. Wolfpack says:

    Something that VANOIL said jumped out at me – with Smid, the Oilers know what they have. I have been saying that they badly need a player of that type, but in addition to that they know he blocks shots like he enjoys it and is fairly durable. He sticks up for his teammates as well, which again, is something the Oilers lack. If they have to give a bit on the term, as long as they can find a way to keep him under $4 million, I think it is a smart move to lock him up. He is only 27 and the Oilers have lived through the pain of all of his development years. As many have stated before, the mistake the Oilers management team often makes is to trade someone away and then spend three years trying to replace that exact same skillset.

    Man, I hope they keep Smid.

  76. spoiler says:

    spoiler: So are you wearing Poise?

    That Depends.

    Asshole.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    Maybe they go crazy(not exactly a stretch) and announce at a big presser that they’ve found the defenceman they’ve always been looking for before introducing the 7 year at 5.3 million per cap hit…..Ladddddddiiiiiislavvvvvvv….SMID!

  78. godot10 says:

    VanOil:
    If Brian Campbell gets bought out this summer and is sitting on a big suitcase of money how much will he cost to sign as a UFA? He is a left handed shot but might be a little to soft for the Oilers being a lady binger and all must mean he has no poise. Buyouts might provide some weird deals for once expensive vets to get Oilers over the hump.

    Note: Brian Campbell has played almost his entire junior and professional career as the right side D.

    Considering Petry and Justin Schultz, Campbell is not exactly a fit in Edmonton on the right side.

  79. denny33 says:

    VanOil,

    I agree – to play anyone with Ryan Whitney is brutal. To put a rookie with him would constitute cruel and unusual punishment….I have to assume Ryan Whitney will be gone on April 3rd.

    Agreed on the AHL – but this organization has taken a very different approach to developing players…..
    it is called F#$%#K the AHL. I have pointed out the absurdity of having Hall, RNH and now YAK
    * learn * while in the NHL . You can make a case for sheer stupidity – just from a entry contract burning perspective. ( especially burning and ECL this shortened season )

    Most teams in the NHL – have a very different idea of developing 18 year old and 19 year old kids…why not let them grow and learn to win in the AHL?

    Jim Nill of the Detroit Red Wings commented on it separately in an article for the Winnipeg Free Press. He mentioned seeing the Oilers play RNH, Hall and Eberle against 1st line D ….he expressed that was a pretty tough way to grow and learn. ( I am paraphrasing )

    I am clearly for the approach of letting the kids own the AHL first – develop physically – Hello RNH – go through AHL playoffs and learn and grow slow. Not sure what we gained by playing them so quickly – we still finished 30th, 30th and 29th….I think we could have managed that without Hall, and RNH in the lineup.

    I think at this point the Oilers are committed to throwing their front-line kids into the fire. And I think they include Klefbom in that group. Although, I could be wrong – I am just speculating.

  80. VanOil says:

    denny33,

    Agreed Kelfbom likely will not be in the AHL next year because Oilers. And because he would have to be worse than 3 of the bottom 4 defenders we have now. That would mean he sucks. Unless we sign Spoiler wearing poise, then all bets are off!

  81. commonfan14 says:

    I wonder how the fact that they paid him more than they needed to last time factors into this negotiation. Did it create some good will that might encourage him to accept a bit of a hometown discount this time, or did it just show his people that the Oilers are suckers who should be bled dry at every negotiation?

    I can’t imagine how deflating it will be to the team if he does end up getting traded. It really seems from Oil Change like he is one of the most popular guys in the room.

  82. leadfarmer says:

    if Klefbom is supposed to be Smid replacement, I am fine with it. Sign Smid to a 5 year deal. Bring Oscar up in 1 year. 3 years from now you can trade smid if need be. If you are expecting a guy who couldnt stay healthy in the SEL to stay healthy as a top 4 in the NHL you are quickly going to find yourself drafting in the lottery.

    Trade the declining asset Schultz instead. Some may still regard him as a top4 defenseman, and pay accordingly. Use that money for Smids contract.

  83. stevezie says:

    denny33:
    Woodguy,

    I am not Smid’s agent but just of the top of my head…seems like and easy negotiation for him.

    Ron Hainsey here in Winnipeg – 4.5million ( 0 goals )
    Bryaden Couburn – 4. 5million ( 1 goal this year )
    Mezaros – 4 million
    Komisarek – 4. 5million.

    Coburn had a history of offence which Smid cannot claim, Hainsey was signed by a desperate organization, and the other two are arguments against giving Smid big money because they did not work out.
    You’re forgetting Jay McKee. As you may recall he was a shot clocking expert who suddenly got 4.5 on the open market. His team quickly realised he was a pro shot-blocker because the other team had the puck when he was on the ice, and players who get banged up for a living tend to break down hard and fast.
    Jay McKee taught the NHL a lesson.
    Smid might get offered 4.5, but it will be from a desperate team in an undesirable city. With the new cap structure in place 10 mil over three years is a fair deal. A good agent might turn that into 3.5.
    Just because someone might be willing to overpay him doesn’t mean we should too.

  84. delooper says:

    The weird thing about the cap system is that if there was a truly dedicated star player that actually wanted to win, that player would devise a winning economic strategy. And players aren’t doing that.

    A winning strategy is to have a team full of the best players. The best players demand to be paid the best. If we assume “the best” means “relative to the other players on your team” this would mean a player can’t demand a contract with any larger cap hit than [total team budget for players]/[number of players on the team]. If a player were to demand any more than that, from a financial perspective what they’re saying is “okay the team is good enough, we don’t need it to get any better, I will carry the load”.

    Hmm, that’s enough simplistic pedagogy for the day!

  85. Gerta Rauss says:

    commonfan14:
    I wonder how the fact that they paid him more than they needed to last time factors into this negotiation.

    Yeah, I remember reading that quote from Smid…”I can’t believe they offered so much!!”

  86. Gerta Rauss says:

    leadfarmer:

    Trade the declining asset Schultz instead.Some may still regard him as a top4 defenseman, and pay accordingly.Use that money for Smids contract.

    Yeah, that’s the way to go. Package the elder with another asset and get someone from the Tyutin tree with a few more years on their contract. A team trying to find some cap space and maybe shed some salary commitments may look favourably on that- they get a servicable defenseman with 1 more year on his deal at a reasonable cap hit, we keep Smid and upgrade that 1LD position.

    It’ll be easier for us to find a bottom pairing D to replace Schultz the elder (either RH or LH )and we then rotate in Fistric or Klefbom in the 6 position.

  87. hunter1909 says:

    leadfarmer: If you are expecting a guy who couldnt stay healthy in the SEL to stay healthy as a top 4 in the NHL you are quickly going to find yourself drafting in the lottery.

    You’re familiar with this team, right?

  88. leadfarmer says:

    hunter1909,

    Yeah, but a guy can hope for better.

  89. leadfarmer says:

    People keep complaining about the bottom six, which while is not great, has had players come and go that while considered terrible here, in their next town were useful pieces (take Fraser for example). This makes me wonder is the bottom 6 really the problem that everyone claims they are or if the bottom 6 would look ok if the defense was somewhat respectable.
    Oh what the hell, lets fire the training staff again.

  90. TheOtherJohn says:

    denny33: godot10, Well, if it is one are where the Oilers have street cred – it is ‘player development’…

    denny33: godot10, Well, if it is one are where the Oilers have street cred – it is ‘player development’…

    I trust you are being sarcastic because NONE of the players they have selected outside of the 1st round have developed

  91. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    People keep complaining about the bottom six, which while is not great, has had players come and go that while considered terrible here, in their next town were useful pieces (take Fraser for example).This makes me wonder is the bottom 6 really the problem that everyone claims they are or if the bottom 6 would look ok if the defense was somewhat respectable.
    Oh what the hell, lets fire the training staff again.

    For next season, I think Horcoff and Paajarvi are 2/3s of a quality 3line, and Hartikainen can help too. The cupboard isn’t bare, it’s just thin.

  92. maudite says:

    1st line -> (5.0 mil per) 15.0 mil (Hall/Hopkins/Eberle UNDER ->EVEN next year)
    2nd line ->(3.5 mil per) 10.5 mil (Magnus/Gagner/Hemsky EVEN? -> OVER next year)
    3rd line ->(1.5 mil per) 4.5 mil (smyth/Horc/Yak OVER)
    4th line-> (1 mil per) 3 mil (Jonesl/Belanger/Brown OVER)
    Spare forwards (0.75 mil) -> 1.5 mil (Petrell/Harikanen ->EVEN)

    Total for forwards: 45.5 mil

    Defense
    1 -> 5 mil (Whitney-> UNDER ->UNDER and replaced next year?)
    2 -> 4.0 mil (Smid -> UNDER -> hopefully even next year
    3-4 -> 3mil (J Shultz/Petry -> UNDER and UNDER next year)
    5-6 ->1.5 mil (Fistric/Shultz -> OVER and likely OVER next year)
    7 -> 0.75 mil (Potter -> OVER?) -> Hopefully even and replaced)

    Total Defense: 14.25

    Goalies: 5 mil (3.5 & 1.5 mil or any variation)

    Total: 64.75 mil….Question where do you see savings to be made and how far apart are these salary structures and the oilers present setup?

    It’s pretty brutal at 60 mil. I might sign him to a 1 yr deal, see what happens to the cap and stress the plan is to lock him in to a long term deal just have to make certain the cap rises and the direction things look to be going. Without those tails things are going to get pretty messy. Any risk of overpays are going to really cripple and the way we are over priced on our top 6 wing talent going forward. As much as I don’t like it, I think you deal Hemmer and Nick Shultz this year if the price is right. But an even bigger issue (which has been well documented from one angle) not only do we need to find actual NHL players for our bottom 6 and defense, we more importantly have to not overpay serviceable or below replacement level bodies in these roles.

  93. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: For next season, I think Horcoff and Paajarvi are 2/3s of a quality 3line, and Hartikainen can help too. The cupboard isn’t bare, it’s just thin.

    Do you mean Pajaarvi and Hartikainen make barely acceptable 2/3rd liners? Without hesitation both appear to be trending well toward any future cup runs, beginning with 2013, which this foolhardy fan has total belief so long as Hall plays in every game.

  94. geeker99 says:

    Ladi is are best defensive d-man. Me, myself not to worried about his offensive game at this moment. As the holes in this team get filled [ larger skilled forwards] I know broken record. puck in their end a bit longer than our end would help this man. coming into his prime at 27 and we might lose him over a half million and replace with yet another rookie. one of the highest shot blockers in the league, I bet he wouldn’t losing that title.

  95. Kitchener says:

    What’s the worst-case scenario if we mildly overpay Smid on a 3 year deal? That we trade him at a trade deadline down the road? Compliance buy out?

    This is a no-brainer: sign the UFA everyone likes and the team needs.

  96. Lowetide says:

    There has to be a deal there, shorter term and more dollars or longer term and less yearly.

  97. FastOil says:

    Smid is a decent player, I like him. The thing is he plays the one position the Oilers have a depth of actually promising prospects. As long as Smid is moveable once signed everything is fine. That seems likely, with D always in demand, as long as they don’t give him big coin and term and a NTC.

    I have complete confidence that won’t happen. Really. No, really.

  98. spoiler says:

    Sign Smid!!!!

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