BLUE JACKETS AT OILERS G33 (12-13) 28.3.13

Last night was a blast on the Al Gore, with talk of Nathan Horton, Milan Lucic and various other Bruins in exchange for Hemsky, Paajarvi, Whitney, picks and prizes. There is ‘something in the air’ about these Edmonton Oilers. I think there’s a sense of urgency, a need to improve the areas that are costing victories.

I think the problem is this: not everyone is going to agree on what is needed, the order of importance for the items on the list, and the amount required to pay for the help. If we’re talking Lucic, the haul would be a mountain of assets and could fairly gut the rebuild–moving Edmonton from building a foundation to pressing for the top in a heartbeat.

No. Acquiring Nathan Horton and his contract is one thing, paying in full to get him here? Oilers aren’t there yet. Still, fun.

Here’s (once again) my list of possible assets out at the deadline:

  1. Ladislav Smid (UFA)
  2. Ryan Whitney (UFA)
  3. Mark Fistric (UFA)
  4. Ryan Jones (UFA)
  5. Nikolai Khabibulin (UFA)
  6. Ales Hemsky (UFA 2014)
  7. Ben Eager (UFA 2014)
  8. Eric Belanger (UFA 2014)
  9. Sam Gagner (RFA 2013)
  10. Theo Peckham (RFA 2013)

I don’t think the Oilers should be trading picks. Not yet, certainly not the first round selection in 2013.

souray1

Steve Tambellini arrived late summer of 2008, and about three years later would make the move that defined his time in the GM’s chair: humbling Sheldon Souray and buying out his contract. It happened on the day Tambellini made 7 transactions–putting his stamp on the team.

  1. February 28, 2011: Oilers trade L Dustin Penner to Los Angeles for D Colten Teubert, 2011 1st rd pick (Oscar Klefbom) and 2012 3rd rd pick (Daniil Zharkov). This trade–at the 2011 deadline–signaled the rebuild would continue for another season. The Oilers dealt a solid top 6 winger in exchange for three assets who are outside the NHL as we speak today, 2 years later. That’s going to make progress difficult. One note: the return for Jarome Iginla last night looks inferior compared to what Edmonton got for Penner. I remain convinced the return on the deal was fine, but giving up/not trying to compete for many seasons in a row was completely unfair to the fanbase.
  2. June 15, 2011: Oilers sign F Lennart Petrell to a 1-year contract. We didn’t know him then, but Petrell has carved out an NHL career in the same way expansion clubs acquire Euro free agents not under contract as roster options until a better player arrives through trade or the system. He’s still here.
  3. June 26, 2011: Oilers trade C Colin Fraser and Edmonton’s 2012 7th rd pick (Dmitri Sinitsyn) to Los Angeles for Ryan Smyth. I still think this is a high water mark for the Tambellini regime. Smyth’s return had enormous actual and emotional value, despite the current season’s results.
  4. June 27, 2011: Oilers do not tender qualifying offers to forwards Zack Stortini and J-F Jacques. The finishing touches on the transactions that flushed the minor league system, from Schremp to Stortini Tambellini did it in record time.
  5. July 1, 2011: Oilers buy out Sheldon Souray. The story is now infamous and has been re-told so many times I won’t bother here; suffice to say it derailed Souray’s career for a time and robbed the Oilers of an NHL defenseman in a year they probably didn’t want one. A cynic might view this as ‘perfect timing’ or ‘buying the lottery’ but I’m not convinced the Oilers were thinking that far ahead during this period. Their stated concern involved protecting the kids from Souray’s clearly negative view of the organization.
  6. July 1, 2011: Oilers sign L Ben Eager to a 3-year, $3.3M contract. Eager was the upgrade on Jacques, his resume included being a 1st rd pick and a Stanley cup ring. He was most certainly expected to play in the top 9, but concussions and ineffective play made him waiver worthy halfway through the contract.
  7. July 1, 2011: Oilers sign D Cam Barker to a 1-year, $2.25M contract. The advanced stats screamed what the boxcars suggested: this player couldn’t help the Oilers team in the role projected. Arriving the same day Edmonton bought out Sheldon Souray, it framed Steve Tambellini’s team building perfectly: he was going the wrong way–and this time, while apparently trying to improve the team.
  8. July 1, 2011: Oilers sign L Darcy Hordichuk to a 1-year, $825,000 contract. Enforcer signing was a clear upgrade over Zack Stortini, the club signed him for a second season but he did not survive the year, hitting the waiver wire early in the year.
  9. July 1, 2011: Oilers sign C Eric Belanger to a 3-year, $5.25M contract. What looked like a solid, veteran signing to address C was not successful. Of all the moves Tambellini made, I think it’s fair to say that very few thought it would be this wretched in fact. I’m inclined to file this one under ‘signings that didn’t work out’ as opposed to ‘mistakes in procurement.’
  10. July 1, 2011: Oilers trade D Kurtis Foster to Anaheim for D Andy Sutton. A good hockey trade, with Sutton playing well enough to earn another contract (and that deal did not work out due to injury). I’d place this deal in the plus column.
  11. July 1, 2011: Oilers sign D Corey Potter to a 1-year, 2-way contract. The best signing on Steve Tambellini’s big day was an item right at the end of the day, as the club used Tom Renney’s local knowledge of an old Ranger farmhand. Turned out quite well.
  12. July 12, 2011: Oilers trade Andrew Cogliano to Anaheim for 2013 2nd rd pick. The Oilers ended the summer of 2011 by sending away another player who learned in the capital and then moved on to flourish in a new town. Recalling Kyle Brodziak, Jarret Stoll, Raffi Torres and others, Cogliano has emerged as a useful player.

In 2011, the Oilers sent away Dustin Penner, Sheldon Souray, Colin Fraser, Kurtis Foster and Andrew Cogliano. They acquired Oscar Klefbom, Lennart Petrell, Ryan Smyth, Ben Eager, Cam Barker, Darcy Hordichuk, Eric Belanger, Andy Sutton, Corey Potter. Of the group acquired, Petrell, Smyth, Barker, Belanger and Potter are currently in the NHL. Oscar Klefbom and the ANA 2nd are on their way.

The big day–July 1, 2011–fizzled long ago. Souray has recovered his career, Eager, Hordichuk, Barker are barely hanging on, Sutton lost his career to injury and Belanger looks finished. Only Corey Power Potterplay remains, although the contracts of Belanger and Eager are hanging around beyond this summer.

Up next: the biggest free agent signing in many years, and his unique arrival.

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Back to the Bruins story. I’m always cynical on a trade story until smoke appears, in this case smoke represented by one or more media outlets with some credibility confirming elements of a deal.

hacks

 

Haggerty works for Comcast Sports Network, that satisfies (for me) the required threshold. So, with that as the backdrop, can we figure out the trade? I don’t think the players in the Iginla deal would be a fit for the Oilers, but the Bruins do have some things the management group would find interesting:

  • G Anton Khudobin, a soon to be UFA goaltender (age 26) with a .916SP. Oilers might find him useful as a backup to DD. 
  • R Nathan Horton, a soon to be UFA who has under-performed and had injury woes during his time in Boston. Oilers might want to acquire him and make an effort to get the big man under contract. At 27, he should have many miles left–but the injuries are a concern. Concussions are the big concern, but he’s had leg, ankle, knee injuries in the past. I think he’s a guy Boston might consider moving now, owing to his impending free agency and current struggles.
  • L Milan Lucic, soon to be extremely well paid (I don’t know how he’ll cover a $6M bet with his skill set). I can’t see any reasonable way for the Oilers to acquire him before summer, as the Bruins are committed to winning the Stanley this spring. If you’re all in–and Lucic is a unique player, despite the offensive falloff–then this player doesn’t leave the organization.

Haggerty mentions Hemsky (Horton?), Whitney and Paajarvi, but I can’t figure out a way to get Paajarvi onto the roster with value coming back in  return. Can you?

DEKEYSER SOZE

We should hear in the next 48 hours about Dan DeKeyser, I think that’s probably the beginning of the tumbler clicks for Edmonton. Sign DeKeyser and then trade Whitney? Smid? Peckham? Hell, maybe they go get Bouwmeester from Feaster, lord knows he could use an overpay.

Anyway, I’ve felt for some time the Oilers would be active this time, the organization usually does at least one thing at the deadline. This time? I’ll say two, as Tambellini claws back the 2010 selloff with additions.

  1. Last deadline: Gilbert for Schultz the elder
  2. 2011 deadline: Penner deal.
  3. 2010 deadline: Grebeshkov to Nashville, Jones waiver claim, Lubo for Whitney, Staios to the Flames.

Hold on. I think this is going to be a wild ride.

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  1. maudite says:

    Odds on more harm than good?

    I peg it around 2 to 1

  2. loosemoose says:

    well, I was duped……

    Iginla is in Pittsburg riding shotgun with Sid……

    Who say that coming?

  3. loosemoose says:

    saw……saw that coming?

    **DSF called it on ON last night. props to the happy Capt’n!

  4. Genjutsu says:

    I am firmly convinced the Oilers have their sights set on Hamilton.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Oilers have very specific needs, and that has to help. They don’t need:

    1. a second round pick
    2. a prospect miles from being ready
    3. a 5-6 D
    4. a top line F
    5. a starting goaltender

    If they come out of the deadline down Whitney, a 2nd rd pick and Ryan Jones but adding a useful D? That would be good. No need to change the world at the deadline, but hopefully there’s a deal to be made. A slight overpay–especially in draft picks–is fine by me.

  6. slopitch says:

    Too bad for you about Iggy and Boston LT. Iggy woulda been a good Bruin. Iggys choice of Penguins gives the Oilers some hope that maybe their talent will eventually give them an advantage acquiring players. Outside the Murray deal, Im stunned how cheap vets are going for at the deadline. One day we can move shit for vets and make a run.

    I think its just something small.. ie Whitney for a prospect or pick.

    But if we’re talking Hemsky … its gotta be Lucic. Hemsky scored 32 pts playing in 27 games during the with Krejci ( 27 in 24 games). Boston moved Thomas about 15 games ago and there is 15 games left. Would they have the cap space to absorb Whitney + Hemsky? Dare to dream I guess.

    Id avoid Horton. Concussion issues and average play this year. Don’t add size for the sake off. Eager was a better player before the concussions, Id avoid damaged size.

    Gonna be a fun 6 days.

  7. mumbai max says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers have very specific needs, and that has to help. They don’t need:

    1. a second round pick
    2. a prospect miles from being ready
    3. a 5-6 D
    4. a top line F
    5. a starting goaltender

    If they come out of the deadline down Whitney, a 2nd rd pick and Ryan Jones but adding a useful D? That would be good. No need to change the world at the deadline, but hopefully there’s a deal to be made. A slight overpay–especially in draft picks–is fine by me.

    They also don’t need a player with an injury and concession history (Horton). Lucic is the only reasonable target, and if it is him, they need to lose Hemskys salary in order to have room for adding defence men. WHY would Boston trade Lucic before the playoffs? Cannot see that happening unless there is something we don’t know ( injury, attitude etc). I predict small moves. Smid and paajarvi still here April 5. Think Hemsky could be moved for a defence man though. Should be fun. Hope we don’t do something stupid. Would rather do nothing.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Mumbai: As I mentioned, Lucic makes no sense. Horton does from a Bruins pov–replacing Horton with Hemsky–but that’s just a guess. I would much prefer the Oilers keeping Hemsky and Paajarvi.

  9. Rebilled says:

    Very happy the Paul Kane grad has a chance to win a cup.

    Sail on Jerome.

  10. nelson88 says:

    good hockey trade if it is available. sure.

    if not get the picks when they are being thrown around like candy and use them for trades on the draft floor when they are dear.

  11. Rebilled says:

    *Jarome

    Jesus

  12. Smarmy says:

    Lucic making Taylor Hall money? ugghhh.

  13. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Edit.

    Whitney plus Hemsky or Magnus for Lucic? is that the rumor?

    I’d rather they invest in Jamie Benn if they are chasing big fellas.

  14. Rebilled says:

    *the man who gavest the golden pass.

  15. Genjutsu says:

    Lowetide,

    I’d take issue with that. If this draft is 40-50 deep I wouldn’t mind a few more 2nd rounders. But only for a UFA not named Smid.

    The market has been set very high already and long term we’ll need those assets as a number of our hoped prospects that we’re supposed to be in the bottom six in the next couple of year are iffy to make it at best.

  16. Kitchener says:

    Competing for “Best News of the Week”:

    1) With Iginla gone, the market for Hemsky improves.

    2) With Iginla gone, we can much more fully despise the Flames.

    3) Calgary held their duo (Iginla/Kip) too long, causing diminished trade value and 10 more years of mediocrity.

    Iginla is a pure A+. With him a Pen, we can finally cheer for the Edmonton-born all-time great.

  17. wordbird says:

    i’m invoking the NMC (No Magnus Clause).

  18. denny33 says:

    Genjutsu,

    In return for Hamilton – the Bruins have their eyes on RNH.

    Hamilton was taken a few spots after RNH in the 2011 draft…

    In fact, defenceman Dougie Hamilton has more points and more goals than RNH so far this year…

  19. maudite says:

    If you could pry Hamilton free, what would you pay?

    Hemsky
    Whitney
    2014/2015 1st (conditional)

    Horton
    Hamilton

    Basically, taking Hortons money back and upgrading their offense, handing over a 2nd pp D for this year with decent odds of a solid draft pick (given management history)

    Would that be enough?

  20. Jordan says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers have very specific needs, and that has to help. They don’t need:

    1. a second round pick
    2. a prospect miles from being ready
    3. a 5-6 D
    4. a top line F
    5. a starting goaltender

    If they come out of the deadline down Whitney, a 2nd rd pick and Ryan Jones but adding a useful D? That would be good. No need to change the world at the deadline, but hopefully there’s a deal to be made. A slight overpay–especially in draft picks–is fine by me.

    Considering what we have available, and what this team needs, there is only one piece the Boston Bruins have that this Oilers team needs: Dougie Hamilton.

    That player is the only piece I consider moving Magnus to the Bruins for.

  21. Woodguy says:

    his resume included being a 1st rd pick and a Stanley cup ring.

    If a ham sandwich was a 1st rounder and had a ring the Oilers would trade for it.

    “Stevie Yzerman had the ham sandwich when he was running team Canada and had good things to say”

    “Stu really like the ham sandwich in his draft year, so were excited about bringing him on”

    “When you can add a ham sandwich that has a cup ring that experience is valuable to our young guys and gives them a sandwich to look up to”

  22. Kitchener says:

    denny33,

    Interesting concept: RNH for Hamilton. We’d have an ideal young D, plus Gagner’d move into the undisputed role of “mid-sized talented center,” solving the problem of “89&93 are too similar.”

    Not sure I’d do it, but its fun to imagine.

  23. gcw_rocks says:

    Wow, if there was any doubt that Feaster is an idiot, it has been removed now. Traded Iggy to Pittsburgh but couldn’t get one of Pouliot, Despres, Bennet, or Maata in return? Instead he gets the 10th and 12th best prospects on Pitts top 20 prospect list (hockey’s future) and a !st round pick likely to be 26 to 30th?

    At least when they traded Neiuwendyk (sp) for Iggy they had a guy who was a potential cornerstone player coming back the other way. There is zero chance of that happening here. Craziness.

  24. Woodguy says:

    Jordan: Considering what we have available, and what this team needs, there is only one piece the Boston Bruins have that this Oilers team needs:Dougie Hamilton.

    That player is the only piece I consider moving Magnus to the Bruins for.

    Morning guys on 1260 were giddy about trading PRV for Boychuck.

    EDM’s 2nd best LW, a position of no depth, who will be here for minimum 4 years and longer if you want, for an overpriced, 2nd/3rd pairing guy who can’t pass and wouldn’t get the ice time he gets if it wasn’t for Chara.

    How very Oilers fan of them.

  25. maudite says:

    I would pay more if needed.

    J shultz
    Hamilton
    Petry
    Smid
    Dekayser
    Klefbom
    xxxx

    RNH Hall Eberle
    PVR Gagner Yak
    Smyth – Horc – xxx (Jussi Jokinen would look good here)
    Harti – xxx – Brown
    xxx (center)
    xxx

    Dubnyk
    xxxx

    If the oil could pull this off, without losing the young core…I would take back everything I said about them.

  26. Woodguy says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Wow, if there was any doubt that Feaster is an idiot, it has been removed now. Traded Iggy to Pittsburgh but couldn’t get one of Pouliot, Despres, Bennet, or Maata in return? Instead he gets the 10th and 12th best prospects on Pitts top 20 prospect list (hockey’s future) and a !st round pick likely to be 26 to 30th?

    At least when they traded Neiuwendyk (sp) for Iggy they had a guy who was a potential cornerstone player coming back the other way. There is zero chance of that happening here. Craziness.

    Shero had Feaster bent over because Iggy controlled where he went.

    I like to laugh at CAL as much as the next guy, but that’s a tough spot.

  27. denny33 says:

    Here is how the outside world views us….

    Playoff Push?

    Hemsky – no goals in the last 10 games / makes 5.5million dollars!!

    RNH – 1 goal in the last 14 games

    Yakupov – 0 goals in the last 12 games.

    Ladies and Gentlemen – one of our ‘top’ forwards or more are going to be dealt. If not now, in the summer…

    Please DON”T let it be the BROKEN Nathan Horton…Please.

  28. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,

    The list was 4 teams, as I understand it. Deadline isn’t today. I think he should have held out for one really good prospect than a few mediorce ones. I would much rather have had Joe Morrow than what Feaster got, and Iggy is a much better player than B, Borrow. We also know from the B.Morrow trade that Shero is willing to spend high end prospects. So, respectfully, I think he could have done better

  29. ScottieA says:

    When I heard Horton’s name bandied about I got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. He hasn’t been the same player since Rome nailed him in the SCF. You think that a team that was burned by signing a guy with a concussion history (obviously not the same quality of player) in Eager would be more careful when it came to looking at acquiring players like this.

  30. Marc says:

    Boston is not going to give up Lucic or Horton or Boychuk or any other actual NHL player to get Hemsky/Whitney/Khabi. They’ve just seen their chief competition for the East’s spot in the Cup Final add three big, veteran players for their run, so Boston will only be looking to give up picks/prospects/young players for veterans now. If they want to move Lucic of Boychuk to free up cap space or for some other reason, they’ll do it in the off season

    That said, they’ve played poorly the last 5 games and have a terrible power play. Pittsburg’s move may cause them to pay more than they should, so there is the potential for Edmonton make a good deal here. We should be realistic about the likely return though – it won’t be a top 4 D and it won’t be a top 9 forward.

    Matty floated a fascinating name in his post on the Iginla trade – Carl Soderberg, a 27 year old 6’3” 2 way center who is currently second in the SEL in scoring (://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?statsleague=Elitserien&player=665&team=&year=&status=&leagueid=&season=)

    Something like Soderberg, Caron and a 1st or 2nd is a much more likely return for Whitney and Hemsky than Horton or Boychuk, let alone Lucic.

  31. sliderule says:

    Double Hamilton would be a terrible choice for the oil in a trade.

    According to Boston reports he is a mess defensively and most importantly plays soft.

    I think we know how Lowe//buchburger feel about soft players.The oil because their pro scouting is so bad to trade for them and then try their best to give them away when they find out.

  32. Jon K says:

    I don’t really understand how anyone can reasonably think that Lucic or Horton might be involved in Bruins trade discussions. The Bruins are in an arms race with the Pens, they’re hoping to add roster players, not remove them.

    Respectfully, I think we should be looking at Boston’s farm system. If Whitney is moving out, and there are many signs now that he is, we should be looking at guys like Sauve and Khokhlachev, not Lucic and Horton.

  33. maudite says:

    The B’s can only add so much without subtracting. Horton isn’t a player they are likely to resign given team comp and health issues. I think he is the one thing that could be part of a package moving out to try to improve the team overall.

    Just have to figure out what price is worth paying to make a move with them really.

    If you start with

    Hemsky for Horton (upgrades PP for sure and leaves them with about 5 mil in cap space instead of 2 mil.

    Then balance it out from there, a reasonable trade could be made. From that point it’s just about stacking up babbles and figuring what you can shake loose.

    I agree that it’s unlikely Boychuck and Lucic are even in a trade conversation until summer though.

  34. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    and Jay Feaster wanted to blow up the team last year …..and was told “NO”.

  35. maudite says:

    Nvm on ever getting Hamilton though. With their cap structure they would never deal his ELC.

  36. justDOit says:

    sliderule:
    Double Hamilton would be a terrible choice for the oil in a trade.

    According to Boston reports he is a mess defensively and most importantly plays soft.

    I think we know how Lowe//buchburger feel about soft players.The oil because their pro scouting is so bad to trade for them and then try their best to give them away when they find out.

    To be fair to Douglas, the kid is still 19 years old, is a rookie playing the toughest position in the best league in the world, and still hasn’t grown into his 6′ 5″ frame, being only 195 lbs. Boston media is being a little premature in their assessment that Hamilton is a flop.

  37. Numenius says:

    Is there any chance Iginla would want to come to Edmonton after winning the cup with Pittsburgh? It’s his home town and he’s UFA next year. He’d be great for the kids.

    I’m guessing wouldn’t want to leave Pittsburgh so soon though, if for no other reason than that he’s a class act and would want to give Pittsburgh their trades’ worth.

  38. loosemoose says:

    Woodguy: his resume included being a 1st rd pick and a Stanley cup ring. If a ham sandwich was a 1st rounder and had a ring the Oilers would trade for it.“Stevie Yzerman had the ham sandwich when he was running team Canada and had good things to say”“Stu really like the ham sandwich in his draft year, so were excited about bringing him on”“When you can add a ham sandwich that has a cup ring that experience is valuable to our young guys and gives them a sandwich to look up to”

    That’s gold.

    Coffee on my keyboard….

  39. Gret99zky says:

    The last thing this team needs is another “injury prone” player. (Horton)

    Hopefully ST just dumps Whitney for a pick and maybe swaps Eager for Jokinen (to cushion the salary cap blow) and the old boys club lands Keyser Soze.

    Buy out Belanger.

    Keep Hemsky and sign Smid.

    Less is more this year. I sure as hell don’t want to see any Oiler trade rumours I read yesterday coming to life. Yuck!

    And Lowe has 5 more rings than the sandwich. Just sayin.

  40. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    his resume included being a 1st rd pick and a Stanley cup ring.

    If a ham sandwich was a 1st rounder and had a ring the Oilers would trade for it.

    “Stevie Yzerman had the ham sandwich when he was running team Canada and had good things to say”

    “Stu really like the ham sandwich in his draft year, so were excited about bringing him on”

    “When you can add a ham sandwich that has a cup ring that experience is valuable to our young guys and gives them a sandwich to look up to”

    I just heard that Ham Sandwich has a lingering shoulder injury so the trade might not be as good as we all hoped for initially.

  41. Clarkenstein says:

    Ham Sandwich centering Dustin Penner and Donnie Donair!

  42. justDOit says:

    Mike Smith is UFA this summer. I wonder if the Tippett effect is going to lead to another crazy goalie contract come July 1st, and if Smith can live up to it or become Breezegloveside II?

  43. denny33 says:

    Jon K,

    Thank you ….sanity has now been restored.

    Talk of the Bruins best pieces coming back for Whitney and a near 30 year old Hemsky ….wow.

  44. Lois Lowe says:

    bookje: I just heard that Ham Sandwich has a lingering shoulder injury so the trade might not be as good as we all hoped for initially.

    The ham sandwich isn’t going anywhere.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    justDOit,

    ham rove!

  46. Gret99zky says:

    What happened to targetting teams with cap trouble next year?

    Why is Boston the only other team in the league this week?

  47. wordbird says:

    bookje: I just heard that Ham Sandwich has a lingering shoulder injury so the trade might not be as good as we all hoped for initially.

    Ah, the dreaded pork shoulder injury.

  48. knighttown says:

    Please guys, stop! There is no chance in hell the Bruins trade Milan Lucic, Johnny Boychuck or Nathan Horton when they are a legit Top 5 contender for the Cup. It’s not the way things are done. Bad teams give up decent players for picks or non-roster players at the deadline. In the summer we can talk about legit hockey trades like Eberle for Lucic but they aren’t happening now.

    And seriously, come on with the Dougie Hamilton talk. A Top 5 teenager on the planet. That conversation, first of all would never happend, but if, if it did, it involves Hall, Nuge or Yakupov.

    Please press pause and take a look at the Iginla return. A likely 30th overall pick and two middling prospects. My Bruins fan friends tell me they are heading into possible Cap hell. They likely wouldn’t take Hemsky for free.

    Whitney for a 5th…that’s the extent of what we’re talking about.

  49. WeridAl says:

    LT I notice you fail to mention that K.Lowe made the Oilers the laughing stock of the league and made such a mess, it would take a miracle worker to fix his screw ups. No one wanted to come to the Oilers, unless you drastically over paid them, and even then the pickings were slim. Looking at the shit hole Lowe gave ST, I would say he hasn’t done a bad job. There was little or no farm system, the leadership was nonexistent, the team was loaded with over paid bums. With the signing of J.Schultz, I would say the corner has been turned, and if anything you should be crucifying Kevin Lowe for what he did to a once great organization.

  50. pboy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    He died a horrible, horrible death!

  51. BlacqueJacque says:

    Kitchener:
    denny33,

    Interesting concept: RNH for Hamilton.We’d have an ideal young D, plus Gagner’d move into the undisputed role of “mid-sized talented center,” solving the problem of “89&93 are too similar.”

    Not sure I’d do it, but its fun to imagine.

    To my eyes, Gagner and Nuge aren’t quite night and day but certainly apples and oranges. Gagner is like a Marc Savard – offensive dynamo with gaping holes in his defensive play. Nuge is more in the Datsyuk mold – talented offensively but a demon without the puck.

  52. HugThePost says:

    If Tambo can get anything for Whitney, be it a human who can play hockey, a strip of duct tape or a pen refill, he will have succeeded and should be praised heavily to reinforce such behavior to rid the team of useless players.

    Now is not to time to hit a home run; we are not Pitt, Bos, LA, etc. We are a crappy unbalanced bottom feeder carrying a lot of dead weight.

    Anyone is tradeable, but if Tambo is going to go around and get rid of guys like 91, 89, 83, he had better be bringing some quality back here, not some bullshit consolation prize like CAL got for Iggy.

    Best of luck Iggy in PITT; kinda feel bad for Calgary; that trade should have been made 1 maybe 2 years ago.

    Hard to believe that at one point in the recent past, teams dreaded coming through Alberta to play; now it is a chance to work on set plays, pad the stats a bit, rest your starter and partake in some of the night life in each city.

  53. TheOtherJohn says:

    Bookje

    Oilers trade for Horton and will be surprised that his contract is up at the end of the season and that he has had concussion & shoulder issues. Who knew?

    Seriously now would be a very good time to be a discerning seller. Could we trade Tambi for Don Maloney

  54. TheOtherJohn says:

    WeridAl:
    LT I notice you fail to mention that K.Lowe made the Oilers the laughing stock of the league and made such a mess, it would take a miracle worker to fix his screw ups. No one wanted to come to the Oilers, unless you drastically over paid them, and even then the pickings were slim. Looking at the shit hole Lowe gave ST, I would say he hasn’t done a bad job. There was little or no farm system, the leadership was nonexistent, the team was loaded with over paid bums. With the signing of J.Schultz, I would say the corner has been turned, and if anything you should be crucifying Kevin Lowe for what he did to a once great organization.

    How could you read this blog and think that tool K Lowe sidesteps blame for where we are? There are a few : guys got 6 rings;CHECK, gotta know something about winning posts but they are very few & very far between .

    We even moved Bookje and Godot10 away from the dark side of the force……

  55. maudite says:

    WeridAl:
    LT I notice you fail to mention that K.Lowe made the Oilers the laughing stock of the league and made such a mess, it would take a miracle worker to fix his screw ups. No one wanted to come to the Oilers, unless you drastically over paid them, and even then the pickings were slim. Looking at the shit hole Lowe gave ST, I would say he hasn’t done a bad job. There was little or no farm system, the leadership was nonexistent, the team was loaded with over paid bums. With the signing of J.Schultz, I would say the corner has been turned, and if anything you should be crucifying Kevin Lowe for what he did to a once great organization.

    IE The FARM:

    Thank Katz’s money for that. Credit where credit is primarily due. Spending more money and having an actual affiliate are good things. Difference between springfield and oklahama thus far…cash spent on ringers, more than anything else.

    Developmentally speaking, results are mixed at best relative to other franchises to this point. It is early but still.

  56. FrankenOil says:

    Seeing as how this week, LT has been examinig ST moves during his tenure, I thought I’d pass along Ray Shero’s resume (courtesy of Wikipedia):

    24-Jun-06 Drafted Jordan Staal second overall in the 2006 NHL entry draft in Vancouver.
    04-Jul-06 Named Andre Savard assistant coach; signed defenceman Mark Eaton, who had been with the Nashville Predators, to a two-year contract.
    15-Jul-06 Named Chuck Fletcher assistant general manager and Eddie Johnston senior advisor of hockey operations.
    02-Jul-07 Signed right wing Petr Sýkora, who had been with the Edmonton Oilers.
    26-Feb-08 Acquired right wing Marián Hossa and left wing Pascal Dupuis from the Atlanta Thrashers for centers Erik Christensen and Angelo Esposito, right wing Colby Armstrong and a 2008 first-round pick; acquired defenseman Hal Gill from the Toronto Maple Leafs for a 2008 second-round pick and a 2009 fifth-round pick
    04-Jul-08 Signed left wing Ruslan Fedotenko and right wing Miroslav Satan to one-year contracts
    05-Jul-08 Signed left wing Matt Cooke to a two-year contract.
    04-Aug-08 Named Dan Bylsma head coach of the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins of the American Hockey League.
    19-Nov-08 Acquired defenseman Philippe Boucher from the Dallas Stars for defenseman Darryl Sydor.
    18-Jan-09 Acquired goaltender Mathieu Garon from the Edmonton Oilers for goaltender Dany Sabourin, center Ryan Stone and a 2011 fourth-round pick.
    15-Feb-09 Fired coach Michel Therrien; named Dan Bylsma as interim coach.
    26-Feb-09 Acquired left wings Chris Kunitz and Eric Tangradi from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenseman Ryan Whitney.
    04-Mar-09 Claimed right wing Craig Adams off waivers from the Chicago Blackhawks; acquired right winger Bill Guerin from the New York Islanders for a conditional draft pick
    28-Apr-09 Removed interim tag from Dan Bylsma’s title and named him coach and agreed on a multi-year contract.
    09-Jul-09 Signed defensemen Jay McKee to a one-year contract.
    01-Jul-10 Signed free agent defenseman Zbynek Michalek to a five year, $20 million contract.
    01-Jul-10 Signed free agent defenseman Paul Martin to a five-year $25 million contract.
    21-Feb-11 Acquired left wing James Neal and defenseman Matt Niskanen from the Dallas Stars for defenseman Alex Goligoski.
    24-Feb-11 Acquired right wing Alexei Kovalev from the Ottawa Senators for a conditional 7th round draft pick.
    01-Jul-11 Re-signed right wing Tyler Kennedy to a two year, $4 million contract.
    01-Jul-11 Signed free agent forward Steve Sullivan to a one year, $1.5 million contract
    19-Feb-12 Re-signed left wing James Neal (ice hockey) to a six year, $30 million contract.
    06-Jun-12 Traded Jordan Staal was to the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for Brandon Sutter, Brian Dumoulin and the Hurricanes 8th overall selection at the 2012 NHL Entry Draft (which the Penguins used to select Derrick Pouliot).
    28-Jun-12 Re-signed center Sidney Crosby to a twelve year, $104.4 million contract.
    27-Mar-13 Acquired right wing Jarome Iginla in exchange for the Penguins’ first-round pick in the 2013 NHL draft, and the rights to unsigned draft choices Kenneth Agostino and Ben Hanowski.

    That’s a fine list. That, to me, is the gold standard right now.

  57. bookje says:

    WeridAl:
    LT I notice you fail to mention that K.Lowe made the Oilers the laughing stock of the league and made such a mess, it would take a miracle worker to fix his screw ups. No one wanted to come to the Oilers, unless you drastically over paid them, and even then the pickings were slim. Looking at the shit hole Lowe gave ST, I would say he hasn’t done a bad job. There was little or no farm system, the leadership was nonexistent, the team was loaded with over paid bums. With the signing of J.Schultz, I would say the corner has been turned, and if anything you should be crucifying Kevin Lowe for what he did to a once great organization.

    Those are the things I defend about Steve Tambelllini – he did some really good things in the organization. However, since the team has started to try to improve (I think the Eager and Belanger deals were when they started trying again) they have failed miserably in their NHL level moves. Every player has ended up being worse than anticipated and there have been no hidden gems found. They have retained some players that they should not have – Hortichuk being the most obvious example. When this is coupled with the pre-tank work (what they did prior to the decision to rebuild, there is strong evidence that the management team under Steve Tambellini is not good at assessing and acquiring NHL level talent. I think they are using ‘old boys club’ analytics and other teams are taking a more professional approach and as a result they are unable to keep up with the decisions being made by other teams.

    So, Steve Tambellini deciding to tank the team for a rebuild – good. Steve Tambellini making Edmonton a more desirable team to play for – good. ST rebuilding the underlying opperations of the organization, including the development system – good. ST’s aquisitions of NHL talent – really bad. You can’t win in the NHL without that.

    I hope they prove this wrong and make some kick ass trades and the future arrives. However, I am not convinced they will at this point. It’s possible though and I am not discounting that they might do it.

    edit: I would add that ST has made some good moves – the Penner trade in retrospect was a robbery as was the Staois trade. He can get rid of bad players effectively, but somehow cannot seem to bring in good players.

  58. Woodguy says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Woodguy,

    The list was 4 teams, as I understand it.Deadline isn’t today.I think he should have held out for one really good prospect than a few mediorce ones.I would much rather have had Joe Morrow than what Feaster got, and Iggy is a much better player than B, Borrow.We also know from the B.Morrow trade that Shero is willing to spend high end prospects.So, respectfully, I think he could have done better

    The word out of Calgary is that Murray Edwards told Feaster that he didn’t want to drag it out and get the deal done today.

    The told Iginla about both deals. Feaster wanted the BOS deal, but Edwards gave Iginla his pick.

    That’s why all the “Iggy to BOS is done” stuff came out of TSN.

  59. Woodguy says:

    denny33:
    Woodguy,

    and Jay Feaster wanted to blow up the team last year …..and was told “NO”.

    I read that too.

    Murray Edwards and Ken King own that one.

    They could have got a lot more for Iggy and Kipper might have moved then.

  60. maudite says:

    knighttown:
    Please guys, stop!There is no chance in hell the Bruins trade Milan Lucic, Johnny Boychuck or Nathan Horton when they are a legit Top 5 contender for the Cup.It’s not the way things are done.Bad teams give up decent players for picks or non-roster players at the deadline.In the summer we can talk about legit hockey trades like Eberle for Lucic but they aren’t happening now.

    And seriously, come on with the Dougie Hamilton talk.A Top 5 teenager on the planet.That conversation, first of all would never happend, but if, if it did, it involves Hall, Nuge or Yakupov.

    Please press pause and take a look at the Iginla return.A likely 30th overall pick and two middling prospects.My Bruins fan friends tell me they are heading into possible Cap hell.They likely wouldn’t take Hemsky for free.

    Whitney for a 5th…that’s the extent of what we’re talking about.

    No such thing as never happen. There is such a thing as at what price. Windows close. Whether they like it or not, GM’s have to be wise enough to sacrifice when they know they have a legitimate shot at things.

    Replacing Horton with Hemsky is an upgrade (but funny enough the extra year on Hemmer’s deal likely less attractive to a cap hell team next year.

    Not that it’s legal, but not like it doesn’t happen:

    Maybe you stack up Boston and parlay some future to tilt the odds in Boston’s favour a bit. Maybe you have a gentleman’s agreement to deal at the draft as well to take Hemsky back.

    Hemsky > Horton and whatever else.

    After looking at salary structure, there is almost no way a deal happens but if not for that, who knows?

    Talks with Boston do scare me a lot. Especially if they contain a “to be continued” conclusion for the summer. Chiarelli would absolutely fleece these guys in exchange for a paid in full Lucic. It wouldn’t be funny.

  61. Gret99zky says:

    WeridAl,

    Three things I remember from the Oil Change series:

    1) Lowe leaving the room telling Tambi to, “Clean up the mess.”

    2) Tambi smiling ear to ear as he tells the scouts, “Belanger wanted the 3 year deal is because he sees what’s happening, not next year, in year 2 and 3, and wants to be part of that group.”

    3) After picking Yak and landing Jusin the Younger Lowe saying, “Call it a day,” after doing nothing on July 1st UFA day.

  62. Clay says:

    Is there any way Hamilton is available out of Boston? If they’re trying to win now, you never know?

    I’d do Yak straight up for Douggie.

  63. bookje says:

    Woodguy: Murray Edwards

    In some ways you need to feel sorry for Feaster. First, he gets a team that is so locked into being screwed, that there is no hope of turning it around for 5-10 years. Second, ownership actively involves itself in decision making. Third, the hair.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are 4-2-2 since the midway point of the season…so if they continue at this torrid pace will that be enough?

    8-4-4 between now and the end of the season.

  65. maudite says:

    Woodguy:

    Normally agree with your thoughts but as per Hemsky

    Eberle, Yak, Hemsky

    I get that you don’t buy into the standard team structure old timey style but if I’m going to be stacking a position and consuming a large chunk of my cap space to do it, RW is not that place.

    I would much prefer to swap some of that strength into Center or Defense, if a deal can be found where you aren’t grossly over paying.

  66. Genjutsu says:

    Woodguy,

    I’m not certain that’s the case at all. A team like Pitt would have been very wary of the cap hit going into a then unknown CBA.

  67. Minister D- says:

    Clay,

    Yak for Hamilton straight up? You out yo mind, son.

    NO to Horton: I worry about management being blinded by need and player-type here. Horton’s got exactly the kind of resume that would likely see him go from ‘healthy and underperforming’ as a Bruin to ‘injured, returns partially healthy, duly steps into elevator shaft’ as an Oiler.

  68. Woodguy says:

    Genjutsu:
    Woodguy,

    I’m not certain that’s the case at all.A team like Pitt would have been very wary of the cap hit going into a then unknown CBA.

    What’s this in regards to?

  69. godot10 says:

    bookje: Those are the things I defend about Steve Tambelllini – he did some really good things in the organization.However, since the team has started to try to improve (I think the Eager and Belanger deals were when they started trying again) they have failed miserably in their NHL level moves. Every player has ended up being worse than anticipated and there have been no hidden gems found.They have retained some players that they should not have – Hortichuk being the most obvious example.When this is coupled with the pre-tank work (what they did prior to the decision to rebuild, there is strong evidence that the management team under Steve Tambellini is not good at assessing and acquiring NHL level talent.I think they are using ‘old boys club’ analytics and other teams are taking a more professional approach and as a result they are unable to keep up with the decisions being made by other teams.

    The pro scouting department is Lowe and his cronies. It is the only part of the organization that Tambellini hasn’t been allowed to clean out. MacT and Howson….more Lowe cronies.

    So Tambellini may be a co-conspirator in the pro player acquisition front, but Lowe fingerprints are all over the failure also.

    The only good thing about the Hordichuk deal is that they didn’t sign Parros for 2 years like Tallon did.

    If the deal is Whitney and Hemsky for Horton and a top prospect and a 1st round draft pick, I can live with ti. It would be better to get a look at Horton for a month to decide whether he is worth signing to a new contract.

    Hemsky actually does make some sense for Boston now. They have to respond to Pittsburgh. They have to make their PP better. They have a centre who had demonstrated he plays well with Hemsky.

    If Pittsburgh is really going for it, and the Oilers get DeKeyser, then I think the Oilers can get one of the D prospects out of Pittsburgh for Smid at the deadline.

    San Jose has 10 home games left, and a great home record. I don’t think they are catchable.

  70. maudite says:

    Minister D-:
    Clay,

    Yak for Hamilton straight up? You out yo mind, son.

    NO to Horton: I worry about management being blinded by need and player-type here. Horton’s got exactly the kind of resume that would likely see him go from ‘healthy and underperforming’ as a Bruin to ‘injured, returns partially healthy, duly steps into elevator shaft’ as an Oiler.

    You aren’t taking Horton for anything more than salary coming back the other way. He’s UFA and it’s the kind of deal that leaves Boston flexibility to make secondary moves after the fact. If they are going for it, they likely will be looking to stack up a few places to put together something on paper that they would be more comfortable facing Pit with.

  71. Genjutsu says:

    Woodguy,

    Getting a higher price for Iggy

  72. delooper says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers are 4-2-2 since the midway point of the season…so if they continue at this torrid pace will that be enough?

    8-4-4 between now and the end of the season.

    Playoff spots in the west are looking fairly locked-up unless something really spectacular happens. Either St.Louis or San Jose will have to have their wheels fall off in order to let another team in. Maybe San Jose will be that team? But I doubt the Oilers can play much above .500 hockey for the remainder of the season. They’ve got too many games remaining against Anaheim, Chicago, Vancouver and LA.

  73. Lucinius says:

    Hamilton is over-rated right now. He might develop into something much better than he is right now (I mean, the kid is only 19) but Yak for Hamilton straight up is a dumb move. Hamilton struggles defensively on a Boston Bruins team. He would be utter and complete chaos here. Third pairing at best. His offensive ability and instincts are great.. but man would he cost us a lot of goals with our weird, chaos-bred defensive system and roster.

    That’s not the kind of thing you trade a first overall for, period.

  74. Genjutsu says:

    Genjutsu,

    Don’t forget a lot of top teams where saving room for the ZP and RS derby.

  75. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Shero had Feaster bent over because Iggy controlled where he went.I like to laugh at CAL as much as the next guy, but that’s a tough spot.

    Might want to do some reasearch on the two.

    For a clear marker for college players is
    thier PPG pace in there 18 year old season
    last 10 NCAA Seasons
    winger .8PPG+
    Barber, O’reagan, Gaudreau, Zucker, Agostino, D,Amigo, R. Nash, C. Conacher, M. Bergland, Galiardi, Cogliano,

    centers .7PPG+
    Khaira, Turris, C. Wilson, Coyle, Bjugstad, Kesler, Stepan,
    As an oilers fan I am excited that we have a 6’3″ center trending in the 55PT nhl player range.

    But Agostino trends out to a 50-55 point NHL winger.

    Hanowski was team captain, top 10G u24 in NCAA
    6’2″ 200LB that projects as a 15-20G 15A player.

    Plus a pick in the 25 to 30 range in a very deep draft.
    Might want to think were the blue chippers come from

    tradition pick success for nhl players
    picks 1-10 90%
    picks 11-20 70%
    picks 20-30 50%
    but if it is like 2003 then that 20-30 pick should have a 70% chance of getting you a good NHL player.

    Calgary’s scouting staff knew what they were doing.
    Calgary just got 2 of the better NCAA trenders.

  76. delooper says:

    The remaining three games against Calgary are going to be a giant perspective change. No Iginla! The henhouse is unguarded.

  77. godot10 says:

    I don’t blame Feaster for the Iginla deal. Iginla wanted to go to Pittsburgh. Shero did the Morrow deal to eliminate any bargaining power Feaster might have.

    I think Shero is still going veteran D shopping at the deadline, and did the Murray deal to make sure he doesn’t have to overpay.

  78. godot10 says:

    rickithebear: Might want to do some reasearch on the two.

    For a clear marker for college players is
    thier PPG pace in there 18 year old season
    last 10 NCAA Seasons
    winger .8PPG+
    Barber, O’reagan, Gaudreau, Zucker, Agostino, D,Amigo, R. Nash, C. Conacher, M. Bergland, Galiardi, Cogliano,

    centers .7PPG+
    Khaira, Turris, C. Wilson, Coyle, Bjugstad, Kesler, Stepan,
    As an oilers fan I am excited that we have a 6’3″ center trending in the 55PT nhl player range.

    But Agostino trends out to a 50-55 point NHL winger.

    Hanowski was team captain, top 10G u24 in NCAA
    6’2″ 200LB that projects as a 15-20G 15A player.

    Plus a pick in the 25 to 30 range in a very deep draft.
    Might want to think were the blue chippers come from

    tradition pick success for nhl players
    picks 1-10 90%
    picks 11-20 70%
    picks 20-30 50%
    but if it is like 2003 then that 20-30 pick should have a 70% chance of getting you a good NHL player.

    Calgary’s scouting staff knew what they were doing.
    Calgary just got 2 of the better NCAA trenders.

    Do those equivalencies include all the college players with similar stats that don’t make it?

    The thing about NHL equivalencies is that they don’t come with the size of the sample pool one is drawing from, and the probability of a player from the sample pool actually making it to the NHL to generate that NHL equivalency.

    There is an undefined “probability of making the NHL” in front of that NHL equivalency.

  79. bookje says:

    godot10,

    Could be, I try not to make too many assumptions about what happens in the management room as I just don’t know. Katz is probably the only guy with a good sense of who does what outside of those actually doing it. If Belanger, Eager, Hortichuk are Lowe’s doing and Tambellini was in the room questioning those moves, then Katz should perhaps fire Lowe and keep Tambellini. If it was the other way around, then ditto. All I know is that they are messing up in that area and something needs to change.

    I felt the move from whale hunting to rebuild was a shift in authority by Katz from Lowe to Tambellini. I also felt that the recent additions of MacT and Howson were a bit of a shift back the other way in response to ST’s inability to gain any traction in improving the team. With that said, I don’t really know. I just guess like everyone else.

  80. bookje says:

    delooper:
    The remaining three games against Calgary are going to be a giant perspective change. No Iginla!The henhouse is unguarded.

    I often find that teams rise to the occasion once the big trade away is done and the pressure is off. Calgary might be dangerous to play from here on through the end of the season.

  81. rich says:

    godot10: The pro scouting department is Lowe and his cronies. It is the only part of the organization that Tambellini hasn’t been allowed to clean out. MacT and Howson….more Lowe cronies.
    So Tambellini may be a co-conspirator in the pro player acquisition front, but Lowe fingerprints are all over the failure also.

    @ Godot: That is the first lucid defense of Tambellini that I can actually agree with. It still doesn’t justify the results (they are miserable at Pro Player Acquisition), but it is reasonable.

    Adding more people to the management structure has reinforced his indecision perception – and iirc, somewhere along the way it’s been said by someone in Oilers ranks/or in other quarters that he has trouble pulling the trigger on things. With Lowe pulling the strings in the background, no wonder.

    My greatest concern is that someone at BOS is in the background, knowing full & well what gets Lowe’s juices going and Lowe then just jumps right in and sez do it before MacT can pull him back and say, “are you really sure about that”.

  82. Ribs says:

    EdmontonOilers
    Khabibulin to start again tonight for the #Oilers following 43-save shutout Tuesday against the #stlblues

    Really?

  83. Ribs says:

    EdmontonOilers
    #Oilers morning skate lines same as St. Louis game:
    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Paajarvi-Gagner-Hemsky
    Jones-Horcoff-Yakupov
    Petrell-Smyth-Brown

  84. HugThePost says:

    Ribs,

    we can only hope he is being showcased for a trade

  85. Ribs says:

    GenePrincipe
    N.Schultz-J.SchultzSmid-PetryWhitney-Potter the d-pairings and looks like Khabibulin will start..

  86. Ribs says:

    HugThePost:
    Ribs,

    we can only hope he is being showcased for a trade

    The showcase should have been over after the last one he played!

  87. dessert1111 says:

    Have the Oilers even given up on the playoffs yet? One would think that if they lose tonight, the dream is over. Calgary are only one point back and are clearly selling, and the deadline is looming. I would think anything less than 6 points in the next 3 games means they sell for sure.

  88. rickithebear says:

    maudite: J shultz
    Hamilton
    Petry
    Smid
    Dekayser
    Klefbom
    xxxx
    RNH Hall Eberle
    PVR Gagner Yak
    Smyth – Horc – xxx (Jussi Jokinen would look good here)
    Harti – xxx – Brown
    xxx (center)
    xxx
    Dubnyk
    xxxx

    hamilton is not coming!
    Good organiztions replace higher priced players with younger players of similiar Production in that position.

    Especially if :
    -the young player has proved themselves in the AHL.
    -the veteran player has value that returns needed depth to the team.
    everyone talks hemsky.
    but that is not realistic uness
    we have a PPG RW in the AHL ho is one of the best Even point producers in that league.
    Leading to a likely upgrade ev scoring.

    Who did mgmt scout pre tradeline in OKC.
    Marincin
    Rajala
    Rajala?
    Rajala!

  89. Woodguy says:

    maudite:
    Woodguy:

    Normally agree with your thoughts but as per Hemsky

    Eberle, Yak, Hemsky

    I get that you don’t buy into the standard team structure old timey style but if I’m going to be stacking a position and consuming a large chunk of my cap space to do it, RW is not that place.

    I would much prefer to swap some of that strength into Center or Defense, if a deal can be found where you aren’t grossly over paying.

    I know I’m biased because Hemsky was the only thing worth watching on the team for years (and the little window of Lubo)

    I hopek you can get Hemsky on a tailing contract in the summer of 2014 that pays him $3MM/yr

    Hrcoff will be gone or much cheaper that year as well, so he might fit.

    Cap will be close to $70MM in 14/15 and will continue to go up, so $3MM for 3RW might work.

  90. hunter1909 says:

    Ribs: Whitney-Potter the d-pairings and looks like Khabibulin will start..

    Oilers continue cockteasing their fans playoff fantasies, but with a starting lineup/virtual brace of goals against.

    Potter looked kind of good last game. Or was that me? Those bottom pair oiler’s continue to bedevil.

    ps: A Bruins fan/pal wants to trade for Smyth in lieu of Iginla, lmao.

  91. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear,

    Cory Pronman, who is a draft, prospect guru liked Khokhlachev the most of all the BOS/PIT prospects.

    The other guys and the picks are a wash.

    I defer to those who know more than I when it comes to young players.

    What’s your take on Khokhlachev?

  92. Woodguy says:

    FrankenOil,

    Shero’s done some good work, but trading 2 2nds for Cement skates turnstile Murray was not good.

    I think he overpaid for Morrow as well.

    Getting only 2 prospects and a pick for Zbynek Michalek wasn’t shining work either.

    No one is perfect.

  93. Woodguy says:

    Genjutsu: ould have been very wary of the cap hit going into a then unknown CBA.

    Certainly would have been a question, but doesn’t negate the value of a player with more time than 20 games left on his contract.

  94. Woodguy says:

    dessert1111:
    Have the Oilers even given up on the playoffs yet? One would think that if they lose tonight, the dream is over. Calgary are only one point back and are clearly selling, and the deadline is looming. I would think anything less than 6 points in the next 3 games means they sell for sure.

    Here’s the true standings. Playoffs are a distant bell

    CHICAGO 0.828
    ANAHEIM 0.727
    MINNESOTA 0.656
    VANCOUVER 0.636
    LOS ANGELES 0.594
    DETROIT 0.591
    ST LOUIS 0.563
    SAN JOSE 0.563
    ——————————-
    DALLAS 0.516
    NASHVILLE 0.515
    COLUMBUS 0.500
    EDMONTON 0.484
    PHOENIX 0.470
    CALGARY 0.469
    COLORADO 0.406

  95. Woodguy says:

    Toilet Bowl standings: (everyone under .500)

    EDMONTON 0.484
    WASHINGTON 0.470
    PHOENIX 0.470
    CALGARY 0.469
    BUFFALO 0.455
    TAMPA BAY 0.439
    PHILADELPHIA 0.438
    COLORADO 0.406
    FLORIDA 0.353

    If RK keeps playing 4-93-14 together and they dump Whitney, I can see the OIlers finishing over .500 (but not in the playoffs)

    That probably has them picking 10-13th.

    Lazar will be the man.

  96. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: rickithebear, Cory Pronman, who is a draft, prospect guru liked Khokhlachev the most of all the BOS/PIT prospects.The other guys and the picks are a wash.I defer to those who know more than I when it comes to young players.What’s your take on Khokhlachev?

    Kohklachev is that prospect they talk about in money ball.
    Seems like he should be better, but.
    I liked his math pre draft and would have liked him (But not over Musil)
    but his origional 65 pt player was trending down from start of that 17 yr season. to a point where it said 45-50 pt player.
    the last two years it says 45-50 point player.
    the diffrence is Agostino 50-55Pt production should get to the NHL 2-3 years sooner.

  97. delooper says:

    bookje: I often find that teams rise to the occasion once the big trade away is done and the pressure is off.Calgary might be dangerous to play from here on through the end of the season.

    Sometimes. When Edmonton lost Gretzky you could say that. But when Edmonton lost Messier, they were a depleted team.

  98. VanOil says:

    A loss tonight will cure the cement on top of the Oilers playoff dreams.

    I doubt the Oilers can receive fair value for Hemskey or any of the Kids so I don’t want to see them traded. Also Oilers need to add NHL caliber players to there defense not subtract so sign Smid.

    I understand that that leaves us with underwhelming talent to trade, which the return is normally picks or future consideration that we don’t need. That said I see shipping out players like Whitney, Belanger, Petrell and Jones as positives to the current roster anyways regardless of return.

    In an attempt to find realistic potential returns that are more than picks and less than roster players good teams gearing up for cup runs don’t like to give up, I suggest these two from our most rumored trading partners;

    Boston goalie Niklas Svedberg could be a backup for DD. Boston have great goal tending in the NHL and Malcom Subban in system. Whitney and Jones might free him up.

    Detroit center Riley Sheahan. If Detroit swings for the fences with a Bouwmeester trade he would likely head the other way. He is a big strong center who projects to be a second or third line guy and would currently be a better option for our 4th line than Belanger even when healthy. His resent arrest for being ‘superdrunk’ wearing a teletuby suit might have soured the Wings on him and they have Calle Jarnkrok who they like better.

    I would rather sign Penner in the of season than Horton. Trading for Horton seems a waste. I am against managements and SN lust for size in the Oiler top 6. But either of these guys on the Oilers 3d line is OK they can be juggled up if the coach feels we are being emasculated. Personally I would find missing the playoff 7 years in a row more emasculating than lack of size or grit.

  99. bookje says:

    Woodguy:

    Lazar will be the man.

    Gene Principe will be THRILLED!

  100. HugThePost says:

    VanOil,

    I wish the oilers management would lose their obsession with having size in the top 6. It’s a nice thing to have don’t get me wrong, but extremely hard to come by. They’ve just wasted so many drafts, time and players trying to find a Lucic. If we can find it, great, but stop looking at damaged things like Horton or fizzling things like Clowe.

    I watched MTL vs. BOS last night and with their small forwards MTL can still play the style of hockey I can only dream the Oilers could play: simple pucks to the net, balls out, give no quarter hockey. It can be done, but it needs the right mix of skill, grit and players who can all contribute (ie. MTL does not ice a ECHL 3rd and 4th line, and they actually win a face off here and there).

  101. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:

    I love this ‘Toilet Bowl Standings’ building on it;

    Florida are impressively down the pipe not even snaking will stop them now.

    Philly have cracked there gold plated bowl.

    Tampa are have some expensive plumbers they might have to buyout after long service.

    Washington might have forgotten to flush!

    Oilers have been in the Outhouse so long that they might have fallen in.

    I accept your math and reasoning that Oilers will pick Lazzar. I wish I didn’t because it does not warm me like a heated toliet seat. Maybe Valeri Nichushkin’s Russianess will scare off other seedy bathroom dwellers and we will get a steal.

  102. Bag of Pucks says:

    With so many players in play at the deadline, my hope is that TambLoweMacSon focus on those players who have the most value as ‘rentals’ at this time and leave players like Smid, Gagner as fish to be fried in the offseason. Just think there’s too much potential for underwhelming results if you try to deal 5 or 6 bodies in this short time span.

    My hope is that Belanger, Whitney and Hemsky are the outgoing players. Hemsky because we have depth with Eberle and Yakupov at that position and he should be dangled for a Top 4 D or C now. The challenge is getting a starter back from a team looking to load up for the postseason, so targets should be clubs with a glut of depth at those positions. Hemmer was rumoured to Ottawa before. Anyone see anything worth acquiring there on D outside of Karlsson, Phillips and Gonchar?

    With Gagner, I think you wait to see where you finish in the standings to assess whether you’ll have a shot at C with size in the draft and to get a pulse on Sam’s contract demands. Feel strongly that Cup contenders do not have #2 Cs that are poor on the faceoff and in their own end. We are fortunate that Gags is producing points at a nice clip this year. If Tambellini plays this chip correctly, he can really balance the lineup. Like the player, his ‘try’ is awesome, but something’s gotta give.

  103. VanOil says:

    HugThePost:
    VanOil,

    I wish the oilers management would lose their obsession with having size in the top 6.It’s a nice thing to have don’t get me wrong, but extremely hard to come by.They’ve just wasted so many drafts, time and players trying to find a Lucic.If we can find it, great, but stop looking at damaged things like Horton or fizzling things like Clowe.

    I watched MTL vs. BOS last night and with their small forwards MTL can still play the style of hockey I can only dream the Oilers could play:simple pucks to the net, balls out, give no quarter hockey.It can be done, but it needs the right mix of skill, grit and players who can all contribute (ie. MTL does not ice a ECHL 3rd and 4th line, and they actually win a face off here and there).

    Agreed. MTL play last night was exhibit A in how size does not trump skill if deployed correctly.

  104. Marc says:

    Woodguy:

    If RK keeps playing 4-93-14 together and they dump Whitney, I can see the OIlers finishing over .500 (but not in the playoffs

    I think that’s probably right. The Oilers play 10 of their last 16 at home and PDO suggests they’ve been unlucky.

    Looking at the home-road splits of the Western conference teams is interesting. The Oilers’ road record (7-8-3) is actually pretty good – they’re tied with Minnesota for sixth. They are last in the West in points at home though, in large part because every other team has played 3-5 more home games. No team in the West has more regulation losses at home than wins, and only 2 (Edmonton and Dallas) have equal numbers of regulation wins and losses.

    I expect the Oilers will come out of the home games something like 6-2-2 or 5-3-2 and maybe 3-2-1 or 2-3-1 on the road. That should leave them just shy of a playoff spot.

    I think most reasonable assessments (JW for example) prior to the season had the Oilers contending for playoff spot, but falling a bit short. That looks about right.

  105. Smarmy says:

    Woodguy,

    I have a feeling it will be Shinkaruk.

  106. VOR says:

    Rickithebear,

    What is a tradition pick for success? For that matter what is a blue chipper? You throw this stuff out but never define anything or tell us what years you are using or assumptions you are making. So I’d like to ask you to sit down right now and tell us what a tradition pick success is and what years you are using as your data set. Can you do that?

    tradition pick success for nhl players
    picks 1-10 90%
    picks 11-20 70%
    picks 20-30 50%

  107. cabbiesmacker says:

    Fearless Prediction

    OIlers win tonight forcing us all to believe the playoffs are within our grasp

    Bitter disappointment is not attainable without unreasonable expectations

  108. rickithebear says:

    godot10: Do those equivalencies include all the college players with similar stats that don’t make it?The thing about NHL equivalencies is that they don’t come with the size of the sample pool one is drawing from, and the probability of a player from the sample pool actually making it to the NHL to generate that NHL equivalency.There is an undefined “probability of making the NHL” in front of that NHL equivalency.

    I go to Elite prospects
    select stats
    Select NCAA
    Select U19
    click the PPG header
    write down the wingers
    in the http line change 2012 to 2011 and then to 2010
    and so on.
    Go to 2005 like i did.

    you will have your answer.

  109. Marc says:

    On a totally unrelated note, here’s a fantastic story about Canada’s role in the development of Finnish hockey: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/03/27/canada-bowl/

  110. rickithebear says:

    the NCAA switch to post 04-05 lockout rules in 2007 is evident.

  111. spoiler says:

    LT posting at 11:27pm on a school night in the last thread?

    And Iginla is a Pen?

    And the Easter Bunny is bringing us a power forward and a top 4 dman and a backup goalie?

    And damn, I’m hungry for a ham sandwich right now.

  112. Ribs says:

    RogMillions
    #Flames Jay Bouwmeester admits he and team have talked about possibility of a trade. Hearing as many as 6 teams interested in him.

  113. Lucinius says:

    Ribs,

    I really hope Feaster gets fleeced on a Bouwmeester trade.

    I really want Calgary to suck in perpetuity.

  114. spoiler says:

    Lucinius: Ribs, I really hope Feaster gets fleeced on a Bouwmeester trade.I really want Calgary to suck in perpetuity.

    If there are truly 6 teams interested, a fleecing is highly unlikely… especially if one of them is the Oilers.

    However if J-Bo insists on limiting/controlling the process then your wish might come true.

  115. Ribs says:

    Lucinius,

    That would be excellent :)

  116. dessert1111 says:

    Woodguy: Here’s the true standings.Playoffs are a distant bell

    CHICAGO0.828
    ANAHEIM0.727
    MINNESOTA0.656
    VANCOUVER0.636
    LOS ANGELES0.594
    DETROIT0.591
    ST LOUIS0.563
    SAN JOSE0.563
    ——————————-
    DALLAS0.516
    NASHVILLE0.515
    COLUMBUS0.500
    EDMONTON0.484
    PHOENIX0.470
    CALGARY0.469
    COLORADO0.406

    Sure, but I think the question is if Oilers management sees it that way (that is, that playoffs are a distant bell). There is probably pressure on Tambellini to push for the playoffs to save his job, so I can see him adding instead of subtracting, even if the odds are incredibly minute. Doesn’t make it a good decision, and I find it hard to imagine a scenario in which Whitney doesn’t get dealt at this point.

    The upcoming days should be interesting, anyway, and should form a tell on what management are thinking.

  117. LostBoy says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers are 4-2-2 since the midway point of the season…so if they continue at this torrid pace will that be enough?

    8-4-4 between now and the end of the season.

    Sadly, no. The playoff cutline in the west currently projects to 54 points and it hasn’t moved much from there in recent weeks.

    We need 11-4-1 or 10-3-3.

    Anything less probably won’t be enough, and even that might not squeak it out.

    It’s not totally impossible – the Gagner/Cogliano/Nilsson led charge in 2008 went 13-4-1 down the stretch, before it all came crashing to a halt at home against Calgary in the second last game of the season. But it would take some magic at this point – you don’t need many fingers to count the regulation losses we can afford.

  118. Magnus says:

    Is it me or does anyone else find this talk of trading for soon to be UFAs very… silly. Guys like Clarkson and Horton…. why trade any assets for them at all? They’re going to be UFA in a couple of months and will cost the team nothing but money. Why give up any asset at all? Let alone Hemsky or Yakupov? That’s horrible asset management and quite ridiculous. Even if you wanted a chance to negotiate with the player early, before he hits UFA, then wait until the season is over when the price will be a draft pick in most cases. Why not wait till then? It’s not like we’re going to be making a run for the cup and need to acquire them at the deadline. Makes no sense to me.

  119. asiaoil says:

    I want JayBo and a signed Smid. Boston needs defense and scoring so we send them Hemsky and Whitney in return for their #1 pick and #3 picks. Put those picks in a package with a couple of extra AHL dmen like Fedor, Tueburt, Plante, Davidson and there is your package for JayBo. We clean out contracts at the NHL and AHL level and get a guy would stabilize our top pair.

  120. delooper says:

    asiaoil:
    I want JayBo and a signed Smid. Boston needs defense and scoring so we send them Hemsky and Whitney in return for their #1 pick and #3 picks. Put those picks in a package with a couple of extra AHL dmen like Fedor, Tueburt, Plante, Davidson and there is your package for JayBo. We clean out contracts at the NHL and AHL level and get a guy would stabilize our top pair.

    The thing I don’t understand about these fantasies is we have a complete lack of knowledge whether or not the other party would be interested in such a deal. We also have no idea what other offers these parties have on the table. So not only do we not know if they’re realistic, we don’t know if they’d even be considered if they were realistic.

  121. Mr DeBakey says:

    Boston would have to move some salary back, hence Horton

    With my luck
    If I ordered a ham sandwich
    I’d probably get one drafted in the 1st round by Doug MacLean

  122. maudite says:

    Magnus:
    Is it me or does anyone else find this talk of trading for soon to be UFAs very… silly. Guys like Clarkson and Horton….why trade any assets for them at all? They’re going to be UFA in a couple of months and will cost the team nothing but money. Why give up any asset at all? Let alone Hemsky or Yakupov? That’s horrible asset managementand quite ridiculous. Even if you wanted a chance to negotiate with the player early, before he hits UFA, then wait until the season is over when the price will be a draft pick in most cases. Why not wait till then? It’s not like we’re going to be making a run for the cup and need to acquire them at the deadline. Makes no sense to me.

    If you are talking hemsky, whitney and + to Boston, salary is coming back. That salary is Horton.

  123. Genjutsu says:

    maudite,

    Boston has a ton of cap space this year a ton. Cap geeks calculator shows they could pick up all our UFAs and be under cap.

  124. maudite says:

    asiaoil:
    I want JayBo and a signed Smid. Boston needs defense and scoring so we send them Hemsky and Whitney in return for their #1 pick and #3 picks. Put those picks in a package with a couple of extra AHL dmen like Fedor, Tueburt, Plante, Davidson and there is your package for JayBo. We clean out contracts at the NHL and AHL level and get a guy would stabilize our top pair.

    I don’t really know if I want JayBo over Hemsky or even if a 1st and a 3rd is equal value to what Hemsky gives you. I’m also not sure if any team trading the Oiler favorite slightly molded magic beans to Feaster will work for Jaybo either.

  125. asiaoil says:

    BOS looks like they have almost 7 mil in cap room and most of the season is gone – not sure how much they can take on but I think Whitney and Hemmer would fit. They could always send us some expiring crap like Pandolfo if necessary.

    I think we have be both buyers and sellers – one seller deal or more to clear out extra vets to contenders (Hemmer, Whitney, Peckham, Jones etc). Plus one or more buyer deal for next year (like Jaybo) using the picks we get from dealing the vets and extra defense assets in the AHL/WHL.

  126. Marc says:

    maudite: If you are talking hemsky, whitney and + to Boston, salary is coming back.That salary is Horton.

    According to Capgeek, the Oilers could send Whitney and Hemsky to Boston for prospects and it would be cap compliant this season. Hemsky would be a bit of a problem for them next season, beacuse he’d take up half their capspace (assuming Savard doesn’t play) and they’d still have two goalies and a couple of depth D to sign.

    Sending Horton wouldn’t help them though, as he’s UFA, so I wouldn’t assume he comes back in a trade. I think it’s more likely that they hold on to him for their playoff run.

  127. Captain Obvious says:

    We need good NHL players with contracts beyond this year. No team with good NHL players with contracts beyond this year are going to be trading them at the deadline. If we trade Hemsky now it will be a disaster.

    The best we can hope for is to trade expiring contracts and useless players like Belanger for picks and to re-sign Smid.

    The time to strike is the offseason when the cap crunch comes. Any significant move before that is destined to fail.

  128. hunter1909 says:

    Too bad from Hall right up to Lowe these Rexall types think the fans are responsible; so flowing out of the mouth of the Bullshitti River(where these entitled idiots come from) means that from now on and forever they’re totally fucked.

  129. delooper says:

    Captain Obvious,

    But that’s obvious.

  130. delooper says:

    hunter1909:
    Too bad from Hall right up to Lowe these Rexall types think the fans are responsible; so flowing out of the mouth of the Bullshitti River(where these entitled idiots come from) means that from now on and forever they’re totally fucked.

    I’m not sure what you’re referring to but maybe they’re right?

  131. VOR says:

    Rickithebear:

    I followed your instructions and for the 2005/2006 NCAA season through the 2010-2011 NCAA season using your rules there are 32 players who meet your criteria (.7+ ppg in their 18 year old season if a center and .8 ppg in their 18 year old season if they are a forward). 8 have yet to play an NHL game. Of those who have to date they are scoring at a .57 ppg clip in the NHL or 47 points. If you take out Phil Kessel and Jonathan Toews the rest are scoring at a .46 ppg pace or 38 points per year. So the odds of Kenny Agostino every playing pro from your data set are 75% and he trends to be around a 38 point a year winger since his 18 year old numbers aren’t close to Toews’ 1.35 or Kessel’s 1.31. Thus, he is an above replacement level prospect but I think you are over selling him.

  132. denny33 says:

    rickithebear,

    Either way – Calgary gets 3 bodies in return for a player that will not be playing hockey in 24 months…and a 1st round pick in a ‘generational draft ‘ *could* turn into something. Cory Perry was selected 28th overall.

    Many, many teams have let players ( Nashville ) simply walk away for ZERO return.

    Quite simply – a lot of GM’s over pay close to the deadline. And the oilers should take advantage of that….

    I mean – Morrow for a top prospect. Morrow will not be playing hockey in 24 months or less…

    Murray for a 2nd rounder?

    We will all forget these moves in 5 years – but it would be interesting to look back 5 years later to see what Pitsburgh ( if anything ) missed by obtaining Murray, Morrow and Iginla.

    If they win the cup then it was all worth it…

    How about last year – Gaustad for a 1st round pick?

    Oilers should be selling into this market ….they should have been bigger sellers last year.

  133. denny33 says:

    VanOil,

    Great point – happens almost every year – including the NFL….always.

    A team will think they know better than anyone else and take a kid far down the list…

    Winnipeg did a a few years ago…

    Calgary did it last year…..

  134. justDOit says:

    GordM,

    Someone needs to troll that over at FN!

  135. DeadmanWaking says:

    rich:
    @ Godot: That is the first lucid defense of Tambellini that I can actually agree with. It still doesn’t justify the results (they are miserable at Pro Player Acquisition), but it is reasonable.

    The hallmark of groupthink: when a voice against the grain is handed a Milk Bone for opining that 2+2=4.

    What we know for certain about ST the dithering dentist is that he’s really tight with the lidocaine.

    Though I know that evenin’s empire has returned into sand
    Vanished from my hand
    Left me blindly here to stand but still not sleeping
    My weariness amazes me, I’m branded on my feet
    I have no one to meet
    And the ancient empty street’s too dead for dreaming.

    Unfortunately, he seems to be the kind of dentist who doesn’t give a damn about his patient’s anguish sleeping with a mouth full of empty sockets. He’s far more worried about the gingivitis.

    How did we get here?

    First: twelve-year Canadian dollar tank job from 1993 to 2005.

    Prime Minister: Remember when I requested a dollar more like we had in the mid seventies?
    Finance Minister: Well, I for one think we’ve had a pretty good twelve years! Except for that small blip during the dotcom bubble when slid into the mid sixties–mostly the high sixties–and that we all know that wasn’t reality. Aside from that, we’ve been tracking at 75 cents plus or minus with admirable consistency if I may toot my own horn.
    Prime Minister: [Blinks] We were trading at parity or better in the mid seventies.
    Finance Minster: I’m not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your mathematics, there, Lou. Parity is a buck for a buck. That’s how it works, you know, on paper and all that. There’s just no way to construe the mid seventies as parity, your eternal lordship.
    Prime Minister: [Sighs] You may keep your job. Well done.

    Bought a new arena lately? No? I didn’t think so.

    Second: Cold, dark outpost of passionate, knowledgeable fans, unhappily roused from the HOF groaning board.

    He could not make out where he was at all, or why he felt so hungry; for he had forgotten everything that had happened since they started their journey that May morning long ago. The last thing that he remembered was the party at the hobbit’s house, and they had great difficulty in making him believe their tale of all the many adventures they had had since. When he heard that there was nothing to eat, he sat down and wept, for he felt very weak and wobbly in the legs. ‘Why ever did I wake up!’ he cried. ‘I was having such beautiful dreams. I dreamed I was walking in a forest rather like this one, only lit with torches on the trees and lamps swinging from the branches and fires burning on the ground; and there was a great feast going on on, going on for ever. A woodland king was there with a crown of leaves, and there was a merry singing, and I could not count or describe the things there were to eat and drink.’ [Cribbed from Fattest of the Dwarves]

    Scout: So we’ve got a choice here. We’ve got this guy circled who could become the next Tom Poti. Wonderful pick this far in. Or we’ve got this JFJ kid who could be the next Mike Grier–if his hands take a big step forward.
    GM: His hands need a big step to become the next Mike Grier?
    Scout: You got it. My thinking exactly. So, we’re good with the Tom Poti mold then? This kid is a sure thing, great skills, the kind you can’t teach. But he’ll never get his nose dirty. It’s just not in his DNA.
    GM: Uh, let me sleep on that one.
    Scout: You’re worrying me. From a hockey perspective, it’s a no-brainer.
    GM: Oh come on. The fan is never wrong, and we’ve got the best fans in the NHL.
    Scout: So I’ve been told. But frankly, I don’t have them rated nearly so high. They were right about Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffee, Fuhr, Moog, gingers, Gators and Finns. But tell me, what have they been right about lately?
    GM: Poti gets the same giant new raspberry in the Big Apple.
    Scout: Of course he does. Frida’s the ugly one. When you’ve got the roll for Agneta, you’re not gonna settle. Gimme a break here, this is Frida vs Julia. And I’m not talking Julia Roberts. I’m talking Julia Childs.
    GM: Oh, but our fans will love the cut of her jib. 6’2″ and bone structure that simply doesn’t grow on trees. She had no hands, either, until she carved a 50lb sack of onions into one giant heap.
    Scout: Bon appetit, man. They’re your tears.

    Third: EIG prudence leaves our development pipeline in tatters–and we should thank them for holding the fort.

    Fourth: Lowe blows his wad to welcome the CBA era, finishing the season a c-hair short of lucky number seven, then follows the CFP exodus. This is all Lowe’s fault exactly how?

    Fifth: Billionaire salvation, but he shows up and wants to have his cake and eat it too. Kicks the tires, goes on a whale hunt. Plays too much tennis and carouses with Falstaff, before manning up with a viable plan.

    Sixth: Lowe goes certifiable insane when no-one returns his calls in the post-CFG Armageddon landscape. Some painful contracts are inked. Katz moves quickly to ambiguify Lowe’s authority, but by then the damage is already done.

    Seventh: At rock bottom, our new GM decides that one can never have too many mooring anchors. The wisdom of this bears out when we haul up one fat oyster after another into a despoiled cargo hold.

    Eighth: We suffer a series of highly uninspiring transactions in the management suite while a fresh nucleus incubates just fine, thank you very much.

    Ninth: Mr Tambeline man is extremely tight with the Lidocaine, either proving he has no sense of self-preservation whatsoever, or that he’s acting under guidance from someone we can’t ever fire.

    In building Computer Associates, Wang engaged in fifty takeovers, many of which were followed by the immediate termination of top management and key employees. His strategies had provoked descriptions like “rapacious,” “heartless” and “Attila-the-Hun” – largely driven by the draconian practices he engaged in with acquired companies, although these tactics were legal in the State of New York. The most notorious of these practices included forcing the employees of an acquired company to sign new employment contracts on-the-spot at a company meeting without prior warning. Employees who refused to sign at that meeting or wished to have the contracts reviewed by a third party prior to signing were immediately fired.

    Hey, would you look at that: our worst possible nightmare is A-ok with the chopping block. Yeah, we should be more Wang-like.

    So there it is. Our present management woes make my Top Ten list of “how we got here”. But not by very much.

  136. boopronger says:

    Even if oilers win tonight they are still done. Do what I did and just accept that and you will sleep much better.

  137. Traktor says:

    The shitty thing about Iggy not going to Boston is it looks like Whitney might have been a domino replacing the D Boston was sending away.

    Anyone know how long Belanger is out for? Hopefully he is healthy in time to pick up a mid rounder. Hopefully Jones is gone too. He’s been terrible since the eye injury ( I thought he was decent the last couple years).

  138. BlacqueJacque says:

    Traktor,

    I was thinking the opposite, but then realized that Boston has Horton and Seguin on the right. Hemsky’s not hat much of an improvement on Horton, is older, and has had his own injury history.

  139. BlacqueJacque says:

    Heh, I just noticed that Brett Clark, AHL superstar and Oilers defence savior, has yet to play a game in the NHL this season despite being signed 2 weeks ago.

  140. Henry says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    Even by your standard that was a great post.

  141. gcw_rocks says:

    Ken King and Glenn Healy were just on TSN radio in Toronto. Ken King confirmed that Iginla gave the Flames a list of 4 teams he would accept a trade to. Healy was up next and, as a former NHLPA guy, said the next step for Feaster should have been to get a waiver from Iginla that specified he would accept a trade to those 4 teams and file it with the league. Feaster knows this from when he traded Richards in Tampa. At that point, Iginla would lose all say as to which of the 4 teams he goes to, but Feaster never got it in writing and never filed the waiver with the league. Instead he ran the “auction” based on Iginla’s word. Thus Iginla had the power to change his mind.

    What a colossal fuck up. And on the heels of the O’Reilly deal as well. Tambo, move over, there is a new King in town…

  142. Gret99zky says:

    So Oilers play Columbus tonight.

    Columbus in Calgary tomorrow. 2nd game of a back to back.

    How come the Flames are winning so many home games?

    Who makes the damn schedule?

  143. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    With so many players in play at the deadline, my hope is that TambLoweMacSon focus on those players who have the most value as ‘rentals’ at this time and leave players like Smid, Gagner as fish to be fried in the offseason. Just think there’s too much potential for underwhelming results if you try to deal 5 or 6 bodies in this short time span.

    My hope is that Belanger, Whitney and Hemsky are the outgoing players. Hemsky because we have depth with Eberle and Yakupov at that position and he should be dangled for a Top 4 D or C now. The challenge is getting a starter back from a team looking to load up for the postseason, so targets should be clubs with a glut of depth at those positions. Hemmer was rumoured to Ottawa before. Anyone see anything worth acquiring there on D outside of Karlsson, Phillips and Gonchar?

    With Gagner, I think you wait to see where you finish in the standings to assess whether you’ll have a shot atC with size in the draft and to get a pulse on Sam’s contract demands. Feel strongly that Cup contenders do not have #2 Cs that are poor on the faceoff and in their own end. We are fortunate that Gags is producing points at a nice clip this year. If Tambellini plays this chip correctly, he can really balance the lineup. Like the player, his ‘try’ is awesome, but something’s gotta give.

    TambLoweMacSon

    I like that. Nice.

    Also,

    If you trade Hemsky and one of 14 or 64 gets injured you new top 6 RW is Ryan Jones.

    I would not call that “depth”

  144. Gret99zky says:

    If they are going to trade Whitney don’t play him. Don’t risk injury and blow up a possible trade. Showcase be damned. Souray should have taught them that. Geez.

  145. Woodguy says:

    Smarmy:
    Woodguy,

    I have a feeling it will be Shinkaruk.

    I don’t think the Oilers take a kid under 6’0 when he’s not RNH or Yak and everyone says he’s the best player in the draft.

    Hell of a player.

    Oilers also seem to like drafting Oil Kings.

  146. justDOit says:

    Woodguy: TambLoweMacSon

    I like that. Nice.

    But we’re not giving Olczyk enough credit here – he is the only guy who actually has the title of ‘Assistant GM’. His name would be extremely difficult to fit in there with the other four though.

  147. Woodguy says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    That was exceptional.

    One of your best sir.

  148. jb says:

    So we’re officially better than Calgary for the next decade or so. Knowing this my desire to kick them when they’re down is now strangely non existent.

  149. Woodguy says:

    Just heard Hall say in a Gregor interview:

    “We need to get more shots its crazy how much more zone time you get when you get more shots

    RK is teaching them the math of hockey.

    Just when I think I’m done, RK is dragging me back in.

    Great to hear.

  150. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Woodguy,
    Smarmy,

    After that Tiger’s upset and sweep over the Blades the Oil Kings/Oilers brass are going to get a whole series to watch Shinkaruk up close.

  151. bendelson says:

    WG:

    Lazar is certainly a player the Oilers will target at the draft – I don’t think this is a stretch at all.
    If the Oilers play well from here on out and get a 10 or 11 pick, it is hard to disagree that Lazar will be the choice (still early but…)
    It gets far more interesting if they continue to struggle and end up with a pick in the 6 or 7 spot with Monahan still on the board.

    Lazar > Monahan?

  152. Lowetide says:

    bendelson:
    WG:

    Lazar is certainly a player the Oilers will target at the draft – I don’t think this is a stretch at all.
    If the Oilers play well from here on out and get a 10 or 11 pick, it is hard to disagree that Lazar will be the choice (still early but…)
    It gets far more interesting if they continue to struggle and end up with a pick in the 6 or 7 spot with Monahan still on the board.

    Lazar > Monahan?

    The thing about living in Edmonton is you hear things. Who knows if it trickles down from the Oilers, but driving around town each winter there’s always a name or three that become known to the fanbase. Last year, I was told week of the draft the Oilers liked Moroz enough to take him in the second round.

    True story.

    Guy that told me? Owns his own company in the west end.

    That’s Edmonton!

    This year? They are strong, strong on Lazar. True? Hell if I know.

  153. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Lowetide,

    Guy I know told me they would not pass on Samuelsson in the 2nd round. And they didn’t.

  154. Lowetide says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴:
    Lowetide,

    Guy I know told me they would not pass on Samuelsson in the 2nd round. And they didn’t.

    I hope they tried like hell to trade back into that 1st round with 32nd plus.

  155. bendelson says:

    Lowetide,

    And that’s where it gets interesting LT.
    Just how strong are they on Lazar?
    Monahan strong?
    Barkov strong?
    That’s strong like bull.

  156. geeker99 says:

    I agree it is a longshot to make the playoffs, but as long there is a chance the games are meaningful. our kids need that in the worse way. Tanking can become bad vibe to get out of. i stopped watching at the beginning of december last year. its nice to get home and look forward to a hockey game. the fans need meaningful hockey as well.

  157. Lowetide says:

    bendelson:
    Lowetide,

    And that’s where it gets interesting LT.
    Just how strong are they on Lazar?
    Monahan strong?
    Barkov strong?
    That’s strong like bull.

    I have him 12th, can’t imagine the Oilers have him in the top 5.

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/2/20/looking-ahead

  158. striatic says:

    watching the Pens game right now, and their entire philosophy of play is incredible.

    so many no look passes, glance passes, passes off the goalie’s pads, passes off the boards..

    everything is about unpredictability. unpredictability above all things, at least in the offensive zone.

    know generally where your friends are, where they can get to, and put the pucks into those areas as quickly as possible, even if that means no-look pass.

  159. gogliano says:

    Phoenix on pace to win 30-0 ten minutes into the game.

    ETA: 30-6.

    ETA 2: 30-12.

  160. Woodguy says:

    I’m giving everyone homework on tonight’s game.

    Watch how each center positions himself in the Dzone to get the first pass when they get possession.

    One of the keys to maintaining possession is to have possession exiting the zone, in the neutral zone, then into the ozone.

    Possession in the Dzone, leads to possession in the neutral zone, leads to possession in the ozone, leads to shots, leads to goals, leads to winning.

    Its my opinion that a significant reason the Oilers get out shot as bad as they do because they do is because they don’t exit the zone enough with possession.

    The other main reason is a lack of 2nd shots when they have possession in the ozone.

    Watch how each C on each line positions himself to take the first pass from the D.

    RNH is very often in a easy position for the D to make a 10 ft first pass and hand over possession to RNH.

    The other C’s are not as good, but 10 is very close.

    RNH has the best exit stats and possession stats for any C on the team. His linemates help, but he’s really good at making the first pass easy.

    When you have 1.5Dmen who can pass, making the first one easy is critical to maintaining possession.

    89 has a tendency to fly the zone and the D’s first option is 30+ft away, not a recipe for a good break out.

    The 89 line likes the lob to the neutral zone a lot too.

    Probably one of the reasons 89 flies the zone early.

    I think he should be lower.

  161. VanOil says:

    gcw_rocks:
    What a colossal fuck up. And on the heels of the O’Reilly deal as well. Tambo, move over, there is a new King in town…

    I am not here to defend Fester or Tambo the Terrible. But as much as I dislike the Flames they traded the best player in Flames history for magic beans at the end of his career.

    The Oilers traded the the best player in hockey history in the prime of his career. No Flame fan is as upset today as I was on August 9, 1988.

    In fact just thinking about it now I am still more upset all these years latter than Flames have right to be today. Agreed on “colossal fuck up” but that still beats the soul destroying heresy we have suffered in the past.

    Tambo’s atrocities past, present and probably in the future are just flesh wounds compared to Pocklinton’s vile act. I guess you could say I am bitter and holding a grudge.

  162. VanOil says:

    Lowetide,

    LT when you update your draft list please include the same ‘ending’ it provides me something to look forward to that I know is going to end well. Thanks.

  163. bendelson says:

    We will see how it works out. We know the Oilers will stretch for the player they want (Moroz).
    I’d slot Barkov 4 and Monahan 5 today, with both players being well ahead of Lazar – hence the totally premature angst… but let’s put that disappointment off for another day.

    Caught your show for the first time last Saturday. Really strong, strong show LT.

  164. hunter1909 says:

    VanOil: Tambo’s atrocities past, present and probably in the future are just flesh wounds compared to Pocklinton’s vile act. I guess you could say I am bitter and holding a grudge.

    For me the narrative of this team is whether they win another cup or more, to make up for the 3-4 they missed out on.

    The trouble is, the Klowns in management are the selfsame fools who:

    1- couldn’t win a cup with Chris Pronger
    2- proved incapable of managing a cap team.
    3 – proved useless at drafting other than 1st overall.
    4 – whenever pressed, always comes out blaming the paying fans
    5 – manage an almost Hooterville-esq broadcast team
    6 – happily threaten to move the team, like Pocklington, exactly the same way but no cups ever.
    7 – keep an entitlement culture throughout the team that makes Scientology blush.

  165. "Steve Smith" says:

    hunter1909: 1- couldn’t win a cup with Chris Pronger

    They had Chris Pronger for one season, during which they came within one game of winning the Stanley Cup. This is a better-than-average performance for a season’s worth of Chris Pronger having.

    I’m no great admirer of Oilers management, but does this seriously top your list? Especially when it’s well-established that the Oilers’ defeat in 2006 was because Shawn Horcoff was their first-line centre?

  166. hunter1909 says:

    “Steve Smith”: I’m no great admirer of Oilers management, but does this seriously top your list? Especially when it’s well-established that the Oilers’ defeat in 2006 was because Shawn Horcoff was their first-line centre?

    That list is random. Hands up, I just like attacking the management.

    Btw Steve, why do you continue to troll me- with tonight’s example being Horcoff as some kind of “first-line” centre?

    It certainly takes some of the shine off of your statement yesterday, that’s for sure.

  167. VanOil says:

    hunter1909,

    I am unsure what it will take to make me less bitter. A cup our two would help, three and drinking the koolaide, four would probably do it as long as there was still a pipeline for further success. But I thank you for your remarkably upbeat premise that my bitterness could be cured and I agree the onus is on Oilers management to work towards this.

    I apologize to all if my rant brought you down airing old wounds, hope a natural Yaktrick in the first will start the long weekend off right.

  168. VanOil says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I take your mythical Horcoff and raise you a game 1 goal tender injury!

  169. hunter1909 says:

    VanOil,

    I’m enjoying this season. I’ve been able to go from koolaid drinker to rabid cynic in less than ten games.

    Enjoying cheering for the oiler’s opposition – got a huge kick out of seeing Eberle flattened the other night, for example.

    I try not to let this stuff effect me one way or another. It makes an interesting sideshow when they win. That’s over 20 years ago. Longer than the time between World War 1 and World War 2.

    Rant on, dude.

  170. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909,

    Btw Steve, why do you continue to troll me- with tonight’s example being Horcoff as some kind of “first-line” centre?

    You’re not the only anti-Horcoff who posts here so Steve wasn’t trolling you specifically, but good of you to own it.

  171. danny says:

    Carolina were star crossed winners that season. From the Koivu injury, to a game 7 win versus BUF that had 5 of its top 6 defensemen injured, to a finals where the conne smythe favorite goes down in game 1… every lucky happenstance that one could concieve happened.

    They were no doubt a good team and kudos to an impressive powerplay…

    But they caught every break imaginable. Buffalo were the better team. So were Edmonton. In the end though, they won. I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t acknowledge this, because I’ve taken much happiness from the missed CGY game 6 OT winner in 2004.

  172. Derek says:

    I know I’m way, way late to the party but Hockeystreams is an amazing value. Its nice being able to pick a broadcast for either team, as I cheer for the teams in the bottom 10 of the league to pass the Oilers.

    I’m tired of watching a team tank intentionally, and that’s not what I’m doing at all. This team is actually trying to compete (allegedly) and the lower they finish the greater chance someone gets fired. At this point, even if it is just for the sake of optics, I feel entitled to my pound (ton) of flesh.

    Also, all that talk earlier about trading RNH to make room for Gagner, Dougie Hamilton not being a legit prospect and so on and so forth was terrible, and I hope you all feel bad.

  173. Lowetide says:

    Fuck. I’m never going to get over the series. Not ever. It’s like Rick Monday squared.

  174. VanOil says:

    Ah, a sunny long weekend. I have decided to fortify myself for tonights game with a summer time tipple, white wine and soda. In a pint glass of course so i don’t feel emasculated, like the Oilers management having to many small forwards. Size matters in the good ol’ hockey game don’t ya know, even in drink selection.

  175. delooper says:

    RK’s pregame interview is beautiful. I think I love him!

  176. gogliano says:

    Lowetide:
    Fuck. I’m never going to get over the series. Not ever. It’s like Rick Monday squared.

    When Pronger put in that penalty shot I thought it was as good as done.

  177. Derek says:

    Joffrey Lupul just scored on a beautiful coast-to-coast solo effort against Carolina.

    Goddamn Hurricanes.

  178. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: You’re not the only anti-Horcoff who posts here so Steve wasn’t trolling you specifically, but good of you to own it.

    Thanks for the heads up on Steve.

    K Lowe, MacT, Horcoff, Bucky, and the real Steve Smith unfortunately contribute to an undeserved sense of entitlement over the paying fans who, after all feed them. Now Taylor Hall has taken up the cause. Hardly surprising, when you think of it.

    Kind of like a white kid growing up in Aparthied South Africa, constantly hearing about the horrible blacks outside the compound. This stuff does have a tendency to rub off.

    Now that I think about it, I can see Hall wearing Boer clothes, with a beard and safari hat or whatever.

  179. VanOil says:

    Lowetide:
    Fuck. I’m never going to get over the series. Not ever. It’s like Rick Monday squared.

    The Oilers run and my mistaken belief more was to come was one of the deciding factors of me returning to Alberta in the summer of 2006. After 10 years in exile in Europe missing hockey, especially after attending the hockey Torrino Olympics. I am still missing Hockey.

  180. delooper says:

    Lowetide:
    Fuck. I’m never going to get over the series. Not ever. It’s like Rick Monday squared.

    I was living in Germany then. Game 7, I remember staying up until 5am, listening to 6:30 CHED over the internet and chatting on this forum. Man, was I tired.

  181. VanOil says:

    More drink will be required!

  182. Derek says:

    Apparently Khabi wants to stay.

  183. Lowetide says:

    Nuge definitely didn’t give the defense a good pass option there. Of course, they were getting scored on from 900 feet. :-)

  184. striatic says:

    showcase!

  185. Lucinius says:

    Ugly. Khabbi hadn’t fallen back into proper positioning..

  186. hunter1909 says:

    I was just thinking how determined the oilers looked, then the goal, ha ha ha.

  187. hunter1909 says:

    Hopefully Khabibulin let’s in a bunch of quick ones, to give oilers more time to catch up after he’s been yanked.

  188. GordM says:

    similar to the last STL home game…Khabby with an absolute moral breaking goal allowed.

    For a second there I thought the CLB player might start sweeping that rock err puck on it’s way into the net.

  189. jake70 says:

    Hunter, suggest anything good to start drinking?? lol

  190. VanOil says:

    Pull Bullin quick this could get ugly

  191. hunter1909 says:

    “Khabibulin looks a little shaky so far.” CBJ’s broadcast in understatement of the evening so far.

  192. hunter1909 says:

    Khabibulin’s let in his goal, next up is either Whitney or else Gagner.

  193. spoiler says:

    Getting completely out-hustled all over the ice. The skaters are embarrassing themselves thus far.

  194. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Well fk, turn on the game, it’s 1-0 10 sec in, NK isbetween the pipes and 94 is taking a D zone faceoff. All is well in Oilerland.

  195. hunter1909 says:

    Fortress Rexall.

    “Wtf is up with the fans tonight? It’s already 1-0 ffs! Come on! Let’s get the lead out”. Kevin Lowe/MacT/Taylor Hall etc

  196. Lucinius says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Well fk, turn on the game, it’s 1-0 10 sec in, NK isbetween the pipes and 94 is taking a D zone faceoff. All is well in Oilerland.

    Smyth technically fared better than 93 did at a center ice face off!

  197. GordM says:

    Oh Safeway…whatever insurance premium you paid for that $1million-if-an-Oiler-scores-5-goals was too much. Save the money…self insure! You will not regret!

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