TRADE DEADLINE 2013

I’ve written more words about the blue than anything else on this blog, and when it comes to the Oilers the river leads to an ocean. The news is better this spring, with Justin Schultz and his tremendous skill added to Smid-Petry and the rest. If we’re playing along at home and waiting for a Coffey-Huddy-Lowe-Gregg-Fogolin-Jackson complete set, I’ll suggest we’re at about 50% (Smid-Petry-Schultz the younger) with a lot of Gary Lariviere’s and Rick Chartraw’s hanging around.

The Oilers may have a chance at the deadline to add a reasonable fourth to the group.

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The Oilers have been looking up for so long it’s hard to remember the last player acquired as a rental (no it isn’t–the answer is Ales Kotalik). Here’s my quick hit list:

  1. D Mark Streit-A great match for need, and maybe they can sign him to an extension.
  2. L Curtis Glencross-He’d come at a dear price, but is a nice fit for the team’s needs and he’s a rugged bugger.
  3. R Drew Stafford-The Oiler connection is often mentioned, but he’s a good player.
  4. L RJ Umberger-Has plenty of skill and the size Oiler management apparently values like gold.
  5. D Keith Yandle-Supremely talented, but a major cap hit and he’ll cost the sun, moon and stars in trade.
  6. L Raffi Torres-He floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee.
  7. G Ben Bishop-Apparently someone has offered a first round pick, so he’ll be too dear.
  8. C Boyd Gordon: The Other John has convinced me. Jim Dowd walks among us!
  9. D Dmitry Kulikov: Young D apparently available, a perfect fit.

And my list of possible assets out:

  1. 2013 2nd round pick (ANA)
  2. Ladislav Smid (UFA): Edmonton hasn’t signed him yet and that might mean there’s a gap between agent and team in terms of zero’s on the contract. Smid is going to get paid, the Oilers have to figure out if they want to be the team to pay him. Signed
  3. Ryan Whitney (UFA): Defensemen always have increased value at the deadline.
  4. Mark Fistric (UFA): I doubt the club would get less than the pick they gave up for him (3rd rd pick).
  5. Ryan Jones (UFA): He’s coming off an eye injury, but his wheels are fine. An NHL team might want to increase their offense in the bottom 6F and have a guy who isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty, either.
  6. Nikolai Khabibulin (UFA): Will the Oilers re-sign him?
  7. Ales Hemsky (UFA 2014): The Oilers were not getting strong offers for him a year ago (the rumored return was a 2nd and a 4th from Nashville).
  8. Ben Eager (UFA 2014): One year left at $1.1M and the concussion issues are a concern. Plus he’s been on waivers.
  9. Eric Belanger (UFA 2014): Makes $1.75M and might fill a need for a 4line C, faceoff guy and penalty killer. Injured.
  10. D Theo Peckham (RFA 2013): Forgotten man among the Oilers, but he’s a defenseman with NHL experience and that has value.

I’ll update as I can today, please post any deals in the comments and I’ll do a wrap for the GDT later today.

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  1. Kris11 says:

    Clarence Oveur:
    The Oilers have traded a 3rd rounder and two 4th rounders for: Mark Fistric, Mike Brown, and Jerred Smithson.

    Pathetic.

    Worse than that: They traded a 3rd, a decent prospect in Rieder, and two 4ths for:

    Brown, Fistric, Smithson, and Kessy

    And they failed to solve the Oiler’s most fundamental key problem, which is lack of a top 4 Dman, focusing instead on making the bottom half of the lineup “tougher.”

    I would have traded all those picks and prospects and Whitney for a second round pick, then packaged that 2nd with our first to trade up to a first and second for a real defenseman. That is still bad tqarading, but it is better than what Tambellini did (wasting ELC’s too)

    Had we had a better top 4, the crappiness of the 4th line of Eager, Jones, etc., wouldn’t matter much for wins and losses.

  2. Ribs says:

    Jeebus. Ottawa now with Conacher, Silfverberg, and Wiercioch with no rebuild tank job.

  3. Bag of Pucks says:

    Tomorrow’s Hockey Headline in the Sun?

    Smithson Clan Adds Newest Whiny Baby to Oiler Fanbase

  4. mustang says:

    Why all the whining sounds like a bunch of little girls in here. WOW a fourth round pick for Smithson…the world is ending

  5. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Clarence Oveur,

    You do understand that “28th trade” and the notion that the Flyers and Oilers would be the 29th and 30th teams to claim the guy were satire. Carry on with your “all season” hyperbole. It must be important.

  6. bookje says:

    Clarence Oveur:
    bookje,

    You do understand that Adam Hall was on previously on waivers this season, prior to today, yes?

    Once, I believe – however, not ‘all season’ as you indicated. Your comments didn’t seem to reflect that you understood how waivers worked.

    In any case, my concern is more about the Oilers running up against the 50 contract limit than it is about a 4th round pick. Clearly there was something that the Oilers liked about Smithson vs Hall that led them to be willing to part with a 4th round pick. I am fine with that.

  7. delooper says:

    Ribs:
    Jeebus. Ottawa now with Conacher, Silfverberg, and Wiercioch with no rebuild tank job.

    That seems to come out from nowhere. Ottawa doesn’t need to rebuild because they were never broken. We seem to be having a little bit of Edmonton bi-polar spaz attack going on this trade deadline.

  8. Clarence Oveur says:

    delooper,

    Judging by the remarks of Bob Stauffer, the Oilers have been seeking another skater with size and faceoff ability for a while. They had someone available on waivers, someone who has those two things plus a history of playing a strong defensive game. They passed on him. Why? It makes little sense.

  9. Clarence Oveur says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴,

    He was available on waivers prior to all of this going down. My hyperbole aside, that fact isn’t changing.

  10. delooper says:

    Clarence Oveur:
    Judging by the remarks of Bob Stauffer, the Oilers have been seeking another skater with size and faceoff ability for a while.They had someone available on waivers, someone who has those two things plus a history of playing a strong defensive game.They passed on him.Why?It makes little sense.

    That’s a fairly hyperbolic comment on your part. On a literal level there’s no way for us to know if it makes sense because we’re not part of the internal dialogue the Oilers management is having. A baby crying sometimes makes no sense to the parents, but there’s likely a reason it’s happening. Just because you don’t know the reason, it just means it makes no sense *to you*.

  11. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    delooper: In a season where the Oilers go from last place to middle of the pack — a **GIANT** leap forward — you’re saying their priority is losing? You need to get outside occasionally.

    what was their priority then when Horcov, Belanger and Lander went down and they spent a 3rd on Brown and put in a claim on Volpatti?

    doesn’t look like they were trying to win, or at least that they have a functional definition of winning.

  12. asiaoil says:

    Lowetide:
    Smithson’s CorsiRel is about where we’d expect it to be based on his zone start. Clearly not Boyd Gordon, but imo the club needed to address need and didn’t give up a lot.

    Now, adding a blue and dumping Ryan Jones are still “to do” and of course they want their mister man PF, but Smithson addressed a need and didn’t cost a lot.

    What did we expect for the 4C?

    The question is how much better Smithson is than Hall – answer – not a lot. It’s not the player and asset sent the other way – both are minor – it’s the on-going complete lack of asset management and sophistication by this bunch. Honestly the more 4th line management they add – the worse they get.

  13. FastOil says:

    delooper: And you realize the Oilers likely had other priorities at the time?

    I know, multitasking is HARD ;)

  14. Gerta Rauss says:

    Clarence Oveur,

    I’ve already mentioned a plausible explanation-Dekyser was still out there and available the first time Hall was waived(Mar16) and the Oilers needed to keep a contract spot available if he decided to come to Edmonton.

  15. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    lots of goalies flying around… hope we can dump Nik.

    apparently the Oil were in the running to get Bishop.

  16. Clarence Oveur says:

    delooper,

    Then tell me how it makes sense. I’m all ears.

  17. Bos8 says:

    He’s good size, hard worker, might stop a few cycles in the Edmonton end. Horcoff lost some ungodly amount of faceoffs against Calgary.

    Eureka! An honest hockey player. It’s all good.

  18. TheOtherJohn says:

    Lois

    The time to acquire a Smithson was when Horcoff and Belanger were out with injuries, not with 10-12 games to play. Beyond stupid. But we are not moving anyone else out because we are committed to giving kids a shot at playoffs.

    Where was that commitment 30 days ago?

    Bishop would have been a very nice bookend to Dubnyk

  19. asiaoil says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Clarence Oveur,

    I’ve already mentioned a plausible explanation-Dekyser was still out there and available and the Oilers needed to keep a contract spot available if he decided to come to Edmonton.

    …..and who knew that college free agents may be available in spring! Maybe if they had a god damn crystal ball they might not have loaded up the 50 man roster with crap like Abney. Excuses, excuses….

  20. Clarence Oveur says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    At least you provided a plausible explanation, however I do believe that a contract could have been moved via trade if room had to be made (Jones, Peckham, Fistric, take your pick).

    Not to mention, the Oilers gave Cameron frigging Abney an NHL contract. Again, asset management and player valuation is sorely lacking here.

  21. Clarence Oveur says:

    What I would give to listen in on those conversations between Tambo and Murray re: Bishop…wonder who was being offered up?

  22. Gerta Rauss says:

    Clarence Oveur,

    I’m not making excuses for this management team,I’m trying to talk you down off the ledge before you hurt yourself.

  23. rickithebear says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: still don’t understand why we didn’t move on STL to get him in the first place.Good asset mgt. by OTT

    Cause any GM worth there salt trades outside the Conference.
    So then you ask;
    Would you give this years 1st for a back up goalie on our team.!

    This hindsite shit is laugh my ass off funny!

    Anderson does not go down bishop is not going to Tampa for Conacher! Simple fact!

    What do you think he would get for games here.

  24. jb says:

    This is officially one of the most pointless threads I’ve read on this blog… Just a bunch of whining and bitching really. Trading a 3rd, 4th, 4th for 3 Roster players that filled direct needs means we got 3 roster players for basically NOTHING! Get your head checked if your stressing about the incredible value that 3rd and 4th round picks bring…

    Guys sitting on the waiver wire are flawed players that most smart GM’s won’t touch with a ten foot pole. Wasn’t Jones pretty much the ultimate waiver wire pickup? Can you ask for any better? People here can see his flaws and want him gone. Why are other people’s waiver trash our answer?

    Fistric, Smithson and Brown are all known roster players, you don’t find these guys on the damaged player wire.

  25. cabbiesmacker says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Lois

    Bishop would have been a very nice bookend to Dubnyk

    Which prospect with as much buzz around him as Cory Conacher were you giving up John?

    Had a look at the rookie scoring stats lately?

  26. Clarence Oveur says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    You might say I’m not a fan of the men in charge…

    I need a beer.

  27. cabbiesmacker says:

    Clarence Oveur:
    What I would give to listen in on those conversations between Tambo and Murray re: Bishop…wonder who was being offered up?

    Who is nobody Ottawa liked as much as Conacher Alex?

  28. Kris11 says:

    Just be glad we aren’t Calgary.

    They will get nothing for Kiprusoff, and he might play well enough to keep them out of the bottom 3 lottery picks, which hurts a lot.

    Go back two years for the Flames. Suppose someone had offered the following trade:

    Iginla, Kiprusoff, and Bowmeester (a trio of elite players) for 2 late first rounders and 4 middling to below average prospects. Had I suggested it, you’d have laughed at me, rightly. Such a deal would’ve destroyed the Flames, you’d say.

    Well, that’s what they got.

    As you age, you can keep some of your players, but if you aren’t bringing in enough new young talent through development, you need to move older star players for proven young talent (not just picks) over time, or else.

    “Homer, I told you to sell your pumpkin futures before Halloween, you knuckle head.”

  29. Gerta Rauss says:

    Clarence Oveur,

    I’m buying.

  30. DBO says:

    wow. looks like Gaborik to Columbus Blue Jackets. Holy hell.

    And looks like Pominville to Minnesota for Larsson and Hackett

    All from TSn broadcast

  31. Captain Obvious says:

    The trade market is highly irrational with some very clear steals. The key for a GM is to never make a trade because he has to and then wait for the steals.

  32. HiddenDarts says:

    According to TSN’s Scott Cullen:

    Best Corsi among Hurricanes forwards this year? Jussi Jokinen.

    Thanks, Scott. You’re a beauty.

    Sure glad the Oil couldn’t swing that steep conditional pick.

  33. Kris11 says:

    Yeah, the Oilers couldn’t and shouldn’t have paid as much as Trading a Conacher for Bishop.

    They have Dubnyk. They need another goalie, but a Conacher is a herty price.

    When Toronto grabs a goalie (offseason now, I guess), I might try to grab one of their guys as a backup for cheap.

  34. Clarence Oveur says:

    jb,

    That’s a fair point about roster players…however, I think better players were available for less in terms of what the Oilers gave up for Smithson. Brown at least has a year left on his contract in his acquisition.

    It’s all academic here, believe me I understand that. I sincerely hope Smithson is an upgrade and that I’m made to look like a fool for arguing against using a 4th rounder to acquire him.

  35. DBO says:

    Brassard, Dorsett and Moore for Gaborik.

    Go get Boyle Tambo!!!!!!!!!!!!

  36. Ribs says:

    Philadelphia trades for Mason. Haha damn, they’ll just never learn, will they?

  37. Bos8 says:

    Prior to the miracle in St Louis the Oilers were staring bottom five in the face. Now they’re sniffing playoffs – a totally different set of parameters. Then, trading Whitney at the deadline made sense, now trading Whitney could really hurt the team psyche. ie “took away our chance”.

    There is more involved than counters. There is a team bond that has suffered a lot of adversity. Tricky messing with that.

  38. Clarence Oveur says:

    Gaborik to Columbus…

    There’s no way this can backfire, right?…

  39. wordbird says:

    Hackett to Buffalo means Miller out? if not today, at the draft?

  40. TheOtherJohn says:

    You mean the 23 year old rookie Cory Conacher that is 5’8″ and 170 lbs and same age as Sam Gagner. That Cory Conacher? You get that there are a ton of players that put up real good minutes with TB……. Kurtis Foster 71 8 34 42 pts

  41. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    “Brassard, Dorsett and Moore for Gaborik”.

    DBO,

    3 for 1!

  42. Showerhead says:

    The good:
    1) Edmonton is, technically, a better team (by some small margin) now than they were before his trade.
    2) Smithson moves the puck in the right direction when he’s on the ice. He’s done this each and every season.
    3) He wins faceoffs, is RH, and is healthier than Eric Belanger.

    The bad:
    1) The 4th is an overpay.
    2) Some say Smithson has lost a step. Instead of a zonestart in the 30′s, this season he’s a 48%. He still moves the puck in the right direction but as much as he used to.
    3) We, as fans, freak out when EDM overpays for 7′s and 8′s because we know they need to add a 10 or J on defense and we have no reason to think MGMT will get that done without ruining a lot of things.
    4) ***Edit to add*** How could I forget? Offensively, he’s a black hole.

    The neutral:
    1) He’s cheap
    2) He’s a UFA.

  43. Bag of Pucks says:

    I would think Bishop for Conacher sets the hindsight admission price for the Oil at PRV for Bishop.

    All in favour of the Oil NOT doing that deal.

    Sometimes the dithering pays off. When it comes to pulling the trigger, Tambi is the opposite of a premature ejaculator!

  44. VanOil says:

    jb:
    This is officially one of the most pointless threads I’ve read on this blog…

    Your mistake is reading. Your just supposed to look at the pictures. I heard no complaints and lots of insight.

  45. Captain Obvious says:

    Gaborik deal is crazy.

    Add the Nash and Gaborik deals together and this is a massive steal for the Blue Jackets. The Rangers have destroyed their team with two trades.

    Yet, the Blue Jackets are the same team that ruined their team with the back to back Carter deals.

    My conclusion: NHL general managers are in a race to the bottom of stupidity. There is always someone out there more stupid than you. Hell, Tambo and crew seem pretty good to me right now.

  46. TheOtherJohn says:

    No way I trade MPS for Bishop. Not a chance

  47. bookje says:

    Bos8:
    Prior to the miracle in St Louis the Oilers were staring bottom five in the face.Now they’re sniffing playoffs – a totally different set of parameters.Then, trading Whitney at the deadline made sense, now trading Whitney could really hurt the team psyche.ie“took away our chance”.

    There is more involved than counters.There is a team bond that has suffered a lot of adversity.Tricky messing with that.

    There is also the potential impact on FAs available over the summer.

  48. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Wild get F Jason Pominville from Sabres for G Matt Hackett and F Johan Larsson

    Miller on the move?

  49. Clarence Oveur says:

    If Tambo’s dithering resulted in him saying no to a hypothetical MPS for Bishop swap, I applaud said dithering.

  50. Showerhead says:

    One thing I will add as frustrating is that Edmonton is focusing an awful lot of effort on marginal improvements to the 4th line. We know this to have very little effect on championship building. Edmonton was also in the trade market for Bishop. I get that he can play (probably), but average goaltenders are available to sign each and every year. We know this, and we know that spending assets for a backup is a waste with respect to championship building. Also, Dubnyk can play!

    The Edmonton Oilers know none of these things.

  51. Bos8 says:

    Another good reason for Smithson. He can stare Big Joe in the face, instead of his belly button.

    Positive results.

  52. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    I am fine with the Smithson trade in and of itself, but it leaves so many questions. Why now, and not when we really needed him? Why trade a 4th instead fo claiming Hall? Or trading Tampa a 7th for Hall (in case some haven’t noticed, Hall was waived again by Tampa but picked up by Philly)? Maybe Smithson is better than Hall, but by how much? Why is Smithson worth a 4th now when he went to Florida for a 6th and only got older?

    Why do we still have eight defencemen?

    I’m not furious, in fact I am happy they got an NHL player, but I am a little confused.

  53. Clarence Oveur says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴,

    Immediate thoughts of Rick Jeanneret:

    “OHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYY, RYAN MILLERRRRR”

  54. Ribs says:

    delooper: That seems to come out from nowhere.Ottawa doesn’t need to rebuild because they were never broken.We seem to be having a little bit of Edmonton bi-polar spaz attack going on this trade deadline.

    I’m not complaining, I’m just impressed by the spectacular run that Ottawa’s procurement department has been on lately.

  55. TheOtherJohn says:

    Comeau would have been a very nice acquisition for playoffs

  56. Reg Dunlop says:

    Rangers RAPE Columbus. Too bad we couldn’t have arrived first and unloaded Hemsky plus for Moore, Dorsett and Brassard.

  57. regwald says:

    Tencer just tweeted that Stauffer claims the Oilers are done.

    Wow, underwhelming. I guess the team gets to push forward as is.

  58. russ99 says:

    Reg Dunlop,

    Exactly, this totally sets the market for Hemsky. If we can get that kind of haul, I’d be less heartbroken if we did move him.

  59. russ99 says:

    Hope the Oil isn’t done – need to offload here…

  60. Captain Obvious says:

    Reg Dunlop:
    Rangers RAPE Columbus. Too bad we couldn’t havearrived first and unloaded Hemsky plus for Moore, Dorsett and Brassard.

    Is this sarcasm? The Gaborik deal is horrible for the Rangers on every level. Combine it with the Clowe deal and we are watching a team commit sepuku before our eyes.

  61. Clarence Oveur says:

    So Smithson apparently won’t join the team until the weekend due to the birth of his child. Legitimate reason, but I have to ask why the Oilers acquired someone who they’ve had their eye on and who won’t be available for two games?

  62. icecastles says:

    Luongo just pulled of the ice during practice in Vancouver. Something’s obviously brewing!

    Edit: Never mind.

  63. spoiler says:

    dessert1111: I guess, but if he is an upgrade on our current 4C (he may or may not be — I know nothing about the player, but I know Belanger likely hurts the team more than helps), and we are only giving up a tiny chance of getting even a fringe NHL player, is it worth getting upset over? So what if the pick was a 5th round instead? They likely see something in this player that they didn’t see in a guy like Adam Hall, and the difference between these guys is likely so minimal, it’s splitting hairs either way.There are a million things to get mad at this management for, but this isn’t one of them imo…I prefer to look at the bright side, that at least they are doing something small without giving up much/anything to show they are taking a playoff push seriously. It’s all I really want from them at this point in the year. I would prefer if they would sell guys like Ryan Whitney, but if they don’t, it’s not a huge deal — again, it shows they are serious about not tanking, which is a nice change.

    No, no, no… Let Romulus go ALL EMO! He’s cracking me up here at my desk. It’s like HF Boards moved to LT’s house.

  64. VanOil says:

    Ribs:impressed by the spectacular run that Ottawa’s procurement department has been on lately.

    Ottawa fans should be very happy with the present and the future. Crazy to say this but I am glad Columbus will not be competing with us for playoff spots in the years to come. Hopefully they struggle to mesh this year.

  65. cabbiesmacker says:

    stevezie:
    Lowetide,

    I am fine with the Smithson trade in and of itself, but it leaves so many questions. Why now, and not when we really needed him? Why trade a 4th instead fo claiming Hall? Or trading Tampa a 7th for Hall (in case some haven’t noticed, Hall was waived again by Tampa but picked up by Philly)?

    I’m not furious, in fact I am happy they got an NHL player, but I am a little confused.

    I think you answered your own question Stevezie. Hall’s a bum? The guys had more addresses than the Unibomber the past while. I wonder why?

    Hall is also not a center and not that Smyth is putrid but this is a better team without him at 4C than with him.

    I’m quite happy that the Oilers are putting less value on distant draft picks vs players actually. WTF is a 4th anyways? Mediocre Bastard Stu can’t even get a second rounder right.

    Be nice if they could have offloaded some of the trash contracts in OK instead but whatevvah.

  66. jb says:

    regwald:
    Tencer just tweeted that Stauffer claims the Oilers are done.

    Wow, underwhelming. I guess the team gets to push forward as is.

    with 2 min to go till the deadline? Oh that Stauffer’s good, he just might get something right here.

  67. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wow, if this is the reaction for a 4>6 round pick overpay for Smithson, hate to see the reaction later today when Tambi trades Yakupov for Luongo.

  68. cabbiesmacker says:

    icecastles:
    Luongo just pulled of the ice during practice in Vancouver. Something’s obviously brewing!

    Starbucks?

  69. Bos8 says:

    bookje: There is also the potential impact on FAs available over the summer.

    Yeah, there will be a lot of cap maneuvering this summer. Personally, I’d prefer the Oilers to make moves then. The situation now is too volatile.

    El Bomba will be spending three weeks here, shortly. I’m sure he’ll have a few practices with the team. I’ve been very high on him from what I’ve seen. If he’s the goods, then a couple of years down the road the Oilers have an excellent top four with no need to panic.

    These last few games have been very heartening, as far as team development. A lot less wishcasting.

  70. delooper says:

    Ribs: I’m not complaining, I’m just impressed by the spectacular run that Ottawa’s procurement department has been on lately.

    Teams don’t have spectacular runs all the time. Edmonton has had a lot of magic in the past, and some of it not very distant, like the Pronger and Schultz signings. So many people here expect 24-7 all-you-can-eat magic, a team that never loses a game, perennial Stanley Cups. That’s not realistic. There’s still plenty of teams that have never won a Stanley Cup. It looks like the Oilers made a decent small move this deadline. IMO it makes sense. Exactly where this team is going is up in the air, and they don’t want to trade any of their prime assets for questionable return.

  71. fuzzy muppet says:

    This cements it for me: Tambo must go. How is Smithson an upgrade on what they have?? 1 goal….ONE. Why not just claim Hall?? Why not move out the FA’s to be??

    This is the worst management in the NHL…I think I’d rather have Feaster

  72. CrazyCoach says:

    icecastles: Luongo just pulled of the ice during practice in Vancouver. Something’s obviously brewing!

    He might be out having a crap. I think he set precedent with that a few years ago in the playoffs.

  73. delooper says:

    Clarence Oveur:
    So Smithson apparently won’t join the team until the weekend due to the birth of his child.Legitimate reason, but I have to ask why the Oilers acquired someone who they’ve had their eye on and who won’t be available for two games?

    And what are in those vapour trails up in the sky? What nefarious seedlings is NASA putting in my drinking water??

    Relax people!

  74. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler: No, no, no… Let Romulus go ALL EMO!He’s cracking me up here at my desk.It’s like HF Boards moved to LT’s house.

    Rod Beck!

  75. DBO says:

    Torres goes to San Jose for a 3rd. TSN saying no Luongo trade as far as they know.

  76. fuzzy muppet says:

    SJ gets torres for a third and this dumbass management get smithson for a 4th…

  77. Kris11 says:

    delooper: Teams don’t have spectacular runs all the time.Edmonton has had a lot of magic in the past, and some of it not very distant, like the Pronger and Schultz signings. So many people here expect 24-7 all-you-can-eat magic, a team that never loses a game, perennial Stanley Cups.That’s not realistic.There’s still plenty of teams that have never won a Stanley Cup.It looks like the Oilers made a decent small move this deadline.IMO it makes sense.Exactly where this team is going is up in the air, and they don’t want to trade any of their prime assets for questionable return.

    I expect not missing the playoffs 90% of the time over a decade.

    Or if that happens, I expect firing the management.

    Strong, strong contender for worst team in NHL hockey for a decade.

    Plausible contender for worst team in NA pro sports for a decade.

  78. Clarence Oveur says:

    delooper,

    I asked a legitimate question. You acquire someone and he’s not going to be available for two games. Those two games matter, in case you haven’t been watching.

  79. Kris11 says:

    Without the cup run (which was so lucky, as we all know), this is hands down, the worst team in hockey for a decade.

  80. fuzzy muppet says:

    Jokinen for a 6th and Carolina eats part of the $…DOes anyone still think that Smithson for a 4th is a GOOD trade.

    Awful…

  81. nelson88 says:

    fuzzy muppet: SJ gets torres for a third and this dumbass management get smithson for a 4th…

    i’d rather have Smithson. Much bigger need for the club and Torres game has been neutred. We already have a winger who skates like a madman in all directions (often meaninglessly) and is a “streaky” scorer. His name is Ryan Jones

  82. Bos8 says:

    In case anyone missed it. There was a post on the HF boards from Sweden. In an interview, Klefbom advised that he would be in Edmonton for three weeks arriving April 07. He mentioned that he might even play a little, but I would discount that as too risky.

  83. Kris11 says:

    That Columbus deal is strange.

    NYR are just going to bring in and send out big-ticket players forever, aren’t they.

  84. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    SJ gets torres for a third and this dumbass management get smithson for a 4th…

    and Brown for a 4th! (conditionally a 3rd). who could possibly spoil this amazing streak of mgt?!

  85. cabbiesmacker says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    You mean the 23 year old rookie Cory Conacher that is 5’8″ and 170 lbs and same age as Sam Gagner. That Cory Conacher? You get that there are a ton of players that put up real good minutes with TB……. Kurtis Foster 71 8 34 42 pts

    Well that’s it then John. Conacher sucks.

    You didn’t answer my question. Which player with as much buzz around him should the Oilers have moved John? MPS? Yakupov?

    Conacher = AHL MVP last year no?

    And just to devalue Bishop a little??? Anderson has a roughly .955 SV in Ottawa. Lehner ball park .947. Bishop was a .922.

    Think it might be the system they play over there John? Do you honestly believe those THREE are that good?

    Hey maybe Bishop is a real nice piece. Who cares. We didn’t have a guy that we were willing to trade that Ottawa wanted in the deal. Shrug.

  86. Bos8 says:

    cabbiesmacker: Starbucks?

    Heh – a goody. Love bad puns.

    Any smartass can come up with a good pun. It takes a ‘ten degrees off’ mindset for bad puns.

  87. fuzzy muppet says:

    nelson88,

    Smithson is just a bigger Belanger. Why do they “need” that. You could get a guy like Smithson on waivers

  88. cabbiesmacker says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    This cements it for me:Tambo must go.How is Smithson an upgrade on what they have?? 1 goal….ONE.Why not just claim Hall??Why not move out the FA’s to be??

    This is the worst management in the NHL…I think I’d rather have Feaster

    Hehe. Hands fuzzy a loaded .357

  89. russ99 says:

    I like the Smithson move, it’s what they didn’t do is what makes me even more irked at Oilers brass.

    Like address our black hole at center WEEKS ago… Theres’ zero reason to keep Whitney around for 3 more weeks when you can sell him for solid assets. And with guys like Hannan, Jokinen, Sauve, Gaunce and Vincour being moved, we could have off-loaded at least some of our bottom six dead weight.

    At some time in the near future Daryl Katz is going to have to answer the question:
    Do you want to hang out with the Boys on the Bus or win hockey games?

  90. icecastles says:

    CrazyCoach: He might be out having a crap. I think he set precedent with that a few years ago in the playoffs.

    I remember that so well.

    He had been pulled off by the Canucks PR manager, but I guess it was just to tell him that the Toronto deal had fallen through.

    You know it’s an exciting deadline when the big news to cap off the deadline is that someone (who was unlikely to move) has not been traded. Sigh.

    At least the Flames will be down yet another player tonight. Thought they might have shedded another player or two today actually, but I suppose with so many teams still vying for 8th place, there aren’t going to be as many trades available. Damn you, parity!

  91. delooper says:

    Kris11: I expect not missing the playoffs 90% of the time over a decade.
    Or if that happens, I expect firing the management.
    Strong, strong contender for worst team in NHL hockey for a decade.
    Plausible contender for worst team in NA pro sports for a decade.

    That’s a pretty negative way to look at it. The Oilers were the last dynasty in NHL history. No team has come close to being as successful as them since they went on their big 80′s run. To top it off, they haven’t been the worst team in north america for a decade. Technically, just two years. With three other years where they were close to last. And a lot of middling to low years tossed in. There were some management errors, sure, but there were also some things that were pretty much unavoidable, like the lack of parity in the NHL before the new CBA, the exchange-rate, the Pronger trade request, blah blah blah. Come August Edmontonians will be giddy about the Oilers again and this bipolar cycle will repeat itself.

  92. cabbiesmacker says:

    Bos8: Heh – a goody.Love bad puns.

    So Principe is porn for you then then?
    :)

  93. fuzzy muppet says:

    Well now they report that Belanger “might” be moving, that changes things a bit.r

  94. Bos8 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    nelson88,

    Smithson is just a bigger Belanger. Why do they “need” that.You could get a guy like Smithson on waivers

    No, you don’t get players like Smithson on waivers.

    Someone mentioned Jones as the ultimate waiver pick up.

    ‘nough said

  95. Kris11 says:

    I don’t get the Canucks holding two goalies so long.

    No one will pay what they want (out of the teams who Luu will go to.)

    Holding Luongo is fine, but they could’e used that cap space they spend on him to bring in free agents in the last offseason to really put the club over the top.

    IMO, the Sedins and Kesler and Bieksa et. al could fade in a year or two. (Iginla faded long ago, IMO.) You have to maximize your chances at winning now with a core like that, and holding Luongo doesn’t maximize your chances.

  96. icecastles says:

    delooper: The Oilers were the last dynasty in NHL history. No team has come close to being as successful as them since they went on their big 80′s run.

    Detroit Red Wings.

    21 consecutive playoff appearances.
    1st in their division 11 of the last 14 years.
    4 Stanley Cups since 1997.
    6 appearances in Conference finals since 97.

    Not the 80′s Oilers, but I wouldn’t say it’s “not even close”.

  97. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Clarence Oveur,

    Tonight would have been tight for any player. Unless the player or team are the source would not rely on any guesswork that he’s not playing tomorrow.

  98. Reg Dunlop says:

    Captain Obvious,

    Sarcasm? Unloading a dressing room problem making 7.5 mil who is on the downside of his career for 3 young NHLers making, in total, less salary… a great deal for NY.

  99. Kris11 says:

    delooper: That’s a pretty negative way to look at it.The Oilers were the last dynasty in NHL history.No team has come close to being as successful as them since they went on their big 80′s run. To top it off, they haven’t been the worst team in north america for a decade.Technically, just two years.With three other years where they were close to last.And a lot of middling to low years tossed in. There were some management errors, sure, but there were also some things that were pretty much unavoidable, like the lack of parity in the NHL before the new CBA, the exchange-rate, the Pronger trade request, blah blah blah. Come August Edmontonians will be giddy about the Oilers again and this bipolar cycle will repeat itself.

    You’re off the deep end in suggesting the last 10 years aren’t some of the worst ever, except for one lucky playoff run. Which NHL teams are worse than the Oilers over the last 10 years. Maybe the Isles. (Who are strong contendersfor worst in Pro sports) Who else?

    Look at how low cap teams can do very well, like Nashville and, for a long time, Phoenix.

    Look at how teams depleted of talent can turn around quickly in Ottawa.

    The only reason the Oilers are on the verge of being good is that the NHL has a pity rule that allwos perenially bad teams, the worst teams in the league like the Oilers, to get the very best players coming in to the league.

    Tambellini has succeeded only in being so bad he has earned pity for over three years. And before that we were pitiable, too.

  100. Kris11 says:

    delooper,

    Also, defending the aoilers by talking about the 80′s Oilers is as sad as the Islanders doing the same.

    So too the Leafs. We used to haz Sittler!

  101. Bos8 says:

    cabbiesmacker: So Principe is porn for you then then?

    No, the guy cheats, they’re too labored. He’s working a shtick.

    I can see him practicing on his dwindling set of acquaintances.

  102. Reg Dunlop says:

    Considering what flames got for Iggy, who is twice the player Gaborik is, the Rangers got the deal of the day.

  103. Kris11 says:

    Detroits success over the past 15 years is far greater than the Oilers success in the 80′s.

    Sorry, but it’s true.

  104. fuzzy muppet says:

    Bos8,

    Adam Hall has 4 points in 26 and is +1. Smithson has 5 point in 35 games and is -4.

    Hall’s been waived twice in the last 2 weeks, no asset needed to acquire. How is this good management? I know the statistical probability of a 4th rounder “making it” is low, but its still an asset you didn’t need to part with to acquire a redundant player.

    Now Smyth moves back to wing and Jones likely sits, so WHY NOT MOVE JONES or Belanger or Petrell? This management group is clueless.

    I hope to Hell Smithson can carry this team to the playoffs. Every team around them in the standings except Dallas improved.

  105. Jordan says:

    To Summarize the Oilers Trade deadline:

    They didn’t trade any valuable assets or players trying to win now

    Yet, they didn’t give up any of their expiring contracts and turn them into assets moving forwards, in the hopes of making the playoffs.

    They overpay for a marginal depth forward who won’t be available for a week.

    Meh. I’d like to be angry about lost opportunities, but my standards for this managment group are so low right now, when they don’t $#!+ the bed, I feel reasonably pleased. Ho Hum. Grade: C

  106. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Now that’s perspective:

    @DownGoesBrown Bruins now have both Wade Redden and Zdeno Chara. Sure hope they don’t have to choose between them, I hear that can be tricky.

  107. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    duplicate post

  108. nelson88 says:

    fuzzy muppet: nelson88, Smithson is just a bigger Belanger. Why do they “need” that. You could get a guy like Smithson on waivers

    Ya, I guess I just don’t see the reason for all the angst. They made some minor tweeking in an area of need and obviously they decided to hold Whitney and Khabi for a playoff run. A week ago I was an advocate of selling but as much as people on this board want to dump on Whitney and Khabi are the Oil really more likely to make the playoffs with them gone? I would argue not and when you haven’t been to the promised land in 6 (?) years I can’t get too angry about giving yourself the best (possible) opportunity to make it. Invaluable development for the kids if they can (and money in Katz pocket).

    Sure, you could argue the Oil need a top 4 Dman (and I would very much agree) and that should have been the target. I looked at the trades since early June 2012. By my count the only “top 4″ D that have changed hands are Bouwmeester (would have been great but would the Flames trade him to Edmonton?), Visnovsky (likely would not come here), Michalek (seems he wanted to by back in Phoenix) and perhaps Schenn or Tim Erixon if you really, really stretch the definition of Top 4. The point being trades for top 4 D are not exactly easy to come by and I don’t like the chances of our management team pulling of a value deal at the trade deadline when Douglas Murray get you two 2nd round picks. Thank god Schutlz Jr. fell in our laps and they had the good sense to sign Smid.

  109. bookje says:

    fuzzy muppet: Adam Hall has 4 points in 26 and is +1. Smithson has 5 point in 35 games and is -4.

    Perhaps there is more to selecting players than this. I don’t know much about either of them, but if Hall has a habit of being an a-hole in the dressing room and Smithson is great, that is easily worth a 4th round pick.

  110. ashley says:

    Smithson for a 4th? The Oilers weren’t planning on doing anything, but they thought they’d trade some junk for junk to keep LT from posting another “It’s over” post tonight, followed by all the posts by us minions saying “Do something, anything!”.

    Why not 6 weeks ago? He probably wasn’t available. Everyone was still in it 6 weeks ago. What message would Florida send to their players by dumping Smithson 6 weeks ago?

    Why a fourth now when he cost a 6th before? It’s the trade deadline. Everything is more expensive.

    Neither Smithson nor the 4th round pick are significant assets that will hurt or harm this club. Smithson will enjoy an 8 game honeymoon period before we all turn on him like we did other marginal players of his ilk like Belanger, Brule, Fraser etc.

    Unless we make the second season. Then we will trumpet Tambellini’s genius.

  111. bookje says:

    Kris11:
    Detroits success over the past 15 years is far greater than the Oilers success in the 80′s.

    Sorry, but it’s true.

    That’s your opinion and unfortunately, it is wrong.

    Sorry, but it’s true.

  112. icecastles says:

    I think TSN should play the Sportsentre jingle over Luongo’s presser a few more times. Makes him sound so much more exciting… that’s the idea, right?

  113. Melman says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    here’s a thought: maybe no one wanted them

  114. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    bookje,

    Not enough numbers there to make a call. With nothing else I’d have to go for the one the coach played 35 times.

  115. VanOil says:

    Dithers made his summer easy.

    Don’t sign Whitney. Don’t sign Jones. Even to short term deals.

    Sign Gagner. Sign Paajarvi. Even if he over pays slightly.

    Pick up a back up goalie and a 2nd pair defender through free agency.

    None of these are as difficult as what he has faced in the past. Ralph and boys will make him look good if he does very little, this is right in his wheel house.

  116. nelson88 says:

    Kris11,

    For all his brains Gillis is the type that can be an obstinate ass when he gets dug in. Perhaps not as regrettable but I have a feeling the Hodgson trade and Luongo non trade are going to be Mikey’s “Comrie for Perry” moment.

  117. bookje says:

    Kris11:
    I don’t get the Canucks holding two goalies so long.

    I suspect that they are having trouble giving Luongo and his contract away.

  118. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    bookje,

    He agrees.

    ‏@TSNJFranklin Luongo, so frank as well as funny “my contract sucks” his answer to why he thinks he didn’t get traded #tradecentre

  119. Kris11 says:

    bookje: I suspect that they are having trouble giving Luongo and his contract away.

    I think they are wanting more than to just give it away.

    If they were just giving it away, the Foyers would’ve taken it in the offseason, IMO.

    TO would take him now, but they are rightly not giving up quality players and prospects.

  120. fuzzy muppet says:

    bookje,

    Steve sullivan goes for a 7th, Jokinen goes for a 6th. Both are far superior players than Smithson. Loktionov goes for a 5th when they NEEDED help at center 6 weeks ago. I’m not “angry” they acquired Smithson, I’m angry that it’s another overpay in a series of small over pays that this organization keeps making. If they’d made this move 6 weeks ago it makes more sense. This stuff adds up and they will suffer in the long run.

    All this may change if something trickles in late, but I can’t grade this higher than a D.

  121. crude says:

    There are a lot of positives to the Smithson acquisition. C’mon, it’s true. Smyth no longer out of postion – that’s good. Lander can get back to OKC – good. Smithson is a righty, good. a 4th is not a big deal, really.

    We can’t assume that he was available when Horc was out nursing his knuckles. The team is right where we were told it was going to be (semi-meaningful games in April). Standing pat makes sense. This off-season is where things get interesting. Lots of shuffling to get under the cap.

    The Oil are kind of rolling, let them roll.

  122. Bos8 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Bos8,

    Adam Hall has 4 points in 26 and is +1.Smithson has 5 point in 35 games and is -4.

    Hall’s been waived twice in the last 2 weeks, no asset needed to acquire.How is this good management?I know the statistical probability of a 4th rounder “making it” is low, but its still an asset you didn’t need to part with to acquire a redundant player.

    Now Smyth moves back to wing and Jones likely sits, so WHY NOT MOVE JONES or Belanger or Petrell?This management group is clueless.

    I hope to Hell Smithson can carry this team to the playoffs.Every team around them in the standings except Dallas improved.

    I’m with you on moving the players you mentioned. I doubt there was any movement possible. I don’t think Smithson makes that big a difference as in carrying the team into the playoffs, might be more of a nudge.

    I do like the positive steps this team has taken. They’re on sched and a lot of good things are happening. Krueger has even been able to cut back playing time for the top lines to rest them a bit, the D aren’t worked as hard with the forwards chipping in. Smyth was being ground down and this helps the team, maybe break up a few more cycles.

  123. fuzzy muppet says:

    ashley,

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!

  124. Kris11 says:

    bookje: That’s your opinion and unfortunately, it is wrong.

    Sorry, but it’s true.

    Its harder to be great over a longer period. That’s what Detroit did.

    Just your opinion. Whereas I am asserting fact.

    :)

  125. LMHF#1 says:

    Would’ve matched or beaten that Sullivan offer any day of the week.

  126. Captain Happy says:

    Wondering if anyone here still thinks the Wild can’t make the playoffs because of their -49 goal differential last season?

  127. FPB94 says:

    Jussi Jokinen for a conditional 7th round pick wow.

    Gaborik and Pomnville traded for pennies. Damn

  128. Captain Obvious says:

    Reg Dunlop:
    Captain Obvious,

    Sarcasm? Unloading a dressing room problem making 7.5 mil who is on the downside of his career for 3 young NHLers making, in total, less salary… a great deal for NY.

    All I can say is that you are deluded. The Rangers are a worse hockey team than they were yesterday. They didn’t get a single piece of value for Gaborik, so unless you want to say that Gaborik has negative value the Rangers hurt themselves badly with this deal.

    The comparison to the Nash deal is instructive. They traded away Anisimov, Dubinsky, Erixon, and a first round pick for Nash.

    By contrast for Gaborik, they got Dorsett, Moore, and Brassard.

    So let’s compare the principles: Anisimov and Dubinsky are very good NHL players. Brassard is a marginal power play specialist and Dorsett is an up and down plugger. Conclusion: Huge win for Jackets. Let’s call Moore and Erixon a wash and that’s without considering the first round cherry on top.

    This is an open and shut case without two sides to the equation.

  129. nelson88 says:

    Mason goes for a 3rd and Leighton. Only adds to my conviction that Khabbi would have garnered at least a 2nd. Oh well. All in for the playoff run with back to back games in April and Danis not inspiring confidence in OkC

  130. hodgkins says:

    I’m not really concerned about the 4th round pick, someone can probably tell us how likely a 4th rounder would play the 10 games that Smithson is going to play for the oilers. About not picking up a waiver wire center, who knows, maybe Smithson was better than those guys (I think it’s hard to compare players between different teams and systems when looking at stats)… Can’t say I’ve paid all that much attention to him. Hope he fits in!

  131. FPB94 says:

    Just realised CBJ and NYR exchanged their starts. Lawlz.

  132. regwald says:

    Captain Obvious: All I can say is that you are deluded. The Rangers area worse hockey team than they were yesterday.They didn’t get a single piece of value for Gaborik, so unless you want to say that Gaborik has negative value the Rangers hurt themselves badly with this deal.

    The comparison to the Nash deal is instructive.They traded away Anisimov, Dubinsky, Erixon, and a first round pick for Nash.

    By contrast for Gaborik, they got Dorsett, Moore, and Brassard.

    So let’s compare the principles:Anisimov and Dubinsky are very good NHL players.Brassard is a marginal power play specialist and Dorsett is an up and down plugger.Conclusion:Huge win for Jackets.Let’s call Moore and Erixon a wash and that’s without considering the first round cherry on top.

    This is an open and shut case without two sides to the equation.

    And Dorsett is gone for the season with a broken clavicle.

  133. godot10 says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴:
    Now that’s perspective:

    @DownGoesBrown Bruins now have both Wade Redden and Zdeno Chara. Sure hope they don’t have to choose between them, I hear that can be tricky.

    Muckler didn’t have a choice. Chara wouldn’t give Muckler a number that he would sign for. Chara was NOT going to sign in Ottawa. Muckler’s choice was Chara, but Chara took that option off the table.

  134. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    godot10,

    Would ~ have helped?

  135. nelson88 says:

    The Rangers are building up a stable of young D. Might be a good target for the Oil this summer given the trade history. Would also think that the impending cap drop (even if only for a year or two) is going to make this summer much more likely to produce some “unusual” deals like Pronger for Brewer, Wowytka, Lynch. Even if the Oil could have found a top 4 D at the trade deadline (very unlikely) I’d rather they keep their powder dry for around the Draft.

  136. fuzzy muppet says:

    Even Comeau went for a 5th. ALL these players(especially historically) are better than the player Edmonton acquired . And our management paid MORE for him.

    It’s the principle of how this management group does things that I’m upset with. Now at max contracts.

  137. MrSmitty says:

    Bos8: I don’t think Smithson makes that big a difference as in carrying the team into the playoffs, might be more of a nudge.

    I agree, Smithson might give a nudge but the real push is going to have to come from our best player, Taylor Hall. So far he is doing it, lets hope it continues.

  138. Clarence Oveur says:

    Man, Slats get his pants pulled down again.

    I love it.

  139. maudite says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Jokinen for a 6th and Carolina eats part of the $…DOes anyone still think that Smithson for a 4th is a GOOD trade.

    Awful…

    When I saw this deal it sums up the problem quite nicely.

    While today the deal is minor (maybe 9 games of belanger +15%, for possibly a future hartikanen/reider/omark/rajala?…4ths over 5th-6ths seem to be doing us well). It sums things up well. There is no way you can argue taking J Jokinen for similar money with a lower pick isn’t something that could help your team for nothing…likely help more than what you traded for.

    Top this off, we are maxed out on contracts so no college FA’s (free loto tickets which we can’t scratch because we paid the guy outside the convenience store with already scratched “sorry try again tickets” or “a $2 dollar win for a $2 dollar ticket” (ie abney/ewanyk).

    So now we have a competent 4th line center so Smyth shifts up to 3rd line….and UFA Ryan Jones does what?

    No, we didn’t trade Yakupov, MPS and Hemsky for Lucic but paper cuts add up and can kill. We’ve been bleeding out for years and once again, no proof supplied that these guys are capable of properly treating current wounds or wise enough to not create new ones. It’s not the one deal so much as it is the absurd idea that these guys are still steering the ship given a pretty damning body of work. Can anyone honestly believe we have even average NHL management? Look at our imbalanced roster (again imbalanced with 8 D, one of which is a marginal bottom pairing who apparently isn’t too concerned that the only way he will have a sustained career is if he stays in great shape and outworks people…oh and he never plays) and everything else. We have sub replacement level players making millions to sit on a bench in the minors…And to top this off, as we are looking to get to turning the corner even in these minor deals we are OVERPAYING relative to market value by comparison. Would you want the realtor with a clear history of not grasping market value sell or buy a house for you?

  140. Clarence Oveur says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    That’s what happens when said management group signs Cameron Abney to an NHL contract.

    It’s just so mindless.

  141. godot10 says:

    Nothing bad happened today for the Oilers. So today was a good day.

    Whitney and Jones are NOT good hockey players. It is not surprising that the Oilers could not get anything decent for them. Nobody was going to offer a 2nd for Whitney, so why disrupt the room trading him for a 4th? Both he and Jones are likeable guys.

    Hartikainen didn’t fully seize the day (like Paajarvi did) when he had the chance, so he will have to wait till next fall when Jones is gone.

  142. spoiler says:

    Bos8: In case anyone missed it. There was a post on the HF boards from Sweden. In an interview, Klefbom advised that he would be in Edmonton for three weeks arriving April 07. He mentioned that he might even play a little, but I would discount that as too risky.

    If Oil Change isn’t some kind of Capricorn One–and you never know, it might be–Klefbom has already been to Edmonton at least once since the season started.

  143. FPB94 says:

    If your management has a terrible logic pattern on the small deals, how can you trust them to make the big deals correctly?

  144. Bag of Pucks says:

    Now that we can put the entire day’s transactions in context, here are a few thoughts/questions:

    Do you trade Hemsky for what the NYR got for Gaborik or the Stars for Derek Roy? If you’re sitting on the fence with that question, consider that Hemsky likely has less trade value than either those players. My mission in trading Hemsky would be a starting Top 4 D or Top 6 2 way center. It would appear neither would be achievable given today’s activity.

    Do you trade Gagner for what Jason Pominville fetched? Again, with Pominville’s value likely exceeding Gagners’, did Tambellini do the right thing sticking with his pending RFA? I think so.

    Interesting to see the knock on effect. Bouwmeester makes Redden expendable who then makes Whitney to the Bs a lesser probability. The big question for me on this all week long has been why do you healthy scratch a player who’s value you’re hoping to inflate for a deadline deal?

    Despite what Internet critics thing, size matters, especially when it comes to contracts. Khabibulin and Whitney are not attractive at the Oiler yard sale cos the price is far too inflated for our damaged goods. By way of contrast, woe be to high tickets items like Gaborik when they pass their best by date. Conversely, acquiring Jussi Jokinen doesn’t make nearly as much sense to a mid rebuild team as it does to a legitimate Cup contender looking to put themselves over the top. Post Khabi, Tambi continues to prove himself contract cautious. Fiscal responsibility is a GOOD trait in a manager.

    The Oilers can’t trade any of Eric Belanger, Ben Eager or Darcy Hordichuk for my moniker. Dregs=0 return remains a solid valuation metric.

    Outside of Conacher and the Wild prospects for Pominville, not much moved in the way of high end prospects. Given the offseason Salary Cap crunch looks to create a run on some good quality players, I’m ok with the Oil betting the pot then as opposed to now.

  145. fuzzy muppet says:

    maudite,

    You put it eloquently. thank you

    “death by papercut” the official slogan of Edmonton Management.

  146. TheOtherJohn says:

    cabbiesmacker: Well that’s it then John. Conacher sucks.You didn’t answer my question. Which player with as much buzz around him should the Oilers have moved John? MPS? Yakupov? Conacher = AHL MVP last year no?And just to devalue Bishop a little??? Anderson has a roughly .955 SV in Ottawa. Lehner ball park .947. Bishop was a .922. Think it might be the system they play over there John? Do you honestly believe those THREE are that good?Hey maybe Bishop is a real nice piece. Who cares. We didn’t have a guy that we were willing to trade that Ottawa wanted in the deal. Shrug.

    Ah

    So now Bishop’s success is all because of Ottawa’s system. It must be that because Bishop has very similar #’s to Dubnyk, similar age, similar size but it has to be the system. With Spezza, with Carlsson, without Spezza. Carlsson, Anderson, whatever.

    But you believe a 23 year old rookie is the greatest young player available. I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion. Its just that anyone who has a different opinions is wrong. . That is sarcasm

    I would have tried to trade a package of young players for Bishop but the 23 year old phenom trumps all of our assets. Handsdown. More sarcasm

  147. jbfuzz says:

    This day pretty well sums up the awfulness that is Oiler management. No sense of market value, no sense of urgency, no attempt to address roster holes in a meaningful fashion. Awful. Just awful.

  148. Henry says:

    IMO Tambi had a pretty good day.

    Smithson gives them depth in a position that has been killing the team mainly due to injury. Smyth can be a nice 3LW. Belanger can play LW or whatever and Brown/Petrell can man the PB. All good.

    Possibly as important – Tambi told his team that he likes the squad and he thinks the Oilers can make the playoffs with the guys they have. Particularly with Whitney, keeping him (right or wrong medium term) will probably be good for the guys in the room trying to perpetuate a winning streak.

  149. fuzzy muppet says:

    FPB94,

    DING! You are correct…

  150. godot10 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Even Comeau went for a 5th.ALL these players(especially historically) are better than the player Edmonton acquired . And our management paid MORE for him.

    It’s the principle of how this management group does things that I’m upset with.Now at max contracts.

    It is better to overpay a little bit for the player you really want, than to just take what is on offer. The Oilers hit the ask to get the player they wanted. The price involved was relatively low. So I’m not going to fret about it. The Hockey News just game out with a piece saying that this year’s draft isn’t as deep as first thought. The Oilers kept their 2 2nd rounders, the picks that actually matter.

  151. FastOil says:

    For those who would like a playoff push, the Oilers season could have, for diddly squat, closed out like this or along these lines:

    Hall…..RNH……..Eberle
    MPS….Gagner….Hemsky
    Smyth..Horcoff…Yak
    Torres..Jokinen..Smithson

    Smid…..Petry
    Schultz..Schultz
    Hannan/Drewiske.. Ryan O’Byrne

    I am sure other D men or forwards could be subbed in here if you have favourites. The cost being very little and not affecting the future, is this a better line up for a push and the playoffs?

  152. Clarence Oveur says:

    per Gregor: Belanger is out for the remainder of the regular season. Smithson likely slots in from here on out.

    Again, this deal today (or a similar transaction) should’ve been consummated a while ago.

  153. Clarence Oveur says:

    FastOil,

    Yes it is…minus O’Byrne and Drewiskie.

  154. fuzzy muppet says:

    Henry,

    OR they could have replaced Jones with Jokinen(for a 6th), or Sullivan(for a 7th) and Improved the team and claimed hall without giving up a 4th.

  155. Clarence Oveur says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    BINGO. But that makes too much sense.

  156. Bag of Pucks says:

    Fastoil, how does that work exactly. All the other GMs take the day off and forward their calls to Tambellini?

  157. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Biggest holes at the beginning of the year: G + D.
    Most rentable vets at the deadline: Khabi + Whitney
    Oligisphere venting: Priceless

  158. godot10 says:

    FastOil:
    For those who would like a playoff push, the Oilers season could have, for diddly squat, closed out like this or along these lines:

    Hall…..RNH……..Eberle
    MPS….Gagner….Hemsky
    Smyth..Horcoff…Yak
    Torres..Jokinen..Smithson

    Smid…..Petry
    Schultz..Schultz
    Hannan/Drewiske.. Ryan O’Byrne

    I am sure other D men or forwards could be subbed in here if you have favourites. The cost being very little and not affecting the future, is this a better line up for a push and the playoffs?

    The Oilers didn’t have enough contracts for all those acquisitions. 50 contracts folks.

    Yeah, the Oilers contract management has not been great, but there is no way any team has contract room to add five rentals at the deadline.

  159. LMHF#1 says:

    This squad, simply with a better 3rd line winger than Jones or Smyth, to play with Yakupov and Horcoff could’ve had a really good shot to make some noise down the stretch. They still may, but that move would’ve helped tremendously.

  160. LMHF#1 says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴:
    Biggest holes at the beginning of the year: G + D.
    Most rentable vets at the deadline: Khabi + Whitney
    Oligisphere venting: Priceless

    Those guys are some of the ones digging the holes…

  161. fuzzy muppet says:

    LMHF#1,

    Dig up stupid!

  162. DBO says:

    so Smyth hopefully moves up to 3 LW, Jones/Petrell 4 LW with Smithson at 4 C. More depth, more physicality. hopefully he adds what we hoped we would get from Belanger,

  163. jbfuzz says:

    I’m sure Tambellini’s “we trust in this group to make the playoffs” speech will be just as effective as his “we don’t want the team to finish 30th” speech from 2 years ago.

  164. Clarence Oveur says:

    Why is Smithson’s playoff faceoff percentage relevant, Steve?

  165. Henry says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Henry,

    OR they could have replaced Jones with Jokinen(for a 6th), or Sullivan(for a 7th) and Improved the team and claimed hall without giving up a 4th.

    All sort of true, but they would have had to move contracts to do this and maybe the sellers don’t want Cam Abney or Khabbi.

    Guess what I’m saying is that I’m happy that they didn’t trade Hemsky and don’t care much about the 4th.

  166. godot10 says:

    LMHF#1:
    This squad, simply with a better 3rd line winger than Jones or Smyth, to play with Yakupov and Horcoff could’ve had a really good shot to make some noise down the stretch. They still may, but that move would’ve helped tremendously.

    Ryan Smyth is still a more than adequate 3rd line LW, especially now that Paajarvi can take a full allocation of minutes, along with Hall.

    Smyth no longer has to be overplayed. He should be fine. Especially with Yak on the right wing with Horcoff and Smyth (as opposed to Jones).

  167. fuzzy muppet says:

    DBO,

    no offense and faceoff wins…check!

  168. DBO says:

    Gord Miller ‏@GMillerTSN 30s
    Min/Buf trade: Sabres send Jason Pominville and a 4th in ’14 to the Wild for Johan Larsson, Matt Hackett a 1st in ’13 and a 2nd in ’14.

    and something brewing in Washington based on Twitter. maybe a deal or signing but no word yet. love how many things come down hours after the deadline.

  169. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    LMHF#1: Those guys are some of the ones digging the holes…

    LMHF#1,

    That’s a .930 SV hole you’re digging when you rent Bulin the day you might reach 8th spot.
    I’m fine with renting out Whitney, but his rental value is based on recent play and I did not see them rent anything better.

    Flushing them at year’s end is a different story.

  170. Gerta Rauss says:

    His ability to move the puck is something we desperately need. I didn’t see anywhere where we could replace that.” – Tambellini on Whitney

    @EdmontonOilers

    “We didn’t want to take away from the depth of our dressing room. We trust this group to get to playoffs.” – GM Tambellini

    @EdmontonOilers

    “Well-known for his defensive abilities, strength in the faceoff circle, versatile guy, veteran player.” – GM Tambellini on Smithson

    c/p from the Oilers twitter feed…there must be video/podcast out there but I haven’t found it yet.

  171. fuzzy muppet says:

    Henry,

    Who wouldn’t want Cam Abney?!?!?

  172. DBO says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    lol. exactly what we had in belanger, but smithson throws a body check. yeah truculence and grit!!!

  173. Kirby says:

    Gord Miller ‏@GMillerTSN 2m
    Min/Buf trade: Sabres send Jason Pominville and a 4th in ’14 to the Wild for Johan Larsson, Matt Hackett a 1st in ’13 and a 2nd in ’14.

    Over payment in my eyes. That is a lot for Pominville…

  174. yawto says:

    HiddenDarts,

    For everyone clamouring for Jokinen now, you are also the ones who would be asking for Tambi’s head next year when the 3 Million commited to him stopped us from getting us something we really needed. Besided Horcoff he would have been the highest paid forward outside of the top 6. Just what this team needs, 8.5 million in cap hit for Horcoff and Jokinen in our bottom six. Give your heads a shake. Sure Jussi is a good player, but for 3million to sit in the bottom six, I don’t think so. If Smithson works out well, sign him to take Belangers place when he is run out of town in the Summer. If not, then look for another to fill the fourth line center role.

    The last thing this team needed is Jussi Jokinen at 3 Million commited next year. All you guys whining about not getting him just prove why you are on a hockey blog typing instead of in an NHL office working. In fact, most of you are just proving how much smarter Dithers and his staff are then you.

  175. Gerta Rauss says:

    An underwhelming deadline imo….I had hoped they could have moved Jones or Peckham and I don’t think this group would have missed a beat.

    Not catastrophic by any means, but underwhelming.

  176. LMHF#1 says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴: LMHF#1,

    That’s a .930 SV hole you’re digging when you rent Bulin the day you might reach 8th spot.
    I’m fine with renting out Whitney, but his rental value is based on recent play and I did not see them rent anything better.

    Flushing them at year’s end is a different story.

    I’d much prefer a slightly worse goalie who you know could actually play on any given night rather than one that would be taking scheduled IR “rests”.

  177. Gerta Rauss says:

    And in the big picture sense, I like the comment earlier about keeping our powder dry for June/July…I think having cap space and available roster spots will be more valuable than a couple of picks we would/could have got for Jones or Whitney or whoever.

  178. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Did not expect anyone to pay a 7th for Peckham. Jones was the only one I thought might move out.

  179. fuzzy muppet says:

    Kirby,

    Agreed. That’s ALOT to give up. I would have rather picked Jokinin on waivers than moved 2 Really Good prospects, a 1st and a 2nd for Pominville

  180. Gerta Rauss says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴,

    Yeah…holy mackerel we have a lot of forwards.

  181. ASkoreyko says:

    I know I don’t post here a lot so my opinion on this matter is suspect at best, however!

    It really seems like the quality of the commenter driven content on the blog is starting to degrade. Lowetide has had to step in more than a few times recently to start deleting posts and he even had an actual thread on such an issue. LT’s is starting to turn into a sub-section of HF boards.

    People taking such extreme positions on what is really very small moves marginalizes them and the forum from a reasonable and mature discussion. I think people need to start trying to model their posts after LT himself, the reason people enjoy coming here and reading his articles is they are well thought out and considerate of all the different angles to the topic. Imagine what this place would be like if LT reacted so strongly one way or another throughout the season?

    Hell even when D-S-F would drop in here to troll it would at least generate some actual hockey discussion. Think about it this way, when you drop in and post something along the lines of “Tambo is such a moron, this team is so terrible its a disgrace, we don’t even belong in the NHL” think about what that actually contributes to a discussion. (Hint- nothing at all).

    Anyway I like the Smithson trade. For everyone saying this should of been done a while ago chances are such a trade was not available. Also as another poster has mentioned prices go up at the trade-deadline. The bottom line is the Oilers did not sell off any part of the future and got a potentially very useful 4th liner that might look very good on our team down the line. Sure there is no offence but we also don’t have to pay him like he scores, should be a nice cheap vet that can win a face-off and hit a few people. Pretty much exactly what you want from your 4th line player.

  182. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    LMHF#1,

    I’ll take .930 even if his 4th game in a row is suspect. Not that many games left and they know exactly what they can get out of this guy if Dubnyk needs to watch some few games.

  183. cabbiesmacker says:

    FPB94:
    If your management has a terrible logic pattern on the smalldeals, how can you trust them to make the big deals correctly?

    Scott Gomez and Brian Gionta say hello.

  184. Ice Sage says:

    yawto:
    HiddenDarts,

    For everyone clamouring for Jokinen now, you are also the ones who would be asking for Tambi’s head next year when the 3 Million commited to him stopped us from getting us something we really needed.Besided Horcoff he would have been the highest paid forward outside of the top 6.Just what this team needs, 8.5 million in cap hit for Horcoff and Jokinen in our bottom six.Give your heads a shake.Sure Jussi is a good player, but for 3million to sit in the bottom six, I don’t think so.If Smithson works out well, sign him to take Belangers place when he is run out of town in theSummer.If not, then look for another to fill the fourth line center role.

    The last thing this team needed is Jussi Jokinen at 3 Million commited next year.All you guys whining about not getting him just prove why you are on a hockey blog typing instead of in an NHL office working.In fact, most of you are just proving how much smarter Dithers and his staff are then you.

    ^^^^
    Totally captures the capriciousness of this crowd. Sometimes the best move is the one you don’t make – no one’s taking Whitney, Jones or Fistric. Oilers would lose any PRV, Gagner, Hemsky trades for any of the players that moved today. Khabibulin is needed down the stretch.

    Hey, there’s a game on tonight and the team is intact… Goil

  185. Lucinius says:

    I don’t mind what the Oilers did today. I’m happy they didn’t do anything stupid. I wish they had unloaded one of Petrell, Jones or Peckham, but adding Smithson for a 4th is fine by me.

    I do not get the emotion and anger displayed in this thread one bit. Could Tambellini have done better? Maybe. Maybe not, we don’t know what goes on in the phone calls between GMs. Some GMs prefer working with certain teams (Carolina and Pittsburgh are one such combo). A deal available for one GM is not always available for another. Going ‘well they got that guy for this!’ is meaningless unless you actually have information that such a player was available to us at the same price.

    For those worked up on losing a 4th rounder? Seriously? You’re worked up about a fourth round draft pick? Could we have had Hall for less? Sure, but we had other priorities (DeKeyser). Should the Oilers have run things so they weren’t flush against the 50 contract rule? Of course. But shit happens.

    Oilers don’t even come off as in the bottom third of teams who did badly today. Its not even close. Calgary couldn’t sell off pieces needed to rebuild quicker. Vancouver couldn’t do what it needed to do to keep up with the arms race or fix holes, or offload Luongo. Detroit, with several glaring needs, managed to do absolutely NOTHING. Phoenix struggled to sell their assets compared to San Jose. Winnipeg did fuck all outside the waiver wire with massive need and pressure.

    I could go on and on.

    Playoffs were a long shot for the Oilers. Taking on a contract for next year (like Jokinen) is a bad idea at the moment until they find out what they have to pay Gagner, period.

    All I can say is; the lot of you are over-reacting by a metric fuck-ton. Oilers didn’t have a great day. Didn’t have a bad day, however. I consider that a win, personally, given the situation the Oilers are in, cap/contract wise and where they are in a rebuild.

  186. fuzzy muppet says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Hence why they HAVE a new GM, that’s turned the team around incidentally

  187. delooper says:

    icecastles: Detroit Red Wings.
    21 consecutive playoff appearances.
    1st in their division 11 of the last 14 years.
    4 Stanley Cups since 1997.
    6 appearances in Conference finals since 97.
    Not the 80′s Oilers, but I wouldn’t say it’s “not even close”.

    That’s a very different profile than the 80′s Oilers. Certainly the Red Wings are the most consistently good team since the Oilers dynasty, I’d go that far in terms of comparables.

    Regarding Kris11′s comment:

    You’re off the deep end in suggesting the last 10 years aren’t some of the worst ever, except for one lucky playoff run. Which NHL teams are worse than the Oilers over the last 10 years. Maybe the Isles. (Who are strong contendersfor worst in Pro sports) Who else?

    That simply makes no sense. In the past ten years the Oilers made it to game 7 of the stanley cup finals. There are many teams that have not. You discount 2006 like it’s nothing yet there’s plenty of teams that would consider that the highlight of the entire franchise, but for Edmonton it’s just one of many nice moments. You might want to admit you’re just never satisfied with anything.

  188. Clarence Oveur says:

    ASkoreyko,

    I’m new to the fray here and have recently begun to accept advanced stats into my hockey repertoire. I also believe in being reasonable and not getting caught up in hyperbole (although I’m prone to mistakes) and that’s also why I came here for Oilers discussion.

    The examples you make are correct in that those kind of posts add nothing to the discussion. However, what I’ve seen here is writing off legitimate arguments about mismanagement of assets by the organization as “whining” and would argue that it’s just as futile for the sake of discussion.

    Just my two cents. Again, I need a beer. Who’s going to the bar for the game tonight? $12 pitchers of Labatt 50 here in Ottawa.

  189. denny33 says:

    Listened to Mike Gillis and Chevy ( Wpg GM ) talk about the conditions of this years run up to the deadline.

    *Virtually* no supply of players and INCREASED demand….teams that have been sellers for the last few years – are now in competing to *buy*…

    *Incredible* demand this year….

    Chevy was defending his inability to make any moves to stave off a 4 game losing slide…he answered – the PRICE was way too high.

    Khabby
    Whitney
    Peckham
    Belanger
    Jones

    Impossible to quantify the actions of not doing anything….

    This was a sellers market and I can’t figure out why we would not be selling at least a couple of assets.

    I like Jason Pominville – but he is turning 31 this year. The Sabres are getting a 1st round pick this year and a 2nd next. Plus – and I am going by TSN here – TWQ first rate prospects.

    WOW….

  190. cabbiesmacker says:

    TheOtherJohn: Ah

    So now Bishop’s success is all because of Ottawa’s system. It must be that because Bishop has very similar #’s to Dubnyk, similar age, similar sizebut it has to be the system. With Spezza, with Carlsson, without Spezza. Carlsson, Anderson, whatever.

    But you believe a 23 year old rookie is the greatest young player available. I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion. Its just that anyone who has a different opinions is wrong. . That is sarcasm

    I would have tried to trade a package of young players forBishop but the 23 year old phenom trumps all of our assets. Handsdown. More sarcasm

    My, how we convolute things huh?

    Where did I say Conacher was the best young player available? Don’t really get why you can’t get your head around “The Oilers weren’t willing to give up as much.”

    I have zero against Bishop. I’d have really liked him here. Oilers couldn’t match or wouldn’t trade a player Ott liked as much as Conacher, no matter how hard you push the 5’8 170 point…..like it actually has some merit.

    Whatever you think Conacher is or isn’t makes no diff. Elmer Fudd had a chubb for him.

    Conacher – 23 – 5’8 – 170 – AHL MVP – solid rookie season…hmmmm But guys like that can’t make an impression in the NHL

    Martin St Louis says hello – Brian Gionta is right behind him combing his hair

  191. DBO says:

    Anaheim Ducks ‏@AnaheimDucks 1m
    #NHLDucks trade goalie Jeff Deslauriers to Minnesota for future considerations. http://bit.ly/10zs6PU

    tehe

  192. godot10 says:

    denny33:

    Khabby
    Whitney
    Peckham
    Belanger
    Jones

    Impossible to quantify the actions of not doing anything….

    This was a sellers market and I can’t figure out why we would not be selling at least a couple of assets.

    Those are all NOT good hockey players. If we know that, most GM’s in the league know that.

    No sane person would trade a 2nd for Whitney. Taking a 4th for Whitney would be demoralizing to the team, because although he is not a good hockey player anymore, he is a likeable character guy.

    Jones is a bad hockey player. He can’t help anyone. The Oilers got him on waivers.

    Khabilulin hasn’t demonstrated any ability to stay healthy.

    Peckham hasn’t played.

    Belanger is injured.

  193. DBO says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 55s
    As per @Real_ESPNLeBrun, NSH trades Michael Latta and Martin Erat to WSH for Filip Forsberg.

  194. jake70 says:

    Erat to Washington, good riddance – out of the west, don’t know the numbers but hasn’t he killed the Oilers in recent years?

  195. Henry says:

    That Pominville deal is a head scratcher. They couldn’t have negotiated that down? Good player and all, but that is a lot of future.

    Have seen Larsson some, decent player. Sort of like Lander in that he pisses the other team off but its hard to see how he does it.

  196. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ice Sage: Sometimes the best move is the one you don’t make – no one’s taking Whitney, Jones or Fistric.

    they could have been blowing smoke, but they was a lot of discussion about Whitney. and Tambi came out today and said they decided to keep him.

    That doesn’t mean there weren’t offers, nor does it mean the offers were any good… but other GMs offloaded dead weight for help down the road and looks like ST decided to stand pat with Whitney.

    I don’t think that’s the right choice

  197. fuzzy muppet says:

    godot10,

    Douglass Murray is horrible and got 2! 2nd rounders. There were deals to be made.

  198. Lucinius says:

    This is just my opinion, but I think keeping Whitney was more to appease Hall and Co. than anything else. They seem to really like Whitney, both on and off the ice.

  199. Lucinius says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Shero just got hosed on that deal, period.

    Edit: I should add that it is quite possible the Murray deal actually made it harder for the Oilers to deal their dead wood as it may have made the Oilers ask for more than the players were worth based on what Shero gave up for Murray.

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