BLACKHAWKS AT OILERS G46 (12-13) 24.4.13

One of the things we can do while biding our time is check out possible acquisitions for summer. Niklas Hjalmarsson (Chicago player in photo) is a 21 minutes a night defenseman who has a reasonable CorsiRel considering his zone start (most severe) and qual comp (toughest). He has nice boxcars (45, 2-8-10 +14) for his player type and at $3.5M and a year from free agency maybe he’s a guy MacT can pull out of Chicago.

I admit to watching Winnipeg a little these days, a little melancholy about missing out the heartbreak of a season’s effort falling just short. One of the things these lottery seasons rob from us is the connection to the prime time of the sport–the period where the games become important and winning is life and death. For Oiler fans, that season is a distant memory, something we can barely remember.

The lottery seasons have brought us Hall, Nuge, Yak and the others, but it’ll be nice to see spring with games that matter someday soon.

If we could steal Stu MacGregor’s laptop (please do not steal his laptop, sure as hell a google search gets them here and I’m off to Bowden for the summer) the top of the board might look like this:

  1. Seth Jones
  2. Nathan MacKinnon
  3. Jonathan Drouin
  4. Sasha Barkov
  5. Sean Monahan

Right now, the Oilers are slated to draft 6th overall:

  • 1st Florida
  • 2nd Colorado
  • 3rd Tampa Bay
  • 4th Nashville
  • 5th Carolina
  • 6th Edmonton

I think it would be noxious for the Oilers to win the lottery (seriously, the league needs to do something about their draft rules if the Oilers grab a 4th first overall selection), but on the other hand I’d love to see the MacT era kick off with one of those five.

One team MacT could steal ideas from are the New York bloody Islanders. You talk about moneyball, Garth Snow (himself a moneyball type GM pickup) has been a waiver wizard over the years and the team’s depth has improved because of it.

Among the names claimed by NYI are Michael Grabner, Thomas Hickey, Evgeni Nabokov. They’ve also signed several minor free agents like Colin McDonald who have found their way on the Island.

Tambellini passed on some useful pieces this year, and now he’s sitting in limbo.

One time years ago my friend Louise and I were at Oilers training camp (don’t remember the year) and went to the Coliseum Inn for lunch between scrimmages. We can talk all damn day about the Oilers and in the middle of the conversation MacT and his coaching staff walked in and sat down to do the same thing.

I always wonder about the two conversations. The coaching staff has all kinds of things that make them more qualified to assess talent, and of course inside knowledge about which players are mature, which ones have injuries that could shorten their careers, etc.

However, the topics and tone are probably similar. Edmonton has a pretty damn intelligent fan base and the problems can be seen from miles away, especially after so many years of failure.

I would suggest most of us feel the Oilers need:

  1. A quality, veteran NHL defenseman to play with Schultz the younger
  2. A legit C to play behind Nuge, Gagner and Horc. This player should be able to slide up the depth chart, because we know injuries will impact the position.
  3. A veteran winger (probably portside) to go with Hall-Eberle, Paajarvi-Yakupov, ????-Hemsky. I think the Oilers could get by with Smyth-Hartikaien as the 4line options next year.
  4. A solid backup goalie.

Now that’s my list, your mileage may vary. Four additions, that’s fewer than last summer and the kids will be a year older. If MacT could add Hjalmarsson, Boyd Gordon, Stalberg or Torres and Khudobin? I’m just doing blue sky here and you probably have your own names, but the point is made. The Oilers are a few well  chosen players from being good enough to contend:

  • G: Dubnyk, Khudobin
  • D: Smid-Petry; Hjalmarsson-J Schultz; N Schultz-Klefbom; Potter
  • C: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
  • L: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Smyth
  • R: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Hartikainen, Brown

Let’s say that’s what Louise and I decide on during our lunch (this is my list and Louise is a smart cookie with her own opinions so I’m sure there would be “tweaking”), these are your Edmonton Oilers 2013 fall.

What about the coaching conversation? I have a feeling they are looking at goaltending a little more than we are (we’ve talked about this, the Bishop and Luongo discussions), and suspect MacT is going to add a bigger name on the blue. The rest? Suspect it’s close.

Bottom line: Oiler fans know this team pretty well, and MacT is a very smart guy. I think it’s going to be a lot of fun to see these moves develop and compare them to our own lists.

What’s your list?

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  1. LMHF#1 says:

    I’m going to be watching Bryan Bickell as much as I can tonight. He’s having a nice year despite limited icetime and also went over a ppg in Austria during the lockout. Would be intriguing as a bottom 6 option that may be capable of moving up the order during injuries or slumps.

  2. Lowetide says:

    http://www.nhl.com/

    Final rankings from central scouting

  3. gcw_rocks says:

    I like your list. Here is my tweaking of your list:

    G: Dubnyk, Khudobin
    D: Smid-Petry; Kulikov-J Schultz; N Schultz-Hjalmarsson, Potter
    C: Nuge, Grabovski or Burmistrov, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
    L: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Smyth
    R: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Hartikainen, Brown

    If I could get Grabovski and Burmistrov, I would buy out or trade Horcoff. Klefbom I would like to see get a year in the AHL.

  4. Cobbler says:

    I must admit that I have been cheering like hell for Winnipeg to make it in this year. They certainly had a lot of try last night and that was a tough loss for them. Next year I won’t be cheering for them so much.

    Quite happy for the Islanders this year that they have arrived? These two franchises perhaps offer us a glimpse of what the Oilers might be next year.

    Pretty much agree on the list of needs:

    - Need a backup for Dubnyk as I don’t think they are looking at Danis as anything beyond the AHL
    - A Hjalmarsson-yype would be excellent; bring Fistric back
    - Hopefully they draft a Monahan to solve the riddle at centre (can Monahan contribute right away? or is he in Junior another year?)
    - Pick up some depth on the wings through FA/trades

  5. mumbai max says:

    I am starting a write in campaign for Tyler Myers. The perfect scenario. 48 points as a rookie!
    Big and talented, but goes downhill with a bullet shortly after signing a huge contract. How many times have we seen that in sports. Get him out of town, with a new start on a young team. Legit
    top 2 D. Did I mention big and talented? Buffalo is going to clean house. All the big salaries are going, inluding Vanek. At 5.5 per year, he is not that much overpriced. They will take a couple of good prospects and a 2nd for Myers for sure. Anybody tell me why this is a bad idea?

  6. Henry says:

    One chip I hope MacT considers using is next year’s (2014) first pick. It could be quite attractive in a negotiation with a team up against the cap this summer – for a good left defenseman.

  7. cc says:

    gcw_rocks,

    I could see them getting either Burmistrov or Grabovski, but can’t see them getting involved with both.

    With Grabovski, I’d assume that Toronto wants to dump that salary. Hypothetically, could you trade salary for salary?

    For example the Oilers trade Hemsky (plus the Oilers pay 50% of his salary) for Grabovski (plus the Leafs pay 12% of his salary) the 12% would lower Grabovski’s cap hit to roughly 4.9 million rather than 5 million. I’m not saying this is a trade that gets done, just wondering if there is anything in the CBA that doesn’t allow a trade such as this?

  8. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide,

    I’ve been at almost every Mooseheads home game this season, and I’d agree that MacKinnon should be rated slightly higher than Drouin. I think MacKinnon will be ready for the NHL next season. But I’m (selfishly) hoping that whoever drafts Drouin will keep him in Halifax for one more year.

  9. knighttown says:

    I can’t believe we’re in a position to talk about this but Nate MacKinnon would be literally the perfect addition. I see him a lot here in halifax and his skating and acceleration are just insane. He blows in and out of crossovers so smoothly it’s breathtaking. The only comparable I can use is Mike Modano. I’m not sure his one on one moves will be as successful at the next level (Drouin is far better there) but his puck pursuit and recovery should translate really well. For a team, that struggles so much at evens I add the guy that can dominate at zone exits and zone entries and shots for and against.

    How good does amine Modano look at #1C for then next 15 years?

  10. cc says:

    mumbai max,

    I’d be against getting Myers. He’s a big defenseman but he plays soft, he’s looked horrible since he signed that contract. The cap hit is 5.5 until 2018-19. He’s a RH defenseman and by my eye I can’t see him playing more minutes than either Petry or Schultz. I think someone is going to take a chance on him I hope that it’s not the Oilers.

  11. RMGS says:

    G: Dubnyk, Khudobin
    D: Smid-Petry; Hjalmarsson-J Schultz; N Schultz-Klefbom; Potter
    C: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
    L: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Smyth
    R: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Hartikainen, Brown

    Hmmm… This doesn’t scream “bold” to me, but then again, maybe MacT was caught up in the hyperbolic emotion of the moment during his (re)introduction.

    I’m most curious to see how much MacT’s vision diverges from Tambellini’s. A significant tell is Klefbom’s handling. I’m going to pin grooming him to enter the top 6D too soon next year on Tambellini but have a slight suspicion that it may be an “organizational” decision. Should the rookie – who won’t have played significant minutes for a year, never mind on the smaller ice – be fed to the wolves next year, we’ll know.

    I also suspect that MPS and/or Hartikainen may be the “prospects” linked to a foreseeable Hemsky trade for that big minutes winger or top-4 D, a move I can’t see the Oilers winning. Then again, maybe that’s the ghost of Tambellini still haunting my speculative thought process.

  12. knighttown says:

    I should also add that both Nate and Jo are very modern type hockey players in that they create off the cycle a la Sidney Crosby as compared to a Hemsky type who is more one and done. For this reason I see both of their offensive numbers translating to the pro game.

  13. jonrmcleod says:

    knighttown,

    I sort of have the opposite concern for Drouin. I’m thinking his one-on-one moves won’t be very successful in the NHL (e.g., putting the puck between the defenders stick blade and skates).

  14. Smarmy says:

    I’ve been following around Khudobin and he does seem like the perfect backup who could be your starter for a few weeks if your #1 goes down for a bit.

    Guys like Bickell sound fine too. The price has to be right though but having a good bottom six guy that can play occasionally with your best players would be sweet.

    Two defensemen. I don’t know where they find them but they need two good ones.

  15. justDOit says:

    @LT: To compensate for that lack of fan bonding without playoffs for this many years now, I’ve developed a new ritual to displace the need for Oiler spring hockey: Draftivus. It’s the celebration of the birth of the Katz rebuild.

    I decorate the living room in hockey equipment and attach an aluminum hockey stick to the Xmas tree stand, and then read passages from “The Glory Barons”. This is usually followed by singing ‘The 12 Days of Draftivus’, and then we read our letters to MacTavish Clause. This year, I’ve asked for a power forward – but not just any power forward – one on an ELC!

  16. j says:

    mumbai max,

    Completely agree. I have been watching his numbers/ice time this year with the same thoughts. As we have seen time and time again, most defensemen seem to mature on their second/third teams. There are some notable exceptions but this appears to be a common trend. Myers would be a great fit. What would it take to get Huddy back behind the bench LT?

  17. Jordan says:

    Holy crap. Curtis Lazar fell into the coal chute. 20th on the NA Skaters list?! Wow.

    Guy keeps falling like this, he might be in the range for the Anaheim’s 2nd at this rate…

  18. tubes says:

    If our top D pairing for next year is Petry and Smid…we’re f*cked. I think they’re a solid 3-4, but we need a stud who can play in the top pair. The difference a 2/3 dman will make is HUGE. It cannot be understated.

    Gagner, Jones, Belanger, Petrell and either Eberle or Hemsky out. Change the dynamics of this team. We need more speed and grit that can give and take a pass. We have to be tougher to play against but also smarter. No more Jones’ or Petrell’s.

    And I love Freddy Krueger but he has to adapt to his players. Good coaches use their players where they can succeed. If his team can’t play his system then pick another god damn system. Play the damn trap if you have to!! If the players can’t adapt, they’ll find a coach who can adapt to his players.

  19. Woodguy says:

    I’d try to get Staal out of NYR and it might not be that tough to do.

    NYR are in a cap crunch with only $14 to sign 6 players and those include 2nd contracts for:

    -McDonagh (1st in ESTOI/gm among D)
    -Stepan (2nd in ESTOI/gm among F)
    -Hagelin (4th in ESTOI/gm among F)
    -Zuccarello (7th in ESTOI/gm among F)

    Unless they buy out Richards, they don’t have the room. (NOTE: don’t discount NYR buying out Richards. They drip in $ and he’s been playing 3C between Pyatt and Zuccarello. Rumors out there have NYR giving him one more season to turn it around and probably using the last remaining compliance buyout on him in summer of 2014 Lordy.)

    They might give up Staal as there is talk that he want to play in CAR with his brothers when his current contract is up in 2 years and won’t re-sign in NY anyhow.

    So why try for him for the Oilers?

    Having a very good 1LD, even for 2 years will help this team immensely and will allow the other D to play and mature in easier roles. Who knows, in two years maybe Klef is pushing the river and you don’t have to go outside the org to find 1LD again.

    Also, because he only has two years left and NYR is in a cap crunch, the asking price will mostly be futures so you don’t have to give up a core player. At most you give up 91 + middling prospect or a good pick (anything except 2013 1st) and a good prospect like Marincin/Gernat.

    Lots can change in two years, the UFA crop next year for D is much deeper, so better players available and prices will be down a bit due to supply. (although NHL GMs usually act like supply is always tight)

    Chances are you can re-coup your investment by trading him to CAR the next summer if you can get Gunnarson/Gardiner out of TOR and Klef is a player.

    That’s where I start.

    I then try to package together Gagner + N.Shultz + ? to get Grabovski + Gunnarson/Gardiner + out of TOR.

    I’d try to get Kulimen in the deal too.

    Grabbo has a history of beating tough comp and are having poor years and may be easy to get, same with Kulimen.

    Grabbo is overpaid at $5.5MM and his coach doesn’t like him so he may have a negative value for TOR. You may be able to get them to cover $1MM/yr of his salary.

    Grabbo would be my Horcoff replacement. He’s 29 and has 4 years left on his contract.

    You don’t need the cap room next year, but may have to compliance buy-out Horcoff in the summer of 2014. Given that Horc’s salary will be much lower than his cap that year ($3MM actual, $5.5MM cap), he is probably trade-able. Probably to NYI.

    Draft a C with the 1st.

    As that C matures then he can fight to replace Grabbo as 2C and 57 is there too.

    4-93-14
    91-Grabbo-64
    Kulimen-10-83
    56-57-13

    Staal – 2
    5- Gardiner/Gunnarsson
    Klef-19
    44

    DD
    Not Khabby

  20. Jordan says:

    Does anyone know if the Andrei Mironov available in this draft is a relative of Boris?

    Woodguy,
    WG – I really like that lineup. Well thought out. Still a little leery of how soft the RW are, but that’s a deep lineup.

  21. Woodguy says:

    Note:

    NYR will still have these D on the roster if they trade Staal:

    Dan Girardi
    Ryan McDonagh
    Michael Del Zotto
    Anton Stralman
    John Moore
    Mike Sauer (if he can come back from concussions)

  22. FrankenOil says:

    For me there are a few things:
    1)Hire Huddy away from the Jets to either help or replace Smith
    2) If Smith is let go, then hire a Billy Moores-type (cough Perry Pearn) as well
    3)Look for Euro Veteran D – which would mean hopefully bringing Grebs back to replace Whitney
    4)Look for more younger, hungry players to compete on the 3rd and 4th lines. I want to see Harti, Lander compete with a few other kids in the range of 23-25 with 2 or 3 years of (productive) AHL experience. I think the veteran route (signing guys in the 28-34 range) to fill out those roles experiment has failed miserably. If you look at most teams, those lines are filled with guys who are trying to “move up” the line-up as opposed to vets just trying to hang on.
    5)Keep Smyth to help mentor Lander and whoever we draft in the top-5 on the 4th Line.
    6)Sign Khudobin, trade for Ben Scrivens, Josh Harding, etc. Basically look for a guy capable of pushing Dubnyk who is still in the 25-30 range with some NHL experience.
    7)Look for a C capable of playing Wing who can play in the “Middle-6″. I envision a Matt Cullen-type as a stop-gap
    8)Enquire about Michael Stone (PHX) or Paul Postma (WPG) as a D with considerable AHL experience (and success) with size and some NHL experience who are close to hitting that range when young D finish their proper apprenticeship and begin to become full-time, actual NHL defenders
    9)Trade Hemsky to fill a need that MacT is unable to fill through free agency

  23. FrankenOil says:

    I am also willing to guess the knuckledragger player won’t be a priority any longer under MacT (see his reluctance to play Georges and his belief after Georges left that the goon role had become antiquated). This should mean that all 14 forward positions should be available to actual NHL players.

  24. cc says:

    Woodguy,

    I’m with you on the Grabovski&Gardiner. I would wonder if they’d do Grabo&Gardiner for Hemsky&Gagner. The Leafs have a pretty decent defense, plus their prospect strengths are on the blueline. It would give them a top 6 of Kadri-Lupul-Kessell-Gagner-Hemsky-JVR with enough money to possibly resign Bozak (who is good friends with Kessell) and put him in a more traditional checking role.

    I would like to get Staal, but I have a feeling that, Carolina is going to pay a huge price, if they can work it cap-wise, to get the Staal’s together. But the Cane’s have HUGE cap problems. If the Oilers could make a deal work for Staal that would be great. In a perfect world Klefbom knocks it out of the park next year and you could trade Staal to Carolina for a nice price.

  25. denny33 says:

    Lowetide,

    As expected, Curtis Lazar is ranked at # 20 for N. American Skaters…

  26. denny33 says:

    gcw_rocks,

    Please explain the small, Burmistrov on your list????

  27. FrankenOil says:

    denny33,

    I think he would be a good gamble if they are looking to trade Gagner for help elsewhere

  28. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “I remember how the darkness doubled
    I recall, lightning struck itself”

    Fuck LT, Tom Verlaine… inspired choice!

    The first time I heard Marquee Moon things changed. Verlaine and Lloyd create soundscapes with guitars. Great band, great album.

    “Right now, the Oilers are slated to draft 6th overall:”

    I think we are actually 5th. Carolina is ahead of us in wins, but we have a game in hand which puts us temporarily ahead of them… or, I think when we lose tonight and we remain tied with Carolina and Nashville, Carolina hops us and Nashville stays behind.

    At any rate, we’ve got a legit shot at 4th overall if we can hold the line and lose the last 3.

    “I admit to watching Winnipeg a little these days, a little melancholy about missing out the heartbreak of a season’s effort falling just short. One of the things these lottery seasons rob from us is the connection to the prime time of the sport–the period where the games become important and winning is life and death. For Oiler fans, that season is a distant memory, something we can barely remember.”

    I watched the Carolina and Nashville games last night… Some kind of Spring enthusiasm is taking over… it’s just of the wrong kind.

    I want to smash and grab Barkov and move out of the basement in a hurry.

    Wasn’t Hjalmarsson on our list of possibles last off-season? I can’t recall if that was LT generated (like Tyutin) or rumor ether generated (like Methot)… either way, he’s not my top choice, but he’d be a step up on our current crew.

    Oh, and before we crown Snow the GM for all Seasons, we ought to recall the DiPietro signing.

  29. Woodguy says:

    cc:
    Woodguy,

    I’m with you on the Grabovski&Gardiner.I would wonder if they’d do Grabo&Gardiner for Hemsky&Gagner.The Leafs have a pretty decent defense, plus their prospect strengths are on the blueline.It would give them a top 6 of Kadri-Lupul-Kessell-Gagner-Hemsky-JVR with enough money to possibly resign Bozak (who is good friends with Kessell) and put him in a more traditional checking role.

    I would like to get Staal, but I have a feeling that, Carolina is going to pay a huge price, if they can work it cap-wise, to get the Staal’s together.But the Cane’s have HUGE cap problems.If the Oilers could make a deal work for Staal that would be great.In a perfect world Klefbom knocks it out of the park next year and you could trade Staal to Carolina for a nice price.

    I see no reason to include Hemsky in the TOR deal unless they want him.

    CAR can’t take Staal this year unless they move out Ruutu who has a NMC

    Their awful Ward contract weighs them down.

    Eric Staal making $8.2MM is too heavy as well.

  30. denny33 says:

    FrankenOil,

    How would you get him?

    Why would you want another small, perimeter player?

    Like so many Oilers – if you draw a circle around the opposition’s net – Burmistrov will not be found anywhere near that circle…dangling along the boards on occasion – yep.

  31. Halfwise says:

    I don’t know enough about the players on other teams to opine about who could or should be acquired. But it’s not hard to look down the 2013 Oiler roster and see who is neither pulling their weight nor headed in the right direction. The more of those that get replaced with actual NHL contributors, the better. After all, that is what the other teams are doing, so it’s not impossible.

    Can I propose a new theme for discussions? What should this team learn to do better, based on what metrics and analysis? Improved shot differential comes to mind, which in turn comes from doing different things in both ends. What are those things? A second question is “what kinds of players are needed to do those things?”

    RK’s success elsewhere makes me believe (hope?) that he is wise enough to have a vision but smart enough to adapt to reality. What collective advice for RK could we get behind?

  32. Woodguy says:

    Mike Parkatti is killing it with an in depth look into PDO

    Here is part 1: http://www.boysonthebus.com/2013/04/16/investigation-into-the-sustainability-of-team-percentages-part-i-pdo/

    Part 2: http://www.boysonthebus.com/2013/04/18/investigation-into-team-percentages-part-ii-save-percentage/

    Part 3: http://www.boysonthebus.com/2013/04/23/investigation-into-team-percentages-part-iii-shooting-percentage/

    Coles Notes: PDO doesn’t always regress to 1000. Very good goaltending can sustain a team’s PDO over 1000 over time.

    Shooting % however, doesn’t have the same sustain and is pretty random.

  33. jake70 says:

    Halfwise:
    I don’t know enough about the players on other teams to opine about who could or should be acquired.

    Well Halfwise, I think I have a job for you…..pro scout for Edmonton Oilers…..youwould fit right in.

  34. FPB94 says:

    To me Curtis Lazar is like a yearly event it seems in the draft where the scouts fancy a guy with no particular ability to score. (Or at least subpar)

    I find it weird because it seems to be random, and sometimes guys with size and some + scoring fall down the draft for no obvious reason (Mantha, Oleksiak).

    2012: Scott Laughton
    2011: Tyler Biggs
    2010: Dylan Mcilrath
    2009: Phillpe Paradis
    2008: Kyle Beach
    2007: Colton Gillies
    2006: Michael Grabner

    List goes on and on and on.

  35. FrankenOil says:

    denny33,

    I’m just saying the Oilers will need someone with some offensive acumen if they choose to trade Gagner. If thry keep thumbing their nose at skill players in their search for size, they’ll never get better. I was (and still am) baffled at why they didn’t go get Loktionov for a 5th when he was available or same goes for Ellerby. Instead, in this search for players who go to the tough areas, we got Brown and Smithson who, sure they get to the tough areas, but they can’t do a god damn thing otherwise. Our biggest problem when Horcoff went down was the fact we had nobody capable of playing with the skill players and providing actual depth at the position. Burmistrov is a skilled player who MAY be had for pennies on the draft dollar spent on him. Get him on the cheap and use your expensive assets like Hemsky and Gagner to fill out the more important roles (defense, bigger/more skilled wingers, youyng two-way C). If we trade Gags, we need to get another NHL C.

  36. FrankenOil says:

    FPB94:
    To me Curtis Lazar is like a yearly event it seems in the draft where the scouts fancy a guy with no particular ability to score. (Or at least subpar)

    I find it weird because it seems to be random, and sometimesguys with size and some + scoring fall down the draft for no obvious reason (Mantha, Oleksiak).

    2012: Scott Laughton
    2011: Tyler Biggs
    2010: Dylan Mcilrath
    2009: Phillpe Paradis
    2008: Kyle Beach
    2007: Colton Gillies
    2006: Michael Grabner

    List goes on and on and on.

    Well I would say Beach/Lazar , for example, have scored at the WHL level. Beach scored 50 in the WHL. His issue was (and remains) his attitude. Lazar has scored 38. Grabner, is a slight winger, who has been a scorer at the NHL level. Some of your examples are not like the other ones.

  37. denny33 says:

    Any roster that has Sam Gagner as your number 2C and Sean Horcoff as your number 3C is destined to compete for the draft lottery.

    My evaluation of Mac T revolves around how he handles -Sam Gagner, Hemsky and Sean Horcoff…

    In fact, if he were to remove all 6 bottom forwards including Ryan Smyth – and completely rebuild the third and fourth lines – I would be a huge fan. ( Smyth, Horcoff, Jones, Petrell, M,Brown, Smithson,).

    Perhaps you can argue keeping Sean for one more year as a 35 year old 3C….but then you have to talk to Ryan.

    We are a brutal hockey team. Playing at the margins of our roster will not suffice.

  38. LMHF#1 says:

    denny33:
    gcw_rocks,

    Please explain the small, Burmistrov on your list????

    Kindly explain how 6’1″ is small.

  39. VanOil says:

    C: RNH, Gagner, Matthias, Horcoff,
    R: Eberle, Yakupov, Hartikainen, Brown
    L: Hall, Niederreiter, Paajarvi, Lander, Smyth
    D: Smid-Petry; Tanev-J Schultz; N Schultz-Klefbom; Potter
    G: Dubnyk, Khudobin

  40. FPB94 says:

    FrankenOil,

    They don’t have to be exactly the same. I’m just sorting out the guys who had trouble scoring but were drafted high regardless (out of NA).

  41. denny33 says:

    FrankenOil,

    I completely agree with you on Smithson and Brown….terrible.

    However, we are searching for size because we are, by far, one of the easiest teams in the league to play against. (size and skill required )

    The team is chock full of small, ‘not-heavy’ players….as Taylor Hall keeps pointing out.

    Burmistrov is a small, perimeter player. We have a Ton of those already…

  42. FrankenOil says:

    denny33,

    Well, the problem with this team is the margins right now – it isn’t the core. I think you keep recycling players until you find the right mix. Pick guys off of waivers, sign NHL and AHL vets to 1 year contracts, trade for underperforming young players off of other rosters. This is how you build. This is the goal now and it should’ve been the goal 2 summers ago. Instead we signed vets to 3 year contracts (Eager, Belanger), 2 year Contracts (Smyth), re-signed Hordichuk and Petrell instead of looking for upgrades, trading mid round picks for waiver wire calibre players, etc. I’m just saying Burmistrov is a bet I’d take if the price were low and he was taking a one-year contract this summer.

  43. denny33 says:

    LMHF#1,

    12 pounds lighter than our monster 2C

  44. slopitch says:

    I’ve seen a lot of people here loving Barkov but his scouting report says “Barkov is a creative with a very solid overall package and the skill set to compensate for his below-average skating” (source eliteprospects.com). I wouldn’t go near anyone who cant skate. The game doesn’t allow it anymore.

  45. LMHF#1 says:

    denny33:
    LMHF#1,

    12 pounds lighter than our monster 2C

    So if Taylor Hall were all of 12 lbs lighter, he’d be ‘small’? Come on…

  46. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    I’m sorry to be the one who has to keep telling you this but, this team will never win a bloody thing with Paajarvi
    Gagner
    Especially Lander
    Hartikinen

    In your line up….ever! I’ve watched enough hockey, player enough hockey, coached enough hockey to tell you flat out that these players, although good NHL players won’t win the games that have to be won when it matters most.

    They are just not a good fit, not tough enough, won’t hit, can’t score, to small, not quick enough.

    I felt sorry for Yakupov to be teamed up with Lander and Hartikinen, they absolutely got dominated.

    Getzlaf toyed with Gagner, got beat up and down the ice physically, zero push with the puck from Gagner who also could not break the Ducks cycle down low.

    These are the players the Oilers can no longer wait for to develop, time is not on there side anymore.

    If the Oilers want to push forward they need to fill these spots with actual NHL veteran players.

  47. sliderule says:

    Our castoffs like Cogliano and Glencross do pretty well playing for other teams so I don’t think we have to throw all the bottom six forwards and 5@6 D in the trash.

    The oil need an NHL coach not our recycled euro RK and Kevs crony assistants.

    Until MacT makes that change the oilers fans are in for more pain.A lot more pain.

  48. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    slopitch,

    I can give you about five or six different scouting reports that say two different things, his skating is fine or such a large man, he only skates as fast as he needs to given the situation.

    A couple more points, his skating is on a bigger ice, so it won’t translate as bad to NHL rinks.

    You can work on quickness, you can’t teach his skill set though.

  49. slopitch says:

    As for lineups, I’ll play… here are the moves to get there.

    1) Draft Nikustin
    - we could use a big 6″4 LW (non roster move)
    2) Trade Gagner for Bogosian.
    - Bogo is quietly emerging about to break out IMO. Winnipeg has lots of d and size in their top 6 (Wheeler, Kane, Ladd). They could use some skill up the middle. Gagner fits.
    3) Trade Hemsky and Marincin for Tytuin.
    - Columbus has a plethora of D. Tytuin is signed longer term and could be available.
    4) Trade Petry, 2014 1st, 2013 2nd for Marc Staal, Hagelin
    - Hagelin is a adv stat stud. Not much room for him in NYR. Petry is a good contract that allows us to get Staal.
    5) Dubnyk for Ryan Miller
    - Not sure we need this. Kevin Lowe raves about Olympic caliber goaltending which is a slight mockery but also a nice to have.
    6) Sign Gordon or Jeff Halpern and Erik Condra.
    - I think MacT will be an expert at finding these type of players.
    7) Buy out Eager and Belanger
    - duh
    8) Sign Khudobin

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    The wonderkids continue to impress and take a step forward when Nuge’s shoulder recovers (fully) by Christmas.

    Hagelin-Horcoff-Yakapov
    Horcoff cant make 5.5 cap hit and play 3rd line. 2 responsible players to let Yakapov go Bure. The ideal spot for him.

    Torres-Gordon-Condra
    A tough min line. Could be 4th line by end of season or used interchangeably.

    Pajarvi-Lander-Hartikainen
    The Nordic line. A 4th line that can play! would enjoy playing together and improve during the season. Starting Pajarvi on 4th line allows us to lock him up cheap.

    Extras: Smyth, Brown

    Staal-Bogo
    An actual top pairing. Music! (as LT would say)

    Tytuin-Smid
    A tough mid pairing. Would be great combo.

    Schultz-Schultz
    Potter is the extra and rotates with Schultz Sr. Both gets replaced by Klefbom by Christmas who starts in OKC.

    I live in a dream world where I ride unicorns to work and the beer flows like wine so make fun all you want lol

  50. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    sliderule,

    Glencross wasn’t a cast off, that was just piss poor player management by 6 rings himself.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    I’m sorry to be the one who has to keep telling you this

    You could solve that by not posting.

    Win, Win!

  52. LMHF#1 says:

    Wes Mantooth-11:
    I’m sorry to be the one who has to keep telling you this but, this team will never win a bloody thing with
    Hartikinen

    They are just not a good fit, not tough enough, won’t hit, can’t score, to small, not quick enough.

    First, at least spell the guy’s name right if you’re going to slag him.

    Second, Hartikainen *might* fit one of these things you mention. Lumping him in on your list is inappropriate.

  53. cabbiesmacker says:

    The team shown for next season with the adds you’ve made would be marginally better than this years. Still way too reliant on kids improvements.

    Also why are the Hawks interested in trading Hjalmarsson again? and…he’s not a top two answer if that’s what ppl feel is required.

  54. dangilitis says:

    G: Dubnyk, Khudobin
    D: Smid-Petry; Hjalmarsson-J Schultz; N Schultz-Klefbom; Potter
    C: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
    L: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Smyth
    R: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Hartikainen, Brown

    Can they afford that?
    The issues I see are 1) likely overpaying for Gagner,
    2) reliance on production from 2nd line while not leaking chances against easier competition (although Yakupov next year should be significantly better, I am not sure if Paajarvi and Gagner will take significant steps forward and I am not sure if this will be enough)
    3) Paying Horcoff, Hemsky, and N Schultz more than their projected role would warrant. On most teams, you would expect the total salary for a #3C, #3W, and bottom pairing D-man to be 6 million, not 14 million. As much as I love Hemsky, I don’t feel they will be able to re-sign him, nor do I think they will be able to (or should) re-sign N Schultz at top 4 dollars. Are there not cheaper, equivalent, and younger options on the UFA market? Even an overpay for UFAs in any of these roles would be cheaper than the 3 players mentioned, and I suspect that they could trade the latter 2 for 2nd or 3rd round draft picks in a deep 2013 pool. The result would be a reduction in payroll to fill the same spots with equivalent or better players, and 2 extra draft picks.

    E.g. Brad Boyes to replace Hemsky, Clitsome to replace Schultz. Not really great options to replace Horcoff, but if you picked up Gordon, and drafted a center with 1st round pick, you set yourself up well next year for letting Horcs go next summer.

    That would also address concerns about beefing up the top 9 a bit while maintaining skill (Boyes could slot in 2nd line whenever needed), shaving costs (to allow yourself to hand out bigger contract to Gagner and in the near future Petry and Nuge), while adding 2013 draft picks to make the prospect pool deeper and more amenable to a trade? This would be it:
    G: Dubnyk, Khudobin
    D: Smid-Petry; Hjalmarsson-J Schultz; Clitsome-Klefbom; Potter
    C: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
    L: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Smyth
    R: Eberle, Yakupov, Boyes, Hartikainen, Brown

  55. Jordan says:

    slopitch,

    There’s a lot happening in your scenario. I don’t like your draft move – rather go pantsoff for Barkov, but IF he’s legit, he could be a nice piece. Just too much uncertainty for me.

    WRT your roster moves… your back end looks very nice, and your lineup sure looks harder to play against, but I can’t help but wonder where the secondary scoring’s coming from. I’d rather get more from the pieces you move (really don’t want to trade any more of the picks from this year), but you have to give to get, and those moves seem feasable. Just really expensive for the club.

    If this club has the depth to start the Bom in OKC next year, that would be music.

  56. Derek says:

    Woodguy:
    Wes Mantooth-11,

    I’m sorry to be the one who has to keep telling you this

    You could solve that by not posting.

    Win, Win!

    Oh Snap. Steve Smith got into Woodguys account and he’s doing Steve Smith things.

  57. Ryan says:

    denny33,

    Danny, I think Horcoff is a litmus test for MacT as a GM.

    Good teams with rich ownership won’t hesitate to buyout decent or even good players on bad contracts.

    I’m not Nostradamus, but we can all anticipate better players than Horcoff getting bought out, so it’s not a knock on him as a player.

    The 2nd and 3rd lines regardless of their composition on our roster have been porridge.

    I don’t think running with Nuge-Gagner-Horcoff is a plan for success.

    Overall, it’s a complicated problem though. When you buyout Horcoff, you need a replacement.

    If you keep Gagner, then RW is clogged so the only upgrade to that line is the LW. In short, you’re betting than a 2 LW vet can stop that line from sinking. On top of that, you need to find that vet.

    Nuge–Hall–Ebs
    Gagner–?1?–Yakupov
    ?2?—MPS–Hemsky

    Finding a 2LW / 3C that are good 2-way players with some size and the revered ‘grit’ is the challenge. Then it’s a question of whether or not that’s enough. I think it’s a decent start if the backend is build up, but to do that you can anticipate losing one of Hemsky/Gagner/Eberle which creates more holes.

    Bottom line is that I’m glad I’m not the GM. :)

  58. Cameron says:

    @slopitch

    - Nichushkin is what my friend Doug McLachlan calls this years’ ‘Jagr’ pick. The guy who goes 5th overall but ends up being a dominant offensive producer his entire career. I like him lots too – but he scares the living poop out of me (shades of Nik Zherdev).

    - There is no chance in Dante’s Inferno that you can get Bogosian out of Wpg for Sam Gagner. For Yakupov or Eberle I think they’d consider it.

    - Hemsky -> Tyutin actually kind of makes sense.

    - I think you can trade for Marc Staal with that offer. Or you could trade for Hagelin (with a lesser version of that offer), but not both.

    - Dubnyk for Miller. You’ve been sniffing glitter if you seriously think Buffalo does this.

    - 6,7,8 All make sense to me.

  59. Halfwise says:

    jake70,

    Hey, maybe I am one already…

    I swear, Oiler pro scouting is like Barry Fraser in his later years, only now he’s watching Center Ice at his place in Mexico instead of tapes of junior games. Or maybe all the good ideas got to ST and he assessed them until some other team acted.

    Anyway, back to my suggestion. The torches & pitchforks gang is after a new coach. I understand the frustration but running RK out of town so soon after running TR out of town so soon after running Pat Quinn out of town etc doesn’t seem particularly strategic to me. Give the poor guy an NHL roster, for starters.

    But then why should we all not act like leaders and help him be successful, with some specific insights about what he ought to do differently, analysis that supports the insights, and some examples or guidance to help implement it all?

    I’ll start. At home, shelter the fourth line by never starting them in the D zone with the third pairing unless that is what the other coach also has on the ice and the faceoff is on our C’s strong side. And, bench any forward who ices the puck more than 40 seconds into his shift twice in one game.

  60. Derek says:

    Halfwise:
    jake70,

    Hey, maybe I am one already…

    I swear, Oiler pro scouting is like Barry Fraser in his later years, only now he’s watching Center Ice at his place in Mexico instead of tapes of junior games. Or maybe all the good ideas got to ST and he assessed them until some other team acted.

    Anyway, back to my suggestion.The torches & pitchforks gang is after a new coach. I understand the frustration but running RK out of town so soon after running TR out of town so soon after running Pat Quinn out of town etc doesn’t seem particularly strategic to me. Give the poor guy an NHL roster, for starters.

    But then why should we all not act like leaders and help him be successful, with some specific insights about what he ought to do differently, analysis that supports the insights, and some examples or guidance to help implement it all?

    I’ll start. At home, shelter the fourth line by never starting them in the D zone with the third pairing unless that is what the other coach also has on the ice and the faceoff is on our C’s strong side. And, bench any forward who ices the puck more than 40 seconds into his shift twice in one game.

    I agree that it would be nice to put a halt on the revolving door that is this organizations head coaching position, but to do so now would be giving an inexperienced head coach who is getting less out of the same roster Renney had another shot, just for the sake of not making a change.

    Mactavish is going to want his own man in there sooner rather than later, especially with the hot seat that he has inherited. Lindy Ruff may not be unemployed long.

  61. blackdog says:

    Two top four D, not one. Other than that I’m on board with the original diagnosis.

    And I don’t think MacT HAS to make a big move this summer. Shoudl be able to get necessary pieces with the Cap going down without trading any of the prize kids I would think.

  62. cabbiesmacker says:

    There’s been some talk the past few days about Byfuglien possibly being available if the right offer were made. I’d rather have him on the back end than Hjalmarsson. Chances either are available are pretty slim I’d think but hey..

  63. gcw_rocks says:

    denny33,

    He is light, rather than small given he is 6’1″ but 180 lbs. I understand him to be a strong possession player, which is what the Oilers need. He doesn’t fit in real well in the ‘Peg, so I would hope to get him for a reasonable price.

    I am much more interested in possession players, rather than size.

  64. Forest Miner says:

    Past decisions continue to haunt this franchise. Having nothing to show for Souray, and little for Vishnovsky really hurts our back end, and the development of the young defensive group we have.

    Kevin Lowe should be ashamed we are so weak on the back end, seeing our only successful team in 20 years had quality depth on D, which we traded away for offence or simply left. There is not one of our Boys on the Bus alumni coaching and management group who were known for offence in their playing careers. Play to your strengths, Tree Fort club! Grinders and BlueLine Towers with a twist of Sid. We have none, oddly.

    We need at least 3 new defensemen to compete. I don’t envy MacT the work going forward, as this past trading deadline was an ideal opportunity to get more draft picks or at least one useful defender in the 25-28 year old range.

    I really registered to post on the excellent music choices, love the Moby Grape, and was sad that Stan’s appearance a few weeks ago was akin to a scared groundhog – his shadow is too long for this club to live under. Spring is finally coming, and the wistfulness I feel towards a playoff hunt is tempered by the fact one million Red River Riels are hurting along with the Albertans.

  65. slopitch says:

    @Wes: Never seen Barkov play. If the report is out there re poor skater its something to consider. Oiler prospects who have been average skaters havent done well. Myself I’d go Nichushkin.

    @Jordan: Ya maybe I over invested in the D. After watching Oilers hockey since 2006, I dont know its possible. But I think Yak and line 2 would put up pts. All 3 lines are designed to be full of “up the river” players with the kids being deployed like the Sedins. Perhaps your right and more offense is needed on line 3.

    @Cameron: Bogo for Gagner could very well be a pipe dream. I’m just looking into scenarios to vastly improve the D. You could say “Gagner for best available D” but there are scenarios Id rather just keep Gagner and buy out Horcoff. I dont believe in paying 3rd liners over 5 million. I keep reading on twitter about how Miller wants a change of scenery and isn’t happy. He hasn’t played well this year either. Worth a phone call.

  66. leadfarmer says:

    LMHF#1,

    Ummm, yes. He’s already a slim guy. And before any says, “Oh but wait he is listed at 195″ I dont believe it. I think the Oilers and most teams lie about player sizes. The new prospect they signed had a 2 inch growth spurt after signing. RNH is not 185 lbs. That would put him as the same size a Schultz Jr and almost the same size as Lander and Smyth who are quite a bit bigger. Gagner is the worlds tallest 5’11 player.

  67. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Coles Notes: PDO doesn’t always regress to 1000. Very good goaltending can sustain a team’s PDO over 1000 over time.
    Shooting % however, doesn’t have the same sustain and is pretty rand

    Remeber the Mc79 – Richard cannot write postings a while back a little pissing and go away boy.
    look @ my posts.
    To paraphrase.
    PDO does not regress to mean cause there is not enough data in a year.
    Shooting % is random to individual!
    Fer fuck Sakes!

  68. godot10 says:

    I think people obsess far too much about the forwards and the coaching. The main problem with the Oilers is the defense.

    Adding 2 legit top 4 D will cure most of the problems with the Oilers. Staal would be ideal if the Oiler could get him. An ideal transitional defensemen to get to Klefbom and Marincin, if one is unable to re-sign him. Chicago has to sign Leddy, so Hjalmarsson might be available. Offer sheet Gunnarsson at near the max 2nd round compenation level. If that fails, offer sheet Tanev at the same level. If Streit goes UFA, pursue him. See if Hemsky can be dealt for Runblad or one of Phoenix;s prospect D. If Florida drafts Jones, see if Kulikov can be shaken loose. I don’t like Myers contract. It brings too much risk. I don’t like betting the rebuild on one player, and acquiring Myers would do that.

    Krueger did a good job of separating the wheat from the chaff, the good players rose, the bad players revealed themselves. MacT needs to find an assistant for Krueger who can help with NHL tactical coaching.

    If Philly buys out Briere, the OIlers should try signing him to a one year deal to fill that start of the season gap created by Nugent-Hopkins surgery.

    Gagner is 23, and imperfect but with impeccable character and a consistent 45-55 point producer. It is safe to sign him to a 4-year deal for $4.5 million per annum, and that will be a tradeable contract. The centre they draft this year should be ready in two, and Gagner will be 25 with two years left on his contract, and that will be easy to trade.

    Lander may actually project more as a winger now than a centre. Both he and Hartikainen need to play with a puck transporter. But if one is playing Lander on the bottom two lines, the quality of puck transporters on the wing tend to be average at best. Lander needs Paajarvi on his wing to play centre. Without Paajarvi, I think Lander then projects as a LW going forward, and one of those depth centres stashed on the wing.

  69. cabbiesmacker says:

    rickithebear: Remeber the Mc79 – Richardcannot write postings a while back a little pissing and go away boy.
    look @ my posts.
    To paraphrase.
    PDO does not regress to mean cause there is not enough data in a year.
    Shooting % is random!
    Fer fuck Sakes!

    “Remember the Alamo”

    After that I got lost.

    FFS

  70. leadfarmer says:

    godot10,

    If MacT does not bring in two defensemen equal or better to Smid and Petry next year will be another rebuilding year. I do like to complain about RKs coaching system but its hard to implement a good system with poor players. Although I would like him to drop the 2-1-2 system he is playing.

  71. leadfarmer says:

    This being the oilers I can see us having the exact same lineup next year except Klefbom taking Whitney’s spot and 2 of the bottom 6 forwards replaced with Smithson and Jones gone and one equally poor player taking one of the spots and a rookie the other.

  72. cabbiesmacker says:

    godot10:
    Gagner is 23, and imperfect but with impeccable character and a consistent 45-55 point producer

    I must have napped through the season Gagner hit 50 points. WTF?

    Actually he’s a consistent 41 – 45 point player……….and about to pull close to $5M.

    Yes please MacT. More players stuck in roles they can’t fill properly at large coin.

  73. borisnikov says:

    It appears as though “Tamblowe’s bad plan could land us Monahan”. Tonight I hope the “Dive for the Bottom 5″ continues. No sense in f’ing things up now.

    I just hope that after this season there will be some joy to behold with this team so I don’t have to waste my time coming up bad Oiler memes to provide myself with some Oiler related entertainment.

    PS. Tonight I wouldn’t be sad to see “Duncan Keith lose some teeth”. The guy is an ass.

  74. cabbiesmacker says:

    slopitch:

    6) Sign Gordon or Jeff Halpern and Erik Condra.
    - I think MacT will be an expert at finding these type of players.

    The plugs you mean? I agree wholeheartedly. I think MacT will be a whiz at finding those. He certainly preferred coaching them.

  75. rickithebear says:

    Good and Bad Goaltending.
    Largely the periferal goalies.
    Dubnyk Is one of them.

  76. oilgreg says:

    As I attend all home games, it is nice to know that K. Lowe will listen and value my comments. Here goes;
    - More size is needs at second-line centre. Hanzal for Gagner may be a doable trade, as Pheonix does need scoring. Other options will exist this summer. Another move maybe to sign Bozak out of Toronto, and them move Gagner for help on the back end.
    - I have enjoyed watching Hemsky over the years, but it is time to move him. We need someone on the second line who is tough to play against.
    - I would hesitate to move Paajarvi, unless there was something ‘too enticing’ coming back. This player would have to have youth, and maybe M. Staal or Bogosian fits the bill.
    - Compliment Brown with someone else on the fourth line who can also play a tough game – and is also willing to fight as needed.

  77. sliderule says:

    Nichushkin only has 2 pts in three games at u18 world junior.

    If he wants to be in top five he had better kick it in gear.

    McDavid who is 16 has 11 pts in comparison.

  78. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: Remeber the Mc79 – Richardcannot write postings a while back a little pissing and go away boy.
    look @ my posts.
    To paraphrase.
    PDO does not regress to mean cause there is not enough data in a year.
    Shooting % is random to individual!
    Fer fuck Sakes!

    You should read what Mike has done there.

  79. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    Nichushkin only has 2 pts in three games at u18 world junior.

    If he wants to be in top five he had better kick it in gear.

    McDavid who is 16 has 11 pts in comparison.

    Tourney sample size will outweigh what he did in the KHL?

  80. FPB94 says:

    Woodguy,

    Welcome to Scouting.

  81. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    Agreed most points.

    2 Dmen crucial for next year.

  82. spoiler says:

    rickithebear: Good and Bad Goaltending.Largely the periferal goalies.Dubnyk Is one of them.

    I’ve always preferred feral goalies. I think Emery is the only one out there right now, but he is a shadow of his former self. Perhaps more periferal than feral these days.

  83. Lowetide says:

    Gents: I can’t get 2 D in there with Schultz the elder. How about:

    1. Trade N Schultz and spend his money on Streit
    2. Deal for Hjalmarrson or similar vintage.

    Only way I can see it working.

  84. sliderule says:

    Nichushkin is now tied for seventh in scoring for the Russian team.

    As all the scouts are there I would think it will affect their decisions unless he is injured or sick.

  85. jonrmcleod says:

    blackdog,

    Yes, I agree that the Oilers should attempt to add two top-4 defensemen this summer. I’d also like to see a few smart pickups to improve the bottom 6. I don’t think you’ll get much in a trade for Hemsky right now. On the other hand, Gagner’s value might be a bit inflated at the moment–especially if he has another 8 point night tonight.

  86. spoiler says:

    Hartikainen looks slow to my eye.

    Now I’m not as prejudiced as some against speed or lack thereof. I remember Mike Bossy’s elbows sawing the air to splinters as he “dashed” down the ice. I remember Luc Robitaille skating through perpetual pond slush… many others. There’s a place in this game for slower players, if their style of play suits their speed..

    But it seems to me that Harski’s game is reliant on the forecheck, and a relentless cycle, not on sitting in a hole and sniping a corner of the net from 15 feet out. Sure maybe he can become Tim Kerr, but I personally don’t see Harksi–with his skating where it is today–as being helpful to the Top 9 at any point in his career. Nor am I sure he can forecheck well enough to play 4th line.

    Apparently there was substantial interest in him at the last draft frenzy… I’d be checking to see if that interest is still there and what could be obtained.

  87. Mr DeBakey says:

    Gents: I can’t get 2 D in there with Schultz the elder. How about:

    Smid, Ladislav
    Petry, Jeff
    Schultz, Nick
    Schultz, Justin
    Plus 2
    and Fistric, Peckman or Power-Potter-Play eating popcorn.

    Klefbom starts in OKC on a well-run operation.

  88. Maverick says:

    Thanks goodness only 3 games left.

    Its been a weird year, lookout, shorted season, the Oilers crapping the bed again. Let’s hope this will be the last top 10 pick for a long time. It’s a Centre or bust in my opinion, Barkov or Monahan.
    Lots of work for MacT this summer, should be interesting to see what happens. At least we know he will do something unlike Mr.Dithers who basically brought back the same roster with the exception of two rookies in Yakupov and Schultz.

    I finally had time to search for an article from the Edmonton Journal about the Artist (john Weaver) who created the Gretzky statue and it is a great read, I know many of you here will appreciate it.

    http://199.71.40.195/edmontonjournal/news/insight/story.html?id=bc396a9e-9ea0-44f8-b6c5-5aaf8e0a2a5d&p=1

  89. Lowetide says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Gents: I can’t get 2 D in there with Schultz the elder. How about:

    Smid, Ladislav
    Petry, Jeff
    Schultz, Nick
    Schultz, Justin
    Plus 2
    and Fistric, Peckman orPower-Potter-Play eating popcorn.

    Klefbom starts in OKC on a well-run operation.

    Too much money if you’re adding Streit and Hjalmarsson to that group. N Schultz would be third pairing, that’s the guy to deal.

  90. Bag of Pucks says:

    I think one of the biggest challenges that MacT will have is his most valuable trading chips outside the core (i.e. Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky) are either flawed players, have bad contracts, or both.

    You can’t swap players with bad contacts to cap strapped teams unless you’re willing to take back a worse contact (e.g. Tyler Myers) nor can you move the flawed players to move up in the draft when you’re already sitting inside the Top 10.

    With this in mind, I think MacT’s move may look something like this.

    1) Let Whitney, Sutton, Petrell and Jones walk
    2) Draft Monahan or Lindholm
    3) In a deep draft, trade Hemsky + your 2nd rd pick to pick up an additional mid to late first round pick. Draft Lazar.
    4) Compliance buyout Horcoff. Buyout Belanger. Buyout Smyth.
    Free Agency
    5) Sign 3 of either Stalberg, Dupuis, Bickell, MacArthur, Gordon, Nystrom
    6) Sign 2 of either Ference, Drewiske, Clitsome, Rozsival

    Gives you a lineup to start the year like this

    Hall/Gagner/Yakupov
    Stalberg/Monahan/Eberle
    Paajarvi/Lazar/Dupuis
    Nystrom/Lander/Brown

    Smid/Schultz Jr
    Ference/Petry
    Drewiske/Schultz Sr
    Klefbom

    Pump Gagner’s number on the number one line until RNH returns and then deal him at the deadline w/a middling prospect (Tuebert?) for a Top 3 D giving you this:

    Hall/RNH/Eberle
    Stalberg/Monahan/Yakupov
    Paajarvi/Lazar/Dupuis
    Nystrom/Lander/Brown

    Smid/Schultz Jr
    Gagner Return/Petry
    Ference/Schultz Sr
    Drewiske

    With available cap space now, Whitney and Khabi coming off the books, and the ability to buyout Horcoff, Belanger, Smyth and even Hemsky if need be, MacT can remake this team overnight in free agency. Targeting a veteran ‘leader” player with grit like Dupuis is huge IMO.

    Am also in much agreement with posters suggesting offer sheeting players like Tanev or Leddy as another alternative to fast track this.

  91. Lucinius says:

    Couple things;

    1) I don’t see Horcoff getting bought out this summer. Nor do I see the need for it. Don’t get me wrong, I loathe his contract like everyone else. However, if you buy out Horcoff you have to be sure you have someone else who can pick up his work load and do that job.

    The Oilers do not have that person, nor am I overly confident they can find that person. The last person they got who had some possibility of taking that slot was Belanger — a signing that was pretty much hailed as perfect; he had the past evidence of production and ability to shut down opposing lines. That didn’t work out well at all.

    Horcoff’s role on the team is incredibly important; the shit show job. He takes all the tough sledding and dirty jobs to let the more talented, younger players get a bit easier time of things (and he’s one of few Oilers who doesn’t look helpless on a face off — and shows up with work ethic almost every night).

    This is someone you only replace after you have found someone who has shown they can do that job on YOUR team; not somewhere else with different line mates, systems and circumstances.

    I’m all for replacing Horcoff with a cheaper version, but only after we know we’re replacing Horcoff and not Belanger. Keep him around for one more year and bring in someone who can try to take that job away from him.

    2) Do not trade Paajarvi short of it being part of that miracle trade that gets us OEL or something. This is a player that has shown an incredible willingness to do whatever is asked of him, has shown flashes of some offensive upside and sound defensive play and that he can play a complimentary role to players such as Yakupov when he’s on his game — the perfect third line winger who can slide up and down the line up as needed, and fits the age cluster while not getting paid a lot.

    You know, a good depth player. Something the Oilers need more of, not less.

    3) Trading Yakupov is sheer idiocy. Simple as that. The continuing talk of possibly trading him is.. beyond stupid. I don’t care if you can get a #1 D for him. You do not trade players like that; especially from the Oilers who need his effort, his swagger and willingness to try and crunch people. He is Ovechkin-lite at the moment. You do not trade that.

    4) One of Hemsky and Gagner needs to go. I would, personally, prefer it be Gagner and see the Oilers bring in a slightly larger, more defensively capable 2C than see Hemsky go. Drop Hemsky down the third line with Horcoff (or the player who’s trying to steal his job next year while Horcoff plays on the fourth line) and Paajarvi/Harski. After next season you either sign him for less money, or you let him walk.

    Trading Hemsky is almost pointless. He doesn’t have the name recognition to garner enough in return to make it worth-while. Some of that is deserved, and some of it isn’t. Gagner, on the other hand, is younger and has brand awareness. He has shown he can put up numbers and you hope like hell whomever you’re trading him to doesn’t look too closely at his defensive play (atrocious).

    But if you keep both you make damn well sure that you do not play Gagner and Hemsky together; it does not work and I’m tired of coaches trying to make it work; their play-styles do not mesh at all.

    5) Oilers need to bring in at least one real top pairing D-man. Then they need to bring in another D-man who is, at worst, a 3-4 guy. This pushes one of Smid/Petry down and gives the Oilers proper defensive depth instead of having to rely on players like Whitney, Potter, Peckham, Marincin for far too many games next year. You re-sign Fistric as a 6-7 guy and force Klefbom to make the roster on merit.

  92. leadfarmer says:

    What MacT is going to quickly realize is nobody wants the stuff he wants to trade and everyone will want the stuff he does not want to trade. With our pro scouting department we might be entering the Mike Milbury phase of the rebuild.

  93. Mr DeBakey says:

    Too much money if you’re adding Streit and Hjalmarsson

    I don’t do fake lin-ups & imaginary trades much anymore, because unlike the team I cheer for:
    There is no way I keep Klefbom on the big club next year.
    He replaces the elder Schultz a year down the road, after a season in OKC.
    There is no way I get in a bidding war for Streit.

    Nevertheless
    According to the Capgeek Calculator,
    If the Oilers:
    - Sign Hartikainen & Paajarvi for reasonable raises
    - add a $1.2 million Goalie
    - add a couple of depth forwards for $800,000 each [Gomez, Chipchura, Pouliot...]
    - Sign Gagner at $4.6 million
    - Compliance buyout Belanger
    - trade for Hjalmarsson
    - pay Streit what he is making now, $4.1 million
    - keep all the Schultzes, farm out Klefbom
    They are under the Cap by about $750,000

  94. cabbiesmacker says:

    borisnikov:

    PS. Tonight I wouldn’t be sad to see “Duncan Keith lose some teeth”. The guy is an amazing fn dman

    I amended for truth

    :)

  95. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Too much money if you’re adding Streit and Hjalmarsson to that group. N Schultz would be third pairing, that’s the guy to deal.

    That is why it is unlikely the D will be improved in this manner. Two top 4s? I don’t see it happening. I think it far more likely any improvement will be a top 4 and–maybe–a bottom pairing Dman… if in fact they bring in two new Dmen and if in fact Klefbom starts in OKC. Both of which I think are unlikely at best.

    And I think the need on D is over-stated.

    To my eye the biggest issue this season was breakouts and that the breakouts’ issue rested on the forwards not coming back and supporting enough… not with the D not carrying the puck far enough up the ice.The Top 6 forwards were not good enough this year. At least with the top line, we know they will improve with age and better luck… I don’t know what we can say about the second line other than it was horrible and cannot be allowed to continue the way it has.

    The D can and should be improved, but it doesn’t need the fire sale that people wish for it.

  96. spoiler says:

    I feel horrible for Nick Schultz… I mean he’s no prize and has real limitations (as do 80-90% of all players in the NHL), but for Gord’s sake he played both Right and Left D in his own end all year long and gets absolutely no credit for it.

    If his name was Tom Gilbert, people round these parts would be making this excuse for his season, not condemning the rest of his career.

  97. dessert1111 says:

    godot10:
    Lander may actually project more as a winger now than a centre.Both he and Hartikainen need to play with a puck transporter. But if one is playing Lander on the bottom two lines, the quality of puck transporters on the wing tend to be average at best.Lander needs Paajarvi on his wing to play centre.Without Paajarvi, I think Lander then projects as a LW going forward, and one of those depth centres stashed on the wing.

    Curious to why you think Lander projects more as a LW…to me, it seems like his strengths, such as strong 2-way play, lend themselves well to the centre position. I don’t see him being a good fit on wing, and with the centre depth on the Oilers, I don’t think they would take what is essentially their only legitimate prospect centre and transfer him to wing. For that to even be a viable option, they’d have to have a huge influx of centres into the organization, I would think.

  98. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    C: RNH, Horton, Lewis, Boyes
    R: Yakupov, Eberle, Stallberg, Kaleta
    L: Hall, Hornqvist, Paajarvi, Torres
    D: Erhoff-Smid, Streit-J Schultz, N Schultz-Klefbom, Fistric
    G: Dubnyk, Bernier

    UFA: Horton, Boyes, Stallberg, Hornqvist (RFA)
    Trade: Erhoff, Kaleta, Streit, Lewis, Bernier
    Bait: Petry, Hemsky, Gagner, Hartikainen, Horcoff. Jones, Smyth, Brown, Potter, picks, prospects

  99. OilClog says:

    Myers Schultz
    Smid Petry
    Fistric Yandle
    Peckham

    RNH Ebs Hall
    Horc Yak Stafford
    Barkov Hartk Mps
    Lander Brown Raajala
    Smyth

    Dubnyk who knows

  100. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    Gents: I can’t get 2 D in there with Schultz the elder. How about:

    1. Trade N Schultz and spend his money on Streit
    2. Deal for Hjalmarrson or similar vintage.

    Only way I can see it working.

    I assume MacT is likely to do something with the forward grouping that will allow for 2 more legit D and Nick Schultz.

    If Gagner stays, Hemsky likely goes for whatever he brings back, if only a 2nd round pick. 2 legit D is a tough task. If MacT gets one legit D, and gets a guy on the verge like Runblad for Hemsky, for example, that will still be pretty good.

    2 legit D coming in. And Gagner @ $4.5 million is say $11.5 million. Compliance buyout of Belanger gives another $1.75 million in space takes care of Paajarvi.

    Hartikainen $1 million. Backup goaltender $800K.

    It probably means Hemsky is gone, but Hemsky is gone after next season anyways.

  101. BlacqueJacque says:

    spoiler,

    That’s a good point. The other thing I ser Hartikainen lacking is size, given his role. He’s not a small guy, but he’s a small power forward. He’s young and already taking a fair amount of injuries. Two-three inches and 15-20lbs of muscle and bone would bring him closer to the ideal. Of course, even bug Ben Eager suffered injuries so there’s more to it than size.

    Did I just undercut my entire point? Yes… Yes I seem to have.

  102. Ribs says:

    EdmontonOilers
    Coach Krueger confirms #Oilers Hall, Eberle and Dubnyk will play for Team Canada at the 2013 IIHF World Championship

    Something to cheer for, I suppose…

  103. Kris11 says:

    Mr DeBakey,

    Debakey,

    A compliance buyout of Smyth is more likely than Belanger, IMO. Belanger can be bought out regulalr, buried, or traded.

  104. Bag of Pucks says:

    Having stated what I think MacT should do, here’s some of the mistakes I think he’ll make based on past experiences with this Oiler regime.

    1) He either won’t acquire a solid 1B goalie option to push Dubnyk thinking he already has it on the farm OR he’ll massively overpay for a proven tender past his best buy date (e.g. Miller, Luongo, Theodore)

    2) Oilers need a 1D. Klefbom projects as a 1D. Thus Oscar is gifted the roster spot in camp. The predictable struggles, injuries, shattered confidence and trip to OKC ensue. Excuse given will be that no vet D wanted to sign with the Oil as FA. On the bright side, Klefbom voted most popular player by the Octane Girls.

    3) Will package PRV in a trade in the mistaken belief that PRV is too soft, rather than understanding that’s he’s the complimentary skill player that can play with your grit on the 3rd or move up to the 2nd when injuries require. Why some teams can figure this out (see Mason Raymond) and others can’t is beyond me.

    4) Will lose Smithson to FA, buyout Horcoff, resign Gagner and draft an 18 year old center. Will realize 20 games in that this team really sucks at faceoffs.

  105. G Money says:

    spoiler: That is why it is unlikely the D will be improved in this manner.Two top 4s?I don’t see it happening. I think it far more likely any improvement will be a top 4 and–maybe–a bottom pairing Dman… if in fact they bring in two new Dmen and if in fact Klefbom starts in OKC.Both of which I think are unlikely at best.

    And I think the need on D is over-stated.

    To my eye the biggest issue this season was breakouts and that the breakouts’ issue rested on the forwards not coming back and supporting enough… not with the D not carrying the puck far enough up the ice.The Top 6 forwards were not good enough this year. At least with the top line, we know they will improve with age and better luck… I don’t know what we can say about the second line other than it was horrible and cannot be allowed to continue the way it has.

    The D can and should be improved, but it doesn’t need the fire sale that people wish for it.

    I think any improvement on D needs to be made in the following context:

    - Using Corsi On as a measure of the effectiveness of the D
    - EVERY single one of our defenseman this year was WORSE THAN CAM BARKER WAS LAST YEAR

    EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

    If the D this year were even on par with last year for Corsi, I’m guessing the Oilers would be playoff bound.

    Until we figure out why this rather staggering decline happened, one should expect that any good D being brought in from outside will NOT improve team D nearly so much as he will decline in tandem with the rest of the crew.

    Blame age. Blame the forwards. Blame Steve Smith. Blame Krueger’s system.

    Doesn’t matter who you blame – we gotta figure it out before we can fix it.

    (I should add that, when blaming the second line, the same effect on Corsi was seen with e.g. Gagner and Hemsky. Hemsky in particular has a long history of being a plus player against tough opposition. This year he stank, just like the D.)

  106. Doug McLachlan says:

    Lowetide,

    As you posted Seven Nation Army I thought I should alert you to a fine White Stripes-Eurythmics mash-up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT5eJwgAtvY

    Cameron,

    As for the Russian “Jagr” factor, Bob McKenzie has him sitting #4 on his list, apparently, so a lot of scouts may now be of the view that he is a sleeper – which means he won’t last on the board that long.

  107. spoiler says:

    G Money: I think any improvement on D needs to be made in the following context:- Using Corsi On as a measure of the effectiveness of the D- EVERY single one of our defenseman this year was WORSE THAN CAM BARKER WAS LAST YEAREVERY. SINGLE. ONE.If the D this year were even on par with last year for Corsi, I’m guessing the Oilers would be playoff bound.Until we figure out why this rather staggering decline happened, one should expect that any good D being brought in from outside will NOT improve team D nearly so much as he will decline in tandem with the rest of the crew.Blame age. Blame the forwards. Blame Steve Smith. Blame Krueger’s system.Doesn’t matter who you blame – we gotta figure it out before we can fix it.(I should add that, when blaming the second line, the same effect on Corsi was seen with e.g. Gagner and Hemsky. Hemsky in particular has a long history of being a plus player against tough opposition. This year he stank, just like the D.)

    This tells me that obviously something else is up. Either that or we were wrong on Barker, which I doubt.

  108. spoiler says:

    Hall, Doobie and Ebs accept invite to WHC where they will play for Mr. Ruff.

  109. Mr DeBakey says:

    Kris11: Mr DeBakey, Debakey,A compliance buyout of Smyth is more likely than Belanger, IMO. Belanger can be bought out regulalr, buried, or traded.

    Yeah, I can see Smyth, as long as there are no 35+ repercussions.
    I don’t know.

    However, Belanger is a problem:
    On a straight buy-out, he costs $917,000 against the Cap next year.
    If buried, he costs $825,000 against the Cap.
    Traded? Do it!

  110. Woodguy says:

    spoiler,

    If N.Shultz was named Gilbert would he come with his passing ability?

    While I agree that the F (specifically the C) on some lines didn’t make it easy for the D to make the first pass, most Oiler D don’t make a good first pass quickly, which is essential for RK’s system.

    Whitney could, buit can’t defend and is gone.

    Petry can, but seemed befuddled at times.

    Smid can’t.

    J.Shultz can, but was very much a rookie in his own end this year.

    N.Shultz can’t, although he commented after the MIN game that MIN players are always where they are suppposed to be, which makes the first pass easier, whereas Oiler Fs take off too early (was on Oilers Now)

    Fistric can’t.

    Potter was ok, but seemed to take way too much time and the available Fs were 40ft away.

    D upgrade and Fs playing the system both sorely needed.

  111. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Woodguy,

    Well at least I’m not a pompous ass.

    Explain what Hartikinen has done? In detail.

    A whole lot of jack shit.

  112. Bar_Qu says:

    rickithebear: Remeber the Mc79 – Richardcannot write postings a while back a little pissing and go away boy.
    look @ my posts.
    To paraphrase.
    PDO does not regress to mean cause there is not enough data in a year.
    Shooting % is random to individual!
    Fer fuck Sakes!

    rickithebear:
    Good and Bad Goaltending.
    Largely the periferal goalies.
    Dubnyk Is one of them.

    Did I miss it? Is it Haiku day?

    I actually agree with blackdog. 2 D would be more helpful than a bottom 6 re-tool. I even feel the centres minus Belanger would work, if you add a couple of D who are too expensive for their current teams. I really think with all the compliance buy-outs this summer there will be a lot of guys willing to play with Hall & Co. for less than full value.

  113. asiaoil says:

    You send Belanger to OKC or he’s the 14th forward until the inevitable injury occurs and we need a 4th line center. Do people never learn – never enough dmen and centers.

  114. asiaoil says:

    Bar_Qu:
    Did I miss it? Is it Haiku day?

    I actually agree with blackdog. 2 D would be more helpful than a bottom 6 re-tool. I even feel the centres minus Belanger would work, if you add a couple of D who are too expensive for their current teams. I really think with all the compliance buy-outs this summer there will be a lot of guys willing to play with Hall & Co. for less than full value.

    Many want to play with Hall & Co – few want to play for Mr 6 Rings – that’s a problem.

  115. Derek says:

    Pompous:making claim to or creating an appearance of (often undeserved) importance or distinction

    “I’m sorry to be the one who has to keep telling you this but………. I’ve watched enough hockey, player enough hockey, coached enough hockey to tell you flat out that these players, although good NHL players won’t win the games that have to be won when it matters most.

  116. Derek says:

    As to the roster taking shape for next year, I’m positive they’ll trade Gagner for a top 4D, and then draft Barkov or Monahan and slot him into the opening lineup.

    I agree with Godots line of thinking that if defensive personnel are added the team will see substantial improvement. I just don’t see many valuable pieces coming in without moving Gagner to secure those pieces and then we are left with kids learning to play center in the NHL as we have been since the year Gagner was drafted.

    Without the current system of absolutely horrid puck possession how would Gagner and company have fared? RK’s little science experiment this year could possibly convince management that Gagner doesn’t have the defensive chops to warrant paying for his offense.

    Edit to add. If that’s the case a 2 or 3 year stopgap like Weiss would be most welcome, but then you have to deal with the financial problems of paying for him as a UFA pickup, RNH, and Horcoff all at the same time.

  117. Rondo says:

    Streit turns 36 old this year. Why trade for a bandaid solution who knows he may have 1 year left in him.

    I’d rather find a younger Dman that will cost more.

  118. denny33 says:

    slopitch,

    Bogosian is a cornerstone franchise player here in Winnipeg….Not going to get him unless you offer up a cornerstone player from your roster….

    I suspect you might have more luck trying with big Dustin B…

  119. FPB94 says:

    Them never positive franchise D.

  120. Truth says:

    My thoughts and opinions:

    - N. Schultz is not going to be traded. All of the Wild players were blown away a teammate like him would be traded. He was given the “A” this year, and I believe he is viewed as a role model for the young players in how to be a professional athlete. The Oil may have lost that trade talent-wise losing Gilbert, but gained a valuable piece with intangibles off the ice.

    - Hemsky should be shopped in the off-season. He is a nice player, but his skill set is duplicated on this team by more valuable pieces. Should be traded for a big winger or defenseman that can step in right now.

    - Gagner should not be traded (yet). Who is there to replace him?

    - I don’t care what statistics say, Potter is not an NHL defenseman. Flush him somehow.

    - Peckham is gone as he should be. This should have been done at the start of the season after he failed to hold up his end of the deal as a professional athlete. Too bad the Oilers made a fool of themselves by letting him get free room and board all year while ruining their image. Who wants to sign up as a fringe NHL d-man next year in EDM?

    - Omark. Unless they couldn’t even get a 7th round pick out of Det. the Oilers really fudged up their asset management.

    - Whitney, said it before the deadline and will again now, he should have been traded for whatever you could get at the deadline. I believe 2 – second round picks was the going rate. What a brilliant idea to “not send the players the wrong image” there Tambi. Asset management.

    - No chance Belanger is on this team with a free buyout. Eager better pack his bags too.

    - We all in Edmonton should hope for a bad, bad playoffs out of Lucic. He recently rode the pine and further bad play would sour his appearance in beantown. MacT specifically mentioned a “Lucic type” player, why not try for the real thing?

    - Attempt to land Clowe. He’s 30, not 35. Slim chance this ever happens. Will directly replace Hemsky on a line and be more effective for this team. Slim chance.

    - Attempt to land Jagr. He is ancient, but wherever he goes the young players claim they learn a ton from him. This is probably directly contradictory to getting rid of Hemsky, because that’s probably the Oil’s only shot at getting Jagr to Edm. Worth a shot, slim chances though.

    - Attempt to sign Streit for the right price, won’t happen. He’ll get too much for too long.

    - I predict Oil will dangle Hemsky and their pick to move up in the draft to grab Barkov. If they can’t I see them dropping position (to around 10-15) to grab Lazar and hopefully pick up a large body in the trade. This will turn out to be a mistake unless they pull off a home run with the identity of the large body.

    - Smyth sticks around knowing he’s a healthy scratch 1/2 the time rather than retire to collect his pay.

    – Oil will mostly strike out in free agency and will cite “great organizational depth to build from” after making a short run in the playoffs in OKC.

    - Nuge plays his first game in November, Oiler fans are already counting losses to get McDavid.

    Sorry for the large post.

  121. denny33 says:

    borisnikov,

    Bad news for our yearly dive to the bottom – Vancouver reporter said today they are thinking about resting a ton of players for the last game of the year against the Oilers….they have nothing to play for….

  122. Reg Dunlop says:

    Truth,

    I have to agree with much of what you say but counting losses until McDavid? That’s 2 years away, we may all carve out our own eyes watching this shit before then.

  123. fuzzy muppet says:

    denny33,

    No worries. We will just dress Whitney, Potter and Khabibulin

  124. denny33 says:

    spoiler,

    Great point….

    And let’s all be honest – he has been playing with a rookie that has been getting worse and worse in his own end. Justin is going to need some coaching next training camp.

  125. denny33 says:

    G Money,

    spoiler,

    Sounds like the new system was not warmly received by our players…..although, I am sure there are other factors. What else can explain some of the big declines? ( both forwards and D )

  126. Melman says:

    I love the idea of trying to pull Staal out of NY for 2 years until some of our bubbling unders are ready. If not try Hemsky++ for Tyutin (though he has a NMC I believe)

    Staal/Petry
    Smid/Hjalmarsson (or try and get Grebs from the KHL?)
    Klefbom/J.Schultz
    Potter

    Hall/RNH/Ebs
    Yak/Gags/Horton
    Paajarvi/Horcoff/Jones*
    Harti/Lander/Brown

    Smyth as 13F

    *upgrade this is you can keep under the cap

  127. Truth says:

    Reg Dunlop:
    Truth,

    I have to agree with much of what you say but counting losses until McDavid? That’s 2 years away, we may all carve out our own eyes watching this shit before then.

    McDavid is two years away?!! I had always thought he was next year’s draft star. Now that I think of it that makes sense, with the OHL exceptional status and all. Sadly I somehow feel that I will still be correct.

  128. godot10 says:

    Derek:

    Edit to add.If that’s the case a 2 or 3 year stopgap like Weiss would be most welcome, but then you have to deal with the financial problems of paying for him as a UFA pickup, RNH, and Horcoff all at the same time.

    Both Gagner and Weiss are likely to command the same contract 4 x $4.5 million. Weiss is 30. He is declining. He will be impossible to move in two years when he is 32. You’ve just given him the Horcoff/Moreau/Staios contract. In two years Gagner will be 25 and still slowly improving, still likely providing reliable soft minutes offense, and still tradeable.

    Weiss/Clowe are not going to be signing short contracts. They will be wanting to be fully paid long term. These will be Moreau contracts all over again. They are only for contending teams, not for rebuilding teams. One is supposed to learn from past mistakes.

    Value for money folks, like the Oilers used to, when they had no money, like the Islanders are doing now. It isn’t sexy, but its the only way.

    Hjalmarsson and Gunnarsson are still in their mid-twenties.

  129. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:
    spoiler,

    If N.Shultz was named Gilbert would he come with his passing ability?

    While I agree that the F (specifically the C) on some lines didn’t make it easy for the D to make the first pass, most Oiler D don’t make a good first pass quickly, which is essential for RK’s system.

    Whitney could, buit can’t defend and is gone.

    Petry can, but seemed befuddled at times.

    Smid can’t.

    J.Shultz can, but was very much a rookie in his own end this year.

    N.Shultz can’t, although he commented after the MIN game that MIN players are always where they are suppposed to be, which makes the first pass easier, whereas Oiler Fs take off too early (was on Oilers Now)

    Fistric can’t.

    Potter was ok, but seemed to take way too much time and the available Fs were 40ft away.

    D upgrade and Fs playing the system both sorely needed.

    watch the Hawks breakouts tonight. wingers ballpark halfway to the blue, quick little pass to the C moving up the middle. Hossa, Toews and Kane make it look easy. None of the Edmonton Oiler downlow cycle and try to force it up the boards and lose possession bullshit. Like did Tiger Williams come up with that plan?

    I think I’m with you on most of this if you’re not pinning it all on the D which I don’t think you are. The F’s on this team are just as guilty and RK’s system didn’t work very well at all. The 4 – 93, 14 line was better than the others and I think a lot of that was because of Nuge’s awareness…cough… Gagnersux….cough

    You don’t force players into the system. You build the system around the tools at hand. (Translate tools any way you wish) Maybe they just didn’t have enough TC time to implement a very complicated scheme. dunno

  130. pboy says:

    RNH had successful surgery on his shoulder today, as per TSN.

  131. FastOil says:

    leadfarmer:
    What MacT is going to quickly realize is nobody wants the stuff he wants to trade and everyone will want the stuff he does not want to trade.With our pro scouting department we might be entering the Mike Milbury phase of the rebuild.

    It is a unique situation this summer. Hopefully they can get around having no depth with the extra players that will be available.

  132. Doug McLachlan says:

    pboy: RNH had successful surgery on his shoulder today, as per TSN.

    When has surgery ever been referred to as unsuccessful in a press release?

  133. FastOil says:

    Any players they acquire have to fit the medium term cap picture at least. For those liking Grabovski, nothing wrong with him, but he’s on the wrong side of the age curve, is far too expensive for third line and has lots of term left. It doesn’t make sense.

    If the Pens want to move Jokinen that makes more sense as a 2-3 year stop gap. Horcoff is 35 this year and there will be a few years before Lander or Barkov can play that role.

  134. Jordan says:

    cabbiesmacker:

    You don’t force players into the system. You build the system around the tools at hand. (Translate tools any way you wish) Maybe they just didn’t have enough TC time to implement a very complicated scheme. dunno

    I hear ya Cabbie. And I couldn’t agree with you more:

    The Oilers have a lot of Tools on this team. So many Tools the coach doesn’t know what to do with them all. It would be great if they were useful Tools, but most of them seem to be the expensive tools that don’t get much done. Or they break a lot.

    What this team needs is a Japanese steelsmith. Then they’d get some well made durable tools with purpose. Follow that up with a couple of dutch farmers who know how to get the most out of those new tools… and BAMN! Beautiful garden. I mean… Stanley…

    er… this analogy fell apart somewhere.

    Still going to post it.

  135. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: spoiler,

    If N.Shultz was named Gilbert would he come with his passing ability?

    That looks pretty strawman-ny to me. Don’t know what this has to do with covering PFC Schultz’s ass in his own zone.

    While I agree that the F (specifically the C) on some lines didn’t make it easy for the D to make the first pass, most Oiler D don’t make a good first pass quickly, which is essential for RK’s system.

    Whitney could, buit can’t defend and is gone.

    Petry can, but seemed befuddled at times.

    Smid can’t.

    J.Shultz can, but was very much a rookie in his own end this year.

    N.Shultz can’t, although he commented after the MIN game that MIN players are always where they are suppposed to be, which makes the first pass easier, whereas Oiler Fs take off too early (was on Oilers Now)

    Fistric can’t.

    Potter was ok, but seemed to take way too much time and the available Fs were 40ft away.D upgrade and Fs playing the system both sorely needed.

    Smid and N. Schultz have both proven themselves adequate over the years at making a regular outlet pass up to the forwards. This ability did not magically disappear this year. I doubt either though has ever had the ability to make the 80-100 foot outlet pass.

    And what neither can do well is skate themselves out of trouble. Which is essential to retaining possession when the outlet pass isn’t there.

    I’m not saying there aren’t better defensemen out there, there are. But I am saying the criticism of the D this year is overblown.

    I think Schultz has been a real Sergeant out there covering the PFC’s butt, and I think he deserves some credit for it. Not an easy job, and not one I’m sure Gilbert would have done well at either.

    Whitney is the big unknown. Players often take more than a year to recover from injury… so it is still hard to say what the Oil have there. And even then, players can adjust to their new limits, but doing so takes time. Whether or not the Oil want to give him that time, especially at the pay he has been commanding remains to be seen. I certainly wouldn’t RELY on him to overcome his obstacles, and I hope the org doesn’t, but I also wouldn’t say that it is impossible for him to do so.

    Barker is still in this league, and if we want to talk about pivot issues and lateral movement…

  136. Traktor says:

    - have limited cap space
    - have a 30 point center making 5.5 cap
    - have free buyout period
    - doesn’t buy out said player

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  137. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    My idea for the 2nd D is to hit up Europe and hope. There is another Jan Hejda (or even a Mark Streit!) over there somewhere. Maybe it’s Grebs, maybe it’s Kevin Dallman, maybe it’s a name we don’t yet know, but history shows there are always NHL-worthy players outside the league just waiting for a shot. We have to find them.

    We might accidentally sign the wrong guy and have to bury the contract, but we have to try. As you point out, it would be very difficult to acquire 2 guys by conventional means (and at conventional salaries), so if we want a 2nd top-4 Dman (and I think we do) we need to find him on the cheap. I think Europe is the place to look.

    That’s the second guy. For the first guy I agree with everything Woodguy says. We should all be rooting for the Rangers and Leafs to crash, burn, and feel the need to change something.

  138. BlacqueJacque says:

    spoiler:
    Hall, Doobie and Ebs accept invite to WHC where they will play for Mr. Ruff.

    I wonder if that experience will affect their attitudes towards Krueger next year. Almost certainly not, but exposure to a different coach could be like going to a different job site to help out for a few weeks and realizing you’re unhappy with your current site/office.

  139. Woodguy says:

    spoiler,

    Re; strawman

    You said:

    If his name was Tom Gilbert, people round these parts would be making this excuse for his season, not condemning the rest of his career.

    Glass houses, rocks etc.

    Also,

    I agree that the F’s carry lots of the blame.

    4-93-14 overcame the D deficincies to outshoot the best in the NHL.

    I’m not sure that didn’t set the bar too high for the rest of the team though.

    Not every line can be 4-93-14, more specifically, not ever player is 4.

    What I can’t compute is that 89-83 have put up 48% SA (shot attempts) pretty regularly and both fall off a cliff the same year?

    The Oilers start out with a SAT (shot attempt through aka fenclose) of near 50% for the first 10 games or so, then put up 42% since?

    I can see players having on off year, but a whole team save 1 line?

    Their problems are deeper than personnel.

    The D thought, are not good. Just because we see 2-5 play top opp doesn’t mean they should actually be doing it.

    But again, the confounding thing is that they actually had better possession number last year, playing tough comp.

    RK got much less out of this roster than Renney did.

    I don’t quite get it.

    Would love to talk to 4-93-89-83-2-5-15-19 off the record about this with lots of whisky or truth serum (same thing)

  140. Woodguy says:

    Traktor:
    - have limited cap space
    - have a 30 point center making 5.5 cap
    - have free buyout period
    - doesn’t buy out said player

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    -Oilers cap space next year is huge

    -You mean the C that when in the line up helps the Oilers actually have +.500 pts%?

    -Buy out period is this summer and next summer

    -Many, included myself who is a big 10 fan think it might be wise to move him summer of 14, if you can’t buy him out if better options are available

    You make stuff up

    ….Or don’t pay attention

  141. godot10 says:

    stevezie:
    Lowetide,

    We might accidentally sign the wrong guy and have to bury the contract, but we have to try. As you point out, it would be very difficult to acquire 2 guys by conventional means (and at conventional salaries), so if we want a 2nd top-4 Dman (and I think we do) we need to find him on the cheap. I think Europe is the place to look.

    You cannot bury contracts any more with the new CBA. Only 900K of the contract can be buried.

  142. Woodguy says:

    cabbiesmacker: watch the Hawks breakouts tonight. wingers ballpark halfway to the blue, quick little pass to the C moving up the middle. Hossa, Toews and Kane make it look easy. None of the Edmonton Oiler downlow cycle and try to force it up the boards and lose possession bullshit. Like did Tiger Williams come up with that plan?

    I think I’m with you on most of this if you’re not pinning it all on the D which I don’t think you are. The F’s on this team are just as guilty and RK’s system didn’t work very well at all. The 4 – 93, 14 line was better than the others and I think a lot of that was because of Nuge’s awareness…cough… Gagnersux….cough

    You don’t force players into the system. You build the system around the tools at hand. (Translate tools any way you wish) Maybe they just didn’t have enough TC time to implement a very complicated scheme. dunno

    That would be cool to track.

    I have a dinner right at puck drop, so I won’t be watching the game.

    Can you track that and the Oilers too for this game?

    I think “# of passes before exiting the zone with possession” would be good.

    Also the number of dump outs without possession to balance the info.

    Would be really interesting to see.

  143. Woodguy says:

    BlacqueJacque: I wonder if that experience will affect their attitudes towards Krueger next year.Almost certainly not, but exposure to a different coach could be like going to a different job site to help out for a few weeks and realizing you’re unhappy with your current site/office.

    They are all on their 3rd NHL coach in 3 years.

  144. BlacqueJacque says:

    Woodguy,

    Didn’t hall have renney the whole time?

  145. stevezie says:

    godot10,

    Burried was poor diction. Small, short contracts and be traded, bought out, or partially buried (900k would be plenty for what I’m talking about).

    I am assuming most players in Europe would be willing to take a shot at the NHL for less than 2 million. If someone wants to be paid extra to desert mother Russia we just move on to the next candidate.

    If we wind up with another Corey Potter, well, that’s really not such a bad thing. We had four of them this year, dropping down to two would be a step up. I think the risk is woth the potential reward, as long as your scouts can find a solid candidate,

  146. Lowetide says:

    stevezie:
    Lowetide,

    My idea for the 2nd D is to hit up Europe and hope. There is another Jan Hejda (or even a Mark Streit!) over there somewhere. Maybe it’s Grebs, maybe it’s Kevin Dallman, maybe it’s a name we don’t yet know, but history shows there are always NHL-worthy players outside the league just waiting for a shot. We have to find them.

    We might accidentally sign the wrong guy and have to bury the contract, but we have to try. As you point out, it would be very difficult to acquire 2 guys by conventional means (and at conventional salaries), so if we want a 2nd top-4 Dman (and I think we do) we need to find him on the cheap. I think Europe is the place to look.

    That’s the second guy. For the first guy I agree with everything Woodguy says. We should all be rooting for the Rangers and Leafs to crash, burn, and feel the need to change something.

    That’s the way they used to do it, before they had money. If I could go back to 2005 and say be careful what you wish for, I would!

  147. cabbiesmacker says:

    BlacqueJacque: but exposure to a different coach could be like going to a different job site to help out for a few weeks and realizing you’re unhappy with your current site/office.

    Or hammering on a dream piece for a few hours one night then heading home to your spouse?

    Not that I’d know a damn thing about that of course. Just sayin

  148. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide: That’s the way they used to do it, before they had money. If I could go back to 2005 and say be careful what you wish for, I would!

    So what’s changed within the Oilers pro scouting staff? Or is it just too long doing the same thing for some of them?

    Is Nilsson still involved across the pond?

  149. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy: That would be cool to track.

    I have a dinner right at puck drop, so I won’t be watching the game.

    Can you track that and the Oilers too for this game?

    I think “# of passes before exiting the zone with possession” would be good.

    Also the number of dump outs without possession to balance the info.

    Would be really interesting to see.

    Don’t want much do ya? Now if I was a younger, single guy from Newfoundland…….

    I’m getting to the age where I wish somebody would invent a PVR for the radio.

    I miss so much more than I used to in 24 hours these days that a means of rewinding for clarity would be a godsend. Pretty soon I’ll be mowing my lawn in Bermuda shorts, dress shoes, and knee high black socks. Or pulling my pants up to my armpits.

    I can’t fn wait.

    Anyways I’ll give it a go. Pass counts? We’ll see how that works out. I get distracted by birds flying past my balcony.

    I just want the Oilers to go back to the Staios method of settling things down in the D zone.

    1) slam puck off two teammates asses in attempts to clear

    2) drift back behind the net handling puck like a grenade

    3) take Richter measureable hit from forechecker

    4) do best chicken freshly minus head imitation – flail a tad

    5) fall on puck and force an own zone faceoff

    Whats so hard to figure out about that ffs

  150. speeds says:

    Woodguy: -Oilers cap space next year is huge

    -You mean the C that when in the line up helps the Oilers actually have +.500 pts%?

    -Buy out period is this summer and next summer

    -Many, included myself who is a big 10 fan think it might be wise to move him summer of 14, if you can’t buy him out if better options are available

    You make stuff up

    ….Or don’t pay attention

    EDM doesn’t have THAT much cap space next year, if the Oilers could find a Horcoff replacement for 2 mil cheaper this summer I don’t think it’s crazy to at least consider Horcoff buyout this summer. It doens’t mean you have to do it, but it’s not crazy to look at it.

    The timing is probably going to be a bit funny, and would probably require filling that hole via trade before UFA, or trading for a player’s right before UFA and getting him signed before the compliance buyout window closes, if you were willing to buyout Horcoff. As you note, it unlikely that it would be a great idea to buy out Horcoff only to be unable to sign someone to fill his lineup spot.

  151. Woodguy says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Woodguy,

    Didn’t hall have renney the whole time?

    You’re right.

    Renney 2 years, RK 1.

    Thought they had OTC, but he coached the cap max 30th place Oilers who grabbed Hall.

  152. FastOil says:

    G: Dubnyk, Khudobin
    D: Smid-Petry; Hjalmarsson-J Schultz; N Schultz-Klefbom; Potter
    C: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
    L: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Smyth
    R: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Hartikainen, Brown

    I have this roster (which looks like a good step forward) costing 69.625 M. This includes Gagner at 5 M, current salaries for role players, a modest guess at Stalberg and Harti, and not re-upping RNH.

    Maybe I am missing something but I don’t think the Oilers have a lot of cap if you want good players throughout. Basically Horcoff, N Schultz and Hemsky are far too expensive for their current roles.

    Hemsky would get them close if they shave Gagner .5 M, but they’d be right at the cap. Hemsky could go for an established top end 3 LW (which should mitigate his value issue everyone sees), and they should try to move N Schultz and sign Hannan or the like.

    Horcoff has to stay given RNH will be out/behind until the New Year sometime if all goes well.

  153. boopronger says:

    Hemsky and our first rounder this year for weber.

  154. Mr DeBakey says:

    I have this roster (which looks like a good step forward) costing 69.625 M.

    $66,950,000 with $8.9 in bonuses

    With Gordon, Khudobin & Stalberg all in the $1.5 range
    Gagner at $4.5
    Buyout Belanger

    Just under $2.2 to spare

  155. Captain Happy says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    I have this roster (which looks like a good step forward) costing 69.625 M.

    $66,950,000 with $8.9 in bonuses

    With Gordon, Khudobin & Stalberg all in the $1.5 range
    Gagner at $4.5
    Buyout Belanger

    Just under $2.2 to spare

    What makes anyone think the Blackhawks, with $6M in cap space next season would give up Stalberg?

    They can use compliance buyouts on Olesz and Montador and have another $6M in cap space to play with.

  156. Mr DeBakey says:

    To clarify, hopefully, what I typed above

    G: Dubnyk, Khudobin
    D: Smid-Petry; Hjalmarsson-J Schultz; N Schultz-Klefbom; Potter
    C: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
    L: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Smyth
    R: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Hartikainen, Brown

    with
    With Gordon, Khudobin & Stalberg all in the $1.5 range
    Gagner at $4.5
    Buyout Belanger

    leaves the Oilers with $2.2 in cap space

    Roster Size 23
    Salary Cap $64,300,000
    Salary Cap Payroll $66,949,042
    Bonuses $8,900,000
    Salary Cap Space $2,173,458

  157. cabbiesmacker says:

    boopronger:
    Hemsky and our first rounder this year for weber.

    Ryan Jones, our second this year, and a third in 2014 for Ovechkin.

  158. jb says:

    If the goals truly to turn this into a perennial contender your thinking way to small with Hjalmarsson I think LT. We need someone to push everyone down the depth chart, and add one more veteran imo. Then break in Klefbom (hopefully only rookie) as a 6-7 next year.

    The D has to be the main focus, while trimming the fat up front and finding a backup/1b goalie.

  159. rich says:

    cabbiesmacker: Ryan Jones, our second this year, and a third in 2014for Ovechkin.

    You guys keep under-estimating our assets. Everyone wanted Hemsky at the trade deadline, but the real gem is Belanger. Do him + our 2nd in 2013 and 2014 for Crosby.

  160. boopronger says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    hey come on its not that bad. The oilers first rounder this year will have a ton of value. Maybe you think hemsky is worthless, but maybe he has value.

    Point is, oilers should be doing whatever they can to get a #1 dman. It is such a glaring need on this team.

  161. Maggie the Monkey says:

    cabbiesmacker: Ryan Jones, our second this year, and a third in 2014for Ovechkin.

    With his cap hit? You’re crazy.

  162. RickDeckard says:

    Bolts are winning by 2 with 6 minutes left. 4th overall is very possible

  163. cabbiesmacker says:

    rich: You guys keep under-estimating our assets.Everyone wanted Hemsky at the trade deadline, but the real gem is Belanger.Do him + our 2nd in 2013 and 2014 for Crosby.

    I’m calling you on that one buster. You’re gonna have to top it up a little.

  164. cabbiesmacker says:

    Maggie the Monkey: With his cap hit?You’re crazy.

    Buy out Hall and we’re ok

  165. Ribs says:

    Didn’t someone say that Nashville has to pay Weber $40M regardless if they trade him or not? You’d think heads would have to roll for them to pay that dough and then move him. Guy after Weber on my list is Hedman, and I can’t see Yzerman moving him. I’m not sure I’d move too much for anyone else that’s playing currently. Backup plan – Find capable players. The more the better.

  166. cabbiesmacker says:

    boopronger:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Point is, oilers should be doing whatever they can to get a #1 dman. It is such a glaring need on this team.

    I hear ya man BUT, rule #1 when posting potential trade scenarios states that, fans overestimate their teams players worth 100% of the time

    BTW…why are you booing the best Dman that’s ever played for the Edmonton Oilers. KInda unfair I think.

  167. rich says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Ok, ok. Lander + our 2nds for Crosby.

    You gotta give to get.

  168. godot10 says:

    Ribs:
    Didn’t someone say that Nashville has to pay Weber $40M regardless if they trade him or not? You’d think heads would have to roll for them to pay that dough and then move him. Guy after Weber on my list is Hedman, and I can’t see Yzerman moving him. I’m not sure I’d move too much for anyone else that’s playing currently. Backup plan – Find capable players. The more the better.

    $27 million for 48 games. The worst of the contract for Nashville is already over. For a non-cap team needing to reach the floor, Weber is a relative bargain going forward.

  169. boopronger says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Cuz he hurt my soul

  170. Minister D- says:

    Just before puckdrop Stauffer mentioned that the Oilers “might” be looking at a goalie in Europe (or European goalie, didn’t quite catch which) that used to be with the Blackhawks organization but hasn’t played in the NHL yet. Anyone have a clue who he’s referring to? Where there’s smoke with Stauffer, there’s usually a two sticks rubbing together somewhere…

  171. Ryan says:

    cabbiesmacker: Ryan

    $5m for Gagner vs. $5.5 for Tavares. :) Yeah, I hear ya. That would be just brutal.

  172. Lucinius says:

    Yak!

    Track meet.

  173. spoiler says:

    Yak with the Colt 45.

  174. VanOil says:

    Gord Millar “Oilers pouring on the shots early in this game”

    Me WTF I better pay attention.

    I look up focus and see the Chicago Goal.

    Before I could type this Yak, well be’s Yak

    It will be a fun night. Win or LOSE

  175. Lucinius says:

    Wow. Oilers have had.. 4-5 five alarm chances already.

    Chicago needs to remember the Oilers are a team you can’t play fire wagon hockey with. Play responsibly and you crush us.. play fire wagon hockey and the Oilers look like one of the best teams in the league.

  176. VanOil says:

    Doug McLachlan:

    As you posted Seven Nation Army I thought I should alert you to a fine White Stripes-Eurythmics mash-up:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT5eJwgAtvY

    This has made my day so far but a Yak Trick could top it.

  177. Lucinius says:

    Also, Oilers; I want my Smid hat trick already. Salvage the enjoyment of the season! No season is a failure if Smid gets a hat trick.

  178. Lucinius says:

    Ugly on that second goal against by a number of players…

  179. Traktor says:

    I can’t believe we passed on Sadd for Musil.

  180. Lucinius says:

    In good news; Oil Kings winning 5-1 after the first period tonight in trying to tie up the series against the Hitmen at 2 games apiece after getting smoked last night.

  181. FastOil says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    I have this roster (which looks like a good step forward) costing 69.625 M.

    $66,950,000 with $8.9 in bonuses

    With Gordon, Khudobin & Stalberg all in the $1.5 range
    Gagner at $4.5
    Buyout Belanger

    Just under $2.2 to spare

    Thanks. Do you think Stalberg will sign that low? He’s had a pretty good year and is a solid player.

    If I was MacT I would want some cap and contract room to make those aggressive deals. I think it’s a lot harder close to the cap and at 50.

  182. Lucinius says:

    Ugh. Our powerplay without RNH or Hemsky is so bad at setting up.

    And they can’t set up a Yak one timer for the life of them; passes are always into his feet from Gagner or J. Schultz.

  183. Lucinius says:

    Wow. What a defensive play by Yakupov. Wow.

  184. fuzzy muppet says:

    If they trade Yak, I am done. he may be the best of the kids in 3 years

  185. Lucinius says:

    Our D, other than J. Schultz, need to learn how to hit the net on their shots.

  186. Lowetide says:

    The goal was splendid, but that defensive play by Yak City shouldn’t be forgotten.

  187. Smarmy says:

    If that’s Yak’s pride and professionalism when the season is done just imagine what he’ll do when Six Rings decides to start winning.

  188. spoiler says:

    WG said….

    Re; strawman

    You said:

    If his name was Tom Gilbert, people round these parts would be making this excuse for his season, not condemning the rest of his career.

    Glass houses, rocks etc.

    You do realize that when you completely redact my first paragraph and thus destroy all context, that you are only making my strawman point for me, right?

    And you do realize that my original comment is aimed directly at a comparison on this very blog?

  189. fuzzy muppet says:

    Wow, line 1 has been terrible.

  190. Lucinius says:

    Our D, especially second and third pairing, looking horrific against the Hawks.

    Also, Hawks showing the Oilers what good stick work, both defensively and offensively, looks like.

  191. VanOil says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    If they trade Yak, Iam done.he may be the best of the kids in 3 years

    For the last few weeks I have been wondering what it would take for me to give up on this team. Trading Yak might just do it. He is so exciting to watch any where on the rink.

  192. RickDeckard says:

    spoiler,

    Gilbert carried Peckham into a decent player. PECKHAM.

  193. Smarmy says:

    RickDeckard:
    spoiler,

    Gilbert carried Peckham into a decent player. PECKHAM.

    Except Peckham owns.

  194. Derek says:

    Smarmy: Except Peckham owns alot of stretchy pants.

    Fixed.

  195. cabbiesmacker says:

    Minister D-:
    Just before puckdrop Stauffer mentioned that the Oilers “might” be looking at a goalie in Europe (or European goalie, didn’t quite catch which) that used to be with the Blackhawks organization but hasn’t played in the NHL yet. Anyone have a clue who he’s referring to? Where there’s smoke with Stauffer, there’s usually a two sticks rubbing together somewhere…

    Alex Salak ??

  196. spoiler says:

    Not to mention Schultz the Younger is just a bit more of a riverboat gambler.

  197. Lucinius says:

    Really, Krueger? Really?

    You start the period with our FOURTH line against their FIRST?

    Seriously?

  198. Genjutsu says:

    Lucinius,

    If Colorado wins out and Tampa and Nashville get a point we pick 2nd!!! Now you know.

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