OILERS AT PREDATORS G24 (12-13) 8.3.13

The Oilers had their usual in Detroit: a large humble pie with a giant Cleveland Steamer as a chaser. Taylor Hall looks hurt, Ryan Smyth looks done, and Devan Dubnyk looks abandoned.

hemskyandgagner

The truth is not everyone sucked. Using Michael Parkatti’s work from Boys on the Bus, we get the following SF/SA:

  1. Jeff Petry 22-19 +3
  2. Jordan Eberle 19-16 +3
  3. Ladislav Smid 20-19 +1
  4. Sam Gagner 17-16 +1
  5. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 18-20 -2
  6. Magnus Paajarvi 12-14 -2
  7. Ales Hemsky 5-7 -2
  8. Taylor Hall 19-23 -4
  9. Nail Yakupov 11-17 -6
  10. Ryan Smyth 13-20 -7
  11. Eric Belanger 8-16 -8
  12. Nick Schultz 8-16 -8
  13. Mike Brown 3-11 -8
  14. Chris VandeVelde 2-11 -9
  15. Corey Potter 13-23 -10
  16. Justin Schultz 9-19 -10
  17. Ryan Jones 2-12 -10
  18. Ryan Whitney 12-24 -12

The bottom 6 forwards and two of the three pairings were underwater. Again. Yakupov and Schultz the younger are rookies, and VandeVelde is an AHLer trying to keep up with the pace, but beyond that I see a long list of NHL players who aren’t doing very well. And you can say “well it’s Detroit” but the Red Wings didn’t win with Lidstrom and Fedorov and Holmstrom last night, they won with Kindl, Emmerton and Andersson.

They need to be better than this, and management needs to find help for the top 6 forwards and defense. Dreadful.

ottawa

 

Send them Mike Brown. I actually like Brown, he certainly gave Tootoo more than he’s gotten from the Oilers in some time and he can skate too. However, the Oilers 4th line needs more savvy overall players and fewer parade makers.

Which brings me to Ryan Smyth. The Oilers were hemmed in last night and the puck landed along the boards maybe three strides from Smyth. Now, I’ve seen Ryan Smyth in that situation maybe 1000 times and because I know what he’s going to do (engage the blueliner who is coming down the wall, take the physical hit to make the play and move the puck to safety) it came as a shock to see him turn off before  making an attempt.

That was hugely disappointing. Seriously. Maybe he was hurt or gassed or maybe he’s no longer able. It filled me with equal parts rage and sadness, as it is clear that Ryan Smyth is no longer part of the solution if he’s going to pick his spots or turn away from his duties.

whitney2

 

Whitney is playing his final games as a highly paid pro athlete. Whatever his next contract, it’ll have a smaller number attached to it and that’s a damn shame. I wonder if the Oilers are pissed over his decision to have that surgery.

 

standingmar

 

If the season ended today, the Oilers would draft 6th overall which puts them in Monahan-Mantha territory. I still think they take Lazar.

dubnyk3

 

Goaltending isn’t the problem.

If I’m posting Townes Van Zandt songs you know the road trip isn’t going well. This is actually a positive song, if we get deeper into his library that’s a very bad sign.

CUE HOWARD

I’m pissed and disappointed. It was supposed to be different this time. Lidstrom’s gone, Hall’s here. And yet we’re talking about Kindl and Emmerton and Andersson this morning and it’s all happening the same as always.

Cue Howard.

The coach got schooled last night by Mike Babcock, hell that’s going to happen. I don’t think we can blame the coach for the bottom 6 or the lack of quality on the blue, and I don’t think Eager and Petrell drawing in will change one damn thing.

Well, at least Shawn Horcoff should hear one or two cheers the next time he steps onto Rexall ice.

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  1. DBO says:

    OK, a quick sleep and some coffee and I have new perspective on the Oil. This is purgatory and we are being punished for all the winning this team did in the 80′s so as to balance it all out. We had Sather expertly running the Org, now we have MacTambLowe. Punishment I tell ya.

    We need more skilled guys with try, not try guys with no skill.

    In the offseason we need more vets with some jump, not just jump on some players cause they are vets

    We need to balance out the roster and fix our glaring holes, not create glaring holes in our roster and pray for a miracle

  2. DBO says:

    And LT, time to start talking college free agents again? Back to the well ala Shultz? Seems more impactful then the draft right now (other then #1). Good article from CBC sports:

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/03/the-nhl-prepares-for-us-college-free-agent-time.html

    A top end 23 year old two way dman and a 22 yr old big winger who was at our prospects camp last year. Take em both, sounds good. And Mike Krushelnyski’s kid may come out one year early and maybe that is a help for our recruiting needs.

    Maybe that is the goal, add 2 22 yr olds up front and a 23 yr old on the back end. Suddenly we are good? LOL, oh optimism reigns with the dawn

  3. Woodguy says:

    The Edmonton Oilers are a team in the National Hockey League.

  4. FrankenOil says:

    Someone in the previous thread mentioned signing Omark and getting him in the lineup. I agree that this should happen since :

    1)This team desperately needs goals
    2)This team desperately needs goals
    3)Salvage trade value of this asset

    Sign Omark, waive someone or trade Peckham for a cheeseburger (or whatever his poison his). This team needs some skill and try and no one can argue that Omark had that in spades.

  5. gangplank says:

    wait wouldnt the Oilers pick 2nd?

  6. gangplank says:

    FrankenOil,

    omark would have to clear waivers no? FA in europe?

  7. Lowetide says:

    Hemsky day to day with a foot injury
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417643

    They’ll probably call up Cam Abney to replace him

  8. FrankenOil says:

    gangplank,

    No. The new CBA allows teams to sign their own RFA’s who have been playing in Europe since he is on the Oilers reserve/restricted list. If a team were to offer a him an offer sheet (like Feaster with O’Reilly), that team would have to subject him to waivers because:

    1)He played a pro game in Europe after the NHL season started &
    2)He wasn’t on the team who offer sheeted him’s restricted/reserve list

  9. DBO says:

    gangplank,

    Nope, only waivers if you didn’t hold the rights of the player when he was playing over seas. So he would not have to clear waivers. Which is why O’Reilly didn’t have to clear waivers since he technically “signed” with colorado after playing pro in Europe.

    Why not Omark? Hell, bring him over, play him for a month then deal him to Detroit for a 2nd. Right now he walks for nothing. With Hemsky out for a bit, he makes way too much sense, especially since Yakupov is not ready to play big minutes.

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Paajarvi-Gagner-Omark

    I could handle those top 2 lines, and Omark and Paajarvi had chemistry every time they played. Asset management MacTambLowe. That is like a trade to add a spark without giving anyone up. you know, like waivers.

  10. Radman says:

    Anyone else starting to miss the lockout….

    Tired. Just tired of the same old rhetoric and excuses.Lets have a little try boys. I recognize this is a process but we grow jaded and weary.
    We need a vet or two with some tread on the tires. Someone who knows what it takes to win. Someone who gets pissed off at serial losing.

    The hierarchy isn’t lost on me but we need someone in the GM chair with a bit of passion. Ideally from outside the organization with some fresh perspective. Less recycling.
    Tired.

  11. FrankenOil says:

    DBO,

    But you know they’re going to play Ryan Jones in that spot because, y’know, he’s good ;). He plays with (fake) grit and (fake) greasiness.

  12. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    They’ll probably call up Cam Abney to replace him

    I approve of the new, angry LT.

  13. BlacqueJacque says:

    You guys remember the “Fire Wilson” chants at the ACC last year in Toronto? I think “Fire Lowe” rolls more easily off the tongue.

    Hell, maybe if we all start twitter bombing the media they will run a story? I dunno, I don’t think I’ve ever been this frustrated yet simultaneously apathetic at the same time. Anyone care to join me?

    #FireMacTambLowe #Oilers

  14. DBO says:

    FrankenOil,

    Shudder

    #FireMacTambLowe #Oilers

  15. pboy says:

    Katz, Lowe, MacT and Tambo should all be forced to read every single comment on this blog and see the mix of venom and apathy they have created in their fanbase.

  16. Zipdot says:

    Nice writeup about Brandon Davidson’s ECHL success here. 10 points in nine games and he’s also shutting it down in his own zone. Not bad, B-Dave!

  17. ScottieA says:

    Lowetide:
    Hemsky day to day with a foot injury
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417643

    They’ll probably call up Cam Abney to replace him

    Sigh, I miss Nation Radio. I would love to hear angry LT rant.

  18. FrankenOil says:

    DBO:
    FrankenOil,

    Shudder

    #FireMacTambLowe #Oilers

    Going On Twitter to use those hashtags in a tweet to the Oilers. Let’s go Oiler fans…Let’s get these trending

  19. eidy says:

    I was hoping Ottawa would like eager

  20. elgruntus says:

    True story…was walking outside the Oiler offices and in the parking lot I found a Sony Walkman with the initials S.T. on it. Hit play, and Stealers Wheel starting playing “Everyone’s Agreed That Everything Will turn Out Fine”. I knew right away who it belonged to.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    There was a moment in my depressed stupor last night when I finally snapped to wakefulness, looked up and registered that getting pounded by the Datsyuk line amazingly was:

    54-13-64
    44-6

    I immediately fell much, much deeper into my stupor.

    Good news though! 83 got hurt and Columbus beat the nucks!

    C’Mon Seth Jones!!

    and speaking of which… are there any early reports on who will be the number 1 for the 2014 draft?

  22. cc says:

    I really like the idea of bringing in Omark. If they sign him to a one-way deal do you think he come’s over? Perhaps they can trade him at the deadline, OR perhaps realize he’s talented enough to play in this league.

    Maybe the Sens would be interested in Eager, he is an Ottawa boy. He and Brown are pretty much the same player.

    Whatever happens, they have to realize Tambelini needs to go. Don’t they? They have no center depth, most teams have one or two wingers that can play center in case of injuries. The Oilers draft and develop Wingers. They have way to many wingers, (Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, PRV, Hemsky, Smyth, Eager, Brown, Hartikanen, Petrell & Jones). But the biggest thing is there is no development path. This team is more talented than the Habs, Senators, Leafs and Flames. Yet they can’t figure out how to develop players and get the right kind of depth players. And I don’t think Kreuger gets a pass and I’m starting to question if the Oilers and the Baron’s are on the same page. The Senators have injuries to their best 3 players (plus Cowen, Michalek, Latendresse) and they are still competitive. I honestly can’t believe they aren’t able to develop or scout replacement level defenseman and centers, Ellerby and Lokitionov were had for a song by competent GMs.

    Reading Gregor’s article about the BlackHawks this week was disheartening, when Toews & Kane were 20 they were competitive. The Oilers management is beyond a joke. No more f’n excuses, they need to perform.

  23. oilersfan says:

    I am not sure if Brown is any good, probably not, but I know Eager is not.

    In all honesty, if the OIlers want a dirty player who can antagonize and fight a bit, why not Stortini? I know he loses most of his fights but he is a better player than anyone they have brought in since. He always had a decent corsi, got the puck going the right direction and ticked off the other team. Funny that line of Brodziak Glencros and Stortini was so good and two of those three would be quite the improvement on the third line we roll out now.

  24. Frank Mullard from out Wakaw way says:

    Krueger looks like he is ready to fall asleep on the bench. I think the Oil need a little RK Fire

  25. Radman says:

    Hard to put alot of stock in anonymous rumor mongers, but if there is any truth that the brain trust was assembled to scout Chimera I might just turn to curling. Really ?? No knock on the guy, but this is the creative answer to our problems. And we have to huddle up and scout a guy who we traded away just before he started playing well. More recycling is the answer for sure.

    Jeebus. Just Jeebus.

  26. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    miss the threads yesterday.. but this morning as I go through them, I feel compelled to note that some hippie dipshit ruined that awesome live recording of Blind Faith with some really trite and irritating camera work and editing.

    you know what’s cool? documenting the show in an interesting way: see Last Waltz; you know what’s not cool? a series of skewed camera angles, repetitive zooms in and out on the same object…

    brutal.

    sorry, end rant.

  27. tubes says:

    Great comments lately. Especially after last nights tilt. I very much enjoyed following it on twitter as opposed to watching it. Got a REALLY good feel for how bad they were.

    Management stinks, has to go and everyone knows that but I’m not including MacT. As often pointed out, he did a great job with the AHL players he had to work with. His downfall though was comparing Reasoner to Sakic.

    I think they’ll finish 5-10th and not win the lottery for once.

    And this just in: THE OILERS SUCK!!!

  28. dulock says:

    I think the Oilers have a once in a CBA opportunity this summer. With the cap going down, several teams too close to the top and some physical wingers that are UFAs on those teams (Horton, Clowe, etc.) I think the Oilers will be in their best position they’ll ever have to revamp the team and add some players because they’ll have the cap space to do so (because rookie bonuses don’t count against that years cap). Hopefully, they can make some astute moves. Or we can all start discussing which household foods can be fermented once the city runs out of alcohol.

  29. longway says:

    i, too, would like another look at omark. a very entertaining player to watch, a pitbull in the ozone. i wonder if woodguy could be persuaded to do a pajaarvian profile…
    and i still don’t understand why omark was exiled, anyone know anything that isn’t an old narrative about attitude?
    i’ve been reading this blog a long time and even created an account to comment. details never arrived in email and i’m not very persistent.
    i’m surprised a call for omark got me going…..

  30. Woodguy says:

    ScottieA: Sigh, I miss Nation Radio. I would love to hear angry LT rant.

    LT’s radio show is back.

    Its no longer affiliated with Oilers Nation.

    Its called “Lowetide at High Noon”

    I doubt he’ll rant though. Not the man’s style. He’s all class.

    Saturday Noon-2pm

  31. Woodguy says:

    longway:
    i, too, would like another look at omark. a very entertaining player to watch, a pitbull in the ozone. i wonder if woodguy could be persuaded to do a pajaarvian profile…
    and i still don’t understand why omark was exiled, anyone know anything that isn’t an old narrative about attitude?
    i’ve been reading this blog a long time and even created an account to comment. details never arrived in email and i’m not very persistent.
    i’m surprised a call for omark got me going…..

    I’ll have a look and do a snap shot.

    From what I remember it wasn’t very good.

  32. ScottieA says:

    Woodguy: LT’s radio show is back.

    Its no longer affiliated with Oilers Nation.

    Its called “Lowetide at High Noon”

    Saturday Noon-2pm

    Good to hear. Hadn’t been listening to 1260 for a while so as to not make me any more depressed about what ST and KLowe have done to this team. I definitely will tune in to hear angry LT tomorrow.

  33. pboy says:

    Chimera would be an upgrade on Eager. I would prefer a 4th line with Chimera and Brown over Eager and Petrell.

  34. DBO says:

    Woodguy,

    If they run the top pick line as our pvp, and the gagner line with MPS and Omark as more of a sheltered line then I think he will help. The reality is that Paajarvi seems to make everyone better this year, so maybe Omark will not make a difference defensively, but will surely add some spark offensively.

    Once again, it is the bottom 6 that hurts us. they are not even 4th line calibre right now. Be nice to see our injured trio be our 3rd line

    Harsky-Horcoff-Hemsky

    You know, depth.

  35. HiddenDarts says:

    If I’m Omark, I’m probably just refusing to sign. Just watch any of the games on this roadie and ask yourself, would YOU want to be a part of this?

    Last night, for the first time ever, I turned the game off midway through the 2nd period SO I COULD CATCH UP ON SOME ACCOUNTING.

    A new low, friends.

  36. Racki says:

    I said something similar elsewhere, but will subject you poor people to my rant of the day (Albeit an updated rant)..

    Each year, management, the coaching staff and the players all get on board with how this year is going to be a strong year where things turn around. Each year we see a little of that early on and think we’ve improved… then maybe 2 months in, if even, each year we see the team completely implode on itself like someone pulled out the wrong Jenga block. Things get worse and worse to the point where Oilers hockey is pretty much intolerable to watch.

    At this point, our coach tries every damn thing he can think of to make things work, but the players look catatonic, and the GM sits on his hands while it all falls apart. This is when the GM and WAY too overly patient fans drinking the kool-aid remind us that this is year 2 or 3 of the rebuild (which is nuts to think we’re only at that point) and that next year will be better.

    Yaaahhh. Been there, done that a few times. It’s going to be some pretty horrible hockey from here on out.

    Anyways, my take still is this team needs a new bottom six. Too many passengers, as Renney would say.

  37. LMHF#1 says:

    Is there any point even discussing logical/innovative player personnel moves during the season at this point? We’ve been waiting for YEARS. It is just unbelievable.

  38. Thiru says:

    Yeesh.

    They might as well try to bring up Cheechoo and Clark, right?

    How about Marincin?

  39. cabbiesmacker says:

    As hard as it is to watch an Oiler’s game these days it’s even worse to watch an episode of Oilchange right afterwards.

    What a giant, steaming load of shite. If only Oiler management knew about hockey what they know about censorship and dictating their public image.

    Any other city would have demanded heads roll. Not Edmonton.

  40. DBO says:

    Solid article from Staples.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/03/08/what-if-anything-is-wrong-with-the-edmonton-oilers/

    PP can be fixed, but terrible complementary older players are killing us and that is on management.

    - Hemsky for a more suited 3RW two way player (I have used Brouwer as an option enough times)
    - Take a gamble on Clowe. On a crazy note, word out of Jersey is they would move Clarkson if they can’t sign him. Slid prospect and our 1st would be need, but maybe you get a negotiation window with the Devils and deal our 1st and Harsky for a signed Clarkson (cause he is exactly what we lack).
    - Deal Belanger for anything (Chi wants faceoff guy and PK guy)
    - Deal Whitney and Bulin for anything.

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Clarkson-Gagner-Yakupov
    Paajarvi-Horcoff-Brouwer
    Smyth-Lander-Brown/Jones (still a mess on the 4th, but here’s hoping they can do something)

    And your off season is spent trying to find a top end dman.

  41. CarlFTWinslow says:

    VandeVelde sent down.

  42. sliderule says:

    I think that the thrashers wild and jackets have shown that drafting is not the way to nirvana.

    The oil if they do there homework a very good center or if we get lucky a franchise defenceman.The problem is that will not help next year or even the year after.

    I know we want to fire all the management but that isn’t going to happen.However if the oilers don’t start picking up and checking the shooter in the slot (multiple times in Detroit ) ,forwards like Ebs Hall and Yak standing out near blue line looking like deer in headlights wondering wtf is going on while the puck is right in the scoring area the coaching needs to be questioned.I know we say that the coaches have changed but that not true as there has been a lot of shuffling of chairs but not much change.When I see players frozen in no mans land looking like they are doing what their told I question.
    They had better change something before the end of season or all these coaches will need to be canned.
    When I say all I mean all don’t give us Bucky or Smith either as coach or assistants.Give the new coach free rein to put in his own system and assistants.
    Only if they do that will we get real oil change.

  43. cabbiesmacker says:

    Send them Mike Brown. I actually like Brown, he certainly gave Tootoo more than he’s gotten from the Oilers in some time and he can skate too. However, the Oilers 4th line needs more savvy overall players and fewer parade makers.

    LT…Why not send them Eager, Hordichuk, or both if they’re in the mood? Brown at least did what he was supposed to do last night, including blocking a shot which neither of the two aforementioned ever has to my recollection.

    Brown at least seems to understand what his role is and has the smarts to know WHEN as well.

  44. Roughneck says:

    Woodguy,

    there is a game tonight. And given recent results.

    Theres a chance!!!!

  45. BlacqueJacque says:

    HiddenDarts,

    Do the Oilers even have Omark’s rights? I know if I was him I’d prefer to play elsewhere.

    #FireMacTambLowe #Oilers

  46. FrankenOil says:

    sliderule,

    Agree with giving Krueger his say on assistants. Nothing like Mgmt telling the coach who his assistants are. That’s the NFL equivalent of Coaches not getting to pick their co-ordinators.

    Best text to the Team 1260 the other day was that next season, the title of the show should be changed from Oil Change to Nothing’s Changed

  47. FrankenOil says:

    Well it’s becoming clear that the Oilers Mgmt is saying “We don’t want to take a chance that one of the multitude of D prospects is going to be a stud. We are going to get a high draft pick and use it on a D”

  48. BrazilianOil says:

    Omark, Chimera, Cheechoo, Clark… we are more erratic that ST.

  49. cc says:

    sliderule,

    This is a great point about the assistants. There’s no continuity throughout the organization. Other than if you usta be an Oiler you might get a nice job.

    It because of their knowledge of Kreuger’s system. I have rarely seen a head coach get brought in and not hire one of his own assistants. Typically, a head coach get’s to hire one of his guys, the GM gets to hire one.

    Why did Smith get a job, must have been all of his experience, eh? And to think the Oilers let Huddy go for this guy.

    Now why Bucky is still here, is insane. He was ineffective as head coach in the AHL, so he gets moved to assistant coach (which kinda makes sense I guess). He then coaches under MacTavish, Quinn, Renney and now Krueger. Has that ever been done before the assistant gets retained through 3 coaching changes? And during those times we have not been able to develop a solid 3rd or 4th line our FO% has been shit during this time. It’s mind-boggling. I cannot come up with an explanation for this.

  50. GordM says:

    The Oilers sent out their Season Seat Holder survey a couple days ago (perhaps this was already mentioned somewhere and I missed it). What awful timing…

  51. FrankenOil says:

    we’ll see Laddie traded at the deadline. This org is dumb enough to believe that dumping Laddie and breaking a few of their young blue prospects is the best way to go ( Klefbom is the answer says lowe and tambo! Musil is ready too!)

    I don’t believe or have faith the org will actually replace him. They’ll feed the bs line “we are rebuilding team and as such we are playing young players.” Fistric will be expected to play top-4 minutes next year, Klefbom and some combination of Potter/Fedun/Teubert/Peckham will fill out the next 2 slots. We’ll sign someone past his prime to add into that mix and wonder why he isn’t performing to prior levels to add into that mix as well (Regher- He has crust and has run the Oilers show!).

  52. pboy says:

    DBO,

    I like your idea about David Clarkson but I wouldn’t use our #1 pick to pry him out of NJ. He’s an UFA at the end of this season, he has never cracked 50 points in a season but he is a right handed shooting RW who plays physical and comes from a winning organization. I think he would be a nice fit on the Oil, same goes for Ryan Clowe.

  53. RMGS says:

    LMHF#1:
    Is there any point even discussing logical/innovative player personnel moves during the season at this point? We’ve been waiting for YEARS. It is just unbelievable.

    No there isn’t. The “Rebuild Timeline” (praise be unto it) demands patience and blithesome enjoyment of “growth” and “process.” Then, like the miracle of The Resurrection (hey, it’s Easter soon), BAM – Stanley Cup!

  54. FrankenOil says:

    Stauffer likes to mention the PEns re-building and the need for top-5 picks as the main reason for how Pittsbrgh developed. He fails to mention that in Crsoby’s rookie year he had (as teammates)

    1)Mario for part of the year
    2)Recchi
    3)Gonchar
    4)John LeClair
    5)Ziggy Palffy

    That’s how you insulate your future star(s). That’s how you suck for one year but lay a foundation for forthcoming success.

  55. HeavySig says:

    LT,

    Re: TVZ,

    If you are thinking what I think you are thinking; Waiting Around to Die and Marie?

    No Place to Fall might be a good title to describe the Oilers, but the song is more optimistic than most of us now.

    I am thinking of just looping this video for 21/2 hours instead of watching Oiler games…https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=149711278523613&set=vb.101670060006938&type=2&theater

  56. ASkoreyko says:

    I was sitting in a crowded bar last night LT with no sound and saw that exact play by 94 that are talking about, at first I thought it was penalty as Smyth earlier engaged with a Det player and motioned like he was about to get a penalty so I thought he was showing no effort as he just needed to touch the puck.

    Imagine my surprise when play continued and I realized that Smyth had just given up. It was a quiet few moments for me after that display.

  57. Captain Obvious says:

    CarlFTWinslow:
    VandeVelde sent down.

    Finally. There is no greater sign of the incompetence of this team that they have run VDV out there game after game to get crushed.

    I think all of you are underestimating how bad the management of this team is and how screwed they are in the future.

    Here’s a statement of fact. In the four years I have been following the Oilers they haven’t added a single player that helps their team via trade of free agency. Not one. Take a look at this list:

    Trades:

    Whitney-Visnosky trade–loss
    Schultz–Gilbert trade–loss
    Smyth trade–old and slow
    Brown trade–sub replacement player

    Free Agents:
    Cam Barker–sub replacement player
    Darcy Hordichuk–sub replacement player
    Lennert Petrell–sub replacement player
    Corey Potter–replacement player
    Kurtis Foster–bad to replacement player

    Seriously, that is the whole list. In four years the Oilers haven’t added a single useful player outside of #1 overall picks and Justin Schultz. That’s so unbelievable the word unbelievable doesn’t capture how unbelievable it is.

    Despite all this they still don’t know that their problem is they don’t have enough talent.

    In that team the Leafs, which were at the bottom right with the Oilers at the beginning of this saga have added Franson, McCarthur, Lupul, and Gardiner. That’s the difference right there. While other teams have been adding good players the Oilers have been cycling through AHL players on their fourth line.

    Being an excellent general manager is probably difficult. However, a blind, deaf, and dumb monkey could do better than the Oilers. It would be impossible to do worse.

  58. FrankenOil says:

    I’m not an advocate of trading one of the kids (Gags, Hall,Ebs,Yak,RNH) up front to shake things up. The fix is easy and economical. Sign someone a couple of older players like Vinny Prospal to shore up the forward ranks. Pittsburgh has used this idea to win a Cup. They kept looking for vet scoring on the cheap (Petr Sykora, Satan, and the best of them all in Guerin). The only player they acquired that cost them significant assets was Hossa and all he did was take them to within a whisker of a Cup win.

  59. FrankenOil says:

    Captain Obvious,

    That is a god awful list and an accurate indicator of the incompetence. I’d like to add the Cole and a 2nd for POS and Kotalik fiasco as well.

    I do believe the Fistric trade (which you missed) wasn’t a terrible deal and the Staois trade wasn’t terrible either. However, if a GM is only winning that kind of trade, usually he’s on the unemployment line before long.

  60. FrankenOil says:

    It’s almost comical that LA won that trade with us. Fraser is a capable, cheap 4th line C. We traded him for Smyth and signed a falling-over-the-cliff Belanger for twice the money to replace him. Clap, Clap!

    Love the fact , as it stands, that we are in line to pay 4 million to 2/3 of our 4th line next year. What’s the over/under on combined goals? 6?

  61. Ribs says:

    It’s been absolutely amazing how much injuries have impacted this club in recent years. Just ridiculously bad luck.

  62. FrankenOil says:

    Ribs,

    TambLowe is that you?

  63. VanOil says:

    I have uncovered a left field candidate for GM. Oilers have a deal maker (Katz) a six ring man (Lowe) even the last man to play hockey with out a helmet (MacT). So they don’t require deal making savvy or old school hockey knowledge and connections as part of the management team if they replace Tambo.

    They also have plausible scouting (MBS) and business operations hardly face a struggle selling hockey to Northern Alberta. RK seems to have all world communication skills. What they seem to lack is some one with a foundation in evidence based decision making and a rational methodological system of evaluation.

    Therefore I nominate Michael Parkatti for the job. He seems to have a better grasp of what is actually happening with the team than any one currently working for it. While I am sure experience GM’s and hockey operations managers could be found, we do not lack for experience or hockey smarts. We lack brains, bring in Parkatti.

  64. Thiru says:

    If the Oilers bottom 6 is as bad as the math says it is, Kreuger should just play 10 F and 8 D.

    …Do we have 8 D?

    Ruh-Roh

  65. VanOil says:

    Captain Obvious,

    Belanger free agent signing as also a miss. You probably have just written Tamo’s CV for him. Lets hope he get a chance to use it!

  66. Captain Obvious says:

    How could I forget Eric Fn Belanger. God he’s terrible.

    I didn’t even say the worst part of it all. The Oilers have the worst fourth line in hockey and they are all coming back for one more year.

  67. denny33 says:

    Great job by LT – he nailed everything I was going to say….

    This is NOT your father’s Detroit Red Wings…6th in the West and they employ Lashoff, Kindl and Kyle Quincy on Defence. And as the tv crew pointed out – near the bottom in goals for.

    Oilers had 13 shots on goal after 2 periods. One was from the goal line by Yak and 2 others were from the blue line by Petry that Howard had a clear line of sight to glove like he was playing catch in his back yard….Wow.

    This team quit on DD. You can’t mince words. No effort.

    This makes me thinks there are leadership issues in the locker room, big time.

    Ryan Smyth and Eric Belanger mailed it in…

    I feel for RK – as I mentioned yesterday- this thing could get very negative if he is not careful.

  68. Eastern Oil says:

    @ elgruntus: what’s a Sony Walkman?

    @ everyone who thinks we should bring back Omark: I agree 100% purely because I’m pretty sure Spector’s head would explode.

    @Vanoil & Captain Obvious: you’re both absolutely right which is too bad as I liked that signing at the time. Wasn’t sold on the term but liked what he brought to the table as our 4th line centre and faceoff guy.

    Finally, my own original (somewhat) thought: I actually liked the Brown fight last night. The sad part was though that the reason I liked it was because it was the only “positive” part of the Oilers game. It was tragically ironic that the player (type of) that Edmonton needs least on the team was the only one that brought some excitement.

    PS. I quote positive because although I think fighting has a part in hockey, I don’t think it serves the purpose many think it does.

  69. Woodguy says:

    Getzlaf signs for 8 years with Ducks.

  70. denny33 says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    Great idea….

    Time for a 12-pack of beer and some talk about how great we used to be…Marty McSorley talked about coming to Edmonton and literally being forced to become a better player because of all the high skill talent Edmonton possessed. Incredibly high tempo practices forced him to become a better skater and player.

    In the 1993 Stanley Cup final where Marty took his famous illegal stick penalty – a lot of people thought Marty was the 2nd best LA King in that playoff run.

    Marty McSorley was one of my favourite Oilers….

    The socialist government here in MB has RAISED everything that a government can possibly raise that is not a “tax’. Today, a 24 of Beer in MB will go up by over $4 …

    Is there any good news in this world….

    Oh wait the stock market!

  71. dessert1111 says:

    How are they going to run the 4th line tonight? Smyth at C, or is Horcoff returning? Haven’t heard much on that front, so I’d assume it’s a winger player centre…

  72. ScottieA says:

    Woodguy:
    Getzlaf signs for 8 years with Ducks.

    Tambellini’s off-season plan is shot out of the water.

  73. DBO says:

    Wow on the getzlaf deal. Is that not a huge overpay? That should scare every GM out there. So much for cost certainty. Even the Leafs wouldn’t have paid him that much.

    Not confirmed but the number I heard last nite was in the ball park of 66M over 8 yrs. Aav of 8.25 for #ducks Getzlaf.

    Talk about negotiating against yourself. That is crazy.

  74. pboy says:

    8.25 for a guy who doesn’t push the river. Wow.

  75. bookje says:

    The team was not in bad shape around the draft. It was actually in a pretty good place. Lots of young talent and not too many albatross contracts (like Cal, NYI, etc).

    Regardless of what they did, this season was going to be tough – I looked at this season with expectations of missing the playoffs – fine.

    I hoped for some small personal improvements that were smart. I understand that 2 years ago there was no reason to do this and that signing Fraser made sense because the team was tanking.

    I recognize that improving a team from the ‘tank’ is tough as you don’t have a lot of good secondary assets to trade so improvements are tough. Claiming Niko Hovinan was an example of a small smart improvement.

    What has really ‘turned’ for me is that the team traded away picks for two players of questionable value. Fistric I was just ok with, but I really have trouble with Brown. Seems like a great guy full of competitive spirit, but so is my sister’s dog – full of energy – bouncing all over the place, but neither Brown or Chito (the dog) are much of an improvement for the Oilers It suggests that the management honestly believes the hype about ‘energy’ lines and ‘truculence’.

    MacT’s comments about stats this week (and the clear lack of appreciation) added to my frustration.

    Now, with that said, I still think the team is in a good position for improvement. No big contracts and some exciting young players to play with means that free agent signings are possible. The real problem that I have is that the team is in a worse position for improving themselves for the future than it was 6 months ago. They have given up opportunity for nothing.

    There is one redeeming possibility, and that is that we seriously don’t understand HOW patient the management of this team is, and that it they are truly capable, but have decided to not really be competitive for one more year so that they can draft a great Centre. It’s possible, but its also risky. If they trade off veterans for picks this trading deadline, the future might not be too bad.

    I am pretty much OK with all scenarios other than Tambellini and Co mortgaging the future with bad trades to try and win some games now. If they are all on the firing block, then I hope Katz makes the kill quickly and doesn’t give them time to really wreck anything.

  76. Ribs says:

    FrankenOil:
    Ribs,

    TambLowe is that you?

    Well, some of it is bad luck, anyway. Oilers need a top 4 defenceman? Whitney done. Oilers need top 6 centerman? Horcoff out. Oilers need 3rd line hustler who can play a little? Hartikainen missing time. 4th line center that’s an upgrade on VandeVelde? Lander go poof.

    But don’t worry, the kids can push the team through some injury problems. Nuge hurting. Hall hurting. Schultz hurting. Eberle hurting. Dammit.

    Hemsky, it’s up to you! …D’oh!

    At least Dubnyk is indestructible. *knocks on wood*

  77. Mr DeBakey says:

    How are they going to run the 4th line tonight? Smyth at C, or is Horcoff returning? Haven’t heard much on that front, so I’d assume it’s a winger player centre

    The only thing that you can say for sure about Horcov’s return, is that it’ll happen before he is properly healed.
    Bookie it!

  78. DBO says:

    The Getzlaf deal is a killer for every GM. Fuckin Ducks. I was of the thinking that we may have jumped the gun on Hall and Eberle, but now I am thinking it is a solid deal if not even a value deal. Who would take Getzlaf over those 2 kids. He is having a great year, but at that cap hit and has injuries in the past? Wow.

  79. DBO says:

    Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe
    Ralph Krueger says Ales Hemsky is out and Horcoff back soon. Corey Potter out. Theo Peckham in. Devan Dubnyk starts and Ryan Smyth at centre

  80. wunderbar says:

    Kruger says that Smyth will play Center again, and Peckham is in for Potter.

    Smyth at Center, again.

    There aren’t enough beers. At least the Brier is on.

  81. DBO says:

    So Getzlaf is the 4th highest cap hit in the league now. Wow.

  82. ScottieA says:

    DBO:
    Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe
    Ralph Krueger says Ales Hemsky is out and Horcoff back soon. Corey Potter out. Theo Peckham in. Devan Dubnyk starts and Ryan Smyth at centre

    Enough with this Smyth at centre garbage.

  83. wunderbar says:

    DBO:
    So Getzlaf is the 4th highest cap hit in the league now. Wow.

    Comical, no? I actually can’t stop laughing.

  84. Gerta Rauss says:

    bookje:

    I am pretty much OK with all scenarios other than Tambellini and Co mortgaging the future with bad trades to try and win some games now.If they are all on the firing block, then I hope Katz makes the kill quickly and doesn’t give them time to really wreck anything.

    Another good post Bookje-agree 100% here- we’re past the point of no return for this season-spending some assets and bringing in some short term help is crazy at this point. We should just let the season play out now and see if we can salvage anything from this road trip.

    Can Chito win a faceoff..?

  85. Woodguy says:

    longway,

    Here’s Omark’s Shot Attempt differential with his top 15 line mates from 2010-2012

    PAAJARVI, MAGNUS53.9 46.8 7.1
    GAGNER, SAM 47.5 49.5 -2
    SMID, LADISLAV 48.3 47.9 0.4
    PETRY, JEFF 52.2 49.8 2.4
    GILBERT, TOM 57.1 47.6 9.5
    FOSTER, KURTIS 45.1 45.7 -0.6
    VANDERMEER, JIM 44 49.2 -5.2
    PECKHAM, THEO 47.8 44.7 3.1
    COGLIANO, ANDREW54.7 47.5 7.2
    REDDOX, LIAM 46.1 45.6 0.5
    STRUDWICK, JASON43.3 41.2 2.1
    JONES, RYAN 30.5 45.3 -14.8
    WHITNEY, RYAN 47.7 44.6 3.1
    O_MARRA, RYAN 33.3 38.5 -5.2
    POTTER, COREY 45.7 48.3 -2.6

    9/15 are better with him than without.

    Havent looked at zone starts or qualcomp

    edit: that’s almost unreadable, sorry

    First number is shot attempt differential with Omark, 2nd number is without Omark, 3rd number is net of the two

  86. elgruntus says:

    Eastern Oil,

    A Sony Walkman is an old, slow, audio delivery device that was put out to pasture years ago. Much like this management team should have been. We’re dealing with Walkman’s while the rest of the league updates their iPads.

  87. bookje says:

    Gerta Rauss: Another good post Bookje-agree 100% here- we’re past the point of no return for this season-spending some assets and bringing in some short term help is crazy at this point. We should just let the season play out now and see if we can salvage anything from this road trip.

    Can Chito win a faceoff..?

    If it were a tennis ball, he would grab it and you would never get it away from him.

    I was also really frustrated by not picking up Hamerlik. The only mitigating factor on that was Bruce’s assertion that the Oilers should not pick him up.

  88. gcw_rocks says:

    I hope you are wrong about the oilers picking Lazar. While his goal scoring is on par with top 10, his point production is off by a mile. I would be especially pissed if they pick him with Barkov, Monahan or Nichushkin still on the board.

    I am not a religious man, but I am willing to convert is praying will help get Lowe – MacT – Tambo fired before the draft.

  89. gcw_rocks says:

    On Smyth – I said last summer that a 2 year deal was a stupid, stupid thing to do. A 1 year deal with incentives was the smarter play given his age and playing style.

    Fucking Kevin Lowe deals. Often too long and always for too much money.

  90. S. Crowe says:

    To quote Major League: “They’re shitty.”

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Tonight is game 24, and I’m happy to bet the entire rest of the season on the following:

    - Oilers win and bingo! My lame-o self will cartoon style add another 10 games to evaluate them further.

    – Oilers lose and Bingo! They’re dead ducks, who gives a fuck anyway?

    - Oilers lose in OT and honestly have no idea what to think, so I’ll take suggestions from the audience.

  92. hunter1909 says:

    Wasn’t Sean Monahan the top ranked player less than a year ago? He sounds like the perfect 7th overall pick reclamation project to groom for Gagner’s eventual leaving to star in Chicago.

  93. Clarence Oveur says:

    Does Tambellini like movies about gladiators?

  94. oilgreg says:

    I must begin by stating how disappointed I am in the performaces of late. No try is the biggest concern. The compete level from vets such a Belanger, Smyth, Hemsky, Whitney is just not there. A very poor example for the kids.
    RNH – I have no concerns with RNH. I see greatness here.

    Hall – he has to play with more nastiness. To me, it looks like he is playing not to get hurt. What he needs to do is get up his stick and dish out some aggression. If he would have got is stick up last year, instead of trying to duck away from a check;
    a) he would have avoided a concussion
    b) made other players a little more cautious

    Eberle – he has to get back to winning his puck battles. I just hope the lack of try from some of the ‘leaders’ is not effecting is long-term development. He is just too good to be playing as bad as he is (comparing Eberle to how Eberle should play – certainly not to Belanger. Next to Belanger, he looks great!).

    Yak – can anyone explain to me that with the team down 2-0, Smyth was the guy to replace Hemsky on a scoring line?? When I saw Hemsky go down, I thought, “Well, at least now Yakapov will get a chance to play with a centre who can actually pass.” And then – again the team was down 2-0 & not up by two goals – RK rolls out Smyth. This guy has been a great Oiler, but his scoring days have past him by. Also, why is Yak not a focal piece of teh PP. he was one of the best shots I have ever witnessed – many, many years ago I played goal in the dub – and yet he sits. And when he is out on the PP, there seems to be no set play for a one-timer. A Yak one-timer is almost an automatic goal, as we will find out one day. Yak needs to be coached to improve his defensive game, and by al reports he is a very team-oriented young man, but he also needs to be provided some offensive opportunities!

    Gagner – now this guy, I love his compete level, it is just too bad that he does not have the strength/balance/ to be an effective 2nd line centre. If you compare him and Yak -who are about the same size but with Nail several years younger – the young guy can dish out a nasty hit, has the on-ice awareness to avoid a hit, and the strength to win puck battles. Gagner, dispite his try and his gutsy efforts, but seems to fall over when hit. It is too bad be will never be a Getzlaf. Can we turn him into Getzlaf in a trade & sigh deal ????????

  95. hunter1909 says:

    Don’t like seeing Yakupov not progressing.

  96. Lucinius says:

    Few thoughts….

    1) Paajarvi has been a light amidst the darkness the last few games. There is a player there and if the Oilers send him down due to the fact of waivers someone should be shot. One oft he few forwards who’s had :effort: the last few games.

    2) Smyth is done. Short of him becoming Lazarus his career should be over. The moment the puck hits the defensive zone he looks like a 50 year old with a bad leg and no motivation. In the offensive zone he looks motivated but tired. He is nothing but a burden on the team the way he is now. What was a value contract is now dead weight. Needs to retire or be bought out.

    3) Belanger has ruined what had been a good start to the season. He had looked better in every way, except offensively — which was fine. What we needed from him was to win face offs, kill penalties and take care of business in the defensive zone. Every game he seems to get worse defensively and is now approaching critical mass of suckiness. Needs to be traded for what we can get.

    4) VandeVelde; I feel sorry for him. Its not his fault. He’s trying, every single game — which should be rewarded. However, he’s simply not good enough to be 4C on this team. Maybe elsewhere, where good line-mates could help him along and shelter his mistakes or skill deficit. Here, however, he hasn’t even been the worst on his line which makes all kinds of things look bad. Should be in OKC (and got sent down) where he can work on helping a team and not suffer through the Oilers.

    5) Gagner should be traded for a more defensive 2C while his value is high as there is no way the Oilers can afford to pay him what he’ll command due to his point totals — and he is an absolute wreck defensively and he needs to be traded before that aspect of his game ruins his trade value. I say this as someone who likes Gagner but I do not see him as part of the solution.

    6) Hemsky needs to be traded (to a good team — he deserves that much!) and I say this as someone who has Hemsky as their favourite player even now. Yakupov needs to be on the right side and unless Hemsky can play LW, he needs to go unless he can work out as a third line RW making less money on a checking line/third scoring line with Horcoff and Paajarvi.

    7) The kids will be fine if they are ever able to get healthy and stay healthy and not played while hurt.

    8) Whitney needs to go. Take anything. Take a sixth round pick if its all you can get. His defensive errors are mounting. Its not just his injury. His decision making has been horrendous. He’s turning pucks over to the other teams on a silver platter. He is a liability. Trade him now while someone still might take him.

    9) Smid needs to be signed. This hasn’t been his best year (value contract available?), but many of his errors have come from, one way or another, trying to make up for someone else (Petry most often, otherwise usually Gagner or Belanger) and either hesitating a moment too long or getting caught between, or just unable to do enough like a true #1 shut down pairing guy should. He and Petry are a decent, but not great, first pairing when on their games — they both haven’t been (Petry’s been worse than Smid by more than a few degrees).

    10) Nick Schultz is a bad replacement for Tom Gilbert. The Oilers lost that trade badly. Gilbert brought far more offense and was as good, often better, defensively than Schultz. Most notably Gilbert was better at reactive defensive zone coverage than N. Schultz.. and this Oilers team begets many a need for good reactive defensive players.

    11) Dubnyk looks like Ranford did before he was traded; lost, abandoned and starting to look like he no longer believes he can do the job because of what he sees in front of him. Looks like his spirit is getting crushed. He’s not been great lately, and had a few out-right bad games and his body language and work reminds me clearly of Ranford right before the trade with that awful, awful Oiler team in front of him that ruined him completely.

    12) Lowe and Tambellini need to go. Badly. They have proven they do not know how to build a team to win. Most of the good pieces on this team were either gifted via sheer ineptitude (the first overalls), luck (Eberle), trading away superior players (Pronger -> Smid) or inheritance (Hemsky). Get them gone before we start trading away our future (Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov) due to us being the Islanders of the West.

    Lastly, given what the Oilers have right now, here is the line up I would like to see for next year;

    Hall — Hopkins — Eberle
    MPS/Harski — Gagner’s replacement — Yakupov
    Harski/MPS — Horcoff — Hemsky/UFA/Trade result
    Brown/OKC tryout/UFA/Trade result — Lander — Jones

    Smid — Petry 2A pairing
    UFA/Trade result — J. Schultz 2B pairing*
    UFA/Trade result — Klefbom**
    Potter, Peckham, Musil, Marincin***

    * Nick Schultz, but better to go with Justin.
    ** A veteran, steady defensive mentor for Klefbom.
    *** The extras who will see games due to injuries. Would like better, but the team will likely be pressed cap-wise.

    More than anything else, however, the powerplay needs to be fixed and a culture change needs to be implemented to ensure that the players actually show up and work during games instead of the laziness and utter apathy that has set in, even amongst the skilled young guns like Hall, Eberle and others.

  97. denny33 says:

    bookje,

    No big Contracts….Sean Horcoff’s contract is one of the worst in Hockey and we are set to shell out that one for 2 more years after this one….the Islanders at least sent Dipietro down to the minors.

    Further – we are legally contracted to pay Ryan Smyth AND Eric Belanger money next year to play hockey.

    That is 3 of our bottom 6 forwards all signed for one more year of hockey.

    Eric Belanger’s work – Edmonton Journal

    #20 Eric Belanger, 2. Did great in the faceoff circle (11/16=69%), but the bulk of that was lighting up some dude named Cory Emmerton to the tune of 7/8, with all but one of those draws taking place in the neutral zone. Despite matching up against one of Detroit’s weakest lines, Belanger too was clobbered on the shot meter (Corsi of +8/-16). Had another horrendous own zone turnover, and was a black hole offensively. Both of his shot attempts were blocked, and when one of Oilers best chances dropped at his feet in the form of a juicy rebound he rather predictably couldn’t find the handle. Posted a beyond-atrocious Neilson Number of +0/-5, including losing his man Emmerton for an uncontested shot from the slot that became Detroit’s second goal.

  98. bookje says:

    denny33,

    Horcoff’s contract ends in two years. Smyth and Belanger’s end in 1 year. None of these things really affect the future of the Edmonton Oilers. Two of those could be bought out this summer. Horcoff could easily be traded this summer as a value contract to a team trying to reach the cap floor.

    The key is that the Oilers (unlike the Flames, Islanders, and some other teams) are basically free and clear. There are some questions about Eberle’s contract, but I think it is reasonable and I think Hall’s will be a bargain.

  99. 42 percent body fat says:

    Can we all stop talking about the pipe dream of getting getzlaf now. That was always so stupid. The oilers would have had to pay him over 8M a year. We allready have Eberles and Horcoffs stupid contracts to deal with, why not add another.

  100. eidy says:

    I’m surprised that 3 (generously) NHL centers and 3.5 NHL d men isn’t the recipe for success in the NHL. Especially on a 9 game road trip.

    Grabs bottle of gin…..

  101. oilgreg says:

    42 percent body fat:
    Can we all stop talking about the pipe dream of getting getzlaf now.That was always so stupid.The oilers would have had to pay him over 8M a year. We allready have Eberles and Horcoffs stupid contracts to deal with, why not add another.

    To not consider ways to improve the team would be stupid. Can getzlaf improve the team?? If the answer is yes, that option should be part of the discussion.
    Another question is; in this day of a shrinking cap, will the players like getzlaf able to command $8 million salaries?? Maybe, and maybe not. Most teams will be REDUCING their caps for next season.
    Should Getzlaf be able to be signed (and remember, he is a Western Canada boy) for $6 million, the difference between his salary and that of Gagner’s 2014 salary is not unmanageable.
    Worth a thought – and worth a discussion. I would certainly hope that our GM is exploring ALL avenues towards improvement.

  102. BlacqueJacque says:

    Ribs,

    Ottawa has suffered injuries to their two best players – Spezza and Norris trophy winner Karlsson.

    I’m sure Horcoff is a major loss, but he’s not anywhere near the calibre of those two.

    #FireMacTambLowe #Oilers

  103. Lucinius says:

    The Getzlaf contract is.. mind boggling. How on Earth does that get handed out short of desperation? He’s having a good year, granted, since he’s basically tied for 6th in the scoring race and most of his injury history doesn’t look like repeat problem stuff, but.. over 8 million!?

    And what happens when they lose Perry?

  104. oilgreg says:

    Getzlaf gets 8 years at $8 million. Crazy! I was wrong in my prediction, but I think the Ducks were more ‘wrong’ with this contract! Can they now sign Perry and still be under the cap??

  105. Eastern Oil says:

    elgruntus,

    A metaphor within a metaphor, well done sir.

  106. ScottieA says:

    Steve Tambellini: What’s this?

    Oilers Stats Guy: The boxcars and statistical analysis that was requested for the Mike Brown deal.

    ST: What do they mean?

    OSG: Um sir, they show Brown’s performance over his career, year-over-year, on a macro and micro level.

    ST: Whuh??

    OSG: They represent how well Brown has performed as a hockey player over the course of his career, using math as the proof.

    ST: Is this the kind of stuff that interested the nerds that I beat up back in high school?

    OSG: Uh, I guess.

    ST: Okay, just throw it down on my desk. I don’t think that we’ll need them. After all, we’ve seen him good.

    OSG: What does that mean sir?

    ST: Well, his poise on the ice, his physicality, his never-quit attitude, and the fact that he is willing to stand up for his teammates. We’ve seen all these characteristics via HNIC broadcasts and first-hand relayed to us from the Pro-Scouting Department.

    OSG: Sir, with all due respect, statistics is a well-established science and this analysis will show you that making a trade for Mike Brown will be a bad decision. My numbers indicate that he’s a barely an NHL player, and would instantly become the worst player on this team. Also, if I may be blunt, the Pro-Scouting Department has had a terrible track record and have often been caught sleeping off hangovers in their office.

    ST: Hogwash! I trust them completely. Besides, I heard Don Cherry sing Mike’s praises on HNIC. I also rang up Stevie Y and got his opinion on the possible trade. He said that Mike was a stand up guy, and great in the dressing room from what he had heard.

    OSG: Sir, what did Yzerman say about Brown’s hockey abilities?

    ST: Nothing.

    OSG: So you’re going to base this trade on a set of intangibles?

    ST: Yes son, besides I faxed the paperwork over to NHL HQ an hour ago. And frankly, I’ve grown tired of your constant questioning of my decisions. I don’t think you’re a fit for the culture of this organization. Also, I believe that your number mumbo-jumbo is misguided. Your services will no longer be required. Please clean out your office and leave.

    OSG walking out the door: Fine, thanks for the severance jackass.

    ST to his intercom: Sarah, could you please get a hold of Chuck Fletcher for me? Tell him that I want to talk to him about Zenon. Thanks.

  107. Captain Obvious says:

    On the one hand, it seems like far too much. On the other hand, the inevitable consequence of lowering the contract length is to increase the yearly dollar mount.

  108. Smarmy says:

    Lucinius:
    The Getzlaf contract is.. mind boggling. How on Earth does that get handed out short of desperation? He’s having a good year, granted,since he’s basically tied for 6th in the scoring race and most of his injury history doesn’t look like repeat problem stuff, but.. over 8 million!?

    And what happens when they lose Perry?

    But but you see the Owners had to lockout the players and lower the cap and lower term because hockey was being ruined by greedy players.

    The fact of the matter are plenty of owners and GMs in this league are total idiots when it comes to cap and asset management and we have some of the worst right here in Edmonton.

    I’ve got to defend Tambi a little bit. We wanted experienced real NHL players for our bottom six and Belanger was exactly that when they signed. Maybe someone can go back at numbers and with a little hindsight say that this cliff dropping performance was to be predicted but I don’t know. The guy can skate, shoot the puck and win a draw but he’s turned into an absolute blackhole. It’s mind boggling. I bet if Chicago got him he’d look like his old self again and we’d pull out what’s left our hair.

  109. GordM says:

    Smarmy,

    Agreed re: Belanger. I dislike what Lowe/Tambellini have done as much as the next guy, but:

    Belangers’s career goals/game prior to joining the Oil = .19
    Belanger’s goals/game the previous two seasons before signing with the Oil = .16
    Belangers goals/game since joining the Oil = .04

  110. 42 percent body fat says:

    oilgreg,

    First of all he does not make the team better signed at 8M+, that would mean more AHL players in the line up and no improvement coming on defense. They are not ready to compete even with getzlaf so we are hindering the team in the long run.

    Next trading prospects and picks in a deep draft year for a pending UFA is just plain dumb also.

  111. 42 percent body fat says:

    Lucinius,

    If we didnt sign eberle to his ridiculously over priced contract, there would be room to sign gagner. And without a stupid precedent than he wouldnt command as much.

    Cant wait until the oilers give nuge 6M as soon as the season is over and he only gets 18 points this year.

  112. Woodguy says:

    Tyler has a good post up today about shot attempt differential on this road trip.

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=5624

  113. cabbiesmacker says:

    ScottieA,

    Same stats guy that thought re-signing Smyth for two years was a great move???

    There were contracts as high as $7M over two years being tossed around here – regularly

  114. OilClog says:

    Belanger has talked about wanting to play in Montreal this summer while under contract with Edmonton… It’s not hard to wonder why Belanger is a disaster in Edmonton, he only came for the contract.

    There is no desire to win for Eric Belanger as an Edmonton Oiler.

    Edmonton Oilers, best team under 25.

    Edmonton Oilers, worst team over 25.

    The front office needs to be cleared out, everything and everyone. If they ever want to establish a winning culture again the entire management team needs to be shown the door yesterday. We are now seeing our best young players, playing hurt, frustrated, and packing it in. I don’t know.. but I think this season hurts the most.. we’re really the most poorly ran operation in the league. If we finish near the bottom of the league again, I think we’re watching the last few months of Taylor Hall being a Edmonton Oiler, doesn’t seem like the type that will just put up with it and keep coming in, he’ll want out.

  115. oilgreg says:

    42 percent body fat:
    oilgreg,

    First of all he does not make the team better signed at 8M+, that would mean more AHL players in the line up and no improvement coming on defense.They are not ready to compete even with getzlaf so we are hindering the team in the long run.

    Next trading prospects and picks in a deep draft year for a pending UFA is just plain dumb also.

    I don’t think you comprehended my statement. I did not suggest signing anyone for $8 million. I also did not suggest trading prospects and/or picks for an UFA.
    If you are going to comment on what I write, please do so in such a way that your comment reflects some accuracy. Thank you.

  116. OilClog says:

    Woodguy,

    MPS better damn well play every game.. well forever as an Edmonton Oiler from here forth.

    But…

    I’m betting the return for MPS and a 2nd round draft pick.. will be a bottom 6 forward with grit, north american birthplace, plenty of poise, and around the age of 34.

  117. "Steve Smith" says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    You guys remember the “Fire Wilson” chants at the ACC last year in Toronto?I think “Fire Lowe” rolls more easily off the tongue.

    Are there any good GM candidates named “Hi”, or similar? I can’t think of any, but if there are I automatically support him as the new GM or whatever title we’d be hiring.

    “Hire Hi, Fire Lowe! Hire Hi, Fire Lowe!”

    (Although insofar as hiring is analogous to buying, and firing is analogous to selling, that seems like terrible advice, now that I think about it.)

  118. DeadmanWaking says:

    Unlike yesterday, today I have no idea how to size my text input box. I just don’t know if this is the exact moment when I might resume. I see it’s actually possible to shrink the input box down to just one line; actually just the top 2/3rds of one line of text if your preference is to enlarge fonts. Maybe this will be the next big innovation from Twitter: just showing the top 2/3rds of each line of text, so you can fit 50% more tweets on the screen all at once.

    Or maybe when the Al Gore grows up and becomes the Old Growth Gore, and every human being on the planet subscribes to real-time autonomous agents to read every damn post every person on the planet writes, we’ll replace all those tweets with an animated spinning blue marble where the colour of every pixel represents the emotional temperature of some person’s electronic avata-shroud toward the last keystroke emitted from your RealMe burble-stream. The Swype accessory will by then have evolved to process the global emotional heat map in real-time, and will provide instantaneous colour feedback if you finger drifts toward keying the Red Letter the digital elephant will never forget.

    For example, about the time Avery gets to the letter “p” he’s so far past red already that his lithium battery goes into short circuit and the reddish yellow hue is no longer just a phosphorous pixel, but an honest-to-god blacksmith’s heat code, complete with the aroma of conflict metals melding together in a toxic ecstasy of blue smoke. The yellowish aspect that tints the deep red of outraged humanity accrues from the green-thumb voting block of “I’m so bored with my life” (so flatteringly depicted in Trainspotters); people (well-represented in the British Isles) who live and die by the moral creed that “Your red is my green.” A decade later historians discover that the enduring literary legacies from this period pretty much boil down to a contingent of male writers who were red-green colour blind, and either failed to notice or chose to do nothing about it.

    In Is The National Post Breaking Copyright Law? Geist writes:

    I’m a big fan of Chris Selley, the National Post writer behind Full Pundit, a daily look the Canadian editorial and opinion columns (last year Selley was also a vocal supporter of the much-needed Fire Ron Wilson campaign). [Selley does not himself ask for permission since fair dealing for news reporting is lax about this.] Yet if someone wants to post a quote from Selley or anything else written by the National Post, they are now presented with pop-up box seeking a licence that starts at $150 for the Internet posting of 100 words with an extra fee of 50 cents for each additional word (the price is cut in half for non-profits).

    There we go: hockey is life and life is hockey. It’s not just me.

    My satire of Twitter now reveals itself: the end-game of assigning Copyright Law first claim is that the blogosphere is ultimately reduced to clicking “Like” and “Dislike” buttons (until the latter is banished from the consumer-seignorial chattering class for encouraging unpatriotic values). Good grief, if I quote four modest paragraphs from four different sources to provide a fresh and UniquelyMe juxtaposition of the day’s topical ideas, my running habit will soon ding me a quarter million dollars per year. If I had that kind of money to toss to the wolves, I’d buy myself a ten percent stake in Polo team, and they’d let me wear the nice cloths and even pretend to like me, so long I didn’t show up when real decisions are made.

    We’re losing this battle slowly but surely because we’re fighting over Copyrights instead of Culturerights. Read Lessig on remix culture. I’m not going into it. It’s the least charismatic human right ever conceived. We all do it–until our self-definition threatens pizza sales–but actually talking about why it matters is duller than two teams entering bullet time to exchange tireless thrusts of the Bettman forecheck (I believe the correct notation for the Bettman forecheck is 0-1-4).

    Yesterday as I headed out in the sunshine to excise charismatic, fluffy yellow zits from my front boulevard (dressed in a floppy hat, ear protection, sun shades, and a light T-shirt) I spontaneously stared humming to myself “I’ve got a thicket to mow / I’ve got a thicket to mo-oh-oh”. I guess on that confession I now owe someone $150, as soon as I figure out where to address it in the aftermath of Steve Job’s comment that “We love the Beatles, and it has been painful being at odds with them over these trademarks.” Well, good grief, Steve, plan ahead. Minus one for his visionary legacy concerning his eventual entry into the music business. For these guys, $150 million is small change. Really, it would make a lot more sense if they just fined me $150 for trespassing on cool, and drop the elaborate pretense that this is all subsumed under property law.

    On that note, let me invest myself in another brilliant passage from Murakami. I sure hope he or his agents don’t sue my lights out for enthusing so publicly over their wares. I’m engaged here not in civil disobedience, but meta civil disobedience, in honour of Aaron Swartz, in which his lemon-stand army challenges authority to define the least transgression worthy of being offered the kind mercy of three months of felony time. Right now the definition lurks happily in the ambiguous margins of the brutality cascade, where the least such crime is not in fact a definitional matter of law, but amounts to any poor soul who attracts enough public attention to make it worth the prosecutor’s while to publicly destroy, to the furor of much promotion.

    I can pinpoint the exact moment when I first thought I could write a novel. It was around one thirty in the afternoon of April 1, 1978. I was at Jingu Stadium that day, alone in the outfield drinking beer and watching the game. Jingu Stadium was within walking distance of my apartment at the time, and I was a fairly big Yakult Swallows fan. It was a perfectly beautiful spring day, not a cloud in the sky, with a warm breeze blowing. There weren’t any benches in the outfield seating back then, just a grassy slope. I was lying on the grass, sipping cold beer, gazing up occasionally at the sky, and leisurely enjoying the game. As usual for the Swallows, the stadium wasn’t very crowded. It was the season opener, and they were taking on the Hiroshima Carp at home. I remember that Yasuda was pitching for the Swallows. He was a short, stocky sort of pitcher with a wicked curve. He easily retired the side in the top of the first inning, and in the bottom of the inning the leadoff batter for the Swallows was Dave Hilton, a young American player new to the team. Hilton got a hit down the left field line. The crack of the bat meeting the ball right at the sweet spot echoed through the stadium. Hilton easily rounded first and pulled up to second. And it was at that exact moment that a thought struck me: You know what? I could try writing a novel. I can still remember the wide open sky, the feel of the new grass, the satisfying crack of the bat. Something flew down from the sky at that instant, and whatever it was, I accepted it.

    Pure poetry; kudos also to the translator, Philip Gabriel.

    Halfway around the globe, about six months later (it’s a long migratory flight for the tiny angel of perfect wood)–on the second shift of the game–Al Hamilton lays sweet spot down from the point, ringing out that unmistakable Flin Flon twang. “Hey, you know, I could blog about this. Wait a minute! WTF is a blog? Huh, guess it will have to wait until that figures itself out. Man the leaves are nice at this time of year–this really should be an outdoor game. I sure dig those heavy sweaters. Hey, time already for another beer. Good times. Good times.”

    Fairly big? Typical Japanese understatement, it seems to me.

  119. 42 percent body fat says:

    oilgreg,

    You did the same to my comment in that respect than. I stated everyone on here wanted to trade to get geztlaf. That trade had suggestions of MPS, this years first and or second, Gagner, Klefbom and maracin.

    Second, everyone should have know Getzlaf was signing for high 7′s or 8 million dollars. So the people suggesting to trade for him should know that he was going to be a cap hindrance if we acquired him.

    I did not mean to take your comment out of context, and I get trying to make the team better this year. But getzlaf only does that for this year, not going forward. Yes Getzlaf is better than Gagner but he is older and more expensive. Winning is about finding the right balance of players abilities and their contracts. There could be an argument made that Sam is more valuable on a 4.5 contract than Getzlaf is on 8M+. Two Gagners totaling 8.5M playing second and third line, would be better than Getzlaf and a league minimum center playing on the third line, unless you have a stud draft pick playing there. However that is more to the point of Getzlafs cap hindrance.

  120. Smarmy says:

    OilClog,

    Nah I think Taylor is here for the long haul but he might just make a public statement along the lines of everyone including management needs to do a better job and the failure cascade will sprawl from there.

  121. "Steve Smith" says:

    Clarence Oveur,

    With the correct spelling, no less. I salute you, Oveur. Over.

  122. cabbiesmacker says:

    “Steve Smith”: Are there any good GM candidates named “Hi”, or similar?I can’t think of any, but if there are I automatically support him as the new GM or whatever title we’d be hiring.

    “Hire Hi, Fire Lowe!Hire Hi, Fire Lowe!”

    (Although insofar as hiring is analogous to buying, and firing is analogous to selling, that seems like terrible advice, now that I think about it.)

    Then three years later the chant would be “Sell Hi…buy Lowe….”

    Oiler fans have short memories

  123. Captain Obvious says:

    Apparently Bob Stauffer is now talking up Jack Johnson. Good grief.

  124. Woodguy says:

    Here’s something Derek Zona did on Omark in April 2011

    http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/4/30/2144221/linus-omark-scoring-chances-2010-2011

  125. cabbiesmacker says:

    Captain Obvious:
    Apparently Bob Stauffer is now talking up Jack Johnson.Good grief.

    I didn’t hear that. He said Columbus might be a good trade partner in the offseason with Johnson, Tyutin, and the Wiz being the likely candidates being that they have Murray on the way and are in a position to take Seth Jones Wiz contract too high…Johnson the underachiever…so he leaned towards Tyutin.

    I just don’t know why they’d wait until summer. BJ’s have some forwards I’d take a look at as well if they were dealing.

  126. Woodguy says:

    Bob Stauffer had a caller on today who suggested trading with CBJ for a Dman as they had some good ones and lacked skill up front.

    Bob said *slyly* “Did you intercept emails you weren’t supposed to?”

    Then Bob goes onto say that they wouldn’t want Wiz due to his contract, and that Tyutin was a Davidson guy, so that left Jack Johnson as their big trade chip.

    The suggestion was Paajarvi and a 2nd I think.

    Bob said it would happen in the summer.

    If they trade 5 at the deadline, then the Johnson deal is probably as good as done.

    If that happens I think I stop watching.

    All the pain to get lottery picks and they are going to piss these guys away buy surrounding them with players like Johnson

    If that actually happens I’m done.

  127. hockeyguy10 says:

    Gerta Rauss: Another good post Bookje-agree 100% here- we’re past the point of no return for this season-spending some assets and bringing in some short term help is crazy at this point. We should just let the season play out now and see if we can salvage anything from this road trip.Can Chito win a faceoff..?

    I think more importantly is if Chito is any good in the locker room.

  128. Woodguy says:

    cabbiesmacker: I didn’t hear that. He said Columbus might be a good trade partner in the offseason with Johnson, Tyutin, and the Wiz being the likely candidates being that they have Murray on the way and are in a position to take Seth Jones Wiz contract too high…Johnson the underachiever…so he leaned towards Tyutin.

    I just don’t know why they’d wait until summer. BJ’s have some forwards I’d take a look at as well if they were dealing.

    No, he said Tyutin is a “Davidson guy” and extolled the virtues of Johnson. Didn’t say he was an underachiever as far as I heard.

  129. Bar_Qu says:

    Does Chito like it in Edmonton? Because if he has that high of a tennis ball tenacity/60, he’s our mutt.

    More importantly, I hear he has poise.

    Chito! Chito! Chito!

  130. ScottieA says:

    Woodguy: No, he said Tyutin is a “Davidson guy” and extolled the virtues of Johnson.Didn’t say he was an underachiever as far as I heard.

    Stauffer is an absolute moron in that case.

  131. Smarmy says:

    Jack Johnson would be the most “Oilery” acquisition I could think of.

  132. Smarmy says:

    Well maybe Gaborik and Bouwmeester would be up there as Lowe really wanted them 10 years ago.

  133. cabbiesmacker says:

    Bar_Qu:
    Does Chito like it in Edmonton?Because if he has that high of a tennis ball tenacity/60, he’s our mutt.

    More importantly, I hear he has poise.

    Chito! Chito! Chito!

    As long as Chito isn’t sporting sideburns or Swedish he’s good to go.

    If he’s small enough and hasn’t been fixed he might do double duty as a shoulder or ankle massager too. (we’d have to analyze his humps/60 tho)

    Any reports on his eyeglow?

  134. godot10 says:

    The only part of the organization that Tambellini hasn’t been allowed to clean out is Lowe’s gang of buddies in pro scouting.

    So both Ron Hextall, Dean Lombardi, and John Davidson and Jarmo Kekelainen all want Paajarvi.

    Bernier has to be paid next year (RFA) which is why LA is trying to get rid of him.

    Penner is 30 something. So LA wantst a faster 22 year old Penner in Paajarvi.

    To all the guys who want a rapidly declining 30-somthing Clowe, see Ryan Smyth. At least Ryan Smyth’s contract wasn’t dangerous. A Clowe contract is a rebuild killer.

    You want to find the next Ryan Clowe, not hope the 30-something Ryan Clowe is the mid-twenties something Ryan Clowe. Hope and sentiment is not a plan.

    The Mike Brown deal shows that Lowe and his pro scout buddies are running scared. Not signing Smid, and trading for Jack Johnson is exactly something these leftover losers would propose.

    It wouldn’t kill the Oilers to give Smid the cap hit and term remaining on Jack Johnson’s contract. But change is something they can sell, and make it seem like they are doing something.

  135. denny33 says:

    GordM,

    Eric Belanger was 33 years old when we signed him…

    Did we think this numbers were going to get better as he aged into his mid 30′s…

  136. godot10 says:

    denny33:
    GordM,

    Eric Belanger was 33 years old when we signed him…

    Did we think this numbers were going to get better as he aged into his mid 30′s…

    Yet, people want Ryan Clowe.

  137. longway says:

    Woodguy,

    thanks, that doesnt seem so bad does it? half those guys are gone though so i guess we STILL don’t know if omark would fit on this team…

  138. sliderule says:

    Ok give me all the bad stats on Johnson.
    Vollmans charts show him getting pretty tough zone starts and quality of comp in 2011-12.

    In watching the oilers against jackets I haven’t noticed him to much except the last game were I thought I saw him good.

    So were is the problem?

  139. sliderule says:

    Don’t bother with stats cap geek gave me answer.It’s contract

  140. CrazyCoach says:

    Clarence Oveur:
    Does Tambellini like movies about gladiators?

    I bet he likes hanging out in gyms and in 30th place!

  141. Woodguy says:

    Smarmy:
    Jack Johnson would be the most “Oilery” acquisition I could think of.

    Agreed

  142. denny33 says:

    godot10,

    I really, really, really like Ryan Clowe but at 30 – I think you might be right. It might be a stretch to think his best years are in his mid 30′s….see Belanger for teaching me this lesson.

    It is just that I am so desperate for a player of this ilk -I am stretching …..and I have little faith in current management to find one in the draft. Unless that was the ‘grand plan’ all along to get a power forward in this deep draft..

  143. spoiler says:

    Clarence Oveur: Does Tambellini like movies about gladiators?

    No. But he LOVES movies about gladioli!

  144. denny33 says:

    godot10,

    Point taken…

  145. DBO says:

    godot10: Yet, people want Ryan Clowe.

    Clowe is 30, still moves the puck the right direction, brings physical play on a regular basis and could be had on a value deal for 2 or 3 years. My point has always been that we sign vets who are 27-30 and whose deals are done well before 35 (the cliff). Penner and Clowe would all have value for 2 or 3 years and still have the ability to contribute. Sorry, but Smyth last year was OK and a solid 3rd liner. I wouldn’t want Clowe to be more then a 2nd LW and Penner a 3 LW. Size never goes away and we need it. I posted the advanced stats yesterday that shows they both are still solid players who are having down years but on this team would be solid players in comparison to what we have.

    30 is a very different age to start a contract then 33 or 35. Big drop offs at those points, so go get 30 year olds on 2 yr deals. We have a 2 year window before Yak gets paid, which is the tipping point for this team as 5 high end dollar players (Ebs, Hall, Nuge and Shultz) is tough. 2 year deals, even on overpays for players that have what we lack and are not too old.

  146. godot10 says:

    denny33:
    godot10,

    I really, really, really like Ryan Clowe but at 30 – I think you might be right. It might be a stretch to think his best years are in his mid 30′s….see Belanger for teaching me this lesson.

    It is just that I am so desperate for a player of this ilk -I am stretching …..and I have little faith in current management to find one in the draft. Unless that was the ‘grand plan’ all along to get a power forward in this deep draft..

    That is what one needs competent pro scouts for, to scour 3rd and 4th lines of NHL teams and the AHL looking for 20-somethings who will become the next Ryan Clowe.

  147. denny33 says:

    I love them together don’t get me wrong…Devils Advocate.

    Maybe we should spread our 1st overalls over 3 lines and rarely play the 4th line….

    I mean -RNH, Hall and Eberle on one line? Spread some wealth to the 3rd line -especially with Horcoff back now.

    Clutching at straws…..I admit it.

  148. spoiler says:

    DBO: Clowe is 30, still moves the puck the right direction, brings physical play on a regular basis and could be had on a value deal for 2 or 3 years. My point has always been that we sign vets who are 27-30 and whose deals are done well before 35 (the cliff). Penner and Clowe would all have value for 2 or 3 years and still have the ability to contribute. Sorry, but Smyth last year was OK and a solid 3rd liner. I wouldn’t want Clowe to be more then a 2nd LW and Penner a 3 LW. Size never goes away and we need it. I posted the advanced stats yesterday that shows they both are still solid players who are having down years but on this team would be solid players in comparison to what we have. 30 is a very different age to start a contract then 33 or 35. Big drop offs at those points, so go get 30 year olds on 2 yr deals. We have a 2 year window before Yak gets paid, which is the tipping point for this team as 5 high end dollar players (Ebs, Hall, Nuge and Shultz) is tough. 2 year deals, even on overpays for players that have what we lack and are not too old.

    How do we get Ryan Clowe on a value contract in the midst of an UFA bidding war?

  149. godot10 says:

    DBO: Clowe is 30, still moves the puck the right direction, brings physical play on a regular basis and could be had on a value deal for 2 or 3 years. My point has always been that we sign vets who are 27-30 and whose deals are done well before 35 (the cliff). Penner and Clowe would all have value for 2 or 3 years and still have the ability to contribute. Sorry, but Smyth last year was OK and a solid 3rd liner. I wouldn’t want Clowe to be more then a 2nd LW and Penner a 3 LW. Size never goes away and we need it. I posted the advanced stats yesterday that shows they both are still solid players who are having down years but on this team would be solid players in comparison to what we have.

    30 is a very different age to start a contract then 33 or 35. Big drop offs at those points, so go get 30 year olds on 2 yr deals. We have a 2 year window before Yak gets paid, which is the tipping point for this team as 5 high end dollar players (Ebs, Hall, Nuge and Shultz) is tough. 2 year deals, even on overpays for players that have what we lack and are not too old.

    Did Sather keep Semenko and Dave Hunter around into their mid-thirties. Nope. Found the next versions of those guys.

    You kill the rebuild building around 30-something veterans. And if they still are any good, you make your window so short, that actual contending becomes a flip of the coin. And there is no value-for-money here either. You pay top dollar for a asset poised to decline rapidly.

    Your concept is right. You’re proposed execution/solution is wrong.

  150. Woodguy says:

    Here is a link to Bob talking about trading for Johnson:

    http://www.630ched.com/Podcasts/Episodes.aspx?PID=2254

    March 8th – 3rd half hour the call starts at 14:20

    On second listening it sounds like Bob is most surprised (in terms of guessing right)when the guy mentions Whitney and Paajarvi/Omark for a gritty Wing makes sense.

    I thought that too and mentioned in a thread I fear Whitney + Pajaarvi for an Eaves type.

    I would be cool with Whitney + Omark for Eaves.

    If the Oilers trade Paajarvi, they will lose the trade.

    Eaves is actually a decent player for what he is, but he has an injury history and is signed through the end of next year so he’s perfect Oiler trade acquisition.

  151. Lucinius says:

    spoiler,

    Shoot anyone who outbids you.

    Or, more realistically you threaten to lock them in a room with Petrell. He’s got that crazy uncle, molester look to him sometimes.

    And actually seriously; you don’t, but you try to play up the ‘we got the kids! We’re going to be GGGGGRRRRRREAAAAT!’ and forget to mention your club is run like the Oakland Seals on a bad day.

  152. VanOil says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    Sold. If Murakami is worth mentioning in two post from you it is worth me reading. I have just picked up two of his books and look forward to them picking me up from my ~mid season and its all over~ Oilers malaise. Cheers

  153. Woodguy says:

    godot10: That is what one needs competent pro scouts for, to scour 3rd and 4th lines of NHL teams and the AHL looking for 20-somethings who will become the next Ryan Clowe.

    Agreed.

    I’d have 2 people at every AHL game recording possession stats and find the diamonds in the rough.

    If every AHL game was available on demand I’d then have them re-watch it and check their work.

  154. godot10 says:

    Ryan Clowe’s are for contender’s looking for a final piece or for depth. They are NOT for rebuilding teams.

  155. Woodguy says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    Or maybe when the Al Gore grows up and becomes the Old Growth Gore

    Awesome.

  156. GordM says:

    denny33,

    I’m not suggesting they should have expected identical production from Eric Belanger 33-35 as he displayed 31-32. However…I will cut them a break for not predicting a 75% drop off in goal production from a player that has been scoring between 10-20 goals the previous 8 NHL seasons.

  157. "Steve Smith" says:

    Why would they trade with Columbus for a defenceman picked third overall, when they could have had one picked first overall for nothing on the waiver wire? Abject nonsense, if you ask me.

    (On that note, how come nobody ever asks me?)

  158. DBO says:

    godot10:
    Ryan Clowe’s are for contender’s looking for a final piece or for depth. They are NOT for rebuilding teams.

    Agreed to an extent. Our issue is that we have no one to bridge the gap to our youth. We need someone in here for the next 2-3 years who can play a decent role, still contribute and hold down a spot from merit until some of our other youth are ready. You also need someone to take the pressure off the kids without killing your cap. Our issue is that we will not be bidding for the big stars (And Clowe and Penner are not those, off years, lesser money), and unless the mythical 3 for 1 deal happens (and honestly I pray it doesn’t because I have zero confidence that this management group can win that trade) we need complementary pieces.

    I’m fine passing on the 30 year olds, but you better add some 27/28 years olds with some NHL experience and who can play a top 9 role for a few years. If all we do is add solid AHL guys who are 23, then we are still “rebuilding”. Based on this blog I assumed we were supposed to be done rebuilding, and now we are adding appliances because the foundation of the house is done. You need to add real NHL players, not AHL vets who haven’t gotten a shot or are diamond in the roughs. I’m OK with college players (mentioned CBC sports article earlier) as possible options but they can’t be it. We need real NHL players who add what we lack = size, experience, grit, etc. We do need those things as long as they belong to a real NHL player not 35 yrs plus.

  159. Scotty LaDouche says:

    This teams management Tamblowes.

  160. spoiler says:

    It’s interesting, to me anyways, that it came out through Friedman’s column this week that the Cole for Ryder trade was all about money.

    Not role, not fit, not player, not anything other than the Stars preferring the cost certainty of Cole to the big bucks Ryder is going to get as a pending UFA (either before or during the silly season).

    There must be other teams where this can be exploited. Florida was certainly hurt by the Bergenheim ruling (again as per Friedman), and other smaller market US teams treading water in the crumbling US economy are probably in the same boat. Isles are in deep trouble and likely up for sale, Phoenix has yet to make it out of trouble, Colorado and Dallas are operating on internal budgets, as well as ANA, NAS, CLB, CAR… Buffalo might also be looking to shake things up.

    And the one year cap drop has GMs a little freaked out.

    As things get closer to the deadline I think we will see plenty of action this year.

  161. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    Here is a link to Bob talking about trading for Johnson:

    http://www.630ched.com/Podcasts/Episodes.aspx?PID=2254

    WG, after listening to the link, I feel Bob may have a point in suggesting CBJ would most want to ship out Jack Johnson. Of the 3 highley paid Dman they have he is the bad hockey player, his Corsi #’s would break the minds of Oilers fans, already heartbroken from past failures. I hope Bob was not suggesting we trade for him and from what I heard he suggests Detroit was a better option. If Detroit wants Whitney and Omark fair play an 86 Fiero would be fair compensation at this point.

  162. FrankenOil says:

    OilClog,

    Awesome way to sum it up

  163. godot10 says:

    The Oilers added mid/early-twenty something Jason Smith and Steve Staios when they were at the bottom of NHL rosters, prime to become the Jason Smith and the Steve Staios we know. Ditto Moreau. Ditto Reasoner. Ditto Raffi Torres. Ditto Eric Brewer. That is how Lowe used to do it when he had no money.

    How did giving Steve Staois that Ryan-Clowe-type of contract after the Stanley run work out? The Ryan-Clowe-type contract to Moreau?

    The pro scouts have to get back to work, looking for the value-for-money next guy, not the expensive declining guy.

  164. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:
    Here is a link to Bob talking about trading for Johnson:

    http://www.630ched.com/Podcasts/Episodes.aspx?PID=2254

    I thought that too and mentioned in a thread I fear Whitney + Pajaarvi for an Eaves type.

    I would be cool with Whitney + Omark for Eaves.

    If the Oilers trade Paajarvi, they will lose the trade.

    Eaves is actually a decent player for what he is, but he has an injury history and is signed through the end of next year so he’s perfect Oiler trade acquisition.

    I’d rather they chase Abdellkader than Eaves, can play Lw and C, and I wouldn’t give up MPS in a deal for either.

  165. cabbiesmacker says:

    godot10:
    The Oilers added mid/early-twenty something Jason Smith and Steve Staios when they were at the bottom of NHL rosters, prime to become the Jason Smith and the Steve Staios we know.Ditto Moreau.Ditto Reasoner.Ditto Raffi Torres.Ditto Eric Brewer. That is how Lowe used to do it when he had no money.

    How did giving Steve Staois that Ryan-Clowe-type of contract after the Stanley run work out?The Ryan-Clowe-type contract to Moreau?

    The pro scouts have to get back to work, looking for the value-for-money next guy, not the expensive declining guy.

    Jimmy Hayes and Ben Smith in Chicago/Rockford would be both be decent chases.

  166. FrankenOil says:

    Woodguy,

    I would think the AHL guys are doing a good job looking for players – See Arcobello, Deck and getting Cheechoo. My fear is that Tambo doesn’t listen to Bill Scott (the GM) or anyone else down there.

  167. FrankenOil says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Dustin Jeffrey in Pitt is intriguing as well.

  168. godot10 says:

    Marchant and Grier were also young bottom of the roster players when the Oilers acquired them.

    Moneypuck means that one scours for the undervalued young players who will become value for money mid career players, and when they have become Ryan Clowe, and need to be paid, you dump them.

  169. ScottieA says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    You speak with too much logic. That’s why no one asked you.

    On a side note, how does the world of lawyering go Steve?

  170. FrankenOil says:

    Now I’m not sure of Letestu’s secondary numnbers, but in the games I’ve seen him in (a few Pens games and CBJ games) and I still can’t believe Howson got him for a 4th round pick which was a steal. Tambo, on the other hand, burs a 4th for a guy that is so redundant that they could’ve picked up a better version on waivers in Tom Kostopoulos (albeit older) if they waited one day?

  171. cabbiesmacker says:

    FrankenOil:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Dustin Jeffrey in Pitt is intriguing as well.

    Thought he’d break out last season but he didn’t hang around long….mostly due to injury I believe

  172. DBO says:

    godot10,

    I’m not disagreeing with you that our pro scouts suck balls and we often overpay our own guys. But once again I look at age. Staios was 33 when he was signed to a 4 year deal. Moreau was 30 yes., but he was a role player who got grossly overpaid. He never was a scorer and should never have been given that contract. Overpay for what he brought. Clowe is a much better player then Moreau, and I only advocated a 2 year deal, not the 5 yr deal Moreau got from the retards up in management. We need some 2-3 yr deals for guys who can play for at least 2 or 3 more years, not 33 and 35 yr olds.

    We should not be rebuilding dammit. We should be adding solid depth on 2 year deals. Not AHL and college guys who we expect to save us, and not 35 yr olds who are dying on the ice. Funny, but Horcoff is 34 and still a contributor., yes his deal is horrible, but he is and has been a solid 3rd liner miscast as a 2nd liner. Clowe would be a solid 3rd liner who can play 2nd line.

    Sorry to hijack this thread, just think we need to decide what we are. Are we rebuilding again? Are we just adding missing pieces to finish this team? Or are we contenders adding 1 piece? I argue we are the middle one, adding pieces as our kids grow. If we are rebuilding still then fire everyone. If we are adding, then I stick to the fact that Clowe type guys are needed. I’ll take a Brouwer, a Boyle (both 27), someone of that ilk in order to complement the skill kids who actually play with passion and grit and who can actually play a top 9 role..

  173. jb says:

    Wait Paajarvi’s good again? I thought he was a useless bust not even a month ago? No Horcoff to blame anymore, we all know we can’t blame the kids (yet). People need to blame so we’ve moved on to fire management and our bottom 6 is the worst ever?

    Apparently the organizations given up on Smid as well. Wow, you can learn so much from reading blogs.

  174. spoiler says:

    DBO: godot10, I’m not disagreeing with you that our pro scouts suck balls and we often overpay our own guys. But once again I look at age. Staios was 33 when he was signed to a 4 year deal. Moreau was 30 yes., but he was a role player who got grossly overpaid. He never was a scorer and should never have been given that contract. Overpay for what he brought. Clowe is a much better player then Moreau, and I only advocated a 2 year deal, not the 5 yr deal Moreau got from the retards up in management. We need some 2-3 yr deals for guys who can play for at least 2 or 3 more years, not 33 and 35 yr olds. We should not be rebuilding dammit. We should be adding solid depth on 2 year deals. Not AHL and college guys who we expect to save us, and not 35 yr olds who are dying on the ice. Funny, but Horcoff is 34 and still a contributor., yes his deal is horrible, but he is and has been a solid 3rd liner miscast as a 2nd liner. Clowe would be a solid 3rd liner who can play 2nd line. Sorry to hijack this thread, just think we need to decide what we are. Are we rebuilding again? Are we just adding missing pieces to finish this team? Or are we contenders adding 1 piece? I argue we are the middle one, adding pieces as our kids grow. If we are rebuilding still then fire everyone. If we are adding, then I stick to the fact that Clowe type guys are needed. I’ll take a Brouwer, a Boyle (both 27), someone of that ilk in order to complement the skill kids who actually play with passion and grit and who can actually play a top 9 role..

    Why would Clowe sign a 2-3 year deal with you when other teams are going to offer him more term? To a certain degree, Clowe is going to dictate the terms of his next contract.

  175. VanOil says:

    Do Eager and Petrell drawing in improve our bottom six? Do they fuck. Maybe if the Oilers were a 4th division mixed sex beer league team looking for some grit in a no contact league, they be the ticket.

    For the NHL dare I suggest Cheechoo and a guitar picker they pickup busking in front of the Grand Ole Oprey would be a better choice. Sure he is unlikely to know how to skate but how is that a drawback at this point? At least he would have fresh legs.

    tFif I am going to need drink to get through this one I can feel it my bones.

  176. godot10 says:

    It is like the Oilers pro scouts stopped working once the Oilers had money around 2005. Before 2005 the Oilers had to go find cheap emerging value-for-money players to be competitive. Then the Oilers got money and started whale hunting and starting paying 30-something players money and term (there own and in the UFA market).

    And for all the Tambellini haters out there, pro scouting is the only area of the organization which he has not been allowed to fix.

    Lowe and MacT’s buddies are still all there.

  177. spoiler says:

    Gregor is right in that the Vande Velde move is a bit perplexing… why not wait one day and give Smyth’s poor legs a break on a back-to-back? Or is knocking Smyth back to 4th line minutes that break?

  178. DBO says:

    spoiler,

    True, which is why you walk away if that’s the case. he is merely an example of the type of guy we need. 4 years for $4 mill = walk away. 2 years for $4 mill = I would do it. Dollar overpay (which unfortunately we still have to do to get guys to sign here) but term is fine and he brings something we lack and can play 2 LW for 2 years (which is what we need).

    I do think we will only get these kinds of players with trades. Find a way to get Boyle and Brouwer and at least our compete level and our size increases inside of players who can actually play. They aren’t world beaters but we already have those, so get some better role players.

  179. leadfarmer says:

    Is it too early to start pointing fingers at Krueger. I know he is well spoken and all. But the breakout has been terrible for 20 games now and with no signs of improvement. It’s like the other team is trapping at our blue line without actually having to trap. With all this speed on this team you think we’d get a few odd man rushes the other way. I’m not advocating firing him, but he needs to change some things up. Put this team up against Lemaires wild teams of the previous few years and neither team would break 10 shots on goal.

  180. leadfarmer says:

    Anyone have a lineup for the game?

  181. DBO says:

    From Copper and Blue. Not sure if it is exact:

    Taylor Hall – Ryan Nugent-Hopkins – Nail Yakupov

    Magnus Paajarvi – Sam Gagner – Jordan Eberle

    Ryan Jones – Eric Belanger – Lennart Petrell

    Ben Eager – Ryan Smyth – Mike Brown

    Ladislav Smid – Jeff Petry

    Justin Schultz – Nick Schultz

    Theo Peckham – Ryan Whitney

    Devan Dubnyk

  182. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ralphy at the morning skate:

    “We’ve got Ales Hemsky out of the lineup tonight so we will be working with the 12 forwards that are still here,” said Krueger. “Expecting Shawn Horcoff back soon but not today.”

    The head coach also added that in addition to the deletion from the lineup of Hemsky and VandeVelde coupled with the insertion of Lennart Petrell and Ben Eager, Corey Potter comes out with Theo Peckham drawing back in.

    Devan Dubnyk is also starting in goal while Ryan Smyth will play centre.

    “Yes, definitely,” Kreuger remarked. “Ryan Smyth will be playing at centre. We just made the decision on Hemsky now so we’ll have a coaches meeting to finalize the lineup. I can’t tell you which combinations will be going until the warm-up tonight.”

  183. Woodguy says:

    OilClog:
    Woodguy,

    MPS better damn well play every game.. well forever as an Edmonton Oiler from here forth.

    But…

    I’m betting the return for MPS and a 2nd round draft pick.. will be a bottom 6 forward with grit, north american birthplace, plenty of poise, and around the age of 34.

    I fear that as well.

  184. spoiler says:

    DBO: spoiler, True, which is why you walk away if that’s the case. he is merely an example of the type of guy we need. 4 years for $4 mill = walk away. 2 years for $4 mill = I would do it. Dollar overpay (which unfortunately we still have to do to get guys to sign here) but term is fine and he brings something we lack and can play 2 LW for 2 years (which is what we need).I do think we will only get these kinds of players with trades. Find a way to get Boyle and Brouwer and at least our compete level and our size increases inside of players who can actually play. They aren’t world beaters but we already have those, so get some better role players.

    What assets are you going to offer for these bottom 6 role players?

  185. DBO says:

    spoiler,

    I put forth Hemsky for Brouwer. Skill drop, but money saved, younger and plays physical and has size. It also allows you to play Yakupov at 1 or 2 RW. Balance out roster. ANd he can play centre in a pinch, or at least take draws (over 53% this year. small size, i think like 80 + draws)

    As for Boyle, no idea, but with D hurting in Ranger land maybe you can package Whitney and prospects for Boyle. Torts likes vets, so maybe Belanger and Whitney works. Although I fear that is the kind of deal we make when we choose not to sign Smid. I would hate that as we should sign Smid and do it yesterday. As long as Harsky and Paajarvi are not on the way out then I’m fine with anyone but the top end kids.

  186. Clarence Oveur says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Dunn and I were under Oveur, even though I was under Dunn.

  187. "Steve Smith" says:

    Clarence Oveur,

    I don’t understand where Ralph Twice figures into this.

  188. hunter1909 says:

    I expect Tambellini to sell whatever dross he’s got to offer unless they basically start winning as of tonight.

    I also expect Edmonton to be a highly sought destination for these players some of you believe the team needs to trade MPS away for. IMO they don’t need to trade anyone like that, and unless they do I’ll not fret.

    Meanwhile tonight’s game is on inside the hour, so I’ll prognosticate a 0-0 tie until Nashville score 2-12 minutes in, then game over for the plucky Oilers.

    HAPPY THOUGHT FOR ALL: Short season!

  189. leadfarmer says:

    DBO,

    Well our 3rd line should be a 4th line and the 4th line should be in the AHL, or retired. Since we are going against a team with even less offense than we can muster this should be an exciting game, like one of those 0-0 soccer games.

  190. Mr DeBakey says:

    <i.Moneypuck means that one scours for the undervalued young players who will become value for money mid career players,

    A nice, concrete example of this might be signing Craig Anderson for $3.6 Million over 2 years instead an aging ring bearer at $3.75 Million Per year for four, long years.

  191. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    It’s interesting, to me anyways, that it came out through Friedman’s column this week that the Cole for Ryder trade was all about money.

    Not role, not fit, not player, not anything other than the Stars preferring the cost certainty of Cole to the big bucks Ryder is going to get as a pending UFA (either before or during the silly season).

    There must be other teams where this can be exploited. Florida was certainly hurt by the Bergenheim ruling (again as per Friedman), and other smaller market US teams treading water in the crumbling US economy are probably in the same boat.Isles are in deep trouble and likely up for sale, Phoenix has yet to make it out of trouble, Colorado and Dallas are operating on internal budgets, as well as ANA, NAS, CLB, CAR…Buffalo might also be looking to shake things up.

    This is a great post

  192. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Why would they trade with Columbus for a defenceman picked third overall, when they could have had one picked first overall for nothing on the waiver wire?Abject nonsense, if you ask me.

    (On that note, how come nobody ever asks me?)

    Taking notes.

  193. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    pass those notes to Tamblowe

  194. Lowetide says:

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  195. DBO says:

    leadfarmer,

    Totally agree. We lack real NHL player depth and a giant lack of passion or effort.

  196. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    So how bad is our depth when the NHL 4th line centre goes down to the minors and is our AHL 4th line centre. Wow.

  197. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: This is a great post

    OEL’s first contract expires this year. Coyotes have the space, but do they have the actual money? Does his agent want him stuck on a team in limbo? Is he going to make Phoenix pay for that right?

    He’s target #1, in my opinion. And I’d be willing to let this year’s 1st go to do it, but I would start the bidding at the 2014 1st along with a top prospect and an NHL player, say Jones caliber and see where it takes me.

  198. Lowetide says:

    DBO:
    Lowetide,

    So how bad is our depth when the NHL 4th line centre goes down to the minors and is our AHL 4th line centre. Wow.

    Yeah, agreed. Lander would have kept VV out of the NHL this season, but he didn’t belong either. None of these guys can piss a drop on offense.

  199. leadfarmer says:

    spoiler,

    OEL is just too good to trade. If he was just a step lower Phoenix would probably trade him for more offensive help since their defensive depth is pretty good including prospect wise. But there is no way they will trade OEL.

  200. spoiler says:

    leadfarmer: OEL is just too good to trade. If he was just a step lower Phoenix would probably trade him for more offensive help since their defensive depth is pretty good including prospect wise. But there is no way they will trade OEL.

    It might be out of their hands.

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