OILERS AT DUCKS, G39 (12-13) 8.4.13

The Oilers have another huge game tonight in their playoff drive (14.7% chance), and depending on your point of view they have a very good or subpar goaltender behind them.

dd11

That’s some pretty good company there, tied for 11th overall in the entire NHL. There was some concern about his EV SP, which is now .923 and ranks 20th among goalies with 15 games or more this season. I’d say that’s some solid goaltending, certainly not a “weak link” position. You’ll get arguments, but for me Dubnyk is solid as a starter for the first few years of the window.

fistric2

Coach Krueger has been talking about inserting Mark Fistric into the rotation for tonight’s game, it’s going to be interesting to see who draws out. If the coach doesn’t dress Ryan Whitney, what does that tell us about assets at the deadline? Also, Ryan Jones not dressing for the LAK game on Saturday is the same thing. You have Teemu Hartikainen waiting for insertion into the lineup after earning the opportunity, and I understand if Jones is the preference of the coach. Interesting then that he’s a HS in the first game the new hire was available.

stapleton and ferguson

That’s John Ferguson in the Montreal uniform. He was probably the first powerforward, although he was called policeman or enforcer. Ferguson came to the NHL at 25 after spending a year in the IHL and three more in the AHL. The NHL was the top league but had only 6 teams, and those teams rolled three lines. So, there were exactly 18 jobs for left wingers in 1963, and Ferguson won one of them for his toughness.

But he could also play:

ferguson 63

That’s October of 1963, Ferguson’s rookie season. He was on the top line in the NHL, Beliveau-Ferguson-Geoffrion. This would have been Frank Selke (Sam Pollock would take over the following season) and it paid off in a big way. Ferguson provided toughness, Beliveau skill and Geoffrion was the shooter. The  Habs would romp through the 1960′s, with Ferguson a big part of the team.

I don’t think there’s a fan alive who couldn’t see the value Ferguson brought to Montreal in 1963.

DO IT AGAIN

I also don’t think there’s a fan alive who wouldn’t see the value a similar player might bring to Edmonton in 2013. The problem with the Oilers big men isn’t size, it’s skill. The Edmonton Oilers procurement department have gathered up a bunch of skill guys who are average or undersize, and because they don’t have enough actual NHL players (and that’s too easy an answer, apparently) people cast about for reasons and come upon the usual argument–too many undersized players. “We’re getting pushed around” and “they’re running our show!” we hear over and over again.

IF the guy who can play is also a bigger player? MUSIC!

The argument Oiler fans have been having (let’s call it Omark v Jacques) disappears if the Oilers can hire big, skilled men. Did any of the math people or the saw him good crowd bitch about Bill Guerin?

No. This is about size AFTER skill has been established.

A very young Barbi Benton is dancing with Hugh Hefner right at the end of the video. Wow.

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Oilers are 4 points behind Detroit with a game in hand. Tonight’s game–and this week–is massive. By the time we hit the radio show Saturday we’ll know one way or another. A good week here and the Oilers will still be in it. A bad one? The Saturday show will be less about the playoffs, and more about the summer.

okc11

 

I don’t know if you’re still following the Barons’ season but they had a big weekend. Tend the Farm is a splendid resource and Neal’s post-game last night is a terrific read. It also shows a pulse for some struggling prospects:

  • The “2nd Round” line of Curtis Hamilton – Ryan Martindale – Tyler Pitlick played the best stretch of hockey the three have played, together or separate, in a very long time. Hamilton, with his great hands. Martindale, with his face off winning marvels. Pitlick, with his strong play around the boards. Combined they are Teemu Hartikainen, but separate they bring a very unique wrinkle to the Barons third line. I’d like to see this again, and more often.

Sad story about Kelly Jay, former member of Crowbar is here. Dammit.

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  1. Rebilled says:

    No thanks refs.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Laddy takes a penalty at 20:00. Man. The Oilers have a chance here if they can just settle the hell down.

  3. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Fk, this isthe same zebra that fkd them over versus LA. He’s the new Tim Peel

  4. Lowetide says:

    And I mentioned this last game, but this team is really taking too many penalties. Just a ton, and the refs are calling fewer. Part of it may be poor luck, but then again that high stick went uncalled this period.

    Damn. That period could have been so much better.

  5. khildahl says:

    Okay, I foresee that in the interest of not throwing something heavy through my TV in a fit of ref-rage I’m going to need to not watch this game.

  6. spoiler says:

    If it were possible to reach through one’s tv screen and throttle someone, the world’s zebra herd would be short a member right now.

  7. khildahl says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Fk, this isthe same zebra that fkd them over versus LA. He’s the new Tim Peel

    Absolutely the same one. They’ve had him quite a few games this year and he’s been terrible every time. I’ve never seen anyone get run over by the players as much as he does.

    Someone’s going to get a misconduct for having the wrong colour of tape on his stick, or something equally stupid.

  8. Ribs says:

    Fistric didn’t challenge the shooter on that goal at all. Yikes.

  9. BlacqueJacque says:

    What I hate about the Flames vs the Avs this season is that one or the other divisional opponent is going to draft top 3.

    Never before have I wanted two divisional rivals to both get 2 points out of the same game.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 52s

    First period chances: 7-7; 0-3 ST

  11. SK Oiler Fan says:

    It’s the Bobby Ryan drama show out there. after every shift he.s acting like it’s his last

  12. Henry says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Dead Guy Ale again this evening.I was in Oregon last week on a golf trip and we stopped for lunch at the Rogue brewery in Newport.Great food, great beer, it was fantastic. Oregon does beer pretty well, our group sampled several different micro brews that were excellent.

    Good for you with that tour d’ale. Oregon makes some of the best beers in North America IMO. Rogue is great, so is Full Sail. The best is probably Deshutes over the mountains from Neuport/Eugene. Try Black Butte and Mirror Pond. Consistently excellent.

  13. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Laddy takes a penalty at 20:00. Man. The Oilers have a chance here if they can just settle the hell down.

    If they kill the penalty to start they should be ok.

    ANA will get more tired.

    Need to be less gong show, fly the zone in the dzone.

    Dman gets the puck and I don’t see another Oiler in the frame.

    If the C is close the wing isn’t in the frame.

    40 foot passes don’t work near as often as 15 foot passes.

  14. Woodguy says:

    I noticed PRV make some good decisions with the puck in the dzone that period.

    Didn’t lose possession on a dump out, but skated the puck out of trouble and maintained possession.

    I bet 91′s nice corsi WOWY has more do do with dzone, neutral zone play than ozone play.

  15. Henry says:

    Anaheim seemed to have interesting tactics. Appalling 5 man neutral zone trap through the middle of the period then massive forecheck late.

  16. sliderule says:

    We have to quit blaming the refs.

    We are just playing tough oiler/Lowe/Bucky hockey.

  17. cabbiesmacker says:

    Glanced at the Tv as I was headed out for a gagger.

    Why was Gene interviewing Conan O’Brien?

  18. cabbiesmacker says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    It’s the Bobby Ryan drama show out there. after every shift he.s acting like it’s his last

    Atta boy Silver

  19. DBO says:

    Ryan Smyth lost his man twice in a row on that PK. Old dudes letting us down/

  20. BlacqueJacque says:

    I would really like Luca Sbisa. =/

  21. rich says:

    I think DD has pulled us even on the “coulda shoulda” with a couple of huge saves right there. Maybe we can start playing hockey again tonite?

  22. Henry says:

    If the Oilers eventually get their game together and win this shit, they all owe Dubnyk a steak dinner.

  23. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Looked like 94 was pking with his stick upside down. No more penalties!

  24. Lucinius says:

    One of the more irritating things about the Oilers in the D-zone when we do get the puck; they move it backwards too much, either behind the net reversals or towards our net by the forwards, which makes fore-checking the Oilers a lot easier.

  25. BlacqueJacque says:

    Crazy, Anaheim doubling us in shots 24-12 after we start 9-0.

    Seriously, they’ve gone 24-3 from the 10 minute mark of the first to the 13 minute mark of the second.

    #firelowe

  26. spoiler says:

    Now that’s effing interference.

  27. Lowetide says:

    Oilers are just putrid now, I don’t think they hear the coaches. I can’t name 2 good plays by the 4line, Horcoff’s wingers, Gagner or the 5-6D.

  28. Lucinius says:

    Interference on Paajarvi not called.

    That’s why the reffing is so.. aggravating. its one-sided or horribly inconsistent. The NHL has the worst refs of any of the big four sports (NFL had a similar issue with refs but cleaned it up recently).

  29. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Lucinius:
    One of the more irritating things about the Oilers in the D-zone when we do get the puck; they move it backwards too much, either behind the net reversals or towards our net by the forwards, which makes fore-checking the Oilers a lot easier.

    Agreed. There’s times where it’s the right play, but too often it’s just like tossing the grenade to your teamate. They’re not moving their feet. Whitney is notorious for this. Get puck then stand still until all that’s left is a weak flip up the boards resulting in a turnover

  30. fuzzy muppet says:

    Its damn embarrassing when the team that played the night before is skating circles around the rested team. Nearly every Oiler is just standing around. The timing of that 4 game winning streak was the exact worst thing that could have happened.

    This team is no where near playoff quality

  31. Southern Oil says:

    that was terrible!

  32. MISNO says:

    I feel safer keeping up by just refreshing TSN’s boxscores than watching it live on my NHL GameCenter subscription.

    If I can’t see it, it *can’t* be that bad, right?

  33. SK Oiler Fan says:

    What a dumb play. Fistric just didn’t give a shit. He just said I’m sick of this so I’m going to sit for 2. Dumb

  34. Lucinius says:

    Seriously?

    Two things; right before the tripping penalty called on us, a Duck interfered with an Oiler; no call.

    Secondly.. Oilers have got to be the worst team in the league at clearing the puck. Bad attempt after bad attempt.

    Its the basics of d-zone play that the Oilers suck at and its infuriating because its not a skill issue with the players; its an issue with them being idiotic or the system being the worst I’ve ever seen if that’s how they’re supposed to play.

    Edit: Whomever decides and coaches the defensive zone system needs to be fired. Even if its Krueger. It is THAT bad.

  35. Henry says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Its damn embarrassing when the team that played the night before is skating circles around the rested team.Nearly every Oiler is just standing around.The timing of that 4 game winning streak was the exact worst thing that could have happened.

    This team is no where near playoff quality

    fuzzy muppet,

    They are playing like they took the 45 minute flight to Vegas last night.

  36. rich says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Its damn embarrassing when the team that played the night before is skating circles around the rested team.Nearly every Oiler is just standing around.The timing of that 4 game winning streak was the exact worst thing that could have happened.

    This team is no where near playoff quality

    What he said.

    This team has been brutal the last 20 minutes of this game – and since arriving on the west coast.

    First game against VAN you can understand, 3rd in 4th nights. Last two, the compete level is not there. Management has done nothing to help them in the stretch, unless bringing up Lander so he could stop playing was part of the grand development strategy…along with getting Smithson because he’s probably great in the room.

  37. fuzzy muppet says:

    Lucinius,

    They can’t clear because everyone and their mother kniws they can only ring it around the boards. Only schultz and whitney, when he rarely gets to the puck, can make a decent pass to a forward.

    Also doesnt help when half the forwards stand around out by the blueline.

  38. Southern Oil says:

    Lucinius:
    Seriously?

    Two things; right before the tripping penalty called on us, a Duck interfered with an Oiler; no call.

    Secondly.. Oilers have got to be the worst team in the league at clearing the puck. Bad attempt after bad attempt.

    Its the basics of d-zone play that the Oilers suck at and its infuriating because its not a skill issue with the players; its an issue with them being idiotic or the system being the worst I’ve ever seen if that’s how they’re supposed to play.

    I think you nailed it on one of your last post as well about putting it backwards. The last penalty kill it was like they were trying to lob the puck to their own blue line.

  39. Lowetide says:

    Nice display of speed by J Schultz there

  40. Ice Sage says:

    I’m pretty impressed with Anaheim – didn’t think they’d be top tier this year – looks like better-than-expected goaltending and Boudreau’s discipline have helped a lot.

  41. Southern Oil says:

    The Ducks color guy just said our big problem is the transition game – passing the puck from the Dmen to the offense. Where have I heard that before?

  42. Lucinius says:

    Also; props to the play by play guys. As bad as they are.. I could not do their job. I’d end up raving like a mad man. I couldn’t keep my mouth shut about how utterly horrible they are at times.

  43. BlacqueJacque says:

    Tambo has got to be shitting bricks.

    This year’s UFA class includes such sprightly young talent like Sergei Gonchar (38), Mark Streit (35), Roman Hamrlik (38) and Joe Corvo (34) in the puck-moving department.

    Unless you’d like to continue your relationship with Ryan Whitney…

  44. Lowetide says:

    HAVE to make something happen on this PP.

  45. TheOtherJohn says:

    Calgary does not get the lose for a better draft pick game. Have a shot at a waltz to Jones/MacKinnon and they’re laying boots to AVs

  46. fuzzy muppet says:

    I know th idiots in the edmonton media are going to chalk this up to lack if size. It has very little to do with size. This team isn’t even trying to engage in a puck battle.

    They look like they don’t give a shit and thats unacceptable. It’s hard to blame them when they were so close and management does NOTHING to help them.

  47. Lucinius says:

    Wow. A call on the Ducks.

    Oilers don’t deserve to be in this game at all.

  48. Lucinius says:

    Out-manned on a powerplay. Ugh.

  49. maudite says:

    Wow, I’m glad I haven’t been watching this game

  50. spoiler says:

    Calgary/Colorado game is over. Hopefully that doesn’t mean we get Spector back.

  51. BlacqueJacque says:

    Bwahahahaha Calgary just won one of those games they really should have lost.

  52. fuzzy muppet says:

    This team is a fucking embarrassment.

    Pardon my french

  53. Lowetide says:

    Well that’s just a terrible display by Edmonton. Say what you will about the refs, the Oilers simply don’t have it on a night when they need it.

    Terrible. Shamefull. Seven years. SEVEN!

  54. Ribs says:

    It’d be great if Gagner just kicked the shit out of Cogliano right now.

  55. Lucinius says:

    This team….

    Just. Ugh.

  56. Southern Oil says:

    You should watch the Ducks broadcast. For once an out of town play by play team are dead on.

  57. Smarmy says:

    I’m glad they got this nonsense about the playoffs out of the way. Now on to Monahan or Mantha!

  58. maudite says:

    It’s still only one goal. So it’s far from over but painful and ugly to watch.

  59. Lucinius says:

    Sad thing is we know this team can be so much better. They showed it against Vancouver, before the Calgary game. They’ve just.. regressed so very much as of late.

  60. Gret99zky says:

    This year’s MVP, Devin Dubnyk.

  61. Henry says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Tambo has got to be shitting bricks.

    This year’s UFA class includes such sprightly young talent like Sergei Gonchar (38), Mark Streit (35), Roman Hamrlik (38) and Joe Corvo (34) in the puck-moving department.

    Unless you’d like to continue your relationship with Ryan Whitney…

    I don’t think Tambi will have to worry about this problem.

  62. BlacqueJacque says:

    “#Oilers are so bad that 118 Ave is starting to liven up with the news that they’re moving away #firelowe”

    twitter is fun nights like this.

  63. Lucinius says:

    Henry,

    Oh please. Its not like we’ll see change amongst the management.

    Short of, you know.. hiring more ex-Oilers.

  64. Clarence Oveur says:

    Thanks for this, Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini. Assholes.

    This is what you get when you decide to “let the kids try and make the playoffs on their own”.

    Why I placed my faith in this management team to put together a competent, winning hockey team after all these years of futility is beyond me. Never again.

  65. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Likley wouldn’t have mattered, but a Timeout and subsequent F-bomb fest from Krueg’s at about the 6 minute mark would have been within reason. Man, they just won’t skate. This isn’t about skill or size or who got more tail last night it’s about who’s going to work harder. Not good to see

  66. Henry says:

    Southern Oil:
    You should watch the Ducks broadcast.For once an out of town play by play team are dead on.

    It’s like they wanted to see Showtime and got a bunch of drunks punctuated by nice play from Petry and Dubnyk.

  67. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lucinius:
    Sad thing is we know this team can be so much better. They showed it against Vancouver, before the Calgary game. They’ve just.. regressed so very much as of late.

    I said so about 10 games in and I stand by it – the Oilers are as good as other teams let them be. Other than the first line, no other line is capable of imposing its will. The only games playoff teams lose against the Oilers are games where they’re tired, not mentally sharp, or the goalie sucks/dubey steals it.

  68. rich says:

    A couple of posters have said it…and it’s true. The Anaheim broadcasters are ripping (not in a nasty way, just matter of factly) the Oilers. Soft play, bad transition hockey, can’t get the puck out of their zone.

    When you are in a battle (supposedly) for a playoff spot, this kind of hockey shouldn’t be acceptable, but this is the 3rd straight game they’ve been completely outplayed.

    Brutal.

  69. spoiler says:

    I think these Russian comments are probably the best things I’ve ever heard May say.

  70. hunter1909 says:

    This blog kills me. 1-0 down and if they miraculously storm back wth 2 and win…

    Ducks look like they can win the West. Nice team, really stylish as opposed to the Kings butcher block style.

  71. Henry says:

    Good night Oilers. It’s 1-0 and you might win, but honestly I don’t give a shit right now.

  72. Clarence Oveur says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Likley wouldn’t have mattered, but a Timeout and subsequent F-bomb fest from Krueg’s at about the 6 minute mark would have been within reason. Man, they just won’t skate. This isn’t about skill or size or who got more tail last night it’s about who’s going to work harder. Not good to see

    The team doesn’t contain enough competent hockey players. For every Eberle, there’s a Brown. For every Petry, there’s a Whitney…so on and so forth. It’s been this way since the post-Pronger season in 2007.

    I don’t blame the players anymore. We’re well beyond that now.

  73. fuzzy muppet says:

    Henry,

    They havent mentioned size ONCE. But you sure hear the words “outworked” over and over and over.

    I was just online looking at purchasing tickets for the Wild game on april 26.

    Thank god i didnt buy them…

  74. Woodguy says:

    Well that was front to back a terrible period of hockey by the Oilers.

    If I had to describe it in one word, it would be “panic”

  75. BlacqueJacque says:

    If you’d like Kevin Lowe or Steve Tambellini to hear you directly: klowe@edmontonoilers.com stevet@edmontonoilers.com

    This is my favorite: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VCsqWxa1ENQ/TZI2HmpA6pI/AAAAAAAACUk/jQfDtz-68mg/s400/YOU-ARE-BAD-AND-YOU-SHOULD-FEEL-BAD.jpg

    Holy shit I’m agreeing with Brad fucking May.

    I must have a concussion.

  76. OilLeak says:

    Lowetide:
    Well that’s just a terrible display by Edmonton. Say what you will about the refs, the Oilers simply don’t have it on a night when they need it.

    Terrible. Shamefull. Seven years. SEVEN!

    The 4 game winning streak was nothing but a mirage, a combination of poor opponents and some good luck. But hey, don’t tell that to management, because in their view this team is just a piece or two from being a contender. What’s worse is, we could all see this, but management seems to lack the same insight. The Oilers have the worst shot differential in the league, DEAD FUCKING LAST, this is not the mark of a good team or even a team turning the corner, can management not see this? Can they not evaluate and identify actual NHL players? 7 years of futility say no.

  77. spoiler says:

    Now we know why there was no Hockeycentral before the game. They’re using it between the periods.

  78. godot10 says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Tambo has got to be shitting bricks.

    This year’s UFA class includes such sprightly young talent like Sergei Gonchar (38), Mark Streit (35), Roman Hamrlik (38) and Joe Corvo (34) in the puck-moving department.

    Unless you’d like to continue your relationship with Ryan Whitney…

    The Oilers found Jason Smith and Steve Staios when they nobodies in their twenties in the bottom pairing of NHL rosters.

    You guys keep on looking for players in all the wrong places.

    The Leafs might be willing to part with 26-year old Carl Gunnarson. Or Liles might work on a third pairing with a guy like Fistric. Liles contract is manageable (if he waives his no-trade).

  79. hunter1909 says:

    BlacqueJacque: If you’d like Kevin Lowe or Steve Tambellini to hear you directly

    We assume they can start a computer?

  80. Woodguy says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    I know th idiots in the edmonton media are going to chalk this up to lack if size. It has very little to do with size. This team isn’t even trying to engage in a puck battle.

    Agreed.

    Just like the LAK game, the largest players on the Oilers are the among the worst.

    89 not having a good road trip either.

    Sell high.

  81. dessert1111 says:

    On the bright side, the Oilers are only down 1-0 and have a full period left. Should be motivated…

  82. hunter1909 says:

    Lowe probably gets by telling everyone his computer is broken…for the past 10 years.

  83. BlacqueJacque says:

    hunter1909: We assume they can start a computer?

    They can check email. And they’ve responded in the past.

    I mean, not when I point out what incompetent asshats they are, mind you, but still…

  84. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Well that’s just a terrible display by Edmonton. Say what you will about the refs, the Oilers simply don’t have it on a night when they need it.

    Terrible. Shamefull. Seven years. SEVEN!

    You aren’t reading close enough.

    Its 2 or 3 depending on who had the mike or the ink.

  85. hunter1909 says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this blog has been holding the player’s development back.

  86. LostBoy says:

    At one point in the first we were up 9-1 in shots. Since then we’ve been outshot 27-5.

    Unbelievable that this is still a 1-0 game.

    I can’t stand the Ducks broadcast duo. Hayward is one of the worst homers of any colour commentator. But I have no answer for him tonight.

    Oilers just don’t look like a team that understands this game is close to all she wrote. No Getzlaf, no Souray, 3rd game in 4 nights for them, no nothing from the Oil, beyond an early jump, then shoulders slumping when nothing goes in and just no urgency after the first 8 or 9 minutes.

    Yet, ridiculously, they’re still in it. Maybe someone could do some motivational speaking.

  87. Woodguy says:

    Mike Comrie lost weight.

  88. hunter1909 says:

    LostBoy: Maybe someone could do some motivational speaking.

    Go Tambo!

  89. fuzzy muppet says:

    godot10,

    Tambelinni cant find players that are being given away. Why would you think he can find the next jason smith?

    This whoke organization should be ashamed. They better work their asses off this period

  90. maudite says:

    Henry:
    Good night Oilers.It’s 1-0 and you might win, but honestly I don’t give a shit right now.

    Winner

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Best idea, might be to hold a dispersal draft as soon as they return to Edmonton.

  92. bendelson says:

    Sounds like I’m missing a good game. Darn.

    It certainly isn’t surprising that this team is shitting the bed again. Outside of a nice stretch of games before the deadline, they have shown over and over again that they aren’t up to snuff.

    What the hell was management thinking at the deadline? Ridiculous.

    LT – Who is still saying that DD isn’t a solid number one goalie? I thought this nonsense was put to bed some time ago…

  93. FastOil says:

    Clarence Oveur: The team doesn’t contain enough competent hockey players.For every Eberle, there’s a Brown.For every Petry, there’s a Whitney…so on and so forth.It’s been this way since the post-Pronger season in 2007.

    I don’t blame the players anymore.We’re well beyond that now.

    Perfect.

  94. Lucinius says:

    As bad as management is; tonight isn’t on them. Tonight is on the players and coaching staff. Its brutal. Players not skating, out of position, making bad plays. Coaches for horrible, horrible systems that should have them taken out back and shot. You don’t see systems this bad in the AHL, let alone elsewhere in the NHL.

    If the Oilers had a better system in place for the defensive zone and consistently showed up and played 60 minutes for at least 60-65 games they’d be a playoff team this year, even with the roster as is.

  95. Lucinius says:

    Also, thank god Smid doesn’t get hurt.

    Can you imagine the Oiler defense without him?

  96. hunter1909 says:

    Oh no. The game’s started.

  97. Gerta Rauss says:

    LostBoy

    Yet, ridiculously, they’re still in it.Maybe someone could do some motivational speaking.

    I know a guy that lives in a van, down by the river.

  98. Lowetide says:

    SCHULTZ!!!! NICK??????????????

  99. maudite says:

    That Daniel Winnik looks decent. Makes the same as Jones or Belanger…too bad no one could have figured he might have been a solid pickup.

  100. Gerta Rauss says:

    hahahahahahah…..

  101. Rebilled says:

    I KNEW IT!

    No, I didn’t.

  102. BlacqueJacque says:

    Wow, Nick Schultz ties it with an ugly chip slap on net.

  103. DBO says:

    wow. Gregor called it

  104. Lucinius says:

    I hate this thing, but it is all that will suffice;

    lol

  105. fuzzy muppet says:

    Haha…hockey is so great.

  106. Woodguy says:

    Its not often you see variance and recognize it when you see it.

    15′s goal is one.

  107. maudite says:

    Cogs still does stare at that puck pretty badly

  108. spoiler says:

    Pucks at the net, that’s what Mama always used to say.

  109. FastOil says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers are just putrid now, I don’t think they hear the coaches. I can’t name 2 good plays by the 4line, Horcoff’s wingers, Gagner or the 5-6D.

    Good times S Gagner. Doesn’t really like the heavy stuff, although he makes an effort. Which is the reason most sons of NHL players don’t meet the level of their less privileged fathers.

  110. Southern Oil says:

    I’m still laughing! LOL!!!

  111. BlacqueJacque says:

    FastOil: Good times S Gagner. Doesn’t really like the heavy stuff. Which is the reason most sons of NHL players don’t meet the level of their less privileged fathers.

    Unfair and inaccurate, IMO. None of the Reinharts nor Sutters are soft.

  112. Ice Sage says:

    Frickin’ Oilers

  113. BlacqueJacque says:

    Can someone let the Oilers know that the Nick just tied the game with 18 minutes to go, he didn’t win it? They can play again, now.

  114. Lucinius says:

    Right there; that last play by Whitney before the icing.

    That is the problem with the Oilers in the d-zone in a nutshell.

    Has a pass to his partner but all he does is back up, back up.. until he has no play left at all.

  115. hunter1909 says:

    Kreuger had better find a way to win this game, or else Mr. Tambellini’s going to demand that heads roll.

  116. spoiler says:

    I’m stunned there was no goaltender interference call on Hall.

  117. Ice Sage says:

    FastOil: Good times S Gagner. Doesn’t really like the heavy stuff. Which is the reason most sons of NHL players don’t meet the level of their less privileged fathers.

    Gagner’s already exceeded Dave. 2 expensive lads in Minny shoot this comment to crap

  118. FastOil says:

    BlacqueJacque: Unfair and inaccurate, IMO.None of the Reinharts nor Sutters are soft.

    So that’s them. How many others didn’t meet the rep of their fathers? Hundreds I’m sure. They get an instant look because of rep.

  119. Southern Oil says:

    I love Ryan Smyth but I hope that was more of a pass than a shot. If that’s all he has left, it’s time to call it a career.

  120. spoiler says:

    Good things happen when the winger waits in the zone for the pass.

  121. BlacqueJacque says:

    FastOil: So that’s them. How many others didn’t meet the rep of their fathers? Hundreds I’m sure. They get an instant look because of rep.

    So?

    The NHL employes about 700 players. Out of hundreds of thousands who turn 18 every year and dream of playing there. There’s bound to be some offspring of former players who make it and are better, are about the same, or are worse, and especially those that don’t make it. Competition is fierce.

  122. rich says:

    Scary shift. Boudreau gets his top line out against the 4th line.

    Nik Shultz. You can’t stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

  123. Woodguy says:

    Taylor Hall is really good at hockey.

  124. crude says:

    Lucinius:
    Right there; that last play by Whitney before the icing.

    That is the problem with the Oilers in the d-zone in a nutshell.

    Has a pass to his partner but all he does is back up, back up.. until he has no play left at all.

    exactly

  125. Lowetide says:

    Should have signed Radek Dvorak.

  126. Woodguy says:

    So those of us calling for a young Dvo for the last 6 years should have been just calling for Dvo.

    Doesn’t Dvo have the most 2 goal games in NHL history without a hat trick?

  127. fuzzy muppet says:

    Its really too bad there wasnt a guy like dvorak available six weeks ago they could have signed.

    Oh wait…..

  128. Lucinius says:

    Lowetide,

    Yes, we should have.

  129. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    Taylor Hall is really good at hockey.

    The great thing is he’s going to be even better. Nuge and Yak and Schultz and hopefully Paajarvi too.

  130. hunter1909 says:

    It already looked like Oilers were losing when it was 1-1. They never win in OT, so…

  131. danny says:

    Woodguy:
    Taylor Hall’s team isn’t very good at hockey.

    Fixed.

  132. Clarence Oveur says:

    Man, if only Jerred Smithson could play hockey beyond the faceoff dot…

  133. MISNO says:

    OK, c’mon Nick Schultz….throw the puck on net again…..

  134. Southern Oil says:

    Now if this follows the script, the Ducks will pot two more before the end of the night.

  135. BlacqueJacque says:

    Southern Oil,

    There’s one.

  136. hunter1909 says:

    Ducks skate around in a way that’s too confusing for the Oilers.

  137. danny says:

    Tip of the night: Watching the Oilers while listening to Yakkety Sax takes the edge off.

  138. spoiler says:

    That shift was a perfect example… Hall gives up the puck and an SC against and then they get a great chance the other way.

  139. BlacqueJacque says:

    hunter1909:
    Ducks skate around in a way that’s too confusing for the Oilers.

    The moving feet are really something. Krueger’s going to need to video some of that.

  140. Gerta Rauss says:

    I’m calling Cogs with the empty netter right now.

  141. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    And Winnick. Funny, but those two with Horc makes a nice 3rd line.

  142. MISNO says:

    Man, these ANA announcers are quite good. Not detecting alot of homerism.

  143. hunter1909 says:

    When does Tambellini expect to finish his evaluation of the team, and it’s needs going forward?

  144. MISNO says:

    danny,

    Ever try the Benny Hill theme?

  145. danny says:

    MISNO:
    danny,

    Ever try the Benny Hill theme?

    Google it ;)

  146. jake70 says:

    19 needs to pot one here.

  147. hunter1909 says:

    PP with the season on the line, lol.

  148. SK Oiler Fan says:

    I’m calling it now: Dvo with the empty netter for the trick assisted by Cogs

  149. Rebilled says:

    I can’t believe Dvorak gets first star.

  150. VanOil says:

    I hope for more Yak. He has shown great fight this period. The kid likes to win as much or more than Hall. I look forward to a day when I can see these gems not floating in a sea of turds.

  151. FastOil says:

    Ice Sage: Gagner’s already exceeded Dave.2 expensive lads in Minny shoot this comment to crap

    In points or contribution as an experienced player to a winning team?

  152. Rebilled says:

    post

  153. spoiler says:

    Getting Lombardi really helped the Ducks create 3 good lines.

  154. Gret99zky says:

    Good thing Tambi didn’t shake up the room and the TD.

  155. jake70 says:

    Quack Quack

  156. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s too bad. It would seem that win in Calgary was the Stanley cup for this group-they’ve lost any mojo that they had up to that point.

  157. Clarence Oveur says:

    Go f*ck yourselves, Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini.

    With a lunch box.

  158. danny says:

    A few thoughts about tonight…

    1) Jeff Petry is showing glimpses of being a legit top pairing defenseman. Some really impressive shifts from him.

    2) Dubnyk can’t be kicking rebounds into the slot so easily.

    3) If Im the Oilers owner, and my team is dong its best benny hill impression night in and night out, I think it would be prudent to seek a good hockey mind like Bowman or someone and give me an independent post-mortem. Listening to Tamblowes opinion on what went wrong simply doesn’t make sense.

  159. MISNO says:

    Bidee ah bidee ah bidee ah ….. that’s all, folks.

    Good night!

  160. VanOil says:

    I am way to sober to be crying, the flag girl is helping

  161. Woodguy says:

    Full value for that loss.

    Not enough good players.

    Not by about 15 players.

  162. Lucinius says:

    Well.

    Tonight happened.

  163. Genjutsu says:

    Top 5 pick now within reach!

    #sweet!

  164. spoiler says:

    Can’t win playing a period and a half. Played half a game at a 40 shot rate and half at a 20. That effort has to be there for the whole game. Maybe the reffing took them out of game but they have to be mentally stronger than that at this point of the season.

  165. SK Oiler Fan says:

    And 89 caps off a poor night with a clean faceoff loss – and he still gets an assist – have to at least consider selling high.
    Played 15 min. If these guys can ever consistently put together 60 min then they’ll have something.

  166. Lowetide says:

    Dubnyk 36 of 38, gave his team a chance to win. I love all these kids and they’ll have their day, but man there were some good looks missed.

    Samwise needs to be better.

    I thought the top pairing was stellar.

  167. Ice Sage says:

    FastOil: In points or contribution as an experienced player to a winning team?

    In what he’s done at his age compared to dad. He’ll surpass him in points for sure. Dave Gagner IIRC has been part of some ‘winning’ teams, most notably NorthStars of ’91 but never actually won anything? Gagner Jr. has won a World jr’s and a Spengler Cup. Sammy should be bringing more but to say he’s a shadow of his old man is wack, man.

    Oh hey Oilers lose.

  168. DBO says:

    Guys who actually have “try and effort” this game and most games.

    Hall
    Gagner
    Paajarvi
    Yakupov
    Horcoff
    Brown
    Smid
    Petry
    Shultz Sr.

    So the rest either better have high end skill (Nuge, Eberle, Shultz Jr.) or they should be gone (Smyth is done. No legs. Just done.). And some of the kids just need to grow physically and they’ll be able to handle the physical toll. So our lineup could and should be this plus needed replacements

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Paajarvi-Gagner-Yak
    ???-Horc-???
    ???-???-Brown

    Hartikainen and Lander can fill two of those spots. Need two more. Smyth gets one by default, but man we need someone that brings it physically and is a solid two way real player.

    Too tired to rip the D. But man, we need an upgrade.

  169. Clarence Oveur says:

    You trade Sam Gagner this offseason.

    The problem? This management team will get an absolutely horrid return for him, and we’ll be stuck with more incompetent hockey players.

    Business as usual.

  170. OilLeak says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    And 89 caps off a poor night with a clean faceoff loss – and he still gets an assist – have to at least consider selling high.
    Played 15 min. If these guys can ever consistently put together 60 min then they’ll have something.

    I thought he had a relatively poor night as well, at least defensively he struggled. However, Gagner led all Oilers with 7 SOG.

    Gagner is definitely cheating for offense this season, can’t blame him really, he’s in a contract year and defense first rarely brings in the cash.

  171. Kris11 says:

    Fat lady sung.

    Stick a fork in it.

    The party’s oooooveeeer.

  172. OilMurph says:

    Yeah, even with 14 points in the last 9 (unlikely) I don’t think it would be enough. Hall sure put out tonight. Kid’s amazing.

  173. Numenius says:

    This is ok. It makes firing Tamblowe more and more obvious and we get a high pick out of the deal.

  174. VanOil says:

    Now listeners, a request dedicated to the kings of kingsway. Sheryl Crow ‘A change would do you good’

    http://youtu.be/Ikjmz_SlGhg

  175. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 4m

    “I thought we really came out with an excellent start. I thought the 1-0 flattened us.” – Coach Krueger

  176. spoiler says:

    Over the last three losses, top 6 + Yak are a collective -18. The remaining forwards are -3.

    About a month ago I looked at the first ten losses of the season and the story read pretty much the same way.

  177. Lowetide says:

    12m

    “It was a game we had to win and we didn’t. We’re in a real tough spot right now.” – Taylor Hall

    “In the third, I thought the guys battled hard. One bad breakdown in the D zone and they punished us.” – Krueger

    “Give up we will not but understanding the difficulty of our situation, we will. We’ve got to keep this picture small.” – Krueger

  178. SK Oiler Fan says:

    OilLeak: I thought he had a relatively poor night as well, at least defensively he struggled. However, Gagner led all Oilers with 7 SOG.Gagner is definitely cheating for offense this season, can’t blame him really, he’s in a contract year and defense first rarely brings in the cash.

    Yah, I could be wrong, but most of the shots may have been on the PP. I’m all for shooting the puck, but if the other team gets to pick who shoots the puck on a PP I’m guessing they pick 89 out of the group. That shot isn’t scaring anyone unless it’s from 6 ft out. He looked tired until the puck drifted towards offense. Seemed to be awfully high in his own zone which conincided with the puck staying in the D-zone for shifts at a time.

  179. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 4m

    “I thought we really came out with an excellent start. I thought the 1-0 flattened us.” – Coach Krueger

    The first half of the first period, they looked real good. Outshooting 9-2 at the midway mark.

    Are they still a little too emotionally fragile?

  180. spoiler says:

    Gagner HAS to stop cheating for offense. This has gone on too long now. When the light goes on, he will be a helluva player, but we need that light to go on. This matters not for this season, but if I’m Tambo I’m gonna tell him he better be more responsible in his own zone and on breakouts for the remaining games or he’s gone in the off-season.

  181. FastOil says:

    Ice Sage: FastO

    The will to win every battle, every time, is not natural. That is why so many good/great hockey players don’t turn out. Why fathers who battled into the league are better overall than their privileged sons – hunger.

    Their are a few exceptions. SG after 450 000 games, his age becoming irrelevant to his experience in games played, shows he is a fair weather sailor. Fair weather is the sailing that everyone can do to some degree.

  182. spoiler says:

    And somehow someone has to convince Smyth that he can’t play in the NHL anymore. Either go play in Europe or find him some work around the rink but either way he needs to retire. God love him, but at least Radek Dvorak can still skate.

  183. wordbird says:

    spoiler:
    Can’t win playing a period and a half. Played half a game at a 40 shot rate and half at a 20.That effort has to be there for the whole game. Maybe the reffing took them out of game but they have to be mentally stronger than that at this point of the season.

    Smyth and Jones were absolutely brutal. 2nd period was nothing but own-end turnovers and half-assed fishing for pucks. Brown plays less than 4 minutes.

    Meanwhile, “Nice 6-point game last week, Anton. More pressbox popcorn?”

  184. Captain Happy says:

    spoiler: The first half of the first period, they looked real good. Outshooting 9-2 at the midway mark.

    Are they still a little too emotionally fragile?

    No.

    The Ducks said “enough of this shit” and took over the game.

    The result was predictable.

  185. godot10 says:

    At 23, Sam Gagner has 400 NHL games played. Dave had about 125, and had yet to play a complete season in the NHL. i.e. Dave was just becoming a regular in his 23rd year.

    So at the same age, Sam is way ahead of Dave. Considering the Nugent-Hopkins is going to be able to handle tough minutes, as long as Horcoff (or whoever the 3rd centre becomes) can handle tough minutes, Gagner isn’t a problem, and is certainly worth keeping around until the centre they draft in the 1st round this summer is ready.

    The Oilers main problem is that they are 2 NHL defensemen short. Betting the season on Whitney’s ankle was a bad idea. Colin Fraser looks fine in front of a real NHL defense in LA. Ditto Brule and Pouliot for Phoenix last year.

  186. maudite says:

    We really poised the hell out of those jerks!

    -late I know, but I couldn’t stop laughing while watching the sports recaps.

  187. maudite says:

    Lowetide:
    12m

    “Give up we will not but understanding the difficulty of our situation, we will. We’ve got to keep this picture small.” – Krueger

    The fact that kreuger is starting to sound like Yoda has to be a bit worrying. The Catch-22 of coaching the oilers will drive you nutty faster than you can say Tamblowe.

  188. spoiler says:

    wordbird: Smyth and Jones were absolutely brutal. 2nd period was nothing but own-end turnovers and half-assed fishing for pucks. Brown plays less than 4 minutes.

    Meanwhile, “Nice 6-point game last week, Anton. More pressbox popcorn?”

    I can’t think of any player on the Oilers who played a good 2nd period. Not one.

    But I agree, this is one of the worst games of Hockey I have ever seen Smyth play… and he’s been brutal a few times this season.

  189. Clarence Oveur says:

    What happened to the organization that could find a Jim Dowd, Fernando Pisani, Marty Reasoner, Jason Smith, or Steve Staios?

    Useful players, ones you could plug into your lineup and know that you’ll get quality.

  190. denny33 says:

    Almost funny…if it was not so sad.

    No Getzlaf.
    No Souray. ( Bob Murray trying to keep ST employed?)

    Back to back for ducks.

    Brian Hayward-

    - Oilers extremely soft in their own end
    - Ducks outworked Oilers
    - Oilers fans very, very, very patient
    - Oilers were expected to be a lot better this year.

    This team -outside of the first line- has serious flaws…

  191. denny33 says:

    FastOil,

    Did Sam play tonight?

    When will he be back in the lineup?

  192. Kris11 says:

    spoiler:
    Gagner HAS to stop cheating for offense.This has gone on too long now.When the light goes on, he will be a helluva player, but we need that light to go on.This matters not for this season, but if I’m Tambo I’m gonna tell him he better be more responsible in his own zone and on breakouts for the remaining games or he’s gone in the off-season.

    I’m not sure threatening to trade Gagner from a losing team is much of a threat.

    Not sure how much to offer him this offseason as an RFA. He is a good player, but his offensive boxcars are now better looking than his overall level of play.

    Would 4.35MM (under the new cap) for 4 years get it done?

    He isn’t worth 5MM if he can’t play a better 2-way game than what we have seen this season, IMO. And he might be able to demand 5MM if he can get a flurry of offense to finish the year.

    Now that the Oilers are out of the playoffs, I’d throw him to the wolves of bad zone starts and tough comp. to see what he can do. Also, I’d run him on the PK and rarely on the PP.

    —-

    Also, bring up Hartikainen for development time (before the OKC playoffs) and send down Jones. Hopefully, Jones gets picked up, saving cap space for next year, and if not, OKC gets a good AHL’er for their run and can also get Hartikainen later.

    Also give Lander a game or two in Smithson’s spot.

    Can Smyth be bought out in the offseason under the amnesty? Or is his +35 deal here to stay regardless?

    —-

    It will only have taken the Oilers 8 years to build a team to playoff contention, from 2005-2006 to 2013-2014.

    Losers.

  193. Kris11 says:

    I repeat: Losers.

    We are fans of losers. For near a decade.

    The Oilers are a bunch of losers.

    Losers.

  194. Clarence Oveur says:

    Kris11,

    “But the rebuild began in 2010!” – Oiler management

    Losers, indeed.

  195. CrazyCoach says:

    I was watching the game on my tablet like I do with most of games and I often get the other teams feed which seems to stream better than the Oilers feed.

    Someone mentioned it above and Hayward said that for a team like the Oilers in the position they are in, they didn’t seem to show a whole lot of urgency.

    If there was effort out there tonight, it sure didn’t manifest itself in the play.

    Something is not right in that dressing room.

    Oh well, another Spring of uninterrupted yard work due to no Oilers playoff games. Another season of this kind of horrible play and my place will begin to resemble Buchart Gardens.

    Fire McTamboLowe, please!

  196. VOR says:

    It came up again in this thread. Coris is great and Whitney is bad. I am starting to wonder if you all understand that Corsi is a team statistic? It may not apply to individuals. While I think I am close to proving it has some predictive power for forwards it is much harder to show it for D and the relationship between corsi and goal differential is at best marginally significant for D. Every time I show my work to professional statisticians they find new flaws and suggest new tools and slowly the correlation for D is fading away.

    By the way, if any of you know of a single study that shows individual players should be ranked by corsi instead of, oh say, goal differential per 60 minutes played please let me know. I assume you must know of such a study (presumably published in a peer reviewed journal and sited repeatedly and used by every NHL coach) since you all state it as a factand belittle the befuddled rickithebear for daring to challenge the orthodoxy. I can find tons of material on team success correlated to corsi and other sabremetrics just nothing for individuals.

    Wait you say, it is obvious that if you collect all the best corst players from around the leagu you will have the best corsi performance as a team. Actually, not true. Opportunity matters. A great number of the top 30 D in the league so far this year in relative corsi have had unique opportunities. The most common is playing with their team’s best relative quality corsi linemates. (Corsi for D isn’t stable over time to the extent you need to see to make an argument that you are measuring anything meaningful). Some face terrible competition, some get impossibly good zone starts, some get all three. I believe in the past three years there is now no player in the top 30 in relative corsi for D all three seasons (including this one). When I started trying to prove the relationship of corsi and individual performance I could at least point at Zdeno Chara. Sadly to date this year he is not in the top 30.

    Consider the case of your favorite whipping boy, Ryan Whitney. First look at his corsi. Horrible right?

    Now recalculate it with the minutes Justin and Nick Schultz get with Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins given to Whitney and player X. Give the minutes that Whitney is saddled with Gagner, Hemsky, Paajarvi, and Yakupov to The Schultzs. Suddenly Whitney has a great corsi and Saint Justin and Nicky have horrible corsi. Ever heard of linemate effects? Don’t believe it matters that much? Try doing the math yourself.

    My point is, the opportunity only exists for a couple of D on each team to play the cushy minutes. Making player decisions based on corsi is not yet feasible. First you need to figure out how to predict what will happen to the incoming players’ corsi or the outgoing players for that matter. Then you need to if situational corsi matters (does when your corsi events happen matter?) Also, does the players corsi tell the same story as other sabremetrics?

    Consider your love affair with Justin Schultz. According to many of posters here Justin Schultz is the second coming of Paul Coffey (or better) while Ryan Whitney is useless crap. The problem is if you ignore corsi then by the rather important measure of points per 60 and goal differential, and +/- relative and =/- and so on then Whitney is the better player, and honestly, it isn’t close, at all. Equal offence, way better defence. No it isn’t down to competition effects. JS plays 5th toughest with best linemates. Whitney plays 8th toughest with 5th best. Whitney is also better than Nick Schultz, and again it isn’t close.

    Yes I know, there are times he looks like a beached whale out there. I am going to say it again – there are no style points in hockey. Yeah, Taylor Hall looked amazing tonight, Justin Schultz looked amazing, Ryan Nugent Hopkins looked amazing, Jordan Eberle looked amazing and collectively they accomplished, as is so often the case, sweet fuck all. Which is exactly what Ryan Whitney accomplished. You rave about them, but berate him, because you all think corsi means something for individual players. That it tells you something about how well they are playing. However, there is utterly no proof this is true.

    But I do realize if we could only upgrade Whitney happy days would be here again. It must be so, you all say so. You know it because the great and giving god Corsi-tut has told you so.

    I know that none of this will make any difference since what most of you are doing here is venting frustrations, both those of the common fan and those from your real life. Just try to remember a few minutes a day, that the possibility exists that hockey is not the most important thing in the world. Damn, I’ve forgotten the word for combining attacks on the orthodoxy with full frontal heresy but I am guilty of both and must now burn and my ashes be buried under a mountain in Nevada lest their very existence contaminates others.

  197. hunter1909 says:

    I don’t know what the fuss is all about. Then, I did turn off the game with 3 minutes left, on the basis that if they’d made a miraculous recovery/won in OT then woo hoo, but since they almost certainly weren’t ever going to score against such a big bullying team of men…

    Management has faith in all of the incredible prospects coming up, and therefore will not feel any need to improve the team whatsoever for next year.

    It will draft badly, unless it gets the 1st overall pick. This is a fact, and am sure it can be easily backed up, but since I don’t have to go go court I’ll not worry about that.

    Perhaps building a team around an agreeable, easy to play against third line centre isn’t the way forward? And that agreeable, easy to play against third line forward gives zero to the team by way of leadership?

    I understand. Oilers are stuck, with Horcoff and his ridiculous contract/inability to play worth a shit above the head of a decent third liner, Hemsky and his fancy Dan ballerina routine that is guaranteed for many end to end rushes scattered randomly throughout the season irregardless of game situations, and now Gagner…another Oiler mini player too shitty to carry the team, yet too good to replace.

    Add the fact Oilers are now the new Atlanta Thrashers, their management acts as if it knows better than everyone in the world. They’ve sure got a lot of cup winners running that team, Billy-Bob!

  198. nelson88 says:

    Westcoast games are way to late and it sounds like a game worth missing. The next 4 should be winnable games and make the last week “meaningful” even if they do fall a little short.

    VOR. Great post. too bad it is tail end of the entry and will be missed by most although sadly, as i think you are pointing out, it will be lost on many posters on here.

    Go Oilers.

  199. Woodguy says:

    VOR,

    Considering that I wrote this about corsi in this thread:

    For in season info and projection, corsi works much better.
    With and With Out You (WOWY) analysis with corsi helps tease out the better players.
    Line mate effects are really tough to figure out (how good is Eberle without Hall? Etc)
    Its not perfect, but its a quality measure which has stood up to very close scrutiny.
    You need to use it in context of role on team, line mates and zone starts and others.
    Nothing else that we have predicts as well.
    It would be great to add:
    -battles won/lost
    -passes given/taken
    -zone entries/exits
    To the corsi number to give even more context, but that isn’t available on the NHL game sheets right now.
    All the corsi info comes from the info that the NHL publishes on the game sheets and TOI sheets.

    Basically outlining its limitations, especially how line mate dependent the stat is, I really don’t know what tree you are barking up.

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