HAPPY

When the Oil Kings hit the ice tonight, NHL scouts will look at several top quality draft prospects. Among those possibly available? Martin Gernat.

The CSB list tells us there are 4 first time prospects: Oil Kings Curtis Lazar and Tristan Jarry along with Hitmen Greg Chase (Oilers might be looking at him) and Mack Shields.

Gernat should be signed soon (or by now). The deadline is (I believe) June 1, and that means the club could in fact need to negotiate during the playoffs (or possibly the Memorial Cup). It should be an easy contract to get done, but we were saying that months ago.

Sign the man.

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  1. TheOtherJohn says:

    Saw headline, assumed MacT announced MA Pouliot was signed to a 2 year 1way deal and that he is seriously contemplating a 3-1 trade at draft

  2. Ray says:

    Gernat was drafted out of Europe and then came over to play for the Oilkings, does anyone out there know if maybe that effects the deadline to sign him? maybe that’s the reason for the rumors that the team wants him to play a year or two in Europe… maybe it give them a longer window to hold his rights before signing him????

  3. MrSmitty says:

    I was reading tweets from Gregor. He was saying Ruff would consider being an associate coach??? Does that mean the Oilers are trying to get him to be the associate coach. Sorry if I missed something I was sleeping all day cause I am working night shifts.

  4. Clay says:

    I know that there is no way that they can let Gernat walk. It just makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, how does any 50 man list anywhere include someone like Alex Plante and not Martin Gernat? And I know that the new GM has an actual brain, and should represent the end of illogical asset moves for the Oilers.

    Why then do I have this nagging fear in the back of my brain?

  5. eidy says:

    MrSmitty,

    If you want to be in charge of the oilers, come on in an associate role, wait until the top guy is fired and ascend to the chair. Ruff would be awesome in Edmonton.

    Also regarding Gernat, this is from Gregor’s interview with Howson

    Howson: Ya, I think you’re right. No team is going to win in this league without a strong defence. I think that’s an area where we have to improve and I think we’re going to improve. If you look at the players, I can tell you as an outsider, if you look at the players coming up the pipeline in the Oilers’ system, they are coming.

    It’s such a hard position to play; you can’t expect it to be much immediate help. But when you’re talking Oscar Klefbom, he’s a world class player for his age level. Martin Gernat, David Musil, there’s a lot of good, young defencemen that are coming. We’ve just got to make sure that we’re patient with them, we put them in places where they succeed, we don’t rush them, and when they’re ready they’ll be part of a very good Oilers’ defence.

    At least he is on Howson’s radar

  6. mike.c33 says:

    I revised my armchair GM strategy. My goals were to:

    • Increase depth at center and defense without sacrificing the core.
    • Rebuild the bottom 6 through compliance buy outs, UFA signings, and trade.
    • Make the Oilers competitive in 2013-14.

    What I would do:

    1. Buy out Belanger and Smyth.
    2. Sign Hartikainen and MPS.
    3. Trade Edmonton’s 2013 1st round pick and Gagner’s rights to New Jersey for Larsson and Henrique’s rights at the draft. Sweeten the deal with Edmonton’s 2nd round pick, if necessary.
    4. Sign Henrique.
    5. Trade Eberle to Toronto for Gardiner. Sweeten deal with Marincin, if necessary.
    6. Sign UFA goaltender Khudobin.
    7. Sign UFAs Clarkson or Horton and Penner on one-year overpays.
    8. Offer sheet Kruger.

    Depth Chart:

    RNH-Hall-Yakupov
    Henrique-MPS-Clarkson/Horton
    Kruger-Hartikainen-Hemsky
    Horcoff-Penner-Brown
    Lander

    Smid-Petry
    Gardiner-J. Schultz
    N. Schultz-Larsson
    Potter

    Dubnyk
    Khudobin

    These moves give the Oilers 3 young RFAs at center in Henrique, Kruger, and RNH without waiting for the Oilers 2013 1st round pick to develop. The blue line is also bolstered by the additions of Gardiner and Larsson. Unfortunately, Eberle and the 2013 1st round pick are lost to trade but 4 young players are added to the core. Klefbom spends 2013-14 in the AHL and replaces N. Schultz on the 3rd pairing in 2014-15. UFA signings Clarkson/Horton and Penner give the Oilers depth in 2013-14 and (hopefully) makes them more competitive.

    Thoughts?

  7. bookje says:

    I wonder how close Ruff would be standing behind Ralph as he watches over his shoulder?

    One thing to consider with regards to Ruff accepting an ‘Associate Coach’ position. It seems implausable, but remember, there is no salary cap on coaches and Katz’ toy isn’t working as it was supposed to be working. If he thinks Associate Coach Ruff gets the job done, then he can Convin$e Ruff to take the job.

  8. Lowetide says:

    If Mike Babcock shakes loose or Scotty Bowman has a change of heart call me. Otherwise, MacT can teach Krueger the finer points like 4th line own zone faceoffs and this gap from blue to F WG and Zona and rickithebear have been talking about

  9. Gordies Elbow says:

    From the CBA Summary on the NHLPA Site (Doc) , page 18 of 24, Article 8 (Entry Draft), Section 2. Exclusive Negotiating Rights


    NHL Clubs who draft European Players age 18 or 19 shall obtain four (4) years of exclusive
    negotiating rights following selection in the Draft. NHL Clubs who draft European Players age 20 or older shall obtain two (2) years of exclusive negotiating rights following selection in the Draft. If the four-year or two-year (as appropriate) period expires, Player will be eligible to enter the League as a Free Agent and will not be subject to re-entering the Draft.

    Current rules regarding exclusive negotiating rights for College Players will remain status quo.
    Parties to incorporate NHL/NHLPA Agreement on College Players leaving college prior to graduation (but following the fourth June 1 after date of Draft) (i.e., Goepfert Letter Agreement).

    From what I read, it looks like they have his rights for the four years following the NHL draft. If he’s not signed in 2015, he becomes a UFA. Anyone else able to weigh in?

    @Lowetide: Great site, long time listener, first time caller. Thanks!

  10. Lowetide says:

    GE: Thanks! I think the issue is that the rules above relate strictly to the rules moving forward. Gernat’s situation would fall under the previous rules.

  11. Professor Q says:

    mike.c33,

    No. Eberle and Marincin for Gardiner? You’re insane.

  12. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    If Mike Babcock shakes loose or Scotty Bowman has a change of heart call me. Otherwise, MacT can teach Krueger the finer points like 4th line own zone faceoffs and this gap from blue to F WG and Zona and rickithebear have been talking about

    I heard someone on 1260 talking about Babcock not being back in DET.

    Did DET decide to follow the EDM model?

    WTF?

  13. Woodguy says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    From the CBA Summary on the NHLPA Site (Doc) , page 18 of 24, Article 8 (Entry Draft), Section 2. Exclusive Negotiating Rights


    NHL Clubs who draft European Players age 18 or 19 shall obtain four (4) years of exclusive
    negotiating rights following selection in the Draft. NHL Clubs who draft European Players age 20 or older shall obtain two (2) years of exclusive negotiating rights following selection in the Draft. If the four-year or two-year (as appropriate) period expires, Player will be eligible to enter the League as a Free Agent and will not be subject to re-entering the Draft.


    Current rules regarding exclusive negotiating rights for College Players will remain status quo.
    Parties to incorporate NHL/NHLPA Agreement on College Players leaving college prior to graduation (but following the fourth June 1 after date of Draft) (i.e., Goepfert Letter Agreement).

    From what I read, it looks like they have his rights for the four years following the NHL draft. If he’s not signed in 2015, he becomes a UFA. Anyone else able to weigh in?

    @Lowetide: Great site, long time listener, first time caller. Thanks!

    That’s the new rules.

    Any player drafted under the old rules, still follows the old rules.

    Gernat needs to be signed soon.

    I’m 83.4% on this.

  14. mike.c33 says:

    Professor Q,

    The Oilers have 3 very good right wingers and virtually no depth at center and defense; I don’t think you can acquire a #1 D like Weber for spare parts, especially not the Oilers’ spare parts. You have to give up quality to get quality; a top 6 foward for a top 4 defenceman.

  15. GoalieBob says:

    If the Oilers want to be told try this:

    To CLB:
    Ganger
    N Schultz
    MPS
    2014 mid round pick or prospect

    To EDM:
    Dubinsky
    Tyutin
    Johansen

    Dubinsky and Tyutin both have salaries higher than their cap hits and Tyutin has 5 years left on his deal so depending on what CLB internal cap limit is they may be willing to move them.

    Gives EDM size and Centre depth and improvement on defence.

  16. OilLeak says:

    Woodguy: That’s the new rules.

    Any player drafted under the old rules, still follows the old rules.

    Gernat needs to be signed soon.

    I’m 83.4% on this.

    But the previous CBA is now null and void, is it not? Whether he was drafted in the previous CBA, doesn’t really change the fact that all players are now governed by the current rules that are in place, unless the new CBA states otherwise.

    Need a lawyer’s thought process on this, Steve Smith are you around? Or maybe someone could get a hold of Dellow on twitter.

  17. denny33 says:

    mike.c33,

    Is Gardiner even in the NHL?

  18. commonfan14 says:

    mike.c33: The Oilers have 3 very good right wingers and virtually no depth at center and defense

    The fact that you have depth in one area doesn’t mean you should deal one of them for way less than full value. That’s a sure way to make the team worse in a hurry.

    Also, Hemmer may no longer be a ‘very’ good right winger. If he has a similar year next year, what’s he worth on a new contract? $3.5? $4?

  19. VanOil says:

    I am confused by the Weber talk.

    I realize, because Oilers, because Pronger.

    But in this the Spring of 2013 he may be paid like the best Defenseman in the league but I have him ranked about #7. My list being Doughty, Karlson, Subban, Seabrook, Chara, Sutter, Weber.

    Of those only Doughty is of the old Pronger or Chara class that will guarantee a shot at the Cup for the next 10 years. Let alone the 13 year remaining on Webers contract. So what I am saying is only Doughty is worth selling the farm for and LA is not buying.

    Using the same ten year crystal ball who are the forwards that could lift a team on there back and ensure the have a shot at the cup every year for the next ten?

    Crosby sure if he plays that long

    Malkin maybe

    O.V. ???

    Stamkos will he be as good post St. Louis

    Hall, if he makes the same amount of improvement as he has the in last year, yes.

    So count me out of the Captian Ahad camp. One legit top 4 defender who can play for the next 5 years and a grizzled old vet that can work as a placeholder/backup/competition for Kelfbom for the next year or two is good enough for me. We don’t have to jump from also ran to cup contender this summer for me to be happy, just improve enough to get on to the dance floor.

    We have the supper stars in waiting we just need the supporting cast. I know Kelfbom and Schultz will not be a top ten tandem in the league next year, but they could be the for following 5 years and that should be good enough with the forwards in front of them.

  20. Captain Happy says:

    denny33:
    mike.c33,

    Is Gardiner even in the NHL?

    Yes.

    2 assists tonight.

  21. Ducey says:

    OilLeak: But the previous CBA is now null and void, is it not?Whether he was drafted in the previous CBA, doesn’t really change the fact that all players are now governed by the current rules that are in place, unless the new CBA states otherwise.

    Need a lawyer’s thought process on this, Steve Smith are you around?Or maybe someone could get a hold of Dellow on twitter.

    You need to start with the CBA. It doesn’t seem to be online anywhere. The summary says that transitional rules will be created, but again these don’t seem to be available.

  22. hockeyguy10 says:

    Clay:
    I know that there is no way that they can let Gernat walk.It just makes no sense whatsoever.I mean, how does any 50 man list anywhere include someone like Alex Plante and not Martin Gernat?And I know that the new GM has an actual brain, and should represent the end of illogical asset moves for the Oilers.

    Why then do I have this nagging fear in the back of my brain?

    because your an Oiler fan. Relax he will get signed. Unless the Kingsway tall foreheads
    think the new CBA rules apply.

  23. Wolfie says:

    I think there may be an opportunity with Winnipeg to swing a deal in the off-season.

    Burmistrov is in Claude Noel’s doghouse off and on. There have been rumours of Byfuglien being available as well.

    They are a budget conscious team and although they can afford to spend to the cap, I’m not sure they will unless they have a real contender. So I could see them off-loading Buff’s contract. They are very high on Trouba and Enstrom has a great big cap hit next year. Wheeler is also probably due for a sizeable raise.

    I think a deal surrounding Burmistrov and Gagner could help both teams. The Jets have been looking for a good offensive centre. Little is alright but not quite 1st line material in my books. Jokinen has not fared well and Burmistrov plays anywhere from the 2nd to the 4th line.

    Burmistrov is very good defensively and he has some very good offensive skill. However, that offense has been somewhat sporadic. I think he likes to freelance a bit and that’s what rubs Noel the wrong way.

    Byfuglien is very much a catalyst for Winnipeg’s offense and he hits hard. I’m not sure if he’s the kind of guy you want around the kids and he doesn’t actually seem like he enjoys himself. His commitment has come into question a number of times but his combination of size and skill is undeniable.

    Ladd, Little and Wheeler work well together. Kane has had a variety of linemates and could really use someone to get him the puck.

    Would something like Gagner and Hemsky for Burmistrov and Byfuglien be amenable to both sides?

  24. Clay says:

    VanOil:
    I am confused by the Weber talk.

    I realize, because Oilers, because Pronger.

    But in this the Spring of 2013 he may be paid like the best Defenseman in the league but I have him ranked about #7. My list being Doughty, Karlson, Subban, Seabrook, Chara, Sutter, Weber.

    Of those only Doughty is of the old Pronger or Chara class that will guarantee a shot at the Cup for the next 10 years. Let alone the 13 year remaining on Webers contract. So what I am saying is only Doughty is worth selling the farm for and LA is not buying.

    Using the same ten year crystal ball who are the forwards that could lift a team on there back and ensure the have a shot at the cup every year for the next ten?

    Crosby sure if he plays that long

    Malkin maybe

    O.V. ???

    Stamkos will he be as good post St. Louis

    Hall, if he makes the same amount of improvement as he has the in last year, yes.

    So count me out of the Captian Ahad camp. One legit top 4 defender who can play for the next 5 years and a grizzled old vet that can work as a placeholder/backup/competition for Kelfbom for the next year or two is good enough for me. We don’t have to jump from also ran to cup contender this summer for me to be happy, just improve enough to get on to the dance floor.

    We have the supper stars in waiting we just need the supporting cast. I know Kelfbom and Schultz will not be a top ten tandem in the league next year, but they could be the for following 5 years and that should be good enough with the forwards in front of them.

    I agree with this stance, the more time goes on. The cost of a “true #1 dman” who is entering his prime is going to be just too dear. I think it’s more realistic that they try to run four guys at the top that are what most would consider #2-#3 type guys, and hope Klefbom, or some other prospect, pushes his way to the top. Like what *spits* Vancouver *spits* did in 2010. Although you could argue Erhoff was (is) a #1 guy.

    That said, your list of top dmen is quite interesting. Doughty as #1, hey? And aren’t all the new generation of Sutters forwards? ;)

  25. fifthcartel says:

    I know this Weber dream scenario would never actually happen, but I really doubt the Oilers are a Shea Weber away from competing .

  26. mumbai max says:

    Wolfie,

    I would do that deal in a flash, but i am not sure Winnipeg would. There is the small matter of Gagner being unsigned. I realize that he is an RFA . I would sign him for 4.75 x 3 years to make him more marketable. That is probably a bit less than he would get as a free agent. Lets say Burmistrov gets 2.5. That means they are trading 7.5 for 9.75. That seems highly unlikely for them. We would likely have to swallow 2m of Hemsky’s salary. That might work out. Creativity and off season patience are key. There are teams with cap issues, and there are buy out bargains. These are two ‘one time’ gold mines that a smart GM will exploit. Do we have one? Remains to be seen.

  27. TheOtherJohn says:

    Jets have richest owner in NHL. He’s a fan. Loves going to games. Dangling $$ is wondrously shortsighted particularly if he holds grudges. Trade for Jet players or leave them alone

  28. mumbai max says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    The dynamics of a particular trade have zero to do with wealth of the owner. It is about cap management.

  29. mike.c33 says:

    Fans overvalue their own players, in my opinion.

    The Oilers have the following players under contract for the 2013-14 season:

    Center: Horcoff, RNH, Belanger, and Lander.
    Right wing: Hemsky, Yakupov, Eberle, and Brown.
    Left wing: Hall, and Smyth.
    Defense: J. Schultz, N. Schultz, Smid, Petry, and Potter.
    Goal: Dubnyk

    They also possess the rights to following players:

    Center: Gagner.
    Left wing: Paajarvi, and Hartikainen.
    Defense: Peckham.

    If you eliminate the 5 “untouchables”, the Oilers have the following assets available for trade:
    • Horcoff
    • Belanger
    • Lander
    • Hemsky
    • Brown
    • Smyth
    • N. Schultz
    • Smid
    • Petry
    • Potter
    • Gagner (rights)
    • Paajarvi (rights)
    • Hartikainen (rights)
    • Peckham (rights)

    Belanger, Brown, Smyth, and Peckham have virtually no value. Lander and Potter have minimal value. Realistically, a late draft pick or future considerations at best. Therefore, the Oilers list of assets looks something like this:

    • Horcoff
    • Hemsky
    • N. Schultz
    • Smid
    • Petry
    • Gagner (rights)
    • Paajarvi (rights)
    • Hartikainen (rights)

    Firstly, I don’t think Horcoff and Hemsky bring much back in a trade because their cap hit is too big for too little production with the salary cap decreasing. Secondly, I also don’t think a player’s rights bring much back in a trade. Maybe a mid-round pick for a player with Gagner’s offensive production and late round picks for players like Paajarvi and Hartikainen.

    That leaves three of the Oilers four actual NHL defensemen available for trade. Can the Oilers afford to part with any of them in 2013-14?

    We all fantasize of a 3-for-1 trade for a #1 D like Weber but the Oilers’ spare parts are essentially worthless. Eberle is more than welcome on my team but he becomes expendable in the cap era when that team already includes Hall, RNH, and Yakupov.

    A hockey team can have 23 players on their roster. The 2013-14 salary cap is 64.3 million. That breaks down as follows:

    39.1 million for 14 forwards.
    19.6 million for 7 defensemen.
    5.6 million for 2 goaltenders.

    If the salary cap doesn’t increase and you are paying Eberle, Hall, RNH, and Yakupov 6 million/year, you are blowing 61% of your forward budget on 4 players; leaving you with only 15.1 million to spend on 10 more players!

    Eberle for Gardiner sounds like a fair trade. Fans on both sides might feel fleeced but, as I said, fans overvalue their own players.

    Clearly, significant changes are needed for the Oilers to make the playoffs. Would a 35% player turnover be enough?


    Revised armchair GM strategy:

    • Buy out Belanger and Smyth.
    • Sign Hartikainen and Paajarvi.
    • Trade Edmonton’s 2013 1st round pick to New Jersey for Larsson at draft. Sweeten deal with Anaheim’s 2013 2nd round pick, if necessary.
    • Trade Gagner’s rights to Winnipeg for Burmistrov’s rights.
    • Sign Burmistrov.
    • Trade Eberle to Toronto for Gardiner.
    • Sign UFAs on short-term overpays to plug holes and increase depth.
    • Sign UFA goaltender Khudobin.
    • Offer sheet Adam Henrique or Marcus Kruger.

    RNH-Hall-Yakupov
    Burmistrov-Paajarvi-xxx
    Henrique/Kruger-Hartikainen-Hemsky
    Horcoff-xxx-Brown
    Lander

    Smid-Petry
    Gardiner-J.Schultz
    N. Schultz-Larsson
    Potter

    Dubnyk
    Khudobin

  30. mike.c33 says:

    The Oilers would have 17.7 million in cap space to sign Burmistrov, Henrique/Kruger, Paajarvi, Hartikainen, and two UFAs – an average of 2.95 million per player.

    My moves leave the Oilers with depth at center and five top 4 defensemen. Assuming the Oilers can get a UFA LW to push Paajarvi and Hartikainen and UFA RW that can move up and down the lineup on value contracts (Penner and Fehr respectively?), the team would be a lot more balanced than it was this year.

  31. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    So, with variance finally coming back to haunt Toronto… what are the chances they offload pieces in the offseason?

  32. Beaker says:

    mike.c33,

    seriously. what is up with you and this eberle for Gardiner thing? I get the argument that Eberle could be moved if the move was right but that trade is just stupid.

  33. godot10 says:

    mike.c33:

    Eberle for Gardiner sounds like a fair trade. Fans on both sides might feel fleeced but, as I said, fans overvalue their own players.

    A proven 22-year old top six forward for an AHL defensemen (who at this point is Taylor Chorney on defense). The Oilers have a better version of Gardiner in Justin Schultz, and a team can really only ice one of these guys.

    Gunnarsson is a far better defensemen than Gardiner at this point. The Oilers should offer sheet Gunnarson at the top end of the 2nd round compensation level, i.e. around $3 million per year.

    Gunnarsson is a legit 26-year old 2nd pairing D.

    If Eberle is going to Toronto, Morgan Reilly AND Carl Gunnarsson have to be coming back.

    Dallas Eakins sheltered Gardiner against OKC in the playoffs last year. He hardly saw the ice with Hartikainen and Paajarvi’s line on the ice.

    A defensemen who has to be sheltered in the AHL can’t defend much.

  34. TheOtherJohn says:

    mumbai max:
    TheOtherJohn,

    The dynamics of a particular trade have zero to do with wealth of the owner. It is about cap management.

    Not so long as a team is able to buyout bad contracts. Then deep pockets do matter. And they can offer sheet our RFA’s

  35. gcw_rocks says:

    mike.c33,

    You need to trade Gagner for Larson and the 2013 pick for Burmistrov. I can’t see a world were uncle Lou trades Larsson for a draft pick.

  36. russ99 says:

    Hemsky is our prime trade chip, a quality offensive player (when healthy) and only one year left.

    Gagner makes more sense on the club that what we’d get back for him. If the Oil can swing some of these deals proposed, fantastic, but IMO he doesn’t have the trade value due to his contract and poor defense as some around here think. Maybe we could make an RFA – RFA deal.

    Maybe Nick Schultz could have some trade value, but performance/salary doesn’t look too good.

    UFA’s Petrell, Jones, Smithson, Whitney, Sutton and Khabibuin shouldn’t and won’t be back. Fistric may be back as an extra defenseman, if he’s open to a team-friendly deal and the Oilers can find a taker for Potter.

    The Oilers should bite the bullet and release Belanger, Eager and Hordichuk, since we won’t get anything of value for them. As far as I know we can do this without wasting an amnesty buyout for such small short-term contracts. If not, bury all three in the AHL.

    Again, Horcoff and Smyth should be our amnesty buyouts, Smyth due to his lack of fitness, and Horcoff for cap reasons, and culture-change reasons.

    RFA’s Paajarvj and Hartikainen should be qualified and re-signed, Peckham let go and at best look for a decent trade of Gagner for another RFA. If nothing’s there, re-sign him for 2 years.

    That leaves us the 5 kids, Lander, Brown, Smid, Petry, N. Schultz and Dubnyk.

    Lander should play in the AHL and be used as a call-up. That leaves us:

    Hall – RNH – Eberle
    XX – Gagner – Yakupov
    Paajarvi – XX – XX
    Hartikainen – XX – Brown

    XX – J, Schultz
    Smid – Petry
    N. Schultz – XX
    Fistric

    Dubnyk – XX

    Needs:

    Backup/Tandem Goalie
    1st or 2nd D, 6th D.
    Big, skilled 2nd line LW, 3rd line C, 3rd line RW and 4th line C.

    I still think RFA/UFA is the better bet to fix this team than trades, since we’d need to send one of the 5 kids to get anything gamebreaking, and there are a good amount of players available in FA to fill all those spots except #1/2 D.

    Depending on if Gagner is moved or not, draft a big C or a big D in the first round.

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