THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY

Guys? GUYS? Hellllloooooooooooooooo? Can anyone hear me? Is this thing working? 1. 2. test. test. Okay. I have a few things I want to pass along.

  1. Hall’s hurt. Get him healthy.
  2. Yakupov should play RW.
  3. Your bottom 6 forwards are trash. Former members of the Oakland Seals are catching deja vu.
  4. You are allowed to improve your team during the season.
  5. Breakouts often involve planning.
  6. Dump and chase is dumb and dumber when your skilled players are on the ice.
  7. Not picking up Hamrlik was stupid.
  8. Your center depth is so bad the league should step in.
  9. Mike Babcock tooled our guy tonight. Maybe roll some tape with the coach.
  10. I think it would be a fine idea to post a sticky that says “avoid being on the lottery show” on Steve Tambellini’s desk.

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  1. wordbird says:

    “Ladies and gentlemen… your 2007-2113 Edmonton Oilers! “

  2. DBO says:

    yep. all agreed LT.

  3. PDO says:

    Good post.

    You missed one.

    Kruger had Brown on the ice against Zetterberg.

  4. Lowetide says:

    PDO:
    Good post.

    You missed one.

    Kruger had Brown on the ice against Zetterberg.

    Was that by choice? I lost count, once Hemsky left I think coach Krueger may have gotten into the bath salts.

  5. ohhell says:

    What happened to Hemsky? Missed the game.

  6. regwald says:

    This train is officially off the tracks … and it looks like a fire might have started. Do you think Tambo will even notice ?

  7. Southern Oil says:

    regwald:
    This train is officially off the tracks … and it looks like a fire might have started. Do you think Tambo will even notice ?

    No, he was too busy trying to figure out the remote.

  8. DBO says:

    Hemsky ankle not broken

  9. BlacqueJacque says:

    CALLED IT ABOUT YAKUPOV ON THE RIGHT WING!

    You’re also totally right about #1. This season is done. Over. Hall looked like a combination of pissy and apathetic yesterday in the interview with Gazzola on the oilers site. Pissy because we’re losing and he’s forced to play hurt, and apathetic because management can’t give him help.

    In fact, you’re right about it all.

    I’m going to email this to Steve.

  10. Captain's Log says:

    6. Dump and chase is dumb and dumberer when your skilled players on the ice.

    Yes but the alternative lately isn’t working either. Right now Hall/Eberle/Nuge/Hemsky are almost invariably turning the puck over in the first 15 feet of the zone if they hold onto it.

    Dan Tencer: the wake up call continues for the Oilers.

    Nope Dan, there’s no wake up call for this team. They would much rather sleep through the season.

  11. striatic says:

    i am not sure anyone knows how to take this team and build a contender out of them, but trading Hemsky for either C or D seems so obvious right now.

    missing Hall at 100% is a season killer, but it seems like losing Hartikainen has hurt almost as much. maybe this is just coincidence but i don’t think so.

  12. PDO says:

    Lowetide: Was that by choice? I lost count, once Hemsky left I think coach Krueger may have gotten into the bath salts.

    I don’t care what the reason is. There’s no excuse to ever be caught in that bad of a mismatch.

    That simply doesn’t happen to a good coach. Either our coach isn’t good at benchmanaging (bad) or doesn’t care (worse). It’s a story. Would be nice of the MSM to pick up on it.

  13. Woodguy says:

    You”re just still pissed from what Stauffer said.

    I thought that it was the best played game on the road trip.

    Got their collective asses handed to them, but they played the hockey they are coached to play.

    Management is rot.

    Clear them all out, starting with Lowe.

    6 years of failure is not noise in the data, its the truth.

  14. rickithebear says:

    Daryl katz runs a business that profits off sick people
    1. feels ggod about helping Or
    2. loves the miery of others.

    I have watched the oilers under his ownership.

    katz is one sick fuck!

  15. DBO says:

    hall-nuge-eberle
    paajarvi-gagner-yakupov
    harsky-horcoff-hemsky
    jones-belanger-brown

    ugly, but best we can field i guess when healthy and that is an indictment of management.

  16. Woodguy says:

    PDO: I don’t care what the reason is.There’s no excuse to ever be caught in that bad of a mismatch.

    That simply doesn’t happen to a good coach.Either our coach isn’t good at benchmanaging (bad) or doesn’t care (worse).It’s a story.Would be nice of the MSM to pick up on it.

    Rk does that all day long to get a mistatch with 4-94-14

    Based on the results, he’s right.

    Too bad they don’t score enough.

  17. RexLibris says:

    I’ve been patient, supportive even. But this is ridiculous. I don’t mind losing to the Wings because, hey, who hasn’t? But to have your trio of best players nullified, and so very little else to match up against what any other team can ice…this is broken. Again.

    This summer I hope that Tambellini and Lowe are both removed. They’ve had their shot, and something needed to be seen. My benchmark was to see better decisions made with and without the puck, and while there has been some development there, and I recognize that the players are making do without much practice time, this team is flirting with Islander territory here.

    I’d like to think that autonomy, a solid operating budget, the promise of a new building, and a talented young core of players would be enough to lure the best and brightest management talent to Edmonton *coughJimNillcough*. But I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    On the bright side, Columbus beat Vancouver in OT tonight, so maybe Seth Jones, Jonathan Drouin or Nathan MacKinnon can be had yet?!

    Excuse me while I go resume the fetal position until draft day.

  18. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lowetide: Was that by choice? I lost count, once Hemsky left I think coach Krueger may have gotten into the bath salts.

    I think it was the result of a Detroit line change and an icing.

    edit: Detroit also has matchup advantage, being at home.

  19. Jon K says:

    Watching the Oilers has become such an exercise in futility that I really don’t feel like a lesser fan for changing the channel midway through the second. I haven’t discussed stress with my doctor recently but I think he’d approve of my choice.

  20. Henry says:

    PDO: I don’t care what the reason is.There’s no excuse to ever be caught in that bad of a mismatch.

    That simply doesn’t happen to a good coach.Either our coach isn’t good at benchmanaging (bad) or doesn’t care (worse).It’s a story.Would be nice of the MSM to pick up on it.

    PDO,

    Unless the coach had to identify to management that he hasn’t been supplied with NHL players in his bottom six. MacT used to do this too.

  21. BlacqueJacque says:

    Henry,

    i was about to rip into MacTavish by pointing out his record as coach, and as I found his wikipedia page I saw that his abysmal final season, where I loathed him so much for playing Peterson… the Oilers had 88 points.

    88 points! That’s like El Dorado or Shangri La for this team right now.

  22. ohhell says:

    Well for those of us who are season ticket holders, it’s suvey time again. A chance for season seat holders to express themselves. Man, this needs to end – I can hardly stomach watching the Oilers play and it inevitably leaves me vascilating between pissed off and depressed. I have attended only one game this year and I regretted it; I will not attend another. Doing my part I guess – the rest will be included in the additional comments section of the survey. It’s crap, embarrasing. I blame management. I also question where Krueger’s motivational capabilities are cause I’m not seeing it. Rant over, glad that’s off my chest. Cheers.

  23. ohhell says:

    Also, my vote is for Barkov – the only silver lining to this insanity.

  24. jimbones100 says:

    Captain's Log,

    Don’t start laying blame on the Oilers most effective players. These kids have no supporting cast and that is a crime I tell you.

    Hrudey gave the example this week that when the Sedins entered the NHL they played behind the first line of Morrison, Naslund, Bertuzzi. Not our boys. They get thrown to the wolves.

  25. "Steve Smith" says:

    On the upside, North Korea, which is run by loons, is threatening a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the United States, and there’s a good chance that would result in the cancellation of the rest of the NHL season.

  26. stener says:

    Long time reader, first time poster. Not much of an internet personality, but the game tonight struck a chord.

    What a dud organization. Changes won’t come until the house is cleaned. Three players might have looked like they were trying tonight. I want to like Krueger, but the team looks weak, timid and unorganized in the vast majority of games. Our veterans either suck or are injured, and our stars (with exception to Hall and Gags) are underperforming. Dark days. Thank god I’m a closet hawks fan.

  27. hunter1909 says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Ha ha ha ha ha.

  28. Henry says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    Yeah, MacT was a very good rancher when he had some horses. Decent when he didn’t. Pat Quinn won everywhere but here, Renney was good with Sather’s team. RK seems smart as heck, but motivation from the coach only goes so far, confidence from success works wonders. The composition of the team is the problem. Shawn Horcoff should not be so critical to the success of the team because there are too few decent centres. This road trip and the homestand before have exsanguinated the team. 9 games, who fucking planned that?

    I hate to see a man lose his job, but the bad side of me would like to see Tambi proudly draft Seth Jones and get gassed the next day.

  29. gogliano says:

    The good news is that a competent and willing GM can fix this team in one offseason, and pretty easily.

    We now have a bona fide #1 line — they’ve tailed off but all three of them are playing hurt. We have the skill to fill a #2 line. We now have a starting goalie. We’re lacking in the high end D department and that is hard to fix but J. Schultz can play and we’re set for the PP.

    But I’ll probably watch very little of the remainder of this season. It is mostly painful.

  30. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    On the upside, North Korea, which is run by loons, is threatening a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the United States, and there’s a good chance that would result in the cancellation of the rest of the NHL season.

    You see, people? some of us are working their butts off trying to find a silver lining! That’s what we’re looking for what???????????//

  31. asiaoil says:

    For me the final tell will be the trade deadline. If the clowns in mgmt are serious about competing next year, then they have to be serious buyers and sellers. There are so many changes to be made that it can’t wait for the off-season. You need to start filling holes now and build some excitement at the end of this season that carries over to UFA signing period and the next training camp. If these dolts simply tank as they obviously have been doing since Horcoff went down and expect another high draft pick to fix everything, then have have failed the players and we are well on our way to being NYI north.

  32. rich says:

    @ Captain’s Log:

    If Tencer said this is a wake up call for the Oilers, he’s dead wrong.

    The wake up call is for Mr. Katz to stop accepting this “male bovine caca” senior management group.

    Lowe/Tambellini are the ones responsible for this group on the ice. A change in the people most responsible for this is overdue. If Katz continues to allow this to perpetuate, he has only himself to blame for being the equivalent of Charles Wang and his destruction of a once proud franchise.

    MacTavish has not been back long enough to be judged. Krueger is left trying to make chicken salad out of chicken crap. Lowe/Tambellini have and they need to be shown the door. This should not be accepted any longer.

  33. Henry says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    It might be worth considering trading Tamblowe for Kim Jong Un. Really how bad could it be? On second thought, that would be an awful thing to do to the Koreans.

  34. pboy says:

    I wonder if Lindy Ruff would take a GM job?

  35. Captain Happy says:

    Apparently the PRK nukes are aimed at Seattle but considering the track record of the North Korean regime, it’s highly likely their aim could wipe out NE Edmonton.

    That might be a blessing…on several levels.

  36. jimbones100 says:

    Detroit is the example. They bring their young players in and they play behind the vets. The kids get protected from the spotlight and pressure and emerge when they are ready.

    The goal for this team should be to bring in veterans that play as our 1A line. We obviously can’t get the very best players but players like Riberio and Ryder become available.

    I feel very sorry for 93,14,4. These kids are special but will not flourish in this environment.

  37. BlacqueJacque says:

    Twitterbomb the media with a fire management campaign?

  38. wordbird says:

    it’s all been hype, a smokescreen, etc.

    Principe prefacing his questions for the opposition with “You know the Oilers are a young, fast, skilled, talented team blah blah blah… “.

    it never stops.

  39. "Steve Smith" says:

    Henry,

    I’d feel much more secure, as a denizen of Earth, knowing that nuclear annihilation was dependent on Steve Tambellini doing something decisive.

  40. RMGS says:

    “Mike Babcock tooled our guy tonight. Maybe roll some tape with the coach.”

    Can’t lay this lost season at his feet, but this is not the first time the above has happened. Maybe I was blinded by hope and his powers of persuasion, but the coach has been making odd in-game and between-game decisions for a while now.

    Then again, it matters not, because the “Rebuild Timeline” (praise be unto it) has yet to pass into a manage-the-team-to-try-to-win phase. All of this brought to you by the Rexall family of pharmacies!

  41. pboy says:

    asiaoil:
    For me the final tell will be the trade deadline. If the clowns in mgmt are serious about competing next year, then they have to be serious buyers and sellers. There are so many changes to be made that it can’t wait for the off-season. You need to start filling holes now and build some excitement at the end of this season that carries over to UFA signing period and the next training camp. If these dolts simply tank as they obviously have been doing since Horcoff went down and expect another high draft pick to fix everything, then have have failed the players and we are well on our way to being NYI north.

    I agree completely. Also, if RNH is hurt, get him surgery now. Keep Hall out of the line-up until he’s better. Let #19 & #64 watch a game or two from the press box, so they can get a different perspective on the game.

    Fuck, I hate the hierarchy of this team.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Captain Happy:
    Apparently the PRK nukes are aimed at Seattle but considering the track record of the North Korean regime, it’s highly likely their aim could wipe out NE Edmonton.

    That might be a blessing…on several levels.

    HEY! St. Albert is in that general area!

  43. hunter1909 says:

    Katz’s smarter than I thought. First he drives everyone nuts. Then, he sells meds for the insanity he’s created.

  44. Henry says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Henry,

    I’d feel much more secure, as a denizen of Earth, knowing that nuclear annihilation was dependent on Steve Tambellini doing something decisive.

    “Steve Smith”,

    I’m going to have to work my way back to ‘denizen’. This game made me hit the Wild Turkey. Hope tomorrow will be better, but it won’t. Thanks Steve.

  45. Henry says:

    Captain Happy:
    Apparently the PRK nukes are aimed at Seattle but considering the track record of the North Korean regime, it’s highly likely their aim could wipe out NE Edmonton.

    That might be a blessing…on several levels.

    Captain Happy,

    As long as they miss Fort Saskatchewan. Love that place.

  46. SK Oiler Fan says:

    They’re Islanders West. Common theme: ownership and management that are overmatched by every other organization in every way. I’ve accepted that every 6 to 8 years this team will somehow squeek in to the 2nd season due to everything falling into place to create an average team and other teams falling apart. I’ll cheer like hell for them then.
    I’m caring and paying much less attention to the Oilers over the past few years. Instead, I’ve started to follow the Jets. They remind me of the Oilers of the 90s. Overmatched in talent most nights and have trouble scoring, but man they work hard. Evander is fun to watch (like Hall) and big Buff is dominant at times. Love their coach Noel. Great pressers, honest and realistic. And they’re fans in their arena are still on the honeymon so they’re fun to. Highly recommend giving them a try. Much better entertainment value and the TV presentation makes sportsnet look amature.

  47. icecastles says:

    Henry: the bad side of me would like to see Tambi proudly draft Seth Jones and get gassed the next day

    Why give him the pleasure?

    Every day Tambo is still in office is another day of inaction – both perceived and actual. A message needs to be sent to both the fanbase and to the players that somewhere, on some level, somebody in management still gives a shit. To leave Dithers at the helm for the trade deadline seems pointless. Even if another GM is incapable of getting up to speed in time to have a significant impact, it’s not as if he is replacing someone who is having any impact.

    I’d love to see Katz make good on his words when he first bought the team and demonstrate that he’s tired of losing. Fire the GM now. Restore some confidence.

    Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something rash. This is not one of those times.

  48. rickithebear says:

    hunter1909:
    Katz’s smarter than I thought. First he drives everyone nuts. Then, he sells meds for the insanity he’s created.

    are we in karpmann’s drama triangle

  49. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide: HEY! St. Albert is in that general area!

    The prevailing winds will blow the radiation cloud to Ft. Saskatchewan.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  50. geeker99 says:

    Question I have is since I live in Calgary is does Katz go to any games live. The reason I ask is if he does it is time to put pressure on him to make changes. the best way is attendance but that aint gonna happen in this hockey hotbed. I watch english soccer quite a bit and cheer for liverpool. that fanbase put enough preesure on owners George gillete for not attending games that he ended up selling too someone that gives a shit. How can you watch this product and not want something better. This team has such a losing odor around it that it almost like they accept it. signs at the game TAMBLOWE OUT need to happen. Pressure needs to be put on this club.PRONTO!!!!!!

  51. "Steve Smith" says:

    geeker99,
    If all-caps and exclamation marks could change the world, it would be run by fourteen year olds.

  52. icecastles says:

    “Steve Smith”: If all-caps and exclamation marks could change the world, it would be run by fourteen year olds.

    NOT IF I CAN HELP IT

  53. Hammers says:

    So it’s taken another year (20+ games) to start on management . Trouble is some of us have been saying it for the last 3 years . Also loosing confidence in Ralph . Once Horc is back this team needs to be reassembled ; Gags , Hemsky & Magnus stays , Horc gets Hall & Yak ; RNH Ebs & Hartski . belanger ,jones & brown . Trade if you can Whit ( soorry) Eager & Pettrell .

  54. geeker99 says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    thats great steve thanks

  55. Dee Dee says:

    How can you insinuate that anyone ever plays hurt for the Oilers?

    They shipped out Sheldon Souray for saying that, vicious lies and dressing room cancer blah blah. No way what he said could be true.

    See one of the problems with winning the Toilet Bowl by finishing last every freaking year is the danger of creating a culture of defeat, and, alas, I fear that has already happened.

    Kevin Lowe has ran this ship since 2000 and is well past his expiry date.

    I fear the Owner won’t notice until the paying customers start to flee.

    Why wait until summer to sweep management. Start early and have a new team in place for the draft.

  56. bluenotenorth says:

    Oilers currently have an 8.1% chance of first overall. Tambi has some work to do to improve on that. I think he is up for it.

  57. TheOtherJohn says:

    Can we quit complaining about Tambellini.

    The man 100% in charge of this organization/roster is Kevin Lowe. Every time we snark Tambellini we raise chance that Lowe gets to sidestep the gassing that he so richly deserves. Tambellini does not go to the bathroom without Lowe’s permission.

    Gas the man that presides over what has sadly the worst organization in the NHL since the last lockout.

  58. hunter1909 says:

    The black comedy fan in me smiled when they hired MacT to “add to the team”; knowing that all these management by committee scams do is hide the clowns responsible. Which is precisely how any shit franchise wants it.

  59. Henry says:

    I wonder what Tom Renney was thinking behind the Wings’ bench tonight. Actually I think I got it now. He was thinking about all the time he had to wait in Castlegar last spring.

  60. FastOil says:

    Make or break time. The “rebuild” is over.

    What needs to happen can’t at this time of year easily, except maximizing the draft position in a critically deep draft for this team – centres and D. The rest is usually post season, right?

    Really this comes down to attitude. Willingness to learn. Willingness to change. Willingness to adapt strategy to get the best result. Desire to be the best. Of course Mark Messier, or Milan Lucic on his game are wonderful to have on your team. They just aren’t plentiful or consistent enough to bet on. A clustered roster so full of flotsam, good hockey decisions can’t be made, nothing done over many years to change it.

    It’s time to accept that unless you can trade for the “beast”, put a better player on the team. “Energy” is not as good as, well, good. Energy players don’t boost the better guys unless they are Gretz, Kurri, Mess and Andy. Sorry. They’ve retired.

    “Energy” hurts the team because in the ups and downs of the game, they have no effective “up” that can draw coverage away from the better players to give them more room. A third line that gets hot will do more for the first two lines than anything else.

    “Fighters” as we all know don’t help unless they are the guy who put the puck in the net and can then beat the crap out the guy who cross checked them after the goal.

    MacTambeLowe basically has 6-7 months after the season ends to put the “master plan” in place, or everyone who doesn’t know, will know, they don’t know, what they are doing. At all.

    I think in the distance I can see the three amigos, ambling toward DonCherryville, memories of glory and gladiators long dead clouding out their reality, oblivious to the world now around them, tucking old Donny into his old gaudy bed and giving him a kiss on his beer rosy wrinkly old cheeks.

  61. Joel Pepin says:

    Lowetide, you and your wonderful blog have certainly made following this terrible team less painful for a lot of us over the last several years… hopefully one of these silver linings will cheer you up:
    - Great photo at the top of the page… looks like a fantastic 1st line to me
    - Taylor Hall is an incredible talent, and maybe more importantly, he seems to be getting better at protecting himself
    - It’s a shortenned season, so we only have to deal with ~ half the pain to still get a great new (shiny?) high first round pick
    - We appear to have 3 very good RW’s (and a 4th if you count Gagner)… maybe, just maybe, management can make a tough (yet successful) move to try to balance the roster by improving our C or D
    - From what I heard on the radio, Stauffer was pretty adamant that Horcoff’s absence is a significant reason for the OIler’s failings… if Stauffer is “in the know,” they won’t simply buy out #10
    - I’m hearing rumours that Tambellini is coming to the end of his 2-year extension (I thought it was “multi-year”), so MacT could be taking over sooner than later. I’d prefer to have Mac making decisions instead of simply babysitting Steve (“Take that crayon out of your nose, Steve”).

    Hang in there sir… Hall will get us there

  62. icecastles says:

    TheOtherJohn: The man 100% in charge of this organization/roster is Kevin Lowe

    The team is run differently now than it was when Lowe took over. Are you then suggesting that Lowe had a radical shift in personality and method?

    In his first year as GM, I agree that Lowe seemed to still be running the ship. And as President of Operations, he has a significant responsibility for the state of this team. He too needs to go.

    But this “Lowe still completely runs the team and Tambo is a figurehead” stuff is pure heresay. Until someone can provide some kind of evidence that it is the case, I will continue to blame the GM for GM-related failings, the owner for ownership-related failings, et cetera.

  63. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    The Oilers next moves before next season.

    Get Clowe, sign him.

    Trade Whitney

    Fire Tambellini, Mac-T takes over.

    Trade Hemsky

    Trade Gagner

    Trade Smyth

    Buyout Horcoff

    Waive or trade Petrel

    Trade Paajarvi

    Trade Hartikinanen

    Trade Jones

    Trade or waive Potter

    Create a competitive bottom six.

    Draft a center.

    Trade for Weber.

    Introduce Hall as captain.

    End rant.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles: Until someone can provide some kind of evidence

    Evidence of what? Who’s really running the team? How do you do that? They’re all hiding behind each other like a Waterloo Infantry square, ffs.

    Rob Woodward and Carl Bernstein don’t work at the Edmonton Journal.

  65. geeker99 says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    I like it accept Paajarvi? i think he is just starting to devlope and wouldn”t mind giving Gags a bit more time. Also worry about the return on 80% of those players as of tonight.

  66. icecastles says:

    hunter1909: How do you do that?

    Don’t know: I’m not the one putting it forth as proven fact.

  67. hags9k says:

    Summer 2012, on a patio in the Okanagan, overlooking a vineyard, Daryl, Steve and Kevin do lunch.

    Daryl: So guys how are things looking for this year?

    Steve: Well we are pretty excited and should be able to compete for a playoff spot if the young kids continue to develop quickly and we get some solid goaltending.

    Kevin: I agree, I think we should go ahead and add to the defense and we should be able to compete for the playoffs.

    Daryl: *swirls his wine and looks off to the valley* No. We remain a lottery team one more year. One more for good measure. The rink is nowhere near ready yet anyway. We sell the fans on our intention to improve and compete but we don’t. We do not improve. Not one bit. Are we clear?

    Steve: Yes sir, I’ll get in touch with Petrell’s agent immediately.

    Kevin: That’s a good start Steve but are you sure you’ll be able to just sit idle and dither while another season slides away?

    *simultaneous loud laughter*

  68. "Steve Smith" says:

    icecastles: Don’t know: I’m not the one putting it forth as proven fact.

    It’s a well-established rule of argument that the burden of proof is on the guy questioning the point you’re propounding.

  69. Captain Happy says:

    “Steve Smith”: It’s a well-established rule of argument that the burden of proof is on the guy questioning the point you’re propounding.

    There are no rules on the internet.

    What are you, a lawyer?

  70. Gerta Rauss says:

    I thought they played well in the first period.PRV and Petry played well(again)
    Was really impressed with Detroit’s stickwork…they got a stick on nearly everything in all 3 zones-frustrating as hell as an Oilers fan.

    I’ve tuned out emotionally-I have a hard time getting worked up about the results lately. I’ve seen this movie already and the ending never changes… we’ll bleed out until the end of the season and then head to the draft.

    Great comments tonight in both threads..gallows humor is this group’s forte.

  71. Clay says:

    Lowetide, the shining beacon of calm and rationality for the Oilogosphere since 2006 SCF G7, has had enough. There is no hope for the rest of us.

    Also, there is a banner add at the top of your site that is advertising Sport Chek’s “Train Like the Calgary Flames” contest.

    It’s too much!

  72. Clay says:

    Katz: “Ummm, Kevin? Weren’t we supposed to be doing ok this year? I mean, since I bought this team, we’re 130-177-44. I don’t like losing much.

    Lowe: “Hey bud, didn’t see you down there. Ummm, nah don’t worry. I mean, I’ve got, like, 6 cup rings. All of that glory days stuff from the ’80s? Wouldn’t have happened without me. There isn’t a single person in the world more qualified to build a Stanley Cup winner than I am.”

    Katz: “Ok then. Well, I’ll give you no more than 10 more years to prove you’re right.”

    Lowe: “Ha! By that time we’ll have, like, 8 first overall picks! We’ll have to have a Cup by then!”

  73. DBO says:

    Clay:
    Katz: “Ummm, Kevin?Weren’t we supposed to be doing ok this year?I mean, since I bought this team, we’re 130-177-44.I don’t like losing much.

    Lowe:“Hey bud, didn’t see you down there.Ummm, nah don’t worry.I mean, I’ve got, like, 6 cup rings.All of that glory days stuff from the ’80s?Wouldn’t have happened without me.There isn’t a single person in the world more qualified to build a Stanley Cup winner than I am.”

    Katz: “Ok then.Well, I’ll give you no more than 10 more years to prove you’re right.”

    Lowe:“Ha!By that time we’ll have, like, 8 first overall picks!We’ll have to have a Cup by then!”

    Or be no more then 3 years away from our first because we need the new kids to grow up a bit and Hall and Eberle are getting a bit old, so we may need to get one or two more skill players

  74. Clay says:

    DBO: Or be no more then 3 years away from our first because we need the new kids to grow up a bit and Hall and Eberle are getting a bit old, so we may need to get one or two more skill players

    You’re implying that he could identify team weaknesses.

  75. ScottieA says:

    The NHL needs to remove the weighted draft lottery. At this point I believe Tambo is taking the rest of the season, hence the not making moves to improve.

  76. dessert1111 says:

    I haven’t been very critical of management, and part of me thinks this is the best year to tank because a) short season b) good draft. But holy fuck am I sick of watching this team suck. This team sucks!

    I don’t normally support stuff like this, but maybe we should make a “Fire Lowe and Tambellini” Facebook group or something? If a few thousand people joined they’ve have to notice it…right? And maybe then, when Katz saw so much concentrated public disapproval, he’d need to? Maybe? Fuck.

  77. oilersfan says:

    If Krueger is such a good coach, why does he not line match against the other teams’ best players, and why is there such a lack of structure in their own end?

    There is no team in the western conference that runs a firedrill in their own end on such a regular basis.

  78. crude says:

    Only thing I do now is check in here once in a while to see if anyone is severely injured (player or poster) or if Hall has requested a trade. As far as I am concerned any success this team achieves in the future will be noted with an asterisk:

    *achieved through despicable means.

    I want to cheer for my team again.

  79. spoiler says:

    PDO: I don’t care what the reason is. There’s no excuse to ever be caught in that bad of a mismatch.That simply doesn’t happen to a good coach. Either our coach isn’t good at benchmanaging (bad) or doesn’t care (worse). It’s a story. Would be nice of the MSM to pick up on it.

    oilersfan: If Krueger is such a good coach, why does he not line match against the other teams’ best players, and why is there such a lack of structure in their own end?There is no team in the western conference that runs a firedrill in their own end on such a regular basis.

    The Oilers were on the road. Detroit had the last change.

  80. ScottieA says:

    If this keeps up one day Hall will one day decide that he’s had enough and request a trade.

  81. icecastles says:

    crude: *achieved through despicable means.

    Some despicable means would be a welcome addition. Watching the featurette on Pronger between periods made me sigh heavily. “I wasn’t there to make friends. I was there to win and to help my team win.” Guys like he and Moose weren’t game changers because they played like gentlemen. They were mean, dirty motherf***ers.

    And there is a world of difference between a player who lays hits or gets in meaningless fights because it’s the only thing he’s good at, and a player who will simply destroy you seven different ways if you get between him and winning.

    I can see Hall evolving this into his game – I think one strange side benefit of the continued losing is making 4 bitter enough to play mean. Mean Hall would be one of the greatest things that could happen to this group.

  82. Zelepukin says:

    the reality is 2-3 of the kids will have season ending injuries soon, anyone we want to trade (Hemsky) will have similar injury issues which means we won’t be able to move them and we’ll end up in probably 27th. Tambo probably won’t get fired because he’ll plea injuries ruined the club’s chances to make any kind of improvements and over the summer he’ll hide behind drafting McKinnon and the maturing of the young guns.

  83. spoiler says:

    Look people, we knew before this season started that this team would suck on the road.

    They played a pretty solid game tonight. Doobie let in one stinker that caught him going up to his feet, it happens. So allowing one real goal against a Detroit in their own barn is a pretty damn good result for a bunch of kids and misfits on the long road to success.

    Yes, they’re a ways away, but there’s little point in doing anything too aggressive about it while they are. Asking after other team’s players while you are languishing in the lower latrine of the league is just going to get you bent over in a trade. At the deadline, you get some hand back in the negotiating, we will see what happens then.

  84. geeker99 says:

    Hey, anyone remember the first round play-off war between Philly and Pittsburgh last year? remove one of those teams and insert the 2013 Oilers. sends shivers down your spine doesn’t it?

  85. ScottieA says:

    spoiler,

    Solid game? Are you talking from the Wings perspective?…

  86. Clay says:

    icecastles: Some despicable means would be a welcome addition. Watching the featurette on Pronger between periods made me sigh heavily. “I wasn’t there to make friends. I was there to win and to help my team win.” Guys like he and Moose weren’t game changers because they played like gentlemen. They were mean, dirty motherf***ers.

    And there is a world of difference between a player who lays hits or gets in meaningless fights because it’s the only thing he’s good at, and a player who will simply destroy you seven different ways if you get between him and winning.

    I can see Hall evolving this into his game – I think one strange side benefit of the continued losing is making 4 bitter enough to play mean. Mean Hall would be one of the greatest things that could happen to this group.

    Amen.

  87. Ribs says:

    Just to play the bookie role for one post….

    Hall’s hurt. Get him healthy.

    He sat a game, he’s good.

    Yakupov should play RW.

    And replace who? He’s not there yet.

    Your bottom 6 forwards are trash. Former members of the Oakland Seals are catching deja vu

    What’ you say bout’ Ryan Smyth?

    You are allowed to improve your team during the season.

    Brown>Hordichuk…Duh….

    Breakouts often involve planning.

    Dump and chase!

    Dump and chase is dumb and dumber when your skilled players are on the ice.

    Umm….Hemsky linemate = offside!

    Not picking up Hamrlik was stupid.

    He can almost skate as well as Whitney! (Poor guy)

    Your center depth is so bad the league should step in.

    I hear everyone and their grandma has an opportunity to grab the #1 pick this year!

    Mike Babcock tooled our guy tonight. Maybe roll some tape with the coach.

    You win this round, Renney. *shakes fists*

    I think it would be a fine idea to post a sticky that says “avoid being on the lottery show” on Steve Tambellini’s desk.

    I’ll send Howson!

    Thanks.

    You’re a good man….

  88. Ribs says:

    …And if anyone’s interested the Fussy Britches latest offerings….

    Little interest in Whitney mostly from #Blues APG

    Kings had offered Bernier for Khabibulin and MPS. APG

    Senators interested in Hemsky have offered Bishop APG

    Oilers trying to move both Jones and Petrell APG

    Oilers have scouted Jason Chimera from Caps and are interested …. As per Garfield

    Wade Arnott had discussions with Tambellini about Jason coming back but Tambellini could not close the deal as per Garfield

    Leafs had offered Steckel for Peckham

  89. Ribs says:

    The only intriguing thing in there is Bernier for Khabby and Magnus. I’m a Dubnyk supporter so I wouldn’t be for the trade but it definitely has it’s merits. MPS is still a bit of a mystery but I’m okay with betting on him at this point.

  90. TheOtherJohn says:

    No clue how anyone reasonably believes S Tambellini is running the Oiler hockey team. None.

    If not, WTF does K Lowe do? He has had nothing to do with selling the new arena. Laforge is in charge of business operations.

    When gassing Tambellini for incompetence why would you leave the man in charge of hockey operations in place to continue to taint team with incompetence

  91. "Steve Smith" says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    When gassing Tambellini for incompetence why would you leave the man in charge of hockey operations in place to continue to taint team with incompetence

    By my count, zero people have advocated firing Tambellini but keeping Lowe. But I may be off by 10-15%.

  92. icecastles says:

    TheOtherJohn: If not, WTF does K Lowe do?

    So now your argument is that Tambellini’s not actually in charge because otherwise, you don’t know what Kevin Lowe’s job is? Why then would we not just as validly contend that Tambo HAS to be in charge, because otherwise what does *he* do? The appeal to ignorance rarely makes a strong case. But this may be the first time I’ve seen someone defend a point by appealing to their *own* ignorance. (By “ignorance” I simply mean the state of not knowing: I’m not calling you ignorant. You often have great stuff to say.)

    Like “Steve Smith” wrote above, I have yet to see anyone saying to keep Lowe and fire Tambellini. You’re refuting arguments that nobody is making and ignoring the actual challenges to your point.

  93. TheOtherJohn says:

    I know what Lowe’s job is not: the arena or the business operations of the business. Lowe was removed from the arena “file” very early when it became clear he had little to contribute. Nor ihas he been involved on the business decisions of the club. I do not like LaForge at all but he’s quite good at what he does

    That leaves hockey operations. I do not believe Lowe is an absentee manager. He is involved in scouting (pro & amateur), the draft, the FA frenzy and jut about all decisions related to the team. I
    have seen nothing that leads me to believe Tambellini is in charge. I believe the person in charge of this fiasco is Lowe. Every Oil Change infomercial reinforces my belief . In spades. In their interaction the alpha is clearly Lowe. The Hemsky signing was handled by Lowe. Do not believe Tambellini signed the Hall/Eberle contracts …… The signings were significantly too decisive: not a trait generally thought of when one thinks of ST. Additionally the Oiler habit of overpaying on almost all contracts: a clear Lowe habit, has continued unabated over the last 5 years with a new GM: Khabbi, Belanger, Eager, Jones, Smytty (term), Sutton, Hordichuk. Maybe not large overpays……. but a lack of careful consideration of the consequences of overpaying. It’s why we were spending to the cap with truly atrocious teams, a la the Horcoff and Souray contracts.

    I believe there is lsignificntn evidence that the head of the hockey team has never changed

    I also believe as the tar & feathers are heated up by the fanbase….. pointing the finger at Tambellini and his decision ignores the puppet matter who was gotten us to exactly where we are today.

  94. Captain Obvious says:

    Dan Tencer ‏@dantencer

    Oilers need energy. Tomorrow I’d play Eager, Petrell and Brown as a line. Don’t care who centers it. Scratches would be Smyth, VandeVelde.

    Dan Tencer ‏@dantencer

    At least a line like that *should* give you something consistent to go back to. Gotta start somewhere and hopefully top guys can build on it

    Dan Tencer ‏@dantencer

    Although, caller makes a good point. Brown fight tonight did zero to charge team. No energy to be found…anywhere. Can’t believe it.

    We are through the looking glass.

  95. Magnus says:

    Put me down on the official list of people wanting all of management removed. I was never a fan of Tambellini from the get-go. However after the plan became to tank and build through the draft, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and even supported some of his moves. However, enough is enough.
    It’s unconscionable that management has seen the team spiral after losing center depth and has done absolutely nothing to address it. Asset management is apparently a concept unfamiliar to this management team. We’re bringing up guys from the minors that are stop-gaps at the best of times and yet we have a forward sitting in Europe who led the Swiss league in scoring that we’re doing absolutely nothing with. Am I to believe that you can’t even get a 4th rounder in exchange for Omark? Hey, at least that would give Tambo the chance to trade for another no-talent, injury prone checker. We have 2 defencemen in the minors with more NHL experience than Cory Potter and Theo Peckham combined, but they won’t sign one and bring him up because god forbid we might lose the guy that was too fat to make the team on waivers.
    Truth is, right now we could probably waive all of Belanger, VandeVelde, Brown, Petrell, and Eager and still end up with a better 4th line made from other teams’ waiver cast-offs. Our pro scouts haven’t been able to find a good player seemingly since 2006.
    Brown, Fistric, Potter, Jeff Schultz, Sutton, Eager, Belanger, Barker, Hordichuk, Jones, Khabibulin, Strudwick, Foster, Comrie, Teubert, Vandermeer, O’Sullivan, Boulerice, MacIntyre, Penner, Fraser, Johnson, Whitney, Cole, Kotalik, Stone, Brule, Pitkanen, Visnovsky, Potulny, Glenncross, Nilsson, O’Marra, Grebeshkov, Lupul, Smid… What a truly putrid list of player acquirement. In 7 years, how many transactions have been clear wins for the Oilers? I’d put Sutton, Jones, Glencross, Grebeshkov and maybe Fistric on that list. Everyone else was either a clear loss, lateral move, had negligible impact or was a disappointment. Why haven’t our pro scouts been taken out back and shot yet? Where’s the accountability?

    I’m the last person to see the team make a rash move, and I certainly don’t think Brian Burke is someone I’d want managing my team, but the failure to act is abysmal. Finally, while I like Ralph Kreuger and really want him to succeed, its hard to not to look at Lindy Ruff as an improvement. And if we’re going to start fresh, might as well clear everyone out.

  96. Scotty LaDouche says:

    I think the braintrust just needs to hire back Howson as a Success Consultant. Obviously.

  97. BONVIE says:

    Ribs,

    Our goaltending is not the problem even after a bad night!!!!

  98. Roughneck says:

    Puppets come and go but the marionette remains.

    Welcome to Calgary north.

    Competence is arbitrary, arrogance is mandatory, we thank you for you offering and your hope is in the mail.

    grrrrrrr!!!!

  99. S. Crowe says:

    This.

    Organization.

    F*cking.

    Sucks.

    That is all.

  100. BrazilianOil says:

    Just one week ago we’re talking about the kid line outplayed Dallas, waiting for a breakout game.

    What happen ??? ( yes, 4 L games ) but what happen about the good performance? Horcoff didn’t play against Dallas, the team is the same.

  101. Smarmy says:

    Time for Hall and RNH to go on the IR so Lowe and Tambi have their built in injuries excuse.

  102. Ducey says:

    I guess I am the only one that has not lost my patience.

    I didn’t figure this was a playoff team. I figured 20th. They may make that.

    Playoffs were obviously a reach for a team that went 30,30, 29 the last three years.

    I share the concerns that Tambo is unable to make any shrewd moves to pick up key players on the cheap. I would have liked for them to pick up that C Calgary waived about 4 weeks ago. But why did people think a team that finished 29th last year would move to 16th with the addition of two rookies?

    Has anyone done any kind of analysis of the system they are playing? Its usually kind of hard to tell on TV. They seem to be playing some kind of pressure zone type thing. Perhaps they have gone all Switzerland on us with similar results (close game, but losses).

    Maybe its time to give up on the ’80′s and say: “you know, everyone else plays the trap, maybe we should too.”

  103. BrazilianOil says:

    Ducey,

    TOR and MTL were lottery pick last draft too…

  104. DBO says:

    OK, a quick sleep and some coffee and I have new perspective on the Oil. This is purgatory and we are being punished for all the winning this team did in the 80′s so as to balance it al out. We had Sather expertly running the Org, now we have MacTambLowe. Punishment I tell ya.

    We need more skilled guys with try, not try guys with no skill.

    In the offseason we need more vets with some jump, not just jump on some players cause they are vets

    We need to balance out the roster and fix our glaring holes, not create glaring holes in our roster and pray for a miracle

  105. Kitchener says:

    hags9k: Yes. Bingo.

    Ducey: I hope you’re wrong about reliving the 80s, but I’ve thought this too.

    In sum, I think the goal for this season was a 20-25th place finish. We’re on track. If next season begins and they’re still icing the 2011-13 collection of spare parts, THEN I’ll shake my head.

    I reluctantly also agree that if there’s a trade that sends Hemsky off for an answer at D or C, they should take it. Hemsky would be missed, but we have options at wing.

  106. maudite says:

    Hammers:
    So it’s taken another year (20+ games) to start on management . Trouble is some of us have been saying it for the last 3 years . Also loosing confidence in Ralph . Once Horc isback this team needs to be reassembled ;Gags , Hemsky & Magnus stays , Horc gets Hall & Yak ; RNH Ebs & Hartski . belanger ,jones & brown . Trade if you can Whit ( soorry) Eager & Pettrell .

    Only 3 years? You are being kind. Last tickets I had Jan 07. Edmonton vs Columbus. Didn’t go. Realized that is a game they had to win and should be expected to. But stood a good chance of losing and being such a complete waste of time. The team has been broken a very long time.

    The only plus side: Lowe used to get some useful players in smaller trades and then not bother resigning them focusing attention on whale hunting and he did not understand the cap at all.

    Since ST has been the figurehead on the ship we sunk a level on the trades. We also scorch earth players off the team and end up with nothing for them. Roster/asset management is so bad. Even the contracts this off season were ugly.

    Smyth a year too long
    Gagner 2 years too short
    Eberle 4 years too long or signed too soon

    Hall was a gimme but the Petry contract was the only really good one (ok with Dubnyks)

    Start the season again with an imbalanced roster, butted right up to the contract limit…yet have very little depth.

    I don’t see what all the new venom is about though. We have 14 mil in cap space. This wasn’t a team intending to compete, this was a team hoping to compete. If, if and if style.

    Our development system is still busted as all hell. Just because you stack ringers on your AHL team and ice a top team, doesn’t mean you are developing well…Never really got how people bought into that story line.

    Never mind….where do you start really? Just so many bad moves. You get rolling through them in your head and you just shake your head. What other business would you have the manager that ran your business into the ground be responsible for rebuilding it? It makes zero sense. None.

  107. crude says:

    icecastles: Some despicable means would be a welcome addition. Watching the featurette on Pronger between periods made me sigh heavily. “I wasn’t there to make friends. I was there to win and to help my team win.” Guys like he and Moose weren’t game changers because they played like gentlemen. They were mean, dirty motherf***ers.

    And there is a world of difference between a player who lays hits or gets in meaningless fights because it’s the only thing he’s good at, and a player who will simply destroy you seven different ways if you get between him and winning.

    I can see Hall evolving this into his game – I think one strange side benefit of the continued losing is making 4 bitter enough to play mean. Mean Hall would be one of the greatest things that could happen to this group.

    On ice despicable means are just fine, and I agree that Hall is being tempered in the Hell fires. Its the managerial despicableness I have issue with.

  108. gcw_rocks says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    MacT has had a say in everything Tambo has done and not done this season. it is delusional to think a change to MacT would result in materially better performance based on the evidence to date.

  109. gcw_rocks says:

    Captain Obvious,

    Clearly that glass is full of moonshine

  110. Wolfpack says:

    For the most part I have supported management and the rebuild strategy. But I just can’t do it anymore. There have been far too many opportunities to improve this team with ANPs (LT’s “Actual NHL players”). It is time for the entire front office to go.

    The Oilers have been a model of futility for too long. This trade deadline and offseason needs some major moves made. This management group has been way too attached to players they draft and those they sign as UFAs. They are wasting the prime (affordable) years of their young stars by not icing a complete roster. I have cheered especially hard for Hemsky, Gagner, Dubnyk, Eberle – but I have come to the conclusion that every name except for Hall and J. Schultz needs to be on the table in an effort to make this team better.

    I really miss playoff hockey.

  111. gcw_rocks says:

    Turf Lowe, MacT and Tambo to start. Bring in Paul Fenton or Joe Will. Give the new GM the option to flush Krueger and bring in Jon Cooper, or Vinneault if he gets turfed from Vancouver this year.

  112. Wolfpack says:

    Listening to the pre-game on the radio last night was especially frustrating. When asked about how he prepared his team to play the Oilers you could almost see the smirk on Babcock’s face. His response was “The same way we prepare for every team, but their special teams are pretty good”. I somehow knew right there that the Oilers would not get a single powerplay opportunity on the night.

    And RK went on and on about how they needed to conserve their energy or some such nonsense. Like losing 3-0 one night and then losing 2-1 the next night is somehow better then going balls out every game and maybe squeaking out a win in game #1.

  113. CrazyCoach says:

    I saw bits and parts of the game last night, in between drafting notes for an important meeting that Iam in right now. I can only take so much of polictical meetings which are a major component of my job, so just some observations.

    For those of you who remember the WHA days of the Alberta, Oilers, you never really thoght much of the team in those days, except that you hoped they would win the odd game and push for a playoff spot. At least that’s what I remember as a kid growing up in Edmonton listening to games on my radio at the Casa Loma trailer court on 97 st and 153rd ave (yes Igrew up trailer trash). As luck would have it, we moved to BC when I was 9 years old, just a month before this skinny kid who wore #99 came to town and forever changed hockey. If Yankee Stadium is the House that Ruth built, then Edmonton is the city that #99 put on the pro sports map. Fortunatly for me the Oilers made the move to the NHL and Icould now see them on TV, which was good as my little radio could not drag in Oilers games due to those pesky Rocky mountains getting in the way. Oh those were the best of times. You watched absolutely knowing they were going to entertain you, probably win a game or two, and it was inevitable that one day they would win the Stanley Cup. Yeah, you took some ribbing after the 82 and 83 playoffs, but you just knew.

    Nowadays I have access to watch any Oilers game I want due to wonderful technology. I have access to stats galore, reams of information, and of course this blog. However, I just no longer feel any excitement for this team. I have resigned myself to the fact that the Oilers fit into the category of a lower level team. I know the actions of management and the play on the ice certainly looks lower level to me. I feel ripped off by this team as a fan, and as a longtime coach, I feel disgusted at RK’s teaching methods (the players seems to be making the same dumb plays they did under the last two coaches), his lack of a system (modified 2-1-2? ineffective 2-3?, box plus one in the Dzone?), and his bench management (why reward boneheaded plays with more ice time in hopes that they’ll play their way out of a slump or a bad habit?).

    There’s many calls in here to cleanse this team of its management. I tend to agree. The Pittsburgh Steelers didn’t win their recent Super Bowls trying to emulate the glory days of the Iron Curtain. They did it by putting the best people in place right from the team president right down to the guy entering stats on the website. Perhaps Katz needs to understand one hard truth: He is never going to re-create the Boys on the Bus!

    Please Mr. Katz. Do something now!

  114. delooper says:

    Well, Edmonton is starting to understand how the Quebec Nordiques felt.

  115. RMGS says:

    CrazyCoach: Perhaps Katz needs to understand one hard truth: He is never going to re-create the Boys on the Bus!

    Great post. The line quoted here may sum it all up – not only for Katz but also for the Good Ol’ Boys management group, for the “hall of fame” (lol) and other msm, and perhaps even for a certain segment of the fan base.

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