OILERS AT CANUCKS G37 (12-13)

The Oilers have a 42.1% chance to make the playoffs this morning and in fact hold down the 8th and final playoff spot. Taylor Hall is 5, 6-8-14 +9 during the recent streak and those numbers are positively Herculean.

8th placeThat’s a beautiful sight, Oilers inside the playoffs. There’s a long way to go, but this represents a turning point along the way to contending for the Stanley. Which team will falter and allow the Oilers in? I don’t think it will be St. Louis, but Detroit, San Jose and (believe it or not) Vancouver may be vulnerable.

Tonight’s game is massive. I don’t think you can count on the Oilers to win, but if they do it would represent another statement game. Saturday night in Rexall against the Canucks, last night against the Flames, and tonight against Vancouver all in one week? Should that happen, we might be talking about this week well into the future–years.

scoring race

It’s been awhile, hasn’t it? My oh my, that looks very good. Hall is 7th in NHL scoring, 3rd in the real conference and he could pass a few more names before mile 48.

5x5hall

Hall leads the western conference in 5×5/60. LEADS IT!

 Parkatti’s numbers are up and they confirm many, many things:

  • The Hall line moves the chains like clockwork
  • The 2line is better but still not where it needs to be
  • Horcoff is central to this team’s success
  • Yakupov is pushing now, it’s going to get crazy very soon
  • The 4line needs work
  • Smid-Petry are solid
  • Potter seems to be moving up the depth chart

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Last night’s even strength minutes for D

  1. Smid 18:32
  2. J Schultz 17:58
  3. Petry 17:48
  4. Whitney 17:04
  5. Potter 16:00
  6. N Schultz 14:21

Nick Schultz has been playing fewer minutes of late, I wonder if he’s nursing an injury? Anyway, coach Krueger seems to have little worry about moving Potter up or sending Smid, J Schultz or Petry over the boards a time or two. Are we seeing some kind of morphing among the blue? Potter from 6-7 to 5? Whitney from 5-6  to 4? Nick Schultz to the back of the line?

Or is it injury?

YakupovCelebrates

Something unusual happened last night. Ralph Krueger didn’t call off the dogs–in fact, he seemed to be increasing the skill shifts and using his 1PP late in the game when it was a laugher. My theory is he didn’t like the Flames taking liberties and decided to exact his own justice. Could be wrong, maybe he just wanted to see the horses run free like the rest of us.

Absolutely nothing against anyone, but this kid Yakupov needs to be playing with the gifted players. Next year for sure.

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  1. Gerta Rauss says:

    @EdmontonOilers

    Paajarvi good to go for the #Oilers tonight, Lander will not be in the lineup; starters coming right up!

    Oilers twitter a moment ago

  2. Gerta Rauss says:

    Khabi starts

  3. striatic says:

    Zelepukin: Overall though, my choice is still Nuge.

    see, for me RNH has always needed help. even in Junior he didn’t really play top line minutes.

    in Edmonton he has only really excelled when paired with Hall.

    RNH clearly makes the players he plays with better, but maybe not as much as those players make HIM look better.

    Hall, on the other hand, drives the play no matter what situation he’s in. I think Yakupov, in time, can do the same thing.

    of the three 1st overalls, i’m lowest on RNH. still think he was the right pick though. i’d rather have RNH than Landeskog for sure.

  4. striatic says:

    Gerta Rauss: Khabi starts

    unfortunately we still don’t know *which* Khabi will start.

  5. Lowetide says:

    The thing I don’t get about not playing Dubnyk tonight is that the old ‘btb’ thing shouldn’t impact goaltenders. I understand the skaters won’t have their legs, but goalies? Really?

    I would think there would be some kind of proof that goalies fall off in the second game of the btb to prove this? I haven’t seen it yet.

  6. Ribs says:

    I think if you scour Tyler’s site he has some stuff about playing backups. I think he may have wrote it with some prejudice, though (After Khabibulin loss).

  7. Southern Oil says:

    Crap I have to listen to John Garrett all night. Aghh!!!

  8. Ribs says:

    Ribs,

    “By my count, the Oilers have six back to back situations left for this year. Deciding that, absent injury, those will be the Khabibulin’s final six (at most) starts as an Oiler ought to be the easiest decision that Krueger makes for the rest of the year.”

  9. striatic says:

    Lowetide: I understand the skaters won’t have their legs, but goalies? Really?

    goalies move up and down a lot and their equipment is somewhat heavy.

    also, this post seems to statistically demonstrate that playing both games of a back to back has a diminishing effect on goalie save percentage..

    http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/4/4176206/ilya-bryzgalov-steve-mason-michael-leighton-goalies-back-to-back

  10. Ribs says:

    But yea, Tyler’s post doesn’t really get into the success rate of the the goalies that do play back to back.

  11. Lucinius says:

    Lowetide,

    Its… an interesting issue, actually. On the one hand goalies, even in a slow game, tend to exert a lot more effort than the forwards do, often more than the defenders. Its utterly exhausting work, especially with all the equipment. Starting a goalie back to back can really tire them out and often leads to some not-insubstantial weight loss in the short term, which leads to a lot of exhaustion a week or so down the road as their body tries to adapt to the yo-yoing.

    On the other hand, goalies are often best played when hot, regardless of schedule because the ‘zone’ tends to stretch from game to game until its broken by enough time off or a jarring event (ugly, bouncing puck going in, usually).

    Starting Khabbi is probably the bad decision in terms of tonight’s game, but might be better for the Oilers in the weeks ahead.

  12. striatic says:

    Petrell’s hockey sense is really fantastic.

    if only he had the skill to do anything with it other than clear the zone.

  13. striatic says:

    Lucinius: Starting Khabbi is probably the bad decision in terms of tonight’s game, but might be better for the Oilers in the weeks ahead.

    the statistics in the blog post i linked to indicate it is best for both.

    also, i would like to see some statistic demonstrating the existence of “the zone”.

  14. striatic says:

    just don’t waste this PP…

  15. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Southern Oil,

    feed number 1 on firstrowsports is Edmonton feed. pretty blurry, but not JG!

  16. Derek says:

    Fantastic effort on the PP.

  17. striatic says:

    terrible.

    i don’t understand why Hemsky deftly gains the zone, then dumps it into the corner for a turnover from *inside the zone*.

  18. Bar_Qu says:

    Smyth is awesome!

  19. Henry says:

    Brown might have craters in his overall game, but he was good on that back check. Not lazy.

  20. Rebilled says:

    6-2 Oilers.

  21. Southern Oil says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Southern Oil,

    feed number 1 on firstrowsports is Edmonton feed.pretty blurry, but not JG!

    Cheers!

  22. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    The thing I don’t get about not playing Dubnyk tonight is that the old ‘btb’ thing shouldn’t impact goaltenders. I understand the skaters won’t have their legs, but goalies? Really?

    I would think there would be some kind of proof that goalies fall off in the second game of the btb to prove this? I haven’t seen it yet.

    When you consider the amount of water they shed ( in the pounds), the goalie is the last guy I want playing back-to-back.

  23. Lucinius says:

    striatic,

    All I can offer is my personal experience and that of other athletes. There are just times when you’re “on” and can see/feel everything. Scientifically it probably boils down to a perfect storm of hormone production or some such.

    But much like momentum (which is merely the impact of events leading to increased hormonal production resulting in a continued high and feeling of confidence in those with it and a hormonal production leading to a depressed state in those facing it), it exists.

  24. striatic says:

    Henry: Brown might have craters in his overall game, but he was good on that back check. Not lazy.

    he made a sting outlet pass on the Petrell chance and set up Smyth with a nifty back pass.

    Brown is having a good game tonight for sure.

  25. spoiler says:

    Effin Blues.

  26. Lucinius says:

    And it looks like the Blackhawks may let the Blues out with the win…

  27. icecastles says:

    spoiler: When you consider the amount of water they shed ( in the pounds), the goalie is the last guy I want playing back-to-back.

    Khabby sweats so much he has holes drilled in the bottom of his skates to let the water run out, and generally has to swap jerseys between periods. Recall one of the colour guys talking about it early in his Oilers career when he got into trouble due to dehydration.

  28. BlacqueJacque says:

    WTF was with that power play?

    I saw 91-93-14 and 93-10-83 and some other weird combinations out there.

    Oh Gagner, our zone is not your friend…

  29. striatic says:

    Lucinius: But much like momentum (which is merely the impact of events leading to increased hormonal production resulting in a continued high and feeling of confidence in those with it and a hormonal production leading to a depressed state in those facing it), it exists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-hand_fallacy

  30. Lowetide says:

    Lovely pass by Yakupov there.

  31. spoiler says:

    icecastles: Khabby sweats so much he has holes drilled in the bottom of his skates to let the water run out, and generally has to swap jerseys between periods. Recall one of the colour guys talking about it early in his Oilers career when he got into trouble due to dehydration.

    I remember the same story.

  32. VanOil says:

    Chi has tied it up.

  33. Southern Oil says:

    Hawks just tied it

  34. Lucinius says:

    striatic,

    Get your filthy science out of here!

    I know the scientific work on things like momentum and streaks. I disagree with it, and even did some work on it in University before I dropped out.

  35. Southern Oil says:

    Nice sights behind the Vancouver bench there.

  36. spoiler says:

    I don’t mind the choice of Khabby after the big win. Puts a little responsibility on his shoulders.

  37. Bar_Qu says:

    how is that hooking?

  38. striatic says:

    spoiler: I remember the same story.

    i’ve wondered if that’s why he always pulls tufts of hair through the top of his helmet. like in an effort toward .. something .. having the moisture wick up his hair and out of his helmet or something.

    noticed Hall doing the same thing with his hair and helmet lately.

  39. Lowetide says:

    Veteran move by Sedin there.

  40. Scotty LaDouche says:

    And the Canucks wonder why theyre considered the whiners/divers of the league.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    Hall checks Bieksa lmao. Went out of his way to do it.

  42. spoiler says:

    Nice elbow to Petrell’s head.

  43. spoiler says:

    But you know we’re gonna call a gay hooking penalty on Hall.

  44. VanOil says:

    If that call pisses of Hall, we might just win.

  45. hunter1909 says:

    Nice lone effort leading to a shot on goal by Taylor Hall.

  46. VanOil says:

    When Yak finally does drop them he might just destroy the guy.

  47. spoiler says:

    spoiler:
    But you know we’re gonna call a gay hooking penalty on Hall.

    No offence to any professionals hailing from San Francisco.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    One forgets these ref run games, that seem to give the Nucks 4-5 power plays, until they score a few.

  49. BlacqueJacque says:

    Too many men? God this penalty is so inexcusable =/

  50. Southern Oil says:

    Toews just about won the game for the Hawks but couldn’t close it out. Dammit!

  51. icecastles says:

    Sucks that there is an NHL reffing conspiracy against the Canucks, eh.

  52. bookje says:

    Lowetide,

    I think this is the first back to back that Dubnyks has not played.

  53. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Seems like all the first row and atdhe feeds are choppy. Anyone have a consistant one?

  54. Scotty LaDouche says:

    Refs 1 Oilers 0

  55. "Steve Smith" says:

    Fucking Bieksa.

  56. Lowetide says:

    That’s on the Oilers. You can’t keep giving a good team chances like that. The Hall penalty was weak, you bet. Paajarvi, fine that happens. The too many men? No excuses. Bad bad bad.

  57. hunter1909 says:

    Too many men. Way to go.

    This game officially blows.

  58. Lucinius says:

    Khabbi with slightly poor form there. No reason the pads should of been that close together in that scenario. Nit-picking, though.

  59. sliderule says:

    It looked like RK was saying to Smith wtf are you doing at gate.

  60. icecastles says:

    Lowetide: That’s on the Oilers. You can’t keep giving a good team chances like that. The Hall penalty was weak, you bet. Paajarvi, fine that happens. The too many men? No excuses. Bad bad bad.

    I put that one 100% on Steve Tambelinni.

  61. spoiler says:

    icecastles: I put that one 100% on Steve Tambelinni.

    Was just going to type the same thing, lol.

  62. striatic says:

    Oilers need to smarten up and bounce back.

  63. Bar_Qu says:

    What on earth was it that PRV supposedly did to get the penalty? Replays would be nice.

  64. "Steve Smith" says:

    icecastles: I put that one 100% on Steve Tambelinni.

    “Holy cow, we’ve got a lot of defencemen. On the ice.”

    Okay, that was Lowe. Whatever.

  65. Lucinius says:

    Bar_Qu,

    High stick.

  66. khildahl says:

    How the fuck do you get a delayed too many men call?

  67. GordM says:

    I suppose Don Cherry won’t show that Bieksa defensive deflection during his next rant on defensemen who screw up the goalie by putting their stick in front of the shot.

  68. hunter1909 says:

    Bieksa’s my fave Canuck. Dude’s a warrior.

  69. "Steve Smith" says:

    hunter1909,

    And syphillis is my favourite STD, but I don’t much care for it.

  70. BlacqueJacque says:

    No, Jones, you don’t pass it to Horcoff who has one and a half guys on him. You pass it to Yakupov who’s on the hash marks with a defender facing away from him.

  71. khildahl says:

    hunter1909:
    Bieksa’s my fave Canuck. Dude’s a warrior.

    You spelled douchebag wrong.

  72. Lucinius says:

    GordM,

    Its always best to get in the way of a shot by any way possible.. so long as you do it right. Throwing the stick in front of a shot is more dangerous because of how most do it; they won’t keep their blade at a high enough angle, so that if it does hit it it’ll ramp up the blade. Bieksa did it very well there.

  73. Bar_Qu says:

    The old R. Whitney is back.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Whitney. WOW.

  75. hunter1909 says:

    Vancouver’s never going to be a hockey town. Even their 80′s p.a. music sounds all wrong.

  76. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Whitney. WOW.

    I missed it.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    Vancouver’s stuck in this 1980′s time warp. They naturally haven’t noticed it.

  78. spoiler says:

    So let me get this straight… D-S-F hacked Hunter’s account?

    Edit:

    Whew, okay those last two sound more like Hunter.

  79. VanOil says:

    hunter1909,

    Agreed. But they are very successful in marketing tight low cut Tshirts.

  80. Ribs says:

    striatic: i don’t understand why Hemsky deftly gains the zone, then dumps it into the corner for a turnover from *inside the zone*.

    That’s their current system at work. It has been working wonderfully lately. They’re using short dump ins so that there is less distance for retrieval. The key though, is to make sure you can do the retrieving.

  81. khildahl says:

    VanOil:
    hunter1909,

    Agreed. But they are very successful in marketing tight low cut Tshirts.

    …But what do their women wear?

  82. Southern Oil says:

    Shoot out about to start with Chi – St. Lou

  83. Gret99zky says:

    If hockey has one of those freak NCAA basketball broken leg incidents, well…

  84. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    the last 2 minutes were the barker vs. whitney show!!!

  85. striatic says:

    Ribs: That’s their current system at work. It has been working wonderfully lately. They’re using short dump ins so that there is less distance for retrieval. The key though, is to make sure you can do the retrieving.

    yeah, i noticed it on subsequent plays and realized it was systems play.

    it works better when PRV and Hall do it than when Hemsky does it. PRV goes in to support his own dump in, as does Hall – whereas Hemsky was trying a bounce pass around the net.

  86. kinger says:

    Dubnyk would have had the Bieksa shot, that was a weak goal.

    On top of that, most of Khabby’s “great saves” have been because of awful rebound control. Pucks are flying off of him into the slot. Or he’s juggling routine saves and turning them into prime chances.

    I don’t think it’s fair to put this on Ralph, he has to give dubie a break. I am so sick of Tambo; i’m not sure what’s worse, him making a move (all of which to this point have been bad) or sticking with the same glaring roster holes (backup goaltender, depth in the middle).

    He’s was dealt a pair of 10s then checked all the way to the river.

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Lovely pass by Yakupov there.

    was that the bullet that flew gracefully past Jones’ wooden hands?

    great pass! terrible linemate.

  88. VanOil says:

    khildahl: …But what do their women wear?

    I does not mater all Canuck fans are boobs

  89. khildahl says:

    VanOil: I does not mater all Canuck fans are boobs

    You just won the thread, by my reckoning.

  90. Lucinius says:

    God damn Hawks.

  91. khildahl says:

    Oh, Spector. Yes, Mike Brown is the Oilers’ key to this game.

    I’d call the guy an idiot, but that would be unfair to Jay Feaster.

  92. squeezboks says:

    blues win in shootout… crap

  93. bookje says:

    kinger,

    I think Khabibulin played a reasonable period. I also think that he is a fine backup to ride the remainder of the season out with. He has a .930 save percentage which is great for a backup. The Canucks scored on a 5 on 3. They got 13 shots in the period. Looking at Dubnyk’s save percentage, he would be equally likely to let one goal on thirteen shots in.

    I think your opinion is well established before your analysis takes place.

  94. Ribs says:

    Dennis tweets….

    1st period chances: 3-10; 0-3 ST

    Ouch.

  95. Derek says:

    Stay out of the penalty box Oilers so Brown can have more ice time.

    Sportsnet should save themselves money and just play 15 minutes of nails on a chalkboard and infants screaming between periods.

  96. GordM says:

    Lucinius:
    GordM,

    Its always best to get in the way of a shot by any way possible.. so long as you do it right. Throwing the stick in front of a shot is more dangerous because of how most do it; they won’t keep their blade at a high enough angle, so that if it does hit it it’ll ramp up the blade. Bieksa did it very well there.

    I understand…I play hockey…I mostly pointed it out because it always bothers me how Cherry flat out suggests defensemen have no reason to put their stick in the way of the shot. If done correctly…it’s a solid play…he just picks off the bad ones and makes it an issue.

  97. hunter1909 says:

    VanOil: I does not mater all Canuck fans are boobs

    Finally a rational voice.

  98. BlacqueJacque says:

    So what miraculous “the old Ryan Whitney is back” play did I miss?

    All I saw him do at the end there is drop his stick and look lost rather than retrieve the stick or check someone.

  99. Ribs says:

    Whitney is actually having to play some defence this game. It isn’t his strong suit.

  100. hunter1909 says:

    Some of these Oilers want their lion Mom to turn up with a little gazelle.

  101. spoiler says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    So what miraculous “the old Ryan Whitney is back” play did I miss?

    All I saw him do at the end there is drop his stick and look lost rather than retrieve the stick or check someone.

    The old new Whitney, not the old old Whitney.

  102. Southern Oil says:

    Ribs:
    Whitney is actually having to play some defence this game. It isn’t his strong suit.

    Who knew!

  103. Southern Oil says:

    Good news – Coyotes up 3-1

  104. Lucinius says:

    Need to score on this powerplay.

  105. GordM says:

    Is it just me or do we always seem to struggle against these aggressive puck-pressure PKs? Can’t RK coach a system to break those down better?

  106. BlacqueJacque says:

    spoiler,

    Oh duh, nm.

    I was sort of hoping for evidence of a return to 2011 form.

  107. hunter1909 says:

    So far, this game is 99% Canucks.

  108. Bar_Qu says:

    Upon reflection, the Flames may not have been the best preparation for the Oilers before they played the Canucks. Lowered the bar so to speak.

  109. Lucinius says:

    Oilers aren’t playing with enough urgency or effort, sadly. Look tired.

  110. spoiler says:

    Well, they’ve gone back to the ladder pass just over the blue line, but the reformed Canuck PK has them stymied for now..

  111. icecastles says:

    kinger: On top of that, most of Khabby’s “great saves” have been because of awful rebound control. Pucks are flying off of him into the slot. Or he’s juggling routine saves and turning them into prime chances.

    This is why a lot of folks see goalies like Dwayne Roloson (who, admittedly I love) as being superior. They are frequently making amazing, acrobatic saves and looking so much more dynamic than the Broders of the game. And those dynamic reactive saves are most often because they were completely out of position or had just given up an ugly rebound.

    Strong goalies should be positionally sound, read the play well, and be (comparatively) boring to watch. Khabi is never boring.

  112. khildahl says:

    In what may be a very bad omen I just opened two consecutive dud beers. The first was flat and the second erupted.

  113. hunter1909 says:

    Bar_Qu,

    As fans, we’re all giving up at this point.

    Like 25.00 hookers. Oilers fans.

  114. VanOil says:

    our 4th line has been less of a disgrace than the PP tonight. Not a positive indicator.

  115. hunter1909 says:

    Masterful play by Hall.

  116. Bar_Qu says:

    Ptui

  117. spoiler says:

    WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO CALL A PENALTY! EBERLE PUNCHED, HALL SLASHED, JESUS.

  118. Lucinius says:

    icecastles,

    Hasek was the best goalie for fantastic saves after giving up a nice rebound into a prime shooting area.

    And god damn.. Eberle don’t get hurt!

  119. icecastles says:

    khildahl: In what may be a very bad omen I just opened two consecutive dud beers. The first was flat and the second erupted.

    Mix them together? :D

  120. spoiler says:

    spoiler:
    WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO CALL A PENALTY!EBERLE PUNCHED, HALL SLASHED, JESUS.

    Dude, you like totally need more swears.

  121. icecastles says:

    spoiler: WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO CALL A PENALTY!

    You need to have a laughing fish on your jersey.

  122. Bar_Qu says:

    It’s weird playing a team that actually plays defence

  123. khildahl says:

    icecastles: Mix them together?

    Flat lager + IPA foam = ?

  124. bookje says:

    icecastles: This is why a lot of folks see goalies like Dwayne Roloson (who, admittedly I love) as being superior. They are frequently making amazing, acrobatic saves and looking so much more dynamic than the Broders of the game. And those dynamic reactive saves are most often because they were completely out of position or had just given up an ugly rebound.

    Strong goalies should be positionally sound, read the play well, and be (comparatively) boring to watch. Khabi is never boring.

    Goalies have different styles, what matters is what percentage of the shots they stop. Lots of people thought Hasak was terrible because he was erratic, but he stopped pucks.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    For some reason, I really want Kassian to bust. No reason for it.

  126. BlacqueJacque says:

    Yakupov’s shot never ceases to amaze me. Schneider didn’t react to it, he reacted to it bouncing off of him.

  127. Lowetide says:

    Yakupov is going to score a million. The goalies all look surprised.

  128. VanOil says:

    khildahl:
    In what may be a very bad omen I just opened two consecutive dud beers.The first was flat and the second erupted.

    my sincere condolences.

  129. Chris says:

    We need a goal but the Oilers are hanging around in this game.

  130. hunter1909 says:

    Why is it only the rotten players like Smyth and Petrell are getting any chances? Which they can’t do squat with?

  131. GordM says:

    Smyth scores one OT winner against Dallas on a slap shot down the left hand side in 1977 and we are left with 36 years of watching the same damn shot with absolutely no effectiveness.

  132. khildahl says:

    Has anyone done any kind of analysis on Smyth’s ratio of miss-the-net slapshots versus into-the-pads wraparounds?

    I know 7 years is a long time ago, but I swear he used to put in rebounds and deflections.

  133. icecastles says:

    bookje: Lots of people thought Hasak was terrible because he was erratic, but he stopped pucks.

    You know what I hate about Hasek? Ever since him, nobody can make a rational argument about goaltending.
    “This works well for goaltending.”
    “No.”
    “Why not?”
    “Dominik Hasek.”

    Not wrong. But he was one of the greatest goalies of all time… what he did, nobody else has been able to do as well or in the same way. It’s like saying Mozart never took music lessons, so I don’t have to either. (Mozart did take lessons – his father was one of the most influential music teachers and theorists of his era. But I couldn’t think of a decent example off the cuff)

  134. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Oil need to run moreinterferenve and slash more. Those penalties aren’t in tonight’s rule book

  135. spoiler says:

    HACK HIM AGAIN!

  136. Lowetide says:

    This game feels a lot more like 2-0 than it does 1-1.

  137. khildahl says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Oil need to run moreinterferenve and slash more. Those penalties aren’t in tonight’s rule book

    You were saying?

  138. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles,

    Mozart never took music lessons.

  139. bookje says:

    icecastles,

    Ok, the point is that style is irrelevant if the goalie stops pucks at a good percentage. NK has the 8th best save percentage in the NHL over 8 games and people are suggesting that he is not a viable back up goalie.

    I wouldn’t re-sign him, but given that he was already on contract, he was the best choice. A lot of people here wanted to keep Yann Danis up despite the fact that his save percentage in the AHL is 45 best or something like that. Maybe he looks better when he gets scored on. Is that it?

  140. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide:
    This game feels a lot more like 2-0 than it does 1-1.

    It did earlier, but Nucks are starting to lose their focus a bit.

    edit: I didn’t notice that latest Nuck powerplay coming.

  141. Lucinius says:

    Oilers are going to have to stay within a goal, at worst, else I don’t think they’ll be able to mount a comeback. Canucks are, unfortunately, playing a strong five man game tonight and putting two guys on Hall whenever he so much as sniffs at the puck.

  142. icecastles says:

    hunter1909,

    Yes he did, from age three. The idea that he didn’t is a popular myth.

    Don’t confuse the analogy with the argument.

  143. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Yakupov is going to score a million. The goalies all look surprised.

    I remember seeing an Elston caricature years ago (91-92?) and it had a cartoon of a goalie with a hole in his chest yelling “Don’t kid yourself Turcotte, I got a piece of that ya know!”. The last few shots/goals of Yakupov’s have reminded me of that cartoon. He is going to shoot through goalies.

  144. Lucinius says:

    bookje,

    Personally I find his habit for rebounds annoying more because of how much better he would be if he could merely direct them to the corners better.

  145. hunter1909 says:

    Don’t worry I have the sound off – so the Nucks can’t score.

    I turned it back on. Sorry.

  146. bookje says:

    Lucinius,

    That’s fair.

  147. BlacqueJacque says:

    Welp, bedtime.

  148. Lucinius says:

    Oilers are just dead tired.

  149. GordM says:

    Smid looked mighty pissed at whatever forward left him to choose between covering two Canucks within 15 feet of the net.

  150. khildahl says:

    And the wife has now decreed it’s time to watch something else if the Oilers don’t show up by the end of the period.

  151. icecastles says:

    bookje: Ok, the point is that style is irrelevant if the goalie stops pucks at a good percentage. NK has the 8th best save percentage in the NHL over 8 games and people are suggesting that he is not a viable back up goalie.

    He was an excellent goalie for a long time. And he still can be for short stretches. But his time has passed. He no longer has the durability for the job. This isn’t a criticism of the man, or a comment on his style. When fatigue and decreased mobility set in, it results in poor decisions, decreased reaction time, lessened ability to read the play, etc etc (wait am I talking about Khabi or Whitney?).

    Surely we learned this last year when they kept him starting game long after the shine wore off. This is why he is not a viable backup goalie. He can’t be counted on if Dubnyk goes down. Khabi plays a lot of games, he goes down HARD.

    As to style being irrelevant, I guess that’s why there are still so many successful stand-up goalies? You can’t possibly believe what you wrote.

  152. spoiler says:

    icecastles:
    hunter1909,

    Yes he did, from age three. The idea that he didn’t is a popular myth.

    Don’t confuse the analogy with the argument.

    I’m thinking Telemann is the famous auto-didact, but I think there are others… Elgar maybe?

  153. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    and the old pair of oiler sad pants come on as the top line runs dry (hopefully not for long) and the rest of the team finds terrible again.

  154. Ice Sage says:

    May the Oilers thank the Canucks for reminding their lion cubs that patience and wisdom are also required to make a kill… (sheer brawn and guile ain’t working tonight)

  155. Henry says:

    icecastles:
    hunter1909,

    Yes he did, from age three. The idea that he didn’t is a popular myth.

    Don’t confuse the analogy with the argument.

    So who taught Yakupov how to shoot?

  156. Lowetide says:

    Oilers look lost, but all they need is a spark.

  157. bookje says:

    icecastles,

    IF a goalie stops lots of pucks – more than most other goalies – than to label that goalie a bad goalie because of their style seems foolish.

    In fact, the willingness to put results ahead of style is WHY there is not many stand up goalies around now.

    Some goalies look more chaotic than other goalies but have similar or better results. Results are what matter.

  158. bookje says:

    Henry: So who taught Yakupov how to shoot?

    He holds his stick wrong.

  159. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oh whitney… lose the puck in your own end, take a penalty…

    that’s the whitney we know and love (that ST can’t see somehow).

    he’s invisible!!!

    he’s probably in a college dorm right now!

  160. khildahl says:

    Henry: So who taught Yakupov how to shoot?

    Einstein?

  161. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers look lost, but all they need is a spark.

    Rope a dope – the third period is going to be fabulous!!!!

  162. Henry says:

    bookje: He holds his stick wrong.

    So did I. Now I’m a broke scientist.

  163. icecastles says:

    Henry: So who taught Yakupov how to shoot?

    Tchaikovsky. The dude used real canons for percussion.

  164. Gerta Rauss says:

    Not Whitney’s finest hour. We need to get out of this period just down by 2.

  165. Lucinius says:

    Not fore-seeing a win here tonight. Too many look dead tired, or out of it. Canucks with too much of a step in their game. Pity, but it was due. Hopefully the Oilers can recover quickly and start a new streak.

  166. "Steve Smith" says:

    icecastles: Tchaikovsky. The dude used real canons for percussion.

    In D? That was Pachelbel.

  167. hunter1909 says:

    Ice Sage:
    May the Oilers thank the Canucks for reminding their lion cubs that patience and wisdom are also required to make a kill… (sheer brawn and guile ain’t working tonight)

    Always count how many lions are on the ice.

  168. spoiler says:

    I’m not sure Whitney’s stick even touched him… sure wasn’t as clear as Hansen’s slash on Whitney 30 seconds earlier.

  169. Chris says:

    Back to back games are rough but the Oilers needed two points and aren’t looking poised to get them tonight.

  170. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: In D?That was Pachelbel.

    Facetious bugger.

  171. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles: Tchaikovsky. The dude used real canons for percussion.

    That’s the pope.

  172. Ice Sage says:

    bookje: Rope a dope – the third period is going to be fabulous!!!!

    Yeah, lets see if RK double shifts the 4-93-14 line (and has them modify their zone entries) to start the 3rd. California beach time as incentive?

  173. jake70 says:

    Top line not gaining zone as easily tonight it looks like. Try a few soft chips?

  174. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 8s

    2nd period chances: 3-10; 6-20 after 40 min

  175. hunter1909 says:

    Chris:
    Back to back games are rough but the Oilers needed two points and aren’t looking poised to get them tonight.

    I don’t understand. Only last night Oilers scored 8 after going down 2-0.

  176. Reg Dunlop says:

    Things are looking bleak with an afternoon date with the Kings ahead. We can all take solace in the fact that Vancouver has ZERO chance at the cup this year and the oil are poised to pass them by in the next year or two.

  177. Ribs says:

    Lowetide:
    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 8s

    2nd period chances: 3-10; 6-20 after 40 min

    Well, umm…Here’s to a better period in the third!

    Mr. Weir, we could use some magic now.

  178. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler: Facetious bugger.

    He sure was.

    (Tangentially related and worth watching: this!)

  179. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Chris:
    Back to back games are rough but the Oilers needed two points and aren’t looking poised to get them tonight.

    how is it possible a team assembled by ST could lack poise?

  180. icecastles says:

    bookje: Some goalies look more chaotic than other goalies but have similar or better results. Results are what matter.

    Yes, and if you adopt a lesser style, you are less likely to have those results. If you are an exception like Hasek, then you are exactly that: an exception.

    It’s like saying (sorry I love analogies, and the more ridiculous the better) an obese midget can win the Olympic 100m race if he can run fast enough, because the results, not his body type is what matters. Sure he can. But is that likely? Results are the final product of training, style, etc. They don’t exist in a vacuum.

    (I feel i’m oversimplifying your argument, because I know you’re a smart guy who usually has insightful comments. But these “X doesn’t matter if Y” statements where Y is highly improbable, just feel like an post-rationalization of a terrible proposition).

  181. hunter1909 says:

    The Sedins look like the nicest, most decent dudes ever.

    Okay, I’m a sucker for telethons. Not that I ever contribute.

  182. "Steve Smith" says:

    I’m not sure that I have ever disagreed so fervently with both sides of an argument as I am right now with Spector/McSorley.

    These men are both paid money to express their opinions on TV.

  183. khildahl says:

    “Steve Smith”: He sure was.

    (Tangentially related and worth watching: this!)

    I briefly considered posting that.

  184. Gret99zky says:

    OT: the whole Miikka Kiprusoff drama can be summed up in two words: cap circumvention.

  185. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ribs:
    Spector has lost his marbles.

    what kind of a grown man collects them anyway?

  186. dawgtoy says:

    This game ain’t over yet. Not by a long shot. It’s make your momma proud time. GOilers!

  187. hunter1909 says:

    So the telethon volunteers have their names shown on tv; then a manaic stalks one of the hotter women and invokes the “telethon defense” to beat the eventual rap.

  188. Lucinius says:

    Tonight was not a must-win. It was a it-be-nice-to-win. We needed to get 2 of 4 possible points from Vancouver. if we win the remaining game we should be fine, so long as we win what we need to win in the other games.

    The must-wins are the three against Calgary, Colorado and Phoenix, the remaining game against Vancouver and 4 points out of the games against Anaheim as well as getting 2 points out of the Kings/Blackhawk games and 2 out of the two games against the Wild. Gives us 55 points. That’s an optimistic view, granted.

    I don’t think the Oilers will make the playoffs. Never did. But I’m thinking they make it close this year which is a success and primes them for the next season (or should until Tambellini trades Hall for Lecavlier because he has poise and a ring).

  189. regwald says:

    Lowetide: Lowetide

    LT,

    Have you seen the movie Trouble with the Curve ? Eastwood plays an old baseball scout who’s vision is failing him. He is scouting a hot hitting prospect and identifies a hitch in his swing by the sound of how he hits the curve ball. Even though he is tearing up the league with his power.

    Your comment about Yak’s shot reminded me of the parallels. The comment was watching the reaction to the shot and not the shot. Well done. Well done.

  190. icecastles says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Brilliant link, thank you for that! I’ll be spreading that one around for a while.

  191. hunter1909 says:

    I never understand it when fans go to games etc to try to make like they’re part of the show. Because they’re not. They pay for it.

  192. bookje says:

    icecastles,

    I think all of the goalies that I am talking about fall in the range of ‘standard play’, but within that standard range, some goalies are more positional and others are more reactionary (ok). Those that are more reactionary (and often smaller) are going to look different than those who are more positional. One of the reasons Dubnyk looks so calm in net is because he is huge and positional, whereas Khabi is small and reactionary.

    I forget where this all started, but my point is that some of the critiques that have been thrown at both Dubnyk AND Khabi are the equivalent of “Hall doesn’t hold his stick right” which is nonsense when they are having success.

    Anyway, its time to go rob some more chocolate out of the kids Easter basket now…

  193. hunter1909 says:

    I’d like the Sedins as neighbours.

  194. VanOil says:

    “Steve Smith”: He sure was.
    (Tangentially related and worth watching: this!)

    I will never be able to look at Taco Bell the same again.

  195. Lowetide says:

    regwald: LT,

    Have you seen the movie Trouble with the Curve ? Eastwood plays an old baseball scout who’s vision is failing him. He is scouting a hot hitting prospect and identifies a hitch in his swing by the sound of how he hits the curve ball. Even though he is tearing up the league with his power.

    Your comment about Yak’s shot reminded me of the parallels. The comment was watching the reaction to the shot and not the shot. Well done. Well done.

    Noy yet. I want to, though.

  196. icecastles says:

    bookje: forget where this all started, but my point is that some of the critiques that have been thrown at both Dubnyk AND Khabi are the equivalent of “Hall doesn’t hold his stick right” which is nonsense when they are having success.

    In this, we are in complete agreement.

    And we will be in even further agreement if you send me some of that chocolate.

  197. Ribs says:

    “Steve Smith”: He sure was.

    (Tangentially related and worth watching: this!)

    That was great. Can’t believe I hadn’t seen that yet!

  198. VanOil says:

    hunter1909:
    The Sedins look like the nicest, most decent dudes ever.
    Okay, I’m a sucker for telethons. Not that I ever contribute.

    I have ran into the Sedin’s around town a few times. They are good blokes. Even posed for pictures with some drunken friends (Oiler Fans half in the bag from there flight out here) on there way to the beat down last weekend. They donated 1 million dollars to the local children hospital.

    I still want to see them lose though.

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