TELEGRAM SAM

I think most Edmontonians could give you 5 names for next season’s team and identify several “targets” for the NHL team. Why? How? It’s always been this way.

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If I mentioned the following names, how many would be familiar to you (as possible Oiler options).

  1. D Mark Streit
  2. L RJ Umberger
  3. C Curtis Lazar
  4. R Nathan Horton
  5. C Ryan Johansen
  6. D Jack Johnson

If I mentioned the following names, how many would be familiar to you (as possible Oilers options for exit)

  1. C Sam Gagner
  2. R Ales Hemsky
  3. D Theo Peckham
  4. D Nick Schultz
  5. C Eric Belanger

DO we know these names are in play? If so, how many of the names are actually available and how many are assumed to be? Is there a deal with CBJ for Umberger and Johansen? Perhaps with Gagner as centerpiece?

Interesting names. I keep hearing them. Where are the names coming from? Is it the product of a fanbase with an active imagination? Or, something else?

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  1. leadfarmer says:

    Anyone have the scoop on Zadorov. He is already huge even for the NHL but with pretty slim offense. Is he another McIlrath?

  2. Smarmy says:

    I’m not buying the Lazar hype. The Oilers are not taking him unless he falls to their second pick.

    They whined all year that the need some big offensive player up the middle so they go and pick Lazar? Nah not buying it.

  3. Lowetide says:

    I think he’s a better player than McIlrath, but doubt he’ll deliver on his draft number. The Rangers are probably peeing around his house as we speak.

  4. cabbiesmacker says:

    It’ll be interesting to see what shakes down with Gagner and Hemsky. I’d bet the left that both won’t be with next years version.

    If it’s Hemsky gone I don’t think folks around here are going to like the return. He’s valued a lot higher on this blog than anywhere else and hometown fans almost always have an inflated opinion of what their players can bring in return.

    Gagner brings more but now we’re down to just two legit C’s in Horcoff and RNH. Lander gets the #4 spot by default? I trade him simply because I don’t think he’s what this team needs at 2C, still see the guy as a sinkhole defensively, and he’s going to command between $4.5 and $5.25. Too much for what he brings.

    I use the first rounder + Hemsky, or Gagner + prospect pieces to bring in a player/players with some game, in the 22 – 27 age range. If Colorado is pissed at ROR I’d do either of those combos for him. I still think he’d be a big piece of what this team needs.

    All of Belnager, (cancer), Smyth (sadly), and Jones can take a powder Maybe Petrell as well. Trade value on all is ZERO.

  5. TheOtherJohn says:

    For shame!! One night after Boyd Gordon plays 15 minutes against our 1st line and out scores them (ok that was a fluke)

  6. leadfarmer says:

    So looks like the Devils might be forfeiting a top 10 pick in this draft. That was a bad decision.

  7. leadfarmer says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Wish we could go back to the lockout when we still had high hopes for this team. Schultz weak floater from the slot did not translate as expected.

  8. cabbiesmacker says:

    leadfarmer:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Wish we could go back to the lockout when we still had high hopes for this team.Schultz weak floater from the slot did not translate as expected.

    I wouldn’t move Schultz Jr for anything but the stars Lead. First season in the bigs? The kids a keeper from any angle. He’ll adjust and be a very big piece. He’s the Oilers Duncan Keith.

  9. BlacqueJacque says:

    Soooo… for the full page ad Kickstarter thing, we should start organizing somehow.

  10. Rondo says:

    leadfarmer,

    That is because Oilers are trading their 1st round pick to NJ for Adam Larsson

    I wish.

  11. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Man, Subban is a treat to watch play. I really wish we got in there somehow during the contract dispute.

    you know… that or, drafting him instead of Planted Feet.

    Also… this Buffalo D might be worse than EDM’s somehow.

    Finally… wtf CBC? I’m all for more nationally broadcasted hockey games… hell… more hockey on tv in any way shape or form is a good thing… but why out of all the non-saturday games did you pick this one?

    anyone have an idea?

  12. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Rondo:
    leadfarmer,

    That is because Oilers are trading their 1st round pickto NJ for Adam Larsson

    I wish.

    Why do you think they trade him?

  13. Ice Sage says:

    Thanks LT for keeping the embers stoked during this Game of Thrones type winter.

    Ryan Johanssen can’t be available – he could sure solve a few problems.

    I must be getting old but do all T-Rex songs sound the same????

  14. Rondo says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I don’t, but they need scoring and they have quite a few young D-men in their system.

    It makes some sense to NJ but makes a lot sense to the Oilers.

  15. BrazilianOil says:

    If finally detroit miss the ply off to columbus…wtf

  16. Ice Sage says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    It’ll be interesting to see what shakes down with Gagner and Hemsky. I’d bet the left that both won’t be with next years version.

    If it’s Hemsky gone I don’t think folks around here are going to like the return. He’s valued a lot higher on this blog than anywhere else and hometown fans almost always have an inflated opinion of what their players can bring in return.

    Gagner brings more but now we’re down to just two legit C’s in Horcoff and RNH. Lander gets the #4 spot by default? I trade him simply because I don’t think he’s what this team needs at 2C, still see the guy as a sinkhole defensively, and he’s going to command between $4.5 and $5.25. Too much for what he brings.

    I use the first rounder + Hemsky, or Gagner + prospect pieces to bring in a player/players with some game, in the 22 – 27 age range. If Colorado is pissed at ROR I’d do either of those combos for him. I still think he’d be a big piece of what this team needs.

    All of Belnager, (cancer), Smyth (sadly), and Jones can take a powder Maybe Petrell as well. Trade value on all is ZERO.

    RE: Hemsky – big fan for long time but he should have done a lot more this year with his fixed shoulders and soft minutes. His lack of veteran leadership has also been disappointing. A second rounder will suffice – no country for old sentiments.

  17. BlacqueJacque says:

    Ice Sage,

    …. yeah, I’m in the same boat.

    I’ve defended Hemsky for years now, and I’m done. His game hasn’t grown, hasn’t developed. Meanwhile, the injuries have taken their toll and I’ve run out of arguments to counter the Flames fan at work who mocks the $5m contract.

    There are a LOT of good UFAs for $5m.

    One more reason to #firelowe

  18. "Steve Smith" says:

    Ice Sage,

    “Soft minutes” is putting it a bit strongly. Among the 17 Oiler forwards to play at least ten games this year, Hemsky is 6th in both conventional QualComp and Corsi QualComp, and fourth in RelCorsi QualComp. Seems to be playing second toughs.

    There’s some question as to the value of QualComp when a coach is matching for zonestart, rather than for competition, but to the extent that the data are meaningful, I don’t see “soft minutes”.

  19. Ray says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    It’ll be interesting to see what shakes down with Gagner and Hemsky. I’d bet the left that both won’t be with next years version.

    I’m still hoping Gagner stays, so place the bet with someone who will give the “winnings” to tambo.. at least then he’d have half a set!

  20. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BTW LT,

    I see your Telegram Sam and raise you a Lucifer Sam:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbIMx2MYNXk

  21. Captain Happy says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Ice Sage,

    “Soft minutes” is putting it a bit strongly.Among the 17 Oiler forwards to play at least ten games this year, Hemsky is 6th in both conventional QualComp and Corsi QualComp, and fourth in RelCorsi QualComp.Seems to be playing second toughs.

    There’s some question as to the value of QualComp when a coach is matching for zonestart, rather than for competition, but to the extent that the data are meaningful, I don’t see “soft minutes”.

    Freddie really isn’t playing the zone start matching game either.

    Hall leads the Oilers with 53.5% Ozone starts which is likely just an aberration over Hemsky’s 50.2.

    By way of contrast, Daniel Sedin’s Ozone starts are 66.3%.

    With Kesler back in the lineup the Sedins will likely return to the 79% they posted last season.

  22. fuzzy muppet says:

    Hemsky is gone IMO. His replacement is already on the team and and a package of Hemsky + picks could either bring in a capable Dman (not a 1 or 2, think Sekarasish) or a forward with some size and Defensive ability.

    SMyth is done but may retire. Horidchuk is gone Peckham is gone, Belanger and Abney get bought out. They wont qualify Plante, VDV, House and a host of others (tyrvainen etc.).

    They sign Gernat, Bigos, and Streit(The link between him and RK can’t be ignored) They can wait on signing Zharkov, Simpson another year.

    The FA pool is thin so they will have to trade to improve the lineup.

    Be afraid, be very afraid.

  23. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Here’s a sign if ever there was one.

    On the Oiler page tonight they are promoting Klefbom and Golf:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=665371&navid=DL%7CEDM%7Chome

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/statuses/322521991028563968

    Good to know the PR folks can seamlessly switch into pitching the future from this crap season.

  24. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Also, I’m pretty sure the Habs have played so well this season is because they have so many #7s in their lineup.

  25. rickithebear says:

    Since behind the net has done numbers.
    Players on the team with average or better shot differential.
    -.5 Shot Diff/erencial/12min or better
    (4 lines of 48min EVTOI)

    Players: seasons they achieved versus the # of seasons played
    Hall: 10-11, 11-12, 12-13 3/3
    Penner: 07-08; 08-09; 09-10 3/3
    RNH: 11-12; 12-13 2/2
    Omark: 10-11; 11-12 2/2
    Glemcross: 07-08 1/1
    Hemsky: 07-08; 08-09; 09-10; 11-12 4/6
    Gagner: 08-09; 09-10; 10-11; 11-12 4/6
    Eberle: 10-11; 12-13 2/3
    Harti: 10-11; 12-13 2/3
    Nilsson: 07-08; 09-10 2/3 08-09 .6GD/12
    MAP: 07-08; 09-10
    Horc: 07-08; 08-09; 11-12 3/6
    Cogliano: 07-08; 10-11 2/4
    Reddox: 10-11 1/2
    Potulny: 09-10 1/2
    Stone: 09-10 1/2
    POS: 08-09 1/2
    MP: 11-12 1/3
    Brodziak: 07-08 1/3

    in that time we had 18 players who @ even would give us a chance for our Special teams to get us in the Playoffs.

    We have 6 moving forward:
    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Harti-gagner-MP

    two look like they are done.
    Hemsky
    Horc

    we sent these away,
    Penner
    Omark
    Glencross
    Nilsson
    Cogliano

    4 cause Edmonton MSM said these players were done.

  26. eidy says:

    Zharkov 2 goals

  27. oilersfan says:

    for those of you willing to trade this year’s first for O”Reilly or JOhansen or Adam Larsson are all nuts. If they draft 6 or 7 they can get Sean Monahan who will be like Couturier with offence. He is 6’4, scored 77 points in 54 games in the OHL on the worst team in the league. He may need another year in juniuor but most likely can be the 2/3rd line center this team will need down the road. He will be as good as Oreilly defensively but likely close to a point per game in the NHL when he is mature. Should be something like a second rate Toews. Many project him to be a first line center. In johansen’s draft year he didnt even get one point per game Monahan is getting 1.5 ppg but is known for his penalty killing and defensive game.

    read up on him and try not to get excited.

  28. FPB94 says:

    oilersfan,

    There’s so much better options than Lazar. Including this guy.

  29. oilersfan says:

    oh, and to throw in Hemsky or Gagner plus this year’s first for any of the above players? nuts. Monahan alone is better than any of them.

    I draft Monahan, keep Gagner as Monahan may not be NHL ready, and even try to keep Hemsky. Sign Penner and use the 2014 1st rounder this summer to get the top 4 d needed from a cap strapped team. rebuild complete

  30. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Smarmy,

    Agreed, if the Oilers draft him then Macgregor is a pawn and nothing more.

    ISS has him at 11 which is crazy, Mackenzie has him early 20′s Button who’s not all that off has him right where he should be 28.

    Lazar plays on a elite hockey club, is no where near there best player and will take about 2-3 years to play in the NHL, further more he’s projected to be a third line player……oh and he’s a RW.

    The Oilers need to get aggressive and move up in the daft to target Barkov, Monahan or Nichushkin
    NJ is prime target.

    I would offer up Hemsky and Paajarvi with a second to get that first off of NJ.

    Oilers have to draft a elite center with size and a big LW with size and skill this has to happen this draft.

  31. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    oilersfan,

    I’ll give you two other names to read up on that would get you excited.

    Horvat – Rychel

    Horvat is a Horcoff clone with size and a mean streak.

    Rychel is what every Oiler fan has been asking for, offensive, gig, skilled and a mean SOB.

    Hard not to get excited by both those players.

    Agreed on Monahan, been watching him all year, his team is very bad, plus he’s got a bit of a mean streak as well, got suspended for more then a few games.

  32. fuzzy muppet says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    NJ forfeits their first rounder because of the Kovalchuk ordeal. Lord only knows why they didn’t forfeit last years pick.

  33. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    Since behind the net has done numbers.
    Players on the team with average or better shot differential.-.5 Shot Diff/erencial/12min or better
    (4 lines of 48min EVTOI)

    Players: seasons they achieved versus the # of seasons played
    Hall: 10-11, 11-12, 12-133/3
    Penner: 07-08; 08-09; 09-10 3/3
    RNH: 11-12; 12-132/2
    Omark: 10-11; 11-12 2/2
    Glemcross: 07-08 1/1
    Hemsky: 07-08; 08-09; 09-10; 11-12 4/6
    Gagner: 08-09; 09-10; 10-11; 11-124/6
    Eberle: 10-11; 12-13 2/3
    Harti: 10-11; 12-132/3
    Nilsson: 07-08; 09-10 2/308-09 .6GD/12
    MAP: 07-08; 09-10
    Horc: 07-08; 08-09; 11-123/6
    Cogliano: 07-08; 10-11 2/4
    Reddox: 10-111/2
    Potulny: 09-10 1/2
    Stone: 09-10 1/2
    POS: 08-091/2
    MP: 11-12 1/3
    Brodziak: 07-08 1/3

    in that time we had 18 players who @ even would give us a chance for our Special teams to get us in the Playoffs.

    We have 6 moving forward:
    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Harti-gagner-MP

    two look like they are done.
    Hemsky
    Horc

    we sent these away,
    Penner
    Omark
    Glencross
    Nilsson
    Cogliano

    4 cause Edmonton MSM said these players were done.

    I would say the MSM said they were done because they were sent away, not they were sent away because the MSM said they were done.

    The MSM (for the most part) carry water for the team and if the team decides to do something, anything, it will be written that it was the right move.

  34. Hammers says:

    The question for me is would you trade our #1 , Gags , Nick Schultz ( or a Marachin / Klefbom if needed) & say Hamilton for Shea Webber as I would . Anyone is tradeable if you need & want to do it . Go all in . If you get Streit as a UFA , great at the right price . You won’t move Hemsky ( love him ) untill next Feb/March .5 Mil . If management has the guts and Lowe does (not so much Tambellini ) a trade as above maybe possible . There will be deals out there but doing it is another thing. OK we are down a center but could Horc string 1 year with Yak and Magnus putting Hemsky & Hartski with Lander . Maybe but think of a potential “D” of Webber , Petry , Streit ,Smid J. Schultz & Potter / Peckham . Dump what needs to go as there’s lots as teams will be offloading come draft day .

  35. Captain Obvious says:

    Hammers:
    The question for me is would you trade our #1 , Gags , Nick Schultz ( or a Marachin / Klefbom if needed) & say Hamilton for Shea Webber as I would .

    That is a sickeningly bad idea. The Oilers problem is that they don’t have enough good players and don’t know how to get more good players. Trading half the team for a player on a max contract means they will be a one line team from now until the end of time.

    Having stars isn’t enough to win in the NHL. Every team has stars. It is the team with the most good players that wins. Trading for Weber is pretty close to the worst idea a person could have.

  36. FPB94 says:

    I’m still rooting for Anthony Mantha. 6”4 200 LBS and 50-39-89.

  37. Ice Sage says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Ice Sage,

    “Soft minutes” is putting it a bit strongly.Among the 17 Oiler forwards to play at least ten games this year, Hemsky is 6th in both conventional QualComp and Corsi QualComp, and fourth in RelCorsi QualComp.Seems to be playing second toughs.

    There’s some question as to the value of QualComp when a coach is matching for zonestart, rather than for competition, but to the extent that the data are meaningful, I don’t see “soft minutes”.

    Yes I may have overstated it, assuming RK would deploy the 2nd line in usual fashion. Semi-soft minutes, then – still this ain’t no 2006 Hemsky. Oilers have 2 better RW now…

  38. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: I would say the MSM said they were done because they were sent away, not they were sent away because the MSM said they were done.

    The MSM (for the most part) carry water for the team and if the team decides to do something, anything, it will be written that it was the right move.

    Better way to articulate the process.

  39. Ryan says:

    Captain Obvious,

    I agree with you there. Our number 1 pick this year looks better and better as Your Edmonton Oilers play out the string.

    Good points. The Oilers don’t have enough tradable assets to improve the team without borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.

    Right now, the Oilers are stuck playing a game of Janga to try to build the team.

    As the old saying goes, we’re not one Shea Weber from contending for the cup.

    I know there’s a five year rule in effect on evaluating drafts, but I still can’t help but think they blew their 31 OV picks which doesn’t help the situation.

    The Oilers professional procurement has been nothing short of an epic fail for a long time to boot.

  40. fuzzy muppet says:

    Hypothetically, lets say the Oilers pick 5th. Colorado Wins the Lotto.

    Oilers desperately need Seth Jones. Does a package of 5th OV and Gagner move you up to #1? How about 5th and next years first?

    Just curious…

    Also, I trade Gagner and sign Steohen Weiss to handle the 2C

  41. Captain Happy says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Hypothetically, lets say the Oilers pick 5th.Colorado Wins the Lotto.

    Oilers desperately need Seth Jones.Does a package of 5th OV and Gagner move you up to #1?How about 5th and next years first?

    Just curious…

    Also, I trade Gagner and sign Steohen Weiss to handle the 2C

    Colorado has 3 centres who would slot ahead of Gagner…Duchene, O’Reilly and Statsny.

  42. Woodguy says:

    PDO threw out an interesting one on twitter.

    Grabovski and Gardiner are not in Carlyle’s good books.

    With Carlyle getting TOR to the playoffs for the first time since the 05 lock out, Nonis can’t fire him.

    If he doesn’t like the players or won’t play them, Nonis may have to move them.

    Grabbo played on the 4th line last game, and Gardiner has been HS’d after finally getting back up from the minors.

    I wonder if they do a Grabbo + Gardiner for Gagner + Marincin

    Grabbo is perfect to replace Horcov as he’s a tough minute C who has out shot the best in the past, including last year.

    Doesn’t quite bring enough offence when paired with playing with jugheads for his $5.5MM so he’d be a MSM whipping boy off the bat. :)

    I bet he’d look great between 91 and 64.

    Gardiner is the goods too.

    Young, but he’d fit in this group very well. Played with J.Shultz in WIS.

  43. cabbiesmacker says:

    And this my friends is how the Real teams draft.

    Garrett Ross – Saginaw – 5th rounder

    Finished the 2012-13 season ranked (in the OHL):

    4th (tie) with 44 goals
    4th with four short-handed goals
    7th with 90 points
    15th (tie) with 46 assists
    14th in plus-minus (plus-31), and
    14th with 114 penalty minutes

    Drafted at 165 pounds. Now up to 190.

    Who knew such things were possible?

    One day Mediocre BS might tag one of these in the second round.

  44. sliderule says:

    Zharkov with two goals and first star as Bulls rap up series.

    He looks like a true oiler as he took an open ice hit to head and left game.

    Seems he is ok .Left as precaution.

  45. Ducey says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Wes Mantooth-11,

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    NJ forfeits their first rounder because of the Kovalchuk ordeal.Lord only knows why they didn’t forfeit last years pick.

    NJ can forfeit the pick in 2014. Presumably they won’t this year, Last year was the year to do it though. 29th pick in a weak draft. Uncle Lou messed up there.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=634601#&navid=nhl-search

    By the way. Are there any non fuzzy muppets?

  46. Captain Happy says:

    Woodguy:
    PDO threw out an interesting one on twitter.

    Grabovski and Gardiner are not in Carlyle’s good books.

    With Carlyle getting TOR to the playoffs for the first time since the 05 lock out, Nonis can’t fire him.

    If he doesn’t like the players or won’t play them, Nonis may have to move them.

    Grabbo played on the 4th line last game, and Gardiner has been HS’d after finally getting back up from the minors.

    I wonder if they do a Grabbo + Gardiner for Gagner + Marincin

    Grabbo is perfect to replace Horcov as he’s a tough minute C who has out shot the best in the past, including last year.

    Doesn’t quite bring enough offence when paired with playing with jugheads for his $5.5MM so he’d be a MSM whipping boy off the bat.

    I bet he’d look great between 91 and 64.

    Gardiner is the goods too.

    Young, but he’d fit in this group very well.Played with J.Shultz in WIS.

    That’s a trade really worth pursuing.

    The Leafs have Morgan Reilly and Matt Finn in the pipeline so likely could be convinced to move Gardiner.

    I’m not sure why Carlyle has put Grabovski in a position to fail (sideburns?) but he certainly would be a good fit.

    I doubt the Leafs would have much interest in Marincin given their depth in D prospects but Gagner and Paajarvi might get it done.

  47. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy: That’s a trade really worth pursuing.

    The Leafs have Morgan Reilly and Matt Finn in the pipeline so likely could be convinced to move Gardiner.

    I’m not sure why Carlyle has put Grabovski in a position to fail (sideburns?) but he certainly would be a good fit.

    I doubt the Leafs would have much interest in Marincin given their depth in D prospects but Gagner and Paajarvi might get it done.

    I don’t think you have to give up 2 roster players.

    If they consider Grabbo an overpay, drops his value down.

    Gagner isn’t enough for both, but I don’t think the last piece needs to be as much as PRV.

    Really would fit the Oilers needs well.

    Its bizarre that Carlyle sees sideburns on both players, were two of TOR’s best last year.

  48. fuzzy muppet says:

    ,

    Ducey,

    I didnt realize that they had the option to forfeit the pick again next year. The logic still boggles the mind that they didn’t do it last year when the pick was about as low as it can get.

    My dog looks like the dog from Fraggle Rock. That’s one fuzzy muppet…

  49. fuzzy muppet says:

    Captain Happy,

    I’m almost positive they move out Stastny this off-season (if they can). I merely threw Gagner’s name out because his has decent value.

  50. RickDeckard says:

    oilersfan,

    I’ve been watching Monahan fall down the draft rankings all year and smiling. If the Oilers aren’t in range to get a kid like MacKinnon or Barkov, Monahan is the next best thing. I also like Lindholm but he doesn’t satisfy the “big, Canadian center” crowd like Monahan does.

  51. RickDeckard says:

    Woodguy,

    Carlyle is a terrible coach and dumb as a brick. He thinks people get concussions because their heads are too warm.

    fuzzy muppet,

    Jones is horribly overrated. He isn’t even a ppg as a late 1994 despite the Winterhawks being the second highest scoring team in the CHL.

  52. Captain Happy says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Captain Happy,

    I’m almost positive they move out Stastny this off-season (if they can).I merely threw Gagner’s name out because his has decent value.

    Yeah they might but I would think they would want to move him in the trade for Gagner.

    One more year with a $6.6M cap hit.

    Might be a good fit for the Oilers.

    So what else would the Oilers have to add to get the first overall pick?

    Bearing in mind that Colorado’s biggest need is a top pairing D.

  53. Ducey says:

    Not sure if it has been mentioned but Lander has been sent down.

    Crazy idea: Given they are playing Calgary next, and the Oilers are essentially out of it, why not give Theo a game?

  54. FastOil says:

    The Av’s apparently have a locker room problem – Gagner for O’Reilly straight up.

  55. Captain Happy says:

    FastOil:
    The Av’s apparently have a locker room problem – Gagner for O’Reilly straight up.

    The Av’s cant trade O’Reilly for one calendar year.

  56. Ducey says:

    COL with at least a point tonight. That puts the Oilers only 7 pts out of last.

  57. Woodguy says:

    FastOil:
    The Av’s apparently have a locker room problem – Gagner for O’Reilly straight up.

    In a heartbeat.

  58. skinny65 says:

    The avs cant trade oreilly for a calendar year since they day they signed him, so he’s not literally not allowed to go anywhere. So make some other wishes.

  59. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Woodguy,

    I don’t understand how trading one small center or another small center makes any sense? I can see Gardiner for a prospect and a pick but Grabovski seems like a lateral move?

    The Oiers have to many butter soft players that need to be moved out, bringing in more of the same type player just seems strange.

  60. russ99 says:

    As far as trading up goes, IMO our picks are too good to give up unless we move into the top 3.

    Still think they’re taking D in the first round this year. unless we’re picking higher than 8th. I’m thinking we’d land the most NHL-ready defenseman, Ristolainen. That way Klefbom and Marincin can develop in the AHL for one more year, and besides Gernat and Musil are 2-3 years away.

    Also, I second that motion on signing Stephen Weiss to replace a traded Gagner, but methinks they should sign Weiss before making that deal.

  61. Ryan says:

    Woodguy: In a heartbeat.

    In a heartbeat in a year… :(

  62. DeadmanWaking says:

    I’m on the Boost again. Prematurely. On first launch, I was amazed to see the dark side pass so effortlessly beneath my feet. After a hard splash, it took a week to get my bearings again. “Oh, crap!” Overshot by about eight hours, a full 1/3 rotation of the blue marble. My disoriented disembarkation in the dim undergrowth was tough. I wasn’t feeling great, my subconscious had bitten off more than it could chew, and concurrently the team was on a fatal losing streak, so the vibe here was a carrion-eating, hooked-clawed downer (entirely unlike this fine example of Puritan-baiting joy-smut named in passing by the connoisseur-in-chief. Need I further add Not Suitable for Repressive Cubefarms? Even fronting the cold, intrusive lens I don’t perceive that smile as the least bit faked or false; nor the unmasked lovebirds–as I recall it wasn’t the era; nor the toy-eye lemon cuddle). Somehow Ebert’s passing while I was hip-wading into the brackish waters of criticism wrapped a slimy, puckered noodle around my ankle and pulled me under. My ants abandoned me to the lonely task of burying my organ grinder, who was not really dead, but “just resting” as I noisily protested over my doubt-dispelling internal 1970s used-car lot PA system; just resting under that comfortable blanket of charcoal sod.

    Just as in the sciences we have learned that we are too ignorant to safely pronounce anything impossible, so for the individual, since we cannot know just what are his limitations, we can hardly say with certainty that anything is necessarily within or beyond his grasp. Each must remember that no one can predict to what heights of wealth, fame, or usefulness he may rise until he has honestly endeavored, and he should derive courage from the fact that all sciences have been, at some time, in the same condition as he, and that it has often proved true that the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.

    That from rocket scientist Robert Goddard, who no doubt also believed that any landing not involving tweezers and a zip-lock bag is a good landing. With plucky yet morose resolve I poured over the ballistics report, adjusted my trim, and buckled myself in for a second knuckle-rap of the giant red button; yesterday peaking precisely–as refined and recalibrated–at 24 km elevation, instead of the previous 28. I’m now attending four days of station-keeping in the fickle stratosphere, then another blind plunge through the white oceanic haze, followed by a day or two (hopefully not a week) of zombie forage in some distal hammock jungle grimly decamping the penumbrous canopy to fix my vault (one entire landmass less dis-oriental, please).

    I’m cogitating on many things, even a few on-topic-ish ruminations; however, I’ve heard there’s time enough for counting when the dealing’s done, and as I abused my maiden voyage circumnavigating my belly-button with a chisel-stroke mosaic, I should perhaps turn my attention to whether the Boost also empowers, as many repute, remunerative drudgeries.

    Just one thought for tonight, then. I was struck by a passage in the final chapter of Copula Spiders fulsomely titled Don Quixote, Rosemary’s Baby, Alien, and The French Lieutenant’s Woman: Meditations on the ideology of closure and the comforting lie. (My use of the word “fulsome” here is a private joke–shared with my squeeze–of several layers. A certain mucky-muck of our acquaintance–ordinarily sharp and unaccustomed to reproach–would assiduously revise this word into contexts where only Polonius missed the memo about the word’s increasingly ironic undercurrent of mocking excess. Copula Spiders devotes entire chapters to introducing narrative conflict at the sentence and phrase level through the use of but-constructions and other verbal contrasts. I wonder somehow at Glover’s prolixity when a single well-placed word so easily self-impeaches.)

    Here’s the passage that struck me, set in the text as a parenthetical paragraph:

    It’s fascinating how often the idea of a guardian figure pops up in literature since it was first invented in Plato’s Republic; by guardian figure, I mean the one who, wiser and braver than the rest, approaches and does battle with the Real in order to preserve the innocent, fictional harmony of the normal while himself receiving obscure wounds that never heal–think: the Fisher King of the Grail legends.

    This symbolism is rife in LOTR. Somewhere around sharing a beer with Farmer Maggot (in the book version) it’s implied that the Buckland Hobbits are far less innocent about the evil frontier, and a few even venture into the Old Forest and perhaps (infrequently) consort with Tom Bombadil himself, when serious matters are at hand. Aragorn himself is a Peter Forsberg of the blue point, without the ankle problems (no matter how badly scuffed, he seemingly never suffers a training-room hiatus a Band-Aid shy of elven-pathic resurrection). And, by the end, Frodo himself. Gandalf himself presciently declares (in the movie version with clunky genre-gravitas):

    That wound will never fully heal. He will carry it the rest of his life.

    All hail! This is not a plot wound. It’s a literary wound. This entire chapter is about endings, and what endings mean. I guess I’ll have to save the rest for another time.

    On a final note, I was first attracted to Lowetide because of the grace and wisdom of his writing. While I’m hostile in the extreme toward the unearned entitlements of the selectorate (this is a term from Bruce Bueno de Mesquita) one must bear in mind that embarking upon a grassroots Kvetchsnubber campaign effectively erects a giant signpost: No Grace or Wisdom, next 500km. It moves the debate into a reactive quadrant.

    The last time we visited the reactive quadrant, it was Lowe’s Year of Living Dangerously. When it gets to the place where people are muttering “anything is better than nothing” it means that people already have one foot twinching toward the exit. If the intervention really blows up (e.g. takes a cap-munching jaunt down the mushroom-cloud highway of Yashin, DiPietro, Gomez) then anything is still better than nothing, because couldn’t-give-a-fuck throws a leg over the saddle and becomes the New 100% That’s the implied threat, isn’t it: a pitch-fork wielding mob publicly disengaging the downside–a little not-my-crater brinkmanship to gain the full attention of the man behind the bat-signal, who can’t so easily walk away (after the shovel turns). “Anything is better than nothing” functions as a sly way to declare conditional allegiance without acquiring traitorous tattoos that will get you mugged on the bandwagon if someday once again the confetti flows.

    While it sure wouldn’t hurt if the organization was more publicly engaged in defending their steady-as-she-goes long term plan, I cringe a bit inside at the potential outcome of a mob-induced walrus-hunting bonanza.

    Hockey-Chernobyl is not an improvement over hockey-Siberia, even in Edmonchuck after the last covered wagon bids soyonara.

  63. Woodguy says:

    Wes Mantooth-11:
    Woodguy,

    I don’t understand how trading one small center or another small center makes any sense? I can see Gardiner for a prospect and a pick but Grabovski seems like a lateral move?

    The Oiers have to many butter soft players that need to be moved out, bringing in more of the same type player just seems strange.

    Grabbo has a history of being able to play against the toughest comp and score.

    This year is an anomaly for him.

    I’m starting to think that the terrible possession numbers for the Oilers are not 100% a player thing, but also a systematic thing.

    Grabbo for Gagner wouldn’t be a win straight across, but if you can get Gardinier out of TOR in the process its a big win and you are filling the 2C hole you created while filling a LHD hole.

  64. Beaker says:

    russ99:
    As far as trading up goes, IMO our picks are too good to give up unless we move into the top 3.

    Still think they’re taking D in the first round this year. unless we’re picking higher than 8th. I’m thinking we’d land the most NHL-ready defenseman, Ristolainen. That way Klefbom and Marincin can develop in the AHL for one more year, and besides Gernat and Musil are 2-3 years away.

    Also, I second that motion on signing Stephen Weiss to replace a traded Gagner, but methinks they should sign Weiss before making that deal.

    WTF do we draft a D for? Our D prospects are bubbling up and its totally counter productive to draft a D for the sole purpose of slamming him into the lineup so we can keep another D prospect who has been developing out. We need a centerman way more than a D and even so I dont think you draft any player outside the top 5 with the intention of playing them next year unless they force their way onto the lineup.

    I think the only way we grab a D with our first pick this year is if its Seth Jones (lottery or by some miracle a trade up)

  65. FPB94 says:

    Woodguy,

    Didn’t Gardner force himself out of Anaheim (or did they trade him intentionally I can’t remember).

    But maybe Carlyle hates him because he forced out of there.

    Agreed on Seth Jones. He’s being severly inflated by his teammates (3 guys at 120 points) and he’s playing with a 20 year old draftee (Troy Rutkowski) (Which I tought as a nice 2nd-3rd round choice at the time)

  66. Woodguy says:

    FPB94:
    Woodguy,

    Didn’t Gardner force himself out of Anaheim (or did they trade him intentionally I can’t remember).

    But maybe Carlyle hates him because he forced out of there.

    No idea, but he’s not playing and that puts Nonis in a tough spot.

    GM’s usually don’t tell the coach who to play or how to deploy the roster.

  67. FrankenOil says:

    Woodguy,

    Except in Edmonont

  68. Hammers says:

    Woodguy,

    Woodguy . I would do Gags & #1 ( if its 8+) for Grabbo & Gardner . The Oil need to make some kind of move especially if there #1 won’t play for a year or two .My point on Shea Webber was that there maybe potential deals out there.

  69. FrankenOil says:

    I find it interesting that many are pumping Horvat and slagging Lazar. I read someone saying he has “size” when he is the exact same size as Lazar – both are around 6′-0″. Here is the comparison on their stat line as well:

    Horvat : 68GP 33G 28A 61Pts 29PIM +3
    Lazar : 72GP 38G 23A 61Pts 47PIM +25

    Lazar’s TSN DraftCentre profile by Craig Button:

    Curtis has the puck skills of top scorers. He can beat you with a shot from 35 feet out or by skating past a defender given the opportunity. He has excellent offensive instincts and a great release on his shot. He is very good in traffic and he is a player who bears down in the scoring areas to get his opportunities. His skating is very good and his quickness may be better than his speed, but he’s a guy who can play at a high pace and tempo. He gets involved and will assert physically to win the puck and gain advantages. He is good all around player who finds a way to impact the game in many ways, even physically. He has excellent playing sense and reads and anticipates the play very well, which combined with his skill, makes him very hard to keep in check. Comparable Style: Patrick Sharp

    I keep reading goal scorer, (which is true – you don’t get 38 goals by accident – for comparison’s sake Eberle had 42 in his draft year), plays with intensity (hmm, the Oilers don’t need that do they? We are always talking on this blog about how high the compete level is on this team), and plays with pysicality. Lazar is not going to be a reach of Morozian proportions. I kept reading that he doesn’t belong in the 10-15 range even though ISS has him at #11 and McKenzie dropped him at mid-season from #9 to #25 mainly because of his scoring drought in October when he didn’t score a single goal.I will bet that in McKenzie’s final rankings, we will see him back in the 12-18 range. The Lazar bashing is getting absolutely ridiculous, almost to the levels of the media bashing Hemsky pre-2011 trade deadline.

  70. gcw_rocks says:

    If you want Larsson, doesn’t the conversation with Uncle Lou start with Gagner? Lou doesn’t impress me as the kind of GM who trades young players for draft picks, but rather young players for more established players.

  71. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    FrankenOil,

    It’s not that I am bashing Lazar or really against him…..However if I may.

    The Oilers problem is they have to many Lazar players on this team.

    They don’t NEED him in the sense of position as well, although the he’s listed as a C he in fact players RW, if I’m not mistaken a lot of the scouts are listing him as a RW/C now.

    Lazar will take at the very minimum at least two years.

    The Oilers at this point can’t even wait for Paajarvi or Hartikinanen to finish developing IMO, they need to get aggressive and need immediate help now.

    While the ISS is a good service, Mackienze is almost gospel. While Button my be a little off on who he lists in the top ten he’s pretty accurate 10 and up and is a very good source of information and I might add very well connected.

    This maybe the most damning of them all, Lazar plays on a ultra elite team, were he is NOT considered there best player, the fact he did go into a extensive drought further worried the scouts, the fact he wasn’t even invited to the WJC after his play in the summit series is a BIG clue to how the coaching staff viewed his play.

    Not to mention were the Oilers are drafting from, they will leave both NEED and BPA on the table.

  72. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Also, those Horvat numbers, I might add, 80% in the face off dot, he also fights and is London Knights best shut down player.

    Lazar has no of that. That’s why Horvat is considered by scouts to be a better all round player.

    Don’t want to believe me that’s fine, the memorial cup is coming and you can watch Horvat.

  73. russ99 says:

    Beaker,

    Two reasons; our biggest need and lack of impact players available both in FA and via trade.

    The only reason some fans want the Oilers draft a center (and we won’t get a big impact guy drafting at 10-13) is that they want Gagner and/or Horcoff out of town.

    And we certainly shouldn’t draft a bottom 6 player that high.

    Besides at best you can pencil in 1-2 good players out of Klefbom, Marincin, Musil and Gernat, 2-3 years down the road and who knows if any of them develop into a star.

    Would you rather us bring back Grebeskov and rush Klefbom or draft a young good player who can step in now?

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