CLEANING WINDOWS

Craig MacTavish has a lot of good things on the roster he inherits from Steve Tambellini. Like him or not, ST’s ability to win the lottery came in pretty damn handy. The draft–especially this summer–remains important, but increasingly the club is going to need NHL players in a quick hurry. That’s the tough part: adding without ripping apart the good things on this roster.

I believe they have the right man, but actions speak louder than words. The words by the way, border on perfect:

  • MacT:  “The most valuable thing a manager can do is bring good players through the door of the dressing room. You have to tap into all your resources, but the bottom line is getting good quality people and players to walk through that door.”

daft

 

Craig MacTavish is a pretty smart guy, and one suspects the club will look to improve in the following areas without sending away any of the kids central to the cluster:

  1. 20+ minutes defenseman who can play big minutes on at least one of the special teams
  2. find a way (either by trading up or staying in place) to add another “impact” draft prospect with a nice range of skills..
  3. an established two-way winger for the second or third line by trade, free agency or picking up a “compliance buyout” type contract on the cheap
  4. a reasonable backup goaltending option
  5. a center for depth

The foundation is this:

  • Goal: Dubnyk
  • Defense: Smid-Petry, -J Schultz
  • Center: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff
  • Left Wing: Hall, Paajarvi, Hartikainen
  • Right Wing: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky

Let’s say the Oilers add (from each category above):

  1. Mark Streit
  2. Sean Monahan
  3. From Horton to Stalberg to Torres, there’s a pretty long list. I’ll pick Stalberg for our purposes.
  4. I’ll pick Khudobin out of Boston.
  5. Let’s pick Boyd Gordon. :-)

NEW ROSTER

  • Goal: Dubnyk, Khudobin
  • Defense: Smid-Petry, Streit-J Schultz, N Schultz-Klefbom, Potter
  • Center: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
  • Left Wing: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Hartikainen, Smyth
  • Right Wing: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Brown

It isn’t perfect, there’s still plenty of work to do and still not enough depth to keep Klefbom on the farm. However, there’s improvement in goal, on defense, at center and on left wing.

And the depth is strong enough everywhere but defense–with that position at least having the advantage of a season’s experience for Schultz the younger.

What say you? Enough? Not enough?

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  1. kosiork says:

    It sure looks a lot better, to say the least. I think the leadership mix will factor heavily in any success (or lack thereof) for the Oilers next year. As noted on this blog, if Hall can put the team on his back and will them to victory (and if the new guys buy into that), I suspect we will once again play meaningful games in April.

    The backup option might be the most important. I would think having someone looking over his shoulder might sharpen Dubnyk’s skills and allow him to take the next step. Not blaming things on him, just noting that a slightly improved Dubnyk would help things.

  2. Smarmy says:

    If this was last summer I’d have liked those sorts of moves just fine, but I’m older and pissier and I want more. I want a team that will run with Minney and Vancouver at the start and pass them towards the end.

  3. HugThePost says:

    LT,

    I think the D needs some more aggression. Has Peckham done such bad things that his fate sealed with the team at this point? Seems like they have buried him so far into oblivion he has no trade value. I’d like to see at least 1 perhaps 2 guys on the Blue who are a bit nastier than the names you list.

    You don’t have Fistric on your list, but I think he would be worth keeping around. He’s not your top defender by any stretch, but he is good at what he does.

  4. Bar_Qu says:

    I know most don’t appreciate Fistric, but I think his qualities were obscured by the struggles with RKs system. A reliable stay home guy, who hits hard without taking penalites falls into the Sutton mold of D, and that is never unhelpful to the bottom of the D pairings. And he at least gives the depth to prevent Klefbom from spending all his time on the roster, and with injuries (hopefully not to him) playing in the top 4.

  5. Jordan says:

    Lowetide Said:
    What say you? Enough? Not enough?

    Klefbom’s not going to go to the farm next year, so that’s a non-started. Staples was really clear in his article a couple days ago – the Oilers think he’s first pairing material, and will start with Justin in the fall. They think he’s going to have a rookie year like Brodin did in Minny.

    Biggest criticism of that lineup is it still doesn’t bring the every-needed balance to the top 9, and as you rightly point out, doesn’t add real depth to the back end.

    I find it almost laughable that you call it a new roster. Names are different, but the problems are the same. The bottom 3 get a little better, and the 3rd pairing improve, but it’s still the same god damned lineup.

    If puck possession and retrieval are issues now in the top 9, either players need to learn how to do this effectively, or you need to change the players out so you get some who can.

    So… my question back at you is simple: do you think these issues can be resolved with the current players in the Oilers lineup? Or do you have to look outside the organization to fix them?

    That’s the only way to answer if your moves are enough. And from where I’m sitting… the answer’s clearer than a rocky mountain lake.

  6. Hammers says:

    Not enough LT .. This team needs a character transplant and one way to get that is by trading a good player . Sends a huge message . I expect Hemsky will go next trade deadline and Gags at the draft or early July . They are called tough decisions for a reason .

  7. mrzael says:

    I think anyone is in play for the right guy but realistically Hall, Nuge, Yak and Justin Schultz won’t be going anywhere. I would do Eberle for Martin Hanzal though. The coyotes need scoring and “Hanzal, he’s hot!” Great way to start the day with Cleaning Windows.

  8. Hammers says:

    Actually I left of N Schultz . Paired with Gags we may get a top 2-3 “D”

  9. rich says:

    I think it would be an enormous mistake to start Klefbom in the NHL next fall. Cup of coffee, perhaps by late in the season. But give the kid a chance to adjust to the smaller ice in a league where the pressure to succeed is not. As you like to say LT, d-men “develop by sundial”. Other than 11 games this fall (where he was showing good), the kid has not played in a year. No need to rush him.

    Also happen to agree with Bar Qu – Fistric might not be a bad person to have as a 6/7 d-man. But filling out the rest of the D has to be a priority.

    One other thing – I think MacT being in the GM chair settles the Khabi issue once and for all. This was Tambi’s (KLowe?) biggest disaster and one that the org would never own up to. I don’t care if he’s a good sounding board for DD or not, I just don’t see any way he’s back next year on a short term deal because he can’t stay healthy.

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Surprised LT is excited about the big drop tomorrow.

    Anyone want to “get lucky”… leaked:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/daft-punk-get-lucky-leaked-full-song-pharrell-williams_n_3102455.html

    happy day! Enjoy your Summer Jam a little early.

  11. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Is it an issue that Stalberg plays RW?

    [EDIT] scratch that… some places have him as RW some as LW, but I see he shoots L so I’m guessing LW.

  12. mumbai max says:

    Not enough! As we’ll as the D you describe add a stud #1. Weber or bust. If it takes Eberle and or the first round pick I do it! We NEED Pronger, err, I mean Weber!

  13. jbfuzz says:

    The trade market will likely be how some of this is resolved. Here is my greatest fear: some combination of Hemsky + N. Schulz for Umberger + Johnson with some picks thrown in. I’d rather not see the Oilers lose cap flexibility moving forward, but this is the kind of ‘risk’ I could see.

  14. Chris Hext---formerly EasyOil--- says:

    What would it take to get Alexei Emelin out of Montreal? Big, seems to be playing relatively tough minutes, not without skill. No idea if he’s any good in reality, but he looks capable of playing bottom pairing minutes at minimum, and at a greater level than either Potter or Peckham, and could even push for a top 4 spot, pushing the likes of Schultz Jr and Klefbom down a spot.

    I’ve also still got my eyes on Sekera out of Buffalo, though his CorsiRel is pretty poor so far this year. Tyutin is an obvious target. I doubt Nashville lets Roman Josi go but I’d enquire about him.

  15. Chris Hext---formerly EasyOil--- says:

    jbfuzz,

    I would really hope that MacTavish is intelligent enough to know that Johnson is a horrible NHLer. I hope he is anyway. He has to be. Please.

  16. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Chris Hext—formerly EasyOil—: What would it take to get Alexei Emelin out of Montreal?

    Isn’t FFPB our “man in Montreal”?

    He’ll have to weigh in here.

  17. leadfarmer says:

    Stalberg would be a very nice addition. I am thinking both 89 and 83 are gone. Wouldnt surprise me if they trade 89 for Stafford or something of the sort. They will probably start the season with 2 or 3 rookies in the lineup and wonder why things went wrong.

  18. jbfuzz says:

    Chris Hext—formerly EasyOil—,

    I think that scenario plays out more readily under Tambellini, but there need at D will likely lead to the biggest risk taking. I think in my rare post here I’ve compared JJohnson to a 5-tool MLB player that has really poor underlying numbers – he ‘looks’ like he should be a really good player, but there is a disconnect from that perception to the actual performance. We’ll find out what the team does in a few months I guess.

  19. Mr DeBakey says:

    Klefbom’s not going to go to the farm next year, so that’s a non-started.

    In my opinion, if Klefbom starts the year here instaed of OKC, the dummphux are still in charge.

    I think they need to add 2 defenseman, Streit is the scondary, depth one. Or, Stauffer was just passing gas, but his crazy Grebeshkov idea is interesting.

    But they’d still need another who is better.

    If Klefbom rolls over the AHL and looks good in an injury call-up, move Schultz the Elder in February.

    That Forward group is much improved.

  20. oilabroad says:

    I would be shocked if that was the line up next fall… absolutely nothing BOLD about this at all. I would bet my last dollar, one of gagner or hemsky is traded for grit. In fact, if one of them is not gone, we are going to having this same conversation next year at this time.

  21. Matt.N says:

    I am afraid that “BOLD MOVES” equate to trading one of the #1s or Eberle. While I am not opposed to any move if it makes sense, I think that there are many depth moves and mid level players that are available without giving up the goods. Lucic scares the crap out of me. I can see him being the whale that will cost Yak city.

    I do beleive that Sammys trade value has never been higher. It might be a nice time to try to move him for some help.

  22. Hammers says:

    Will Krueger split up RNH ,Hall and Ebbs next year . I could see Yak , Hall & ?/ on 1 line and RNH , Ebs & ?/ on the other with a 3rd of Horc , Hemsky ??. Run Lander , Hartski & Magnus together . Fill in the blanks McT .

  23. Esa10 says:

    ***** Cracks Knuckles*****
    “let’s do this”

    1. Sign David Clarkson RW

    2. Sign Eric Fehr RW

    3. Sign Boyd Gordon C

    4. Sign Brian Bickell

    5. Sign veteran D-man

    6. Trade Gagner,Hemsky, 2nd rders for a center and a D-man (Grabo and Gardiner) Thx Woodguy

    7. Draft BPA

    8. Call up Yann Danis, He’s paid his dues

    Goalie: Dubnyk, Danis

    D: Smid-Petry, Schultz-Scultz , Gardiner -Vet Dman, Klefbom

    Center: Nuge, Grabo, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander

    LW: Hall, PRV, Harti, Bickell, Smyth

    RW: Eberle, Yak, Clarkson, Fehr, Brown

  24. Mr DeBakey says:

    I would bet my last dollar, one of gagner or hemsky is traded for grit.

    Grit & skill.
    Because, despite what you might hear everyday on the radio, grit alone means more lottery picks.

  25. jooks says:

    LT, if you’re posting pictures of Daft Punk you are cooler than you think :)

  26. flyfish1168 says:

    I understand the need for a good puck moving dman, but is Mark Streit going to be good at age 37 next year and only 5’11 at 190 pounds?

    All season we have been saying Smyth is to slow and old. Maybe resigning Whitney isn’t so bad of an idea if his contract is full of incentives and bonuses.

  27. Obiwan Eberle says:

    Goal: Dubnyk, Khudobin
    Defense: Smid-Petry, Streit-J Schultz, N Schultz-Klefbom, Potter
    Center: Nuge, Gagner, Horcoff, Gordon, Lander
    Left Wing: Hall, Paajarvi, Stalberg, Hartikainen, Smyth
    Right Wing: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Brown

    That is not a playoff roster….on a team devoid of energy and grit, the third line needs something more (less Hemmer). I’d like Clarkson instead of Hemsky, probably not at the salary he’s gonna get though. And as much as I’ve always liked Gags….we need a >50% faceoff man on the top two lines and Nuge could suck forever…he stays.

    Gags out, Hemmer out … Berglund (while i’m still dreamin) in, cheaper Clarkson in.

  28. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Last summer I was hoping Oilers would pick up some sort of experienced but pricey d-man on a contract dump, such as Zbynek Michalek or Paul Martin. Michalek went at the draft for pretty cheap, while Martin never did have to be moved when the changes to the cap didn’t take effect until next year.

    That said, when that drop in cap kicks in in 2013-14, there are going to be clearance sales. Taking on a guy with a couple years to run, even at an overpay, might be preferable to hitting the “traditional” UFA market for scraps at what all 100% for sure be overpays.

    Of course, there will be a new sub-category to the UFA market from compliance buyouts. That is another new wrinkle that may prove to be exceptionally interesting this summer in particular. Guys who are already getting paid by their old club who are looking for work and a top-up in salary, there might be some intriguing options there. But if you’ve got the cap room, the best window might be before the buyout ever occurs; you might be able to swing a sweet deal to take a contract off a team’s hands before they have to pony up the $$$ for the buyout.

    No doubt there will be some interesting conversations this off-season as the GMs adjust to the new landscape.

  29. Captain Obvious says:

    That’s a better roster than this year but it’s still the floor of what the Oilers need to do. Specifically they either need to add someone better than Streit or they need to add two solid defensemen, something like Streit and Tyutin. That pushes Klefbom to the seventh guy and gives them meaningful depth and competition for playing time.

    Up front the key is avoiding middle tier UFAs like Clarkson who will get paid star money. That could sink us for years.

    So scenario #1 sign Streit, trade Hemsky for Tyutin, sign Stalberg and Matt Cullen. Now you have a team. Does that fit under the salary cap?

    All this is assuming that a Grabovski–Gardiner swap isn’t possible. That would be so fantastic there aren’t words to describe how fantastic it would be.

  30. LoDog says:

    While I don’t expect Klefbom to be gifted a spot on the big club I don’t get why most seem to think it is stupid if he happens to make opening day roster. If he proves good enough and they keep him up, as long as there is depth if he is not, whats the problem?

  31. Bag of Pucks says:

    Not nearly enough IMO.

    Gagner is set to become a $5mil 2C with faceoff and defensive deficiencies. The time to sell is now, and I’m so happy to see him on the 1st line right now in an effort to inflate his numbers for pump and dump.

    You’ve got Hemsky on the right spot on the depth chart LT. 3RW behind Yakupov. That in conjunction with a $5mil per salary screams trade, does it not?

    If I’m MacT, I have to land a center with size at the draft. Hopefully the team’s in a spot where they can do that at the slot they’re in. If not, they’ll have to part with an asset to move up and Gagner would seem the natural choice. I’d go even bolder and swap Eberle + the Oil’s 1st for the first overall Seth Jones pick + a two way winger with size. Can’t realistically see 1st overall in play though.

    I highly doubt Hemsky can bring back skill w/grit, so I think you realistically look to deal him for a Top 4 D with a cap strung team. The problem of course being that Ales is a fairly high ticket item himself. I would think players like Paul Martin, Tyler Myers, James Wisniewski could be put in play for Hemsky as essentially what teams will be swapping here is highly paid underachievers. This is the real acid test for the GM, determining which of these players could resurrect their career vs which players are heading for the toilet permanently. If Columbus would deal Jack Johnson for Hemsky, I do that deal in a heartbeat.

    Further, I think the Oil buy out Belanger and I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that MacT has the ‘it’s time to retire with dignity talk’ with Ryan Smyth in the next few days. If Smyth’s not amenable to that, you make it very clear to him that he’ll likely finish his Oiler career with considerable time spent in the press box next season and he has to be onside with that.

    Finally, given the cap space he has, I think MacT can and should afford some 1 year FA overpays next season. Handzus, Cullen, Halpern, Ryder, Dupuis, Jagr, Morrow, Clowe, Nystrom. There’s a lot of still productive pending UFA vets out there that should be up for a 1 year overpay to keep their career alive and help to shelter the kids through the next year. Next year’s 3 line is out there waiting to be signed. Get ‘er done MacT.

  32. slopitch says:

    1) Gagner + the rights to Whitney for Couturier
    2) Use Lander on 4th line role next year
    3) Hemsky+prospect+pick for Wiz or Tytuin
    4) Draft Mohanon
    5) Let MacT find 2-3 players to upgrade our shitty depth
    6) Make Hall captain. Its time.

    I like Streit but not a ton given age, size and team need.

  33. Captain Obvious says:

    Following up if the Oilers trade Hemsky + Musil (for example) for Tyutin and buy out Smyth that will leave about $11 M to sign three quality free agents and a backup goaltender.

    Does that get you Streit, Stalberg, and Cullen? I don’t know. What I would do is take that $11 M and spend it on the best free agents I could get. May

  34. HugThePost says:

    I’d be lukewarm to Streit—he’s alluring because of his reputation, but the cold hard truth is he might be our next Whitney—an old, previously-effective offensive defenceman who is past his prime and has a body that is betraying him.

    I’d be far more supportive of the oilers pursuing younger talent that is a better match for our young guns. Sure, it is hard to come by, but it’s time for the pro scouting department to come through after all of the duds they have brought in.

    I agree, the time is now to deal Gagner to us towards a more balanced line up.

  35. Mr DeBakey says:

    If he [Klefbom] proves good enough and they keep him up, as long as there is depth if he is not, whats the problem?

    Of course he’s going to show good in training camp, those kind of guys always do.

    The point is to have someone better than a rookie defenseman in the starting line-up from the git-go [notice how Young Schulz turned the OIlers around this year]
    and, as you mention, START THE YEAR WITH DEPTH.

  36. rickithebear says:

    mumbai max: Not enough! As we’ll as the D you describe add a stud #1. Weber or bust. If it takes Eberle and or the first round pick I do it! We NEED Pronger, err, I mean Weber!

    Weber plays 1st Comp at even
    and gets you the league average for GA.
    He will be 2nd unit PP to J. schultz 1st PP.
    We are well aware of a the production diffrence between current PP system
    and a point shot driven PP.
    He sucks at PK.

    Comparing him to pronger! LOL.

  37. cabbiesmacker says:

    I vote not enough. That D would still be soft as baby poo, Gagner’s still in the lineup, (more baby poo), and the winger needs to be a LW if all three current RW, 83,14,64 are kept on

    Requires 2 D…one LW to bump 56 and 91 down…one C NOW…one C future via draft

    Hawks are going to have trouble getting to next seasons cap so they’re exploitable. If Emery season has been for real he could be a decent option in goal for a decent price. Bickell and Stalberg could definitely be targets but I think the Hawks will do everything in their power to keep Stalberg.

    Hawks need C and D depth if they aren’t bringing Pirri up next year. Gagner and Kane have a past. Would Gagner signed at $4.5 per + Peckham/Prospect D get the Oilers all of Stalberg, Bickell, and Emery?

    From a purely biased opinion I hope the Oilers find a different trading partner.

  38. cabbiesmacker says:

    mrzael:
    e.I would do Eberle for Martin Hanzal though.The coyotes need scoring and “Hanzal, he’s hot!”Great way to start the day with Cleaning Windows.

    I just Vurped.

  39. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    Pronger he is not. A good #1 D he is. He is being horribly underrated on this site. The guy is the predators. Other than a couple decent vets he and Rinne are the only really good players on that team which is in the same position as another team with 3 #1 picks, and a few other really good forwards. Sutter went to a much better team and has much better numbers which would have reversed if Weber was the one to leave. The guy would be amazing on the pp, since every team has figured out that we dont have a point shot, so their pk collapses down low to prevent passes across the crease. No reason to challenge the point in case Schultz Jr decides to float a muffin. If you have Webers blast you cant let him have clean shots at the net so one of the forwards has to challenge him, creating space down low in the process.

    Oilers fans are amazing. You can find guys fans that wouldnt trade a 3rd round pick for Crosby because of what that 3rd round pick might become.

  40. Bruce McCurdy says:

    If Smyth simply retired, wouldn’t the 2nd year of his cap hit still be on the books as a 35+? Would have to think the compliance buyout option makes more sense for both the org and the player.

  41. speeds says:

    OT, but with the draft lottery happening in a week and a half, perhaps not crazily OT.

    With the format change allowing any of the 14 non-playoff teams to win the top pick, how would you do this if you were TSN? Would you continue with the 5 envelopes, revealing from 5 up to 1?

    Or would you reveal all 14 teams, 14 through 1, now that any of the picks can move all the way to number 1?

  42. LMHF#1 says:

    I see a grab bag of useful forwards, either by UFA or reasonable trade, that would help this team. I’ll leave out the higher priced options (the David Clarkson class, as it were).

    FWD

    Bryan Bickell
    Dustin Penner
    Guillame Latendresse
    Colby Armstrong
    Brian Boyle
    Eric Fehr
    Nik Antropov
    Alexander Burmistrov
    Peter Mueller

    I’m sure there are more. Nearly all of these guys are slightly flawed but interesting, which is what makes them guys we should be able to get at a value contract. You have to pick up players that may surprise you.

  43. LMHF#1 says:

    rickithebear:
    He will be 2nd unit PP to J. schultz 1st PP.

    Why would you say that?

    Also, why not both? *(I’m a 4 or 5 fwd PP guy, but many people are not)

  44. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    speeds,

    Assuming Tambellini is still under contract why not appoint him as special advisor to sit at the draft Ballard style ? Great TV if he pulls off a paper bag when he wins again.

  45. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    If Smyth simply retired, wouldn’t the 2nd year of his cap hit still be on the books as a 35+? Would have to think the compliance buyout option makes more sense for both the org and the player.

    I wasn’t thinking the contract/cap implications as much as what needs to be done to enable Ryan Smyth to retire with dignity?

    Is Smytty going to ride gracefully into the sunset or he is going to have be pushed? He seems too proud for press box duty and being a player you can spell in on occasion from that perch. Unfortunately, I think that’s precisely what the Oil would need him to be next season if forced to keep him on the roster.

    This has been a fairly dismal season, but they can end it on a high note if Smyth were to confirm his retirement asap and the team pulled out all the stops to celebrate his career over the games that remain. Personally, I always prefer that over the clearly over the hill vet hanging around much too long.

  46. thebiggestmanintheworld says:

    Shawn Horcoff, Ales Hemsky, Ryan Smyth, and Sam Gagner are from an era of Oiler hockey we are trying to get better than, no?

    We have all the resources we need to move on (buyouts, trades,etc..)

    Do we now have the smarts to fill the holes that will result?

    #boldmoves#risk

  47. eidy says:

    For all we here from MSM about what our needs are, the first thing we need is 2 top 4 defenseman. That whould make a huge difference to the lineup.

    I am also not sure how “bold” they have to be. With the cap coming down there are goingto be players to get and I’m sure there will be a surprise or two buyout.

    However, on defense it is thin. In order to get a good player, Sekera or Tyutin for example, Hemsky or Gagner would be the likely trade targets. I would also talk to Florida about Kulikov. They were talking of moving him before and Jones is likely who they will get in the draft. I wish it wasn’t so, but feel that those are the players which are likely to get the best return. I am also thinking Sam will need to get paid this year and they may choose to spend elsewhere.

    For all the bad ST did, the 6 million ceiling he established with Hall might be the best thing we have going forward from him.

  48. sliderule says:

    My eyes may have been deceiving me but last game it looked like Fistric had lost a lot of weight and as a result was a lot quicker.
    It was only one game but if he could maintain the way he played in that game he would be a fine five or six next season.

  49. rickithebear says:

    For all who want to trade Gagner.
    Replace
    PP 2.46Min 5.6P/60 2 of 3 years;
    Statsny
    Datsyuk
    T. Hall
    Erat
    Malkin
    Sellanne
    Zetterburg
    Datsyuk
    Giroux
    Backstrom
    Thorton
    Tavares

    RK is giving Gagner his first year of PK.
    1.68 min 3.39GA/60
    Replace from players last 2 years
    Bozak
    Talbot
    Read
    A. HAll
    Alfredsson
    Bergeron
    Statsny
    M. Richards
    Prust
    Elias
    Boyle
    Peverley
    Cullen
    Kesler
    Cooke
    J. Staal
    We will not be able to replace his ST results with one player.

    though there is one player who recieves 3rd unit PP on his team around 3/4 min.
    his reults are ahead of Gagner.
    B. Boyle NYR.

    The problem for everyone is even.
    Gagner cannot handle 1st and upper 2nd comp. he is a 3.15GA/60 player.
    Last 3 years he is a 1.95P/60 player versus 1st , 2nd and 3rd comp.
    Against 3rd comp he is a 2.3 GA/60 player
    we need a 3rd comp line that caters to our special teams,
    but has a strong history of outscoring.
    Smyth(Top 10 PK)-Gagner (PK, PP)-XXX

  50. Hambone678 says:

    Let’s not bring in Mark Streit. Old, broken-down junk might be fine in an El Camino, but not in NHL defencemen (see Whitney, Ray). We probably need two top four D men to avoid rushing Klefbom.

    I hope that with MacT the organization can turn over a new leaf and stop rushing young guys up the depth chart before they’re ready.

    Also, I don’t like the idea of a Hemsky trade because I don’t think his trade value is particularly high. I would rather see Gagner go.

  51. cabbiesmacker says:

    rickithebear:
    For all who want to trade Gagner.

    YES, FOR SURE, and ABSOLUTELY

  52. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer: rickithebear, Pronger he is not. A good #1 D he is. He is being horribly underrated on this site. The guy is the predators. Other than a couple decent vets he and Rinne are the only really good players on that team which is in the same position as another team with 3 #1 picks, and a few other really good forwards. Sutter went to a much better team and has much better numbers which would have reversed if Weber was the one to leave. The guy would be amazing on the pp, since every team has figured out that we dont have a point shot, so their pk collapses down low to prevent passes across the crease. No reason to challenge the point in case Schultz Jr decides to float a muffin. If you have Webers blast you cant let him have clean shots at the net so one of the forwards has to challenge him, creating space down low in the process.Oilers fans are amazing. You can find guys fans that wouldnt trade a 3rd round pick for Crosby because of what that 3rd round pick might become.

    7.6M! for 19 Minutes of Even and 2.5M of PP
    7.6M! he does not PK.

    Player value:
    Smid and Weber are 1st comp 2.00GA/60 Dmen. 2 extra minutes of even for weber.
    they are .567Ga/60 in 17 standard minutes of play.

    PK performance is of equal value to PP performance.
    Smid plays 3.11 on PK 4.59GA/60
    6.03Ga/60 league average
    He is 1.44GA/60 better.
    60/3.11 19.3 games
    1.44/19.3
    Smid reduces GA .075G/gm

    Weber plays 3.59min pp
    he is .86P/60 better than league average
    60/3.59 16.7GM
    .86/16.7
    Weber increases GF .051G/gm

    Smid 3.5M
    Weber 7.6M

    Is he worth the extra 4.1M?
    Can we get better EV defence and 2nd PP unit suppport for less than 7.6M

  53. rickithebear says:

    cabbiesmacker: YES, FOR SURE, and ABSOLUTELY

    Non fairy tale replacements please!

  54. oilersfan says:

    I have a feeling Gagner would be worth keeping if:

    1) they find a big lw to play with him who is good at puck retrieval in the O zone and can take faceoffs (penner fits nicely)
    2) they tweak the system more to his strengths on defence as he is brutal there.

  55. Bruce McCurdy says:

    thebiggestmanintheworld: Shawn Horcoff, Ales Hemsky, Ryan Smyth, and Sam Gagner are from an era of Oiler hockey we are trying to get better than, no?

    There was a time in the earliest ’90s that Steve Yzerman was from an era of Red Wing hockey they were trying to get better than. They were wise to not simply gut the whole thing. Some holes are better filled from within.

  56. Mr DeBakey says:

    Old, broken-down junk might be fine in an El Camino, but not in NHL defencemen (see Whitney, Ray).

    i’m not sure that I’m a big fan of a Streit pick-up.
    But lets not get carried away here.
    He’s played 82 games each of the last two seasons, and hasn’t missed a game yet this year.

  57. russ99 says:

    I still think we need to punt some more of the bottom 6 than listed, and acquire a shutdown third line, along with the other areas on LT’s wishlist.

  58. dessert1111 says:

    For everyone talking excitedly about Streit (there seems to be a lot of ppl — media and fans), have you watched him play much this year? Every time I’ve seen him he look finished, like the Ryan Smyth of defense. He’d probably be one of the six best defensemen on the Oilers, but I don’t think he is a huge improvement, and he’s only going to get worse.

    Haven’t seen Klefbom much, but if there is a 6D spot open for him, I think it makes sense to have a camp battle for it. Fedun looks like he might push for a 3rd pairing spot, and they might make some small trades/signings in the off-season for a young guy or journeyman who might be able to add to that battle. Competition for a few spots would be good.

  59. cabbiesmacker says:

    rickithebear: Non fairy tale replacements please!

    Assuming he’d go east.

    I’d dangle him in front of Yzerman for Kucherov and Barberio.? Happy googling

    Use him to get a solid Dman or as a multi player with Gardiner being a piece out of Tor

    Wave him at the Islanders and see if you can get a package deal done that could include Nielson/Poulan or maybe Nilsson

    Straight up for Ryan O’Reilly – better way to spend $5M

    Hawks need cap room – Patrick Sharp?

    Offer him for the 1 – 5 pick and draft his replacement?

    Just being silly now.

  60. rickithebear says:

    rickithebear: Is he worth the extra 4.1M?
    Can we get better EV defence and 2nd PP unit suppport for less than 7.6M

    That being said

    Smid(3.5M)-Weber (7.6M)
    XXX-Petry( 1.75/4.5M)
    Fistric(1.75m)-J. Schultz (3.775m)

    for the next 2 years
    Hell yeah!

    when you look at the bonus money paid.
    there is no chance he goes.

  61. thebiggestmanintheworld says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bit of a stretch, but I get what you’re selling.

    Although, I would wager most of those players are on the “tough decision” list anyway…

  62. godot10 says:

    Gagner is 23. The Oilers can sign him to a contract and he is not going to lose value. His offensive production has been fairly consistent. Draft a centre to replace him in two years. Right now he is NOT a problem that has to be fixed immediately. He has lost about $1 million per season in the last 2 weeks.

    The Gagner decision can wait (unless someone offers up a better 2nd line centre).

    Offer sheet Gunnarsson (at the 2nd round level,,.3 years @ $3 million per season) and maybe McDonagh (at the first plus a 3rd level).

    Gunnarsson and Streit, re-signing Fistric. That would be my plan.

    Smid-Petry
    Streit-JSchultz
    Gunnarsson-NSchultz
    Fistric-Potter

  63. jonrmcleod says:

    When the Oilers lose the draft lottery will they regret not waiting until after the lottery to fire Tambellini? Perhaps they should have reassigned him to a new position: “Draft Lottery Luck Consultant.”

  64. VanOil says:

    godot10:
    The Gagner decision can wait

    I think you have nailed it.

    I am very onboard LT’s list/evaluation of need for the off season.

    As for the players he has chosen to fill those gags, I am OK with that.

    As for Daft Punk dropping a new album I am so excited that it can’t possibly live up to my expectations.

    As for Miller I am excited that the Team still values skill and passion for the game. Even if he never makes the NHL it means we are unlikely to draft a Daigle.

    My first round picks are Barkov then Mohannan. Both big and skilled but;

    With our high second round pick I would like Jordan Subban. Incredible skater, great offense, great passion. But small, for now. We have 3 man monsters in the D system right now, Bigos, Marincin and Germat plus Musil who would likely break into the NHL as a brick shit house. With these players ahead of him in by the time Subban is ready for the NHL size is likely not to be a concern for the Oilers D. He could be the steal of the draft.

  65. art vandelay says:

    Klefbom’s not going to go to the farm next year, so that’s a non-started. Staples was really clear in his article a couple days ago – the Oilers think he’s first pairing material, and will start with Justin in the fall. They think he’s going to have a rookie year like Brodin did in Minny.

    That made me burst out laughing.
    1. The notion that the Oilers might think the way out of 30th place is to make a top pair from a Euro rookie and this year’s Big Soft Hype.
    2. That anyone would take Staples seriously.

    Have we stopped scouring Matty’s dot-dot-dots to see what Bruce McGregor thinks about whoever is mentioned on the AP wire this week?

  66. Bag of Pucks says:

    There seems to be a school of thought with some posters that the Top 6 is fine, thus (keep Gagner and/or Hemsky or both), augment the Bottom 6 and you’re good to go.

    My concern with that is how do you rationalize that vs the stats that show our 2nd line is nowhere close to being an outscoring line primarily because they bleed chances at epic levels? To paraphrase the poison pill question at the press conference, “how is this meaningful change?”

    Good organizations do not make excuses for poor performance while providing players numerous opportunities to finally ‘get it’ This is one of the number one issues with the Oilers – they gift lineup spots to players who don’t deserve them based on performance.

    MacTavish says he’s not afraid to make a mistake on a player and that the tough decisions need to be made. I sincerely hope his actions bear that out going forward.

    We’re 5 years into the Sam Gagner experiment. He sucks defensively and at FOs, and it’s fairly easy to determine that as a 2C, he’s not going to be the 2nd coming of Patrice Bergeron, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, Jordan Staal, etc. In other words, unless he’s willing to take a serious discount to be a soft minutes 3C, you move on because this player does not get you closer to drinking from Lord Stanley’s mug.

    As far as Ales Hemsky, is it not readily apparent this season that he’s the invisible freakin’ man when the games matter? Granted, he wasn’t this way in 2006, but to quote the presser once more, “that was seven years ago!” There was a time when Ales did go to the hard areas, but post shoulder recovery, he seems to be evolving into a true perimeter player now. Probably a smart move on his part, but again, time to move on as this Kristian Huselius type effort does not win you the serious hardware.

    Oiler mgmt gets chided and rightfully so for their wishful thinking on dubious personnel decisions “Whitney, Khabibulin, Klefbom being the 1D next year, etc. It’s easy to make that call with fringe players or prospects in over their head, but I would think the same rigor has to be applied to the elite talent that under-performs?

    On a somewhat related note, has anyone watched 24Ch? I was quite struck by how different the dressing room culture is in the Habs room vs the Oilers. It may just be that Mtl is providing more access for their program than the Oilers are, but it seems the Habs coaching staff calls out their players much more directly than does Edmonton’s coaching staff and that accountability seems to pay huge dividends. In one scene in particular, Therrien challenged the whole room after Prust fought Lucic to show the same kind of commitment. The team responded with an impressive rally. Fun stuff to watch.

  67. Bar_Qu says:

    art vandelay,

    Hi Art!

  68. mike.c33 says:

    The Oilers have the following players under contract for the 2013-14 season:

    Center: Horcoff, RNH, Belanger, and Lander
    Right Wing: Hemsky, Yakupov, Eberle, and Brown
    Left Wing: Hall, and Smyth
    Defense: J. Schultz, N. Schultz, Smid, Petry, and Potter
    Goal: Dubnyk

    They also hold the rights to the following players:

    Center: Gagner
    Left wing: Paajarvi and Hartikainen.
    Defense: Peckham

    After removing the 5 “untouchables”, the Oilers have the following assets available for trade:

    Center: Horcoff, Belanger, Lander, and Gagner (rights).
    Right Wing: Hemsky and Brown
    Left Wing: Smyth, Paajarvi (rights), and Hartikainen (rights).
    Defense: N. Schultz, Smid, Petry, Potter, and Peckham (rights).

    Belanger, Brown, Smyth, and Peckham have no value; Lander and Potter probably aren’t worth much. So the Oilers list of assets most likely looks something like this:

    • Horcoff
    • Gagner (rights)
    • Hemsky
    • Paajarvi (rights)
    • Hartikainen (rights)
    • N. Schultz
    • Smid
    • Petry

    My turn to play armchair GM. I would…

    1. Sign Paajarvi and Hartikainen.
    2. Trade Eberle, Marincin, and Gagner’s rights to Toronto for Grabovski and Gardiner.
    3. Trade Hemsky, Klefbom, and Edmonton’s 2013 first round pick for Clarkson (signed for 5.5 to 6 million, preferably 5) and Larsson.
    4. Sign Khudobin

    RNH-Hall-Yakupov
    Grabovski-Paajarvi-Clarkson
    Horcoff-Hartikainen-Miller
    Belanger-Smyth-Brown
    Lander

    Petry-Smid
    Gardiner-J. Schultz
    N.Schultz-Larsson
    Potter

    Dubnyk
    Khudobin

    Salary cap structure:

    3.775 – 6 – 3.775
    5.5 – 2 – 5.5
    5.5 – 2 – 3.775
    1.75 – 2.25 – 0.737
    0.9

    1.75 – 3.5
    1.17 – 3.775
    3.5 – 0.925
    0.9

    3.5
    2

    I realized the 4th line hasn’t changed; the Oilers are a cap team. But how was that for bold moves?

  69. BrazilianOil says:

    mike.c33,

    Probably the leafs agree with the trade. Overpay imo

  70. cabbiesmacker says:

    jonrmcleod:
    When the Oilers lose the draft lottery will they regret not waiting until after the lottery to fire Tambellini? Perhaps they should have reassigned him to a new position: “Draft Lottery Luck Consultant.”

    Have him dressed in a leprechaun outfit scarfing a big bowl of Lucky Charms

  71. denny33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Agreed – Hemsky is a- 30 year old finesse player who does not really score a lot – and he makes 5 million per year…9 goals this year / 10 goals last year. 5 million. Ouch.

    Not sure what kind of return he will garner – especially given most teams cap issues.

    To a certain extent – our hands might be tied with Hemsky….

  72. mike.c33 says:

    BrazilianOil,

    I think fans overvalue their own players. I thought of the trade as two separate trades:

    Eberle to Toronto, Gardiner to Edmonton.

    Marincin and Gagner’s rights to Toronto, Grabovski salary dump to Edmonton.

    The Oilers have 3 great right wingers and need more depth at center and defense. I don’t think Hemsky brings Gardiner back; I would trade Eberle before Yakupov. I don’t think I could trade Gagner for Grabovski straight across because Gagner’s unsigned so I throw in one of our top D prospects to sweeten the deal. I would probably dangle Musil first, but I doubt Toronto bites on him.

  73. denny33 says:

    mike.c33,

    You realize your trading for a UFA in Clarkson ….

  74. mike.c33 says:

    denny33:
    mike.c33,

    You realize your trading for a UFA in Clarkson ….

    I believe I wrote “Trade Hemsky, Klefbom, and Edmonton’s 2013 first round pick for Clarkson (signed for 5.5 to 6 million, preferably 5) and Larsson.”

  75. gcw_rocks says:

    I am with those that say Klefbom on the roster is a very bad sign. The guy won’t have played for months. He has never played an nhl game. Playoff contenders don’t do that.

    I wonder if Lacavelier (sp) gets bought out in Tampa. He would look really good in a tandem with RNH.

  76. Bruce McCurdy says:

    thebiggestmanintheworld:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bit of a stretch, but I get what you’re selling.

    Although, I would wager most of those players are on the “tough decision” list anyway…

    Oh yeah, a stretch, Gagner is no Stevie Y, I was just arguing from my usual location out in the extremes.

  77. Bruce McCurdy says:

    VanOil: As for the players he has chosen to fill those gags, I am OK with that.

    Fill those gags. Great Freudian typo, that.

  78. thebiggestmanintheworld says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I hear ya, but you do make a valid point.

    I just wonder if moving on from a certain group of players is what MacT was refering to.

    The holes those players would leave would be huge, but would also give us the spots and money to be flexible in filling them.

    Sometimes moving on has more to do than just playing ability. All of those players are still capable, but like Mact the coach, maybe its just time to walk away….

  79. Woodguy says:

    art vandelay,

    Have we stopped scouring Matty’s dot-dot-dots to see what Bruce McGregor thinks about whoever is mentioned on the AP wire this week?

    That’s pretty awesome.

  80. Lowetide says:

    Man. That was good, Art. THOSE were the days!

  81. denny33 says:

    mike.c33,

    You did.

    Clarkson is a UFA…

    And why would we give 2 players for Larson, again?

  82. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    This foundation needs serious attention.
    If Lowe, Mactavish along with Howson start next season with
    Gagner
    Hemsky
    .Paajarvi
    Hartikinen
    Petry

    Then they have failed in moving the roster forward.

    Keeping these players on the team is the fundamental issue in what is wrong with the roster.
    To many soft players that contribute very little in the way of offense and toughness.

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