HERE COMES THE SUN

The Edmonton Oiler players have lived up to their end of the bargain, now it’s time for management to do their part–add smartly to a solid young team, and if possible acquire players who will stick around awhile.

The roster holes are the following:

  1. Veteran puck moving defenseman (LH)
  2. Center
  3. Power forward (Oilers stated need)

I would put “2-way winger like Lars Eller” in there instead of the PF, but Edmonton is conducting a hard target search in every gas station, residence, warehouse, farm house, henhouse, outhouse and dog house for a power forward. Something Darren Dreger said on Team 1260 this morning his me a little worried; Dreger said

  • the national media wants to include Magnus Paajarvi in every trade, but the only way that happens is in a package for that PF the Oilers want so badly.

If Steve Tambellini deals Paajarvi now–when he’s delivering at such an impressive level–then the Oilers are doomed. Paajarvi is going to be a reasonable contract next year and can slide into multiple slots in the batting order. He’s a roadrunner, meaning the style of play  that the coach wants is perfectly suited to MPS.

Sincerely hope this doesn’t happen.


With the win, sports club  stats has Edmonton at 28.9% to make the post-season, but that could jump quickly. St. Louis is ahead by a point with a game in hand, and have a 73.7% chance of making it. Keep winning, that’ll fix everything. I think the target teams have to be Detroit, San Jose and Vancouver. Oilers need only one of those teams to falter (while continuing this winning streak) and things could look much better even a week from today.

Get that defenseman.

I mentioned this awhile back, but Steve Tambellini needed to trade for a center in the days following the Horcoff/Belanger injury. It’s impossible to put a number on points lost, but any fool can see what a difference #10 makes to the lineup. Opportunity missed in a big, big way.

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Remember that old Sesame Street song “one of these things…”? Ryan Whitney has played better in recent games but this is the #1 area to address at the deadline.

Taylor Hall is killing it at evens. Here are the 5×5/60 leaders so far this season:

  1. Sid Crosby 4.19
  2. Eric Staal 3.73
  3. Chris Kunitz 3.67
  4. Nazem Kadri 3.64
  5. Matt Cullen 3.22
  6. Jonathan Toews 3.14
  7. Taylor Hall 3.10

Even more impressive–he is third in western conference scoring, and the western conference doesn’t have many easy outs this season.  Hall is  an outstanding NHL player and he’s 21. Wow.

And you know what? In two years we’re going to be talking about Nail Yakupov in the same way we’re discussing today. Thank you, baby Jesus!

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  1. Peacecountry says:

    I love how Yakupov is sliding in under the radar. I think the way RK is using him is terrific. When Hall and Eberle came onto the team there was no where to hide them. I know a lot of people think that Yakupov is having a dissapointing season but more than anything is shows the extra depth on the team and a change in coaching philosophy. IMO

  2. Ben says:

    Here’s hoping that nagging Hemmer injury is enough to keep him from getting moved. Someone should sprain MPS’s pinky.

  3. spoiler says:

    Paajarvi could be traded straight across for Couturier. Similar draft pedigree. MPS showing a little more but SC is a centre.

    Throw in Khabby for Leighton… He can put his mentoring skills to fixing Bryzgalov’s head.

  4. Thiru says:

    The success of this team with Horcoff is more of a testament to what he brings than it is an indictment of management, IMO.

    This is a contending season for the Canucks, and they were unable to replace Kessler. Not saying the two players are comparable, but I think it does tell us something about the market for a good, strong, 2-way C.

  5. Woodguy says:

    I mentioned this awhile back, but Steve Tambellini needed to trade for a center in the days following the Horcoff/Belanger injury. It’s impossible to put a number on points lost, but any fool can see what a difference #10 makes to the lineup. Opportunity missed in a big, big way.

    While a replacement wouldn’t be in Horcoff categroy, here is the Oilers results with and without 10.

    With 11-4-3 .694 pts%

    Without 4-9-4 .353pts%

    Its ridiculous.

    The .694 would have the Oilers leading the NW Division and full value for 3rd in NW.

    This is very simplistic, but it shows the point.

    If the Oilers fail to make the playoffs, its all on management for sitting on their hands.

    Standings today:

    CHICAGO 0.814
    ANAHEIM 0.736
    MINNESOTA 0.629
    LOS ANGELES 0.614
    VANCOUVER 0.611
    SAN JOSE 0.600
    DETROIT 0.569
    ST LOUIS 0.559
    ————————————
    EDMONTON 0.529
    COLUMBUS 0.514
    DALLAS 0.500
    NASHVILLE 0.500
    PHOENIX 0.486
    CALGARY 0.441
    COLORADO 0.400

    We really need to pin our hopes on:

    -Jbo and Leopold can’t help the goalies stop the puck and Elliott (.859) and Allen (.906) continue to be sub optimal.
    -DET to fall off the map

    In their last 10 games:
    EDM 6-2-2 .700
    STL is 5-5-0 .500
    DET is 6-4-0 .600

    Put all the pins into your STL voodoo dolls.

    The bonus there is that Feaster’s 1st round pick gets pushed back a year!!!

    Haha!! Oh Hockey Gords please let that happen.

    If management didn’t ignore the damn holes they probably be there.

    Also,

    You cannot win a Paajarvi trade right now. He’s too cheap, can play anywhere in the line up, and is just starting to figure out the game. You won’t win as he doesn’t bring his future value back at all.

    Keep Magnus please.

  6. Woodguy says:

    Peacecountry:
    I love how Yakupov is sliding in under the radar.I think the way RK is using him is terrific.When Hall and Eberle came onto the team there was no where to hide them.I know a lot of people think that Yakupov is having a dissapointing season but more than anything is shows the extra depth on the team and a change in coaching philosophy.IMO

    4 and 14 played most of their rookie year with 10.

    Now that 64 is with 10 he’s loving life too.

    10 is under paid.

  7. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    Paajarvi could be traded straight across for Couturier. Similar draft pedigree. MPS showing a little more but SC is a centre.

    Throw in Khabby for Leighton… He can put his mentoring skills to fixing Bryzgalov’s head.

    I love MPS, but I do that in a heartbeat.

    Don’t think PHI does though.

  8. spoiler says:

    spoiler:
    Paajarvi could be traded straight across for Couturier. Similar draft pedigree. MPS showing a little more but SC is a centre.

    Throw in Khabby for Leighton… He can put his mentoring skills to fixing Bryzgalov’s head.

    Not saying I would do the first paragraph, but I could see it happening.

  9. Vince says:

    Glad you mentioned the Horc injury. If the Oilers miss by 2 or 3 points the lesson should be depth. If there was some answer to losing Horc for those few weeks those extra points could have been had.

  10. sliderule says:

    The center should come from draft Lazar,Horvat or Wennberg.

    What wrong with Marcinin?His boxes 25 pts and plus of 18 scream top prospect.
    On the Nation site you mention he is playing third pairing is that info from someone in the know?

    The power forward will be this summer and I am afraid it will be someone on the steep downside.

  11. godot10 says:

    Paajarvi is in the state-of-becoming the power forward the Oilers need. He hasn’t learned to be mean yet. But now that he has found the blue paint, he will eventually get sick of other people pounding him, and he will start taking numbers and pounding back. One of these days, he is going to explode into a defensemen, and it isn’t going to be pretty for that defensemen. Paajarvi hasn’t learned that he can hit back yet. That he can be the meanest, toughest hombre on the block, because along with his PF size, he has the speed and skating ability most PF’s don’t have, and that he will be able to exact pounds-of-flesh.

    Please Lowe-MacT-Tambellini Have a little patience.

  12. godot10 says:

    spoiler:
    Paajarvi could be traded straight across for Couturier. Similar draft pedigree. MPS showing a little more but SC is a centre.

    Throw in Khabby for Leighton… He can put his mentoring skills to fixing Bryzgalov’s head.

    I think Philly is planning on using Couturier to get Bobby Ryan. A trade that works for both Philly and Anaheim.

  13. spoiler says:

    Thiru:
    The success of this team with Horcoff is more of a testament to what he brings than it is an indictment of management, IMO.

    This is a contending season for the Canucks, and they were unable to replace Kessler. Not saying the two players are comparable, but I think it does tell us something about the market for a good, strong, 2-way C.

    This. Not to mention neither Paajarvi nor Yak nor the kids were showing what they are showing now.

    And…

    Horcoff’s prognosis extended part way through his injury. No one originally knew he would be out that long.

    But the agenda around these parts is to find any possible fault with management they can. Justifies these blogs’ existence.

    Me, I just let whiners whine.

    ;op

  14. Genjutsu says:

    Woodguy:
    I mentioned this awhile back, but Steve Tambellini needed to trade for a center in the days following the Horcoff/Belanger injury. It’s impossible to put a number on points lost, but any fool can see what a difference #10 makes to the lineup. Opportunity missed in a big, big way.

    While a replacement wouldn’t be in Horcoff categroy, here is the Oilers results with and without 10.

    With 11-4-3 .694 pts%

    Without 4-9-4 .353pts%

    Its ridiculous.

    The .694 would have the Oilers leading the NW Division and full value for 3rd in NW.

    This is very simplistic, but it shows the point.

    If the Oilers fail to make the playoffs, its all on management for sitting on their hands.

    Standings today:

    CHICAGO0.814
    ANAHEIM0.736
    MINNESOTA0.629
    LOS ANGELES0.614
    VANCOUVER0.611
    SAN JOSE0.600
    DETROIT0.569
    ST LOUIS0.559
    ————————————
    EDMONTON0.529
    COLUMBUS0.514
    DALLAS0.500
    NASHVILLE0.500
    PHOENIX0.486
    CALGARY0.441
    COLORADO0.400

    We really need to pin our hopes on:

    -Jbo and Leopold can’t help the goalies stop the puck and Elliott (.859) and Allen (.906)continue to be sub optimal.
    -DET to fall off the map

    In their last 10 games:
    EDM 6-2-2 .700
    STL is 5-5-0 .500
    DET is 6-4-0 .600

    Put all the pins into your STL voodoo dolls.

    The bonus there is that Feaster’s 1st round pick gets pushed back a year!!!

    Haha!! Oh Hockey Gords please let that happen.

    If management didn’t ignore the damn holes they probably be there.

    Also,

    You cannot win a Paajarvi trade right now.He’s too cheap, can play anywhere in the line up, and is just starting to figure out the game.You won’t win as he doesn’t bring his future value back at all.

    Keep Magnus please.

    I think St. Louis looks really hard at adding a vet G now that Halak is out. Detroit may not push to get in. I’d pin your hopes on Detroit or San Jose.

    Getting a Horcoff replacement would have cost a dear price at that point of the season. I would have cost us a first to get a guy that could hoe the row.

    Two of the top 5 Cs out with another playing with broken toes of that road trip killed us.

    If Tambo made that move and we still missed, a real possibility, we wouldn’t be calling for his head we’d be sitting here with his severed head on the capet.

  15. Woodguy says:

    spoiler,

    Not having depth is worth whining about.

    They lost the 3-4-5 C’s on the depth chart and CVV was struggling.

    Inaction cost them.

  16. delooper says:

    Woodguy:
    spoiler,
    Not having depth is worth whining about.

    They lost the 3-4-5 C’s on the depth chart and CVV was struggling.

    Inaction cost them.

    Action frequently costs people, too. There’s a question of whether or not there was an action available where the benefits outweighed the costs, and that has not been addressed. It’s something that probably never can be since we don’t have the facts.

  17. Bar_Qu says:

    spoiler,

    The question of whether Connolly was a better replacement C than CVV was out there at the time. He would have cost nothing and could have been waived once he wasn’t needed.

    I agree the management tirades can be off the rails, but this is a valid complaint.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    It makes me want to puke that A Hall and J Jok were available for nothing. If they both go on waivers it means KL and ST could have found a way to send a pick of some description in exchange for them well before it came to that.

    When the C-atastrophe happened (Horcov, Belanger, Lander) options were available, cheap options. Instead we got VDV and Smyth out of position.

    What’s worse is the lack of learning. OK, you stay pat, you don’t pull the trigger on a minor trade for need and you see the results: abject failure. Instead of learning the lesson — centre depth is important and options are available — you pass when A Hall and then J Jok go on waivers… i.e., you don’t even need to spend a pick or a prospect.

    The whole situation is mind-boggling.

    Esp. when the contemporaneous action of mgt. is to target Volpatti and then Brown.

    INSANE!!!

    Never forget, success is the enemy of terrible people. The playoffs are our enemy.

  19. bookje says:

    WG- I don’t know that the problem was fixable when 10 went down given the market. However, they could Have had a little more depth in the system In anticipation of such injuries. Horcoff is terrible anyway, all of the callers to talk shows make that pretty clear.

  20. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Genjutsu: I think St. Louis looks really hard at adding a vet G now that Halak is out. Detroit may not push to get in. I’d pin your hopes on Detroit or San Jose.

    Getting a Horcoff replacement would have cost a dear price at that point of the season. I would have cost us a first to get a guy that could hoe the row.

    I think you are right about the playoff race… but adding parts doesn’t always equal success… contingency always has its own plans.

    On the C-replacement:

    No it wouldn’t.

    Two solid Cs came up on waivers right after the C-atastrophe. They would have been available before that for cheap.

    and Connolly is still sitting in the AHL.

  21. Clay says:

    Yak is flying under the radar, but Schultz may be even more so. His full-season pace is now at 82, 14-30-44. That’s an outstanding year for any dman, let alone a rookie. It would have been good for 12th in dman scoring last year, and it would’ve been the highest rookie dman total by 14 points (Gardiner 75, 7-23-30).

    Schultz will be a legit top-pairing dman by the time this team is contending. It’s something that the organization simply didn’t have anywhere in the pipeline, and would’ve cost at least a first round pick + top level prospect to acquire otherwise.

    As much as the first overall picks have helped the team, they were more or less gained intentionally by losing on purpose. Schultz is unexpected manna from heaven.

  22. Woodguy says:

    delooper: Action frequently costs people, too.There’s a question of whether or not there was an action available where the benefits outweighed the costs, and that has not been addressed.It’s something that probably never can be since we don’t have the facts.

    My narrative says you can always improve.

    Adam Hall was available.

  23. jdubbs says:

    @woodguy If the Oilers fail to make the playoffs, its all on management for sitting on their hands.

    Lowe needs something (just cause) to replace dithers if they don’t make the playoffs, this is it.

    Mark Streit not going to sign an extension, that could that be the LH vet d-man? does he and Kruger have good history for playing on Swiss national team? maybe he can make the call.

  24. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    WG- I don’t know that the problem was fixable when 10 went down given the market.However, they could Have had a little more depth in the system In anticipation of such injuries.Horcoff is terrible anyway,all of the callers to talk shows make that pretty clear.

    I’m not talking about picking up a 3C.

    I’m talking about calling the other GM’s and see which C’s are available cheap as a stop gap.

    Guys who have actually played in the NHL that won’t bleed too bad.

    Instead CVV gets pounded and poor old 94 is slogging at C lost for a while.

  25. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bar_Qu:
    spoiler,

    The question of whether Connolly was a better replacement C than CVV was out there at the time. He would have cost nothing and could have been waived once he wasn’t needed.

    I agree the management tirades can be off the rails, but this is a valid complaint.

    Pick up Tim Connolly’s $4.75 MM cap hit (& $4.0 MM salary) to be a stopgap for a few games?

    Sure, the guy writing the cheques would be thrilled. “Cost nothing”?! I don’t think so.

    Connolly has been very mediocre in the AHL and by all appearances at this distance is very close to done. Not to mention that if you think Tim Connolly is the ANSWER to an injury bug at centre maybe you don’t know his history. He likely would have pulled an oblique muscle hailing a cab at Edmonton International.

    A more logical pick-up would have been the likes of Adam Hall, a clear upgrade on CVV at an affordable price. Realistically, though, how many standings points difference do you suppose he would have made? Maybe 1?

  26. raventalon40 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Pick up Tim Connolly’s $4.75 MM cap hit (& $4.0 MM salary) to be a stopgap for a few games?

    Sure, the guy writing the cheques would be thrilled. “Cost nothing”?! I don’t think so.

    Belanger for Jokinen straight up, if Carolina eats a quarter if his salary.

    “Okay fine, they can have Darcy Hordichuk too. Only since you insisted Jim. What do you mean you don’t want Darcy Hordichuk either?”

    =)

  27. Thiru says:

    Here’s a look at Whitney’s CORSI over the past 10 games. I’ve included the worst D in brackets (this is simplistic; obviously guys like Smid/Petry play tougher minutes, so keep that in mind).

    WIN – Calgary // -8 (Worst D – Smid/Petry -15)
    WIN – Vancouver / +5 (Worst D- Schultz/Schultz -8)
    WIN – Columbus // +2 (Worst D – Petry -8)
    WIN – St. Louis // -16 (Worst D)
    LOSS – Nashville // (DNP; Fistric was +5, J Schultz -7)
    LOSS – St. Louis // -11 (Worst D Petry -14)
    OTL – San Jose // -5 (Worst D; T. Hall and Hemsky -10 and -13 Yikes!)
    WIN – Nashville // -13 (Worst D; Paajarvi -12 Yikes!)
    WIN – Detroit // -3 (Worst D)
    WIN – Colorado // -1 (Worst D Smid/Potter -4)

    This is a flawed player, and I think we can all agree on that.

    My question is the following: is he getting better? If you look at the season number that LT posted, he’s by far the worst amongst the regular D. This last 10 games, though, he’s been…well not good, by any stretch, but certainly not horrible. St. Louis had their way with him, but otherwise he’s been okay-ish (For Whitney).

    This is a guy that helps on the PP as well, so we should factor that in.

    If someone offers 2 2nd rounders for him, I think you have to bite. A 2nd and a 3rd, sure.

    Anything less, I think you hold onto him. Ideally, I think Tambo should acquire a Hedja type and slot Whitney in as a PP specialist with butter soft EV strength minutes.

  28. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers continue to use the survival of the fittest model. Now that the talent’s starting to emerge, everyone’s in a new panic situation; for example some dolt wants to trade away Pajaarvi for magic beans in the form of Couturier who’s got how many points this season? 2 goals and 7 assists?

    No thanks. Thanks, but no thanks.

  29. Thiru says:

    I think Bruce nailed it, here.

    Adam Hall would’ve been an upgrade, but this is 4th line center we’re talking about.

    In the spirit of Vic Ferrari, patron saint of Oilerdom, “Who Cares?”

  30. Thiru says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers continue to use the survival of the fittest model. Now that the talent’s starting to emerge, everyone’s in a new panic situation; for example some dolt wants to trade away Pajaarvi for magic beans in the form of Couturier who’s got how many points this season? 2 goals and 7 assists?

    No thanks. Thanks, but no thanks.

    Yeah count me out, too.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    Flames fans will be talking about acquiring Couturier for the next 10 years.

    And Feaster’s eating a hearty breakfast today.

  32. raventalon40 says:

    I think the acquisition of Jussi Jokinen should be a priority. He’s a proven faceoff specialist who has the ability to move up in the lineup if injuries occur, and depth is a necessity given any playoff team. Adam Hall would not have the same resume. I think clearly Carolina is trying to move him as well.

  33. jonrmcleod says:

    With the Blues’ acquisitions of Leopold and Bouwmeester, Piere LeBrun writes that Ian Cole and/or Kris Russell might be available. I don’t know much about either player, but I looked up their stats on Behind the Net and Cole seems to be doing well. (But it’s hard to believe that St. Louis would trade with Edmonton right now.)

    Khabibulin for Cole? :)

  34. raventalon40 says:

    jonrmcleod:
    With the Blues’ acquisitions of Leopold and Bouwmeester, Piere LeBrun writes that Ian Cole and/or Kris Russell might be available. I don’t know much about either player, but I looked up their stats on Behind the Net and Cole seems to be doing well. (But it’s hard to believe that St. Louis would trade with Edmonton right now.)

    Khabibulin for Cole?

    Ian White should also be available.

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Connolly’s a curious case to be sure. Guy with both a history of scoring and injuries that’s lost the confidence of this team and has dropped off in scoring.

    He’s no answer to anything definitive. But I’d wager he’d be an upgrade on VDV and Smyth out of position.

    Besides, as you mention, Hall is the better option who was definitely available (as was J. Jok).

    I don’t think we need to pretend cleaning up the bottom of the roster will work miracles to suggest it could still have a profound impact on the team.

    Thiru:
    I think Bruce nailed it, here.

    Adam Hall would’ve been an upgrade, but this is 4th line center we’re talking about.

    In the spirit of Vic Ferrari, patron saint of Oilerdom, “Who Cares?”

    Watching those games… I don’t think it is a stretch to say that having boat anchors as your 3 and 4 Cs has an impact that mgt. should care about.

  36. LMHF#1 says:

    *Insert annual call to acquire Jaromir Jagr here*

    Still a valid proposition.

  37. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Thiru: OTL – San Jose // -5 (Worst D; T. Hall and Hemsky -10 and -13 Yikes!)
    WIN – Nashville // -13 (Worst D; Paajarvi -12 Yikes!)

    why are you including Fs here?

  38. FPB94 says:

    LT: Lars Eller’s actually a natural centre. Please don’t take him away.

    sliderule:
    The center should come from draft Lazar,Horvat or Wennberg.

    What wrong with Marcinin?His boxes 25 pts and plus of 18 scream top prospect.
    On the Nation site you mention he is playing third pairing is that info from someone in the know?

    The power forward will be this summer and I am afraid it will be someone on the steep downside.

    Named 2 of the 3 guys who shouldn’t be drafted in the first round. Kerby Rychel or Nicholas Petan (altough small the latter. If to draft a guy who’s scoring at a very borderline pace i’d rather have the guy who’s 6”5 (Frederik Gauthier).

    Still locking in on Anthony Mantha. Guy got 50 regular season goals and now he’s got 11 points in 6 playoffs games.

  39. spoiler says:

    godot10: I think Philly is planning on using Couturier to get Bobby Ryan. A trade that works for both Philly and Anaheim.

    That is the rumour I have heard too.

    Was merely presenting a scenario in response to LT’s lede, where a Paajarvi trade might be acceptable and even make some sense.

  40. OilClog says:

    Tampa just reacquired Hall for Bergeron… ummmm.

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    LMHF#1:
    *Insert annual call to acquire Jaromir Jagr here*

    Still a valid proposition.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419676

    apparently he’s on the market!

  42. denny33 says:

    godot10,

    Not to sure you can ‘teach’ being mean…..

  43. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    OilClog:
    Tampa just reacquired Hall for Bergeron… ummmm.

    that’s a quick way to make a buck!

    “sure I’ll hold your center for a while, but at a premium”

  44. pboy says:

    The Tampa Bay Lightning have traded defenceman Marc-Andre Bergeron to the Carolina Hurricanes for forward Adam Hall and a seventh round draft pick. As per TSN.

  45. spoiler says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Pick up Tim Connolly’s $4.75 MM cap hit (& $4.0 MM salary) to be a stopgap for a few games? Sure, the guy writing the cheques would be thrilled. “Cost nothing”?! I don’t think so. Connolly has been very mediocre in the AHL and by all appearances at this distance is very close to done. Not to mention that if you think Tim Connolly is the ANSWER to an injury bug at centre maybe you don’t know his history. He likely would have pulled an oblique muscle hailing a cab at Edmonton International. A more logical pick-up would have been the likes of Adam Hall, a clear upgrade on CVV at an affordable price. Realistically, though, how many standings points difference do you suppose he would have made? Maybe 1?

    Exactly. Not to mention this would have to happen at the point when they knew Horc was out for longer. Ie pointless.

    Meanwhile, the top 6 is getting out-scored, Yak is still trying to fit-in on and off the ice, Paajarvi has yet to see the light, Whitney is still learning his new 100%, and they’re not quite sure what they have in PFC Schultz yet.

    This is one of the more ridiculous criticisms of management I have ever seen. I mean I understand it. People just want to rip on stuff, otherwise we wouldn’t have had radio phone-in shows for years before the Al Gorenet. But anyone who doesn’t think there’s a natural bias against management (in every hockey city) is I think pretty naive.

  46. OilClog says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: that’s a quick way to make a buck!

    “sure I’ll hold your center for a while, but at a premium”

    “Hey Steve, Rutherford here.. I found this little guy out back rustling around in the garbages.. if you’d like him back, I’d gladly take an undersized hip checking french man for him”

    “Hi Jim, called my other buddy Steve, he patted me on the back and told me to go for it!”

    “Steve, do you think you could get Steve to call me?”

  47. Jordan says:

    Would Streit be an upgrade on Whitney? If we can trade Whitney to Boston, would it be worthwhile to make that move, and then trade one of of our #8 Dmen and one of our former first round defense prospects not named Kleffbom and a draft pick (2014 2nd/3rd?) for Streit to fill out our top 4? Is he worth that much?

  48. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: I’m not talking about picking up a 3C.I’m talking about calling the other GM’s and see which C’s are available cheap as a stop gap.Guys who have actually played in the NHL that won’t bleed too bad.Instead CVV gets pounded and poor old 94 is slogging at C lost for a while.

    That worked out real well for the Canucks, didn’t it?

    The media kept going on and on throughout the season how every team was looking to pick up Centre depth because most of teams were pretty thin. There were very few options and they were expensive. And Hall is a nobody whose marginal difference to the roster likely would have made no difference to the standings. ASSUMING management knew Horc was going to be gona as long as he was, which they didn’t.

    What you are actually complaining about is perceived inaction.

    And if they had taken action, say overpaid on a reasonable bet and it didn’t work out, you’d all be here complaining about pro scouting or something similar, the same way some people here whine about the Belanger signing.

  49. denny33 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Agreed.

    And why sacrifice *anything* at this point in our teams development…

    Love the teams latest streak but Vancouver and Calgary don’t look like great benchmarks.

    Vancouver does not have a 2nd line that I can see and Daniel Sedin is 38th in NHL scoring.

    And Calgary has just removed their captain and best defenceman….

    So, I am not reading too much into our teams streak. ( this glass is half full ! )

    I realize I am going against the grain here – but I would shed players for picks and build for our true window of competing for a cup.

    As others have pointed out – the asking prices are RIDICULOUS at this time of the year. Insane.

    Regher for two – 2nd round picks – Once he clears a physical!! Insane.

    Let us be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.

    Hey – in three years we can talk about adding pieces.

    I realize there is now a *local* love in for Horcoff and he has performed well but he is 35 and same with 37 year old Ryan Smyth.

    Unless I am mistaken – we do not have replacements in the pipeline for those players.

    2013 is not our window of opportunity. Even if we held 8th spot down I would be saying this…

  50. rickithebear says:

    You win games by playing the best results players in given situations.

    A big minutes player does not mean good player.

    At even Bouwmeester is not a good player. 3.37GA/60 that is brutal.

  51. delooper says:

    That picture of Yakupov looks like Soviet propaganda. The sturdy, happy farm-boy image.

  52. Lois Lowe says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Pick up Tim Connolly’s $4.75 MM cap hit (& $4.0 MM salary) to be a stopgap for a few games?

    Sure, the guy writing the cheques would be thrilled. “Cost nothing”?! I don’t think so.

    So much this. I have my doubts that the Oilers or Katz want to pick up any player that’s going to need to be buried in the minors or given a compliance buy out in the summer at significant cost. That *may* be good hockey sense, but it is a terrible business practice when the likelihood of getting enough playoff revenue to offset the costs is low.

  53. nelson88 says:

    spoiler,

    Don’t mess with the narrative. The only thing keeping the 2012 -2013 version of Hall, Schutlz jr., Eberle, RNH, Yak, MPS (and Hemsky for some) from winning the stanley cup is the rest of the damn team (how many iterations of it have we tried?) brought about by stupid management.

    I’m as big a fan of the young studs as anyone and will be the first to agree that Oiler management has been mediocre at best but the bar set by the “20/20 hindsight” standard is getting a bit unreasonable. It’s making the MSM look rational by comparison.

    WG: note that no where in this post did I say “Hall is the problem”

  54. Mr DeBakey says:

    I have my doubts that the Oilers or Katz want to pick up any player that’s going to need to be buried in the minors or given a compliance buy out in the summer at significant cost.

    Connolly is UFA after this season.

    As for thrilling the cheque writer, I’ve got three words:
    The Big Sexy

    I hope, at least, that the Oilers sent Semenko out to check on Connolly’s AHL progress after Horcov went down.

  55. bookje says:

    delooper:
    That picture of Yakupov looks like Soviet propaganda.The sturdy, happy farm-boy image.

    Here is an original Soviet Poster to compare it to

    The smile and looking off in the distance features are key in giving it that look.

  56. jake70 says:

    Derek Roy to Vancouver – for prospect (+ pick?) – per Kypreos.

  57. Bruce McCurdy says:

    raventalon40: Belanger for Jokinen straight up, if Carolina eats a quarter if his salary.

    “Okay fine, they can have Darcy Hordichuk too. Only since you insisted Jim. What do you mean you don’t want Darcy Hordichuk either?”

    =)

    I like that, or Eager for Jokinen too. Got to trade a contract to take a contract.

    Not sure that Jussi was available six weeks ago, IIRC he was waived about 5 minutes after Carolina committed long-term to Semin and shedding salary became a priority. These things don’t happen in a vacuum.

  58. ashley says:

    Hall is crazy. On that first goal, it was all him. We lose control of the puck to the end boards. Wideman is 4 feet from the puck/endboards, Hall is 12 feet+, at least 2 strides behind Wideman, and at a near standstill. The Flames players begin to relax and position themselves for the breakout, but in the blink of an eye, Hall is at the boards with Wideman. If that’s not enough to make me say “Did I just see that?”, he, incredibly, wins the puck cleanly and skates away with it. The Flames are out of position, Schultz is wide open for a shot on goal from the slot. (Oddly, Giordano backs away from Schultz).

    And he does that every shift. What a player. He may not have the best hands, but can he ever deliver.

    After the loss to the Flames in game 4, I wrote:

    ashley (on January 26):
    - Hall is not as good as whatever fancy stats are telling us. There is a bug in the stats. I think he has the puck on his stick a lot, and somehow that shows up on the stats, but he has very poor hands relatively speaking (and I mean relative to what a #1 pick should have). Worse, he makes very poor decisions when the Oilers are threatening with numbers. The combination results in the play dying on his stick over and over again. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be for his linemates.

    He won’t be able to fix his hands, but he needs to be smarter out there. I would put him as maybe the 6th or 7th best player on the team. I have waltzed into the lion’s den, as I know many on this blog think of him as the very best on this team. It hurts me too, but my eyes are not lying to me. It’s not just saw him bad. He’s in his 3rd year now.

    He has made me eat every word of that, and I have never enjoyed being wrong this much before, and so wrong. He’s playing smart hockey, with great decisions at an elite level.

    More than that, I am starting to really believe in the fancy stats. They tell us things about players that we can’t easily see with our eyes and remember. Our brains are plagued by recency bias and don’t add up the total weight of good and bad delivered by a player very well. I’m a believer.

    I’m still not sure about the playoffs, but If we get the next win, I’m going to initiate the process of getting my hopes up.

  59. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    “Khabibulin for Cole?”

    jonrmcleod,

    The .890 version was useful for chasing lottery picks. Sending the .930 version to replace Halak for a short stretch would be a firing offense.

  60. Lois Lowe says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    I have my doubts that the Oilers or Katz want to pick up any player that’s going to need to be buried in the minors or given a compliance buy out in the summer at significant cost.

    Connolly is UFA after this season.

    As for thrilling the cheque writer, I’ve got three words:
    The Big Sexy

    Neither of those things are a counter argument to my point.

  61. Gerta Rauss says:

    jake70:
    Derek Roy to Vancouver – for prospect(+ pick?) – per Kypreos.

    Sounds like Jagr will be moved as well-if Dallas is having a fire sale I wonder if Vern Fiddler is available-Belanger would save them a couple of bucks.

  62. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    “Get that defenseman”

    Lowetide,

    With the other choice being waiting we know Steve will wait to see how Klefbom’s shoulder looks in the fall. And if that works out Tanbellini will rest some more on his pile of ’07-’12 #1s. He’ll even have an anagram for that. Everything’s phenghky. Just phengky.

  63. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    I have my doubts that the Oilers or Katz want to pick up any player that’s going to need to be buried in the minors or given a compliance buy out in the summer at significant cost.

    Connolly is UFA after this season.

    As for thrilling the cheque writer, I’ve got three words:
    The Big Sexy

    Yeah, the problem with Connolly wasn’t next year, it was this year. But >$2 million real dollars worth of (somebody else’s) problem.

    Besides, the optics are terrible. To take on a guy who would be third in the team in cap hit behind only Horcoff and Hemsky under such circumstances would be problematic on a number of fronts. “Yeah Ladi, I know we’re paying a dude $4 MM to sit in the press box/play in OKC, but we want you to keep putting your balls to the wall for $3.5.” Apples and oranges, I know, but let’s just say it hasn’t been Tambellini’s style to take on water on the salary front.

  64. spoiler says:

    If it’s going to be a hockey trade, I think there is only one target that the Braintrust should have in their sights: Yandle.

    What brings Yandle?

    Say Whitney to BOS for the apparently requisite two 2nd rounders.

    BOS two 2nds, EDM 2014 1st, Jones & Marinicin/Rajala (their choice)…

    Does that get it done? Is it an overpay? Can Phoenix get more elsewhere (a scoring true top 6 winger with reasonable $s and term)? Would they prefer Bishop to a scoring forward?

  65. prairieschooner says:

    Roy to Nucks

  66. spoiler says:

    prairieschooner: Roy to Nucks

    For a 2nd and Dman Kevin Connauton (23 yo in AHL)

    Gotta think Jagr to Bruins is just a matter of time now. Probably for pretty close to the same payment.

  67. Mr DeBakey says:

    To take on a guy who would be third in the team in cap hit behind only Horcoff and Hemsky under such circumstances would be problematic on a number of fronts.

    If he can’t play, he can’y play..

    But, seriously, players are not going to get their noses out of joint because a guy is overpaid in the last year of a contract. [remember Mike Peca, the other Oilers centers fumed all the way to the SCF]

  68. TheOtherJohn says:

    Astonished how many people overrate Yandle. He is a pure O first last and always D man. He plays 2nd and, more typically, 3rd pairing minutes in Phx and 1st PP unit. That is not the missing link in our top 4. Nielson and Fraser were going on and on about him this a.m. and I wanted to ask if they look at where he is playing in Phx’s lineup. Its not his salary that is offputting its where he is playing that turns me off. He is Dick Tarnstrom revisietd

    Friedman’s 30 thoughts identified who we should trade for;Giardano. He is a top pairing guy, better than Boumeester and I suspect the package Spoiler is talking about gets it done. A first, a 2nd and any prospect not named Klefbom

  69. TheOtherJohn says:

    Send Lander to Phx for a resigned Boyd Gordon

  70. spoiler says:

    If Jagr, Whitney, Clowe and Pominville are all traded today, there’s gonna be a whole lot of hours to fill on TSN and SN tomorrow. Just think… a whole day of Robert Luongo speculation!

  71. spoiler says:

    TheOtherJohn: Astonished how many people overrate Yandle. He is a pure O first last and always D man. He plays 2nd and, more typically, 3rd pairing minutes in Phx and 1st PP unit. That is not the missing link in our top 4. Nielson and Fraser were going on and on about him this a.m. and I wanted to ask if they look at where he is playing in Phx’s lineup. Its not his salary that is offputting its where he is playing that turns me off. He is Dick Tarnstrom revisietdFriedman’s 30 thoughts identified who we should trade for;Giardano. He is a top pairing guy, better than Boumeester and I suspect the package Spoiler is talking about gets it done. A first, a 2nd and any prospect not named Klefbom

    No way Feaster trades Giordano to the Oilers. It would mean his job.

    But I agree that Giordano > Yandle. I think the deal I outlined is an overpay, but that is probably on the order of what it would take, if there’s a Yandle Sweeps.

  72. spoiler says:

    TheOtherJohn: Send Lander to Phx for a resigned Boyd Gordon

    Gordon could be had for a lot less… possibly nothing in the summer.

  73. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: That worked out real well for the Canucks, didn’t it?

    The media kept going on and on throughout the season how every team was looking to pick up Centre depth because most of teams were pretty thin.There were very few options and they were expensive.And Hall is a nobody whose marginal difference to the roster likely would have made no difference to the standings.ASSUMING management knew Horc was going to be gona as long as he was, which they didn’t.

    What you are actually complaining about is perceived inaction.

    And if they had taken action, say overpaid on a reasonable bet and it didn’t work out, you’d all be here complaining about pro scouting or something similar, the same way some people here whine about the Belanger signing.

    spoiler: Exactly.Not to mention this would have to happen at the point when they knew Horc was out for longer.Ie pointless.

    Meanwhile, the top 6 is getting out-scored, Yak is still trying to fit-in on and off the ice, Paajarvi has yet to see the light, Whitney is still learning his new 100%, and they’re not quite sure what they have in PFC Schultz yet.

    This is one of the more ridiculous criticisms of management I have ever seen.I mean I understand it. People just want to rip on stuff, otherwise we wouldn’t have had radio phone-in shows for years before the Al Gorenet.But anyone who doesn’t think there’s a natural bias against management (in every hockey city) is I think pretty naive.

    I think you guys are under estimating the impact.

    Pointing at VAN and saying “see!” Isn’t logical.

    Therefore no one should trade ever is the logical conclusion.

    Also,

    VAN just picked up Roy from DAL as the 3C/2C

  74. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: I think you guys are under estimating the impact.Pointing at VAN and saying “see!” Isn’t logical.Therefore no one should trade ever is the logical conclusion.Also,VAN just picked up Roy from DAL as the 3C/2C

    That’s not the inference or the conclusion at all. You’re not being logical. The inference is to the state of the market, and that the lack of C depth is not an uncommon problem.

  75. Captain Happy says:

    Woodguy:
    I think you guys are under estimating the impact.

    Pointing at VAN and saying “see!” Isn’t logical.

    Therefore no one should trade ever is the logical conclusion.

    Also,

    VAN just picked up Roy from DAL as the 3C/2C

    Kesler is due back any day now so Roy will play the Malhotra role on the 3rd line.

    That’s been his role in Dallas with 42% O Zone starts (52.8 O Zone finish).

  76. FPB94 says:

    So a perfectly fine Derek Roy nets you a 2nd rounder, and washed up, old, overpaid Robyn Rheghr get you 2 2nd rounders.

    What the hell.

  77. commonfan14 says:

    Makes a ton of sense for Carolina to trade for MAB as part of their playoff push. After all, he’s already won them one Cup…

  78. Captain Happy says:

    FPB94:
    So a perfectly fine Derek Roy nets you a 2nd rounder, and washed up, old, overpaid Robyn Rheghr get you 2 2nd rounders.

    What the hell.

    Kevin Connauton is a very good D prospect.

  79. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,

    “Keep Magnus please.”

    If the return is Kulikov, does your statement change?

  80. spoiler says:

    Jagr to Beantown for two prospects and a pick, details forthcoming.

  81. spoiler says:

    FPB94: So a perfectly fine Derek Roy nets you a 2nd rounder, and washed up, old, overpaid Robyn Rheghr get you 2 2nd rounders. What the hell.

    Farhan Lalji tweet on Roy deal: that’s a steep price to pay for a rental.

  82. TheOtherJohn says:

    Yandle is not a Ist pairing D man we need. Giardano is. EDM is one of the few teams that could seriously jump start & expedite a Flames rebuild.

  83. spoiler says:

    Pronman had Connauton as Van’s 4th best prospect going into this season. Plus skating and tremendous shot (voted top in the WHL his one year there). Played the toughs in the A, and was an All-star.

  84. FPB94 says:

    spoiler,

    Which either means two things:

    A: Farhan Lalji doesn’t know about the market
    B: The Regehr trade is terrible.

    I’l opt for B.

  85. spoiler says:

    FPB94: spoiler, Which either means two things:A: Farhan Lalji doesn’t know about the marketB: The Regehr trade is terrible.I’l opt for B.

    Probably depends on what you think of Connauton.

  86. Ice Sage says:

    spoiler: Pronman had Connauton as Van’s 4th best prospect going into this season. Plus skating and tremendous shot (voted top in the WHL his one year there). Played the toughs in the A, and was an All-star.

    Vcr trading from a place of desperation. Roy will help them get 2-3 playoff games, though.

  87. FPB94 says:

    spoiler,

    He looks okay but seems to have been stagnant for ahwile. If you go 2-3 years back he probably has more value (at least for me)

    It’s fairly standard to see a 2nd round pick for a rental of much lesser importance than Derek Roy.

  88. spoiler says:

    Since Streit is refusing to re-sign, according to reports, is he looking towards his relationship with Krueger?

    Gotta think a Streit rental would be cheaper than Yandle in terms of assets to give up, with a reasonable chance at an extension. Despite the coolness of living in New York, there are drawbacks (so to speak) to living in the ‘hood of Wangville.

  89. FPB94 says:

    If they’re looking for leadership Streit is probably the guy the Oilers’ brass want.

    Class act, never heard him speak about him, never heard him say a bad team, always about the team.

  90. G Money says:

    I’m not sure the management team is going to add much of anything.

    The reasonable expectation at the start of the year was “Meaningful games in April. Playoffs a bonus.”

    Expectation met.

    Anything that compromises long-term development for short-term gain (which is what happens when you give away prospects or picks) would be unwise, and inconsistent with actions so far. (“We’ll trade for goons to protect our young players, otherwise fans that want more can GTFO”).

    As much as I hate to admit it, I am starting to think that Tambowe’s inaction to date really is patience and not dithering. After the Khabi contract, they have avoided giving contracts that hamstring the team. And when looking at signing building blocks that will be part of contending (Hall, Eberle, Smid), they’ve gotten it done.

    I find myself less able to hate them as a result – ouch.

  91. gcw_rocks says:

    “gas station, residence, warehouse, farm house, henhouse, outhouse and dog house ”

    Sam Girrard, from The Fugitive. Great movie.

  92. russ99 says:

    G Money,

    Good point, I can kind of see that. Summer is when the Oilers brass needs to be active in building the roster, they don’t really have to do anything now, unless a clear win is presented.

    However, anybody not in the plans for next year or the near future should be dealt for assets, especially considering some of the (non-Calgary) asking prices that teams are getting. Failure to do so chasing some playoff dream that our core players either will or will not do regardless if we sell a few players or not is folly.

    Are we really a worse team with Potter/Peckham vs. Whitney, Hartikainen vs. Jones and/or Danis vs. Khabibulin?

    I don’t think so.

  93. gcw_rocks says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce, I think you need to take a closer look at Connolly. He wore out his welcome in Toronto, and historically is rumoured to be a bit of a head case, but he has traditionally played well on the PP and PK. Last season he lost his PP time, which hurt his numbers but if I recall correctly, he 5×5 wasn’t that far off considering the ice time he was given. If the Oilers wanted a stop gap cheap (in terms of what it would take to get him), then the only reason not to get him was the $2M. And if that’s the reason, that’s pretty damn disappointing. Not that it matters, they didn’t grab him and we saw what happened.

  94. DBO says:

    Streit is better then Whitney (although his numbers don’t look that great). Only real issue is does it upset the team in the room if they move Whitney? I am happy to upgrade Whitney, but I wonder if they keep Whitney, but play him and Shultz Sr. together, allowing Streit to play with Jr.

    A prospect and a 2nd will do it.
    Still move Belanger and Jones down the line please.

    Hall-Nuge-Ebs
    Paajarvi-Gagner-Hemsky
    Smyth-Horc-Yak
    Petrell-Lander-Brown
    Hartikainen

    Streit-Shultz jr.
    Smid-Petry
    Whitney-Shultz Sr.

    That looks better, and Shultz Sr. can hep the screw ups from Whitney.

    If that is all they did i can handle it. Would still want to upgrade with a physical/gritty two way winger/centre. Or at least an upgrade on Petrell.

  95. spoiler says:

    Two big bodies, Fs Cody Payne and Lane MacDermid from Boston to Dallas for Jagr, no word on the pick yet (but if it’s a 2nd does that mean no Whitney trade, lol?). Payne has more skill, having a decent season with Plymouth, covering his 5th round slot. McDermid is an all Coke machine all the time kind of guy.

  96. Woodguy says:

    OilClog:
    Tampa just reacquired Hall for Bergeron… ummmm.

    Bergeron and CAR just brings up so many emotions.

    *spits*

  97. VanOil says:

    It does seem that there is some debate here about if the Oilers management inability to address depth at center will cost us a playoff spot. I think playing for about a month with Smyth at center speaks for its self, but am willing to accept arguments otherwise. I do think we call all agree about the need to address the depth at center going forward so this does not happen next year.

    Instead of chasing Old boys who might fall off the cliff like Belanger did, or draft picks who need to seasoning, I would prefer to pick up age appropriate centers just starting to figure it out as pros. Guys like Shawn Matthias in Florida, who unfortunately figured it out so well this year he will be to expensive to pick up.

    In honor of the famous LT 3 for one I propose the following; Whitney, Jones and Omark to Detroit for Riley Sheahan. He would also provide the Power Forward frame where it belongs in a 3d of 4th line center. Leaving our top six with the actual high end skill it has now. We could take back Whites contract if they insist.

    Having Lander and Sheahan competing for the Belanger 4th line center spot next year and providing depth for the eventual injuries seems a good plan. If they work out we might have in house replacements available if/when our mighty Russian Captian’s contract expires.

  98. Gerta Rauss says:

    I think Streit would be nice fit but it sounds like the reason he is not signing in NYI is he wants a 3 year deal-not sure if I like the sound of that.

  99. denny33 says:

    FPB94,

    Agreed – Mantha is now in range for the Oil….

  100. DBO says:

    Mackenzie saying the pick is a 2nd that becomes a 1st if the Bruins win two playoff series.

  101. spoiler says:

    VanOil: It does seem that there is some debate here about if the Oilers management inability to address depth at center will cost us a playoff spot. I think playing for about a month with Smyth at center speaks for its self, but am willing to accept arguments otherwise. I do think we call all agree about the need to address the depth at center going forward so this does not happen next year.Instead of chasing Old boys who might fall off the cliff like Belanger did, or draft picks who need to seasoning, I would prefer to pick up age appropriate centers just starting to figure it out as pros. Guys like Shawn Matthias in Florida, who unfortunately figured it out so well this year he will be to expensive to pick up.In honor of the famous LT 3 for one I propose the following; Whitney, Jones and Omark to Detroit for Riley Sheahan. He would also provide the Power Forward frame where it belongs in a 3d of 4th line center. Leaving our top six with the actual high end skill it has now. We could take back Whites contract if they insist.Having Lander and Sheahan competing for the Belanger 4th line center spot next year and providing depth for the eventual injuries seems a good plan. If they work out we might have in house replacements available if/when our mighty Russian Captian’s contract expires.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s any way the Oilers give any help to Detroit right now. Or at least, I wouldn’t.

  102. FPB94 says:

    denny33:
    FPB94,

    Agreed – Mantha is now in range for the Oil….

    I can’t recall the last time a 6”4 50 goal scorer was that low,

  103. spoiler says:

    Speaking of “One of These Things Is Not Like the Others”, why is Kevin Lowe in this picture?

    Tambo moves too fast to snap a good photo? He’s kind of like Carlos the Jackal?

  104. Mr DeBakey says:

    Off-Topic
    I ran up a 13/14 roster on Cap Geek.
    In this scenario, i buy Belanger out.
    I tried to keep the dollar numbers simple.
    They’re for discussion purposes only, as are many of the names:

    Roster Size 23
    Salary Cap $64,300,000
    Salary Cap Payroll $68,509,042
    Bonuses $8,550,000
    Salary Cap Space $613,458 + $825,000 Belanger

    Ryan N.-Hopkins $3,775,000
    Sam Gagner $4,600,000
    Shawn Horcoff $5,500,000
    Anton Lander $900,000
    Kyle Chipchura $775,000
    Marc Pouliot $750,000

    Taylor Hall $6,000,000
    Magnus Paajarvi $1,650,500
    Teemu Hartikainen $926,875
    Ryan Smyth $2,250,000

    Jordan Eberle $6,000,000
    Ales Hemsky $5,000,000
    Nail Yakupov $3,775,000
    Mike Brown $736,667

    Ladislav Smid $3,500,000
    Jeff Petry $1,750,000
    Mark Giordano $4,020,000
    Nick Schultz $3,500,000
    Denis Grebeshkov $2,250,000
    Justin Schultz $3,775,000
    Mark Fistric $1,075,000

    Devan Dubnyk $3,500,000
    Jose Theodore $1,500,000

  105. FastOil says:

    As much as making the playoffs would be fun, I think it’s a mistake to give up anything to squeak in the door and get smoked. Management made their bed by not filling the holes, it’s not time now to change tack for short term gains. I’d like to see all of the UFA’s moved for anything, at all.

    Any moves need a long term view. Moving trade chips now could be a problem this summer when there could be some interesting possibilities. If they could help the ailing Flyers who are only 4 points out and might have a GM under some heat to get in, and pry Couturier from them great, that might be worth it.

    This draft is still really important in building more organizational depth and hopefully finding a good two way centre prospect if they don’t get one now. If they had real balls they’d still start unloading players at these good returns and lay the ground work for the finishing touches, even if it meant harming post season chances. The shortened schedule has created unusual opportunities and the smart teams are making hay. The kids would survive if they miss and the arena still jam packed.

    To go through what we have as fans, come this far and screw up right at the end because management got surprised by it’s team’s talent and good fortune, is not worth a few extra games to me. I’d rather see some strong management and well made moves in the next half year and get a better roster settled, one to move forward with. Next year no excuses.

  106. Lois Lowe says:

    FPB94,

    How is his foot speed? Usually players like that with a “projectable frame” and decent stats have an obvious flaw that scouts point to.

  107. LMHF#1 says:

    FastOil:
    As much as making the playoffs would be fun, I think it’s a mistake to give up anything to squeak in the door and get smoked.

    To go through what we have as fans, come this far and screw up right at the end because management got surprised by it’s team’s talent and good fortune, is not worth a few extra games to me.

    Why in hell would we “get smoked”? Especially if it is Chicago?

    No one’s suggesting to “screw up”. It isn’t like they’re going to go off and trade Eberle and Yakupov for geezers. Why do people react this way when you talk about prudent additions that would help the roster?

    With all the luck-mongers around here, you’d think “make the playoffs as many times as humanly possible” would be the line.

    The idea that you’re either a cup finalist or nothing is just silly.

  108. OilClog says:

    Woodguy: Bergeron and CAR just brings up so many emotions.

    *spits*

    We all knew this day was coming.. thanks for the flashbacks..

  109. WeridAl says:

    The question is do the Oilers go for it and make a ridiculous trade, and hurt their development to be a cup contender, just to make the playoffs this year. Or do they continue to build this team to be a playoff team year after year. Mark Streit is a good offensive D, but that is it. In 82 games last season he was a -27 and in 36 games this season he’s a -15, his offense he would bring is not worth it.
    Anything that is available, would be highly overpriced, and is not worth it.

  110. FPB94 says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Maybe they’re scared he’s being carried by 19 years old Anton Zlobin who has his reversed stats (20 goals and 60 assists), but Mantha’s got 5 more points than Zlobin so far in the playoffs.

    From what I’ve seen from his tape his footspeed is just fine. I don’t know. I’m quite puzzled.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chwgUotURa8

    (I know ”highlights” are not very good source material, but at 15 or so on the 2 on 1 he just blows by his coverage. Just before 1 minute he shows tremendous footspeed again.

    Maybe it’s his location. IIRC no one ever been drafted really high out of Val D’or. Which is really recluse and 3-4 hours from anything else.

  111. WeridAl says:

    Canucks just got tougher, just traded for Roy for a 2nd+Kevin Connauton

  112. denny33 says:

    russ99,

    Simple asset management….and I am amazed that a few wins gets this group thinking along a different line. ( asking for additions now )

    Does anyone here actually think Ryan Whitney will be here for more than just 13 more games?

    Or that Eric Belanger is going to be a feature of the Oilers next year? Same with Khabby?

    I have a feeling we are going to simply walk away from assets.

    Most of the players being dealt this week- will not be playing hockey in mere months. The sarcastic will say Whitney and Regehr have not been playing hockey for months.

    Extraction/Creation of value – where very little exists.

  113. VanOil says:

    spoiler: Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s any way the Oilers give any help to Detroit right now.Or at least, I wouldn’t.

    I agree, but I don’t consider Whitney or Jones help!

  114. DBO says:

    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 46s
    Hearing the Oilers have made a small deal. Edmtn trades Dane Byers to Wash for Garrett Stafford. #tradecentre

    offensive 33 yr old vet ahl dman

  115. Lucinius says:

    Looking at the bunch of trades today… heh. Roy should help Vancouver a fair bit this year. Which is unfortunate. Nice to see Jagr get to go to the playoffs again. Dallas should be out of the playoff mix now. We really need some of these teams to help us out, but they aren’t. Needed San Jose to lose but Vancouver failed (I do not see Vancouver going anywhere past the second round in the playoffs — they just don’t have “it”). Needed Detroit to lose as well, but.. oh well. Bouwmeester should help St. Louis but we really need them to falter.. both to get the Oilers into the playoffs and to move that conditional pick back to next year.

    This year is full of surprises, though. I still hold the Kings, Bruins and Penguins as the Cup favourites, though. I don’t see Anaheim, Vancouver, Minnesota or Montreal being able to beat them.

  116. Lowetide says:

    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 1m
    Hearing the Oilers have made a small deal. Edmtn trades Dane Byers to Wash for Garrett Stafford. #tradecentre

  117. WeridAl says:

    Edmonton trades Dane Byers to Wash for Garrett Stafford, looks like a trade to help out the Barons, Stafford is a RHS offensive D

  118. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 1m
    Hearing the Oilers have made a small deal. Edmtn trades Dane Byers to Wash for Garrett Stafford. #tradecentre

    Who are two people who have never been in my kitchen?

  119. skidplate says:

    Hey I hear we got Garrett Stafford for Dane Byers…..

  120. Jordan says:

    bookje: Who are two people who have never been in my kitchen?

    What is “trades that do not help the Edmonton Oilers” Alex.

  121. bookje says:

    WeridAl: Dane Byers

    This is it, it’s a signal of the 3 for 1 trade coming. It’s a precursor. A sign. A tell. Its about to happen and is going to involve the shipping away of a few bottom feeder defensemen.

    Or its a trade to help out the AHL club.

    One or the other.

  122. khildahl says:

    spoiler: No way Feaster trades Giordano to the Oilers. It would mean his job.

    If he’s kept his job through the Iginla trade and the O’Reilly debacle I doubt trading Giordano would get him fired.

  123. khildahl says:

    bookje: Who are two people who have never been in my kitchen?

    Nice. Love that episode.

    Now I feel old, though.

  124. spoiler says:

    Canucks sign Chris Higgins to a 4 X $2.5M AAV extension.

  125. spoiler says:

    khildahl: If he’s kept his job through the Iginla trade and the O’Reilly debacle I doubt trading Giordano would get him fired.

    To the Oil? I don’t.

  126. commonfan14 says:

    gcw_rocks: “gas station, residence, warehouse, farm house, henhouse, outhouse and dog house ”
    Sam Girrard, from The Fugitive. Great movie.

    Wasn’t there a whorehouse in there somewhere though?

  127. "Steve Smith" says:

    DBO:
    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 46s
    Hearing the Oilers have made a small deal. Edmtn trades Dane Byers to Wash for Garrett Stafford. #tradecentre

    offensive 33 yr old vet ahl dman

    GOD DAMMIT, Tambellini!

  128. nelson88 says:

    Given the negative comparisons on this board and others to the 2009 Blackhawks that won the cup and the consternation about “burning another year of the young guns contracts” I thought it would be interesting to compare the two teams. Sorting is by time on ice and you had to play more than 16 games for the hawks or 5 for the Oilers. I have excluded Byufglien as he is listed as a D but played both that year.

    Player Pts/game +/- Player pts/game +/-
    Toews .89 +22 Gagner .88 -3
    Kane 1.07 +16 RNH .56 +1
    Hossa .89 +24 Eberle .74 -2
    Sharp .80 +24 Hall 1.12 +4
    Bolland .41 +5 Horcoff .44 +3
    Brouwer .51 +9 Hemsky .55 -5
    Versteeg .55 +8 Smyth .23 -3
    Madden .29 -2 Belanger .13 0
    Ladd .46 +2 Yakupov .51 -9
    Fraser .27 +6 Paajarvi .33 -1
    Kopecky .28 +0 Jones .29 0
    Eager .26 +9 Petrell .25 -3

    Keith .84 +21 Petry .25 -1
    Seabrook .38 +20 Schultz Jr .54 -9
    Campbell .55 +18 Smid .09 -2
    Hjalmarrson .22 +9 Schultz Sr .17 -7
    Barker .27 +7 Whitney .41 -5
    Sopel .11 +3 Potter .09 0

    Some takeways.
    - the kids are alright (not that anyone was really suggesting otherwise). in fact they are going to be great but they are still just kids and not the consistent EV outscorers needed. Not terribly surprising given your #1 C is 19 and your #2 can’t win enough face offs.
    - the D is not alright and particularly at the top. Schultz Jr will be great but he is not currently. No shame in that as in 09/10 Keith had 4 years of NHL experience and was 25 (26?)
    - Ralph should play a few players more (ex. Hall, MPS)
    - Hossa is a beast (I wish our management team had tried to get him!). Hemsky is a good player but he is no Hossa. Just as well he wasn’t given the massive contract/term some were advocating.
    -Sharp was a steal of a trade. I wish our management team could pull of a similar deal.
    -Campbell was a nice piece and gave great veteran support to Keith/Seabrook. However; the deal to acquire him and his monstrous contract was widely criticized at the time. Sometimes risky moves are needed.
    - The Hawks “2nd and 3rd lines” were much more capable and balanced then what the Oilers have. Interesting to note that almost all of them were drafted in 2002 – 2004 and were 23 – 26 years old at the time of the cup run. Demonstrates how important drafting/development/patience is going to be for the Oilers to get over the top.
    - The Oilers 4th line and bottom pairing D is our biggest problem?! Really. Should be easy enough to solve, let’s just trade for the same folks the Hawks had.

  129. nelson88 says:

    Posting did something wonky to the formating. The Hawks and Oilers should be in separate columns. Apologies that it is hard to read.

    Go Oilers!

  130. bookje says:

    I was curious if the ‘pre’ tag worked to preserve spacing here at LT’s blog. It does not. Does anyone know how to preserve spaces (such as for Nelson88′s table above).

  131. Braintrust says:

    I think we should listen to the “Geniuses” who said we should have drafted Tyler Seguin instead of Taylor Hall. I think we should trade Hall to Boston for Seguin………………Ummmmmmm………….NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! My friend Taylor is ripping it up, whether you Seguin fans like it or not, Taylor Hall is a VASTLY SUPERIOR player! No comparison whatsoever.

    Now that I got that off my chest, I just thought I would also point out how ignorant many fans (in general) are out there. Moreover, they have no patience and have no concept about how to build a hockey team NOR how to evaluate players. Those same BRILLIANT fans wanted to trade Nazem Kadri (as part of a package) from Toronto to Vancouver for Luongo a few weeks ago. I have always said Kadri would be a fantastic player and sure enough he is becoming just that. Clearly, those idiots have egg on their face now. Maybe those “fans” that wanted to draft Seguin and trade Kadri for Luongo should get together sometime?…………HA!

    Next, as far as the Oil go, yes, we need a strong puck-moving defenseman. I like Keith Yandle from Phoenix, but they would ask for way too much. I also like Charlie Coyle from Minnesota, but they would ask for something crazy as well. Not sure who is available that fits our needs, but if Tambellini can somehow get one of these two guys (or someone comparable) we would be in great shape. As Lowetide said, the team has done their job, now management must do theirs.

  132. FastOil says:

    LMHF#1: Why in hell would we “get smoked”? Especially if it is Chicago?

    No one’s suggesting to “screw up”. It isn’t like they’re going to go off and trade Eberle and Yakupov for geezers. Why do people react this way when you talk about prudent additions that would help the roster?

    With all the luck-mongers around here, you’d think “make the playoffs as many times as humanly possible” would be the line.

    The idea that you’re either a cup finalist or nothing is just silly.

    I agree with Weridal and Denny33. The playoffs are always the goal, but sometimes delayed gratification has a lot of benefit.

    I think the team will be far better off long term if they can get one of the three very good centres in this very deep draft, guys with a very good shot at good NHL career. There are two key pieces missing (a centre and first left D), and filling a major hole on the team at no cost other than pain is huge.

    It means retaining more quality on the team in not making a hole to fill one, unless a current prospect from the thin ranks (other than left D) takes a major miraculous step, and another high end asset if they do make a bigger deal. If a guy like Khaira pans out the team can be stacked at least through his ELC. To me it’s missing 1 year of playoffs to solidify 10 and have great depth.

    I’d love to ask Hall about it.

  133. Truth says:

    Luongo is throwing out some teaser tweets. Pretty funny actually, I’m sure he has Van fans/bandwagon passengers in suspense right now.

  134. Kert says:

    bookje,


    test; if 'pre' doesn't work, 'code' might.

    Edit: Nope. :(

  135. Captain Happy says:

    Truth:
    Luongo is throwing out some teaser tweets.Pretty funny actually, I’m sure he has Van fans/bandwagon passengers in suspense right now.

    Just listened to Lawrence Gilman on Vancouver radio.

    Sounds like a Luongo deal is closer now that Vancouver has already acquired a centre.

  136. "Steve Smith" says:

    Braintrust: I think we should trade Hall to Boston for Seguin………………Ummmmmmm………….NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Zing!

  137. MrSmitty says:

    I think if Taylor Hall wills it, we will make the playoffs and it don’t matter what the other teams have to say about it.

    I am in the camp that thinks we should only trade guys like Whitney, Belanger, Jones, Fistric, Peckham for picks then cash those picks in at the draft for a real player. Sell high and buy low.

  138. Jordan says:

    MrSmitty:
    I think if Taylor Hall wills it, we will make the playoffs and it don’t matter what the other teams have to say about it.

    I am in the camp that thinks we should only trade guys like Whitney, Belanger, Jones, Fistric, Peckham for picks then cash those picks in at the draft for a real player.Sell high and buy low.

    This!! – So much more of this!! Please!! someone teach management Econ 101!

  139. Rondo says:

    With the trade deadline will that effect college players like Antoine Laganiere?

  140. Dee Dee says:

    Braintrust,

    Yah, what a bum Seguin is, +22, 5th in the NHL for plus minus. Who would want that guy?

    Funny how the Seguin Boobirds have been quiet all year until Hall has (finally) broken out.

    Those two will push each other their entire careers, its far from settled between those two.

  141. "Steve Smith" says:

    Dee Dee,

    Evidently you didn’t hear the man: NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you have difficulties with reading comprehension?

  142. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Dee Dee,

    ~ Wow. And just think of the added impact on linemates when we carry over Seguin’s plus minus. No doubt Eberle’s plus minus will rise and Bergeron’s will fall. ~

  143. Racki says:

    ~Yah, who needs the > ppg guy who is +4 when you can have the +22 guy with 11 less points in 2 more games!~

    I think they’re both great players, and no discredit to Seguin, but Hall works really well here and it makes no sense to be jealous of what Boston has in Seguin. Both will likely wind up being quite good NHLers in the long run. Sometimes Hall will lead in points.. sometimes Seguin will lead in points.

    FYI, both players are team leaders in +/-. Plus minus is a fairly useless stat to begin with, but you can’t just compare it straight up to another player. Doesn’t work so well.

  144. bookje says:

    I hope they pick Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin is going to be a good player, but Hall is going to be a power house.

    When is the draft taking place?

  145. "Steve Smith" says:

    For what it’s worth, I had no strong views at the time about who the Oilers should draft (as between those two), and I tend to think, with the benefit of hindsight, that the Oilers got it right with Hall. But the Hallvangelists’ consistent insistence that (the opinion of Central Scouting to the contrary) it was absolutely no contest, and that anybody advocating a Seguin pick must have suffered moderately serious brain damage, was annoying to the point that I sort of hoped that the Oilers picked Seguin and that he blew Hall out of the water, just so those folks would have their enjoyment of the Oilers’ subsequent success tempered by the knowledge that they were morons.

    I’m really quite a spiteful person.

  146. spoiler says:

    bookje: I was curious if the ‘pre’ tag worked to preserve spacing here at LT’s blog. It does not. Does anyone know how to preserve spaces (such as for Nelson88′s table above).

    I don’t believe there is a way. Very limited markup in WordPress, IIRC. I don’t think even [table] and its related tags can be used in the actual comments. For the main body, I’m betting LT does his tables in another application, saves them as a jpeg (or takes screenshots when they’re from another site) and then uploads the image.

  147. bookje says:

    Probably the best way to create a ‘table’ would be to use some kind of spaceholder like a dash or period to fill spaces. the columns would not line up, but at least they would be distinguishable.

    Line One………………..22…………………..44……………….55
    Line Twenty…………..122…………………11……………….24
    Line One Million……….4……………………14……………….768

    Something like that.

  148. Peacecountry says:

    denny33:
    godot10,

    Not to sure you can ‘teach’ being mean…..

    </blockquote/>

    Michael vick says you can!

  149. Lucinius says:

    Looks like its Vancouver and the Ranger as the final two teams in on Clowe. Hoping the Rangers get him, as we still play Vancouver twice and Vancouver adding bodies = bad. Also hope that outside of their games with us that Calgary can put some wins together to get them out of the bottom five, so they don’t get a great pick.

    Anything to slow down their rebuild! Might not matter given their draft history, but who knows.

  150. prairieschooner says:

    I apologize to the Pro scouting staff because they are clearly scouring every nook and cranny for players

  151. Lois Lowe says:

    I can’t believe you guys actually started discussing the merits of Hall v Seguin after that post.

  152. FPB94 says:

    Seguin has a better first year, Hall getting the upper hand in a shortened season conclusion:

    Seguin’s a bum.

  153. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lois Lowe,

    1. It was mostly me, and
    2. I am, as is well understood around these parts, a sad and lonely little man.

    Edit: Plus, I need to discuss hockey-related matters here from time to time so as to have something to point to when Hunter accuses me (generally quit fairly) of seldom or never doing so.

  154. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I like that, or Eager for Jokinen too. Got to trade a contract to take a contract.

    Not sure that Jussi was available six weeks ago, IIRC he was waived about 5 minutes after Carolina committed long-term to Semin and shedding salary became a priority. These things don’t happen in a vacuum.

    I think you have to extend the logic of your “not in a vacuum” suggestion.

    Presumably Carolina didn’t wake up one morning to discover Semin was signed for big $$.

  155. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Besides… Seguin is just another word for sequin. we don’t need any bedazzling on our jean jackets around here.

  156. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    What would it take to get J-Bow out of STL?

  157. regwald says:

    Lucinius:
    Looks like its Vancouver and the Ranger as the final two teams in on Clowe. Hoping the Rangers get him, as we still play Vancouver twice and Vancouver adding bodies = bad. Also hope that outside of their games with us that Calgary can put some wins together to get them out of the bottom five, so they don’t get a great pick.

    Anything to slow down their rebuild! Might not matter given their draft history, but who knows.

    Treenasoil claims that the ask from SJ for Clowe was MPS.

    If that’s true, they can keep him. If they want to swap goals then let’s send Belanger for Clowe straight up … 0 for 0.

  158. Southern Oil says:

    "Steve Smith":
    Lois Lowe,

    1. It was mostly me, and
    2. I am, as is well understood around these parts, a sad and lonely little man.

    Edit: Plus, I need to discuss hockey-related matters here from time to time so as to have something to point to when Hunter accuses me (generally quit fairly) of seldom or never doing so.

    Dammit!
    You have completely destroyed my opinion of you. Here I thought you were a sad and lonely BIG man.
    SOB!

    PS: have you ever thought of writing books? I think some of us could use some witty sarcastic comments to read as opposed to the usual drivel that is on the shelves these days.

  159. Mr DeBakey says:

    Hunter accuses me (generally quit fairly) of seldom or never doing so.

    Hunter critiques the posts of others?
    Wow.

    Team Seguin, All the way with Tyler

    Its sad that the Dane Byers Era never really got rolling

  160. hallberle says:

    For those interested in the oilers drafting, stu mcgregor and Jim Crosson will be in Whitecourt scouting the junior A team tomorrow. Haven’t really followed the local team but thought some of the draft junkies here may find it of interest

  161. bookje says:

    Mr DeBakey:

    Hunter critiques the posts of others?
    Wow.

    Mr. DeBakey critiques Hunters critiques of the posts of others?
    Wow.

  162. B S says:

    "Steve Smith",

    I was rooting for Seguin at the draft, but have to admit that from about the 2nd week into their rookie season I was pretty sure that Hall was the right choice. To say that it wasn’t even close is definitely ridiculous considering all the stink brought up about them by both the scouts and media, but clearly the Oilers (who have since stated that Hall was their clear choice but still gave Seguin a fair look) to date got it right. Some people won’t be satisfied until these two face-off in a 7 game series, but based on points and individual performance Hall takes the lead.

    Woodguy, I think your right about filling those gaps. Adam Hall doesn’t replace Horcoff, but he does replace Smyth at Center, easing off on the faceoff load for Nuge and Gags (I think it was the win against Nashville, both were at 60% on the dot, but in the games without Horc they were both atrocious and VV can’t play the toughs to replace them). Gagner and Nuge get more offensive starts, Smyth plays with Belanger, and maybe the Oil squeak out another OT loss or two. As silly as it sounds that could make the difference between in and out of the playoffs.

    However; given the double dealing between Tampa and Carolina, I suspect there was a gentlemen’s agreement between the two that the other GMs were in on and Hall wasn’t really as available as everyone thought. That or Yzerman just got fleeced for his own player.

  163. Lucinius says:

    regwald,

    Well, looks like the price they’re asking the Rangers/Canucks is around a 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick and a conditional 2nd if he re-signs.

  164. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    MrSmitty,

    Let’s play ECON 101 then. The decrease in valuation of those players is their rental value. Rental valuations are influenced by the risks of missing or exiting the playoffs. Renting out a player makes sense when external rental valuations exceed internal rental valuations.

    Tambi should be fired if he’s more moved by the certainties of Hall`s willpower than the current 71% chance of missing the playoffs. Same thing if he’s driven by the original acquisition cost. If he sells a player getting ice time it better be a real overpay.

  165. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    bookje,

    And who are you to critique critiques of critiques? And who am I … and so on.

  166. bookje says:

    B S,

    Are you trying to suggest that this blogsite is just an ongoing rehash of old and tired arguments?

    You’re losing the room, don’t make me throw my onion at you.

  167. Marc says:

    bookje:
    B S,

    Are you trying to suggest that this blogsite is just an ongoing rehash of old and tired arguments?

    Doan! Doan! Doan!

  168. WeridAl says:

    Clowe to the NYR for a 2nd + 3rd + conditional 2nd

  169. Lucinius says:

    Looks like Vancouver lost on Clowe. Clowe was asked to pick between Vancouver and the Rangers… and chose the Rangers.

  170. FastOil says:

    I am starting to get the feeling they are not going to do much. There is some comfort in predictable mind numbing inaction. Kind of like inhaling helium from balloons.

  171. FPB94 says:

    Lucinius,

    Hmm. New York or Vancouver? Lawlz. Good to see people fighting for a guy with no goals in 30 games.

  172. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    bookje,

    Is there still room for a new tired argument? Broke down all the trades since the 2Morrow trade. And Tambellini is only 1 trade behind the Penguins, and is now tied with the Bruins and Blues.

  173. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    FastOil:
    I am starting to get the feeling they are not going to do much. There is some comfort in predictable mind numbing inaction. Kind of like inhaling helium from balloons.

    Think of MacT in the first Oil Change episode talking about how satisfied they were with the state of the team and not feeling the need to do anything.

    I’m guessing after the C-atastrophe happened and they felt no pressure… that’s got to be the reigning philosophy.

  174. B S says:

    bookje,

    I heard their going to trade Smyth because he want’s $100, 000 too much, it’s absurd of course, I mean he’s the heart of this team. Also, I think we should trade for Weber. A big, strong, overpaid stud defenseman with a mean streak is exactly what this team needs, and those guys always love it here in Edmonton, it’s a can’t lose scenario. Also that Gagner kid is having a great season, lets sign him to a $5.5 mil.X ’til the end of time contract he’ll definitely pay dividends.

  175. Bruce McCurdy says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce, I think you need to take a closer look at Connolly.He wore out his welcome in Toronto, and historically is rumoured to be a bit ofa head case, but he has traditionally played well on the PP and PK.Last season he lost his PP time, which hurt his numbers but if I recall correctly, he 5×5 wasn’t that far off considering the ice time he was given.If the Oilers wanted a stop gap cheap (in terms of what it would take to get him), then the only reason not to get him was the $2M.And if that’s the reason, that’s pretty damn disappointing.Not that it matters, they didn’t grab him and we saw what happened.

    I know lots about Tim Connolly. I picked him in the first round of my keeper league pool when he was 18 and followed his early career with great interest as he gradually started to find his way, only to crash and burn to injury including concussions and (possibly related) headcase-itis. I wasted, er, waited a lot of years for him to come around, and over those years learned to my continuing regret that the guy is utterly unreliable. :p

    $4.75 MM cap hit? haha, that’s Toronto’s mistake, let Toronto pay. muahahahahaha

  176. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    bookje,
    B S,
    Marc,

    Never too late to pick up Vanek for the tail end of the play-off drive. He might be available for less than 4 first rounders:

    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/buffalo-sabres-trade-thomas-vanek-144302918–nhl.html

  177. FPB94 says:

    I wouldn’t hesitate to deal some things for Thomas Vanek. Great player.

  178. regwald says:

    Lucinius:
    regwald,

    Well, looks like the price they’re asking the Rangers/Canucks is around a 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick and a conditional 2nd if he re-signs.

    saw that on twitter. I guess you ask for the moon and then settle on what’s available. Not sure if he helps the Rangers who seem to have a lot of underachievers right now.

    As much as all the players denied Avery’s comments, I think Torts is done there and he is tuned out by their high-priced talent.

  179. spoiler says:

    That trade of BJ Macdonald to the Dys is never gonna work out. Idiots, trading away a 46 goal man like that…

  180. Truth says:

    Crazy that the apparent asking price for Clowe went from a 1st and a good prospect a week ago, to Couturier, to eventually getting a 2nd, a 3rd, and a conditional 2nd. Either the media was way off or GM’s would be stupid to make a trade with Wilson prior to the (approximate) deadline.

  181. Truth says:

    Even though Edmonton wasn’t in the mix for Clowe to waive his NTC, they should have at least been kicking tires on landing him. He may have 0 goals this year, but the Oilers would kill for a player of his type. Calgary’s 4th line dominated the Oilers last night on the account of size alone. Could anyone imagine an Oilers/Sharks, Oilers/Kings, or Oilers./Bllues playoff series? No chance for the Oilers. Size may not count for everything, but it does count.

  182. godot10 says:

    Truth:
    Even though Edmonton wasn’t in the mix for Clowe to waive his NTC, they should have at least been kicking tires on landing him.He may have 0 goals this year, but the Oilers would kill for a player of his type.Calgary’s 4th line dominated the Oilers last night on the account of size alone.Could anyone imagine an Oilers/Sharks, Oilers/Kings, or Oilers./Bllues playoff series? No chance for the Oilers.Size may not count for everything, but it does count.

    The OIlers want the NEXT Clowe, not the current 30-something broken down used up Clowe.

    You can’t build a contender with 30-something year old players who play will be declining over time.

    The Oilers found Mike Grier before he was Mike Grier. They have to find the NEXT Ryan Clowe before he is the NEXT Ryan Clowe.

    Clowe is going to get 3 or 4 years and way to much money on his UFA contract. For a contending team that is fine, whose window is the next two years. For a rebuilding team, it is a rebuild killer.

    If the Oilers are going to go for this type of player, I’m much more inclined to the current Glencross, than the current Clowe. Glencross’s contract is still pretty good value for money, and is only two years in term, so the risk is much more limited.

  183. spoiler says:

    Truth:
    Even though Edmonton wasn’t in the mix for Clowe to waive his NTC, they should have at least been kicking tires on landing him.He may have 0 goals this year, but the Oilers would kill for a player of his type.Calgary’s 4th line dominated the Oilers last night on the account of size alone.Could anyone imagine an Oilers/Sharks, Oilers/Kings, or Oilers./Bllues playoff series? No chance for the Oilers.Size may not count for everything, but it does count.

    Rumour has it they asked but the price was Paajarvi. The source has VERY CREDIBLE undies.

    And then they would have to get Clowe to waive his NTC for us, and he might have taken a look at the youth and decided either that we’re not decent contenders, or too tough to get the ice time he wants.

    It didn’t happen, but I’m thinking it’s no biggie on management.

  184. asiaoil says:

    My spidy sense thinks that Tyler Myers may land in EDM tomorrow – not sure I like what may have to go out the door to pull it off. Stafford comes with him in a WOW deal???? But perhaps it’s best for those lovable losers on Kingsway to just do what they do best tomorrow – nothing.

  185. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Truth:
    Even though Edmonton wasn’t in the mix for Clowe to waive his NTC, they should have at least been kicking tires on landing him.He may have 0 goals this year, but the Oilers would kill for a player of his type.

    A 0-goal big winger? We already got Petrell, Eager, Hordichuk, Hartikainen …

  186. Captain Happy says:

    12 hours to go.

    Montreal picks up Davis Drewiske, a very good bottom pairing D (6’2″ 220), for a fifth round pick.

    He’d be an upgrade on Potter and Peckham.

    Still black smoke over Kingsway.

  187. spoiler says:

    Bruce McCurdy: A 0-goal big winger? We already got Petrell, Eager, Hordichuk, Hartikainen …

    It strikes me that you’re joking, but I’m going to dive in anyways…

    Doesn’t math teach us there’s going to be some regression to the norm in his SH%? He has 65 shots on net. And he’s made some nice plays along the wall to win the puck and set up pretty goals. He passes into a one-timer quickly and softly while holding players off. I think he’s a little more than his zero shooting percentage.

    That said, I didn’t really want to spend assets to get him. Certainly not Paajarvi, if that was the case.

  188. Truth says:

    godot10: The OIlers want the NEXT Clowe, not the current 30-something broken down used up Clowe.

    You can’t build a contender with 30-something year old players who play will be declining over time.

    The Oilers found Mike Grier before he was Mike Grier.They have to find the NEXT Ryan Clowe before he is the NEXT Ryan Clowe.

    Clowe is going to get 3 or 4 years and way to much money on his UFA contract. For a contending team that is fine, whose window is the next two years. For a rebuilding team, it is a rebuild killer.

    If the Oilers are going to go for this type of player, I’m much more inclined to the current Glencross, than the current Clowe.Glencross’s contract is still pretty good value for money, and is only two years in term, so the risk is much more limited.

    True they are and should be looking for the next Clowe, but who is it? Could it be they think they have him in Moroz, Pitlick, Kessy, Hamilton, or any other similar type prospects? Clowe is 30 yrs old, doesn’t fit in with the young cluster but not on his way out by any stretch. He would be a great player to have for 3-5 years until hopefully one of those prospects pans out or they can acquire another player like him. He takes absolutely no BS and makes room for himself and everyone else on the ice while he’s out there.

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Clowe’s avg. over the last 4 years is 76GP – 21G – 34A – 54 Pts – 95 PIM. Once Petrell, Hartikainen, Hordichuk, or Eager come close to these numbers you will be correct. Until then, Clowe is alongside Lucic, Clarkson (for 1 yr only), and…

    On March 23 RNH had 26GP – 2G – 9A – 11 Pts. I guess the Oilers should have immediately pulled the trigger on a Ribeiro for RNH trade. He had triple the points at the time!

    Clowe is an excellent pickup for the Rangers. If the Oilers lucky enough that he goes to free agency it is a no-brainer to offer a contract.

    spoiler,

    I do agree, PRV for Clowe as a rental is horrible. PRV for Clowe signed reasonably for 5 years? Probably worth it.

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