“HE’S CRAZY! HOW WOULD HE KNOW WHERE WE’RE GOING?”

This is Sean Monahan. I believe the Oilers will value his complete skill set very highly, and he may end up going to the Oil at #7. There is an alternative scenario that makes some sense, but this is going to be about the center position in round one. I think they may also deal down to the 15-20 range and grab Lazar in that slotting.

  • Corey Pronman: Monahan is a top-end thinker who shows good all-around play. My only quibble with him is only average skating, but aside from that, he does everything else well or really well.

mbs

My guess for the Oilers list:

  1. Seth Jones
  2. Nathan MacKinnon
  3. Jonathan Drouin
  4. Sasha Barkov
  5. Sean Monahan
  6. Elias Lindholm
  7. Anthony Mantha

I think it’s Monahan unless they deal down for Lazar.

“THE QUOTE”

2004 NHL Draft

  • “A lot of fans have come up to me and implored me not to do anything stupid with the core group and I’ll bear that advice, heed that advice.”
  • “Ryan Smyth will be back.”
  • “Ales has been a good Oiler but I won’t talk about his future until I have a conversation with him.”
  • “Everything is for sale. Everything has a price but highly unlikely any of those guys (Hall,RNH,Eberle,Schultz,Nail) will be moved.”
  • “We had to go out and trade for another player to do his job.” (Fistric in for Peckham)
  • “To be a top level goaltender he’s gotta play better.” (on Dubnyk)
  • “I think that’s fair {to expect 8 new Oilers}.”
  • “We want more toughness, more meat and more depth in our lineup.”
  • “We have to add some role players. In today’s NHL, even marginally, you have to be a threat to score. We had a lot of guys that the best they were going to be in any given game was a non-factor. The few times that they did (produce), we ended up winning those games. We’ve got to get more of an impact from them and add some complementary pieces.”
  • “Devan took a step this season and his numbers were good. But he’s got a little further to go to be a lop-level goaltender in this league. Not to suggest that goaltending was the reason for the situation we were in. He took a lot of good looks, night in and night out.”
  • “We got together this morning and will continue that throughout the week to discuss a myriad of things. There are some concerns and questions I have for Ralph and I’m sure he’s got plenty for me as well. We’ll have those discussions down the road, but we can’t lose sight of the fact that we can’t continually place blame on the coaches.”
  • “We need more footspeed to play the style that best suits our skill-set. We have to move the puck quicker and the defencemen have to skate into open ice to get them the puck. We didn’t get back hard enough on breakouts.”
  • “Sam had an unbelievable year (38 points in 48 games) and has developed into a leader here by all regards. In the limited discussions with the group (of players) in there, he’s got the type of character we want.”

One would guess that Paajarvi, the 7th overall selection, an offer sheet and the “three-for-one” are options, and credit to speeds for bringing up the offer sheet as a possibility.

Possible Oilers for 13-14 based on MacT’s comments

  1. Taylor Hall
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  3. Nail Yakupov
  4. Justin Schultz
  5. Jordan Eberle
  6. Sam Gagner
  7. Jeff Petry
  8. Ladislav Smid
  9. Shawn Horcoff
  10. Ryan Smyth
  11. Devan Dubnyk

We wait.

THE LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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This morning at 10am Edmonton time ”The Lowdown with Lowetide”–on the TEAM 1260.

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  1. bookje says:

    However, the radio still works, funny as that may seem.

  2. godot10 says:

    I said it last year with Renney. And I will say it again now.

    Paajarvi is a litmus test of a good coach and a good GM. MacT is an idiot if he trades him. I think Krueger has drunk my Paajarvi Kool-Aid. And well, Paajarvi is the kind of player MacT loved as a coach.

    I’m not too worried. Paajarvi made significant strides this year, moving past a boatload of prospects and veterans. He started in OKC, and ended up on the 2nd line. And he was the first guy to find Yakupov on the ice.

  3. tcho says:

    godot10,

    MacT can trade anybody IMO. Heck , he can trade Hall (sacrilege, I know). He’d just better be bringing back Doughty in return. :-)

    I like MPS. The math likes MPS. But I’d get over him leaving (just not for Eager II).

  4. regwald says:

    I like the comments from last night where someone said trading up with Nashville or Carolina into the 4th or 5th spot to guarantee getting a Center that they covet vs trading down to get Lazar.

  5. DBO says:

    I think you can expect something like this if we got a look at the Oilers boardroom

    HALL – NUGE – EBERLE
    ??? – GAGNER – YAKUPOV
    PAAJARVI – HORC -???
    SMYTH -??? – BROWN
    LANDER – HARTIKAINEN

    ??? – SHULTZ
    SMID – PETRY
    SHULTZ -???
    ???

    DUBNYK
    ???

    That is 7 new spots.
    Hemsky if he won’t accept 3rd line role may be gone.
    Jones I think is signed late summer if they don’t find what they want in ufa’s or trade.
    potter is a serviceable 7th or 8th dman but is expendable.
    The rest are gone. Buyout or trade.

  6. Hammers says:

    The thing with Magnus is his defensive game and he needs a 3rd line role say with Horc & Hemsky then you have players that can move up if required by injury . McT problem will be what assets his willing to give up to get a top “D” and the other LW we need . To bad we can’t clone Hall .

  7. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    LT, just to be contrary, but unless they can trade up or down 2 spots I doubt they take either Monahan or Lazar. Monahan won’t be there at 7 and based on Uncle Bob last night Domi and Lazar have at least 2 teams that take them before 15

  8. DBO says:

    And if Stu likes Lazar as much as Monahan then they should trade down. Maybe they trade the 7th to Buffalo for Minny’s 1st rd pick and Stafford. Buffalo dumps salary, we get a guy with size who has been mentioned by the msm so much ya gotta think the org has said something, and we still have a shot at Lazar around 16 or so. Maybe we draft Monahan and if Lazar is still there at that later spot you pull the trigger on that deal.

  9. Cobbler says:

    LT, Perhaps a point of discussion for your show, but do you feel that Monahan might be ready for NHL duty? What of the other C’s available in the 1st round?

  10. Smarmy says:

    Only draft thing I can add this year is I want the Oilers to take a flyer on Alex Forsberg with their last pick.

    The kid wants to be in the NHL and has the skill but two things need to happen.

    1). He needs the fuck out of Prince George. (The worst franchise in the WHL)
    2). He needs to listen to his new coach and the Oilers and work towards being a player again.

    He will never go back to Prince George so get him on the Oil Kings and see if you can grind out a player. Low risk high reward sort of deal.

  11. russ99 says:

    Not especially happy with the idea of Horcoff and Smyth both being 2 of the bottom 6 next year. I still think that playoffs won’t happen until we have a shutdown 3rd line.

    Horcoff could be a useful piece if he ends up with two more bigger, better wingers, but his salary/cap number could be better spent going forward. Maybe that would be more vital next offseason than this one.

    IMO, if we keep either of them, they should be getting low minutes of icetime on the 4th line and pick their spots.

  12. j says:

    MacT is a real beauty. Just words at the moment, but we haven’t had anyone state the obvious so openly, succinctly and convincingly since Sather. And you couldn’t trust a word he said!! In the past, we accepted Tambo’s passive approach as we felt is was part of a bigger plan. Now, I think the fans are restless and want to see some moves – even if they don’t work out for the best. Sounds ridiculous but there is blood in the water and action is inevitable. Hopefully, the result is we keep our core, add some of the elements discussed above, and steam roll into the playoffs next year. It really is a possibility given the incredible talent we have assembled. Not many teams have our nucleus potential.

  13. Ryan says:

    “We have to add some role players. In today’s NHL, even marginally, you have to be a threat to score. We had a lot of guys that the best they were going to be in any given game was a non-factor. The few times that they did (produce), we ended up winning those games. We’ve got to get more of an impact from them and add some complementary pieces.”

    -music to our ears…

    “There are some concerns and questions I have for Ralph and I’m sure he’s got plenty for me as well. We’ll have those discussions down the road, but we can’t lose sight of the fact that we can’t continually place blame on the coaches.”

    Tea leaves: He’s not going to throw RK under the bus which is classy, but not a resounding endorsement either…

  14. Racki says:

    I think the Oilers will hang on to their 7th until Monahan is selected. I’d like to think (hope) that they have a lot of interest in a guy with his skill set, even if this pick is just to stock the shelves and we won’t see the fruits of the pick for a bit (not saying this would be the case, just saying it would still be beneficial). Monahan might be available still at 7. There are always surprise picks even in the top 10 (ex. Griffin Reinhart jumping up to #4 overall last year, Sean Couturier dropping to 6th after all the hype around him, or Cam Fowler dropping to 12 in 2010), so we don’t know for sure he’ll be gone. Hell, by some miracle, Barkov could be available (this is doubtful though).

    That said though, this 7th overall pick is one of our best available assets, if not the best. I think MacTavish is going to be open to a lot of offers and shopping the pick heavily. I hope in the process though, he does manage to get the team a mid 1st pick. There are some good players still projected in that middle range. Of course there is Lazar (who was projected later, but given his “extended season” and his late push in regular season, he could go sooner)… I also haven’t given up the idea that Gauthier could be the type we’re looking for. So who knows. It feels different this year, not knowing we’re getting a “slam dunk” of a player.

  15. russ99 says:

    Draft wise, IMO we’re better off picking a big, physical Ristolainen or Nurse to contribute to a defensive pairing next season than to pick an center that can’t feasibly contribute to the NHL roster next season; especially if we end up keeping all of RNH, Gagner and Horcoff.

    Especially if we’re talking Monahan who’s numbers have not jumped in his third OHL year. Yes, that could be due to a bad team, but numbers don’t lie and he’d never be confused for RNH or even Seguin for that matter.

  16. Rondo says:

    LT,

    Your list for the Oilers draft , why have you excluded Valeri Nichushkin?

  17. slopitch says:

    I could see Columbus wanting to move up in the draft (3 firsts). RJ Umberger and the 14th pick for the 7th? Oilers draft Lazar.

    So many options. Tough to predict what people will do. I tend to think using the pick and developing him properly (1-2 years in juniors or ahl) is the best way to go. That way we can have a ELC play when we’re swinging for Stanley’s.

  18. FrankenOil says:

    Would anyone entertain the idea of trading for Byfuglien in some form of package that may or may not include the #7?

    I think he is an intriguing pick-up because he would give the Oilers the option of:

    1)Big, puck-moving D-man who can play 25 minutes a night
    2)Power Forward like he was in CHicago

  19. slopitch says:

    Hey LT, can you ask Pronman if he’s still high on Bjugstad? Or moreso what he thinks Florida will do. They are fairly stacked up the middle, I could see them taking Drouin just as easily as taking Mackinnon. For you poolies out there, its too bad MSL is getting there in age. Drouin with Stamkos and MSL would be insane.

  20. Ryan says:

    Just read some more MacT quotes in the Journal…

    From where I’m coming from, my preference would have been to airlift the entire Coyotes organization from Maloney, Tippet, to the pro scouting staff… As we all know, it’s been 7 years etc…

    That being said, I have to admit like Lowetide and Tyler, whatever MacT is selling, I’m buying.

    Like them, there’s a reasonable chance that I’ll be wrong, but there’s certainly a razor-sharp intelligence to every sound bite they get from him.

  21. FastOil says:

    Pajaarvi’s Achilles’ heel might be his demeanor. I’m sure they like his progress and play, what’s not to like?

    Yet from taking in everything MacT seems to want role players that can play and have attitude. Initiators instead of reactors. If MPS and Harti are around next season they’ll have to find their inner Viking to stay methinks.

  22. danny says:

    I haven’t read this anywhere specifically per se, and as obvious as the statement may be to everyone, I think it’s a shame to not explicitly state… one thing we know for sure from all of the MacT quotes:

    The Rebuild is officially over.

    It’s nice to not be living in the fog of war.

  23. Mr DeBakey says:

    credit to speeds for bringing up the offer sheet as a possibility.

    To be fair, Copper N Blue has already done its annual “Double Offer Sheet” post.

  24. godot10 says:

    russ99:
    Draft wise, IMO we’re better off picking a big, physical Ristolainen or Nurse to contribute to a defensive pairing next season than to pick an center that can’t feasibly contribute to the NHL roster next season; especially if we end up keeping all of RNH, Gagner and Horcoff.

    Especially if we’re talking Monahan who’s numbers have not jumped in his third OHL year. Yes, that could be due to a bad team, but numbers don’t lie and he’d never be confused for RNH or even Seguin for that matter.

    Nobody the OIlers draft at #7 is contributing next year. Any defensemen will likely be further away than a centre. Klefbom and Marincin are the two defensemen who might contribute next year. Monahan, Nurse, and Ristolainen are a couple of years away.

  25. danny says:

    FastOil:
    Pajaarvi’s Achilles’ heel might be his demeanor. I’m sure they like his progress and play, what’s not to like?

    Yet from taking in everything MacT seems to want role players that can play and have attitude. Initiators instead of reactors. If MPS and Harti are around next season they’ll have to find their inner Viking to stay methinks.

    I don’t think that’s entirely accurate. MacT loves defensively responsible players. Pisani, Dvorak…. Toby Peterson.

    PRV’s bailing out of plays was a problem earlier in his career, but this past season I don’t think it was an issue. He’s still a little shy of the tough areas, but it’s not a fatal flaw as it once looked like it may be. His production has responded accordingly. Once he bulks up a bit with his man strength, I think he will be a championship team calibre 3rd liner that can play shutdown minutes.

    A comparable IMO could be Jere Lehtinen

  26. Its a Trap says:

    I bet either Florida or Tampa make a huge push to try to acquire back to back picks. Getting both MacKinnon and Drouin is a possibility for either of them.

  27. LMHF#1 says:

    No taking a defenceman that high unless he’s the second coming. Trade the pick if you want an immediate contributor on D.

  28. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I really don’t like this idea of trading the 7th. I think if you’ve got the chance at Monahan, Lindholm or the Russian, you’ve got to take it and pack the bags for the future.

    Trading up or down would be more agreeable… but the idea of trading Hemsky, or whatever, to move up a few spots when we could have simply lost 2 games would be a hard pill to swallow.

    I’d much rather they toy with next years picks and acquire players via other means (ufa, offer sheet, 3 for 1, etc.)

    It was interesting to see Bobby Mac have Lindholm ahead of Monahan. If that holds, we may not only end up with a Centre but our apparent preferred choice.

    I’m also not counting out the possibility that someone pulls a Reinhart and takes Nurse or one of the other big Ds early to ease the anxiety over getting a C.

  29. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Oh… and I loved hearing MacT say the bottom 6 need to score and that footspeed is crucial…

    but a part of Oiler-me died listening to him talk about Hemsky like he was already out the door.

    That is going to be a sad, sad day….

    the only silver lining would be that we’ve expected it all for so long, it would be a kind of relief to have it over with.

  30. Its a Trap says:

    This pick combined with something else (prospect D or Gagner) would get us a very useful center. Gags plus the seventh might get us Wilson and a defenseman out of Nashville. They get to pick 4th and 7th, we get an upgrade on gags and a serviceable dman. Hell I’d add a third reasonable asset if it got us Klein. I wouldn’t hesitate to trade that pick at all if it solves the second line.

  31. LMHF#1 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Oh… and I loved hearing MacT say the bottom 6 need to score and that footspeed is crucial…

    but a part of Oiler-me died listening to him talk about Hemsky like he was already out the door.

    If you combine the bottom 6 comments with his words on Hemsky, I see a conversation about role (“we need you as a vet leader on line 3 playing strong in all ends) coming before anything happens.

    They haven’t even let the guy PK yet. He has a lot to give in terms of what they need.

  32. denny33 says:

    russ99,

    No kidding…does not sound like a lot of change for the vaunted top 9 forwards of our group…

    I can only assume other teams will have to make moves to counteract nearly 40 year old Ryan Smyth and 35 yearold Sean Horcoff coming back.

  33. denny33 says:

    FrankenOil,

    I have posted this thought a few times with no response.

    Winnipeg Free Press came out with an article this past weekend – saying the organization needs to move Dustin…

    I know we are looking for a left handed D-man but Dustin can push the puck. And his play on the PP is nearly dominant – heavy shot.

    Sketchy in his own end for sure…

  34. prairieschooner says:

    The problem the Oiler are facing is similar to the puzzle of the farmer, the fox, the bag of seed, and the chicken.He is on his way to market and comes to a river but the boat is small and he can only take one in the boat.How does he get everyone across safely. (I told the whole story so some of you can look cool with your kids).
    The Oilers need to get bigger but they are keeping Gagner
    The Oilers need to get tougher but they like MPS development
    The like Hartis Size but need more goalscoring from the bottom lines
    The just got a new farmer but he did not get to hire the farmhands
    How does the new farmer get his crops to market?

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    LMHF#1: If you combine the bottom 6 comments with his words on Hemsky, I see a conversation about role (“we need you as a vet leader on line 3 playing strong in all ends) coming before anything happens.

    They haven’t even let the guy PK yet. He has a lot to give in terms of what they need.

    That’s the charitable interpretation.

    He used that phrasing about “human element” and needing to “talk to the player” before commenting on Hemsky, Nik and Smyth…

    all very different players with very different hockey futures.

    I could see all 3 back… but 83 is the only one I genuinely want to stay.

    If the conversation is… we need size in the top 6. You are going to have to play with 10 and 91 on the 3rd line, with 2nd PP minutes, and that means you aren’t going to be as valuable to the market when you’re contract is up, are you ok with that?

    then I like it, appreciate the honesty and hope it works for both player and team…

    but i’m more concerned that the conversation goes like this: thanks for being an Oiler, we need size in the top 6 and can’t afford your contract on our 3rd line.

  36. Gerta Rauss says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:

    It was interesting to see Bobby Mac have Lindholm ahead of Monahan. If that holds, we may not only end up with a Centre but our apparent preferred choice.

    I took a look at the latest ISS rankings last night-they’ve got Lindholm listed at 6′ and 192 lbs-the boy appears to be putting on weight. I’d be happy with either Lindholm or Monahan.

  37. FastOil says:

    slopitch:
    I could see Columbus wanting to move up in the draft (3 firsts).RJ Umberger and the 14th pick for the 7th?Oilers draft Lazar.

    So many options.Tough to predict what people will do.I tend to think using the pick and developing him properly (1-2 years in juniors or ahl) is the best way to go.That way we can have a ELC play when we’re swinging for Stanley’s.

    RJ Umberger is turning 31. He scored .375 PPG down from his .55 career average despite the team being better for once and averaging over 18 minutes per game, meaning he is likely declining. He had 16 PM so he is not the physical player the Oilers crave.

    Pajaarvi scored the same with 4 less minutes per game, had the same PM’s, for 1/3 the money and is 9 years younger. RJ has a long (2017) now expensive contract. Let CBJ keep that one it’s ugly. He is not the answer, he is another Horcoff type contract everyone loves so much in Edmonton.

  38. denny33 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    It is nothing short of brutal – this team felt inclined to go balls out to beat Minnesota and a Vancouver team that was playing for nothing….

    We will look back and realize it cost us a cornerstone player.

    But we won games 47 & 48 in a shortened NHL season…so…we can thump our chest.

  39. denny33 says:

    prairieschooner,

    Add to that it looks like we are bringing back Horcoff and Smyth….

  40. Gerta Rauss says:

    denny33,

    How so..?

    Even if we had lost both games, with the benefit of hindsight(the season is over) we couldn’t have picked higher than 5th. Maybe Barkov slides out of the top 4(I doubt it) but the top 4 seems to be fairly set in stone.

  41. Jordan says:

    prairieschooner,

    Hopefully not the way the last farmer did.

    Flooding the field and claiming crop insurance only works for so long – especially when it’s already happened 3 years in a row, and this year looks to be a sunny one.

    1 – Keeping Gagner isn’t bad as long as you have another player who is ready to take his spot in 2 years, or he signs a 4M x 4Y+ contract, and you bring in the second coming of Bill Guerin to play with him and keep teams honest.

    2 – Take MPS to mike Grier’s school of hitting. Problem solved.

    3 – I’m not convinced Harksi is any better than the other bottom 6 players the team is flushing right now. I don’t think you can expect to count on him as anything more than the 13 F right now. So, is it more valuable to have him play that role? or play on the farm?

    HALL – NUGE – EBERLE
    ??? – GAGNER – ???
    PAAJARVI – HORC – YAKUPOV
    SMYTH??? -??? – ???
    BROWN??? – HARTIKAINEN???

    ??? – SHULTZ
    SMID – PETRY
    SHULTZ -???
    POTTER???

    DUBNYK
    ???

    I don’t think the team can keep both Smyth and Hemsky next year. One of them needs to go, and possibly both. I think Hemsky is more tradable. Potter I would keep as 7th at league minimum. No more.

    Would it be worthwhile for the Oilers to eat a bad salary in trade for a compliance buyout and keep paying Eager or Belanger to stay home?

  42. ashley says:

    Lots of good ideas here today. I’m on board for a trade…either trade the pick away or trade down in exchange for real NHL players with proven success.

    I’m sick of losing, and whoever is available at number 7 is not going to do anything to improve this team in October, even if they make the roster (unlikely).

  43. Mr DeBakey says:

    this team felt inclined to go balls out to beat Minnesota and a Vancouver team that was playing for nothing….

    They scored 6 goals on their first 11 shots.
    They were, as usual, getting outshot the whole time.
    Sometimes the puck goes in.

  44. Jordan says:

    ashley,

    I think we can all agree that if the roster is so weak that whoever the Oilers draft this year looks like a better bet than the vets, it’s not that he is a better bet, but that MacT failed to construct an adequate roster.

  45. jonrmcleod says:

    What I think you’ll see on the top two lines is this:

    Hall – X – Yakupov
    Y – RNH – Eberle

    Perhaps Gagner centers the Hall-Yakupov line. I think the Oilers’ management is looking for at least one skilled “gritty” forward to take one of those two spots.

  46. Bruce McCurdy says:

    The Minnesota win was unexpected. By the time the Vancouver game even started the #7 draft seed was a lock, so no reason whatsoever not to lay an ass-kicking on the Canucks (aka “Random Dudes Wearing Canucks Sweaters).

    I didn’t mind the end-of-season wins, both the team and its fans needed a reminder that there are reasons for optimism. That 1-9-0 stretch is going to taste bad enough all summer without it running unabated to the end. As it was with a 3-9-0 finish they fell a long way from the cusp of a playoff position to halfway down the list of teams that missed the post-season.

  47. Gerta Rauss says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Exactly-with 12 games remaining we were in a playoff spot-we should be (grateful???) we are picking 7th.

  48. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    denny33:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    It is nothing short of brutal – this team felt inclined to go balls out to beat Minnesota and a Vancouver team that was playing for nothing….

    We will look back and realize it cost us a cornerstone player.

    But we won games 47 & 48 in a shortened NHL season…so…we can thump our chest.

    Actually, we got outshot 7-3 in that Minn game. we lucked out of the 3rd or 4th pick…

    the hockey gods didn’t want us in the top 5.

    still, it’s irritating… but I’ve moved on (ish)… or course, if we trade something nice away to move up a couple of spots… that wound will open again.

  49. FastOil says:

    danny: I don’t think that’s entirely accurate. MacT loves defensively responsible players. Pisani, Dvorak…. Toby Peterson.

    PRV’s bailing out of plays was a problem earlier in his career, but this past season I don’t think it was an issue. He’s still a little shy of the tough areas, but it’s not a fatal flaw as it once looked like it may be. His production has responded accordingly. Once he bulks up a bit with his man strength, I think he will be a championship team calibre 3rd liner that can play shutdown minutes.

    A comparable IMO could be Jere Lehtinen

    I hope you’re right about MacT’s opinion. I agree Pajaarvi is quality and think the jam will come, I just wonder how long he’ll be given.

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    The Minnesota win was unexpected. By the time the Vancouver game even started the #7 draft seed was a lock, so no reason whatsoever not to lay an ass-kicking on the Canucks (aka “Random Dudes Wearing Canucks Sweaters).

    I didn’t mind the end-of-season wins, both the team and its fans needed a reminder that there are reasons for optimism. That 1-9-0 stretch is going to taste bad enough all summer without it running unabated to the end. As it was with a 3-9-0 finish they fell a long way from the cusp of a playoff position to halfway down the list of teams that missed the post-season.

    true. I was watching that Carolina game knowing the silver lining of them losing would be me relaxing into enjoying a hopeful pounding on the nucks… and so it was!

  51. ashley says:

    Lots of accusing undertones in this piece re: tanking.

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/calgary-flames/Calgary+Flames+luck+draft+lottery+will+pick/8312457/story.html

    As much as it is joked about around here, I don’t think it is possible to purposely tank. Each player has personal goals and future contracts to think about…not to mention pride. Nobody can put on the equipment and try to lose. I think Cruickshank’s accusations are unfounded and undoubtedly are pointed jealously to the North.

    What he doesn’t realize is that we were, legitimately, the shittiest or almost the shittiest team in the entire league for several years now. It’s sort of sad for us, actually. Not anything to be envious of.

  52. VanOil says:

    If Gagner is coming back and the #7 pick is not rushed into the NHL and top 6, where do you put the incoming Beef?

    Beef – RNH – Eberle
    Hall – Gagner – Yak

    Hall could help Sam with the odd draw. Hall and Yak do not seem to need protection from anyone but Sheriff Shanahan. But we would want Hall to play more minutes than that and he is so good with Ebs and RNH.

  53. Bag of Pucks says:

    If MacT is in fact a significant upgrade at GM, I’m hopeful that his comments RE: Gagner do not indicate the decision has been made on keeping this player. I doubt that’s the case because the contract talks certainly have the potential to be difficult, but even moreso, I suspect MacT is doing something here that Tambellini was quite poor at (i.e. proactively promoting his asset across the marketplace in anticipation of a potential trade).

    Gagner’s good in the room. Awesome. Unfortunately, he sucks defensively and at faceoffs, so how can how can he possibly fit with this rebuild blueprint going forward? Cup winners don’t look for ways to hide players with obvious deficiencies in their lineup. They look for ways to move those players in return for ones with more complete skill-sets.

    Gags is THE trade chip this offseason. If MacT doesn’t leverage that chip effectively to address the clear imbalances on this roster, he fails his first big test as GM IMO.

  54. Lois Lowe says:

    It sure sounded like if Smyth is coming back it is going to be as a “good in the room” presence, 13th forward type of deal. It also sounded like MacT would be open to transitioning him into another role in the organization.

    I got the sense that RK is safe but he might get some help on the bench or some directions as to line matching from MacT. I would love to see a proper assistant coach in for Bucky.

  55. zilong says:

    TB is hard up against the cap with 6 spots to fill and only 3.4M to do so. Heck that’s not even enough to sign their 3rd overall pick. Lecavalier looks like a buyout, but he’s still has some tread on those tires. This year he was 50th overall in PPG among F, with his head above water in Rel Corsi and 54% in the dot. He wasn’t facing the soft parade either.

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67&ds=1&f3=VINCENTLECAVALIER&f1=2012_s+2011_s+2010_s+2010_p+2009_s+2008_s+2007_s

    Assuming he is bought out, he would be someone to look at to sign on the cheap, 2-3 years. At best he steals 2C from Gagner, who can be packaged for a top D. And worst he creates some internal competition for Gagner and Horcoff and jumps up the lineup when injuries strike. Could Krueger hypnotize him into signing?

  56. Rondo says:

    ashley,

    If any team was tanking it would have been Tampa Bay.

  57. HugThePost says:

    I don’t think Krueger is getting fired ……….yet.

    MacT will have a chat with him about hockey strategy/ systems for a north american sized rink.

    If we get off to a crap start this fall, Krueger will be gone and replaced by someone MacT will have in the wings (?Tippitt? ?Babcock? ?Ruff? )

    Playoffs are a MUST next year, no more dicking around evaluating shit.

  58. Wolfpack says:

    ashley: Lots of good ideas here today. I’m on board for a trade…either trade the pick away or trade down in exchange for real NHL players with proven success. I’m sick of losing, and whoever is available at number 7 is not going to do anything to improve this team in October, even if they make the roster (unlikely).

    This perfectly sums up where I am at right now.

  59. bookje says:

    Smyth will make a great 4th line player – he should be back next year for various reasons.

  60. Henry says:

    I wonder if MacT would consider bringing Raffi back for 3LW. Torres certainly fits a role he identified and with Horc and Hemsky he can score a few too. Perhaps Raffi wouldn’t fit the culture he wants in the room, but he’s older, married etc.

  61. bookje says:

    ashley:
    Lots of accusing undertones in this piece re: tanking.

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/calgary-flames/Calgary+Flames+luck+draft+lottery+will+pick/8312457/story.html

    As much as it is joked about around here, I don’t think it is possible to purposely tank.Each player has personal goals and future contracts to think about…not to mention pride.Nobody can put on the equipment and try to lose.I think Cruickshank’s accusations are unfounded and undoubtedly are pointed jealously to the North.

    What he doesn’t realize is that we were, legitimately, the shittiest or almost the shittiest team in the entire league for several years now.It’s sort of sad for us, actually.Not anything to be envious of.

    You don’t tank by making the players play poorly, you do it by having crappy players. This also de-motivates the better players. At the end of the season, you sit everybody who has a bruise and play even worse players.

  62. Rondo says:

    My guess at the top 7

    Colorado – Seth Jones

    Florida – Nathan MacKinnon/ Drouin

    TB- Nathan MacKinnon/ Drouin

    Nash – Barkov

    Carolina- ?

    Calgary- Sean Monahan

    Edmonton- ?

  63. rickithebear says:

    denny33: russ99, No kidding…does not sound like a lot of change for the vaunted top 9 forwards of our group…I can only assume other teams will have to make moves to counteract nearly 40 year old Ryan Smyth and 35 yearold Sean Horcoff coming back.

    two Quotes:
    “physical w/ Skill”
    “reduced minutes to concentrate on Pk”

    you might want to look at the WOWY site and look at smyths combined GD wowy with Brown, pettrell, eager.

    take that 202minutes from smyth’s 527 minutes of even play.
    He is a plus player!

    Those three cost us the playoffs.

    Smyth was 7th best winger in league for PKGA.

  64. ashley says:

    bookje: You don’t tank by making the players play poorly, you do it by having crappy players.This also de-motivates the better players.At the end of the season, you sit everybody who has a bruise and play even worse players.

    That implies that the coach/GM have no pride. It would also mean convincing good players to play up their injury…effectively being dishonest.

    I can’t see it. Everyone wants to win as many games as possible and that means icing the team that gives them the best chance. Winning is this business’s currency. Winning=job security for a coach/GM and profits for an owner.

  65. Ribs says:

    bookje:
    Smyth will make a great 4th line player – he should be back next year for various reasons.

    Tanking again? Hah.

    Aw, Man, I love Smyth, but he can’t have another year like this one. Just can’t. When MacT talks about role players that only showed up for a few of the games this year, Smyth was the perfect example. Maybe they could arrange to have his kids come come to every game? I don’t know.

    Don’t make him play center and give him a shorter leash next season, I’d say.

  66. VanOil says:

    rickithebear,

    That is interesting and good news, as Smyth is coming back like it or not. Even with your WOWY numbers I would still prefer him to play only 50 odd games. It is good to know he was not as ineffective as it looked by eye. Poor line mates and playing out of position matter. Hopefully if he is better rested he will stop taking so many slow footed, 90′s clutch and grad penalties.

  67. Gerta Rauss says:

    Smyth’s cap hit will be around next year unless we use a compliance buyout on him(I can’t see that happening)

    It’s in our best interest to have the player show up and play on the 4th line.

  68. russ99 says:

    denny33,

    I vastly prefer Byfuglien at wing than at defense, and Chicago played him there for years. He didn’t become a full-time defenseman until after being dealt to Winnipeg.

    Pencil him in as one of the “grit with skill” shutdown wingers and as point on one of the powerplay teams and I’d be happy.

  69. B S says:

    Concerned by the “average foot speed” of some of these players in the top 10. Usually puts them behind the curve at the pro level, especially for the NHL.

    I realize some people on here don’t like the “untouchable” or “do not trade” labels attached to some players on the team (Eberle, Nuge, Paajarvi) but I don’t think these are intended to be absolute. If LA offered Doughty for Eberle, I’d take it and wouldn’t shed a tear, but I think the point of these labels is the expectation that no-one is offering Doughty for Ebs, and his value (or potential) to the organization is greater than his perceived value outside the organization, therefore any trade that centers around Paajarvi for example, would by definition be a loss, making Paajarvi untouchable, or a keeper. For me the players I wouldn’t trade are:

    Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Shultz, Yakupov, Smid, Petry, and Paajarvi. I would also tend to hold onto Gagner as well. I know there is a lot of speculation about whether Paajarvi will stay, but I hope MacT is smart enough to recognize the value of a large, fast, skilled forward who is home grown. Grit and Determination are great and all, but Paajarvi has shown real chops as a power forward this season, and the meanness will come as (like Hall) he gets sick of people pushing him and his teammates around, and he realizes that he’s actually bigger than most of those players.

    I would also like to point out that that final game against the Canucks included Bieksa, Kesler, and Henrik Sedin, not exactly AHL players. I also think it’s worth noting that It’s pretty hard to trade a player who scores a goal, then throws himself at the glass, kissing the Oilers logo. Yak is here to stay.

    Hall RNH Eberle
    Paajarvi Gagner Yakupov
    XXX Horcoff? XXX
    Smyth XXX XXX
    Lander Brown

    XXX Schultz
    Smid Petry
    XXX XXX
    Fistric

    I think Jones (and of course Belanger, Eager, Hordichuck), Hemsky and Smithson are gone.
    Brown fills that mean fighter-who-can-skate role that the Oilers are always looking for, so I don’t see him moving. Lander is a capable center who is starting to get confident in his offense and could spot in as 4th C next season. Hemsky hasn’t played well with others this season, I despite his skill and speed I see him as the odd-man out on the right wing, I only forward I’m conflicted with is Horcoff. I guess I’m jumping on the ‘trade Horcoff’ bandwagon too this year. I’ve always been a supporter of both his and Hemsky’s roles on this team, but since he’s been captain this team has been last, last 2nd last, and 7th last in the league, for 5 mil./ season, I think you could find a skilled center to duplicate his skill set with more production. If you dump him though, then you have to make Hall captain and the responsibility of this season will ride on him.

    I thought Fistric had a good season and filled in as 6th D quite well, He did everything that was expected of him, so I’m not getting the recent hate for the guy. He’s also quite young and will get better with age. The remaining slots need to be filled in with smooth skating Defensemen with good passes, I’d even take a knock at 1LD (maybe even keep Schultz the Elder) to get serious upgrades on that 3rd pairing.

    I don’t want to see Klefbom (or this years 7th) on the team next season. No more “learning the ropes” with 2-4 rookies if this team is making the playoffs.

    Finally, regarding Krueger, He was not the problem. He clearly stated at the start of the season he would not be line-matching, he would be playing a Power v Power zone dependent style. I strongly suspect this is an organizational decision, and Tambellini didn’t provide the adequate players for this. It’s also worth pointing out that he fed the kids to the wolves and (at 22and>) they held their own. Next season the Kids should be skating around wearing wolf pelts.

  70. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Did anyone else notice CBC isn’t broadcasting the Van series, but they are the Min-Chi and La-SL:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=668207

    Not sure if this is unprecedented or not… but I wonder if Van fans will cry foul.

    at any rate, I’ve been hoping the national broadcast would get around to airing non-canadian teams for a long time. it will be interesting to see how the games are covered.

  71. Bar_Qu says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Smyth’s cap hit will be around next year unless we use a compliance buyout on him(I can’t see that happening)

    It’s in our best interest to have the player show up and play on the 4th line.

    This is correct

  72. Bar_Qu says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Did anyone else notice CBC isn’t broadcasting the Van series, but they are the Min-Chi and La-SL:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=668207

    Not sure if this is unprecedented or not… but I wonder if Van fans will cry foul.

    at any rate, I’ve been hoping the national broadcast would get around to airing non-canadian teams for a long time. it will be interesting to see how the games are covered.

    Its because CBC couldn’t buy all 3 series, and given the choice between MTL-OTT, TOR or VAN, they know which side of the bread their butter is on.

  73. B S says:

    russ99,

    Byfuglien is on D in Winnipeg, because he asked to be. It’s his preferred position and he only played Wing in Chicago due to a crippling shortage of forwards and a glut of Defensive depth during their title run. He played as a D in most of the preceding years (RW in 2008-09). I do like him as an option at either position though.

  74. Ribs says:

    ashley: That implies that the coach/GM have no pride.It would also mean convincing good players to play up their injury…effectively being dishonest.

    I can’t see it.Everyone wants to win as many games as possible and that means icing the team that gives them the best chance.Winning is this business’s currency.Winning=job security for a coach/GM and profits for an owner.

    There’s this team called the Edmonton Oilers that play in the NHL. You should check them out some time.

  75. Bruce McCurdy says:

    I’m trying to reconcile the complaints about “CBC ANNOUNCERS/PANELLISTS ARE THE WORST111″ with “WAAAHH111 CBC WON’T COVER OUR TEAM111″ and have achieved a lower-order brainlock of a logical fallacy.

    What happened to “Somebody besides CBC is covering my team? GOOD!” ?

  76. FPB94 says:

    If the Oilers trade down to draft Lazar they’ll show they learned nothing from the past (aka just take the damn BPA and stop looking at how a kid in 4 years will fit in your roster).

    Always that dreaded moment when you take a 1st round pick to draft a guy you project as a 3rd liner (instead of trading a 3rd for an actual 3rd liner and picking somebody worthwhile).

    Oil need to cash in their top 10 pick, not go out of their way to pick grinding guy when they can just straight up trade for one cheaper.

  77. MrSmitty says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Did anyone else notice CBC isn’t broadcasting the Van series, but they are the Min-Chi and La-SL:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=668207

    Not sure if this is unprecedented or not… but I wonder if Van fans will cry foul.

    at any rate, I’ve been hoping the national broadcast would get around to airing non-canadian teams for a long time. it will be interesting to see how the games are covered.

    Tsn is better at showing a game nowdays anyways.

  78. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    I’m trying to reconcile the complaints about “CBC ANNOUNCERS/PANELLISTS ARE THE WORST111″ with “WAAAHH111 CBC WON’T COVER OUR TEAM111″ and have achieved a lower-order brainlock of a logical fallacy.

    What happened to“Somebody besides CBC is covering my team? GOOD!” ?

    I sincerely hope this isn’t a caricature of my post. If it is, you may wish to re-read my comment.

    MrSmitty: Tsn is better at showing a game nowdays anyways.

    I couldn’t agree more.

    however, for the foreseeable future CBC is in the Hockey broadcast game. As long as that is the case, improvement in all areas is to be hoped for.

    To expand on what I said above, I’d love to see them broadcast more hockey and park the pro-canadian identity politics.

    It shocks me that they don’t offer mid-week games from parts other than Canada on their flagship channel instead of whatever crappy tv they are producing or re-running.

    As far as TSN goes, you have to remember TSN isn’t a national broadcast in the same way CBC and CTV are. For example, those of us using “over the air” antennas and those with pared down cable packages don’t get TSN.

    I realize this doesn’t affect a lot of people, but it does have an impact.

  79. gcw_rocks says:

    The thing I find interesting about the Oilers drafting 7th is that odds are if Monahan is off the board at 7, then odds are Nichushkin will be on the board. How, if you are the Oilers looking for size in your top 6, and perhaps a Russian buddy for Nail, pass up drafting this kid? I don’t think you can unless you have an anti-Russian bias.

    Sure, you aren’t going to see him for a year, and maybe two years, but this kid seems like the real deal and he is big.

  80. Jordan says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I’m still shocked that there hasn’t been more of a push on the part of broadcasters to stream their boradcasts live on the interwebs – including all the advertising.

    You’d have to think that a reasonable contingent of the Canadian pop that doesn’t live in one of the major cities would appreciate and take advantage of it.

    After all, once they process is established, all you have to do is ensure the cost of streaming is less than that of the increased revenue from the advertisments by reaching the larger audience pool, no?

  81. Its a Trap says:

    Anyone else see the opportunity for Edmonton to swap picks with Carolina? They don’t need a center, they are picking the best defenseman on the board I’m guessing. He’ll still be there at 7. If we made a deal to swap positions and got in front of Calgary, I wonder what it would cost.

  82. Bar_Qu says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Again, the fact CBC is not covering all the games is not their choice. Every year CBC and TSN divvy up the games. CBC gets first dibs, but can’t hog all the Can-con to themselves. So they chose the two teams their ratings are historically best for. Then TSN took the Vancouver game and the two broadcasters split the American games (I think TSN gets first choice from those).

    Not a snub of anyone. Just a broadcasting rights thing.

  83. gcw_rocks says:

    Jordan,

    The problem in media used to be convincing advertisers to pay a premium when their ads are included in the streaming media. Things may have changed since I was involved in media but it wouldn’t surprise me if its still an issue.

  84. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bar_Qu,

    Yeah. that makes a lot of sense. Still for a guy — with an admittedly hazy memory — I can’t recall a Canadian team in the playoffs not covered by CBC.

    at first blush it was an interesting discovery.

    I have no idea how broadcast rights are distributed, but it makes sense that they are in competition with tsn.

    Jordan:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I’m still shocked that there hasn’t been more of a push on the part of broadcasters to stream their boradcasts live on the interwebs – including all the advertising.

    You’d have to think that a reasonable contingent of the Canadian pop that doesn’t live in one of the major cities would appreciateand take advantage of it.

    After all, once they process is established, all you have to do is ensure the cost ofstreaming is less than that of the increased revenue from the advertisments by reaching the larger audience pool, no?

    I’m not expert on these matters, but my instincts say the cable companies are as late to the game as the music industry was (see the lawsuits against napster, individual users and in cable Viacom against youtube)…

    to an outsider the cable companies look like a dinosaur trying to police a dying mode of delivery instead of finding an innovative way to use the new technology to make money and keep customers (like iTunes did).

    as far as streaming goes… CBC is actually very good. they live stream all their HNIC games. last year TSN did about 15% (a guess) of their broadcasts free.. this year they stopped for some reason.

    but I think it would make a lot of sense to offer more. there is clearly a market for it.

  85. DBO says:

    nashville signs Hornqvist to a 5 year, $21.25 mill deal. Gagner is a better scorer and younger, so I expect that means no way Gagner gets less and more likely means he wants $5 per

  86. B S says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I would assume that TSN has a deal with cable providers that still makes it worthwhile (or what they think is worthwhile) to retain exclusive content on cable. CBC is, by mandate, a public broadcast so it makes nothing but sense to provide as many kinds of access to content as you can sell advertisements for.

    Also not getting the whole TSN>>CBC broadcast thing. Both are terrible, like arguing whether vomit or feces are more disgusting, and at least CBC has Ron (though the CBC’s Western/B team is quite possibly the worst I’ve heard in recent memory, even over NBC). I usually just watch it with the sound turned real low anyways.

  87. B S says:

    DBO,

    God I hope not. I’ve been tooting Gags’ horn as a 2nd line center, but only if he’s signed for 4.5X4 or less. Anything more per year will be regrettable. Stupid Nashville overpaying players. Next they’re going to change their colours to orange and blue, copycats.

  88. Its a Trap says:

    DBO:
    nashville signs Hornqvist to a 5 year, $21.25 mill deal. Gagner is a better scorer and younger, so I expect that means no way Gagner gets less and more likely means he wants $5 per

    I’d trade Gagner straight up for him I think.

  89. godot10 says:

    Its a Trap:
    Anyone else see the opportunity for Edmonton to swap picks with Carolina? They don’t need a center, they are picking the best defenseman on the board I’m guessing. He’ll still be there at 7.If we made a deal to swap positions and got in front of Calgary, I wonderwhat it would cost.

    Carolina also might trade that pick in a package to the Rangers for Marc Staal, but then the Rangers would be interested in picking a D or the Russian.

  90. Wink says:

    Is Taylor Hall the best LW in the league? NHL First Team All Star?

    If we accept that Ovechkin is now a RW (split the season on both sides. Went on his tear while a RW), then there is not much more competition. Rick Nash, Kunitz, or Zetterburg. I think Taylor Hall had a superior season to all three. Underappreciated much?

  91. bookje says:

    Taylor Hall with a fixed shoulder is awesome. I can’t wait for RNH to catch up!

  92. Captain Obvious says:

    Byfuglien is a dominant force on D. He’s a third or fourth line player on the wing. The suggestion he should play forward is born out of an imaginary idea of what hockey teams need and selective memory.

  93. godot10 says:

    One can buy a mobile TV plan with your smartphone or tablet, and I suppose one can get a dongle for a computer. So that is why they don’t stream it for free.

    With Bell, I’m paying $10/month for 10 hours plus overflow into my data plan, and with that I get TSN, TSN2, NHLN, NFLN, BNN, Newsworld, and Newsnet and other stuff.

    Since I am in Toronto, and Oiler games are blacked out on Sportsnet West, paying the money for TV on my phone is better than paying the extra for NHLN on Fibe or cable.

    I would probably go to sports bars more often and eat and drink beer…so the $10 a month for me is worth it for the months the hockey season is on.

  94. Its a Trap says:

    godot10: Carolina also might trade that pick in a package to the Rangers for Marc Staal, but then the Rangers would be interested in picking a D or the Russian.

    To be honest I’m hoping we trade the pick outright for a roster player ourselves.

  95. B S says:

    Its a Trap,

    I wouldn’t mind that except MacT’s introductory press conference already sounded too much like Brian Burke.

  96. RMGS says:

    MacT made some comments about the amateur scouting that haven’t been discussed much. He suggested that the scouts need to focus on finding “better, impact” players in the later rounds (at about the 24 min. mark). If I haven’t misinterpreted, that’s an interesting comment in reference to what’s arguably a pretty good record for MBS in the later rounds. It’s the Coke Machines in the middle rounds that are of greater concern. Caveat: MacT does suggest that he’s comfortable and happy with the amateur scouts.

  97. godot10 says:

    Its a Trap: To be honest I’m hoping we trade the pick outright for a roster player ourselves.

    The 2nd centre is the missing part of the rebuild. I hope the centre (Monahan or Lindholm) is there and the Oilers pick him. These are pretty good centres. They would be top five types in more normal draft year.

    One doesn’t have to trade 1st round draft picks to obtain NHL hockey players. This year more than ever since the cap is coming down.

    An offer sheet is a useful tool.

  98. B S says:

    godot10,

    But those guys shouldn’t be playing on this team in the next two years if the Oilers really are going to be a playoff team, and, as I’ve argued before, neither is going to be a valid replacement for Gagner for the next several years (offensively or defensively). Not saying we should trade the 1st round pick (I don’t think the Oilers should consider it outside of a serious improvement to the team), but anyone drafted here on out should be organizational depth, not a part of the rebuild. This team needs to start to winning last season.

  99. zilong says:

    godot10: The 2nd centre is the missing part of the rebuild.I hope the centre (Monahan or Lindholm) is there and the Oilers pick him.These are pretty good centres.They would be top five types in more normal draft year.

    One doesn’t have to trade 1st round draft picks to obtain NHL hockey players.This year more than ever since the cap is coming down.

    Agree completely. See my post above re: Lecavalier. He’d be a great fit for 2-3 years, at which point Monahan/Lindholm could hopefully fill the role. A useful big body with experience and a ring.

    Good GMs can add without subtraction. Just because we have some pieces doesn’t mean we have to / should use them, at least not as the first option.

  100. cabbiesmacker says:

    B S:
    russ99,

    Byfuglien is on D in Winnipeg, because he asked to be. It’s his preferred position and he only played Wing in Chicago due to a crippling shortage of forwards and a glut of Defensive depth during their title run. He played as a D in most of the preceding years (RW in 2008-09). I do like him as an option at either position though.

    This not not true at all. The last thing the Hawks had a shortage of was forwards. The blue was hardly stellar after Keith and Seabrook but Campbell and Hjallmarsson got the job done. Greaseball Sopel was part of the 5 – 6 unfortunately. DB was quite simply put in the spot where he’d have the most impact.

    Byfuglien totally neutralized Pronger in the final which was his only job. When you can helicopter Chris Pronger in a corner you’re doing your job and Buff was damn good at his.

    Oilers could use a player of his ilk but he’s too expensive.

  101. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10,

    you watch games on your phone? that sounds difficult.

    I gather your $10 package is supplemental to a standard cable package?

    one of the weird things about sports broadcasting — and again I’m speaking from a position of ignorance — is that on the one hand it seems like a flush market driving ratings, ad $ etc., but on the other it doesn’t seem like all the $$ is well translated into a competition for my eyes.

    It baffles me to think — when I had cable — that numerous hockey games would be on somewhere and tsn, sportsnet, etc would be playing poker, or something else mind-bogglingly trivial.

    I don’t know what the solution is… but I don’t get why CBC, TSN, Sportsnet, etc. don’t broadcast more live events. if talent is the problem, why not simply piggyback on the local coverage?

  102. cabbiesmacker says:

    So MacT mentions toughness needs to be addressed and nobody says a word?

    I thought grit and toughness were sacrilege and punishable by public flogging around here.

    And man do I ever hope he was playing the Gagner card like his teams owner played his a couple of years back.

    “Sam’s not going anywhere”……POOF

  103. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I sincerely hope this isn’t a caricature of my post. If it is, you may wish to re-read my comment.

    Not at all, was meant in a very general way at some of the crap I’ve been hearing.

  104. denny33 says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Bob M. said it last night on the lottery show – top 5 players this year are special.

    That 5 list includes the big Russian. Not saying I necessarily agree with that but someone in the top 5 might take the big russian. -although his contract status may have diminished that…

    5th might have given us Barkov..

  105. B S says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Ladd, and Big Buff Slotted in behind Ladd depthwise, bearing in mind that the ‘hawks overall depth was absurd that playoff run and Byfuglien was both huge and a huge part of their success. Agree that he was put where he was most effective on that team, just saying he’s typically a D-man and the switch to forward was the coaches’ decision, not his. I can also point out that he is a defensive liability (sort of like if Sam Gagner was a D-man, and 6-5 265 lbs…nevermind) which might have been considered too risky in the playoffs.

  106. murphy says:

    Mact went about this the right way, there are several levels to bargaining. He will start his trade chatter with hemsky who he didn’t actually sound high on. Depending on player returning to edmonton teams will ask for gagner instead since the oil have him rated so highly and hes a scoring C not easy to find, mact will go on about how they can’t let him go, “think it over”, then complete the trade. He also generally said the same thing about all the kids when we all know we can only afford to trade eberle out of the group. Yak showed how good he will be, hall is a bonafide superstar, rnh is the #1 c, and our d can’t lose schultz. Eberle represents the only “kid” we can lose for a stud d man.

  107. Mr DeBakey says:

    So MacT mentions toughness needs to be addressed and nobody says a word?

    But, before that, he said grit wihout skill doesn’t move the dial forward.
    So, everyone is content knowing Facepuncher o’ Da Month should be a thing of the past.

  108. denny33 says:

    rickithebear,

    People in Edmonton were saying Ryan Smyth lost a step this year…

    People outside of Edmonton are saying he lost 3 steps.

  109. denny33 says:

    russ99,

    Winnipeg tried that….asked him last year as well.

    Wants to play defence…

    I hear you…

  110. Showerhead says:

    I couldn’t agree more. Manage the assets you have with a realistic sense of what they’re worth. Well said, FPB.

    FPB94:
    If the Oilers trade down to draft Lazar they’ll show they learned nothing from the past (aka just take the damn BPA and stop looking at how a kid in 4 years will fit in your roster).

    Always that dreaded moment when you take a 1st round pick to draft a guy you project as a 3rd liner (instead of trading a 3rd for an actual 3rd liner and picking somebody worthwhile).

    Oil need to cash in their top 10 pick, not go out of their way to pick grinding guy when they can just straight up trade for one cheaper.

  111. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Not at all, was meant in a very general way at some of the crap I’ve been hearing.

    that was my assumption. I was simply pearl-clutching at the thought of being represented as a mindless pearl-clutcher.

    Self-fulfilling Prophesy!

    cabbiesmacker: So MacT mentions toughness needs to be addressed and nobody says a word?

    I think it’s simply become part of the narrative with the Oilers that when we hear it now we don’t bat an eye.

    but… I don’t think it is true that it has gone unmentioned.

    there was a lot of commentary on his “Lucic type” player remarks; his speculations about Hemsky and the top 6 etc.

    Also, As

    Mr DeBakey,

    notes… his comments about “grit without skill” and needing to get scoring from his bottom 6 basically send the right message.

    I think the complaint all along has been with people seemingly interested in trading skill for size, see Gregor’s two trade ideas: Yak for Clarkson or Lucic.

    that scares a lot people

    adding size that can score without losing skill… who’s complaining about that plan?

  112. B S says:

    denny33,

    People outside of Edmonton also think Conacher is a more impressive rookie than Yakupov.

  113. Showerhead says:

    **This may be seen as blatant promotion – Remove at will**

    I’m a recent grad, working a few jobs, one of which is at Shaw (IE the cable provider). This means if you don’t have cable, want it for the duration of the playoffs, and want it at a promotional price, I can connect that for you and give you the maximum amount of free bells/whistles. Will absolutely not take it personally if you only use it for the playoffs.

    If you like, please e-mail atesm@hotmail.com and I can contact you from Shaw.

    **As I say, this is blatant promotion! I just thought that a) it could help a lot of people and b) my posting history is very clean. If you’ve read what I’ve written over the past few years, you know I’m a straight up guy.**

  114. Bag of Pucks says:

    I wonder how MacT feels about the Eberle contract in terms of its tradeability?

    If I had to pick one of the core most likely to bust, it would be RNH, but given the lack of center depth on this squad, I agree with those suggesting Eberle is the most tradeable of the core currently.

    That said, can you trade him at the draft with that contract coming off a subpar year by his standards? I suspect not which is fine with me as I don’t think they should trade him. One shot snipers are rare in this league. Having one on each line (Yakupov, Eberle) is optimal. I think the key, as MacT seems to suggest in his presser, is surrounding them with complimentary skillsets (i.e. possession and size) to give each line the full meal deal.

    Hard not to visualize RNH to Yakupov being an extremely effective scoring tandem in a couple years. Saucer pass to laser guided missile. That works!

  115. Derek says:

    I just renewed my Hockeystreams sub for the duration of the playoffs, it cost me 29.99 and with my laptop I can stream three different games simultaneously and make (bad) posts at the same time.

    Technology is grand.

  116. Derek says:

    I propose a Sam Gagner for Martin Hanzal swap.

    Edmonton gives a young center with offensive potential and defensive warts.
    Pheonix gives a 26 year old center with a solid two way game signed to a reasonabler contract through 2017.

    Pheonix gives Hanzal the bulk of their offensive zone starts with Vermette and Gordon doing the heavy lifting already, Gagner would be better suited to the role. Hanzal has always been a strong possession player and would likely put up greater numbers with the offensive talent on his wings Edmonton has waiting.

    I think in a vacuum (ie disregarding the Yotes’ budget/ownership issues) the framework for a workable deal can beimagined here, with Phx perhaps adding a bit.

    You draft Nicushkin at 7th, dual offer sheet Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk, then boom. Stanley Cup.

  117. godot10 says:

    B S:
    godot10,

    But those guys shouldn’t be playing on this team in the next two years if the Oilers really are going to be a playoff team, and, as I’ve argued before, neither is going to be a valid replacement for Gagner for the next several years (offensively or defensively). Not saying we should trade the 1st round pick (I don’t think the Oilers should consider it outside of a serious improvement to the team), but anyone drafted here on out should be organizational depth, not a part of the rebuild. This team needs to start to winning last season.

    You don’t rebuild to make the playoffs once. You rebuild to make the playoffs 20 years in a row.

  118. godot10 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    godot10,

    you watch games on your phone? that sounds difficult.

    I gather your $10 package is supplemental to a standard cable package?

    Nope. You can buy mobile TV from Bell for your phone or tablet without a Fibe TV package.

  119. Marc says:

    DBO:
    nashville signs Hornqvist to a 5 year, $21.25 mill deal. Gagner is a better scorer and younger, so I expect that means no way Gagner gets less and more likely means he wants $5 per

    I don’t know how analogous their situations are. Hornqvist had a lot more leverage because he’s one of Nashville’s 3 best forwards, especially with Erat gone. They just missed the playoffs scoring the fewest goals of any team and have no easy way of replacing his scoring.

    Gagner on the other hand has four other forwards on his team that are, or soon will be, substantially better than he is. He also knows his new GM is looking to deal. He wants to stay, but he probably knows that he’ll have to give a hometown discount to avoid ending up in Phoenix or Nashville.

    If he pushes hard for his full market value then he has to know that there’s a good chance he’s gone.

  120. Captain Happy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Bar_Qu,

    Yeah. that makes a lot of sense. Still for a guy — with an admittedly hazy memory — I can’t recall a Canadian team in the playoffs not covered by CBC.

    at first blush it was an interesting discovery.

    I have no idea how broadcast rights are distributed, but it makes sense that they are in competition with tsn.

    I’m not expert on these matters, but my instincts say the cable companies are as late to the game as the music industry was (see the lawsuits against napster, individual users and in cable Viacom against youtube)…

    to an outsider the cable companies look like a dinosaur trying to police a dying mode of delivery instead of finding an innovative way to use the new technology to make money and keep customers (like iTunes did).

    as far as streaming goes… CBC is actually very good. they live stream all their HNIC games. last year TSN did about 15% (a guess) of their broadcasts free.. this year they stopped for some reason.

    but I think it would make a lot of sense to offer more. there is clearly a market for it.

    TSN (and TSN2) is owned by Bell which does stream all of their programming IF you are a Bell wireless customer.

    Bell also owns CTV and TSN and CTV will soon launch a bid to get all NHL programming on their networks once CBC’s rights agreement expires.

  121. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10: Nope. You can buy mobile TV from Bell for your phone or tablet without a Fibe TV package.

    cool. I haven’t had cable in years and have neither a cell phone nor a tablet, so these options are very new to me.

    good to know solutions are coming along though.

  122. zilong says:

    Derek,

    Derek:
    Pheonix gives Hanzal the bulk of their offensive zone starts with Vermette and Gordon doing the heavy lifting already,

    I’d rather just sign Gordon. He’s a UFA who made 1.3M last year. Would be a great place to start for the bottom 6 rebuild.

  123. Truth says:

    Derek:

    You draft Nicushkin at 7th, dual offer sheet Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk, then boom.Stanley Cup.

    I’m fine with drafting Nicushkin at 7, even if he takes 2 years to get to the NHL. He would then directly replace one of the young guns being shipped out due to contract issues and would be on an entry level deal. Imagine he was Canadian. Poor man’s Eric Lindros.

    I’m not sure how the offer sheet rules are with the new CBA, but in the old one signing Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk to a deal St. Louis couldn’t match would take 2 of the Oilers OWN 1st round draft picks for the next 4 years each year. Impossible even before any mention of the cap situation that would bring.

  124. Maestro Fresh Mess says:

    Planes Trains and Automobiles is my all time favourite comedy. Nice one LT.

  125. BlacqueJacque says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    So MacT mentions toughness needs to be addressed and nobody says a word?

    I thoughtgrit and toughness were sacrilege and punishable by public flogging around

    Heh, I made a coke machines comment in the previous thread.

    If you’re expecting LT to open up on Mac for anything, you’re on the wrong blog :)

  126. FastOil says:

    Marc: I don’t know how analogous their situations are.Hornqvist had a lot more leverage because he’s one of Nashville’s 3 best forwards, especially with Erat gone. They just missed the playoffs scoring the fewest goals of any team and have no easy way of replacing his scoring.

    Gagner on the other hand has four other forwards on his team that are, or soon will be, substantially better than he is.He also knows his new GM is looking to deal.He wants to stay, but he probably knows that he’ll have to give a hometown discount to avoid ending up in Phoenix or Nashville.

    If he pushes hard for his full market value then he has to know that there’s a good chance he’s gone.

    Good points

  127. B S says:

    godot10: You don’t rebuild to make the playoffs once.You rebuild to make the playoffs 20 years in a row.

    That’s organizational vs team rebuild. Organizationally they need to continue acquiring assets (picks, prospects, players), then improving them (i.e. strong development) while avoiding considerable losses on outgoing assets. Basically as Detroit does it. The team on the other hand has been rebuilding for 3 seasons now and are supposed to be a playoff team. Adding rookies (especially those who have never played pro before) represents considerable dedication of resources (including coaches and soft ice time) to develop and generally hinders the teams overall performance. This was fine during the first few “rebuild” years for the team, now, with the expectation of playoffs, it’s a hinderance.

    I’m not saying don’t draft a 7th overall, I’m just saying that you should draft the BPA with the expectation that he won’t see the NHL for 2 seasons, or until there is sufficient injuries to warrant a call-up, such as he is the best center available with Horc, Gagner, and your 4th down and two AHLers already called up. The players you draft now should be developed into high level players for the future, but you should have sufficient depth to keep them off the roster under normal circumstances, essentially making them depth players.

  128. Derek says:

    Truth: I’m fine with drafting Nicushkin at 7, even if he takes 2 years to get to the NHL.He would then directly replace one of the young guns being shipped out due to contract issues and would be on an entry level deal. Imagine he was Canadian.Poor man’s Eric Lindros.

    I’m not sure how the offer sheet rules are with the new CBA, but in the old one signing Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk to a deal St. Louis couldn’t match would take 2 of the Oilers OWN 1st round draft picks for the next 4 years each year.Impossible even before any mention of the cap situation that would bring.

    Derek Zona has been talking about dual offer sheets for a couple years now, this is where I originally read about it with regards to the STL:

    (http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/4/16/4157064/dual-offer-sheets-restricted-free-agency-rfa)

    Upon revisiting the article, its obvious it wouldn’t work with Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo because in order to be successful both would have to be signed in the 1st+3rd salary range or higher in order to get the player to sign.

  129. maudite says:

    bookje:
    Smyth will make a great 4th line player – he should be back next year for various reasons.

    This.

    Very rare, but I am 100% with bookie on this one.

    Is it regrettable that they gave him a 2 year deal at that money, I still think so. Can’t argue though. People seem to forget that a lot of the bad on smyth this year is playing out of position with terrible wingers. We can afford the Horc and Smyth shows this year (cheap nuge, yak, shultz, petry still in effect).

    I know I beat this drum but I still think Eberle is your most tradeable asset for return on a C or D.

    Hall – Nuge – Yak
    Jussi – xxx – Gagner
    PVR – Horc – xxx
    Smyth – Lander – xxx
    PB brown, (C that will knock Lander out if he isn’t ready Halpern on a cheap 1 year type deal…he can also play RW if needed…aka cheap vet utility type player)

    Or play Jussi as your center (pretty sure he’s a rental with a year left that pens can’t manage to keep and might give away easy). Improve 2 LW. And get a bit tougher 3 RW in the mix.

    Hopefully not a Dman we have a pile coming and should be getting some longer term candidates in later rounds not using another 1st there (1st rnd forward will be ready to impact sooner and D has a line up of guys nearing the learn on the job type phase Marincin, Klef….followed next year by Gernat, Musil…hon mention simpson)

    Eberle
    Hemsky
    2014 picks
    prospects
    cap space
    1 buyout with moneyed owner and profitable franchise (need to keep 2nd one for Horc likely next summer)

    If you could get a deal Wayne Simmonds + for Eberle would you do it?

  130. maudite says:

    Couturier Simmonds

    for

    Eberle Hemsky

    Balance as needed.

  131. 719 says:

    Colorado – Seth Jones

    Florida – Nathan MacKinnon/ Drouin

    TB- Nathan MacKinnon/ Drouin

    Nash – Barkov

    I think Carolina takes Lindholm, and the Flames take Monahan. Meaning Oilers have a choice, trade down or take Nichushkin. I would take Nuchushkin, knowing he will not be available for at least two years. Look at St. Louis, Tarasenko has been a good addition to that team after all the guys graduated off their Entry Level deals.

    I think a trade with Philadephia makes sense. I think it goes more like this though:

    Simmonds and the 11th overall for Eberle.

    Oilers then take Lazar with the 11th overall.

  132. Its a Trap says:

    I don’t want this team to get any younger. I see Nashville as the perfect trading partner and not for Weber. They would probably value picking 4th and 7th as they have an inevitable rebuild-retool coming soon. Plenty of guys on that team that I’d like. Klein,Legwand, Wilson, Gaustad, there’s a deal to be made there somewhere that would fill a few holes.

  133. Rondo says:

    Edm has been looking for the next Lucic for ever and you don’t put Valeri Nichushkin on your list.

    If I were guessing Oilers list

    1. Jones
    2. MacKinnon
    3. Barkov
    4. Nichushkin
    5. Monahan
    6. Drouin and only if they are trading Eberle

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