TRADE DEADLINE 2013

I’ve written more words about the blue than anything else on this blog, and when it comes to the Oilers the river leads to an ocean. The news is better this spring, with Justin Schultz and his tremendous skill added to Smid-Petry and the rest. If we’re playing along at home and waiting for a Coffey-Huddy-Lowe-Gregg-Fogolin-Jackson complete set, I’ll suggest we’re at about 50% (Smid-Petry-Schultz the younger) with a lot of Gary Lariviere’s and Rick Chartraw’s hanging around.

The Oilers may have a chance at the deadline to add a reasonable fourth to the group.

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The Oilers have been looking up for so long it’s hard to remember the last player acquired as a rental (no it isn’t–the answer is Ales Kotalik). Here’s my quick hit list:

  1. D Mark Streit-A great match for need, and maybe they can sign him to an extension.
  2. L Curtis Glencross-He’d come at a dear price, but is a nice fit for the team’s needs and he’s a rugged bugger.
  3. R Drew Stafford-The Oiler connection is often mentioned, but he’s a good player.
  4. L RJ Umberger-Has plenty of skill and the size Oiler management apparently values like gold.
  5. D Keith Yandle-Supremely talented, but a major cap hit and he’ll cost the sun, moon and stars in trade.
  6. L Raffi Torres-He floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee.
  7. G Ben Bishop-Apparently someone has offered a first round pick, so he’ll be too dear.
  8. C Boyd Gordon: The Other John has convinced me. Jim Dowd walks among us!
  9. D Dmitry Kulikov: Young D apparently available, a perfect fit.

And my list of possible assets out:

  1. 2013 2nd round pick (ANA)
  2. Ladislav Smid (UFA): Edmonton hasn’t signed him yet and that might mean there’s a gap between agent and team in terms of zero’s on the contract. Smid is going to get paid, the Oilers have to figure out if they want to be the team to pay him. Signed
  3. Ryan Whitney (UFA): Defensemen always have increased value at the deadline.
  4. Mark Fistric (UFA): I doubt the club would get less than the pick they gave up for him (3rd rd pick).
  5. Ryan Jones (UFA): He’s coming off an eye injury, but his wheels are fine. An NHL team might want to increase their offense in the bottom 6F and have a guy who isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty, either.
  6. Nikolai Khabibulin (UFA): Will the Oilers re-sign him?
  7. Ales Hemsky (UFA 2014): The Oilers were not getting strong offers for him a year ago (the rumored return was a 2nd and a 4th from Nashville).
  8. Ben Eager (UFA 2014): One year left at $1.1M and the concussion issues are a concern. Plus he’s been on waivers.
  9. Eric Belanger (UFA 2014): Makes $1.75M and might fill a need for a 4line C, faceoff guy and penalty killer. Injured.
  10. D Theo Peckham (RFA 2013): Forgotten man among the Oilers, but he’s a defenseman with NHL experience and that has value.

I’ll update as I can today, please post any deals in the comments and I’ll do a wrap for the GDT later today.

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  1. godot10 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    godot10,

    Douglass Murray is horrible and got 2! 2nd rounders.There were deals to be made.

    Ray Shero isn’t perfect. The Penquins have a particular need on defense, particularly for a defensive D who can handle big bodies. He also was impatient. He went early. He hit the bid like Tambellini did on Smithson.

  2. Ice Sage says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: they could have been blowing smoke, but they was a lot of discussion about Whitney. and Tambi came out today and said they decided to keep him.

    That doesn’t mean there weren’t offers, nor does it mean the offers were any good… but other GMs offloaded dead weight for help down the road and looks like ST decided to stand pat with Whitney.

    I don’t think that’s the right choice

    Yes, that ‘s a better take on things re: Whitney… “in ankle we trust”

  3. Ribs says:

    Tambellini is treating Whitney like he’s Eberle and Hall’s first car. It doesn’t run any more and the wheels are about to fall off, but sure, you can keep it in my driveway, kids. It has sentimental value!

    Well, hopefully he plays his ass off and makes the gamble worth it.

  4. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    ASkoreyko:
    I know I don’t post here a lot so my opinion on this matter is suspect at best, however!

    It really seems like the quality of the commenter driven content on the blog is starting to degrade. Lowetide has had to step in more than a few times recently to start deleting posts and he even had an actual thread on such an issue. LT’s is starting to turn into a sub-section of HF boards.

    People taking such extreme positions on what is really very small moves marginalizes them and the forum from a reasonable and mature discussion. I think people need to start trying to model their posts after LT himself, the reason people enjoy coming here and reading his articles is they are well thought out and considerate of all the different angles to the topic. Imagine what this place would be like if LT reacted so strongly one way or another throughout the season?

    Hell even when D-S-F would drop in here to troll it would at least generate some actual hockey discussion. Think about it this way, when you drop in and post something along the lines of “Tambo is such a moron, this team is so terrible its a disgrace, we don’t even belong in the NHL” think about what that actually contributes to a discussion. (Hint- nothing at all).

    Anyway I like the Smithson trade. For everyone saying this should of been done a while ago chances are such a trade was not available. Also as another poster has mentioned prices go up at the trade-deadline. The bottom line is the Oilers did not sell off any part of the future and got a potentially very useful 4th liner that might look very good on our team down the line. Sure there is no offence but we also don’t have to pay him like he scores, should be a nice cheap vet that can win a face-off and hit a few people. Pretty much exactly what you want from your 4th line player.

    I hear what you are saying here… but a few considerations.

    1) this is a trade deadline blog. think of it in terms of a game day thread. some posts are going to be more in depth and analytical before the game… then it starts and most are going to be “fuck whitney… move!” “Hall’s a beast!” etc.

    I’m not sure dissecting the fray after the fact is particularly helpful.

    2) I think after being the worst team in the league since the last CBA… it’s pretty reasonable to express a healthy (if hyperbolic) frustration with how this team is managed.

    3) I don’t think “minor deals” are a get out of jail free card. Yes Eager, Barker, Belanger, Brown, Hordichuk, Fistric, Smithson, etc. are all minor deals compared to your top 6 and top 4 players.

    But I think it is completely reasonable to dissect these moves and question whether the Oil are getting value for dollars, keeping themselves open to the future (in terms of both cap, and roster space), and addressing the needs of the club.

    Sometimes that frustration and analysis says: why are you passing on A. Hall and waiting a month to pay for Smithson… sometimes you add a “fuck tambi” to it…

    I don’t see how that is degrading.

    Someone not willing to argue their point — i.e., “I hate that movie” “why?” “because I hate it” — ought to be called out. But I don’t see a lot of that kind of useless circular argument around here.

    4) I think i can safely point to all the egghead edm. bloggers using salty language re: mgt. at some point… is that degrading their arguments?

  5. denny33 says:

    stevezie,

    Excellent point….why 8 defenceman in a sellers market?

    If you were EVER looking to move even 1 of those d-man – this was a glorious year.

  6. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lucinius:
    This is just my opinion, but I think keeping Whitney was more to appease Hall and Co. than anything else. They seem to really like Whitney, both on and off the ice.

    that’s an interesting thought.

    It is certainly possible they weighed the “didn’t want to send the room the wrong message” very heavily in this regard.

    still… RK said at the beginning of the year his preference was 7 D. They’ve been carrying 8 for a long time now. even if only to dump a contract, I’m a little shocked one of WHitney, Fistric and Peckham didn’t leave town.

  7. godot10 says:

    denny33:
    stevezie,

    Excellent point….why 8 defenceman in a sellers market?

    If you were EVER looking to move even 1 of those d-man– this was a glorious year.

    Potter has another year on his contract. Fistric is a regular season asset, not a playoff asset. Peckham has hardly played a game. Whitney is no longer a good defenemen, and noone one offered a 2nd.

    If somebody had offered a 2nd for Whitney, the Oilers probably would have traded him, but the fact that he is still here means the offers were no where close to that.

    Dumping Whitney for anything less than a 2nd would be bad karma.

  8. spoiler says:

    ASkoreyko: I know I don’t post here a lot so my opinion on this matter is suspect at best, however!

    It really seems like the quality of the commenter driven content on the blog is starting to degrade. Lowetide has had to step in more than a few times recently to start deleting posts and he even had an actual thread on such an issue. LT’s is starting to turn into a sub-section of HF boards.

    People taking such extreme positions on what is really very small moves marginalizes them and the forum from a reasonable and mature discussion. I think people need to start trying to model their posts after LT himself, the reason people enjoy coming here and reading his articles is they are well thought out and considerate of all the different angles to the topic. Imagine what this place would be like if LT reacted so strongly one way or another throughout the season?

    Hell even when D-S-F would drop in here to troll it would at least generate some actual hockey discussion. Think about it this way, when you drop in and post something along the lines of “Tambo is such a moron, this team is so terrible its a disgrace, we don’t even belong in the NHL” think about what that actually contributes to a discussion. (Hint- nothing at all).

    Anyway I like the Smithson trade. For everyone saying this should of been done a while ago chances are such a trade was not available. Also as another poster has mentioned prices go up at the trade-deadline. The bottom line is the Oilers did not sell off any part of the future and got a potentially very useful 4th liner that might look very good on our team down the line. Sure there is no offence but we also don’t have to pay him like he scores, should be a nice cheap vet that can win a face-off and hit a few people. Pretty much exactly what you want from your 4th line player.

    Post of the day.

  9. icecastles says:

    ASkoreyko: It really seems like the quality of the commenter driven content on the blog is starting to degrade

    With some of the commenters here you just have to appreciate where they’re coming from.

    Bookje: Complete cynic. No joy or optimism whatsoever.

    “Steve Smith”: No sense of humour. Too serious.

    DeadManWaking: Probably terrible at Twitter.

    Woodguy: Hates stats and logic. Completely unreasonable.

    DSF: Terrified of controversy, always sitting on the fence.

    Cabbiesmacker: From his handle, clearly a Pat Kane fan.

    VanOil: Geographically challenged.

    Lowetide: Does he even write anything?

    Beaker: The least fuzzy of all the muppets.

    FuzzyMuppet: Just too fuzzy. Might as well be an ewok.

    Traktor: First class guy. Needs to come around more.

  10. FastOil says:

    Clarence Oveur: Fast

    Both are better than Whitney and Potter

    Bag of Pucks: Fast

    Shero had no problem. If they knew what they wanted (or better needed) get on the phone. These are 5 minute deals when you’re talking a low round pick or two.

    godot10: Fast

    5 contracts out, five in. If Doug Murray and “Zero G” Clowe and Mason can be moved, Whitney, Khabii, Jones, Potter, Peckham can. The Jackets traded a plugger out for the season so even Belanger could have been. They either want too much or didn’t try. We saw a lot of deals, it’s a matter of willingness and knowing what you’re team needs. Or what makes a good team.

  11. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    DBO,

    McPhee’s just bet his job on one playoff run. They’ll regret sending out young Forsberg.

  12. cabbiesmacker says:

    Bos8: No, the guy cheats, they’re too labored.He’s working a shtick.

    I can see him practicing on his dwindling set of acquaintances.

    I’ve said it once before in here Bos….when we had animals as sick as Gene on the farm we took them out back of the barn and shot them.

    Not that I would ever advocate the same sort of treatment be meted out for Gene…hmm

  13. asiaoil says:

    ashley:
    Smithson for a 4th?The Oilers weren’t planning on doing anything, but they thought they’d trade some junk for junk to keep LT from posting another “It’s over” post tonight, followed by all the posts by us minions saying “Do something, anything!”.

    Why not 6 weeks ago?He probably wasn’t available.Everyone was still in it 6 weeks ago.What message would Florida send to their players by dumping Smithson 6 weeks ago?

    Why a fourth now when he cost a 6th before?It’s the trade deadline.Everything is more expensive.

    Neither Smithson nor the 4th round pick are significant assets that will hurt or harm this club.Smithson will enjoy an 8 game honeymoon period before we all turn on him like we did other marginal players of his ilk like Belanger, Brule, Fraser etc.

    Unless we make the second season.Then we will trumpet Tambellini’s genius.

    So let me get this straight. It was cheaper (not trade deadline) to acquire help 6 weeks ago when Horc was hurt but we didn’t do it. But instead we made the small move we needed to make back then now and over-paid (because it’s the deadline). If you are attempting to rationalize the pathetic flailing about that this mgmt group engages in – it’s not working.

  14. FastOil says:

    godot10: Potter has another year on his contract.Fistric is a regular season asset, not a playoff asset.Peckham has hardly played a game.Whitney is no longer a good defenemen, and noone one offered a 2nd.

    If somebody had offered a 2nd for Whitney, the Oilers probably would have traded him, but the fact that he is stillhere means the offers were no where close to that.

    Dumping Whitney for anything less than a 2nd would be bad karma.

    The concern is whether management mistake a hot streak with having a good enough team. The UFA’s are all “below replacement level” players, and somewhat to a lot better players could have been brought in for little cost. It doesn’t matter what you get for the players that aren’t good, it matters to get them off your team, like the Sharks did.

    If you’re going to have bad players and bleed chances, to me it seems better to give LT’s “at bats” to players of the future. Sure they’ll also get whooped, but at least they are learning and gaining experience which is a benefit to the team and brings their maturation around more quickly.

  15. cabbiesmacker says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Hence why they HAVE a new GM, that’s turned the team around incidentally

    Hence they are Montreal, or as Dennis would call them……………..

    and I hate them……….

    and I really don’t think their fans have much to poke fingers at

    do you?

    PS

    Les Habitants blow

  16. cabbiesmacker says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Comeau would have been a very nice acquisition for playoffs

    Perry?

    Moon River in place of Oh Canada? I like it

  17. rickithebear says:

    So if we valued draft picks by success rate
    a 1st is a dollar.

    You guys are bitching over paying 8 cents for a real player
    when you could have payed 6 cents.

    Killing Me!

  18. ASkoreyko says:

    Lucinius:
    This is just my opinion, but I think keeping Whitney was more to appease Hall and Co. than anything else. They seem to really like Whitney, both on and off the ice.

    This could very well be the exact reason.

    After watching Taylor Hall and co playing flat out here down the stretch to push for the playoffs it would send quite the message to them if they started off-loading people to maximize their return. I get the argument to exact maximum value for all your assets but sometimes it is about showing goodwill to your employees and proving to them they didn’t sacrifice themselves for nothing.

    Hall et al. do really seem to get along with Whitney and perhaps it was a move to not upset the core of the team too much here down the stretch. The nice thing is perhaps Taylor Hall can become a mini-GM of sorts, there is lots of speculation he is the one that kept Hemsky in town. If Taylor keeps playing like he has been of late it gets pretty hard to argue with him.

  19. denny33 says:

    godot10,

    I agree they are not good Players…and I will leave Jones.

    However, Robyn Regehr is slower than Whitney. He turns 33 and had to pass a physical – he garnered TWO picks. I believe Whitney could have been moved for say half the compensation of Regehr.

    MIchael Handzus – was too slow for the league 3 years ago and he was traded for a 4th round pick.

    And as someone else mentioned – ‘it appears there was a market for Belanger’….

    Given Regehr and Handzus ….the bar was really, really low this year.

    Heck even Wade Redden was moved…

  20. FastOil says:

    As for keeping Whitney. Any player at this level is hyper competitive. I don’t think the kids missed Whitney getting turn-styled for most of the season. I am sure they can put personal feelings aside and would rather have better players on the team. It’s the only way to contend and Hall knows that for sure.

  21. Kris11 says:

    “t really seems like the quality of the commenter driven content on the blog is starting to degrade. Lowetide has had to step in more than a few times recently to start deleting posts and he even had an actual thread on such an issue. LT’s is starting to turn into a sub-section of HF boards.

    People taking such extreme positions on what is really very small moves marginalizes them and the forum from a reasonable and mature discussion. I think people need to start trying to model their posts after LT himself, the reason people enjoy coming here and reading his articles is they are well thought out and considerate of all the different angles to the topic. Imagine what this place would be like if LT reacted so strongly one way or another throughout the season?”

    Were you around in the olden days, when the comments page was great?

    The comment sections here used to be better only because JW, Derek Zona, Vic, and Tyler (and a few others who were good like H-Bomb, PDO, the COI guys, Dennis, RiversQ, Golden Child, etc.) were all super smart posters who posted frequently, often with stats driven arguments over really minor stuff.

    But always, always the best discussions were about small bore stuff. And always people were aggressively disputing pretty minor things like who should be in the lineup, minor trades, line matching, whether a cap hit was a little too high, etc.

    Truthfully, nothing in hockey matters. If Tambellini drafted Murray instead of Yak, it’s just hockey. Who knows, maybe it is the right pick. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

    But this is a hockey blog. We fight about whether Schremp deserves another game in the lineup or whether Horc’s deal is 1MM too high or .5MM to high. This is all really small stuff, but it adds up in the aggregate. The Oilers couldn’t graba player like Jussi Jokinen because they hit 50 contracts too quickly after wasting slots on Eager and Hordichuk. Those two signings hurt the team. Death by a thousand cuts, as they say.

    Moreover, if you had been here when the great commenters were here, you would’ve seen all of them arguing that a bunch of little bad moves by Tambellini or Lowe are killing the team (worst in hockey for a long time). Not one of those guys would agree with your analysis or your call for civility, IMO.

  22. DBO says:

    buffalo did a lot in a few days

    Subtractions:
    T.J. Brennan
    Jordan Leopold
    Robyn Regehr
    Jason Pominville
    2014 4th round pick

    Additions:
    G Matt Hackett
    F Johan Larsson
    2013 1st Round Pick
    2013 2nd Round Pick
    2013 5th Round Conditional Pick (becomes 4th if Blues win a playoff series)
    2013 5th Round Pick
    2014 2nd Round Pick
    2014 4th Round Pick
    2014 2nd Round Pick
    2015 2nd Round Pick

  23. FPB94 says:

    cabbiesmacker: Scott Gomez and Brian Gionta say hello.

    That’s why they all got fired and replaced LOL.

  24. Melman says:

    I think it’s more weird (weirder?) that they kept both Peckham and Fistric – Figured one of them would go. Who knows maybe they were trying to include them in a bigger deal and it just didn’t come together.

  25. FPB94 says:

    What the hell? I didn’t like Forsberg but a 11# choice for Martin Erat?!

  26. Kris11 says:

    The headline of former great commenter Ben Massey at Coppernblue on the deal is:

    “”Edmonton Oilers Acquire Trash Bag Full of Hamburgers Named J”erred Smithson”"

  27. FastOil says:

    rickithebear:
    So if we valued draft picks by success ratea 1st is a dollar.

    You guys are bitching over paying 8 cents for a real player
    when you could have payed 6 cents.

    Killing Me!

    “Real player” – yet to be determined. I think many have clarified it’s not about the cost, it’s that other teams found better players for the same cost. It’s about not getting the best player available which is essential.

    For me it’s also about them again taking a player based on reputation rather than current performance, although Belanger didn’t seem as far gone from the previous year. This guy is 34 and clearly declining, but I suppose they can let him walk.

  28. ASkoreyko says:

    Kris11,

    Arguing over whether Horcoff is paid too much or too little or whether we should of draft Taylor or Tyler are all great discussions filled with interesting point and counter point. I have no problem with bickering and disagreement.

    What I do have a problem with is people simply posting about how the Oilers are garbage and the worst team in the league EVAR!!!!!

    It’s great to make such a statement and then back it up with a discussion point or some statistical analysis, its another to say the Oilers suck because you say so. Otherwise this place just slips into a call in radio show where people just communicate things one-way with no feedback. Reminds me of the drive-by argument from Family Guy:

    ” (Family is trying to hide from mobsters.)
    Peter: Don’t worry, I got it all worked out. We’ll move to England, huh? Worst they got there is, you know, drive-by… arguments…
    (Meanwhile, in England.)
    Englishman: I say, Jeremy, isn’t that Reginald B. Stifworth, the young upstart chap who’s been touting the merits of a united European commonwealth?
    Jeremy: Why yes, I daresay it is.
    Englishman: Oh, let’s get him.
    (They drive up.)
    Englishman: Oh Reginald… I disagree.
    (drives off)”

    What’s the point? No one can respond to it and it doesn’t add anything to the forum other than noise.

  29. bookje says:

    Kris11:
    The headline of former great commenter Ben Massey at Coppernblue on the deal is:

    “”Edmonton Oilers Acquire Trash Bag Full of Hamburgers Named J”erred Smithson””

    Derrek and Ben hate the current Oilers management and haven’t written anything that has even seemed objective in 3+ years.

  30. FPB94 says:

    bookje,

    I agree with them tough; Oilers keep paying for the garbage you get off the waiver wire.

  31. ashley says:

    asiaoil: So let me get this straight. It was cheaper (not trade deadline) to acquire help 6 weeks ago when Horc was hurt but we didn’t do it. But instead we made the small move we needed to make back then now and over-paid (because it’s the deadline).If you are attempting to rationalize the pathetic flailing about that this mgmt group engages in – it’s not working.

    No, the two comments are answering two independent questions.

    Smithson (or some other center) probably wasn’t available 6 weeks ago for any draft pick. Why help another team with a roster player for future considerations when it looks like you are still in it and could use that roster player?

    Now that Florida is out of it and have identified themselves as sellers, we find ourselves at the trade deadline where roster players cost more than they do at other times of the year. This also is the time when Smithson has become available.

    The corollary is the draft week where suddenly roster players are fodder and fourth/fifth round draft picks are treasure.

  32. TheOtherJohn says:

    cabbiesmacker: My, how we convolute things huh?

    Where did I say Conacher was the best young player available? Don’t really get why you can’t get your head around “The Oilers weren’t willing to give up as much.”

    I have zero against Bishop. I’d have really liked him here. Oilers couldn’t match or wouldn’t trade a player Ott liked as much as Conacher, no matter how hard you push the 5’8 170 point…..like it actually has some merit.

    Whatever you think Conacher is or isn’t makes no diff. Elmer Fudd had a chubb for him.

    Conacher – 23 – 5’8 – 170 – AHL MVP – solid rookie season…hmmmm But guys like that can’t make an impression in the NHL

    Martin St Louis says hello – Brian Gionta is right behind him combing his hair

    You do not follow the argument. Bishop would have been a 1A goaltender. Similar #’s to Dubnyk. We have no one in the stystem remotely close to being an NHL goalie. I. E. 2-3 years away. Conancher is a small player that took 5 years to reach the NHL. Neither of those attributes point to confidence in him being a great player. There are good small players. They are outliers. Offensive players that take 5 years to reach the NhL are unlikely to be juggernauts. He may become Martin St Louis. I doubt it. But that’s my opinion. You are entitled to one as well. As to the MVP of the AHL I do not think it means what you think it means: Conancher, Corey Locke, Keith Aucoin, Andre Giroux, Jason Krog, Darren Haydar & Donald MacLean are the last 7 winners.. No Martin St Loius in that group.

    To acquire Bishop you would have to give up something valuable. None of our non 1st round forwards fit that bill so it would be 1 or more of our defensive prospects or a combo of prospects. . But to say we could not beat TB’s offer is your opinion. It is decidedly not a fact.

    Bishop’s numbers are surprisingly good for a 2/3 goalie. I do not think it is their system. that is my opinion

  33. Bar_Qu says:

    bookje,

    Yeah, it is hard to take their viewpoint seriously when it is the same view over& over again.

    But the Smithson trade does not seem like a quality move.

  34. DeadmanWaking says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Sometimes that frustration and analysis says: why are you passing on A. Hall and waiting a month to pay for Smithson… sometimes you add a “fuck tambi” to it…

    That’s not a problem until the chorus of salty language starts to give people a mob-throb boner. Riots are made from this.

    My formula for team success is to award 0 points for not making the playoffs, 1 point when eliminated in the first round, 2 points when eliminated in the second round, 4 points when eliminated in the third round, 8 points when eliminated in the fourth round, and 16 when not eliminated until the morning after the celebration. This formula awards 48 points per season. Over the seven CBA seasons it awards 336 points. Divided over 30 franchises, par over the last CBA is a tad over 11 points.

    By my formula, the Oilers achieved 8 points over that span (one final round elimination plus six years of blue and black balls). We were one freaking game away from carting off 16 points. Even at 8 points, we were probably middle of the pack, since some teams (such as the Canucks) were hoarders. I don’t subtract our “luck” in 2005 unless I also subtract out everyone else’s undeserved success. That’s a big job. And I left my magic luck-discernment dowsing rod in the back pocket of my east-coast pair of Jed Clampett overalls.

    Over the next seven year stretch (including this season), we’re presently in the running to stake our claim as league pinnacle. Three years into the final four with one cup to show for punches your ticket to the presentation awards. We might fall short. We might only clear par eleven by six points and not twenty.

    Perhaps some of you assign one point to making the playoffs and two points to winning the cup. Your choice. Reasonable people may disagree. I’d be pretty hot under the collar myself if that were my formula.

    If reasonable people can’t even agree on the underlying success metric, Fuzzy Muppet has seriously lost the handle on reasonable discourse expecting that we’re all going to bone the klaxon over a fourth round pick expended to fill a minor need after a since-yesterday season-saving performance uptick.

    It’s always the voices with the least regard for tone who grind us a noisy river over mis-micromanagement of the meat-puppet trading cards. The whole of the Al Gore is littered with the white-flower graves of forums where the tone got out of hand and the salt started to spray.

  35. Kris11 says:

    They have been garbage for over a decade and now are better because the draft rules are set up to pity the worst teams.

    Which teams have been worse over the last decade. I’ll give you the Isles, maybe. (The Isles are one of the worst teams in all pro sports, so it isn’t saying much to be better.)

    Who else? Maybe the Thrashers. (An expansion team that ran into financial trouble.)

    I’d say the Blue Jackets are a little better than the Oilers over the last 10 years (despite being an expansion team.) The Blue Jackets have had some better seasons than the Oilers, even though the Oilers had the cup run, so that is disputable. I’d say exactly the same about the Panthers.

    Toronto has been awful recently, but were not bad before that.

    So here is my list of worst performing teams of the last decade (or so), from worst to least bad:

    1. Islanders
    2. Thrashers/Jets
    3. Oilers
    4. Panthers
    5. Blue Jackets

    I can see some people changing the order of 3, 4, and 5 because it is hard to weight the Oilers one playoff success against with their many regular season tank jobs against the absence of playoff success but slightly better regular season performances of the Panthers and Jackets.

    I’m also not sure whether the Thrashers count as a team to be ranked in this ranking, so amongst current teams, the Oilers are second worst.

    Finally, I think there is a case to be made that the Islanders have had a better decade than the Oilers, performance wise. They have made the playoffs a little more often and have never tanked as badly for as long as the Oilers did recently.

    What is wrong with what I have said? Please dispute, not complain.

  36. Lucinius says:

    As someone who’s stated they are largely pleased with the day for the Oilers, I will say that it isn’t as though I didn’t want more to happen, or for the Oilers to make out better. My list goes like this, basically;

    1) Whitney: Didn’t think he was going anywhere based on the recent stance by management on him and the comments from the Kids about wanting him to stay. Also unlikely the Oilers got a good enough offer based on the asking for too much off of how high Shero drove things with the Murray deal.

    2) Peckham: Wasn’t going to be moved solely because he’s in limbo. Came to camp out of shape (a massive no-no in the eyes of every management team out there as it says a lot about the player), can’t even crack our defense corps and no one really knows if he’s back in game shape yet. Why bother even taking a risk? Why even bother risking a seventh rounder on him when you can easily get someone who’s at least a known quantity.

    3) Fistric: I don’t think the Oilers even wanted to trade him. They like his game and how he can easily be rotated in on 6/7th duty with Potter. Sure some teams might have been interested in him, but unlikely for anything higher than a fourth and with a possible playoff push you’re making the team worse by trading him, same with Potter (not a stance I agree with, mind you).

    4) Jones: I think they really like him, even if the coach isn’t sold on him. Brings “jam” and “flow” to the team. Scores gritty, ugly goals (this year IS an off year for him, so you’d be selling an asset at its low point; bad asset management!) and coming off injury. Wouldn’t have likely gotten anything good for him at this deadline. Next year, if they re-sign him (I think they will, and for cheap) he might fetch a whole lot more or not be someone you want to move.

    5) Petrell/Eager/Hordichuk: No market. At all. The Petrell band-wagon exists only amongst the Oiler coaching staff and management. Eager and Hordichuk are simply done.

    6) Khabbi; I don’t think they saw any point in trading him given return, possibly wanting to re-sign him and the fact he’s been, apparently, key in acclimating Yakupov to Edmonton and helping Dubnyk out with his game in the last two years, and is supposedly “great in the room”.

    7) Belanger: Hurt, weren’t going to be able to move him for Bryzgalov (okay, that’s an exaggeration — Philly would love to have someone else buy him out), let alone anything good.

    So I don’t see any reason to be surprised with the Oilers doing next to nothing.

    As for getting Smithers.. I don’t mind it. Cost is low (4th rounders don’t exactly run high odds of turning out as NHLers, especially not anytime soon) and it was someone they were comfortable with playing their system. Would Jokinen or Hall been better? Maybe. But who the fuck knows what’s going on with Hall and the yo-yo with Tampa, and Jokinen’s contract for next year was a risk. They likely didn’t even have a chance to talk to Carolina about eating salary, given the history of trades between Carolina and Pittsburgh.

    And bringing in Smithers allows the Oilers to let Belanger finish the year on the injured reserve, move Smyth back to wing on the third line for a better checking/scoring line with Horcoff and Yakupov and drop Jones down the fourth line to rotate with Petrell.

    The team gets better with the move and they get a RH face off guy to help clinch wins when the Oilers inevitable end up taking defensive zone draws with less than a minute to go after icing the puck a billion times wit the fourth line out there.

  37. Kris11 says:

    bookje,

    It is objectively true that the management sucks, which is why the team has sucked in the objective category of wins and losses for so long.

    The defense of Tambellini is reminding me a lot of some defenses of Lowe that some folks are still embarrassed about in restrospect.

  38. Kris11 says:

    “4) Jones: I think they really like him, even if the coach isn’t sold on him. Brings “jam” and “flow” to the team. Scores gritty, ugly goals (this year IS an off year for him, so you’d be selling an asset at its low point; bad asset management!) and coming off injury. Wouldn’t have likely gotten anything good for him at this deadline. Next year, if they re-sign him (I think they will, and for cheap) he might fetch a whole lot more or not be someone you want to move.”

    Aargh!

    “6) Khabbi; I don’t think they saw any point in trading him given return, possibly wanting to re-sign him ”

    Kill me now.

  39. Lucinius says:

    And I will just chip in with this;

    While the above may just be my opinion we all know that I am completely correct and cannot be wrong. Why, you ask?

    Because I’ve already hit the vodka and have plenty more available for use as molotovs if anyone disagrees!

    Even Hbomb’s liquor cabinet would pale compared to the sheer flammable quantity of cheap vodka I have!

  40. Kris11 says:

    Kris11,

    All that is a way of saying that by any measure the Oilers record over the decade is one of the worst 5 in the league (two others are fairly recent expansion teams: CBJ and ATL)

    The only question is how far up the ladder of the worst 5 the Oilers one flukey playoff run (where they almost missed the playoffs) pushes them.

    Some here seem to think it pushes them far up, but I think they are failing to see how much of the run was driven by a run of good percentages at exactly the right time.

  41. Kris11 says:

    Bar_Qu,

    Bar Qu,

    The management are getting the same results over and over again.

    How would you respond if you were an Islanders fan? (Quick tip: you are an Islanders fan, effectively. Glory in the 80′s and crap since.)

  42. Lucinius says:

    Kris11,

    Yeah. I’m not thrilled with the idea of re-signing Khabbi and not moving him. I would of chucked him out of the organization quickly for anything above a 5th rounder.

    As for Jones.. I don’t mind not trading him. Its a bad year to trade him by any measure. Is he a bad player in a lot of areas? Oh god, yes. But he is known for scoring a decent number of goals — a type of goal the Oilers struggle to score otherwise. He will have more value in the future and this year may let us re-sign him for cheap and then when his stock goes higher.

    But I believe he should have been traded at LAST YEAR’s deadline.

  43. "Steve Smith" says:

    It’s okay! I’m here! The thread is saved!

    Let’s see what I’ve got to contribute…hey, did Ricki say something above? He did? Well, take a gander at this: FIRETRUCK!!!!!!

    I’m awesome.

  44. Kris11 says:

    That said, I suspect that Katz will fire Tambellini soon enough, and move Lowe somewhere he can’t do any damage, and a new GM should be able to do really well with the players that the league has given the Oilers out of pity.

  45. Kris11 says:

    Lucinius,

    Agreed Lucinius.

    Though I don’t think a certain type of goal is better than another type.

  46. hunter1909 says:

    Hate to piss in everyone’s cornflakes, but Mr. Tambellini feels that the roster as constituted is good enough for this season’s uber-experiment; which is, to somehow claw into the playoffs(only and if only they’re good enough as constituted) then, let em rip.

    A competent backup in the playoffs beats having another 2006. Sorry to piss in everyone’s cornflakes.

    I’m perfectly happy with them letting Khabibulin play out the rest of his contract as playoff backup. Similarly, Whitney’s earned a shot at glory before he leaves town, as opposed to selling him off and weakening the team, as constituted.

    Oilers practice a form of hockey Darwinism like few other teams. It’s why they hardly ever won the league in the points race – preferring to shoot for the playoffs every time instead. One facet for example, is the way the Oilers are already in playoff mode; knowing that they cannot afford to lose points from here on in. If they manage to make it, the higher ranked team is going to have a first round surprise…meeting a team that’s already in Conference Final mode.

  47. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lucinius:
    And I will just chip in with this;

    Even Hbomb’s liquor cabinet would pale compared to the sheer flammable quantity of cheap vodka I have!

    Oh, I’ll take that bet.

    If his place ever even sees so much as a spark they’ll be evacuating 1/2 of Edmonton.

  48. "Steve Smith" says:

    hunter1909,

    I was going to offer a counter-argument to this, but I figure if I just give you until the next Oilers’ loss, you’ll do a better job of it than I would have.

  49. godot10 says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Bishop’s numbers are surprisingly good for a 2/3 goalie. I do not think it is their system. that is my opinion

    Bishop’s sample size of good play at the NHL level is smaller than Steve Mason’s Calder rookie season.

    The Oilers (according to LeBrun) offered a 2nd and Jones for Bishop. Murray opted for a forward in Conacher (and a 4th) who has the potential to help offensively on their top two lines right now. The Senators have a lot of competent bottom six forwards right now.

    Based on Bishop’s sample size, the Oilers offer was pretty much the max offer they could make without it being an overpay.

    Craig Button thought Tampa overpaid for a still unproven goaltender.

  50. FPB94 says:

    Conacher’s a kid with a proven AHL scoring capability and 24 points in 35 NHL games.

    Clearly he’s worth more than Jones and the 2nd rounder.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Clarence Oveur,

    i’m thrilled that Labatt 50 is available in draft.

    I need to get back to Ottawa soon.

  52. FPB94 says:

    Woodguy:
    Clarence Oveur,

    i’m thrilled that Labatt 50 is available in draft.

    I need to get back to Ottawa soon.

    No you’re not. Wash that filthy mouth of yours with soap.

  53. cabbiesmacker says:

    Kris11:

    Moreover, if you had been here when the great commenters were here, you would’ve seen all of them arguing that a bunch of little bad moves by Tambellini or Lowe are killing the team (worst in hockey for a long time). Not one of those guys would agree with your analysis or your call for civility, IMO.

    Hell yeah. I even remember some of the “supersmart” stuff. LIke…

    - Jay Feaster is one of the NHL’s truly brilliant minds

    - No way are Curtis Glencross” numbers sustainable.

    sigh

  54. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: hunter1909, I was going to offer a counter-argument to this, but I figure if I just give you until the next Oilers’ loss, you’ll do a better job of it than I would have.

    Priceless.

  55. jb says:

    I think Whitney coming off an injury needed a good half season to get back into the groove before we should have been criticizing his play too harshly.

    His game appears to have picked up recently. I think it’s safe to say they’ll strongly consider re-signing the guy now. I figure they wouldn’t based on his play, but in reality they might be able to sign him to a slightly cheaper contract and end up with a bit of a discount just for showing some loyalty and good faith. I fully expect them to re-sign Fistric as well.

    The whole Fistric, Brown, Smithson additions are about finding the RIGHT complementary players. It’s way to easy to sit there and say Why not Hall? we coulda had him for free… but why Hall? That’s my question. Let’s be honest though, we’ve given up basically nothing to bring these guys in for auditions.

  56. cabbiesmacker says:

    FPB94:
    Conacher’s a kid with a proven AHL scoring capability and 24 points in 35 NHL games.

    Clearly he’s worth more than Jones and the 2nd rounder.

    Hey FPB…even if he’s not Murray liked enough about him to pull the trigger and there were a few teams making offers apparently.

    Maybe Tambo offered Petrell on top of the pick? what was Murray thinking?

  57. Marc says:

    Kris11:
    bookje,

    It is objectively true that the management sucks, which is why the team has sucked in the objective category of wins and losses for so long.

    It’s objectively true in the same way that it’s objectively true that Hemsky sucks because he’s only scored 40 goals total over the last 4 seasons – if you choose a childishly simple metric ie. goals for players, wins for GMs, as the sole means by which you make your asssesment.

    If wins and losses are the sole criteria that you judge management by, then it is absolutely true that Tambellini sucks. But by that reasoning, any move that leads to wins (such as trading Chara and the 2nd overall pick for Yashin) is a good move and any that leads to losses (such as not signing big ticket free agents to leave cap space to sign talente young players on ELCs) is a bad move.

    A more realistic assessment of a GM recognises that any move that they make (or don’t make) will have different risks and benefits in the short, medium and long term and needs to be judge with that in mind, and is considerably harder to assess objectively.

    But that doesn’t stop some of us at least from trying.

  58. Kris11 says:

    cabbiesmacker: Hell yeah. I even remember some of the “supersmart” stuff. LIke…

    - Jay Feaster is one of the NHL’s truly brilliant minds

    - No way are Curtis Glencross” numbers sustainable.

    sigh

    Cite please.

  59. FastOil says:

    Is it cynical to ponder if a management group that adds an aging bit player that has as good a chance of flopping as helping at all (and any help will LIKELY be marginal at best) to appear to be doing something to help to team and fans, is actually thinking about the draft and hoping the hot streak ends?

    The inaction speaks to me of either being alarmingly out of touch or not wanting to win. Sorry to bring up tanking but it seems a valid point to me. I am also sorry about the run on sentence but I thought it would be a bit of fun, like a puzzle for those already drinking angrily at Tambellini.

  60. FPB94 says:

    Kris11: Cite please.

    Jay Feaster won a cup and did so while keeping two N1 centers happy. I tought he was a pretty good GM before he went insane.

  61. Kris11 says:

    I would say by objective criteria of goals, assists, Corsi rates we could say the following of Hemsky:

    Hemsky is a solid first line player when he is healthy, contributing points and doing well via Corsi rates, when he is healthy. However, he has been so unhealthy that he hasn’t helped the Oilers W/L record nearly as much as he would if he were healthy.

    That isn’t “sucks”, it is “good when healthy” but “health is a problem.”

    Oilers management has lost consistently since the cup run and made awful trades and signings and attempts at signings.

    I can’t believe we’re even debating this.

    You guys think the Oilers haven’t sucked for a long time? You guys think management doesn’t suck?

    Wow.

  62. stevezie says:

    godot10: It is better to overpay a little bit for the player you really want, than to just take what is on offer.The Oilers hit the ask to get the player they wanted.The price involved was relatively low.So I’m not going to fret about it.The Hockey News just game out with a piece saying that this year’s draft isn’t as deep as first thought.The Oilers kept their 2 2nd rounders, the picks that actually matter.

    Yes, but is the difference between Smithson and Comeau that great? I’m not trying to insult Smithson, he addresses a need and seems passable for what he is, but there is nothing about him that screams “ignore all other options this is the guy!”

    It’s not a big deal to trade a 4th when you could have traded a fifth, but it is a big deal to be consistently overpaying for unremarkable players.

    This trade also serves to salt an old wound- why wasn’t this trade made when Horc got hurt? That stretch cost us the playoffs (or will, I pessimistically predict. CBS is suddenly looking legit.)

  63. Kris11 says:

    FPB94,

    Yeah, I’d say Feaster made the mistake of holding Iginla too long and that is killing the Flames now.

    I just don’t remember any of the excellent commenters here saying anything so hyperbolic about Feaster.

    Generally, the smart people have been quite rightly willing to point out that the Flames have had better management though imperfect) than the Oilers for a long time.

    I’d say that how Feaster approached the aging Flames last year was pretty questionable, and I don’t remember any of the smart posters saying he was doing a great job.

    Usually the Statzis think the GM’s of low budget teams that do okay like Phoenix or Nashville are the best GMs around.

  64. stevezie says:

    cabbiesmacker: Oh, I’ll take that bet.

    If his place ever even sees so much as a spark they’ll be evacuating 1/2 of Edmonton.

    I have seen his place, and I assure you he could run profitable bar out of it for some time without risk of going dry.

  65. Woodguy says:

    Kris11:
    “t really seems like the quality of the commenter driven content on the blog is starting to degrade. Lowetide has had to step in more than a few times recently to start deleting posts and he even had an actual thread on such an issue. LT’s is starting to turn into a sub-section of HF boards.

    People taking such extreme positions on what is really very small moves marginalizes them and the forum from a reasonable and mature discussion. I think people need to start trying to model their posts after LT himself, the reason people enjoy coming here and reading his articles is they are well thought out and considerate of all the different angles to the topic. Imagine what this place would be like if LT reacted so strongly one way or another throughout the season?”

    Were you around in the olden days, when the comments page was great?

    The comment sections here used to be better only because JW, Derek Zona, Vic, and Tyler (anda few others who were good like H-Bomb, PDO, the COI guys, Dennis, RiversQ, Golden Child, etc.) were all super smart posters who posted frequently, often with stats driven arguments over really minor stuff.

    But always, always the best discussions were about small bore stuff. And always people were aggressively disputing pretty minor things like who should be in the lineup, minor trades, line matching, whether a cap hit was a little too high, etc.

    Truthfully, nothing in hockey matters. If Tambellini drafted Murray instead of Yak, it’s just hockey. Who knows, maybe it is the right pick. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

    But this is a hockey blog. We fight about whether Schremp deserves another game in the lineup or whether Horc’s deal is 1MM too high or .5MM to high. This is all really small stuff, but it adds up in the aggregate. The Oilers couldn’t graba player like Jussi Jokinen because they hit 50 contracts too quickly after wasting slots on Eager and Hordichuk. Those two signings hurt the team. Death by a thousand cuts, as they say.

    Moreover, if you had been here when the great commenters were here, you would’ve seen all of them arguing that a bunch of little bad moves by Tambellini or Lowe are killing the team (worst in hockey for a long time). Not one of those guys would agree with your analysis or your call for civility, IMO.

    Well put sir.

    I hung around here not only because of LT, but because I learned a ton from those posters.

    Like all forums, posters drift away etc., and things change.

    Its still an amazing place to talk hockey,but its different now. Good and bad, its just evolution.

    It gets tiring when people tell you to “put down the calculator and watch the games”, when many fancystats have a solid history of results and tons of guys doing regression analysis to show correlation, but you take the good with the bad.

    There’s much less mathy discussions not only because mathy posters don’t come around as much, but because the math is settled now and not “new”

    I think I’m considered a “mathy” poster and I don’t measure up to most you mentioned.

    Time passes, thing change.

    That and TDD threads are what they are.

  66. Kris11 says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Cabbie,

    Do you not think the information and argument that JW, Tyler, Vic, and Scott Reynolds brought here was way better than anything else we’ve been reading. Surely, even if you disagreed with some of their conclusions, you respected how smart and how hard they worked and how much they contributed.

    Shoot, I learned a lot from those guys, and they put in actual work to understand the game instead of just spouting off opinion about what they saw, anecdotally.

    Respect.

  67. Kris11 says:

    Woodguy,

    Thanks Woodguy.

    I’d have put you in the list as a great commenter, and someone I’ve learned from, but IIRC, you’re a relatively late comer. I think even I was here as a commenter before you, and I was just a lurker in the olden days.

    I’ve been wanting to ask you if you think a solid Poker player with some hockey knowledge and a business background would make a great GM. Somehow, the strategic thinking, the probabilistic reasoning, the high stakes, seem like a perfect training for a good GM. To me anyway. What do you think?

  68. Lowetide says:

    kris and WG explained it beautifully. This blog isn’t perfect God knows but each new person brings a unique perspective. I ask veteran posters for patience and new ones to join in when ready and be prepared to defend their opinions.

    I miss all of the old posters while also thorooughly enjoying the new ones. Picking between the two is like choosing between friends. Why would I do that?

    It’s been an education, and that’s all I’ve ever asked.

  69. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    Clarence Oveur,

    i’m thrilled that Labatt 50 is available in draft.

    I need to get back to Ottawa soon.

    Did you ever hang out at the Laff and drink 50 by the quart? I miss the guy with the ‘Sinners’ sign.

  70. stevezie says:

    Are we done with this thread? Because I’d really like to know how CBS’ late charge affects the legacy of Scott Howson (throw in Coutourier’s sophmore slump in thee if you like, but I wouldn’t).

    i would argue he suddenly doesn’t look so bad. His team’s achilles was always terrible, terrible goaltending, and he addressed before being fired.

  71. stevezie says:

    Kris11: Not one of those guys would agree with your analysis or your call for civility, IMO.

    Speaking only for H-bomb, he is not civil. He is a maniac. It is the heart of his charm.

  72. bookje says:

    Kris11:
    bookje,

    It is objectively true that the management sucks, which is why the team has sucked in the objective category of wins and losses for so long.

    The defense of Tambellini is reminding me a lot of some defenses of Lowe that some folks are still embarrassed about in restrospect.

    Regardless of the overall management situation, each move should be evaluated on its own. If someone finds EVERY move made by management as ‘horrible’ (including keeping NK over AHL backup Danis) than its no longer useful.

  73. Lowetide says:

    stevezie: Speaking only for H-bomb, he is not civil. He is a maniac. It is the heart of his charm.

    HBomb is singlehandedly responsible for more hangovers than Molson.

  74. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    “It’s been an education, and that’s all I’ve ever asked.”

    Lowetide,

    ~ Then Oilers management will never disappoint. ~

  75. CrazyCoach says:

    As someone who was squarely in the “saw him good” camp for years due to coaching etc., I can say that I have learned tremendously from the stats guys in here. So much so that I would be so bold as to say that the stats guy at my Advanced Level 1 certification clinic many years ago, held a PhD in stats and he didn’t hold my interest as much as someone like Woodguy, Dennis King, and many others.

    I know that when I’m asked to write about certain prospects who find themselves here in hockey purgatory (Prince George), I now generally go with not only pen and paper, but shift charts that measure Corsi (still learning), zone starts, playing against the other teams top guys, etc.

    I know that when I go back to coaching, I will have gained some new knowledge that I never had before, and for that I am thankful.

    That’s why I keep coming back here, because I consider myself a student of the game and I want to learn more and more.

  76. OilClog says:

    I’m slowly beginning to see all of this has been a drunken bet between Lowe and Tambo in a barn somewhere.

    Tambo ” Hey Kev, if I get this quarter in your drink, you hire me and I run things my way, slowly, extra well calculated, and then ran by my friend, Steve”

    Lowe “Oh little Stevie you’re always coming up with these hair brain ideas when we’re drinking hard bar, why would I do this? what do I gain out of this?”

    Tambo “Well if after 7 seasons I haven’t won a cup, you can tell me all your glorious tales from the 80′s and early 90′s while paying 3 midgets to tickle me with large feathers while everyone here gathers around and watches! Brian loves this kinda of stuff!”

    Brian “WHAT?!? rabble rabble rabble, put your dukes up!”

    Lowe “I’ll cut your forehead with my finger cups!”

    Tambo “OoOoOo Shiny”

    Lowe “I’ll be right back, I have a flight to catch with a buttload of money to get turned down with!”

    and so on and so forth the tale goes

  77. FastOil says:

    If we start next season with this roster I am certain my head will explode.

  78. Yakupov me says:

    I wonder if Hemsky for Forsberg was ever discussed? Forsberg is no sure thing but he plays the same position and could have been a long term fit.

  79. Kris11 says:

    bookje,

    Disagree Bookpe.

    It would be a problem if someone argued that a trade was bad because Tambellini made the trade.

    But there may be GM’s, where all of their trades are bad or, at best, average. (See: Milbury, Mike.)

    Anyway, I didn’t argue everything Tambellini has done is bad. The Smid deal is fine. Keeping Hemsky was wise.

    But in the aggregate, almost everything Tambellini has done in trades and signings is either bad or pretty average )am excluding RFA signings)

    Awful:

    The Khabi Signing (Amongst worst big signings post-lockout)
    Trading Gilbert for Schultz (awful, awful trade)
    Trading Cole for POS (maybe this is just very “bad”)
    The Vishnovsky Trade (Didn’t do or ignored due diligence on Whitney’s foot and media knew)
    Dany. Heatley. Debaucle.

    Bad:

    Trading a 4th for Mike Brown
    The Brodziak trade (awful outcome)
    Signing Eager
    Signing Hordichuk
    The Souray Incident
    The Omark Incident
    The Potter Contract
    The Jones Contract

    Average

    The Smithson trade (slight overpay)
    Trading a 3rd for Fistric
    Trading Cogliano for a 2nd
    Trading Foster for Sutton
    Trading Fraser for Smyth (Smyth demanded to come here)
    The Penner Trade
    The Riley Nash trade
    The original Fraser trade
    The Grebeshkov Trade
    The Kotalik deal
    Signing Petrell (sucky player, but could’ve worked)
    The Comrie and Foster Signings
    The Belanger signing
    The Smyth contract (most recent)
    The Hemsky contract (most recent)
    The Schultz Signing (All luck)

    Good:

    Trading POS for anything
    Trading Staios for anything

    That’s not even evaluating Dithers for all the things that he has failed to do. Just the stupid things he has.

    NB: The good things are dumping some bad contracts, one of which he acquired.

    The Staios deal was good, though.

  80. Woodguy says:

    Kris11:
    Woodguy,

    Thanks Woodguy.

    I’d have put you in the list as a great commenter, and someone I’ve learned from, but IIRC, you’re a relatively late comer. I think even I was here as a commenter before you, and I was just a lurker in the olden days.

    I’ve been wanting to ask you if you think a solid Poker player with some hockey knowledge and a business background would make a great GM. Somehow, the strategic thinking, the probabilistic reasoning, the high stakes, seem like a perfect training for a good GM. To me anyway. What do you think?

    I lurked for a while, but as is my wont, jumped in quickly.

    I am a new comer to LT’s place.

    As for:

    “solid Poker player with some hockey knowledge and a business background would make a great GM. Somehow, the strategic thinking, the probabilistic reasoning, the high stakes, seem like a perfect training for a good GM. To me anyway. What do you think?”

    I think you nail it.

    It pretty much describes me, so I’m slightly biased.

  81. Woodguy says:

    bookje: Did you ever hang out at the Laff and drink 50 by the quart?I miss the guy with the ‘Sinners’ sign.

    Laff?

    Is that in Ottawa? I never lived there.

    I used to travel there about 4 times a year on business for 10 years, but that’s done now.

    Love Ottawa.

  82. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    The Hotel Lafayette is the ‘old hotel’ kind of like the Strat in Edmonton. I was in Ottawa for my Masters in the late 90s. It was a great place that served quarts of 50 for cheap and on the weekends there was a religeous protester who used to come and stand outside of the window about every hour (he circled the district) with a sign pretty much like this one and the whole bar would read it in unison. “Repent – Fornicators, homosexuals, drug users, liars, masterbaters, etc…..” The sign was a full 4×8′ sheet of coroplast. Anyway, I don’t know if it still has the same character or if the same protester still comes around, but it was a great hangout for 2 years of university.

  83. asiaoil says:

    Well you’ve got a 4 headed monster on Kingsway now and you have to ask the question during a season where nothing much happens. “what the hell are they all doing?” Basically you’ve got 4 GMs and zero productive results. Mr. Katz these guys are stealing your money and must be watching video porn all day – they sure as hell are not improving the club in any meaningful way.

    All the excuse makers have this to answer – it’s true that good teams are not built overnight and it takes patience. But it also take a lot of moves – many small – that improve talent, depth, flexibility & cap space. Oiler mgmt has made moves – but by far the majority have been flat out bad or mediocre – and these moves have not improved talent, depth, flexibility & cap space.

    If you take away the three #1 picks which represent a prize to the worst management in the league every year what have you got? That’s this mgmt team’s legacy……

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