OILERS AT PREDATORS G31 (12-13) 25.3.13

Steve Tambellini took over as Oilers GM late summer 2008. The business of the 2008 off-season was done–Jordan Eberle was drafted, Lubo had been acquired for Stoll & Greene, Raffi had been sent away for Gilbert Brule, Erik Cole was an Oiler at the cost of Joni Pitkanen and the free agent signing of note that summer was Jason Strudwick. All of those things happened before Steve Tambellini got to Edmonton July 31, 2008.

If we made a list of major events that Steve Tambellini has watched over since his arrival, how many of them can we absolutely say were made to improve the team right away? I’m talking about a trade like the Lubo pickup–an effort to improve performance immediately. Here are the major events of Steve Tambellini’s first year as GM:

  1. September 30, 2008: Claimed Steve MacIntyre on waivers from Florida Panthers. This transaction is notable for two reasons: first, during the Tambellini era the Oilers have endured a plethora of enforcers and Coke Machines who can’t actually take a pass/make a pass or move the puck forward. MacT had always employed BG, who could do a few more things than your average player in this role. Edmonton’s enforcers have been a moving target during these years, suggesting the club didn’t really solve the problem (although recent pickup Mike Brown appears to be the real deal). The second reason it’s notable is that ST used the waiver wire, something we’ve seen many times (Jesse Boulerice, Ryan Jones) during his time here.
  2. January 17, 2009: Traded G Mathieu Garon to Pittsburgh for L Ryan Stone, G Dany Sabourin and a 2011 4th round selection (Tobias Rieder). Here we see another trend for Tambellini, adding draft picks and minor league players while sending away NHL players. Garon remains an NHL goaltender, while Stone and Sabourin are outside the league and Rieder is finally ready to turn pro. I would characterize these trades as ‘crippling’ at the NHL level while giving the scouting staff another bullet to cash down the line.
  3. March 4, 2009: Traded L Erik Cole and a 2009 5th round pick (Matt Kennedy) in exchange for L Patrick O’Sullivan and R Ales Kotalik. The trade was a little more complicated than that, Edmonton held LA’s 2nd rd pick for a second (Jesse Blacker) before sending it on for Kotalik.  As with the Garon trade, Cole remains an NHL player but O’Sullivan and Kotalik are on the outside looking in.
  4. April 15, 2009: Fired Craig MacTavish. It’s kind of funny now, firing the coach who won 38 games and 85 points in the 2008-09 season. Tambellini’s replacements would not do as well.
  5. May 26, 2009: Oilers hire Pat Quinn as head coach and Tom Renney as Associate Coach, with Kelly Buchberger staying on as assistant coach. Charlie Huddy was out of work for about 5 minutes, and the Oilers began a period of transition that may not be over at the coaching position. One of the things about living in Edmonton is that you hear things, and the Quinn experiment may have been exposed as doomed early on. Coach Renney would be relied on during the year and of course has other chapters in this piece. I found Quinn to be a fun quote and a fascinating addition. I don’t think there are many men in the coaching profession who would have put JFJ on the 1line.
  6. June 27, 2009: Oilers trade C Kyle Brodziak and a 6th rd pick in 2009 draft (Darcy Kuemper) to Minnesota for 4th rd pick (Kyle Bigos) and a 5th rd pick (Olivier Roy). As with many of Tambellini’s trades, he seems to have cornered the “subtraction by subtraction” market from his opposition GMs. Brodziak has been very productive and Kuemper beat both Bigos and Roy to the NHL, impressing many with his 2013 debut. As with so many of the trades during the Tambellini era, players are sent away for no immediate help.
  7. July 1, 2009: Oilers sign G Nikolai Khabibulin to a 4-year, $15 million dollar contract. Tambellini’s signature move came in his first sojourn into July 1st free agency and he gave both extreme dollars and term to an old goaltender, once again choosing “the path less trodden” as his best option. Khabibulin rewarded ST with a 31-78 W-L record and some bad PR.
  8. July 9, 2009: Oilers trade F Tim Sestito to New Jersey for a conditional pick. I list this transaction because Sestito is still getting into NHL games (3 this season) and the Oilers are still waiting for their pick.
  9. September 10, 2009: Oilers sign C Mike Comrie to a 1-year contract. Comrie never really got to show his stuff completely healthy, but it was a nice feel good story if you forget about the Corey Perry part of the story.

This brings us to the end of Tambellini’s first full season as GM. Among the players he acquired by trade, waiver or free agency, only Nikolai Khabibulin remains in the league and unless Tambellini signs him again that should be taken care of in 18 games. Among the men he sent away, Matheiu Garon, Erik Cole, Craig MacTavish, Kyle Brodziak, Darcy Kuemper and Tim Sestito remain in the league. Tomorrow: flushing forwards, 10 at a time.

Jonathan Willis is going some great things with zone entries (Bruce McCurdy doing the same with exits) over at Cult of Hockey.

  • Willis: The Oilers had exactly one shot (and I’m including missed shots here) off 43 uncontrolled 5v5 zone entries. Mind boggling.

The Oilers have been creative in the neutral zone in spurts this season, with passes to wingers in full stride and such, but they’re not good at retrieval when Hartikainen doesn’t dress and Smyth fading. I wonder if this size/puck retrieval/PF thing will reach a fever pitch, and if that happens I wonder if the Oilers will end up dealing a Yakupov for a Lucic. I’m beyond saying things are impossible, we’re through the looking glass here people.

Nashville is the place Edmonton played one of their really poor games this season (along with the early SJS game and Saturday’s Blues tilt at home), losing 6-0 on March 8th. Edmonton played much better in a 3-2 win just over a week ago at home. Barry Trotz has now won 516 games with Nashville, in a third place tie all-time for wins by a coach with one organization:

  1. Al Arbour, NYI (740)
  2. Lindy Ruff, Buffalo (578)
  3. Billy Reay, Chicago (516)
  4. Barry Trotz, Nashville (516)
  5. Toe Blake, Montreal (500)
  6. Glen Sather, Edmonton (464)
  7. Dick Irvin, Montreal (431)
  8. Scotty Bowman, Montreal (419)
  9. Jack Adams, Detroit (413)
  10. Scotty Bowman, Detroit (410)

Devan Dubnyk

There is a sense of urgency for the Oilers now, best reflected in the words of the coach:

  • Krueger: “We need to go back on the road and play very special hockey now, in Nashville and then again in St. Louis. Anything less than three points here in the next two games will make things difficult. We would have liked to have at least six points on this home stand.”

The Oilers will have RNH back, which probably means the club will be sending out Hartikainen. I expect this will be a paper move, there should be a few transactions by the weekend.

Jim Matheson has a note up about Laddy Smid’s situation:

  • If the Edmonton Oilers believe unrestricted free agent Ladislav Smid is part of their core (he certainly is, and could easily have an A on his jersey), then they will offer him a five-year contract for likely $17.5 million and get the deal done before the April 3 trade deadline.

I think it’ll cost more, but you never know.

birkin2

 

Youth is a funny thing. The world worships youth nowadays, but 30 years ago experience had value and it still does when there’s a job to do well. I think that’s the lesson for the Oilers this week: Dan DeKeyser may be a plug and play, but replacing Ladislav Smid with a player that has zero NHL experience is not the plan of wise men.

The Oilers have D prospects as far as the eye can see, and it’s likely that one or two of them (say Klefbom and Simpson) will end up being significant top 4D talents. DeKeyser may be a head of them, but they still need transitional blue, and Smid is that at the very least.

Sign the man.

mar 25

 

Oilers won’t move up the standings much (if at all, PHX plays too) tonight, but a clear win puts them 1 point behind Nashville with two games in hand. All is not lost, but a repeat of last season’s elevator shaft trip through games 30-40 (2-9-0) is a must to avoid.

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  1. Jordan says:

    a repeat of last season’s elevator shaft trip through games 30-40 (2-9-0) is a must to avoid.

    Unless the tank job is still on.

    Out of the multitude of intelligent hockey men attending this blog, what would you rather see happen:

    1 – Sell at the deadline (no specific assets, but presumably for fair market value) and give up on the post season this year.

    2 – Stand pat and see where the ship that tambellini built goes.

    3 – Trade the future for the present (presuming fair market again) to make the post season.

    I’m thinking 1 at this point – “the odds are against us and the situation is grim” and I don’t foresee any Kirks showing up to save the day.

    Honestly, I’d rather see Management recognize they failed, then do nothing and lose value, or move out value for a quick fix. But then again, I’m one of those guys who thinks it’s not about whether you win or lose, but if you can acquire more good NHL players.

  2. nelson88 says:

    Matheson’s comments are both encouraging and would be in the ball park I would think. Your right that it could cost more but with a guy who wants a long term deal and likes/has ties to the city I have always thought 4 or 5 years at $3.5M sounds about right. Here’s hoping.

  3. Woodguy says:

    Don’t worry LT.

    According to guys like Ducey its been the plan for ST to be historically inept at this job.

    Patience LT. The plan is unfolding perfectly.

    Except, you know…. they have all these 1st rounders and are still the 2nd worst team in Fenclose in the league (which is an excellent predictor of points/wins)

    Assholes.

    Toilet Bowl standings: (every team in the NHL under .500pts%)

    WASHINGTON 0.484
    NY ISLANDERS 0.484
    PHOENIX 0.484
    EDMONTON 0.483
    BUFFALO 0.469
    CALGARY 0.467
    PHILADELPHIA 0.452
    TAMPA BAY 0.422
    COLORADO 0.419
    FLORIDA 0.364

    Couple more losses and its bottom 5 territory.

    I expect CAL and PHI to finish ahead of EDM. not sure of anyone else.

    Its funny, the more I get into fancystats, the more I come to the same conclusion that Vic Ferrari did.

    Goaltending is everything.

    Teams get hot SH% wise (see ANA with their ridiculous 11.5% team number), but a 82 game season is usually enough time to regression to real numbers.

    SV% on the other hand can be hot for a whole year (see Elliott las year) and horrid SV% can sink a team with good possession numbers (see STL results this year with Elliott)

    Other teams that have decent possession numbers that have been sunk by poor goaltending is CAL (.884 5v5 SV%), NYI (.889), PHI (.899) and FLA (.901)

    Its amazing that STL has as many wins as they do with a .901%. Just shows how dominate they are at possession. If a goalie can get his shit together on that team they might come out of the West.

    Also,

    This game is more winnable than tomorrow vs. STL.

    I really couldn’t give a shit if the Oilers win or lose though.

    We’re at the end of 14, 4, and 91′s ELCs and the Oilers are still a terrible team.

    Good goaltending has made them look better than they are.

    The kids are not the problem, its everyone around the kids.

    Its terrible and disheartening to watch because it was avoidable.

  4. russ99 says:

    Jordan,

    Anything but #1 is Oilers management deluding themselves, though what do we have to sell with any real value?

    Gagner shouldn’t be moved after the year he’s had, and certainly not when we’re down to 2-3 centers; Smid should also be-resigned. So that leaves Hemsky – and we’re back to last year again.

    If anyone gives us anything decent for a rental of a less than mobile Whitney, I’d be surprised. The rest of the detritus, we’d be lucky if we can get higher than a fourth round pick for any of ‘em, and only a few fourth rounders turn into something decent.

  5. BlacqueJacque says:

    So did anybody notice the invincible St. Louis Blues get handily beaten by the Flames?

  6. Traktor says:

    I wonder if Lowetide still admires the Calgary/Sutter trade picks for veterans approach.

    Clearly that’s the best way to build a team.

  7. Woodguy says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    So did anybody notice the invincible St. Louis Blues get handily beaten by the Flames?

    2nd night a of a back to back and CAL wins by one.

    Good teams win 6 of 10 games.

    Very good teams with 6.5-7 games out of 10.

    STL outshot CAL 38-17

    Hitch started Halak in back to back nights. Shuts out the Oil and shits the bed against CAL (.824)

  8. sliderule says:

    Yakupov for Lucic..It will be Yakupov for a Lucic lite that will get few points and be out of NHL in a hurry.

    You watch the oil are going to start to trade guys like Gagner Eberle Yakupov and maybe even Hall for big players that are just about done.If you think it’s been painful watching this just wait.

    I can hardly wait to read the next installment on how well we have done moving forwards.

  9. Traktor says:

    I’m not going to go through Lowetide’s entire list but lets just look at the Garon trade for a minute

    Garon was asking for a 3-4 year contract extension at over 3M per season. In hindsight it was wise to let him walk and simply good asset management to get a draft pick for someone that is no longer in the teams plans. But LT tells half the truth and puts a CNN spin on the trade.

    I’m not saying Tambellini is (insert some brilliant GM from 50 years ago here) and I know LT is just trying to prove a point but a little accuracy isn’t going to land Tambo a 10 year extension.

  10. rich says:

    Scored a ticket to tonights game. Am excited to have a chance to watch the kids play, but fully expect NAS to suffocate them.

    I can’t thank Katz enough for doing a splendid job of turning this team into the NYI West. Lowe’s hand remains firm on the organization and he has been brutal since 2006. Tambellini is just a symptom of the rot infecting senior management. The approach he takes can work, but either he is relying on bad evaluators to shape his decision or simply is getting beaten at the table when you look at the full body of work on FA acquisitions and professional procurement.

    Another bottom 3 finish is well within reach for this team. The imbalance between the youth and the vets is simply brutal and it doesn’t all lay at the feet of Tambellini because he didn’t really become in charge of things until 2009, he was just a puppet in 2008.

    Not re-signing Smid would be absolutely terrible UNLESS you are ready to completely re-make the roster and send out a lot of people. And even if that’s the case and we see Smid, Gagner, Whitney and Hemsky go (and then if Eager and Smyth don’t go they get bought out), let’s be honest, who here really trusts Lowe & Tambellini to remake this team effectively?

    These are trying times for Oilers fans. Am glad I’m not stupid enough to be shelling out a lot of money on season tickets or I’d be really upset. When will the re-build finally end?

  11. sliderule says:

    Brodziak would be the perfect third line center for the oilers.

    It’s not all on Tambo as Lowe didn’t think he was togh enough.

    This is a common theme with oiler management

  12. season not played says:

    So looks like Calgary might embark on a similar rebuild. How sour will we be when Calgary pulls it off in a short period of time and the Oil still sucks.

  13. justDOit says:

    season not played:
    So looks like Calgary might embark on a similar rebuild.How sour will we be when Calgary pulls it off in a short period of time and the Oil still sucks.

    While that could theoretically happen, I would be very surprised if Mr. Feaster could turn around that team in short order.

  14. denny33 says:

    Traktor,

    Of course you are not going to go through LT’s list – that would be very painful.

    Garon’s contract for 2009 and 2010 was for 1.2 million….Five years later – he is making 1.250 million.

    ST – shrewdly signed the hard drinking, oft-injured, mid 30 year old to a half a decade contract for 3.75 million / year.

  15. denny33 says:

    To all the ST apologists that think he was*intentionally * trying to tank for half a decade – how do you explain signing the following:

    1. Signing a 35 yeard old goalie to a ridiculous contract?
    2. BURNING Gagne, Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak’s entry level contracts, why?

    LT – along with some local media in Edmonton – has really shed some light and perspective on what is really a brutal, brutal record of management. Time makes even the most ardent fan forget some moves…but ST’s work in 2009 is startling..

    Great Job LT…..

  16. Woodguy says:

    Staples with a good post about the terrible players management has surrounded the kids with:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/03/25/its-time-for-the-edmonton-oilers-to-clear-house/

  17. FrankenOil says:

    What frustrates me the most is that the Oilers seem to believe in the Packers/Ravens/Giants rebuild mode – build through the draft and ignore trades/ free agency. We all know how the team is going to address the blueline for next season (regardless of whether Laddi re-signs) and that is to “expect” Klefbom to be on the roster. Tamblowe is not going to bring in a Top-4 d-man through trade or free agency. Our top-4 acquisition is going to be a raw rookie with Tamblowe maybe bringing in a vet 6/7 to fill out the roster and hope that vet will outperform his prior level.

    Another frustration is the lack of versatility in the forward ranks. When we played San Jose, I counted 6 Sharks capable of playing C (Thornton, Couture, Pavelski, Marleau, Desjardins, Sheppard) and that didn’t even include Handzus! One of the guys on the Team 1260 said it best – ask any C and he’ll tell you that it’s no big deal to play wing but the reverse is not true. Who are our versatile guys?

    I see the roster make-up and it absolutely rings true that these guys have zero clue how to assemble a roster.

  18. FrankenOil says:

    Also, that Cogliano trade is looking worse and worse by the fact that the recent 2nd rounders have not exceeded expectations. The only in the past 3 years who seems to be exceeding expectations is Marincin. However, as of today, not a single one looks like a sure-fire NHL’er as the majority (save Marincin) have at least one glaring weakness (Musil-skating, Moroz/Pitlick/Hamilton – offense). At the time, I thought trading Cogliano wasn’t a terrible trade but I just don’t have confidence they’ll actually use that pick on a player that could hold Cog’s jock. At least Cogs could play a little C (except for the FO’s). Instead, they spent the money saved on him and decided that Jones/Eager/Belanger were better NHL players than him. Ooops :(

  19. Ice Sage says:

    Congrats to Barry Trotz – no one’s done more with less.
    Nice to see Krueger declare some concrete goals for the team. When ST’s swiffer gets going at the end of the year, I hope the assistant coaches are swept out.
    There are a few games of interest down the stretch, I suppose. I’d like to see some prospects (Fedun, Rajala, Marincin) get NHL exposure.

  20. FrankenOil says:

    Ice Sage,

    Be careful of calling up the D as Mgmt might actually think 2 or 3 good games by either of those 2 means they are ready for NHL action full-time :P

  21. Hammers says:

    Woodguy,

    Totally agree . What Staples says today is also right on . How an owner can go along with this is hard to believe . ST should have been gone last year at least but the problem I see is a new GM may want his own coach especially considering Ralph hasn’t improvedanything .

  22. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    (WG ) Except, you know…. they have all these 1st rounders and are still the 2nd worst team in Fenclose in the league (which is an excellent predictor of points/wins)

    ***************************************************************************

    Indeed – we do have a team full of 1st rounders. So I am not sure we can blame – entirely – the bottom 6 forwards ( how much does the 4th line play in most cities ? ) .

    We have been DEAD last – All year – in 5 on 5 goals for….our 1st rounders receive the bulk of the icetime.

    Taylor Hall, Nail Yakupov, Jordan Eberle, Sam Gagner, MPS…RNH when he is in…

    Those are 6 -1st line forwards- that receive big time minutes and they are posting brutal 5 on 5 scoring.

    Last night – our team had 4 shots in the 1st period. 19 in total. Did Halak shower after the game?

    TSN remarked last night Crosby’s is running away with the scoring race They also pointed out he scored only his 3rd goal on the PP last night! He is getting the vast majority of his goals at even strength. He is owning even strength scoring.

    When Jordan Eberle is not scoring he is a very nice player to play against. (-9 )

    Our bottom 6 is terrible – but I am not depending on them to carry the even strength goal scoring for my team I mean, the 3rd line is traditionally the checking line. And how much even strength scoring do we expect from the 4th line?

    The first two lines have to carry the mail for 5 on 5 scoring.

    Pretty soon – we will be chock full of 1st rounders up front ( maybe Barkov ) and then who can we blame for HORRIFIC/EMBARRASSING even strength scoring?

    Here is the rub – can anyone here honestly say they are seeing an improvement in even strength offensive production?

  23. jonrmcleod says:

    Woodguy,

    The death blow: “Failing to properly ASSESS.”

  24. HugThePost says:

    As the bloodlust for Tambo’s head rises, we should realize that he is the mere talking head for the real problem of people like Lowe and perhaps MacT. They both are clever enough to get jobs where they can pull their strings without being in the direct line of fire.

    Plus…..it can’t be more obvious that Tambo’s replacement will be Howson. AKA, the guy who traded Jeff Carter for Jack Johnson.

    Plus, the comically inept chatter from the Oilers about how Horcoff is obstructing the forward progress of the team, the openness to re-signing people like Khabby and Whitney (because we can get them cheap!), and MacT’s assertation that “fancy stats” aren’t important when evaluating players, all point to the farce that is calling themselves a pro hockey management team at Kingsway Ave.

    Sure, changes need to be made, but are the most likely changes that will happen going to be better?

    As the last 2 decades have gone here, the more things change, the more they stay the same. As long as Rexall continues to be sold out, Katz has zero reason to ice any different product than the slop he and his crew have served up since day 1.

  25. jonrmcleod says:

    Apparently the OIlers are one of four teams seen as front-runners to sign the top available college free agent Dan DeKeyser. http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/03/25/bob-mckenzie-edmonton-oilers-aggressively-pursuing-free-agent-dan-dekeyser/

  26. Ribs says:

    Ales Hemsky is on that list. He’s slipping in his two-way play, but still has value in trade. This forward group needs more toughness to go along with its skill. Perhaps Hemsky can be moved as part of a package for a more rugged player who can also play some hockey. Hemsky still has immense skill and can certainly help a team looking to bolster its power play. Trading him could be good for Hemsky, for the team he goes to, and for the Oilers, a win-win-win. – Staples

    So what, Hemsky for Glencross? *Puke*

  27. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    LT,

    you’ve got a marvellous, if schizophrenic, writing style. At times you undersell things with a marked subtlety:

    “I found Quinn to be a fun quote and a fascinating addition. I don’t think there are many men in the coaching profession who would have put JFJ on the 1line.”

    Someone unfamiliar with the context, actors and your writing history might miss the subtext at work here. Such a person is unlikely to be reading your blog. But nevertheless, the fact that you write for us in this manner is really, really great.

    Then, at times, you go for the jugular:

    “I wonder if the Oilers will end up dealing a Yakupov for a Lucic. I’m beyond saying things are impossible, we’re through the looking glass here people.”

    That’s actually still pretty muted, but the change in tone is noted. I think your page/picture breaks enable this kind of manoeuvrability in style.

    Speaking of pics… what a change ladies pants have undergone!

    That young lady’s unzipped pants sit higher than where some of today’s ladies currently wear them. Zip them up and they’d look freakishly high by contemporary standards. Though, I note that the hipster set is bringing the high waisted pant back…

    At any rate, your retro keyboard/organ track of the day:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaOjYPbyiDU

  28. HugThePost says:

    Ribs,

    I’d feel good for Hemmer if he were traded away and won with another team. He’s been a loyal player here and even when it went against his strengths as a player, always did what was told of him. I’ll never forget how he would always go into the corner to get the puck only to be assaulted by people like Regher…..all because nobody would ever give him linemates who could play the possession game that he is so superb at and dump and chase was the only option.

    My fear is that if/when he is traded, it will be for some brand name veteran who has been on the decline for years or washed out player who was a high draft pick, but somehow Tambo will find reason to bring him in.

    insert name of several players here:

    such as, Mike Ribiero, Ryan Clowe, Colton Orr, etc etc

  29. jonrmcleod says:

    How about this scenario? The Oilers sign free agent DeKeyser, sign Smid, and add Klefbom in the fall. The top-6 might be Petry, Smid, J. Schultz, DeKeyser, N. Schultz, Klefbom. How does that look?

  30. Captain Obvious says:

    denny33,

    On good teams fourth lines matter a lot. They play a regular shift, have players that can move up the lineup if necessary, and score goals.

    Unless you have Crosby or Malkin, you don’t win with star players. Almost every team has star players. The team with the best third and fourth lines wins. If your third and fourth lines can’t score you have no chance. None. That’s why good teams have guys that can score even on their fourth lines. Look at the Blues a team which by reputation wins with size and defense. It isn’t true. They have skill players four lines deep.

    The Oilers lose because they have no depth. Seriously, look at the Blues by TOI compared to the Oilers

    Backes–Hopkins
    Perron–Eberle
    Oshie–Hall
    McDonald–Gagner
    Steen–Hemsky
    Stewart–Ryan Jones
    Berglund–Paajarvi
    Sobotka–Yakupov
    Schwartz–Smyth
    Tarasenko–Horcoff

    It’s impossible to look at that and not conclude that the Oilers are getting killed at the bottom of the roster and with their D. The sad thing is that in the unlikely event that the Oilers had a player like Sobotka, who put up a point per game in the AHL, is they would have traded him away because there wasn’t room for him in their top six.

    The myth of the top six forward is the single biggest problem the Oilers have. Good teams run three, or even four, scoring lines that all play the same. Bad teams believe in hockey myths and then wonder why they lose. It’s that simple.

  31. HugThePost says:

    Captain Obvious,

    And that is why a competent scoring talent like Omark is left to rot in the Swiss league, and players who can contribute like 91 and 56 are jerked around between here, the press box and the AHL while useless beer leaguers like 28 get to be in the line-up, and our Wonder Kids are thrown to the wolves and told to fend for themselves.

  32. asiaoil says:

    Fact: the Oilers and Islanders are the 2 worst run franchises in the NHL today. They lost ATL as company when they moved to WIN. Even doormats like FLA, CLB & PHX have had more success since in the past 5 years. For incompetent fakes like Kevin Lowe, this whole tank strategy is a great way to keep yourself employed for 5 years longer than you deserve. You just keep doing your best, failing, but failure is the goal so you can pat yourself on the back tell people your “plan” will someday succeed. Not sure who the greater fool is – Katz or the fans.

    There is absolutely ZERO reason for the team to be flailing around hopelessly due to a lack of depth and veteran support. These assets are acquired by decent management without mortgaging the future, but this mgmt team’s PROVEN record in player development and trades is an abomination.

    The Hall, Eberle, MSP entry level deals are up and Nuge only has one to go – and to be in this situation at this point of the “rebuild” is a stunning and complete FAIL.

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    asiaoil: Not sure who the greater fool is – Katz or the fans.

    Katz is making money, re-building a city and living a dream by hanging out with his heroes as BFFS.

    The only way he fires KL is if the child in him finally wakes from the dream of hanging out with KL and remembers that winning is fun. Right now, he’s having too much fun spending time with his idols and cashing cheques.

  34. danny says:

    I’ve been fairly pragmatic regarding the rebuild. Ive been against bringing in vets to fight for 8th place since the Hall draft, with my compete window starting the 12-13 (this) season.

    Now that we are here, and we see how poor our roster are performing, I’m falling back into rational mode again.

    We are missing a #1 defenseman. We need to get that guy badly.

    MAYBE if we don’t trade away pieces to inflate our points this season, and draft 7th or 8th, we could accept our 3rd overall fate (with some luck) and use that as a trade chip next season. Maybe drafting Barkov at 3rd allows us to trade Yakupov for something valuable.

    Next season could see a lot of top talent moveable when cap considerations start making reality a bitch for a lot of upper echelon teams.

    Nashville have almost $20M invested in two players, not by choice entirely… they matched Phillys offer sheet. Throw the sink at them for Weber. Yakupov + Gagner + future 1st round pick. SUre it’s a gamble that Yakupov may be amazing, but Weber is a sure-bet for this clusters entire window, and you can never lose those types of deals badly.

  35. Lois Lowe says:

    Let’s get one thing clear, Lowe isn’t going anywhere.

  36. denny33 says:

    Captain Obvious,

    I don’t disagree with anything you are saying…

    I was *specifically* referring to even strength scoring.

    St. Louis is 15th in the leauge.in 5 on 5 scoring..

    Have you taken a look at some of the bottom 6 forwards on some teams?

    Anneheim:

    Belesky, Staubitz, Maroon, Steckel,…

    Toronto:

    This forums favs…Colton Orr, Maclaren, Komarov, Mclement…

    Vancouver:

    Forum fav Sestito, Malhotra, Ebbett, Weise, Laperiere..

    I am not sure all of the blame can be placed on our 3rd and 4th line guys, as brutal as they are, for our embarrassing stat of even strength scoring.

    Calgary, Colorado – they have 55 and 56 even strength goals…..have you seen the bottom of their lineup? We have 38 even strength goals. We are not just below average or bad…

    Again, as someone else pointed out – I would love to see a breakdown of just top 2 lines vs top 2 lines. ( our 1st line centre has 2 goals )

    I suspect there would be a lot of variance in that comparison….

  37. Gret99zky says:

    Jordan,

    I vote for option #1. Sell. Forget the playoffs.

    Sign Smid.

    Sign Gagner.

    Do not re-sign Whitney or Khabby at any price.

    Get rid of a couple of contracts. (Eager, Belanger, perhaps Smyth)

    Tambi needs to go but what then? Howson? Are you kidding? MacT is too smart to put his neck on the block.

    Is Katz really hanging out with his childhood heroes? I thought he was in the Vancouver Batcave. How often does he get around to sniffing jocks?

    Tencer and Brown are right. The fans are the problem. They boo the team and they sell out the arena.

    We should all be very, very ashamed of ourselves.

  38. Truth Movement says:

    Hartikainen to OKC

  39. Roughneck says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    So did anybody notice the invincible St. Louis Blues get handily beaten by the Flames?

    Handily? LOL.
    Rob Kerr?
    Harvey the Hound?

    It was a classic Flames victory, and an excellent illustration of Woodguys comment. goaltending is everything. Kipper was fabulous. Halak was meh.

  40. fuzzy muppet says:

    LeBrun reporting Pens acquiring Douglas Murray from San Jose

    Lets see what the going rate is for a top 4 Defenseman

  41. Ribs says:

    EdmontonOilers
    #Oilers forward lines during morning skate:

    Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky
    Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle
    Smyth-RNH-Yakupov
    Brown-Belanger-Jones

    EdmontonOilers
    #Oilers defence pairings at morning skate: Smid-Petry, NSchultz-JSchultz, Potter-Fistric, Whitney-Peckham

    Looks like Peckham-Whitney sit this one.

  42. Captain Happy says:

    Pierre LeBrun ✔ @Real_ESPNLeBrun

    Am told the Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired Douglas Murray from the San Jose Sharks… trade call still pending

  43. Bag of Pucks says:

    The bulk of the complaints RE: Tambellini’s competence seem to revolve around pro player acquisition.

    Is it not possible that the org recognized this, and hence the subsequent hirings of Sutter, MacT and Howson to add voices with alleged expertise to bulwark this area of the org and mitigate Tambellini’s sole ownership of this discipline?

    Given these folks were all brought in the last year, doesn’t Katz have to give them a minimum of one trade deadline and offseason together to assess their impact? Why on earth would you hire all those people to support your GM and then fire that same GM less than a year later, all while retaining the Prez who arguably carries the biggest stick anyway?

    I find it interesting that LT’s critique of Tambellini focused on his first year of tenure, when he was obviously a lame duck with minimal inherited assets and a whale hunting boss. Since then, are we seriously basing this ongoing belief that Tambellini can’t win on a trade on the basis of dealing Tom Gilbert? I would daresay it’s far from unanimous within the fanbase that Tambi lost that trade.

    Unfortunately for Tambellini who seems a genuinely nice guy (what’s that about those finishing last?), a large part of his legacy has been defined by player moves dictated by external forces (Khabi signing – Katz’ white whale, Souray injury – Lowe, Smyth’s return – fanbase/pr, Belanger/Potter – Renney). Maybe the guy would do better if he didn’t have to satisfy so many agendas? THAT is certainly indicative of dysfunction within an org. Whether that can all be laid at Tambellini’s feet is another matter entirely.

  44. leadfarmer says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    2 2nd round picks. Good thing we are saving those to draft AHL depth players. Not saying that we should have traded for Murray, but that trades are possible.

  45. Ribs says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    TSNBobMcKenzie
    PIT’s acquisition price on Douglas Murray is two second-round picks.

  46. eidy says:

    Its early in the morning and early in the week, but I think there is a solution for the problem.

    1. We are interested in Dan Dekeyser
    2. Dan Dekeyser is from Michigan and Detroid odds on favorites
    3. Part of that is related to close relationship with Jim Nill
    4. Steve Tambellini and Kevein Lowe aren’t good at their jobs
    5. Fire tambo and lowe
    6. Hire Jim Nill
    7. Dekeyser now has close relationship with newly appointed GM of the Edmonton Oilers

    Helps relieve us of management ineptitude, then we can really follow the Detroit model, get good asset for nothing

  47. Captain Obvious says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    LeBrun reporting Pens acquiring Douglas Murray from San Jose

    Lets see what the going rate is for a top 4 Defenseman

    On what planet is Murray a top four defenseman? NHL general managers are terrible at their jobs. Terrible.

  48. fuzzy muppet says:

    Ribs,

    Ribs,

    This pretty much cements the fact that they will trade Smid, who is a better player than Murray.

    So who are the top 5 propects in NEXT years draft?

  49. Traktor says:

    Ribs:
    fuzzy muppet,

    TSNBobMcKenzie
    PIT’s acquisition price on Douglas Murray is two second-round picks.

    Seems like a sellers market so I suspect Tambellini will sell youth for Jim Dowd and finish 9th in the conf.

  50. maudite says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    No one around these parts would dare lay the blame at ST’s feet without realizing Lowe’s hand is in the mix. Tamblowe is indeed the problem. Hopefully, Lowe is moved further from any say in the on-ice product manager part of the hockey operations and ST is fired or, in true oiler fashion, is shuffled to some secondary role that also doesn’t involve much of the on ice product…both fired would be fine. Likely not going to happen.

  51. Traktor says:

    leadfarmer:
    fuzzy muppet,

    2 2nd round picks.Good thing we are saving those to draft AHL depth players.Not saying that we should have traded for Murray, but that trades are possible.

    oh lawd.

    Murray isn’t much better than Fistric and we only traded away a 3rd for him.

    Yes, making trades is possible.. but if you are paying for sex you shouldn’t brag about getting laid.

  52. rich says:

    @ Bag of Pucks:

    It’s precisely for the reason that they’ve brought in so many people to help Tambellini that things have gotten even worse, not better. Prior to becoming GM, ST was assistant to Burke in VAN and had been in that role for a very long time for a reason.

    We’ve seen – and not just in his year 1 as a puppet but since then, that ST struggles to make a decision. So you bring in more voices to help him make a decision – but the issue w/ST is either he doesn’t trust his instincts or he just has really bad judgement and bringing in more people can’t solve either of those problems.

    His strategy of players for prospects is a time proven one…when combined with good professional player procuement skills. Their have been too many misses for the few good hits and they don’t overcome the other issues created.

    But again, I don’t leave this all at ST’s feet. It’s obvious the man is in over his head and shouldn’t be anything more than an assistant GM…or a GM of an AHL team. The real issue with this team is Kevin Lowe, or put another way, until Katz realizes one of his idols is not suited for the role and does something about it, this team is condemned to these kind of results. And as said above, it’s obvious that Lowe is not going anywhere – so this team is condemned to be the NYI West.
    .

  53. Ribs says:

    Dvorak lives!

    helenenothelen
    Radek Dvorak, signed by Ducks, cleared waivers. He must still deal w/immigration paperwork bfore he can play

  54. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    fuzzy muppet,

    2 2nd round picks.Good thing we are saving those to draft AHL depth players.Not saying that we should have traded for Murray, but that trades are possible.

    Good God, if that’s true Wilson owned Shero’s soul in that trade.

    Murray is an old turnstile.

    Was good once.

    Not for at least 2, maybe 3 years though.

  55. Bag of Pucks says:

    rich:
    @ Bag of Pucks:

    We’ve seen – and not just in his year 1 as a puppet but since then, that ST struggles to make a decision.So you bring in more voices to help him make a decision – but the issue w/ST is either he doesn’t trust his instincts or he just has really bad judgement and bringing in more people can’t solve either of those problems.

    Other than some fairly inconsequential press box moves, where’s the proof of indecision? You don’t sign Eberle and Hall a year out from renewal if you struggle from indecision. You want to talk indecision, look at Howson with the Rick Nash trade? Now that’s graphic evidence.

    Burke was very decisive when he traded Kessel, Gillis the same when he traded Hodgson. It was quite decisive of Pocklington to sell Gretzky.

    There is something to be said for being patient and prudent, particularly when your stated goal is to rebuild an org through the draft. Personally, I don’t want a GM who makes moves just to placate an impatient fanbase. Every fanbase criticizes management for not doing enough to satisfy their wishlist.

    My issue with the ‘he’s not doing enough crowd’ is how readily they gloss over the accomplishments that don’t suit this narrative (e.g. signing Schultz) and they don’t fully appreciate the magnitude of the mess Tambellini inherited nor the disparate agendas he has to satisfy. One of the funniest traits of Oiler fans is every time a trade is made, the immediate reaction is ‘why didn’t we make that trade?’ The absurdity of that statement reveals so little appreciation of market dynamics, it’s laughable.

    Oiler fans want Tambellini to finalize the build YESTERDAY. But the Blue Jays are a good example of how/when you pull the trigger on this. Everyone knew the Jays had achieved a competitive core and the window of opportunity was now open. The Oiler core is not at that point yet. Schultz Jr, Yakupov, Nuge, etc. have miles to go yet.

    Fully agree, Katz has to set the tone, with full accountability for Lowe and the culture he’s created.

  56. Bag of Pucks says:

    Last post should’ve read ‘traded for Kessel’ obviously.

  57. spoiler says:

    HugThePost:Plus, the comically inept chatter from the Oilers about how Horcoff is obstructing the forward progress of the team, the openness to re-signing people like Khabby and Whitney (because we can get them cheap!), and MacT’s assertation that “fancy stats” aren’t important when evaluating players, all point to the farce that is calling themselves a pro hockey management team at Kingsway Ave.

    From Elliotte Friedman’s 30 Thoughts:

    13. Tambellini also nuked the possibility of a Shawn Horcoff trade. People are always looking for centres and $26 million of Horcoff’s $33-million contract will be paid off after this season (he also has a no-move clause). Plus, it was not lost on the Oilers that things improved on the marathon road trip when Horcoff returned.

    (Emphasis mine).

    There’s a lot of criticism about management going on that is merely speculative angst, yet it is being presented as fact. I don’t mind the angst, just the categorical styling that is often used on it here. (Nor do I mean to pick on you, this just an example).

    The other Oiler tidbit from Elliotte:

    12. Edmonton Oilers GM Steve Tambellini on Ladislav Smid: “We’ve had serious talks.” Despite some tortuous questioning, no further information was provided. Safe to say, both sides are trying to see if there is a match.

    I’ve said it before and I will say it again: Sign Smid!

  58. rickithebear says:

    Cogliano Trade Awful
    Sutter trading picks for Players.
    hell yeah if 2nd rounders or less
    The math tells you!

    There is an established value to the picks:
    From 2000 ON
    Scouts get picks correct:
    1-15 11/15 73.3%
    16-30 6/15 40%
    31-45 4/15 26.7%
    45-60 3/15 20%
    61-75 3/15 20%
    76-90 2/15 13.3%
    90-120 3/30 10%
    2 – 45-75 picks have as much chance at getting a player as picks 16-30

    If you are getting a player for a 26.7% chance you bet.
    The 05-06 cup run for a 30th pick

  59. FastOil says:

    Every once in a while circumstances converge to create opportunity. We have seen it with obstruction being more or less called which changed which type of player is effective (the Scottish Swede Murray being a prime example of not working anymore – huge and pylonic), in new ways to analyze and understand a complex and fluid game, and we see it again with the cap changing which will pry open GM’s stiff fingers.

    Too bad our guys seem to be on the dinosaur end of things. A young team could get set up for a pretty nice decade before the cap stabilizes and more teams get up to speed on things. I am sure we’ll see the light come on about the same time it does for the rest of the laggers.

    If they pick high again you’d have to think there is enough assets (especially if they land DeKeyser) to acquire the rest of the missing pieces and be truly competitive.

  60. nelson88 says:

    Nice return for Murray. If the Oil don’t win the next couple then it is time to start unloading. I think there will be a reasonable (2nd or 3rd picks) market for both Whitney and Khabi if they do sell. Jones as well for that matter.

  61. DBO says:

    2 2nd’s for Murray. Means Smid is a 1st. Hope they sign him and soon though since we have no one like him anywhere near the NHL.

    So Whitney can get yo a 2nd, worst case a 3rd or a prospect close to the NHL. Hope they make the smart moves (like San Jose an Dallas) and realize Pitt just set the market and now with a small number of sellers we should be jumping at the chance to make deals.

  62. spoiler says:

    It’s a 2013 2nd and a 2014 3rd for Murray. The 2014 pick becomes a 2nd if the Pens win two playoff series OR the Pens re-sign Murray to an extension.

    Wow. A 2nd and a 3rd… I could rationalize a 2nd maybe, but two picks? The Fistric trade looks like a dream trade in this light.

    If this trade is indicative of the market for defensemen right now, I hope to the Hockey Gords that we are sellers and not buyers.

  63. spoiler says:

    Wow, and Briere out indefinitely with a concussion. Missed that over the weekend. Gotta think the Fly just became sellers.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy,

    Going through the list, it’s unreal how terrible these players actually are.

    HugThePost: As the bloodlust for Tambo’s head rises, we should realize that he is the mere talking head for the real problem of people like Lowe and perhaps MacT.

    You’re kidding.

  65. DBO says:

    spoiler,

    agreed. this may the last time so few teams are selling and there are so many teams in it for a playoff run. The crazy thing for us is that we may have addition by subtraction. Clearing out both contracts and cap is nice, but moving out some of the role players who can so easily be replaced (Whitney, Bulin, Jones, Belanger, Petrell) makes way too much sense.

    And i wonder what Shultz the elder may fetch you? Or is his value down due to having another year left on his deal. I can certainly live with Smid, Shultz and Dekayser as out LD next year, with Kelfbom getting a year in the minors to settle in and hopefully get healthy, thus possibly allowing us to move Shultz if Klefbom is ready after 40 games or so.

    fun one from twitter/: trade them dammit!!

    Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris 5m
    @mirtle Shero said today that the price for rental defenceman has clearly been set at two seconds based off the last couple years.

  66. hunter1909 says:

    In seriousness there’s nothing whatsoever to be done to improve this putrid 2013 Oilers team, not without risking the imaginary future which probably won’t even happen now.

  67. DeadmanWaking says:

    After discovering Murakami the other week and reading his book about running and writing and discipline, an idea slowly formed in my mind that maybe I should sit myself down for a couple of hours to “run” every day until the end of the regular season. I think it’s an interesting parallel to the compressed season. And it is a challenge to pull on your game shoes day after day and find something fresh. Murakami says he tries to run every day, but usually manages six times per week. Life does sometimes intervene. I pulled the chute a couple of days ago when my mind was a blank ache.

    I’ve even started to think in terms of home games and away games. There are some things I bring from my own circles, mostly my consistent cellulose diet. Sometimes I just sit down and try to react to the mood of the day. When I added my riff about “mayn’t” to the clever “you can’t” jest the other day, it was a kind of like an optional practice skate just to keep the legs loose.

    Murakami says that from every marathon (at least one per year for twenty-six years) and triathlon (these come in clusters) and ultra-marathon (only one so far) he likes to learn a “concrete” lesson about himself. He emphasized that the lesson must be concrete. Reading in translation, one can’t drill too deep into the precise resonance of that word, but we do know for Murakami it has a specific and personal meaning.

    I do know for myself there’s a sharp dividing line between sitting down to shoot-the-shit and digging a deeper furrow. When “one” is trying to dig a furrow for two or three hours day after day, it’s darn easy to lapse into shooting-the-shit, mailing it in, going through the motions, burning the clock, ceasing to believe.

    The deeper furrow for me at this point is usually more about voice than content, not that these are completely separate: one can’t wrap voice around a vacuum. Well, I’ve overstated myself there–one can wrap voice around a vacuum, but it’s an entirely different art form.

    I’m not wedded to the voice of persuasion, mano-a-mano.

    The Argumentative Theory. In a passage that appears to be Johnathon Haidt commenting on a paper by Hugo Mercier and Dan Sperber:

    The article is a review of a puzzle that has bedeviled researchers in cognitive psychology and social cognition for a long time. The puzzle is, why are humans so amazingly bad at reasoning in some contexts, and so amazingly good in others?

    Reasoning was not designed to pursue the truth. Reasoning was designed by evolution to help us win arguments. That’s why they call it The Argumentative Theory of Reasoning.

    The evidence reviewed here shows not only that reasoning falls quite short of reliably delivering rational beliefs and rational decisions. It may even be, in a variety of cases, detrimental to rationality. Reasoning can lead to poor outcomes, not because humans are bad at it, but because they systematically strive for arguments that justify their beliefs or their actions. This explains the confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, and reason-based choice, among other things. [flattened, my emph.]

    There’s the problem in a nutshell: the voice of persuasion misleads. If one distills reality down to its optimally redacted persuasive essence, what do you have? Crack cocaine. Crystal meth. Diamonds on the soles of your shoes–after beating a beeline through dogshit park. A verdigris residue on the Copper Hopper entirely unlike the colour of Lake Louise.

    The cognitive state that most interests me is the prelude to deciding. Be careful here, because reaching a conclusion is not always the same thing as actually deciding. If the lens you begin with is only compatible with one fixed conclusion, you haven’t decided anything at all, other than in the sense that back when you were six years old, you discovered a lens you really liked, and you’ve never strayed. My voice is more about exploring the lens.

    Yesterday was more of an away game. If we hadn’t looked so bad losing to STL, my post would have gone a different direction. Somehow the pissy feeling transformed itself into a post about pissing, replete with some wild conjectures about suitable viewing material for twelve-year-old boys. That never ends badly in Fortress America. I was surreptitiously drifting into Chapter 9: Of Flesh and Fantasy, which deals in particular with how many women have internal fantasies that would amount to their worst nightmare in real life. As Perels analyzes this:

    [I don't think Joni needs] to worry about being a masochist, or even about being passive. The cowboys may be controlling her, but ultimately she is the one controlling the cowboys. She is the author, the producer, the casting agent, the director, and the star of the show. … These are worshippers, not sadists.

    Joni is frustrated about having to ask her husband for things more than once (shock, horror).

    Ah, cowboys to the rescue. You don’t even have to ask them once.

    In that Bob Hoskins clip from my post yesterday, is it the sex or the violence we most try to hide from our children? Certainly there’s a part of me that really does wish I had known about and pulled that Bob Hoskins move on monkey-boy, and resolved my entire slate of adolescent personal-space challenges with one jab of Fonzi’s thumb. Well yes, perhaps we are all projecting a little bit of that onto the ice. And really, if I had caved in the bridge of his nose with the cubicle stanchion at the age of thirteen, would he be going through life explaining to people, “That’s just a small facial deformity I got early in life learning a valuable lesson about personal space.”? No, he’ll remember it as “just having a bit of fun” before getting ambushed by the maladjusted psychopath from hell. As I parsed it, he was fascinated and repulsed and threatened by my utter contempt for the middle ground of noisy protest. I’m not going to waste my time bringing a fancy lens to a party that doesn’t need one. He was invading my space. End of story. So he’s lucky my repressed psychopath didn’t choose that precise moment to spread its wings–or maybe I’m projecting again.

    I have many images in the back of my mind about my writing process. These are little touchstones of identity. One of these is the geometric Tangram puzzle. Do people remember these? Before the Rubik’s cube, you would often find one of these lying around on coffee tables or in doctor’s waiting rooms cluttered with objects you maybe shouldn’t handle with bare skin. The Two Monks Paradox suffices to make my point: whether the monk has a foot or not is up to the reader. I tend to invest myself in carving my facets with strong phrases, and then retreat into word ploy at the seams and junctures to make it less clear how I intend the facets to zip together. This is my device for circling around persuasion without actually getting my boots dirty. Sometimes this is more at the forefront, and sometimes other images and conceits take center stage–in so far as one can mess with the ants by shifting branches around once they’ve already dabbed their trails. Or maybe these conceits are just my cowboys, and in reality I’m at the mercy of my ants altogether.

    Okay, it’s about halfway through the third and I’ve been cycling the puck without generating any shots on net.

    We watched the movie Inception the other night. It wasn’t much of a leap to suspect that a movie about invading the dream state would resonate against the sandalwood opus (which I attributed tongue-in-cheek to my “fellow” library patrons; many circumstances are possible in this regard, but it sure as hell doesn’t include two straight men).

    First, about spoilers: If the source is more than about three years old, I figure it’s up the reader to bail on their own account without dramatic flag waving. I don’t go around just blurting out major plot points, regardless. There’s usually an oddball spin or conjunction. When I’ve been on the receiving side, reading about movies I’ve not yet watched, I’ve often picked up tidbits which I regard as unspoilers: an aspect to attend in the margins that actually makes the original viewing more interesting rather than ruining any surprise. Hollywood surprises tend to bonk you over the head just when you most expect them. I guess I’m jaded.

    Eames: It’s not just about depth. You need the simplest version of the idea–the one that will grow naturally in the subject’s mind. Subtle art.

    This movie is about frames: dreams within dreams. What is real, and what is not real. (I’m sure nobody saw that coming. Sorry if I’ve ruined it.)

    I agree with Woodguy’s post completely, at a certain frame within the dream.

    Oh damn. One shot on net, and there goes the final buzzer.

  68. Reg Dunlop says:

    Anyway, don’t the oil play tonight? If Nuge spreads AIDs or whatever he has through the dressing room and the whole Barons squad gets called up, would we be worse off? The yearly slide down the Crisco pole has started, we lose 3-0 again tonight.

    Predicting Calgary to bottom out in the west is fun but if they get value for Iggy, and if, hypothetically the oil pick Lazar at #3 leaving the flames Mackinnon at #4, not only would the flames remain ahead of us but Tambo re-upping Khabbi and Whitney would necessitate the ‘tar and feather’ solution.

    The oilers employ numerous players that are only in the NHL because the oil allow them to be. If not for the oil, Khabbi, Jones, Whitney, Smyth, Petrel, Yakupov and Belanger would not be playing NHL hockey. That is why we are one of the 3 worst teams in the league.

  69. FastOil says:

    DBO:
    2 2nd’s for Murray. Means Smid is a 1st. Hope they sign him and soon though since we have no one like him anywhere near theNHL.

    So Whitney can get yo a 2nd, worst case a 3rd or a prospect close to the NHL. Hope they make the smart moves (like San Jose an Dallas) and realize Pitt just set the market and now with a small number of sellers we should be jumping at the chance to make deals.

    I hope they are shopping Whitney aggressively (maybe previous history is a problem with the Pens) – you’d have to think he’s a better player than Murray. Both big, immobile but at least Whitney can also contribute to offense.

    They really need to clear the roster as we have said for years, but really they can’t keep this many marginal players with replacements available like Harti etc. What’s the worst that could happen – lose games and be bad? Clear them out Steve.

  70. spoiler says:

    From Gregor’s Gameday Post at ON:

    •If you honestly believe the Oilers are better off moving out veterans and replacing them with unproven youth, then you can expect the Oilers to remain near the bottom of the western conference moving forward. The Oilers need to find PROVEN NHL players, not more “maybe,” “might be,” or “what if” type players.

    •I’m not saying the Oilers can’t move a veteran or two, but the return is likely more prospects and picks. These trades won’t fix the Oilers’ problems. The Oilers need more experience, more consistency in their competitiveness and they need some size/skill in their top nine.

    •The Oilers will be competitive when their best players are equal to the best players on the other teams. The 4th line doesn’t win games for the Penguins, Blackhawks or Ducks. Their best players do, and until the Oilers best players are mature and have more experience the Oilers won’t win. That isn’t a knock on their young kids, it is just a fact.

    I mentioned this last week, but if Nuge, Ebs and Hall have a halfway normal shooting percentage this year, we’re looking at 10-11 more goals over the first 27 games, which probably means we’d be sitting in a playoff spot right now (depending on when those goals would have come). And dealing with a lot less of this angst (ok probably not on that count, knowing Oiler fans).

  71. eidy says:

    soooo….. no support for my 7 point dekeyser plan…. I thought addition of Nill and dekeyser for tambelline and lowe would garner more interest.

  72. spoiler says:

    DeadmanWaking:
    Okay, it’s about halfway through the third and I’ve been cycling the puck without generating any shots on net. We watched the movie Inception the other night. It wasn’t much of a leap to suspect that a movie about invading the dream state would resonate against the sandalwood opus (which I attributed tongue-in-cheek to my “fellow” library patrons; many circumstances are possible in this regard, but it sure as hell doesn’t include two straight men).

    First, about spoilers: If the source is more than about three years old, I figure it’s up the reader to bail on their own account without dramatic flag waving. I don’t go around just blurting out major plot points, regardless. There’s usually an oddball spin or conjunction. When I’ve been on the receiving side, reading about movies I’ve not yet watched, I’ve often picked up tidbits which I regard as unspoilers: an aspect to attend in the margins that actually makes the original viewing more interesting rather than ruining any surprise. Hollywood surprises tend to bonk you over the head just when you most expect them. I guess I’m jaded.

    This movie is about frames: dreams within dreams. What is real, and what is not real. (I’m sure nobody saw that coming. Sorry if I’ve ruined it.)

    I agree with Woodguy’s post completely, at a certain frame within the dream. Oh damn. One shot on net, and there goes the final buzzer.

    Don’t worry. The top is still spinning. You’re going to Overtime.
    (But of course, you already knew that).

  73. godot10 says:

    The pro scouting department (apart from the minor hire of Duane Sutter) are still all of Lowe’s buddies. The two new guys, MacT and Scott Howson are Lowe’s buddies.

    It should be abundantly clear who is in charge of pro player procurement on the Edmonton Oilers…i.e. Kevin Lowe.

    Tambellini’s job was to do all the grungy detail parts of the GM’s job, that Lowe didn’t like doing. Building the farm system, managing the amateur scouting department, giving the media someone to talk too.

    The Oilers have a Wirtz/Pulford situation. No competent GM candidate will ever come to Edmonton if “Pulford” is still around. So we better hope that MacT and Howson fix the complacency, laziness, and incompetence that set in in pro scouting after 2006.

    The Pronger acquistion ruined Lowe as a pro talent scout. He (and his team) no longer had to scour the hustings for Smith’s and Staios. Just write a cheque to some older declining NHL player.

    “Pulford” is still the guy calling the shots in Edmonton. There are still no signs that the competent Kevin Lowe pre-2006 is coming back. The lazy incompetent one with all his cronies is still here.

    The fact is when Cal Nichols ordered Sather to get rid of all his crony hangers on was perhaps the main thing that led to the competitive team of the early naughts.

    Lowe’s list of cronies is now longer than the one Sather had by the end of the nineties, and they haven’t found a value-for-money 20-something pro player prospect toiling at the bottom of an NHL roster or in the AHL in over a decade.

  74. rich says:

    @ Bag of Pucks:

    Re: Indecision. Fair question to ask. It’s not hard to be indecisive when it comes to re-signing guys coming off entry level contracts. Making a decision about a number to sign them at is a different issue.

    Give you some examples though of indecision: JDD/DD/NK. Carrying 3 goalies was not a good decision and example of not being able to cut someone lose when it had long been established they were unlikely to make it (JDD).

    Right now with carrying Peckham. My goodness, we’re in the bottom 5 in the NHL, he’s not been playing and you’re going to continue to carry someone the coach won’t play because he can’t get in shape. You really think there’s a risk to losing him on waivers? And even if he did, he’s got to play and so the 5th time he makes a bonehead play and gets shipped out you can get him back. But if not, you at least clear another salary off someone that it’s obvious you don’t have future plans for.

    Those are just two off the top and there are several others where the bad asset management thing is the result of an unwillingness to cut your losses over the fear someone may develop and later bite you.

    Yes, there are other GM’s who make rash decisions that kill them. I’m not – and have not advocated rash decisions because you’re correct, if you do decisions with too much emotion…you have Lowe and the thing over Mike Comrie. But ST swings too far the other way – and whether it’s an inability or just a lack of trust in his own acumen I can’t put a finger on it. But it’s there.

  75. Gret99zky says:

    Reg Dunlop:
    Anyway, don’t the oil play tonight? If Nuge spreads AIDs or whatever he has through the dressing room and the whole Barons squad gets called up, would we be worse off? The yearly slide down the Crisco pole has started, we lose 3-0 again tonight.

    Predicting Calgary to bottom out in the west is fun but if they get value for Iggy, and if, hypothetically the oil pick Lazar at #3 leaving the flames Mackinnon at #4, not only would the flames remain ahead of us but Tambo re-upping Khabbi and Whitney would necessitate the ‘tar and feather’ solution.

    The oilers employ numerous players that are only in the NHL because the oil allow them to be. If not for the oil, Khabbi, Jones, Whitney, Smyth, Petrel, Yakupov and Belanger would not be playing NHL hockey. That is why we are one of the 3 worst teams in the league.

    Well put, Reg.

    I am most afraid of the tar and feather solution. Because Oilers.

  76. hunter1909 says:

    Interesting and telling, Hall/Horcoff’s comments re the fans not being up to scratch. Kevin Lowe I recall berated the fans a few years ago on a radio show in much the same way – and if this is the fucking PRESIDENT then any 1st year Admin Studies major could explain to you that the trickle down entitlement permeating up and down the entire organisation – - starting at the top with Klowe, right down to the scrubs who bully the fans wearing “security” wear at the Rexall Cow Palace(Seals reference) pretty well guarantees the Oilers will continue to be an island of suck for the forseeable forever; not that many who read this haven’t already figured this out but hey, in before the franchise moves to Seattle.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    Re Seattle: Too bad one of the Aldermen or whatever they call those city hall scrubs couldn’t have leapt on the “lets drive Katz to the airport with his Oilers” playfulness throughout the alleged negotiations.

    Hammering away all the time, like Traktor over Horcoff, while the Katz mafia left explaining constantly that they don’t really want to move anywhere, etc.

  78. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    My issue with the ‘he’s not doing enough crowd’ is how readily they gloss over the accomplishments that don’t suit this narrative (e.g. signing Schultz) and they don’t fully appreciate the magnitude of the mess Tambellini inherited nor the disparate agendas he has to satisfy.

    The players that get outshot the worst and need to go are:

    MARKFISTRIC
    RYANSMYTH
    RYANJONES
    RYANWHITNEY
    MIKEBROWN
    ERICBELANGER
    CHRISVANDEVELDE
    LENNARTPETRELL
    BENEAGER

    Hey, look at that!

    Tambellini signed every one of them!

    Inehrited mess was cleaned up 3 years ago.

    The newer, bigger mess of players (1/2 of who are signed into nexst year) is all Tembellini’s.

    You create a strawnman argument when you indicate that being decisive means making bad deals.

    That’s just simply not true.

    I could publish a laundry list of deals that were “decisive” and worked.

    We are asking that they don’t add shitty players.

    Tambellin has added only shitty players.

    The group that went to talk to Shultz was Lowe, MacT, Krueger. He got calls from Hall, Gretzky and Coffey.

    Not a Tambellini to be found.

    The only way you could credit Tambellini with the J.Shultz signing is that he iced a team so shitty that they have top picks coming out the wazoo on forward and a raw rookie could walk onto the team and lead the D in TOI/gm (like J.Shultzz has done) because the D is almost non-existent past Smid and Petry.

    If Tambellini were building a house he would have built a solid foundation (the good kids), but has built the frame out of 3rd grade cull lumber and there isn’t a straight line in whole goddam house and it needs to be torn down.

  79. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:
    Bag of Pucks,

    My issue with the ‘he’s not doing enough crowd’ is how readily they gloss over the accomplishments that don’t suit this narrative (e.g. signing Schultz) and they don’t fully appreciate the magnitude of the mess Tambellini inherited nor the disparate agendas he has to satisfy.

    The players that get outshot the worst and need to go are:

    MARKFISTRIC
    RYANSMYTH
    RYANJONES
    RYANWHITNEY
    MIKEBROWN
    ERICBELANGER
    CHRISVANDEVELDE
    LENNARTPETRELL
    BENEAGER

    Hey, look at that!

    Tambellini signed every one of them!

    Inehrited mess was cleaned up 3 years ago.

    The newer, bigger mess of players (1/2 of who are signed into nexst year) is all Tembellini’s.

    Lowe and his old cronies in pro scouting, including the new expanded crony gang, MacT and Howson, control professional player procurement.

    Why are you blaming Tambellini for things that he is apparently NOT responsible for? He may be an accomplice, but it is difficult to believe that he is the guy calling the shots.

    Tambellini has cleaned out essentially all the other departments of the old guys, and replaced them with new guys, except for the “Pulford” gang, who run professional scoutin and pro player procurement.

  80. denny33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    (Bag of Pucks)My issue with the ‘he’s not doing enough crowd’ is how readily they gloss over the accomplishments that don’t suit this narrative (e.g. signing Schultz)

    I have to assume you are joking…or are a close relative or friend of ST.

    If not, please provide a “list” of the accomplishments you are referring to…

    Just a friendly reminder – walking up to a podium does not count….

    This should be interesting…

  81. prairieschooner says:

    They have put the Band back together again.
    Tambi is the next one out the door.
    I would expect him to get the rest of the season

  82. Bag of Pucks says:

    Rich, those examples you cited are what I was referring to as fairly inconsequential press box moves.

    Yes the 3 goalie monster was maddening and somewhat unprecedented, but lest we forget, the final result was keeping the right goalie (DD over JDD). Better too much evaluation that frustrates and ultimately results in the right call than little to no evaluation at all?

    With Peckham in the press box, how much does this honestly impact the org in a negative way?I would think they made the decision a while back that Whitney or Smid will be gone at the deadline, and they want a Dman practising with the team and ready to go when that happens? I understand the argument for having another forward to provide roster flexibility in that spot, but the Oil don’t really have that forward in the minors, and clearly Peckham is a player they don’t mind languishing in this fashion. Tambellini’s prohibitive sin here is he wants to realize return on assets rather than simply waiving Theo to another squad. Hardly makes him the second coming of Milbury.

  83. godot10 says:

    Focussing the blame on Tambellini lets “Wirtz” and “Pulford” off the hook, and escape accountability.

    If the “Wirtz/Pulford” model stays intact, there is no way a good GM candidate (like Jim Nill) would take the job to replace Tambellini.

    The obsession of the oilogosphere with Tambellini is focussing the criticism in the wrong place.

    And hey Daryl, it doesn’t help when your stooge Dan Tencer goes and sets up the franchise Taylor Hall to be the fall guy.

  84. Bag of Pucks says:

    denny33:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Just a friendly reminder – walking up to a podium does not count….

    Actually, when a team commits to rebuilding through the draft, it does count, or what’s the point of all this?

  85. Bank Shot says:

    Lowe and Tambellini are idiots, but if we are honest with ourselves, we know that they are sandbagging season after season because those are the batman’s orders.

    Look at how involved Katz is with the team. He was supposedly the one pushing for Hossa, he supposedly offered Laraque a contract, tweet leak to the media about MacT not going anywhere, he was one of the Heatley suitors. Big role in landing Schultz, now aggressively pursuing Dekeyser.

    Lowe said in 10-11 that this is a 4-6 year process. This season is season number 3. I don’t think they even get serious about making a push next year. Years 5-6 will probably when they actually attempt to be aggressive. Just in time for the new building.

  86. rich says:

    @ Bag of Pucks:

    Keeping Peckham on the roster means you don’t have any procurement flexibility because you’re currently at 49 contracts.

    Re: JDD, it didn’t take a full season of nonsense to figure out he couldn’t cut it.

  87. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy:

    The players that get outshot the worst and need to go are:

    MARKFISTRIC
    RYANSMYTH
    RYANJONES
    RYANWHITNEY
    MIKEBROWN
    ERICBELANGER
    CHRISVANDEVELDE
    LENNARTPETRELL
    BENEAGER

    Hey, look at that!

    Tambellini signed every one of them!

    Mark Fistric – Says almost everything about Oiler fans we need to know if we’re giving up on this guy after 30 games

    Ryan Smyth – Essentially forced the Oilers to reacquire him and then had his agent play hardball on contract term. Pining for the days of Colin Fraser are we?

    Ryan Jones – Low risk waiver pickup. Cost us nothing and did score a fair few goals. Guess goals aren’t a trendy enough stat for the advanced gang. Btw, the coach doesn’t have to play him.

    Ryan Whitney – Revisionist history. Trade was celebrated when it occured. Injuries/shite happens. Tambellini supposed to use a ouija board before he pulls the trigger?

    Mike Brown – You don’t believe in the player type. No point debating it. Ask his teammates how they feel about him on the roster.

    Eric Belanger – More revisionist history. Acquisition lauded when it occured. Renney lobbied for it.

    CVV – No one is ready to lose their 3 top centres to injury. He’s back in the minors now or hadn’t you heard?

    Lennart Pettrell – Rome wasn’t built in a day? This one mystifies me too

    Eager – See Mike Brown. Term too long. Could’ve worked out if Renney doesn’t let Russian wingnut board him in an intra-squad game.

    The common denominator in all of these players is that they are stopgaps. They’re bums in seats while the development of the core progresses.

    Presumably the goal of this rebuild is to keep costs down while the team sucks (at least I would think that’s one of the ancillary benefits from Katz’ perspective) and ultimately progress to a point where you have sufficient homegrown prospect depth to compete for these jobs.

    Ultimately, this is where the rubber hits the road for me on the evaluation of Tambellini. I don’t much care how many Belanger’s he signs or how they work out. I’m far more interested in whether he actually achieves his aims to transform the Oilers into a development centric organization. I would think this is one of the things that would help to free him from the yoke of Lowe’s pro player oversight? Right now it’s not looking too positive with players like Pitlick, Hamilton, Martindale, etc. trending in the wrong direction but early days.

    But getting bent out of shape over the casual labours hired to shepherd us through the suck? No thanks. I think that’s pure impatience without a view to the big picture.

  88. denny33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    That was half a decade ago….and guess where we are going to finish this year?

    Even the great Chinese Communist Mao Zedong got his stuff done in 5 years…

    Another Grand 5 year plan for ST and crew?

  89. hunter1909 says:

    Normally I allow myself to be as gullible as anyone, but…

    “A Sense of Entitlement” is:

    A – A new daytime soap opera

    B – Working M.O. of everyone connected to the Edmonton Oilers from Kevin Lowe downward through the team from Horcoff now to Taylor Hall ha ha we’re fucked folks.

    C – the Canadian government

  90. hunter1909 says:

    PS: No need to worry about cheering, because the precious Oilers are playing away in Nashville tonight. It’s almost like they’re leaving town to let the fans think about the Entitlement issues explained so carefully by both Horcoff and Taylor Hall.

    Last Game: I counted 3:00 minutes exactly until the Oilers stopped competing.

    Tonight’s Game: Over/Under is 15:00 into the 2nd period.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    denny33: That was half a decade ago….and guess where we are going to finish this year?
    Even the great Chinese Communist Mao Zedong got his stuff done in 5 years…
    Another Grand 5 year plan for ST and crew?

    To be fair(to management) any talk of five years has got to start with the hiring of MacT.

  92. hunter1909 says:

    denny33: Even the great Chinese Communist Mao Zedong got his stuff done in 5 years…

    To be fair, all Mao had to contend with was the nationalists/Japanese/long march…

  93. hunter1909 says:

    Lenny Bruce’s ghost is scheduled to MC the annual Katz+management shindig. The ghost steps up to the mike:

    Ghost: “You know, the average person has no idea what it takes to run an NHL hockey team”.

    Applause and titters coming from the management head table.

    Ghost: “Well neither does the management of the Edmonton Oilers”.

    Uproar. Fade Out.

  94. Bag of Pucks says:

    rich:
    @ Bag of Pucks:

    Re: JDD, it didn’t take a full season of nonsense to figure out he couldn’t cut it.

    Steve Simmons had an article about former Leaf GM John Ferguson last week, specifically his actions during the Rask for Raycroft trade. The gist is that he consulted almost no one in the org, scouts included, before making that deal, This despite the fact that almost no one in the org thought Pogge was the keeper over Rask, and certainly nobody thought Raycroft for Rask was an upgrade. This is the folly of being imprudent and too decisive for your own good.

    From all accounts, Tambellini practises a style of management that I’m a big fan of (inclusive management). He solicits the opinions of many people in the org before forming final decisions. Not only does this enable him to best access the various levels of expertise at his disposal, it creates an excellent team orientation within all ranks of the org with everyone feeling their opinion matters. Is it a little slow at times for Joe Fan? Probably? Is it preferable to something like the John Ferguson scenario outlined above or previous Oiler management debacles like Kevin Lowe losing Corey Perry over a rash, hotheaded decision to rub Comries’ nose in the dirt? I think so.

    That’s the tricky thing in all of this. No knows when exactly it will all gell. For example, Burke’s rebuild in TO looked like an abject failure 6 months ago. Does it now?

  95. fuzzy muppet says:

    Holy Balls!

    Carolina signs Semin for 5 years/7 per! Unreal. What the fuck was the lockout for?

    Hall’s contract gains value daily.

  96. gogliano says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Holy Balls!

    Carolina signs Semin for 5 years/7 per!Unreal.What the fuck was the lockout for?

    Hall’s contract gains value daily.

    I’d also take Eberle’s next five years over Semin’s next five years.

  97. spoiler says:

    Cooper gets to coach in the NHL…

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419104

    What a meteoric rise. Might be a little diffferent in Tampa though, with no goaltending.

  98. OilLeak says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Holy Balls!

    Carolina signs Semin for 5 years/7 per!Unreal.What the fuck was the lockout for?

    Hall’s contract gains value daily.

    Gagner’s wallet is going to get very heavy in the off-season. RFA or not.

  99. LoDog says:

    gogliano: I’d also take Eberle’s next five years over Semin’s next five years.

    Easy now. Signing Hall and Eberle to long term deals a year early and before the CBA was foolish and a firing offence.

  100. TheOtherJohn says:

    Gotta love guys pumping up the tires of Oiler management. Examples used are John Ferguson jr and K Lowe. What next so and so is a better ski jumper than Eddie the Eagle Edwards. The roster lies at he feet of LoweBellini nd both should be gassed for ineptitude.

    Identify bad FA signing: check
    Pay too much $$; check
    Sign too long term; check
    Lots 1 way deals in AHL; check
    Agonize over signing core guys; check
    Have all buddies working for you; check

    Forgot 6 rings; check gotta know something about winning…….. Apparently not

    While spending to 90% of cap

  101. TheOtherJohn says:

    LoDog: Easy now. Signing Hall and Eberle to long term deals a year early and before the CBA was foolish and a firing offence.

    Have never seen anyone Q Hall deal. Have seen lots of people question Eberle @ $6m for 5 years. based on unsustainable shooting percentage. Last time Oilers did that was Horcoff contract. how’d that work out? it could also set bar for RNH, JSchultz & Yak in 1-2 years resulting in $30 for 5 guys leaving $35m for 18 other guys including a #1 goalie

  102. RickDeckard says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Last year he would have had a longer contract with a tail to reduce the cap hit. For example Hossa is $7.9M per year for the first seven years of his contract and Crosby is $11.45M per year for the first 6 years of his contract. A “new” cap hit of $7M is a lot different from an “old” cap hit of $7M.

  103. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bag of Pucks: Tambellini practises a style of management that I’m a big fan of

    And… credulity strains to the breaking point, shakes hands with 46 of Britain’s greatest character actors, winces in the face of the big crunch, abandons the notion of any stable referent ever existing and sits down to enjoy a ham sandwich only later to be found dead of a staff infection.

  104. Kitchener says:

    Time to opening faceoff: 15 minutes

    Time to Oilers officially becoming deadline sellers: 3 hours

    The silver lining: clarity

  105. Lowetide says:

    Bruins have a scout watching the Oilers AGAIN tonight, and with Whitney out I’d say that the showcase must be Smid and or Ryan Jones.

  106. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Bruins have a scout watching the Oilers AGAIN tonight, and with Whitney out I’d say that the showcase must be Smid and or Ryan Jones.

    maybe whitney’s in the box so he can schmooze the scout with his wit and local accent?

  107. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: maybe whitney’s in the box so he can schmooze the scout with his wit and local accent?

    Can we get a chah-tah back to Bahs-tan and have some chowda?

  108. hunter1909 says:

    Fuck is the Predator’s media broadcast ever professionallly perfect.

  109. Ice Sage says:

    Lowetide:
    Bruins have a scout watching the Oilers AGAIN tonight, and with Whitney out I’d say that the showcase must be Smid and or Ryan Jones.

    Tyler / Taylor do-over?

  110. hunter1909 says:

    In order to remain sane, I’ve decided to cheer for the opposition tonight, and perhaps every night for the rest of the season.

    We’ll see.

  111. hunter1909 says:

    Go Preds.

  112. Gret99zky says:

    hunter1909:
    Fuck is the Predator’s media broadcast ever professionallly perfect.

    You mean the host isn’t dressed as a doctor?

  113. pboy says:

    godot10,

    This is a great post!

  114. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    that was probably the text book Oiler zone exit…. haha

  115. Lowetide says:

    Fistric with a big hit and Potter with an errant pass.

  116. Lowetide says:

    Yakupov with a bit of a lazy pass there, Nashville keeps it in. #rookie

  117. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    corey potter power play with a huge assist by the ref.

  118. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Jones.

  119. Lowetide says:

    Dubnyk is having a nice game

    Potter (Nuge, Hemsky)

  120. hunter1909 says:

    So far, cheering for Oiler’s opponent’s has been a doddle.

    First, Nashville are a far better team, the Oilers look cheap, always trying to cut corners and more often than not losing whatever exchange they’re trying to cheat.

    I cheered when that floating Eberle got flattened, let me tell you.

  121. delooper says:

    LoDog: Easy now. Signing Hall and Eberle to long term deals a year early and before the CBA was foolish and a firing offence.

    And if the Oilers waited until the last minute like you’re advocating, if not you, somebody would be chirping away how this sends a bad message to free agents, that the Oilers aren’t presenting the image of a team that’s confident about its future blah blah blah. These little nit-picks are just that, they’re the things unsatisfied people say, but they’re meaningless.

  122. fuzzy muppet says:

    Instead of Whining to the Ref, maybe 4 should not turn the puck over

  123. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers should fold now, that they’ve been exposed as a bunch of spineless weaklings.

  124. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    The common denominator in all of these players is that they are stopgaps. They’re bums in seats while the development of the core progresses.

    What a steaming pile of bullshit.

    All the other teams that tanked have fired their tank management and have started to add good players.

    Stop gap to what? The kids are already the best players on the team.

    Gruel thin reasoning to why the Oilers have terrible pro-procurement.

    Awful.

    Also, 5 and 83 need to figure out who to check on that goal.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Hall’s back diving, like an asshole.

    Horcoff will be back next season, of course. Right? They need his rare ability to translate the emotions of a third line grinder elevated to eternal Edmonton Oilers captain of Entitlement.

  126. delooper says:

    Oilers aren’t passing very well. Potter is making lazy passes.

  127. jake70 says:

    “Stop gap to what? The kids are already the best players on the team.”

    This is true, but, correct me if I am wrong, they don’t outscore the opposition’s top players (not outchance, outshoot…but outscore) 5×5 yet, thus the word progression.

  128. delooper says:

    Yakupov’s passes aren’t lazy. If anything they’re too ambitious.

  129. Lowetide says:

    There was a sequence there where Ryan Smyth was cheating for offense outside the blueline and Jones WAS CHEATING SO MUCH HE WASN’T IN THE PICTURE!

  130. hunter1909 says:

    MPS/Kreuger must read this blog, doing exactly what I was advising not a few weeks ago because MPS is making with his Phil Esposito act in front of the Preds goalie…driving him crazy in the process. Magnus for his trouble got 2-3 crosschecks, but MPS didn’t flinch.

    The last Oilers powerplay looked very good, from this Pred’s fan pov.

  131. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    There was a sequence there where Ryan Smyth was cheating for offense outside the blueline and Jones WAS CHEATING SO MUCH HE WASN’T IN THE PICTURE!

    It’s not called “cheating” it’s called “advanced offensive opportunity exploitation”

  132. Woodguy says:

    jake70:
    “Stop gap to what? The kids are already the best players on the team.”

    This is true, but, correct me if I am wrong,they don’t outscore the opposition’s top players (not outchance, outshoot…but outscore) 5×5 yet, thus the word progression.

    None of them are out scoring anything.

    The rest of team is horrid enough to be worse.

    4,93,14 out shot tough comp, with a normal sh%, they would have out scored as well, but a group that shoots 9% on average shot 4%.

  133. spoiler says:

    Christ the ice is shit in this building. Passing is more a matter of luck than skill on this surface.

    Anyone else getting the impression that the Preds stats guy is very conservative at counting shots? I had different numbers for two of those PPs (one for NSH, one for EDM). Might explain why Nashville’s shot production is one of the lowest (the lowest?) in the league.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    When Oilers have half a team of plugs/basket cases/broken bodies/hacks/overpaid entitlement captains etc…

    they’re not going to win many games.

  135. hunter1909 says:

    PS: LOL at worrying about paying Smid/Gagner, with Horcoff’s sucking 5.5 million for his obligatory 30 games per season.

  136. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    There was a sequence there where Ryan Smyth was cheating for offense outside the blueline and Jones WAS CHEATING SO MUCH HE WASN’T IN THE PICTURE!

    Saw that too.

    Puck was still up for grabs near the blue and 28 is at the opposing blue.

    With Jones you get Pat Kane defensive habits with none of the skill.

  137. spoiler says:

    If these yahoos are right and Khabby can pull a second rounder, then fuckin trade him right now!

    I don’t actually believe them though.

  138. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    ummm… so… can we get that 2nd round pick for nik now… sportsnet seal of approval!

    also… SSSHH-mid??? really?

  139. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 19s

    Chances after 20: 4-5; 4-2 ST

  140. hunter1909 says:

    2nd rounder? Outstanding! Oiler’s can always use another reach pick, like Mitch Moroz.

    Maybe they could package it, like the time they sent a pair of 1st round picks to steal Riley Nash from under the noses of Sam Pollock’s ghost, among others.

    “It’s 1-1. Anything can happen.” Horcoff.

  141. delooper says:

    How’r dem Eulers doin’?

  142. hunter1909 says:

    Nauseating Prediction: Tambellini(and his panel) use deadline day to bring back some old Oiler favourite player, like Mike Green. But since that’s the best player I can imagine, it’s probably Tom Poti.

  143. Lowetide says:

    Hahahahahaha. I mean really.

  144. fuzzy muppet says:

    Christ. 89 was sleeping in the slot…yuck

  145. spoiler says:

    RNH on FOs after that shift: 1W -8L. Don’t know if the kid should be in the line up tonight.

    Jones gets mauled in the Ozone and then the 4th line loses their panties in their own zone.

  146. hunter1909 says:

    4:30 left in the 2nd and the backbreaking goal scored. Looks like tonight it’s going to be the under, lol.

  147. hunter1909 says:

    I’m feeling sorry for you poor Oiler fans tonight. Cheering for the Preds rules, ha ha.

    Yakupov always looks so lost, like someone’s little brother. It’s incredibly stupid, and funny.

  148. spoiler says:

    Sorry, didn’t realize that two thirds of the 4th line had already vaminosed for the bench.

  149. nelson88 says:

    Schultz Jr. is a great talent but the last few games he looks injured or gassed. They should give him a couple days off but not likely with limited depth and folks being shipped out at the trade deadline.

  150. VanOil says:

    “Smid’s neighborhood is not equivalent to Mr. Rogers” according to the Nashville broadcast team. These bits of wisdom are what keeps me going as an Oiler fan because a winning hockey team is a distant memory.

  151. Lowetide says:

    Nice save there by Dubnyk. I know there’s an entire wing of Oilers Nation that believes he’s an ECHL goalie but I like him plenty and the bond is growing.

  152. spoiler says:

    Nice slew foot interference on Schultz goes uncalled.

  153. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Nice save there by Dubnyk. I know there’s an entire wing of Oilers Nation that believes he’s an ECHL goalie but I like him plenty and the bond is growing.

    I’ve like his game tonight other than the two times he wandered behind the crease and took his damn time to make a play. He looks really calm in his crease tonight.

  154. gcw_rocks says:

    Ottawa signs another college free agent:

    Buddy Robinson (Lake Superior State) — F – signed by Ottawa Senators on March 25 – Another early departure for the Lake Superior State Lakers in college free agency this year, Robinson is the kind of player that you take a chance on due to the low cost. At 6-foot-5 and 222 pounds, his size is an attractive quality. He put up 16 points as a sophomore this season at LSSU after a 10-point freshman campaign last year. He did have 62 points in 51 games his last year of junior hockey, so there may be a bit more offensive upside to this big forward. Robinson’s name hadn’t come up in conversations I’ve had with scouts in terms of college free agents, so Ottawa may have done a good job doing their homework to get this 21-year-old. That or they remembered him from his junior days playing in suburban Nepean. It’s a tough loss for LSSU after already seeing Kellan Lain leave to free agency. That’s two guys over 6-foot-5 from the forward lineup gone. That’s pretty tough to replace as the Lakers head into their first year in the newfangled WCHA. As far as Ottawa is concerned, they have a new big-bodied player in their system with plenty of development left ahead at a very low price”

    h__p://unitedstatesofhockey.com/2013/03/20/nhl-college-free-agent-tracker-updated-march-20/

  155. fuzzy muppet says:

    Awful play by 45.

    Sell Sell Sell..its over

  156. Kitchener says:

    3:1 Preds. Time to start selling.

  157. Hayek says:

    Wow, there is the opportunity cost of hitting right there. Brutal Fistric….

  158. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    wow… just wow… that was amazing.

  159. VanOil says:

    I see a defeated hockey team. Elevator shaft, to level P3, P4 if the breaks hit.

  160. jake70 says:

    Why was Potter wandering over?

  161. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “just a little bit of a defensive mishap” is up there with “just a little bit outside” from Major League

  162. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    jake70:
    Why was Potter wandering over?

    fistric smells good… all that “grit musk”

  163. SK Oiler Fan says:

    WTF were Potter and Smid doing? They turned a harmless 2 on 2 into a 2 on 0. What a dumb team. Like fk the forwards didn’t even cross and the D are crossing? Pee Wee hockey

  164. Lowetide says:

    jake70:
    Why was Potter wandering over?

    He can’t seem to play it straight, can he?

  165. Kitchener says:

    For sh*ts & giggles: Yakupov to Boston for Seguin. If you’re Tambo, would you do it?

  166. nelson88 says:

    it wasn’t smid. louie is on drugs. literally

  167. jake70 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: fistric smells good… all that “grit musk”

    At least Fistric didn’t break his tailbone this time on the ass-first hit attempt.

  168. delooper says:

    Kitchener,

    Nah, let’s pretend you’re Oilers medical staff and a player comes into the locker-room with a laceration on the leg due to broken stick.

  169. VanOil says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    The fancy stats are to awful to contemplate. The normal stats are even worse. So I am turning to numerology.

    First attempt: 44+45 do not equal anywhere near 89% an competent bottom defensive pair. Oilers Magic.

  170. spoiler says:

    Both Fistric and Potter took the puck carrier. Have to have better communication than that. Although the fault for the read, once Potter comes over and is higher in the zone, is on Fistric. You can see his eyes on the replay. Total brainlock for that hit. It doesn’t matter which one takes the wide guy, though, as long as one of them does.

  171. delooper says:

    It’s neat how when Yakupov misses the net, on the rebound the puck hits the ice like it’s doing 2000+ rpm along a diameter.

    When you have something with cylindrical symmetry about an axis, what do you call one of the orthogonal axis? For a puck at least it’s its diameter. Anyhow, that axis.

  172. spoiler says:

    Nice to see Gagner battling for the puck behind his net and holding onto his check all the way back to the crease. He’s been better in his own end for about a fortnight now, to my eye.

  173. Ribs says:

    Kitchener:
    For sh*ts & giggles:Yakupov to Boston for Seguin.If you’re Tambo, would you do it?

    Let me think about it…………..zzzzzzzzzz…

  174. Rebilled says:

    Most Valuable Elevator Shaft will probably start vs. the Blues.

  175. spoiler says:

    Has Belanger taken a shift since the first period?

  176. Lowetide says:

    Man. This is dreadful. That 4th line couldn’t be worse if they were playing for the other team. Fuck me.

  177. hunter1909 says:

    delooper,

    Yakupov has the “Jimi Hendrix in a bar band” situation – no one understands him(except Pajaarvi).

  178. cabbiesmacker says:

    TSN has a real hockey game with real hockey players on. Hawks vs Kings.

    None of the Midget AAA stuff on Sportsnet.

    My apologies to MIdget AAA players everywhere.

  179. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler:
    Has Belanger taken a shift since the first period?

    2 apparently:

    http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20122013/TV020475.HTM

  180. Ducey says:

    Last intermission Doug MacLean said Bulin should be worth a second round pick.

    Wow.

  181. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    let the running of hemsky out of town resume!

  182. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide:
    Man. This is dreadful. That 4th line couldn’t be worse if they were playing for the other team. Fuck me.

    Hats off for being able to distinguish between the Oilers 4th and 1st LT. All look the same to me.

    Looks like a team who’s accepted it’s fate

  183. sliderule says:

    I like a lot of what Fistric brings but holy hell he just confirmed he is worth about 1million

    Laddy is also sinking to 3.2 million

    I always loved Hemsky but it’s like he doesn’t give a shit.Move him even if you have to take contract back

  184. hunter1909 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I love Hemsky’s seasonal ten game spurt of excellence as much as the next idiot, but…

  185. fuzzy muppet says:

    Ducey,

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why he isn’t a GM anymore

  186. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    sportsnet: nik worth an easy 2nd rounder. Hemsky worth nothing.

    can we trade with these guys? are they the guys making the picks for tambi?

  187. cabbiesmacker says:

    Kitchener:
    For sh*ts & giggles:Yakupov to Boston for Seguin.If you’re Tambo, would you do it?

    Duh?

  188. Ribs says:

    spoiler:
    Has Belanger taken a shift since the first period?

    I read that wrong the first time, but ya know, that may be his problem.

  189. dessert1111 says:

    This team sucks. It’s not the 4th line or the bottom defense pairing, it’s the team itself. It’s pretty depressing for us die hards, let’s be honest. At least March Madness will distract me for the next couple of weeks. I don’t know what the hell they need to do but if I wake up tomorrow and the entire organization is fired I will breathe a sigh of relief.

  190. Lowetide says:

    dessert1111:
    This team sucks. It’s not the 4th line or the bottom defense pairing, it’s the team itself. It’s pretty depressing for us die hards, let’s be honest. At least March Madness will distract me for the next couple of weeks. I don’t know what the hell they need to do but if I wake up tomorrow and the entire organization is fired I will breathe a sigh of relief.

    Nah, there are good hockey players on the club but the gap between good and bad is miles and miles of miles and miles.

  191. Ribs says:

    Matty tweets….

    Eric Belanger reinjured his groin in the 2nd period, a game and half back, putting Ryan Smyth back at centre. Paging Anton Lander.

  192. jake70 says:

    Makes for some entertaining posts these Oilers on many a night.

  193. VanOil says:

    Rebilled:
    Most Valuable Elevator Shaft will probably start vs. the Blues.

    Oilers would sweep the NHL version of the Razzies

  194. cabbiesmacker says:

    Ribs:
    Matty tweets….

    Eric Belanger reinjured his groin in the 2nd period, .

    Well he’s been pulling it all season so it was bound to break at some point

  195. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    cabbiesmacker: Well he’s been pulling it all season so it was bound to break at some point

    reminds one of the “claw” hand model episode of Seinfeld

  196. stevezie says:

    Well that settles it, I am going to stop be productive and go watch the game. It sounds interesting in a clinical sense.

    Any team with Hall and hemsky should be at least watchable.

  197. DBO says:

    So belanger out with groin again. Please call up Lander, at least put a darn centre in the lineup. And while you are at it, deal Whitney, Bulin, Jones, Petrell and beg someone to take Eager and belanger. Too much to ask?

  198. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 8s

    Chances after 40 min: 5-13; 4-2 EV

  199. spoiler says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: 2 apparently:http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20122013/TV020475.HTM

    Apparently not. I only see one and it was the one that ended on the line change that resulted in the goal. And now Louie solves the mystery for me.

    …And apparently Twitter beat Louie.

  200. spoiler says:

    Someone told Hemsky there were Boston scouts in the crowd.

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