THREE SCORING LINES

This is where I came in. By the time I collected hockey cards and knew all the names, the top line in hockey was Esposito-Cashman-Hodge. It was a huge line for its time, with Esposito impossible to move and possessing the hands of a surgeon and the heart of a lion; Cashman the worker and passer, a throwback Ryan Smyth and the best corner man this side of Angelo Dundee; and Hodge: big, skilled and an enigma before and after his time on one of hockey’s most famous lines.

TRIPLE H LINE

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Ralph Krueger put this line together on the road trip and they appear to have some major league chemistry. The best of the old and the best of the new are a chance machine and can create against good and bad opposition. Last night’s first period goal saw all three take part in the scoring, I think they’ll be key to the stretch run.

THE NUGE LINE

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It’s terrific to see Nuge and Eberle work together and Hartikainen is a bull driving toward the net. I don’t know if this line will make it–the coach really wanted them to score based on situation last night and they didn’t–but this line has some real promise.

THE GAGS LINE

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This is the second line based on opps (to my eye), Gagner is such a wizard with the puck and Yakupov is an amazing passer already. Paajarvi seems to have been told to drive to the net and good lord is he doing it. For many reasons, this line has the best chance to hang together over a long period.

TEAMS WITH 3 SCORING LINES ARE RARE

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Trust me on this one. My Bruins from 70-71 were among the greatest offensive teams in history, and they had two scoring lines and one checking line.  However, because the 2line housed a large portion of the 1PP, and because the 3line was such an outstanding PK line, they became one of the few teams in history with three scoring lines.

1970-71 Bruins top 3 lines

  1. Esposito-Cashman-Hodge: 140 goals, 33 PP, 1 PK
  2. Stanfield-Bucyk-McKenzie: 106 goals, 41 PP, 0 PK
  3. Sanderson-Carleton-Westfall: 76 goals, 1 PP, 13 PK

1984-85 Edmonton Oilers

  1. Gretzky-Krushelnyski-Kurri: 188 goals, 34 PP, 14 PK
  2. Messier-Lindstrom-Anderson: 77 goals, 17 PP, 6 PK
  3. McClelland-Hunter-Hughes: 37 goals, 2 PP, 2 PK

I picked the early years to look at, but from my memory the golden era of the Oilers featured  Gretzky-Kurri, Messier-Anderson and a third line that could never be mistaken for a scoring line. If the team did have a checking line player who could jump up to the skill line, he might for a time or two (Oilers led the league in LWers for Gretzky-Kurri most years: Pouzar, Semenko, Krushelnsyki, Summanen all would have played during this season) but I don’t recall an outstanding offensive 9 during the 99 years, and 1990 also had the two big scoring lines and then the Kid Line got hot late.

Do you agree? Disagree? Teams with three scoring lines are like unicorns, topless girls and rich uncles who leave everything to you: VERY rare.

lt-bg.jpgLowetide at High Noon is on Team 1260 today (noon to 2pm Edmonton time) featuring:

  • Rob Vollman from ESPN and Hockey Prospectus. We’ll talk about his brilliant player usage charts and specifically look at the Oilers. Their big blue bubbles (good) are in the “two way sector” and are youngsters, and their big red bubbles (bad) are in the less sheltered sector and are older, more mature players.

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  • vollman 20132Scott Taylor from Winnipeg. Scott is a legendary writer and personality and always good for insight and a hearty laugh. We’ll discuss our national obsession: knocking the Leafs out of the playoffs. Also, some Jets talk (they are a strange team) and I’ll ask some deadline questions.
  • Michael Parkatti from Boys On the Bus is doing outstanding work and we’ll talk about some of the innovative ideas and findings he is bringing to the Oilogosphere.
  • David Staples from Cult of Hockey. We’ll talk about the Oilers and their playoff chances, look at the trade deadline and I’ll ask about Ryan Whitney’s recent improvement.
  • Jason Strudwick from Team 1260 will give us insight into the Oilers and this stretch run. I’ll ask about Horcoff’s future, Krueger’s 3rd period decisions and what the Oilers have to do in order to close the deal on games like last night.
  • Kent Simpson from the Team 1260 Oil Kings pbp team. The OK won their 50th game last night, that’s two seasons in a row. I’ll ask Kent about the differences between the two teams and we’ll talk Lazar, Moroz, Gernat and others.

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  1. 106 and 106 says:

    Why are people saying we have a 13% chance of making the playoffs. We’re two wins out. I know that means all the other teams have to lose two games and we have to win, but it’s not really THAT bad… is it?

  2. Hayek says:

    There is optimism, and there is realism.

  3. Lowetide says:

    It isn’t the number of points, it’s the number of teams between Edmonton and clear 8th. Odds are someone will emerge, odds do not favor Edmonton being that team.

  4. Captain Happy says:

    Actually, as of this morning, the Oilers have a 10.8% chance of making the playoffs.

    And you have identified the problem.

    There are currently 5 teams between the Oilers and the last playoff spot and many of them have a game in hand on the Oilers.

    The problem is compounded by the fact that those teams will often be playing each other and likely more than a few of those games will be three pointers.

    For example, tonight while the Oilers are sitting idle….

    Minnesota@ Colorado

    Phoenix@Columbus

    Anaheim @ St. Louis

    Chicago@Dallas

    Detroit @ Vancouver

    San Jose @Los Angeles

    Someone is going to win those games and a few will go into OT meaning even the losers get a point.

    As it sits right now, it will likely take about 56 points to make the playoffs meaning the Oilers would have to go 14-5-2 to get in.

  5. BlacqueJacque says:

    106 and 106,

    Cutoff is expected to be 55 points.

    Do the math. :)

  6. denny33 says:

    I find Taylor Hall – and so did the red wings crew – to be our best forward night in and night out. Not even talking talent level. His INTENSITY to want to gain possession of the puck far exceeds most of our forwards on this team.

    Red wing crew said lots of scouts in town to watch the oilers.

    Ryan Whitney Continues to be EATEN ALIVE by 4th line players in this league. If ST does get anything back for him – he will be a very lucky man.

    Jeff Petry – this has nothing to do with Jeff scoring a goal on his own net or getting lit up by Datsyk like a Cristmas tree for the OT win.

    Letting a defence man ( Kindl ) come down the ice at three quarter speed and walk right through is ridiculous.

    And as we have talked about all season he and Smid continue to turn easy plays back in there own end into self-created disasters. Not sure whose fault it is….

    Finally, even the red wing crew were salivating at the prospect of Smid becoming a UFA this summer.

  7. VanOil says:

    Michael Parkatti’s review of last nights game was great even by his high standards, it should be required reading for RK win or lose.

    The start of this article had me thinking of the first hockey lines I remember. But, I got side tracked, because for me it was all about one player, Guy Lafleur. The sight of him coming down the wing at full flow and releasing a shot from the off foot, a shot Messier would latter perfect, would have me cheering before he even crossed the blue line.

    Funny enough that shot, see Paajarvi, is now considered a poor play. Even whimpy in some quarters. This I am sure is due to modern goal keeping equipment. Goalies may have gotten bigger, but IMHO they have not got better. I would love to see there chest protectors taken down to the size of say a military issue bullet proof vest with a tight fitting jersey on top. As for there other pads well that even easier to pair down and still provide protection.

    Looking forward to the radio show. Especially the update on the Oil Kings, some how I feel they would not have found a way to lose last nights game if they were in a similar situation. Its not always ‘youth’ to blame for blowing a game. Mr. Hall and Mr.Eberle figured it out in a very impressive manor on teams they played for when they were even younger than they are know.

  8. Lowetide says:

    I can’t believe what I just found! A 1976 live in studio version by Warren Zevon of Desperados under the Eaves. Wonderful.

  9. justDOit says:

    Lowetide,

    This is how you prepare for a show? Browsing youtube?

    Cool.

  10. VanOil says:

    “as the mystics and the statistics say it will”

    I predict this will become a LT blog headline, my crystal ball told me.

    Great track.

  11. cabbiesmacker says:

    Thanks very much for throwing Esposito, Hodge, and Stanfield and possibly THE worst trade in NHL history at an old Blackhawks fan. Maybe the Oilers can find a GM as stupid as whomever was running the show in Chicago at the time to trade them the players they need to turn their Stanley’s into reality.

    Last night was the first game I’ve been to since I gave up my seasons a few years back and a few things really stood out for me

    a) Rexall or whatever it’;s called these days is a dump – embarassing really

    b) Oiler fans sit on their hands a lot more than they used to

    c) Oiler’s got schooled – all those complaining about what happened in the third weren’t watching the second very carefully. You could feel momentum swinging the Wings way from with about 6 minutes to go in #2.

    d) what the hell happen to Smyth over the course of 9 months?

    Wings have a better system. Wings have better players and more depth. Still capable vets took advantage of incapable vets and kids and you knew it was just a matter of time. The Wings just persevere until the door opens a crack then BOOM. Very opportunistic bunch

    Damn shame Lowe and co. chose to ignore the importance of surrounding good kids with capable surrounding troops. 20 games to go and 3 years have elapsed on Hall and Eberle’s contracts and Bob Hopkins is 2/3 through his. I find myself thinking “what was the point?” and “such a waste.”

    Three number one ov’s and the team is pretty much about as good as it was last year. It didn’t have to be this way.

  12. 106 and 106 says:

    And yet we still believe in miracles – 14-5-2 is a mighty big hammer to wield – hopefully, it’s down to the wire. Thanks for the info, squad.

  13. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=418338

    Carolina picked up Hall off waivers

  14. justDOit says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    A very ‘hockey savvy’ friend of mine, who is a bruins fan but likes to watch the progression of the young Oilers, couldn’t believe how quiet Rexall was with the team leading into the third period.

    He also mentioned how much better Ebs and RNH look lately, and is wishing that his beloved Bruins would have made a move for Brown.

    So 14-5-2 eh? Well, after last night, it’s only 14-5-1! Woo-whoo!

  15. VanOil says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=418338

    Carolina picked up Hall off waivers

    So given that they are higher up the standings than us, we passed. Great news more Smyty at center, who says old broken dogs can’t learn new tricks.

  16. denny33 says:

    VanOil,

    Thanks for that tip…that was a great article.

    Makes me wonder about RK…..also noted Ryan Whitney on the ice with Datsuyk a few times.

  17. Radman says:

    Nicely done LT. The corner of cool and I don’t get it is squarely in the middle of Warren Zevonville

  18. rickithebear says:

    Games behind.
    it is like baseball!
    Games over .500%

    San jose has played 26 games 30 points
    we have played 27 and have 26
    when you win you get 2 points but add a game to the column so one gane 1 PT.
    We need to win 5 games to be 4 points over .500
    we are 5 wins behind!
    This is were everyone gets the false sense of chance.

    they see the 4 point and say hey we are two wins out.

  19. jfry says:

    “They just started (discussions) yesterday,” said the 27-year-old defenceman, who’s in his seventh season with the Oilers. “They had a talk with my agent, but nothing.”

    He’d like to remain an Oiler, but knows that being an unrestricted free agent isn’t something you discard without even examining.

    “It’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be an unrestricted free agent,” he said, adding he’s looking for a four- or five-year deal. “I’ve worked hard for it. I would like to be here, when you see the talent and the future of this team, it’s very bright. I’d like to be here but it’s a business. A business for them and a business for me, as well. I would prefer to stay here. We’ll see what’s going to happen.”

  20. Lowetide says:

    We seem to be down can you post?0

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    We seem to be down can you post?0

    let’s see…

  22. jake70 says:

    ..2,3…test 1,2 ….

  23. Lois Lowe says:

    Dellow has a good post up that everyone should read, it’s kind of a response to Parkatti’s game summary.

  24. Gerta Rauss says:

    I was getting an internal server error for about 5 minutes-couldn’t get to the homepage. Seems fine now.

    VanOil,

    Yeah, I looked at the standings as well. I’m guessing that the 50 contract limit factored into the decision not to pick him up..??

  25. Ribs says:

    Tencer tweets….

    Krueger talking lots about special teams. He had scoring chances 19-11 EDM at even strength and 9-1 DET on special teams.

    Just to see the difference with Dennis’ numbers that LT posted last night…..

    Final chances: 18-11; 1-3 ST

  26. Bos8 says:

    To me, trying to be objective – What killed the Oilers were the three penalties in succession. Everyone started tippy toeing, worried about taking the next one and losing the game in regulation. The killer was the Horcoff penalty and then it snowballed from there. The Oilers’ psyche is in a very vulnerable place.

  27. DBO says:

    So We let Hall pass us bye on waivers. Once again we fail to cheaply and easily upgrade our team and add what we lack (size and grit, while losing nothing). Especially with Smyth practising with Nuge and eberle, meaning Petrell or Jones will end up centering the 4th since Belanger is not ready. Easy fixes man, easy fixes and upgrades. Our management is delusional on what we have and blind to simple things that make us better.

    - Upgrade Belanger = Hall
    - Upgrade Potter – Hamrlik (and while we are at it, go offer Detroit a 6th rd pick for Ian White, a RH two way dman who is a clear upgrade on Potter. Send em a low prospect as well to clear a contract off our 50)

    two simple moves give us a better chance at the playoffs, yet we do nothing. Sadness.

    Hello Guiness!!!!

  28. justDOit says:

    DBO,

    I have strong doubts that a 5’10″ defender that Babcock can’t get any mileage out of will be of any benefit to the Oilers. I don’t know White that well as a player though, other than watching Ebs use him as a pylon a time or two before he was done in Calgary.

    I agree on A Hall though. Passing on that opportunity smacks of some underlying dysfunction.

  29. godot10 says:

    The 50 contract limit is a real bound on going willy nilly picking up players on waivers. Which is why one has to be careful who you sign to contracts in the summer time.

    Suppose you pick up Adam Hall, and are at 50. And the next day both Dubnyk and Khabibulin get injured. You then have no ability to make a trade for a goaltender without somebody ripping you off.

    At 50 contracts, you give up the potential to sign one of the elite college free agents in the next couple of weeks.

    There are definite risks in going to 50 contracts. The mistake was made with contracts doled out last summer (Hordichuk) and the summer before (Eager).

    The Oilers have had a lot of draft picks in the last few years, which use up a lot of contracts.

  30. gogliano says:

    Accidently dropped this in the last thread:

    Chances are closer to 20% right now by the 50/50 method. Weighting has its advantages but the sample is still on the small side. The preferable method is up for debate, though, and we are getting closer to a large enough sample for the weighting method (I prefer the 40 game mark).

    But 56 points is the guarantee mark for a playoff spot. Using the weighting method, SPS has these odds at the point marks:
    56 – 99.6%;
    55 – 97.0%;
    54 – 87.1%;
    53 – 64.3%;
    52 – 34.6%;
    51 – ~12%.

    Blowing a 2 goal lead in the third against a competitor for the 8th seed isn’t doing this team any favors but this team is capable of staying in the race for a while yet.

  31. Ducey says:

    DBO:
    So We let Hall pass us bye on waivers. Once again we fail to cheaply and easily upgrade our team and add what we lack (size and grit, while losing nothing). Especially with Smyth practising with Nuge and eberle, meaning Petrell or Jones will end up centering the 4th since Belanger is not ready. Easy fixes man, easy fixes and upgrades. Our management is delusional on what we have and blind to simple things that make us better.

    - Upgrade Belanger = Hall
    - Upgrade Potter – Hamrlik (and while we are at it, go offer Detroit a 6th rd pick for Ian White, a RH two way dman who is a clear upgrade on Potter. Send em a low prospect as well to clear a contract off our 50)

    two simple moves give us a better chance at the playoffs, yet we do nothing. Sadness.

    Hello Guiness!!!!

    I don’t see Hall as any kind of upgrade on Belanger. Hall has 28 hits to Belanger’s 13. In 20 games thats hardly a big deal. Belanger has 29 shots, Hall has about 13. Both play the PK and have good FO%. There is no significant difference between them.

    I know picking on the GM is fashionable and all, but using your last contract for 5 games of A Hall is a poor move.

  32. bookje says:

    Carolina picked up Hall off waivers

    I know it’s a different Hall, but I still find reading that very unpleasant – like seeing an obituary for someone with the same name as yours.

  33. DBO says:

    Ducey,

    Not picking on the GM. Belanger is 3 times as expensive, and is much smaller. Hall can also play RW, and basically is an upgrade on both Belanger and Petrell, allowing them to use Smyth at LW, and have a 4th line of Jones/Harti, Hall and Brown. An upgrade on Smyth with Petrell and Brown. Hall is more versatile, is better at faceoffs and PK, is much bigger (6’2, 212 lbs vs 5’11, 185 lbs) and younger (32 vs 35). those are all clear upgrades, and he would also possibly fit next year as a depth guy to play with Lander at 4 C if they can unload Belanger.

    AS for the contracts thing, yes that is a problem. But that is where pro active GM’s make moves and deal deep prospects for futures/late picks. At a certain point we have to play for today and not for 3 years from now. Letting some older or failed prospects go in order to give us a shot at playoffs this year is a smart move. Every year there are young former high end prospects on the waiver wire, let alone available for a late pick.

    Tambo’s issue is he is Mr. Dithers. He is so afraid to make a mistake that he doesn’t move when he needs to. I don’t want a knee jerk reaction, but waiting on “hope” for players like Whitney is harming us big time. He could have dealt a few lesser prospects for picks or for futures in order to free up contract space and help us now. That is not mortgaging the future, that is being a smart pro active GM.

  34. Jesse says:

    Ralph mentioned a couple of things today in his presser that suggested a bit of a closer understanding of #fancystats. He talks about variance a bit, albeit in different words — something along the lines of the math from the Chicago game catching up with them in last nights game. He also mentions how they track individual scoring chances, and that hall had 7 last night.

    Kinda cool.

  35. Captain Obvious says:

    Shameful display in the Bruins–Capitals game. Thornton and Mcquaid chase Hendricks around the ice trying to get him to fight, Hendricks finally fights McQuaid. The Bruins are the dirtiest team in the league and they shouldn’t be allowed to use these tactics. It is asinine that fighting is allowed in the league. Why is it ok to hit someone in the face with your fists but not your stick? I think neither should be allowed but if one is ok then so should the other. I would have loved to see Hendricks take his stick and give Thornton a twohander to the face. There is no place in this league for guys like Thornton.

    The culture of the NHL is all messed up. The pro-goon crowds say you need fighting to keep guys honest but the teams that fight the most are also the dirtiest with their sticks and elbows. Fighting doesn’t make the cheapshots go away it increases them by providing a mechanism for dealing with them within the scope of ordinary behaviour

    They way to get rid of cheapshots is to ban fighting and to be very liberal with suspensions. If the league dropped the hammer on cheapshots, with heavy, heavy, suspensions the game would be much better.

  36. Ducey says:

    DBO:
    Ducey,

    Not picking on the GM. Belanger is 3 times as expensive, and is much smaller. Hall can also play RW, and basically is an upgrade on both Belanger and Petrell, allowing them to use Smyth at LW, and have a 4th line of Jones/Harti, Hall and Brown. An upgrade on Smyth with Petrell and Brown. Hall is more versatile, is better at faceoffs and PK, is much bigger (6’2, 212 lbs vs 5’11, 185 lbs) and younger (32 vs 35). those are all clear upgrades, and he would also possibly fit next year as a depth guy to play with Lander at 4 C if they can unload Belanger.

    AS for the contracts thing, yes that is a problem. But that is where pro active GM’s make moves and deal deep prospects for futures/late picks. At a certain point we have to play for today and not for 3 years from now. Letting some older or failed prospects go in order to give us a shot at playoffs this year is a smart move. Every year there are young former high end prospects on the waiver wire, let alone available for a late pick.

    Tambo’s issue is he is Mr. Dithers. He is so afraid to make a mistake that he doesn’t move when he needs to. I don’t want a knee jerk reaction, but waiting on “hope” for players like Whitney is harming us big time. He could have dealt a few lesser prospects for picks or for futures in order to free up contract space and help us now. That is not mortgaging the future, that is being a smart pro active GM.

    But they have Belanger. He is unlikley to get picked up himself on waivers due to his contract. So picking up Hall for your last contract spot to get a marginal upgrade (if any) on Belanger (who would then just sit on the farm or the press box) is not a great move.

    And I don’t see any evidence that Hall is any big upgrade on Belanger. He is bigger and younger but no more effective. He brings NO offense and is basically Petrell II. If Hall is the solution to the 4th line C going forward then there really are problems.

    If he is the solution for next year, then they can grab him on waivers the next time he hits waivers (which will be soon).

    This strikes me as anohter one of these player XX is on waivers we must grab him. Some people around here would have taken 5 or 6 players off waivers by now.

  37. FPB94 says:

    I’ve never liked comparisons to older teams; Hockey has changed quite a bit. For exemple, Kaspars Daugavins wasn’t the first to pull his fancy moves, Phil Bourque did the same in the 90′s, except he was crucified for it, especially by a man: Bryan Murray. (whose now DG of Daugavins).

    I think a lot of the time people confuse having ”3 scoring lines” with having guys rotate in and out of the PP and share equal ice-time. It’s more or less that, just that you know the guys on your 3rd line can pinch in for a 1st or 2nd liner and make it look like nobody’s been missing.

    Looking at recent cup winners’s 3rd line:

    Ryder (40 pts) Seguin (25 pts) Campbell (30 Points)

    Ladd (40 pts) Byfuglien (35 pts) Kopecky (25 pts)

    Kennedy (40 pts) Cooke (35 pts) Dupuis (30 pts)

    Franzen (38 pts) Fillpula (38 pts) Cleary (40 points)

    I think in all the years you can find 2 guys who wouldn’t blink being on the scoring lines and the PP (Ryder, Seguin, Ladd, Byfuglien, Kenndy, Dupuis, Franzen, Fillpula)

    And generally 1 guy who is the real ”two way” guy
    (Cleary, Kopecky, Cooke, Campbell).

    Often teams will get rid of some talented guys on their 3rd lines in favor of pluggers. Well that’s doesn’t seem to work too often (At least recently).

    To win your 3rd line won’t be a ”scoring line” but having it void of ”scorers” is a terrible idea.

  38. Factotum says:

    LT,
    You’ll never know how much I needed me some Warren Zevon after the week I had. Goosebumps. Thanks, man.

  39. hunter1909 says:

    Captain Obvious: The Bruins are the dirtiest team in the league and they shouldn’t be allowed to use these tactics. It is asinine that fighting is allowed in the league.

    Despite the fact that the internet provides hitherto unheard opportunities for public expression, the rules of rhetoric still apply.

    Fail.

  40. hunter1909 says:

    Taylor Hall is seething right now somewhere. He’s showing signs of becoming a giver of Gordie Howe style NHL philosophy, which bodes well for him and the team, bad for haters everywhere.

    They should start by winning their next game, is my best advice.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide,

    The Kid Line was key to the 1990 cup win. Why did Joe Murphy semi-bust?

  42. Captain Obvious says:

    hunter1909,

    ??????

    If the rules of rhetoric apply then so do the rules in which words are formed together into sentences that make propositions.

  43. "Steve Smith" says:

    Jesse:
    Ralph mentioned a couple of things today in his presser that suggested a bit of a closer understanding of #fancystats. He talks about variance a bit, albeit in different words — something along the lines of the math from the Chicago game catching up with them in last nights game.

    Not sure how accurately you’re paraphrasing Krueger, but that reeks a little of the old “dice have memories” fallacy.

  44. godot10 says:

    hunter1909:
    Lowetide,

    The Kid Line was key to the 1990 cup win. Why did Joe Murphy semi-bust?

    I don’t think Joe Murphy qualifies as a semi-bust. He had a pretty good career, about a decade, with seven 20 plus goal seasons, and a couple of those 30 plus. So he didn’t go supernova.

  45. rickithebear says:

    Everyone is saying Hall is no upgrade at centre!

    I am, confused. Taylor or Adam,.
    Adam seems implied
    but just like pointng out spelling mistakes.
    I think it important we state the first name as well every time.
    they are equally relevant!

  46. Lowetide says:

    Factotum:
    LT,
    You’ll never know how much I needed me some Warren Zevon after the week I had.Goosebumps.Thanks, man.

    I know what you mean. something about Zevon, combination of words and melody. He’s 3am music.

  47. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    I know picking on the GM is fashionable and all,

    I’ve wanted Tambellini gone for so long that its already gone out of fashion and come back again.

    Like lava lamps.

  48. stevezie says:

    Captain Obvious,

    I thought Marchand jumping Ribero was dirtier than the Thornton-McQuaid thing. At least Hendricks responded not by fighting Marchand, but by jumping Horton. This at least makes sense. Having two goons fight makes no sense. The Bruins are dirty, but from a strategic point of view it adds up. Knowing Marchand might jump your skill player and Thornton is going to protect him is intimidating. Knowing Steve Macintyre or whoever is going to fight your professional is as scary as knowing the other team’s fans are tougher than yours. Kind of a drag, but not really important to hockey.

    I think the Bruins are weasley divers, but at least they make sense.

    Ducey,

    Hall is not an upgrade on Belanger, but he is a huge upgrade on Lander or VDV as insurance in case a centre goes down. I mean what else are you gonna do in the unlikely event another pivot gets hurt? Play Smyth at centre? Ha!
    In the meantime he can play the wing and be at least equal to Petrell.
    Non?

  49. dawgtoy says:

    Go GSP! Please knock Diaz the fuck out. I also find it funny that THE dope Diaz is accusing GSP of doping, after having failed past tests for dope. Such a dope. And now back to you’re regularly scheduled blogging.
    P.S. Go Oilers Go and GSP too.

  50. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/03/16/edmonton-oilers-taylor-hall-is-a-driving-force

    Latest from Terry Jones(it actually looks like it’s meant to be published in tomororw’s paper)

    quotes from Babcock and Hall (TAYLOR HALL Ricki) and Ralphie.

  51. stevezie says:

    Captain Obvious,

    This is not a pro-fighting argument, but you can’t suspend cheap-shots out of existence. There are too many small ways players can drive each other crazy, or even hurt each other.

    Obviously you can punish egregious offenses, but players are always going to want to police themselves and take their own revenge. A better arguement for fighting than “it prevents cheap shots” would be that it puts the vengence out in the open and is more controllable than guys sticking each other. I’m not sure this holds water, but it makes more sense than “fighting keeps the game clean” as dirty players are either excellent fighters or unwilling to fight. Has there ever been a filthier team than the Broadstreet Bullies?

  52. justDOit says:

    Captain Obvious:
    Shameful display in the Bruins–Capitals game.Thornton and Mcquaid chase Hendricks around the ice trying to get him to fight, Hendricks finally fights McQuaid.The Bruins are the dirtiest team in the league and they shouldn’t be allowed to use these tactics.It is asinine that fighting is allowed in the league.Why is it ok to hit someone in the face with your fists but not your stick?I think neither should be allowed but if one is ok then so should the other.I would have loved to see Hendricks take his stick and give Thornton a twohander to the face. There is no place in this league for guys like Thornton.

    The culture of the NHL is all messed up.The pro-goon crowds say you need fighting to keep guys honest but the teams that fight the most are also the dirtiest with their sticks and elbows.Fighting doesn’t make the cheapshots go away it increases them by providing a mechanism for dealing with them within the scope of ordinary behaviour

    They way to get rid of cheapshots is to ban fighting and to be very liberal with suspensions.If the league dropped the hammer on cheapshots, with heavy, heavy, suspensions the game would be much better.

    That might be the most violent plea for less violence I’ve read or heard. Not sure whether to slow clap, or back away slowly…

  53. Lowetide says:

    Kellen Jones 2-1-3 tonight

  54. DeadmanWaking says:

    “Steve Smith”: Not sure how accurately you’re paraphrasing Krueger, but that reeks a little of the old “dice have memories” fallacy.

    No, what’s he alluding to here is how the lizard brain gets ahead of itself sometimes: it thinks “if we won in Chicago, we must have played well”. All too often, the lizard brain imprints on blind luck.

    From After ‘Black Friday,’ American Poker Faces Cloudy Future

    Mr. Moneymaker, average-looking and slightly overweight, was a proverbial everyman, betting and bluffing his way past hundreds of pros en route to a $2.5 million purse. His win, along with the increasing availability of Internet poker, inspired an untold number of Americans to quit their jobs — or at least cut down on their other hobbies — and pursue the dream of being a poker champion.

    This was the “little big man” story that fueled the poker boom. Reality reasserted itself with a vengeance and there were very few Moneymaker stories during the boom, and not a few amateurs who bet the kitchen sink after already losing their last piss pot.

    If the players are at risk of imprinting on aberrant good fortune, it really is the job of the coach to bring this into the conscious conversation and pinch the lizard’s tail until the feeling wears off.

    How does one consciously train the lizard? It doesn’t respond to language. Not like War Horse, which we watched last night. War Horse as an unbroken yearling displayed the mind of a mid-life Border Collie in full mastery of engaging with any odd human behaviour in the certain prospect of liberating cookies from kooks. This movie was badly paced. I was still laughing so hard that I barely noticed the pathos inducing lumpa lamps (that’s short for the dry-potato-with-a-milk-chaser lump-in-your-throat lamp). If Spielberg were an inch shorter he’d be the Oompa Lumpa instead. Size matters.

    So–the lizard does not respond like a horse “who isn’t a dog” (and isn’t a “zunicorn” either). I’m glad the screenplay reminded us, before I became too distracted by visualizing just how cool it would be to train Lassie to catch three donuts on her unicorn horn, and then flip them up and chomp them down one by one by one. On the downside, when Zassie jumps up on the bed in the morning for a quick round of vaulting hopscotch upon the groin fold (the puppy lizard-brain is quick to condition upon the desired “tonic” effect) and the human lizard-brain just as reflexively intercedes with the nearest hard-cupped hand, one could wind up sporting some pretty severe saviour scars. (Somehow the FF spell checker is cool with “savior” and “Saviour” but not “saviour”. Shades of the Oopas Dei.)

    The lizard doesn’t listen, but it it does work by association. In fact, the lizard lives at the hapless mercy of association. If Krueger keeps mentioning “the Chicago game” and last night’s devastating pressure buckle in the same breath, the lizard brain has no possible defense against one bleeding into the other.

    For example, I’ve associated “MacT” with the phrase “not an idiot” in several of my recent posts. The effect is hugely magnified in the proximity of an amusing slander directed at anything else. The thing is, being raised with the church but not of the church, one of my early life lessons was “Zip It!”

    Crack that lip
    Give the past the flip
    Step on a quack
    Break your momma’s back

    When a problem comes along (you must zip it)
    Before the cream sits out too long (you must zip it)
    When salvation’s going wrong (you must zip it)

    I didn’t discard anything much–aside from the outer dimension of my inner voice. It was getting to the point where Oiler management was convicted by repetition, each repetition shorter than the last one, cant rounding the churn into chant. I don’t really care if people want to fire the management. Lord knows our management is not without sin. Then I thought to myself “Why can’t I sprinkle some sand in the Vaseline, too?” Everyone else seems to, but somehow I missed the memo.

    It begins with dueling tunes.

    Casablanca La Marseillaise

    Just love what happens when two bulldogs get a grip on a lizard’s wishbone. I’m too old now to have a dog in that fight–but I’m not too old to resist scrabbling up onto a table and decanting some fine-dining salad oil onto the slippery linoleum with my furry ass-whip. Ideally, the bulldogs will be so exhausted by the time they finally sunder the wishbone, they’ll be having doggy dreams of backing away from the killer rabbit with all the force of their stunted gristle–and going nowhere.

    Solving Counter Surfing

    “Good boy. You’re so smart!”

    Now, if only we had a coach clever enough to adapt this technique to weeding out the blind drop pass.

  55. commonfan14 says:

    Factotum:
    LT,
    You’ll never know how much I needed me some Warren Zevon after the week I had.Goosebumps.Thanks, man.

    A crazy thing about Zevon is that he was also in this Larry Sanders Show episode with Gene Siskel and John Ritter.

    http://youtu.be/aelwaJmrXeg

    Siskel died 6 years later in ’99, then Zevon and Ritter died within 4 days of each other in ’03.

    Makes it pretty creepy to watch in retrospect.

  56. vishcosity says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    you’re going want to check this out if you are interested in Detroit’s decline:

    http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089,00.html

    Yesterday in LA the link went to the photographer’s site, now in San Diego it goes to the NYT. Curious. http://www.marchandmeffre.com/ I thought that worth moving from the other thread.

    We just toured Manhattan Beach, ten minutes from LAX and right on the water. Place is on fire. Three houses per block are under construction and there is nowhere to park.

    Its only the 1%.

    Edmonton has a completely different situation. Regardless of record, the tickets will sell. They can stink it up for 3 years and still be sold out. One more year won’t hurt. says the memo from Katz. And while there is oil in them hills, QE2 will follow straight up the 15.

    Trade everything possible, tank again, grab that Barkov kid.

    boom.

    Mr. Lowe, I believe you have played this like a super star.

    Big whale = landed.

  57. Ducey says:

    A. Hall -2 and 0/1 in the FO circle in 9 minutes. So far no great loss.

    VCR loses 5-2 to DET. At least our pathetic Oilers were able to salvage a point.

  58. Lois Lowe says:

    Keep Me In Your Heart is one of the best songs I have ever heard. It is up there with Tom Waits in terms of arrangement and lyricism. That Zevon wrote that as he was dying of lung cancer makes it all the more prescient.

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