HARSKI TO OKC AGAIN?

Joanne Ireland reports this evening that the Edmonton Oilers may be on the verge of sending out Finn Teemu Hartikainen. Plans have the club making the move if Eric Belanger is deemed ready to play. Article is here.

  • Ireland: If he’s (Belanger) ready to return, they will likely move Hartikainen to the Oklahoma City Barons of the American Hockey League.

Long time Oiler fans will recognize this predictable move is likely because the club has options on Hartikainen without risking waivers. Harski and Magnus Paajarvi (also on the bubble for demotion much of this season) have avoided the OKC trip a few times this season, notably when wingers Darcy Hordichuk and Ben Eager were waived and then sent out.

Hartikainen is unlikely to spend long with the Barons, as the trade deadline is just around the corner and Edmonton is likely to be active. They’ve already acquired winger Mike Brown from Toronto during the deadline window.

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40 Responses to "HARSKI TO OKC AGAIN?"

  1. delooper says:

    I don’t have very strong feelings about this. Teemu is getting better but whether he does it in OKC or Edmonton, that’s more a symptom of the relative lack of tools in the Oilers arsenal. The Oilers probably really need a slightly better Belanger than the one they have right now.

  2. Smarmy says:

    Belanger sucks so I can see why you’d rather trade/flush him then send down Teemu but then again he’s no great shakes either.

  3. stener says:

    i don’t see this as a bad move. may as well give him more development minutes in OKC since I don’t think he can help us win at an nhl level
    any word on when lander is back?

  4. Ducey says:

    stener:
    i don’t see this as a bad move.may as well give him more development minutes in OKC since I don’t think he can help us win at an nhl level
    any word on when lander is back?

    Lander got off IR March 12 and has been with OKC since.

  5. striatic says:

    i’m a big Harski booster, but this isn’t so bad a thing at this point in his career.

    he’ll be back.

  6. stener says:

    Ducey,

    Thanks. I still believe in the guy. Paajarvi’s recent emergence has reinvigorated my hope for him

  7. LMHF#1 says:

    He’s better than Ryan Jones and has proven it. That should be enough to stay here at present. This team is way too doctrinaire and cautious. Even with his warts, I miss Sather’s approach.

  8. wheatnoil says:

    This move says more about the organization’s view of Paajarvi than anything. I would like to see them put Petrell on waivers and send him down, but Krueger seems to really like him. Hartikainen doesn’t have the coach’s trust when the game is on the line (and fair enough, he’s young and a rookie). He’ll be back before the end of the season and I suspect he’ll be on the team to stay next year, when I believe he will no longer be waiver-exempt.

  9. delooper says:

    LMHF#1: if the Oilers are cautious, are the Red Wings comatose?

  10. Lowetide says:

    LMHF#1:
    He’s better than Ryan Jones and has proven it. That should be enough to stay here at present. This team is way too doctrinaire and cautious. Even with his warts, I miss Sather’s approach.

    Agreed. This management group waits too long on the JDD’s and not long enough on the Brodziak’s. Whatever “it” is, they don’t have it.

  11. Southern Oil says:

    Not to get off topic, but what is going on with the Ducks. Perry for $8.625 Million for 8 years??????? I love Halls contract!

  12. striatic says:

    we want Calgary to lose tonight, right?

  13. Gerta Rauss says:

    If Anaheim keeps handing out contracts, they are going to have the janitor and the coat check girl playing 3rd pairing minutes and 2nd pp.

  14. Gerta Rauss says:

    And–assuming Harski is assigned to OKC–it’ll be for a cup of coffee while management sorts out its strategy for the trade deadline(snickers a bit while I type that)

  15. Henry says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. This management group waits too long on the JDD’s and not long enough on the Brodziak’s. Whatever “it” is, they don’t have it.

    I still wonder why they flushed Brodziak the way they did and for so little. Something must have happened because it seemed a stupid trade then and worse now.

  16. slopitch says:

    Keep him up your rushing him. Send him down your indecisive. Can’t win I guess.

    10 games in the AHL won’t kill him. I bet he doesn’t even last that long

  17. Henry says:

    Southern Oil:
    Not to get off topic, but what is going on with the Ducks.Perry for $8.625 Million for 8 years???????I love Halls contract!

    I’m thinking of what I would buy with $70 million dollars. The lockout just bummed me out again.

  18. Southern Oil says:

    Well the Flames lost – in regulation at least. Dallas gains a point though

    EDIT: meant Dallas leap frogs us by a point obviously. Gets 2 for the win.

  19. striatic says:

    Southern Oil: Not to get off topic, but what is going on with the Ducks. Perry for $8.625 Million for 8 years??????? I love Halls contract!

    i thought the new CBA was supposed to put that sort of contract to an end ..

  20. striatic says:

    Southern Oil: Well the Flames lost – in regulation at least. Dallas gains a point though

    with the Games in Hand taken into account, the Dallas win is a better one for the Oilers, even though it sets them back a place.

  21. HeyJakel says:

    Hey LT (or anyone):

    Off topic, but do you know what jersey Hartikainen is wearing in that picture? Looks like the Rangers’ old Lady Liberty 3rd jersey but it also seems to have the Barons’ current (albeit recolored) OKC shoulder patch…

  22. Southern Oil says:

    striatic: i thought the new CBA was supposed to put that sort of contract to an end ..

    Nothing ever has the desired consequence IMO. Maybe now since you can’t string out deals for 14 years, they are going to have to up the AAV. I wonder what this does to our situation with Smid. I just don’t see how people expect us to sign him for a value $15 for 5 year deal. I don’t see him taking less than $4M / year to stay. And on the open market, I guess he gets $4.5M at least on a long term deal.

  23. stevezie says:

    striatic,

    Well the Ducks are betting heavily that the new CBA means a bigger gap between all-stars and everyone else.

    The theory goes that no more back-diving contracts means you can no longer lower cap-hits, and the big guns will always get their money. Always. So you pay them because you have to, their cap hit is high because it has to be, and the rest of the players feel the squeeze.

    My personal theory is that everyone will always get their money because desperate managers will always overpay for something they need, because if you really need it it’s not an overpay. If Smid or someone like him can get four million, then you’re screwed if you are already paying your two best forwards a combined 16 million.

    So we’ll see how it shakes out. Either the CBA changed everything, the Ducks are cutting edge and Smid will be lucky to get even three million, or the CBA changed nothing, the Ducks are cooked, and caphits from the old CBA are still good comparables (Smid gets between 3.4 and 4.5, depending on how stupid you consider GMs.)

    Now THIS is a “we wait” scenario.

  24. icecastles says:

    Gerta Rauss: If Anaheim keeps handing out contracts, they are going to have the janitor and the coat check girl playing 3rd pairing minutes and 2nd pp.

    Yeah what a crappy team. They’ll never win anything.

    Except that cup a few years back. And 21 games so far this season. What losers.

  25. striatic says:

    well, given what Perry and Getzlaf got, Hall and even Eberle are absolute steals at 6×6 – especially if the team keeps Gagner and RNH and Schultz and Yakupov at or under those figures.

    back of the napkin, they have enough space for a handful of 6 million dollar men.

  26. jake70 says:

    icecastles: Yeah what a crappy team. They’ll never win anything.

    Except that cup a few years back. And 21 games so far this season. What losers.

    Why don’t we wait and see what those contracts do to that team and it’s prospects for winning in years to come.

  27. icecastles says:

    jake70,

    No way. Evidence and statistics are my kryptonite. I thrive on one-liners, bile and saw-him-good-ness.

  28. DeadmanWaking says:

    striatic: we want Calgary to lose tonight, right?

    This is why Sportsclubstats exists, to work out the permutations and combinations of strategic cheering. I’ve watched this long enough to know that for teams in the low bubble, the three-wheeled buggies right beside you (or right behind you) aren’t very important–until the last week of the season. Your real prayer is answered when one of the four-wheeled buggies three or four points in front of you hits a banana peel and spins out. For the low bubble team, the rule is you have to beat the teams near you by actually winning games and pass the teams who have opened up a gap in front of you by taking grim succor in a succession of trials and tribulations on the out-of-town scoreboard.

    Tonight, we very much want Anaheim to beat SJ in regulation. SJ is one of those teams we can reel in they falter with just a small spurt, but can only reel in with a huge (and unlikely) spurt if they purr happily along until the end of the season.

    The worst case scenario for a low bubble team is to put on an impressive late season spurt (leaving all the pretenders that were clustered around you choking on your dust), then breast the tape in a photo finish beside a team looked good in the first half of the season who stumbled to the finish line in the second half in a state of consistent mediocrity–only to discover that the tie-breaker goes to clause 4B and you’re out.

    If we put on a nice finish, we could very much find ourselves crying over a refund we can’t have on those two points we gave Detroit.

    If you can pass a team by good performance alone (e.g. Dallas) the out-of-town scoreboard isn’t terribly relevant. Just win, dammit.

  29. steveb12344 says:

    I just updated the standings.(assuming LA wins)

    It is easier to look at in baseball terms, as in games back, instead of points.

    With SJ holding 8th spot I called them even and went +/- from there 3rd to 15th are all in it so here goes.

    Min +2

    St L +2.

    LA +2

    Van +1

    Det +1

    SJ E

    Phx E

    Dal -.5

    Edm -1

    Cal -1.5

    Nsh -1.5

    Cbs -1.5

    Col -3

    That’s ridiculous tight, and from here anything can happen.

  30. TheOtherJohn says:

    Henry: I still wonder why they flushed Brodziak the way they did and for so little.Something must have happened because it seemed a stupid trade then and worse now.

    Or maybe they moved Brodziak because they are stupid.Equally defensible to “something must have happened” Also as stupid as Gilbert/NSchultz trade…. “Gotta be something more to it” Schultz making $3.5m playing 3rd pairing minutes in Minny . On Smid story is can’t pay defensive D $3.5 to 4.0. But traded for N Schultz making similar $$ with ZERO offense.

    Geez Oilers pick a narrative and stick with it.

  31. steveb12344 says:

    OOps… Phx actually with the loss is tied with Dallas at -.5

  32. boopronger says:

    With regards to the Perry contract, its pretty obvious that this was gonna happen. All those other deals dont seem as bad cuz teams kept throwing bonus years on the end of contracts at $1 million.

  33. spoiler says:

    DeadmanWaking: This is why Sportsclubstats exists, to work out the permutations and combinations of strategic cheering.I’ve watched this long enough to know that for teams in the low bubble, the three-wheeled buggies right beside you (or right behind you) aren’t very important–until the last week of the season.Your real prayer is answered when one of the four-wheeled buggies three or four points in front of you hits a banana peel and spins out.For the low bubble team, the rule is you have to beat the teams near you by actually winning games and pass the teams who have opened up a gap in front of you by taking grim succor in a succession of trials and tribulations on the out-of-town scoreboard.

    Tonight, we very much want Anaheim to beat SJ in regulation. SJ is one of those teams we can reel in they falter with just a small spurt, but can only reel in with a huge (and unlikely) spurt if they purr happily along until the end of the season.

    The worst case scenario for a low bubble team is to put on an impressive late season spurt (leaving all the pretenders that were clustered around you choking on your dust), then breast the tape in a photo finish beside a team looked good in the first half of the season who stumbled to the finish line in the second half in a state of consistent mediocrity–only to discover that the tie-breaker goes to clause 4B and you’re out.

    If we put on a nice finish, we could very much find ourselves crying over a refund we can’t have on those two points we gave Detroit.

    If you can pass a team by good performance alone (e.g. Dallas) the out-of-town scoreboard isn’t terribly relevant. Just win, dammit.

    We couldn’t have asked for a better out-of-town scoreboard than tonight’s. We gained a full 2.6% in our chance to make it, without playing a minute of hockey.

  34. Marc says:

    Henry: I still wonder why they flushed Brodziak the way they did and for so little.Something must have happened because it seemed a stupid trade then and worse now.

    I don’t think there’s much of a mystery. At the time the Oilers had Horcoff and Gagner locked in as their 1 and 2 centers, and four young players – Pouliot, Brule, Cogliano and Brodziak – completing to fill the bottom two center spots.

    Brodziak was the best of the four at the time, but management thought the other three guys had higher ceilings than Brodziak so they dumped him.

    Whoops.

  35. 106 and 106 says:

    No one picking up Hordi or Eager was really unfortunate (or just telling) – those two extra contracts spaces could have been Adam Hall and Roman Hamrlik, which would have been instant upgrades on the Belanger and Potter Triangle.

    Harski is still developing – if we’re patient, he might be the next Maggie – AHL and back isn’t a bad thing. We need an O-zone puck possession monster and if he can hone those cycling skills in the A and transfer them back, we got ourself a player.

  36. danny says:

    It’s nice to be watching tge standings this close to April.

    I can only scratch my head though when I look at anaheim and Montreal. 3 and 5 losses in regulation respectively in almost 30 games played. Both north of +20 in gd.

    Anythings possible my friends.

  37. nelson88 says:

    stevezie: striatic, Well the Ducks are betting heavily that the new CBA means a bigger gap between all-stars and everyone else.The theory goes that no more back-diving contracts means you can no longer lower cap-hits, and the big guns will always get their money. Always. So you pay them because you have to, their cap hit is high because it has to be, and the rest of the players feel the squeeze.My personal theory is that everyone will always get their money because desperate managers will always overpay for something they need, because if you really need it it’s not an overpay. If Smid or someone like him can get four million, then you’re screwed if you are already paying your two best forwards a combined 16 million.So we’ll see how it shakes out. Either the CBA changed everything, the Ducks are cutting edge and Smid will be lucky to get even three million, or the CBA changed nothing, the Ducks are cooked, and caphits from the old CBA are still good comparables (Smid gets between 3.4 and 4.5, depending on how stupid you consider GMs.)Now THIS is a “we wait” scenario.

    Great post.

    Unrelated but looked at last nights boxscore and it had Cogs only taking 1 face off. Have they moved him to wing now that Steckel is there? I didn’t mind that trade for the Oilers when it happened. Too bad the ducks 2nd rounder is going to be high 50″s rather than low 30′s. Cogs is having a nice year (good for him) but gets paid $2.4M/year and likely not sustainable at current pace.

  38. nelson88 says:

    According to NHL.com cogs has only taking 15 faceoffs this year after taking 386 last year (42%) so obviously he has moved to the wing.

  39. russ99 says:

    Maybe he’ll get his scoring touch back on the AHL.

    3 points in 18 games isn’t enough secondary scoring out of a checking forward, especially one who’s been in the top 6 and given PP time at times this season.

    Just glad that Paajarvi’s good play and waiver eligibility status clicked at the same time.

  40. godot10 says:

    Henry: I still wonder why they flushed Brodziak the way they did and for so little.Something must have happened because it seemed a stupid trade then and worse now.

    1) Tambellini was starting the rebuild without telling anybody. Or alternatively, too many players on one way contracts, and too close to the cap (for a team still whale hunting).
    2) Lowe and Prendergast favored Pouliot. Lowe and Quinn favored Brule. Katz was breaking bread and making peace with the Comrie’s. Too many players and centres under contract. Somebody would have to be waived and lost for nothing if another centre signed to NHL contract. Brodziak needed a new contract, and had come off a subpar year, and now lacked organizational support, and another team wanted him. So Tambellini traded the player for picks.

    i.e. Events and numbers conspired against making the correct decision. It happens.

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