OILERS AT BLUES G32 (12-13) 26.3.13

I spent the day in Seattle with my wife and we had a wonderful time. About 4pm we got in the car and started heading back to Canada, with Fleetwood Mac on the car stereo. Sang along all the way to the border and into Richmond where my auntie and uncle told me about the tornado. They’d been trying to get through to my Mom and Dad for a long time when we got to their house on Udy road, but everyone must have been doing the same thing and we couldn’t get through.

Early the following morning, I talked to my Mom. She was very upset, my Dad refused to leave the apartment (they lived on the 10th floor at the Village at Southgate) and Mom finally had to go without him. I could hear the strain in her voice, the difficulty she’d gone through and there wasn’t one damn thing I could do about it.

When it comes to feeling helpless, that phone call was the gold standard until the day my wife gave birth to our son (and then two years later, our daughter). Sometimes in life you’re emotionally invested but don’t get a chance to impact the outcome, and sometimes that can be painful.

In our second installment of Steve Tambellini as GM, we have to remember the club was still looking to contend for the playoffs. There was no mention of rebuild, they were spending most of the cap and the idea was to win hockey games. However, between September 2009 and March 2010, the club did nothing to aid the fortunes of the hockey team and by the time the new year (2010) arrived, Darryl Katz had uttered the ‘rebuild’ word.

As galling as it is, the transactions below have to be viewed in such a way. The Oilers were gathering young assets and sending NHL players away. It would become a miserable fact for Oiler fans: the big event of the year was the NHL draft.

  1. March 1, 2010: Oilers trade D Denis Grebeshkov to Nashville for a 2010 2nd rd selection (Curtis Hamilton). Grebeshkov had some health issues that spring and was not able to help the Preds much. He did score 2 points in 2 playoff games for Nashville. Hamilton has been a disappointment, but a 2nd rd pick is a good return for a UFA of Grebeshkov’s calibre.
  2. March 3, 2010: Oilers claim R Ryan Jones off waivers from Nashville. I always thought this was part of the Grebs deal, but either way Jones has been solid for Edmonton since his arrival. His 37 Oiler goals have come from (mostly) the 3rd line, making him very productive from that slot in the order. Although I have my issues with Jones as a player, this is easily Tambellini’s best waiver pickup.
  3. March 3, 2010: Oilers trade Lubomir Visnovsky to Anaheim for D Ryan Whitney and a 6th rd draft pick (D Brandon Davidson). This is maybe the saddest day for me during the ST era, I loved Lubo so much. Whitney was terrific before losing many games and possibly a large portion of his career to injury. Lubo was so much fun for everyone but Pat Quinn. I have been told by enough people to believe that this trade was made by Kevin Lowe to believe it.
  4. March 3, 2010: Oilers trade D Steve Staios to Calgary for D Aaron Johnson and a 3rd rd pick (Travis Ewanyk). Staios had been a strong and loyal soldier for the Oilers, and the club got a pretty nice pick for him. In typical Staios fashion, he worked hard to deliver for his new team. The current Oilers could use a Steve Staios.
  5. June 22, 2010: Oilers elevate Tom Renney to head coach and move Pat Quinn to the mumble mumble department. I think this was one of the better moves during the ST era, Quinn’s Mairzy Doats press conferences were funny and charming but he was not an effective NHL coach in Edmonton.
  6. June 23, 2010: Oilers trade 2010 6th rd pick (Mirko Hoefflin) to Chicago for C Colin Fraser.  This trade worked out pretty well, as the Oilers cashed in with a productive 4line C for very little cost. Injuries would impact his Oiler career.
  7. June 26, 2010: Oilers trade C Riley Nash to Carolina for 46th overall selection (Martin Marincin). Nash took his time arriving in the NHL and is not yet established in the league (but has played 16 games and has 6 points this season). Marincin is progressing but will take some time. I don’t think there’s a clear winner at this time, and the positions (center-defense) are both important.
  8. June 28, 2010: Oilers do not tender offers to Marc Pouliot, Colin McDonald, Ryan Potulny, Bryan Lerg, Geoff Paukovich and Slava Trukhno. Edmonton’s depth would become an issue in the ensuing months and years, and late June 2010 saw the club offload a large number of young players. McDonald has emerged as an NHL player, while Pouliot and Potulny played in the NHL after leaving Edmonton.
  9. June 29, 2010: Oilers place Ethan Moreau, Patrick O’Sullivan and Robert Nilsson on waivers. Oilers further cleaned house with these moves, although Moreau was collected by Columbus and the club ended up dealing O’Sullivan to Phoenix for Jim Vandermeer. Either way, the team once again flushed players who had at least played in the NHL for nothing.
  10. July 1, 2010: Oilers sign D Kurtis Foster to a 2-year, $3.6M contract. It didn’t work out, but this signing looked good at the time and did address need.. Foster had played in ideal circumstances in the previous season and delivered, and his performance in Edmonton did not follow for various reasons.

The Oilers flushed many veterans and untold prospects and young pro’s, then installed a new coach and gave him Colin Fraser and Kurtis Foster. Only the Russians did scorched earth better. Up next, the rebuild’s biggest story.

ABOUT LAST NIGHT

  • Coach Krueger“Our five on five game just didn’t have enough passion to match what Nashville was coming with. It’s not enough to play in Nashville for 20 minutes. You have to come here and play 60 minutes. We didn’t do that and it’s a painful result.”

I’ve been very supportive of coach Krueger this season, for me he’s done a fine job of sussing out the roster and finding out who can play. Among his biggest positives are finding a role for Paajarvi, patience with the struggling Nuge, finding a second scoring line (which would have come anyway but this one looks very good) and using his entire roster.

However, the 4th line has been playing too much the entire season. Part of the problem with Eager and Brown and Petrell are playing too many even strength minutes. Especially last night, when getting a point was so vital. If there was ever a time to shorten the bench this is it. The Oilers need to ride the following players until they drop: Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Gagner, Yakupov, Paajarvi, Hemsky, Horcoff, Schultz the younger, Petry, Smid and Dubnyk. Starting now.

DEKEYSER SOZE?


The Oilers are apparently locked and loaded on Dan DeKeyser, the organization spending a lot of assets and brain power on wooing him to the great white north. Is anyone spending time working on a Ladislav Smid contract? Just asking. One hopes the Oilers can gather in DeKeyser, but that probably means two rookies (Soze and Klefbom) for 2013-14.

Are you all ready for this?

monroe

Some talk in the previous thread about the offense being poor among the Oilers top 6F’s. I honestly don’t see it. Gagner and Hall are having career seasons, Eberle has stepped back but is on par with what we established as reasonable back in the fall. Hemsky, J Schultz and Yakupov are contributing and Horcoff has 5 goals in 14 games. Magnus Paajarvi is having a comeback season, really all but the Nuge among the heart of the order are doing fine.

The Kids are Alright, folks.

 

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  1. delooper says:

    VanOil,

    Right now maybe only RNH, Shultz, Hall and Eberle can?

  2. Lucinius says:

    Hrm. Hockeystreams buffering like crazy for me now. My internet seems to have melted down at the prospect of a Oilers win.

  3. VanOil says:

    delooper:
    VanOil,

    Right now maybe only RNH, Shultz, Hall and Eberle can?

    Paajarvi and Gagner were also giving it a go

  4. Lucinius says:

    And really, Krueger goes with Horcoff and Smyth 4v4? Not even Horcoff with Hemsky?

  5. hunter1909 says:

    MPS makes one nice play after another.

  6. Rebilled says:

    I wonder what % of the time Smyth has one hand on his stick vs. two.

  7. jake70 says:

    Hall needs to get his stick up when there is incomming.

  8. Henry says:

    That old goalie fart is really feeling it.

  9. jake70 says:

    Blues are running around , holy.

  10. Lucinius says:

    jake70,

    Really? I’m missing the Oilers not suck? No wonder my internet seems to be struggling to buffer the game; the incredulity of it all requires more bandwidth.

  11. jake70 says:

    Lucinius:
    jake70,

    Really? I’m missing the Oilers not suck? No wonder my internet seems to be struggling to buffer the game; the incredulity of it all requires more bandwidth.

    Running around = head hunting. fyi

  12. Lucinius says:

    jake70,

    Figures. I see you post this and my internet starts streaming the game fine.

  13. Bos8 says:

    First row sport.eu

  14. Lucinius says:

    Bos8,

    I paid to have the HQ streams from Hockey Streams. Almost always works. And tonight its my internet more than them. I really like the site and 365 days for $90 was well worth it.

  15. hunter1909 says:

    I’m enjoying this so much I just opened a bottle of 10 year old single malt scotch.
    :)

  16. Rondo says:

    Lucinius,

    Try Lemon TV

  17. hunter1909 says:

    Wtf’s with Potter?

    Making good plays?

    Huh?

  18. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lucinius:
    jake70,

    Really? I’m missing the Oilers not suck? No wonder my internet seems to be struggling to buffer the game; the incredulity of it all requires more bandwidth.

    Oh they’re sucking, don’t worry.

    It’s just that St. Louis’ goaltending sucks more, and Khabi’s having a stellar game.

    The on-ice product is about what you’d expect (good first line and then …)

  19. Lucinius says:

    Hemsky :(

  20. Lucinius says:

    Nice game by Khabbi, indeed.

  21. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are in deep shit. Blue’s are going to talk about killing them for the intermission, then come out and try to do it. Look for major injuries, entitled ones.

    PS: took a measure of the malt. Yikes. I’ll have another, just to make sure. note, if any of you ever occasionally end up in hospital ER like I do, remember to try to have a bottle of single malt at home, when you return at 5am.

  22. delooper says:

    The game isn’t out of reach for St. Louis. They’ve been playing pretty well. It looks like the Oilers benefitted by being underestimated… again.

  23. Rebilled says:

    hunter1909,

    I’m enjoying it so much that I’m not gonna stop watching after the 2nd!

  24. jake70 says:

    Lucinius:
    Nice game by Khabbi, indeed.

    worth a 2nd rounder maybe… ;-)

  25. Lowetide says:

    Oilers ended that period like they were leaking.

  26. BlacqueJacque says:

    jake70: worth a 2nd rounder maybe…

    Right now St. Louis would consider a first! (I’m exaggerating, but still)

  27. Woodguy says:

    Just caught up on the PVR.

    Nice to see RK read the thread and put 4-93-14 back together.

    This game is an excellent example of two solid hockey fundamentals.

    1) Goaltending is everything

    2) Results vary wildly in small samples

    Should be a full seige in the 3rd with boiling oil, horses, and capapults.

  28. hunter1909 says:

    Why do Nashville and St Louis both have NHL broadcasts that don’t make me feel ashamed to be watching?

  29. Lucinius says:

    Sportsnet trying to flog their version of the trade deadline theatre is.. embarrassing.

  30. hunter1909 says:

    Don’t you hate these wasted games, where the oilers fuck everything up for the management big picture?

  31. Lowetide says:

    Khabibulin looks all world tonight. If I’m an NHL team in need of a backup, do I take the risk? Probably cost a 4th rder?

  32. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lucinius:
    Sportsnet trying to flog their version of the trade deadline theatre is.. embarrassing.

    Oh God, the three+ year old skit with Nick Kypreos attached to some sort of computer or something? As if everybody doesn’t think to themselves “really? Presenting Kypreos as some sort of genius?”

    Or the one about having the sharpest minds in hockey on the panel, but showcasing the likes of MacLean and Keenan? It’s hard not to double over in agony from laughter.

  33. cabbiesmacker says:

    hunter1909:

    Do yourself a favour and make your next bottle a 12 year Dalwhinnie. I drank a lot of scotch in my time and that was the best bang for the buck. Any of the Highlands versions really. Balvenie and Cardhu are right there as well.

    I do feel for those that drink Islay’s and actually think they’ve enjoyed a good scotch. Lagavulin and Laphroaig are absolute horsepiss. Shouldn’t be allowed to call themselves scotches at all

  34. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide,

    Probably a 1st, ala 2006 Roloson. Tambellini might be a fool, but he’s got a helluva shrewd reputation just the same.

  35. Lowetide says:

    And now…..the BITTER TRUTH…….

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 10s

    Chances after 40 min: 6-12; 0-3 ST

  36. VanOil says:

    hunter1909:
    Why do Nashville and St Louis both have NHL broadcasts that don’t make me feel ashamed to be watching?

    Good question, I do not have an answer but agree. I also have decided to follow your lead an fortify my self with drink for the third period onslaught.

  37. Derek says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH

    Chances after 40 min: 6-12; 0-3 ST

    Edit: Beaten.

  38. regwald says:

    Lowetide:
    Khabibulin looks all world tonight. If I’m an NHL team in need of a backup, do I take the risk? Probably cost a 4th rder?

    But, but, but MacLean said a 2nd rounder yesterday … lol

  39. BlacqueJacque says:

    4-93-14 have less ice time than Horcoff, Petrell, or Smyth according to NHL.com …

  40. VanOil says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    I always cheer for Kypreos to get an electro shock therapy during that skit and am always disappointed.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    VanOil: Good question, I do not have an answer but agree. I also have decided to follow your lead an fortify my self with drink for the third period onslaught.

    I hear Dan Tencer’s the great grandson of Pat and Jean O’hara, from the CFRN iconic tv show Kidz Bidz.

  42. Smarmy says:

    Lowetide:
    Khabibulin looks all world tonight. If I’m an NHL team in need of a backup, do I take the risk? Probably cost a 4th rder?

    No reason not to. I wonder if the contemporary Lowe could do a Salo for Gilbert with Khabibulin?

    hahaha

  43. Lucinius says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    THe one where they have a bunch of players saying they watch Sportsnet, or learned of their trade from Kypreos.

    ‘If its what the players watch, why shouldn’t you!?’ basically.

    My answer, of course, would be; “because your panel is full of annoying, prattling know-nothings”. I mean, hell, they broke trades one year going off of TSN’s coverage.. except they were breaking trades based on the flashback portions of the TSN coverage of the year prior.

  44. BlacqueJacque says:

    hunter1909: I hear Dan Tencer’s the great grandson of Pat and Jean O’hara, from the CFRN iconic tv show Kidz Bidz.

    If only I had a time machine…

  45. hunter1909 says:

    Heyyyy whatever happened to Taresenko, guaranteed 2 week into the season Calder front runner rass…

  46. OilLeak says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    4-93-14 have less ice time than Horcoff, Petrell, or Smyth according to NHL.com …

    Horcoff I understand, Petrell must be getting shopped, right? please?

  47. Lucinius says:

    hunter1909,

    Concussion. Side-lined him for a bit.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    If you can solemnly swear Dan Tencer’s going back forever in it, I might be able to help.

  49. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lucinius,

    I know, right?! Or the year they had the Great Fraud speak from behind a blacked out image and voice modulator and get everything wrong? Sportsnet is so full of fail.

    Except for Gene. He’s so bad, he’s good.

  50. hunter1909 says:

    Lucinius: Concussion. Side-lined him for a bit.

    That’s why you draft Ukrainian farm boys and Scots/Irish Canadian peasants. Never heard Bobby Orr whine about headaches.

  51. BlacqueJacque says:

    hunter1909: That’s why you draft Ukrainian farm boys and Scots/Irish Canadian peasants. Never heard Bobby Orr whine about headaches.

    *something something my knee … itches?*

  52. Lucinius says:

    hunter1909,

    A friend of mine says the only Russians who get concussions are the ones who don’t drink vodka enough. He’s Russian and an alcoholic, though.

  53. VanOil says:

    Lucinius:
    hunter1909,

    Concussion. Side-lined him for a bit.

    Much like the Belanger triangle bit Yak. Both are like getting knocked on the head.

  54. Lucinius says:

    VanOil,

    One of the two, however, is more likely to end a career.

    And its not the concussion.

  55. Lucinius says:

    They refuse to give us a powerplay.

  56. jake70 says:

    Lucinius:
    hunter1909,

    A friend of mine says the only Russians who get concussions are the ones who don’t drink vodka enough. He’s Russian and an alcoholic, though.

    visions of Boris Yeltsin doing his 2-step years ago….lol

  57. BlacqueJacque says:

    I love the way Nuge steals the puck.

  58. Smarmy says:

    This is painful to watch. Almost as painful as listening to the Blades trying to participate in playoff hockey.

  59. delooper says:

    Man, this is a hockey game.

  60. BlacqueJacque says:

    Paajarvi had an amazing little shift.

    Shots… 12-35.

  61. jake70 says:

    Was that MPS cutting to the middle on a rush?….woohoo….he’s got it by George.

  62. Rebilled says:

    Great move by 91. Very fast. Froze everyone.

  63. Lucinius says:

    Paajarvi’s looked good again.

    Just before that last shift by him, however, we got to see Smyth fail horribly at getting the puck out. Has more than enough room to skate it out.. so what does he do? Moves towards the boards and tries to push it out.. right to a Blues’ player.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    Lucinius: He’s Russian and an alcoholic, though.

    Needless verbiege. Next time write: “He’s Russian”.

  65. Lucinius says:

    hunter1909: Needless verbiege. Next time write: “He’s Russian”.

    Nonsense. Not all Russians are alcoholics. Some use glue, bath salts or drugs instead.

  66. BlacqueJacque says:

    How in the world is that not interference?

  67. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lucinius: Nonsense. Not all Russians are alcoholics. Some use glue, bath salts or drugs instead.

    Real Russians use krokodil.

  68. jake70 says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    How in the world is that not interference?

    Which one of the 5 non-calls so far are you referring to?

  69. delooper says:

    Lucinius: Nonsense. Not all Russians are alcoholics. Some use glue, bath salts or drugs instead.

    Photocopy fluid and propane!

  70. hunter1909 says:

    Imagine the uproar if Tambellini hadn’t signed Hall/Eberle to those contracts.

    I like Scotch. Woodguy is in need of medical attention, due to a strange prediliction for Irish “whiskey”. if his name is Darcy I guess it’s understandable.

  71. delooper says:

    Whitney beat a guy to the puck! It’s a sign from the gods!

  72. BlacqueJacque says:

    Jesus Smyth almost shot that puck into Magnus’ face as he was being hauled down to the boards by a Blue.

  73. hunter1909 says:

    Upon seeing “montesanto” ADS on the St Louis boards, one is reminded of the DOW Chemical Company, who issued similar products, in their day.

    Khabibulin offering NHL GM’s fool’s gold, playoff style.

    Alright I’m having another one.

  74. Lucinius says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    I think that was Hemsky, actually, considering Smyth wasn’t on the ice.

  75. godot10 says:

    Note: Khabibulin won the Stanley Cup the last two times he was in a contract year.

    Does the postman ring three times?

  76. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lucinius,

    Oh maybe, I guess I misheard.

  77. Zelepukin says:

    wow, Whitney is terrible.

  78. Lucinius says:

    Zelepukin,

    He doesn’t even throw his own hits now.

  79. BlacqueJacque says:

    Once again the Oilers play only 20 minutes in a game, but this time they get lucky in the other 40 minutes.

    #firelowe

  80. Henry says:

    Just a terrific game from the Nuge tonight. Even if they are bigger or have numbers, the Blues can’t get much of anything against him.

  81. VanOil says:

    How are Whitney and Potter out there to close out the game?

  82. Smarmy says:

    Khabby owned this game pretty hard. Good for him.

  83. hunter1909 says:

    Those fools think they’ve accomplished something.

  84. Rebilled says:

    Hall looks a little hurt.

  85. delooper says:

    VanOil:
    How are Whitney and Potter out there to close out the game?

    In a game where Khabibulin is this strong, it doesn’t matter who or how the other Oilers play.

  86. icecastles says:

    So are we in the playoffs now?

  87. Lowetide says:

    Top line was splendid, Khabibulin was exceptional and there were some nice performances in there (Paajarvi I thought played quite well).

  88. Lucinius says:

    Well, we won the game.

    But boy did we play second fiddle to the Blues. Bulin Wall may be crumbling, but still managed a fantastic game.

    West is pretty tight, points wise. Any number of teams could go on a winning streak and make a serious move up the standings.

  89. Zelepukin says:

    lets hope that we can make up our mind about whether we’re going to win or lose games cause 9th gets us jack shit.

  90. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Top line was splendid, Khabibulin was exceptional and there were some nice performances in there (Paajarvi I thought played quite well).

    Yeah, I know I’m feeling pretty vindicated right now…

    Kids actually outscore the opposition at EVs and we win despite the 4th line earning more minutes than they have in any other game this season…

    Who knew?

    I mean besides me and Freedom and about two other posters.

    Oh, and Jason Gregor too.

  91. Genjutsu says:

    The price for rentals is going to very steep indeed.

    Douglas Murray cost two second rounders?!?

  92. spoiler says:

    Blades vs Tigers on Shaw 304.

    Says HD, but I think they mean “Etch-a Sketch HD”.

  93. Woodguy says:

    spoiler,

    Yeah, I know I’m feeling pretty vindicated right now…

    You said the kids can’t out score.

    The response was they out chance and had bad SH%.

    Vindication from what?

  94. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 2m

    “We knew it was a huge two points for us, especially after what happened last night. We battled from start to finish.” – RNH

  95. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Top line was splendid, Khabibulin was exceptional and there were some nice performances in there (Paajarvi I thought played quite well).

    NIk putting up a .927 in 5 starts and 1 relief appearance.

    Should be good for 3-4 more games before its IR time again.

    Won’t get all those in before the deadline.

    Someone might bite….who knows?

  96. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1m

    “That was vintage Nuge behind the back, and Hallsy on the other one.” – Eberle praises linemates for setting up his two goals

  97. BlacqueJacque says:

    spoiler,

    You knew what? To play the 4th line more and rest of the first line more?

    Or that the Blues should start Jake Allen so he can let in 3 of 7? :)

  98. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1m

    “Khabi played great and we played hard. I don’t think I’ve ever been hit so many times. It was a physical game.” – Hall

  99. Woodguy says:

    With CAL looking like they will lose and PHI losing the Oilers get closer to Lazar-reach territory and further from Barkov/Monahan territory.

  100. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: Someone might bite….who knows?

    Management’s been so impressed with Khabi’s work effort of late they’re offering him a 3 year, 4 million a year contract.

  101. spoiler says:

    Considering how badly they were outshot tonight, how often Khabby bailed them out, and how far they are out of a playoff spot, the bench looked a little jocular tonight. Not to take any joy out of one of their few wins, but it is still a little disturbing. And Krueger looked ot be in the midst of it. I don’t like to read too much into such things (maybe Steve Smith farted funny or something), but I would like to see a little intensity.

  102. BlacqueJacque says:

    Woodguy:
    With CAL looking like they will lose and PHI losing the Oilers get closer to Lazar-reach territory and further from Barkov/Monahan territory.

    *shrug*

    We have to get out of the basement sooner or later. And it’s unlikely to go from 28th to 15th overall in a single season.

    As bad as the Oilers are, they’re not as bad as they were last year, and other teams are getting worse than they were.

  103. oilersfan says:

    Last night i made a post arguing that eberle is a very good complementary player who disappears without Hall, and that the Oilers paid him 1-1.5 million too much. I stand by that point today. If anything to ights game makes my point for me. Without Hall eberle does very little with him, he shows his high end finishing skills. Hall drives the play opens up some ice and eberle finishes off some of the multitude of chances Hall creates.

    If yak ever starts to drive the play like Hall we could have two very good lines.

  104. hags9k says:

    He’s old and oft injured and he shouldn’t be the #1 goalie anymore, but if the cup finals started tomorrow I’d take Khabibulin over Dubnyk without a half second of hesitation.

    He no longer reliable but he’s a fast, fast, car. (especially in Arizona!) Wish he was 28….sigh

  105. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    With CAL looking like they will lose and PHI losing the Oilers get closer to Lazar-reach territory and further from Barkov/Monahan territory.

    Oilers move ahead of PHX tonight, I’m kind of sorry the Coyotes are all the way down here.

  106. Lowetide says:

    Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe 2m

    “They seemed pretty grumpy.Their reaction to not scoring was trying to get stuff started after the play.We didn’t get involved in that”Hall

  107. Smarmy says:

    oilersfan:
    Last night i made a post arguing that eberle is a very good complementary player who disappears without Hall, and that the Oilers paid him 1-1.5 million too much. I stand by that point today. If anything to ights game makes my point for me. Without Hall eberle does very little with him, he shows his high end finishing skills. Hall drives the play opens up some ice and eberle finishes off some of the multitude of chances Hall creates.

    If yak ever starts to drive the play like Hall we could have two very good lines.

    The hardest thing to do in hockey is score goals. It’s also a team game and if Eberle needs his linemates to score it doesn’t matter. He can score that’s proven even in a downish season like this.

  108. Ribs says:

    VanOil:
    How are Whitney and Potter out there to close out the game?

    I like to call that the Krueger Special.

  109. Lowetide says:

    The thing about Eberle is that he had a really strong season and we as fans assumed it was going to go on forever. What’s worse, the Oilers decided to pay him like he would, and now people are going to turn on the guy just like they did with Horcoff.

    Crazy days.

  110. delooper says:

    Smarmy: The hardest thing to do in hockey is score goals. It’s also a team game and if Eberle needs his linemates to score it doesn’t matter. He can score that’s proven even in a downish season like this.

    No way is that true. Dave Semenko was a goal scorer while on Gretzky’s line. He was not a goal scorer in any other situation in his professional hockey life. A cinderblock could have been a 10+ goal scorer playing with Gretzky.

  111. Smarmy says:

    I still think Eberle will be a perennial 30 goal guy with a 40 goal season or two in him. But I’ve been watching him for years so I’m a softie for him.

  112. Smarmy says:

    delooper,

    Semenko isn’t comparable to Eberle in any way, shape or form. Neither are the eras in which they play but good strawman I guess.

  113. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    With CAL looking like they will lose and PHI losing the Oilers get closer to Lazar-reach territory and further from Barkov/Monahan territory.

    Hopefully PHI makes a big reach move that pans out at the deadline. Top a top 5 pick will hopefully keep the Oilers away from a reach around pick.

  114. Ducey says:

    Nice to see the Oilers play a good third period. Lots of back checking and smart plays. Maybe a small step in learning to play with a lead.

    They should bench Bulin until they trade him. Nothing good can happen from him playing again.

    Either he stinks in his next start and loses all his new found value, or he plays well, the Oilers win (worsening their draft position) and Tambo signs him for another two years.

  115. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909: Management’s been so impressed with Khabi’s work effort of late they’re offering him a 3 year, 4 million a year contract.

    Noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  116. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Oilers move ahead of PHX tonight, I’m kind of sorry the Coyotes are all the way down here.

    They are like the Oilers of 08/09.

    Good D and no one to pass it to.

  117. speeds says:

    RE: bonuses:

    Bonuses count against the cap. The change in this CBA is that they don’t count against the floor.

    Teams are allowed to spend over the cap by either the amount of their bonuses, or the bonus overage limit, whichever is lower. If it turns out the team spent more than the cap in cap charges (which includes bonuses earned, not the potential bonus amount cap charge that teams carry against the cap throughout the year) those bonuses are applied against the cap the following season.

    However, in the case of the Oilers, who are one of the few (only? I haven’t looked if this applies to any other teams) teams that have more bonuses than bonus overage room, it would be more difficult to get into cap problems the following season.

    LT had a quote from me earlier in this thread, here’s the link to the comment going through why the Oilers have a bit less concern with the potential bonus overage penalties than other teams might:

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/03/oilers-at-blues-g32-12-13-26-3-13.html/comment-page-1#comment-217319

  118. Woodguy says:

    Ducey:
    Nice to see the Oilers play a good third period.Lots of back checking and smart plays. Maybe a small step in learning to play with a lead.

    They should bench Bulin until they trade him.Nothing good can happen from him playing again.

    Either he stinks in his next start and loses all his new found value, or he plays well, the Oilers win (worsening their draft position) and Tambo signs him for another two years.

    I thought the D skated it out more than usual and didn’t panic pass as much.

    STL still outplayed them, but not by what I expected.

  119. FPB94 says:

    The 80′s oilers will never be really relevant in comparison because they were unique and shaped by the greatest hockey player ever.

  120. Woodguy says:

    speeds:
    RE: bonuses:

    Bonuses count against the cap.The change in this CBA is that they don’t count against the floor.

    Teams are allowed to spend over the cap by either the amount of their bonuses, or the bonus overage limit, whichever is lower.If it turns out the team spent more than the cap in cap charges (which includes bonuses earned, not the potential bonus amount cap charge that teams carry against the cap throughout the year) those bonuses are applied against the cap the following season.LT had a quote from me earlier in this thread, here’s the link to the comment going through why the Oilers have a bit less concern with the potential bonus overage penalties than other teams might:

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/03/oilers-at-blues-g32-12-13-26-3-13.html/comment-page-1#comment-217319

    However, in the case of the Oilers, who are one of the few (only? I haven’t looked if this applies to any other teams) teams that have more bonuses than bonus overage room, it would be more difficult to get into cap problems the following season.

    (Copied from earlier in the thread)

    The maximum bonus overage allowed is ~4.8 mil, while EDM has ~8.5mil in bonuses tied up in their 3 ELC players. That means that even if they maxed out their bonus overage, they’d only start losing cap space in the 14/15 season if those 3 players earned more than 3.7 mil in bonuses To do that, one of the players would need to be earning his “B” bonuses which is pretty rare, for 2 or all 3 to do it would be extremely unlikely. And that’s ignoring that EDM probably wouldn’t be looking to max out their overage usage to begin with. But going 2 mil over the cap is a lower risk proposition.

    Thanks Speeds.

    So they can effectively take $4.8MM off the cap amounts.

    Doubtful that even $4.8MM of the bonuses get paid out anyhow.

  121. delooper says:

    Smarmy:
    delooper,

    Semenko isn’t comparable to Eberle in any way, shape or form. Neither are the eras in which they play but good strawman I guess.

    I did not compare Eberle and Semenko, that was your doing. Similarly I did not compare eras, that’s your imagination. What I did is refute the statement that goal scoring is the most difficult part of the game. There’s no way in which that statement is true. At any time, the most difficult part of the game can be all kinds of things, and rarely is it any one thing. If it was one task, hockey would be simple. I just can’t stand such simplistic statements.

  122. danny says:

    Jordan Eberle has 1 more goal than Taylor Hall, 3 more points than Ales Hemsky. Hes been playing with an injury.

    I wouldn’t anoint him a dirty Russian just yet.

  123. FPB94 says:

    I guess this is just a bunch of guys playing well, but under people’s expectation.

    Heh. The problem is still defense/bottom 6.

    RNH and Horcoff never get shit, some guys do. It’s like a lottery.

  124. Lowetide says:

    “They have an amazing synergy. They just seem to find each other.” – Coach Krueger on reunited line of Hall, Eberle & RNH

  125. oilersfan says:

    I guess the point i am trying to make is eberle is verygood. A helluva finisher. But since he doesnt drive the play and needs hall to do that for him, eberle is the comentary one and should be paid less. I dont want him traded just frustrated they chose to sign him after a career yeara d some insane percentages. Like they are about to do with gagner even though they could have signed him for a million or two les a year ago.

  126. danny says:

    FPB94,

    Yeah its difficult to understand the narrative sometimes. Hemsky has been terrible a lot during his time here and hes always been given the show of support. Nobody batted an eyelash at his $5M contract. Eberle just seems to have fallen on the other side of the fan ledger somehow.

  127. VanOil says:

    danny:
    Jordan Eberle has 1 more goal than Taylor Hall, 3 more points than Ales Hemsky. Hes been playing with an injury.

    I wouldn’t anoint him a dirty Russian just yet.

    Agreed. Both have had hand injuries this year. One uses his to score the other is as likely to score with his ass. I don’t believe Eberle is a over pay. I do believe if he stays healthy Hall is an underpay. (See Getzalf, who do you think will average out as the better player over the next 6 years)

    These deals rank as some of the least poor decisions Tambo the Terrible has made.

  128. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 17m

    “This was truly a start to finish line kind of game from a battle level. It was our most complete game of the year.” – Krueger

    I don’t agree with that statement.

  129. Lois Lowe says:

    Synergy is the worst word in the history of ever.

  130. VanOil says:

    Lowetide:
    “They have an amazing synergy. They just seem to find each other.” – Coach Krueger on reunited line of Hall, Eberle & RNH

    I hope this is not a new revelation for RK.

  131. speeds says:

    Woodguy: Thanks Speeds.

    So they can effectively take $4.8MM off the cap amounts.

    Doubtful that even $4.8MM of the bonuses get paid out anyhow.

    I think that might be a little bit simplistic, just because of injuries they would likely want more wiggle room than that.

  132. VanOil says:

    Lowetide:
    I don’t agree with that statement.

    Agreed disagreement. My pick the ‘Dallas Beat Down’ just trumps the ‘Avalanche Shooting Gallery’. Both were followed up with stinkers so the next one might be brutal.

  133. DenverOilFan says:

    Could it be that the other 3 lines didn’t contribute offensively because they didn’t need to, and their mandate was to just hold down the fort, stay the course, keep shots to the outside, dump and chase and keep the infidels to under 50 shots on the night? Really? Really.

  134. VanOil says:

    speeds,

    Yes, thanks for the info Speeds. Can we safely assume that the Oilers could out spend the cap by about 3.5M given there bonus overages and the likely increase the following year. You know just call the 3.5M a Smid for ease of use!

  135. Ducey says:

    danny:
    FPB94,

    Yeah its difficult to understand the narrative sometimes.Hemsky has been terrible a lot during his time here and hes always been given the show of support.Nobody batted an eyelash at his $5M contract. Eberle just seems to have fallen on the other side of the fan ledger somehow.

    It seems that the average fan always needs to have few scapegoats. Horcoff was the guy for a long time. That has dropped of sharply this year after his triumphant return. Then it was “they are two small”. It is often Potter. I don’t think Eberle will be a goat for long (I am not sure has been).

    Things are a changing.The sense I get is that joe fan is starting to follow Woodguy*, pitch fork in hand, to blame managment.

    That could all change if they sign the big college guy, make a few shrewd moves at the deadline and have a good draft. But the pressure is definitely on.

    *just kidding

  136. Henry says:

    Woodguy: Noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My nightmare has Khabbi traded to Toronto then getting hot and taking the Leafs to the finals.

  137. icecastles says:

    delooper: I did not compare Eberle and Semenko, that was your doing. Similarly I did not compare eras, that’s your imagination.

    You probably didn’t *mean* to compare these things, but you most certainly did. You tried to make a point that was entirely contingent on factors that (and you seem to agree) are so outside the focus of your argument that they render it fatally flawed. Your analogy was a terrible one: pick a better comparison and people won’t call you out for it.

  138. geowal says:

    Lowetide,

    He didn’t have ‘a’ strong season, he had 2 strong seasons, strong junior, strong world junior, ahl, etc. While all, or most, accept his shooting % will have its ups and downs, this year being a downer, I don’t see any reason to assume this represents a normal year for him. I fully expect an average Eberle year to be better, everything suggests this is an outlier on %, which is fine, those will happen.

    All other players around here seem to get the benefit of the doubt that they will still improve their game. Eberle doesn’t seem to, I don’t know if that’s just bias against his lesser pedigree or what, but I think it’s silly nonetheless. He’s a smart kid, he’ll get stronger, make adjustments, next year have stronger numbers. Just as nuge will. And Gagner already has.

  139. GordM says:

    Whoever described Khabby as a race car (in Edmonton no less) is spot on. Expensive, breaks down often, but can be spectacular for short periods of time when the conditions are good.

    Payback:
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2005021161

  140. pboy says:

    Lordy, the Oilers need some big bodied pricks in the line-up. They just don’t have it in them to really push back physically. Once the Blues started to run around, the Oilers were just hoping to leave their alive.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Synergy is the worst word in the history of ever.

    Yes. Also “dovetail over the piece” should be shot and pissed upon.

  142. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    “They have an amazing synergy. They just seem to find each other.” – Coach Krueger on reunited line of Hall, Eberle & RNH

    Praise the Lord, Ralph saw the Light!

  143. FPB94 says:

    Lol @ Dylan Mcilrath and Derek Forbort. I guess the Oilers dodged two bullets.

    Can’t believe he passed Fowler. Will always impress me how teams will be willing to ignore actual hockey skills over size and PIM’s.

  144. Zelepukin says:

    Ducey: It seems that the average fan always needs to have few scapegoats. Horcoff was the guy for a long time. That has dropped of sharply this year after his triumphant return. Then it was “they are two small”. It is often Potter. I don’t think Eberle will be a goat for long (I am not sure has been).

    It’s really just the few trolls who like to constantly suggest trading Ebs because he isn’t in the top 20 scoring this season. If you’ve watched any decent amount of Ebs over the past 4 years going back to Junior/World Jrs, you know what his worth is and any suggestion of trading him because of his stats in 30 games is hilarious.

  145. Lowetide says:

    Folks, I’ve had to delete about 20 posts tonight, can we please keep the personal stuff out of this? Thanks.

  146. stevezie says:

    Zelepukin:
    lets hope that we can make up our mind about whether we’re going to win or lose games cause 9th gets us jack shit.

    It gets us meaningful games and a competitive atmosphere. I’d rather Barkov than Lazar too but the time to lose on purpose is passed.

    I’d rather draft tenth than fifth because it is time for this team to start winning.

  147. Ice Sage says:

    Is it my delusion or does this team play fairly well when things are the bleakest? RK’s motivationology probably at its strongest then…
    I was on a team like this once – our motto was “We’re shitty, so no pressure!” Worked for a while

  148. oilersfan says:

    I have seen one comment suggesting the oilers should trade eberle… And that suggestion was for if the oilers could get a top three overall pick for him. I have made three comments that eberle is more of a complementary player that needs a star who drives the play so he can finish the scoring chances. I clarified my comments by saying that i like him and want to keep him. My only frustration is that i think his next contract is an overpay. I dont see where there has been any eberle bashing here. Just a comment that appears obvious to me… He can finish the play, which is very important, but he badly needs somebody else to carry it. How are these comments bashing eberle?

  149. BONVIE says:

    oilersfan,

    The Oilers future is pretty dim if he will have his career year as 21 year old, on a bad team that finished 2nd last in the league.

    I guess they probably said the same thing about #99 when he signed his contract for a million a year…might of been a bit younger though. The smart guys probably knew Peter the Pocklington was grossly overpaying him, knowing he would never be able to reach those lofty numbers again after a careeer year.

  150. spoiler says:

    Prior to tonight’s game, the top 6 was collectively -32. If we flip Paajarvi and Yak like it has been for the past 6-7 games, it drops to -22. If we flip Horc and Gagner, like it has been for about the same time then we’re down to -17.

    The top 2 Dmen in minutes are -15. Throw in the other offensive defenseman and they drop to -24.

    The offensive talent on this team is getting WELL out-scored at even strength. Since they have the most ice time, and the most ability to score themselves, this is having a far bigger effect on the W-L record than anything the 4th line does.

    10-11 goals more would bring the top 6 around about even… a saw off… in which case I agree, move heaven and earth to find a way to out-score at the bottom of the roster.

    But when there’s no way for the bottom of the roster to overcome the big differential at the top of the roster, considering the minutes and the talent involved, I would much rather Tambo keep his powder dry and try and maximize his assets at the deadline.

    Nor do I think that having a revolving door of strangers who aren’t more than marginally better than the status quo and need a learning curve with respect to linemates and systems, is a great idea either… when such possible marginal improvements (and risking the opposite) aren’t going to effect the outcome of the season.

  151. Ducey says:

    So Kipper won’t report if traded and Iginla wants another year to waive his NTC?

    Over to you Mr Feaster.

  152. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    spoiler,

    Yeah, I know I’m feeling pretty vindicated right now…

    You said the kids can’t out score.

    The response was they out chance and had bad SH%.

    Vindication from what?

    Never said “can’t”. Said hadn’t over the course of the season. I’m real kind of surprised you thought I said “can’t”. As in it couldn’t ever happen in any given game. Cause whoever said that would have to be some kind of stupid.

    And I’ve been going on about their SH% for at least two weeks. At least. Nuge’s, waaaay longer.

    Vindicated as in wins and success come from the top of the roster out-scoring, not from marginal improvement to the 4th line, who have the least effect on outcomes. As in tonight’s game.

  153. BONVIE says:

    spoiler: Never said “can’t”.Said hadn’t over the course of the season. I’m real kind of surprised you thought I said “can’t”.As in it couldn’t ever happen in any given game.Cause whoever said that would have to be some kind of stupid.

    And I’ve been going on about their SH% for at least two weeks. At least.Nuge’s, waaaay longer.

    Vindicated as in wins and success comes from the top of the roster out-scoring, not from marginal improvement to the 4th line, who has the least effect on outcomes. As in tonight’s game.

    This is all so true. There is no like button for this comment unfortunately.

  154. DeadmanWaking says:

    spoiler: But when there’s no way for the bottom of the roster to overcome the big differential at the top of the roster, considering the minutes and the talent involved, I would much rather Tambo keep his powder dry and try and maximize his assets at the deadline.

    If only it were that simple. Take score effects. A team losing by a goal or two in the 3rd is forced to open up: if no further goals are scored, you’re gonna lose. When you open up the game you increase the likelihood that your opponent scores the next goal, but you take this in exchange for decreasing the likelihood that the game ends with the score unchanged (which sucks for you). It’s pretty obvious when pulling your goalie that the other team scores many more goals per 60 than normal. Yet it still makes sense to do this.

    What happens when our bottom six dig us a hole in the first two periods? Our top six gets extra shifts in the 3rd period playing loose trying to get those goals back, with a worse goal differential than if they were closing the game out sitting on any kind of small lead.

    Furthermore, playing with a lead in the 3rd discourages the other team from grinding out a physical game from wire to wire. I’m sure our skill guys would love to spring the counter-attack sitting on a lead. Now if only we had a few more experienced defensemen able to break the cycle …

    A better bottom six or a deeper defense really can shine up your elite skill.

  155. Ice Sage says:

    DeadmanWaking:

    A better bottom six or a deeper defense really can shine up your elite skill.

    That’s an elegant distillation of a month of posts here. Thx

  156. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: It seems that the average fan always needs to have few scapegoats.Horcoff was the guy for a long time.That has dropped of sharply this year after his triumphant return.Then it was “they are two small”. It is often Potter.I don’t think Eberle will be a goat for long (I am not sure has been).

    Things are a changing.The sense I get is that joe fan is starting to follow Woodguy*, pitch fork in hand, to blame managment.

    That could all change if they sign the big college guy, make a few shrewd moves at the deadline and have a good draft.But the pressure is definitely on.

    *just kidding

    They are actually following Terry Jones:

    Terry Jones ‏@sunterryjones
    It reminds everybody the failure here isn’t coaching either. It’s management’s failure to find periphery players to go with the young talent

  157. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Never said “can’t”.Said hadn’t over the course of the season. I’m real kind of surprised you thought I said “can’t”.As in it couldn’t ever happen in any given game.Cause whoever said that would have to be some kind of stupid.

    And I’ve been going on about their SH% for at least two weeks. At least.Nuge’s, waaaay longer.

    Vindicated as in wins and success come from the top of the roster out-scoring, not from marginal improvement to the 4th line, who have the least effect on outcomes. As in tonight’s game.

    Well, that’s not true at all.

    Last night’s game the 4th line was actually the line that outshot their opponents the most.

    Brown and Smyth were the only 2 Oilers in the black on Corsi.

    The 4th didn’t sink the team.

    That’s significant.

  158. Woodguy says:

    danny:
    FPB94,

    Yeah its difficult to understand the narrative sometimes.Hemsky has been terrible a lot during his time here and hes always been given the show of support.Nobody batted an eyelash at his $5M contract. Eberle just seems to have fallen on the other side of the fan ledger somehow.

    Hemsky is a career 0.76pts/gm player.

    No other Oiler player during his time comes close to that.

    Last year was his first “off” production year since 03/04 in terms of pts/gm and he was coming off surgery.

    That kind of record buys a lot of slack.

    Hemsky’s pts/gm over his career:

    02/02 .508
    03/04 .479
    05/06 .950
    06/07 .828
    07/08 .959
    08/09 .917
    09/10 1.00
    10/11 .894
    11/12 .522
    12/13 .581

    Hemsky has been terrible a lot during his time here

    Terrible a lot of his time here?

    When is this “a lot of his time”?

  159. Rocknrolla says:

    For my record they did well

    Appreciate the win!

  160. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Hemsky is a career 0.76pts/gm player.

    No other Oiler player during his time comes close to that.

    Last year was his first “off” production year since 03/04 in terms of pts/gm and he was coming off surgery.

    That kind of record buys a lot of slack.

    Hemsky’s pts/gm over his career:

    02/02 .508
    03/04 .479
    05/06 .950
    06/07 .828
    07/08 .959
    08/09 .917
    09/10 1.00
    10/11 .894
    11/12 .522
    12/13 .581

    Hemsky has been terrible a lot during his time here

    Terrible a lot of his time here?

    When is this “a lot of his time”?

    I took the comment you are responding to as “irony”… but I could be terribly wrong as I often am… It seems I am rarely middlingly wrong.

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 17m

    “This was truly a start to finish line kind of game from a battle level. It was our most complete game of the year.” – Krueger

    I don’t agree with that statement.

    One can only hope that the coach that likes to quote scoring chances wakes up in the morning and shoves a grapefruit in this other guy’s face and says something witty like “how’s your ‘ruby red’ colored glasses now?”

    also this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4R5wZs8cxI

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