TRACERS: 1963, EDMONTON

50 years ago, the Edmonton Oil Kings (62-63) climbed the mountain and won the day. The 1963 Memorial Cup remains one of the most famous championships in city history.

 

When most of the men who played on the 1963 Oil Kings were growing up, it was a very different city than the one we live in today. “Your friendly city” included a rabid hockey crowd, fans who were able to enjoy outstanding talent (Norm Ullman and Johnny Bucyk among them) before they moved on to NHL stardom in the original six. The Edmonton Oil Kings of 1963 were a talented, battle hardened group (the Oil Kings played in a “senior league” despite their young age) who won it all for the city of Edmonton in May of ’63.

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Click on the article to get full size and read about the first Memorial Cup championship for Edmonton in 1963. The Oil Kings from 50 years ago are appearing this weekend (along with Paul Henderson and others) at the Summit IV memorabilia and collectibles show at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park today (1:30 to 2:30 p.m.) and tomorrow (11:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m).

 

We’ll be broadcasting the show live today noon to 2pm, and interviewing many of the Oil Kings players at the event. The day is “fluid”, but scheduled to appear:

  • Members of the 1963 Oil Kings: Gregg Pilling, Bert Marshall, Bob Falkenberg, Dave Rochefort, Tom Bend, Russ Kirk, Vince Downey, Harold Fleming and Jim Brown.
  • Scott Francis Winder will preview the FC’s home game this week
  • Evan Daum will discuss the FC’s season, the Oil Kings and more.
  • Kent Simpson (Oil Kings color commentator) gives us an update on what is turning into a very good series.
  • Dennis King, to talk Oilers, Craig MacTavish, Kevin Lowe and more.

 Martin Gernat had two goals and three assists for the Oil Kings last night, helping the town team even their WHL playoff series with the Calgary Hitmen. It was a much closer game before Calgary lost their (insert word here) and drowned in a sea of dumb penalties. Gernat is 11, 4-8-12 and ranks 2nd in WHL playoff scoring among defensemen. His 3 PP goals rank him in a tie for 3rd in that category among all WHL players.

Gernat isn’t going to bring all of that offense with him to the NHL (should he make it) but he certainly does have a “quality” about him offensively. His size/speed combination make him an attractive defender even though (like Martin Marincin) the Oilers will need to be patient and watch him develop in the minors.

The question becomes: how many defensemen can you sign and develop at one time? The following prospecrts are under contract and likely to play in the NHL/AHL next season:

  1. Ladislav Smid
  2. Jeff Petry
  3. Justin Schultz
  4. Nick Schultz
  5. Corey Potter
  6. Theo Peckham (rfa)
  7. Oscar Klefbom
  8. Martin Marincin
  9. Taylor Fedun (rfa)
  10. Colten Teubert (rfa)
  11. Brandon Davidson
  12. Alex Plante (rfa)
  13. David Musil

Plus they have Gernat and Kyle Bigos to sign and one imagines they’ll be adding a big name for the NHL team and one or two AHL veterans for OKC (one of which will probably be on the 50 man list). Who is in danger? I’d suggest Peckham, Teubert and Plante (all rfa) are in danger and they might risk waivers on Potter if required to improve the NHL depth chart.

The blue depth chart is crowded, but not that crowded with prospects as good as Martin Gernat’s potential.

This was one of the top hits of 1963.

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  1. mumbai max says:

    The problem with cutting loose guys like Tuebert and Peckham is that these are precisely the guys who take forever to mature.. We are going to need a couple of tough as nails types to be succesful. I think Peckham is destined to have continueing maturity issues. I say we let Peckham and Plante walk. Maybe they can be throw ins on some of our bold moves.

  2. BlacqueJacque says:

    Copper n Blue has been ragging on Krueger and his system for a while now.

    I’d really love to see some sort of detailed hockey tactics analysis on that. As inspiring and good at motivation as Krueger is, does he, in fact, expect too much from our centres?

  3. gcw_rocks says:

    Why haven’t the Oilers signed Gernat? You would think this would be a top priority for Mactavish. Signing entry level deals not overly complicated and the longer you wait, the more negotiating power the kid has. Nice to see things have changed under the new regime. Simple but important tasks not getting done, Howson blathering on about compete levels on Gregor’s show, echoing Tambo’s drivel.

    Yep, its a brand new day in Oil Country. Sigh…

  4. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Copper n Blue has been ragging on Krueger and his system for a while now.

    I’d really love to see some sort of detailed hockey tactics analysis on that.As inspiring and good at motivation as Krueger is, does he, in fact, expect too much from our centres?

    WG mentioned that the key is that outlet pass. D can get the puck to C but the wingers have already hit the flyaway and that’s going to result in a low percentage pass. I think MacT will have some ideas, but we should also allow time for Krueger to adjust.

    There are several things about his coaching this year that have driven me nuts:

    1. 4th line usage, especially in defensive zone
    2. Dressing D who have major holes
    3. Hartikainen in the minors
    4. Khabibulin’s start total
    5. Yakupov’s minutes
    6. Petrell

    The breakout is an issue, but I would think Ralph is well suited to adjust for next year.

  5. gcw_rocks says:

    Oilers drop to 8th in the underall standings. Can’t even tank right. Lol

  6. speeds says:

    mumbai max:
    The problem with cutting loose guys like Tuebert and Peckham is that these are precisely the guys who take forever to mature.. We are going to need a couple of tough as nails types to be succesful.I think Peckham is destined to have continuing maturity issues. I say we let Peckham and Plante walk.Maybe they can be throw ins on some of our bold moves.

    There’s a difference between takes a while to mature, and being healthy scratched near the end of a 3 year ELC.

    I don’t think it would be unreasonable to decline to qualify all 3 of Plante/Peckham/Teubert – I don’t think there would a huge rush to sign any of those guys right away, so you could always decline to sign them, check out the market to see if you can get an upgrade, and if not, perhaps look to sign one of the AHL guys to an AHL only deal if you want them back. If not, I’m not sure the available UFA’s would be markedly worse.

    One thing with Peckham is that EDM may be able to give him a 2 way QO, it doesn’t look like he’s played enough games to have to receive a one way offer. If that is the case, EDM may look to sign him to a two way deal, with the idea that he’d be a good AHL vet D, good 8th/9th D depth if no one claims him on waivers next fall. And if they do, well, that’s how it goes. If EDM decides they don’t want him to start the year as one of their top 7 D, they may prefer to trade him if they can get something for him, but if not, that might be an option.

  7. spoiler says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Why haven’t the Oilers signed Gernat?You would think this would be a top priority for Mactavish.Signing entry level deals not overly complicated and the longer you wait, the more negotiating power the kid has.Nice to see things have changed under the new regime.Simple but important tasks not getting done, Howson blathering on about compete levels on Gregor’s show, echoing Tambo’s drivel.

    Yep, its a brand new day in Oil Country.Sigh…

    Gernat’s agent is aware of the same things.

    Or it could that the Oil were unhappy about the Euro rehab and accordingly Gernat got sensitive and wants out. Or something similar. These things happen.

  8. Hammers says:

    N.Schultz could be traded as well as,Peckham & Tuebert in package deals if McT makes some moves . Either way you sign Gernat & Bigos .Crazy if they don’t . Face facts we don’t have a 1=2 “D” up there . Smid Petry J Schultz & Klefbom are still a couple of years away from a top ranking but will all play next year . Still need 2 NHL “D” .

  9. spoiler says:

    I would like to know the story on Eric Belanger and how became persona non grata with the org mid-season while short on centres, but I don’t see anyone in your line up LT that can answer that… Unless the Big Uke has got an in!

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Looking at the sched. there was a very slim chance we would lose them all down the final 6 and if we were going to win 1, last night was the one.

    Let’s just hope they got it out of their system.

    Nash got a point last night and CAL got two so we are still keeping pace.

    I want that Fin!

    I’m guessing they’ve decided Harski is the beans and we’re giving Jones one last look last night and maybe again in the next couple. I think they haven’t committed to letting him go yet.

    Didn’t RK, or MacT or someone say they were going to be looking hard at Smithson, Jones etc. in the final push.

    As much as I’d like to see Harski play, I think they need to get these hangers-on out of their system. If that is the case, though, I’d think Peckham would at least get a final taste of the show. Seems he really pissed them off showing up unconditioned two years in a row.

    On Gernat… I’ve been a bit more relaxed since this Howson interview with Gregor:

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/4/17/what-has-scott-howson-learned

    relevant text:

    Howson: Ya, I think you’re right. No team is going to win in this league without a strong defence. I think that’s an area where we have to improve and I think we’re going to improve. If you look at the players, I can tell you as an outsider, if you look at the players coming up the pipeline in the Oilers’ system, they are coming.

    It’s such a hard position to play; you can’t expect it to be much immediate help. But when you’re talking Oscar Klefbom, he’s a world class player for his age level. Martin Gernat, David Musil, there’s a lot of good, young defencemen that are coming. We’ve just got to make sure that we’re patient with them, we put them in places where they succeed, we don’t rush them, and when they’re ready they’ll be part of a very good Oilers’ defence.

    two positives here: he stresses patience and clearly lists Gernat and right after Klefbom… that’s a kind of pride of place and it certainly signals the mgt. haven’t forgotten about him. Maybe they are just leaving it until the season ends for whatever reason?

  11. spoiler says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Looking at the sched. there was a very slim chance we would lose them all down the final 6 and if we were going to win 1, last night was the one.

    Let’s just hope they got it out of their system.

    Nash got a point last night and CAL got two so we are still keeping pace.

    I want that Fin!

    I’m guessing they’ve decided Harski is the beans and we’re giving Jones one last look last night and maybe again in the next couple. I think they haven’t committed to letting him go yet.

    Didn’t RK, or MacT or someone say they were going to be looking hard at Smithson, Jones etc. in the final push.

    As much as I’d like to see Harski play, I think they need to get these hangers-on out of their system. If that is the case, though, I’d think Peckham would at least get a final taste of the show. Seems he really pissed them off showing up unconditioned two years in a row.

    On Gernat… I’ve been a bit more relaxed since this Howson interview with Gregor:

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/4/17/what-has-scott-howson-learned

    relevant text:

    two positives here: he stresses patience and clearly lists Gernat and right after Klefbom… that’s a kind of pride of place and it certainly signals the mgt. haven’t forgotten about him. Maybe they are just leaving it until the season ends for whatever reason?

    I’m not Freud. I can’t place a lot of emphasis on the ordering of extemporaneous lists.

  12. Lowetide says:

    The reason to sign Gernat is the lesson of the Petry-Chorney-Wild development. We agreed early on one of them turning out was a reasonable bet and one of them did, but it wasn’t the highest pick.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2008/08/wild-card-4.html

  13. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide,

    I’m unclear about the waiver rules. Is it 50 or 60 games played when Hartikainen will have to clear waivers? Would the Oilers want to send him to OKC for the playoffs? Does a player no longer have to clear waivers once his team’s season is over?

  14. jonrmcleod says:

    gcw_rocks,

    Hey, the one thing the Oilers do know how to do is tank. Back-to-back-to-back draft lottery winners.

  15. Lowetide says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Lowetide,

    I’m unclear about the waiver rules. Is it 50 or 60 games played when Hartikainen will have to clear waivers? Would the Oilers want to send him to OKC for the playoffs? Does a player no longer have to clear waivers once his team’s season is over?

    I think–and please don’t quote me–he cannot play too many games this season to qualify for waivers. However, he clicks through beginning fall. Paajarvi is I believe past the marker.

  16. pboy says:

    Is Hall okay?

  17. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide,

    I think it’s 60 games. He’s at 49 right now.

  18. gcw_rocks says:

    jonrmcleod,

    Yes, but we don’t have tambo in charge. That was his speciality.

  19. gcw_rocks says:

    spoiler,

    If you are the Oilers you gotta find a way to kiss and make up. You can’t afford to lose a prospect with this skill set.

  20. speeds says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Lowetide,

    I’m unclear about the waiver rules. Is it 50 or 60 games played when Hartikainen will have to clear waivers? Would the Oilers want to send him to OKC for the playoffs? Does a player no longer have to clear waivers once his team’s season is over?

    Based on his age when his signed his ELC, Hartikainen has to clear waivers after either 160 NHL games or 3 seasons, whichever happens first. He obviously can’t get to 160 games this year so he won’t have to clear waivers this season. He does have to clear waivers this fall though, as he’ll have played 3 seasons.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler: I’m not Freud. I can’t place a lot of emphasis on the ordering of extemporaneous lists.

    “I am all the names in history” and I place a great deal of importance in extemporaneous lists.

    Speaking of great listers, see Charles Sanders Pierce’s hilarious works on listing the “great men” of history, found in Vol. VII and VIII in his collected papers:

    http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674138032&content=toc

    a sample:

    The first thing we did was to make what I called an impressionist listof great men, –
    impressionist, because the admission to it of any name was to depend upon our pure observation of the impression of greatness which we received from the contemplation of his life and labors, while carefully abstaining from any analysis of greatness or of the reason for the impression we felt, since one of the very purposes of the list was to serve as a test of any theory of the nature of greatness and the cause of the impression it makes upon us. A preliminary list of nearly a thousand names was first formed; and these were considered and reconsidered, three or four times with increasing care, until we finally settled upon 288 great men. I was desirous of having this include substantially all the great men of history. Yet I was less concerned that it should omit none whom it ought to contain than that those that it did contain should form a fair sample of what great men were like. Since we were all students, no doubt we had a bias in favor of men of intellect; but against this we were on our guard. There was naturally some moral leaning, and the social atmosphere of Baltimore must have affected our judgments. Moreover, it is humanly impossible in such aselection to do justice to contemporaries, compatriots, and acquaintances, whose greatness we are too close by to discern. I could now improve the list in details, besides doing something toward bringing it down to date. But it was formed with so much care that I would not venture to touch it short of a good six months solid preparatory study.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/7221904/PIERCEs-Collected-Papers

    He suffered horribly from

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigeminal_neuralgia

    and still found it necessary to list things and took these lists to be very important.

  22. spoiler says:

    gcw_rocks:
    spoiler,

    If you are the Oilers you gotta find a way to kiss and make up.You can’t afford to lose a prospect with this skill set.

    You can say this all you want but that doesn’t make it happen when it takes two to make out. See Anaheim and Schultz. ANA bent over backwards, almost embarrassingly so, but it made no difference.

  23. jonrmcleod says:

    speeds,

    Thanks. So, hypothetically, could the Oilers send Pajaarvi to OKC for the AHL playoffs without having him go through waivers once the Oilers’ season is over?

  24. speeds says:

    Lowetide: I think–and please don’t quote me–he cannot play too many games this season to qualify for waivers. However, he clicks through beginning fall. Paajarvi is I believe past the marker.

    jonrmcleod:
    Thanks. So, hypothetically, could the Oilers send Pajaarvi to OKC for the AHL playoffs without having him go through waivers once the Oilers’ season is over?

    Paajarvi is at 159 GP, if they want him to play in the AHL playoffs he can still be sent down without waivers. However, if he plays another NHL game this season he’ll have to clear waivers to be sent down to the AHL.

    He’d have to clear waivers next fall even if he doesn’t play another NHL game this season.

  25. Woodguy says:

    Here’s my speculation:

    Didn’t someone mention that Gernat wanted 2nd rounder ELC and the club was offering a typical 5th rounder ELC?

    If so, that’s mostly signing bonus and a bit of salary, which shouldn’t be an issue.

    Perhaps v4.2 was reluctant to give him what he wanted.

    By the time of the MacT presser/Lowe Carnival its probably better to let Gernat concentrate on the playoffs and get it done after.

    I would expect it done soon after OK has no more hockey games.

    EDM has one of the worst depth charts in the NHL, any Dman would lick their chops looking at it.

    Its not like where Reider apparently looked at RW depth chart and though he could make the NHL quicker somewhere else.

    I wouldn’t doubt that Reider’s agent engineered the trade with PHX.

    Perfect landing spot for him.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Paajarvi turned the corner at the right time.

  27. hockeyguy10 says:

    LT

    No Fistric on the depth chart?

  28. Lowetide says:

    HG: Unsigned for next year.

  29. speeds says:

    Woodguy,

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think the signing bonus would be a huge problem in terms of where he was drafted – according to cap geek, the Oilers gave Hartikainen the max signing bonus and he was picked in the 6th round.

    If he wants performance bonuses, well, obviously you try to get that as low as you can but if he won’t budge on that, it’s not like you’d expect him to be in the NHL within 2 years anyways.

  30. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    hockeyguy10:
    LT

    No Fistric on the depth chart?

    UFA?

  31. mumbai max says:

    How about Tyler Myers as a top pairing D. Had an awesome 48 point rookie year, then he plateaued in the second year before signing a huge contract 7×5.5. Since then has struggled. He is huge and talented. It seems like a case of a young guy succumbing to the pressure of a big contract. I. cannot see Buffalo keeping such a cap hit while they clean house. I am guessing he could be pretty cheap. Ganger straight up?

  32. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: UFA?

    Yes. Oilers gave up a pretty high pick, so he would have signed imo under Tambellini. Bets are always off with a new GM.

  33. speeds says:

    That answers that, Oilers sign Gernat to ELC:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=666774

  34. hockeyguy10 says:

    Lowetide,

    When you get to be my age….. :-)

    I played lots of games in the Edmonton Gardens the best ones were if you were lucky enough to make the Finals in Minor Hockey Week. The place would be jammed.Or maybe it was 1/2 full but seemed jammed because you were a kid.

    Went to Bruce Macgregors hockey camp there too. Bob Falkenburg was one of the instructors.
    Now I have really dated myself.

    hey you kids,get off my lawn.

  35. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy,

    By the time of the MacT presser/Lowe Carnival its probably better to let Gernat concentrate on the playoffs and get it done after.
    I would expect it done soon after OK has no more hockey games.

    Or now.

    :)

  36. Woodguy says:

    Gernat’s agent called him before yesterday’s game about the contract offer and the kid goes out and get 5pts.

    Love it!

    Edit:

    WHL game summary has him at 2g 2a yesterday

    http://whl.ca/schedule/show/game/64601

  37. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    speeds: http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=666774

    HAHAHA…

    thank the gods, old and new!

  38. Lowetide says:

    hockeyguy10:
    Lowetide,

    When you get to be my age…..:-)

    I played lots of games in the Edmonton Gardens the best ones were if you were lucky enough to make the Finals in Minor Hockey Week. The place would be jammed.Or maybe it was 1/2 full but seemed jammed because you were a kid.

    Went to Bruce Macgregors hockey campthere too. Bob Falkenburg was one of the instructors.Now I have really dated myself.

    hey you kids,get off my lawn.

    Well, I had his hockey card so your story is better. :-)

  39. speeds says:

    speeds: One thing with Peckham is that EDM may be able to give him a 2 way QO, it doesn’t look like he’s played enough games to have to receive a one way offer.If that is the case, EDM may look to sign him to a two way deal, with the idea that he’d be a good AHL vet D, good 8th/9th D depth if no one claims him on waivers next fall.And if they do, well, that’s how it goes.If EDM decides they don’t want him to start the year as one of their top 7 D, they may prefer to trade him if they can get something for him, but if not, that might be an option.

    Something I forgot to mention is that, while EDM may be able to offer a two way QO, Peckham is under no obligation to accept it, and he does have arbitration rights. By sending Peckham a two way QO, EDM would be taking the risk that Peckham files for arbitration and is awarded a one way contract they can’t walk away from.

    Myself, I wouldn’t be comfortable with that risk, and wouldn’t give Peckham a QO.

  40. justDOit says:

    speeds:
    That answers that, Oilers sign Gernat to ELC:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=666774

    That’s great news. I hope his signing bonus includes a case of Rexall brand Weightgain 2000!

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Yes. Oilers gave up a pretty high pick, so he would have signed imo under Tambellini. Bets are always off with a new GM.

    you’ve got to think one of him and Peckham returns, right?

    and, considering the antipathy to Peckham… Fistric seems like the viable option.

    Can you imagine flushing both and starting from scratch? would that qualify as “bold”?

  42. Hammers says:

    God to think I was at those games . Great team at the time . As was the old Edmonton Flyers . Memories.

  43. hockeyguy10 says:

    Hammers,

    One of my distinct memories of an Oil King game at the Gardens was watching the teams come off the ice and as the refs followed them off a women leans over the glass and roundhouses the ref with her purse. Don’t know if it was a KO but he laid there for a while.

  44. denny33 says:

    Read today many scouts feel he can play right away…..Barkov

  45. denny33 says:

    Lowetide,

    Agreed …..

    Two things:

    If you are dressing two weaker skating D- do you have to play them TOGETHER?

    People point out the D breakout, rightly so, however, our forecheck is far less effective than most teams. Quick young forwards and most games we don;t force a lot of turnovers.

  46. denny33 says:

    spoiler,

    I assume you are joking about Belanger….embarassing last year-he took 4 steps back this year.

  47. art vandelay says:

    Great show on saturday. Enjoyed the interviews.

  48. Lowetide says:

    art vandelay:
    Great show on saturday. Enjoyed the interviews.

    Thanks, Art. I had so much fun. The Oil Kings were hilarious, could have talked all day.

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