WILD AT OILERS G42 (12-13) 16.4.13

After the events of yesterday, it’s difficult to focus on the final games of the season. I will watch this evening in hopes of a much better effort and will look forward to hearing what the players say about the firing of Steve Tambellini and moving Craig MacTavish to the GM job. Honestly though, I’d rather they scrap the game and let MacTavish talk for 2 hours about what he’s going to do this summer.

I think the deadline was a poor one for Tambellini, but remain convinced the inertia at center contributed more to his firing. Horcoff and Belanger went down the same night and the GM did nothing–and the team lost and lost and lost again. The deadline offered the team a chance to offload some expiring contracts in Ryan Whitney, Mark Fistric, Nikolai Khabibulin and Ryan Jones.

Let’s take these one at a time:

  • Jim Matheson says he believes the Oilers could have gotten a 2nd round pick for Whitney, but I don’t think it’s true (or the club would have pulled the trigger). It’s far more likely other NHL teams’ pro scouts send back reports that suggested their club look elsewhere for deadline help. 
  • Fistric is a player Edmonton may some interest in keeping, I’d expect we’ll see more of him between now and the end of the season.
  • Khabibulin may have had a market for his services, which makes it impossible to justify his presence on the current roster.
  • Ryan Jones may have been offered around, but we don’t really know his league book value (it may be far less than one would expect based on his last two full seasons worth of offense. There are some warts and he did sustain an injury in the off-season).

Oklahoma City Barons defenseman Brandon Davidson, who returned after undergoing cancer treatment during the season, has been named the 2012-13 winner of the Fred Hunt Memorial Award as the American Hockey League player who best exemplifies the qualities of sportsmanship, determination and dedication to hockey.

Davidson was diagnosed with testicular cancer early in the season and returned to play three months after the initial diagnosis. In November, Davidson had the cancerous tissue removed and underwent one round of chemotherapy.

Following successful treatment, the 21-year-old Davidson returned to the Barons lineup in February.

MacT’s first move as GM was to improve team depth, as he recalled Teemu Hartikainen (why in hell he was in the AHL is a mystery) and Anton Lander as they get ready for a crazy schedule next week. I think the club may pull Whitney, Jones and Smithson out of the lineup as soon as tonight, the club might as well look at these fellows while they have a chance.

The Oilers are currently in 8th place in terms of draft order (if the season ended today). I think we can safely count out the following players (they’ll be off the board when they hit the podium):

  1. Seth Jones
  2. Jonathan Drouin
  3. Slava Barkov
  4. Nathan MacKinnon
  5. Sean Monahan

If any of those young men fall to #8, Oilers would no doubt grab them in a heartbeat. However, beyond that there appears to be a gap to the next group, and that might mean the club either trades out of their slot or deals the pick for a useful plug and play type. Among the group they would probably considerat #8:

  • Elias Lindholm, a 2-way center with skill. 
  • Anthony Mantha, a big powerforward who scored 50 in the QMJHL this season.
  • Valeri Nichushkin, a Russian winger with size (it would help if he was in the CHL).
  • Rasmus Ristolainen, a fine 2-way defender with size and skill.
  • Curtis Lazar, 2-way center with skill and physical element.
  • Nikita Zadorov, a mountain on defense who flattens forwards with a single bound.

 

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  1. mumbai max says:

    Sign Weiss and Horton as UFA’s.

    Trade Hemsky, 2 top D prospects (Klefbom, Musil), and 2013 First round pick for Weber.

    Trade Gagner for a top four young defenceman. (Myers, Bergosian, Asner,you get the idea). This might require throwing in an extra bone or taking back a big buyout contract.

    Smyth, Jones, Belanger, Eager, Fistric, Potter and Hordichuk get sold for various sizes of bags of pucks. Eager and Belanger bought out if necessary.

    Et voila. Bold, effective, and the core is intact.

    The fab 5 + Petry, Harti and Paajarvi stay, surrounded by a decent supporting cast.

    Why is this so difficult.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Don’t discount the tank job yet LT!

    We can still fall further.

    Rishaug is reporting Peckham may play tonight. perhaps MacT will finally get around to picking between him and Fistric.

  3. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    mumbai max:
    Sign Weiss and Horton as UFA’s.

    Trade Hemsky, 2 top D prospects (Klefbom, Musil), and 2013 First round pick for Weber.

    Trade Gagner for a top four young defenceman. (Myers, Bergosian, Asner,you get the idea). This might require throwing in an extra bone or taking back a big buyout contract.

    Smyth, Jones, Belanger, Eager, Fistric, Potter and Hordichuk get sold for various sizes of bags of pucks. Eager and Belanger bought out if necessary.

    Et voila. Bold, effective, and the core is intact.

    The fab 5 + Petry, Harti and Paajarvi stay, surrounded by a decent supporting cast.

    Why is this so difficult.

    That’s going to leave your centre depth likes this

    RNH
    Horcov
    Lander
    VDV/Smithson?

  4. dulock says:

    Do you think the Oilers would look at Darnell Nurse? He’s pretty high on most lists. Also, Does anyone know why some lists have Mantha at 15th or lower (ISS has him 25th)?

  5. mumbai max says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: That’s going to leave your centre depth likes this

    RNH
    Horcov
    Lander
    VDV/Smithson?

    Weiss is a center.

  6. sliderule says:

    The oilers have scouted Lindholm both at WJC and by MacT earlier in the season so they should have a pretty good idea of what kind of player he is.
    His boxes are real good in SEL .he is not too big but not afraid to go into dirty areas.

    I think Monahan might be available as Nurse or the Russian could pop into top five.

    MacT was taking a look at Nurse a few days ago so they may be interested in him.

  7. mumbai max says:

    LT, don’t forget we can finish 22 and still get first pick. Or certainly a top 5 pick. Could have used our former GM, old what’s his name, for this final task.

  8. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    mumbai max: Weiss is a center.

    ha!

    somehow I managed to read your comment from the second line down.

    Weiss is interesting. 4 20 goal seasons, seems to have dropped in production this year.

    Faced the toughs this year and last. suffering via corisrel this year, but better last year and the year before:

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=11&s=11&f1=2012_s&f2=5v5&f4=C+LW+RW&f5=FLA&f8=10&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67+11+12+13+14+15+16

    he’d be cheaper than Gags, I’d guess:

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/812

    would be a good comparable for the Grabo talk, same age roughly, same production roughly.

  9. Woodguy says:

    Tyler put a post up last night that has a quote from MacT from his HNIC radio interview:

    “Even within the five game winning streak, a lot of games we get outshot. The shot differential in the game is quite significant for our club. It was a great run that we were on but I was never really under the illusion that we were a team that could put together that stretch nor did I think we’d lose four or five in a row here the last little while. It’s really a reflection of where we are. It’s not a set of specific circumstances that occurred over the last week that stopped us from winning five games in a row to losing five games in a row. Over that period of time we’ve probably been a .500 team and that’s where we are over the last ten games.”

    The Oiler GM knows that their terrible shooting rates is a key source of their woes????

    MUSIC!!

    Here’s the link to Tyler’s piece: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=5770

  10. Jordan says:

    I know you’re supposed to take the best combination of skill, speed, size and scoring in the first round, and have no idea about his wheels or skill, but… considering the raw need of size in the top six, can the Oilers possibly no select Mantha if he’s on the board and none of the top 5 have fallen?

    I mean, we talk about Penner being Mahovlitch-lite, but isn’t this guy ACTUALLY Mahovlitch? More than a PPG and a PIM/G throughout both the regular season and the Playoffs?

    Could be wrong here, but he sure sounds like a Magic Bullet for this Oilers team…

  11. cc says:

    A couple of quick thoughts;

    - I wonder how Fistric would look, with Petry. I think he needs to have a puckmoving defense partner, but he also needs someone responsible in his own zone. It’s worth a try for the rest of the season. Then move Smid with J. Schultz.
    - The bottom 9 depth; Paajarvi, Horcoff, Hemsky, Gagner, Jones, Yakupov, Smyth, Belanger, Petrell & Brown. Has a worse ShotsFor% & Corsi% than the group that initially started the rebuild 2009/10; Gagner, Potulny, Nilsson, Pisani, Moreau, Brule, Comrie, Cogliano, Pouliot, Jacques, Jones & Stortini. At what point do we look at the coaching staff. I like Krueger as a coach and think that he should be retained, but Smith & Buchburger HAVE TO GO! Krueger is a ST guru, he needs to have an associate coach that implements a better 5×5 system. Someone from the Hitchcock, J. Martin, Michelle Therien mold.
    - I’m not much for rumors, but I wonder if the Senators would be interested in swapping Turris for Gagner. Personally, I think that Gagner is the better player but Turris is a bigger player, I believe the Oilers wanted him during his drat year and he’s gonna be around 1.5 cheaper than Gagner. The Senators wanted Gagner as part of the Heatley deal, so it might make sense that both parties would be interested. Also, living in Ottawa it doesn’t appear that they are in love with Turris this season …

  12. hockeyguy10 says:

    The guys on the radio in Cow Town poke a little fun at KLowe this morning.

    Missed the “hidden audio” from Kevin Lowe’s press conference? http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/on-demand/

  13. Woodguy says:

    Jordan:
    I know you’re supposed to take the best combination of skill, speed, size and scoring in the first round, and have no idea about his wheels or skill, but… considering the raw need of size in the top six, can the Oilers possibly no select Mantha if he’s on the board and none of the top 5 have fallen?

    I mean, we talk about Penner being Mahovlitch-lite, but isn’t this guy ACTUALLY Mahovlitch?More than a PPG and a PIM/G throughout both the regular season and the Playoffs?

    Could be wrong here, but he sure sounds like a Magic Bullet for this Oilers team…

    Everyone’s concerned that if Mantha had been born a day earlier he would have been draft eligible last year.

    Age scoring rates are very telling for young prospects and if you put Mantha’s scoring in the context of him being draft eligible last year, its not very exciting.

  14. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Everyone’s concerned that if Mantha had been born a day earlier he would have been draft eligible last year.

    Age scoring rates are very telling for young prospects and if you put Mantha’s scoring in the context of him being draft eligible last year, its not very exciting.

    Jones and Monahan are basically a year older too.

    I think that’s got to give the younger kids an edge.

  15. FastOil says:

    Jordan:
    I know you’re supposed to take the best combination of skill, speed, size and scoring in the first round, and have no idea about his wheels or skill, but… considering the raw need of size in the top six, can the Oilers possibly no select Mantha if he’s on the board and none of the top 5 have fallen?

    I mean, we talk about Penner being Mahovlitch-lite, but isn’t this guy ACTUALLY Mahovlitch?More than a PPG and a PIM/G throughout both the regular season and the Playoffs?

    Could be wrong here, but he sure sounds like a Magic Bullet for this Oilers team…

    The knock on him is motivation. He is an older player and that should have seen him more successful last year too. I would think given MacT’s history as coach and Oiler success with the Q, there is little chance they’ll take a chance getting Penner/Pouliot 2.0 (sorry LT). I am not saying it’s the right decision though.

    As has been mentioned over the last while, there is Jones, then MacK Drouin Barkov, then anywhere from 6-8 others, then the rest of the first round.

    If they pick outside of the top 4 and inside the top ten, there are strong arguments for any of the 6-8 as BPA so I would say they’ll pick a D or C based on who they see as best.

    If they pick D, MacT is still going to have to trade for D help now. Only Jones has a good shot at stepping right in, and he would still likely have to play 3rd pairing at least at first. He is a “big” player, but not Larrson/Hedman NHL D sized, and he is a lot younger than J Schultz who has had trouble despite being really talented.

  16. jonrmcleod says:

    Stauffer is predicting a WOW trade this summer. #bold #risk

  17. FastOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Jones and Monahan are basically a year older too.

    I think that’s got to give the younger kids an edge.

    Mac K or Barkov are who I want to see drafted because of age and upside. It’s likely less important for D than forwards though. Grabbing another high end C puts MacT in a very good position moving forward as opposed to a long term D prospect or middling C prospect.

    I’m hoping for a terrible end to the season (changing GM is enough happy for me for now) and am following the teams behind us with great interest which I usually don’t.

    I think it’s time RNH started rehabbing for next year, it’s going to be the longest of his career.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    FastOil: Mac K or Barkov are who I want to see drafted because of age and upside. It’s likely less important for D than forwards though. Grabbing another high end C puts MacT in a very good position moving forward as opposed to a long term D prospect or middling C prospect.

    I’m hoping for a terrible end to the season (changing GM is enough happy for me for now) and am following the teams behind us with great interest which I usually don’t.

    I think it’s time RNH started rehabbing for next year, it’s going to be the longest of his career.

    My main concern out of yesterday was that the losing streak ends out some organizational “win one for the gipper” mentality.

    There’s no reason to win now. Stuff pride in the pantry and get into the top 6 range.

    With Lander up… maybe they do sit RNH and sort that shoulder out… but I’d guess they would want Arco in that top 2 C role like they did earlier in the year if that were the case.

  19. Bar_Qu says:

    The thing about this draft, Monahan vs Mantha vs Lazar, is that regardless of who is drafted, they will not fill a spot on the roster for 3 years. Or at least not fill it well. Do we have to sing the epic ballad of PRV again? I like the draft class and the options for the Oilers are terribly interesting, but I think some posters feel that is the solution to our big centre ‘problem’. Which it definitely isn’t.

    I like the Grabovski option simply because a good GM will be able to fleece TO on that trade (taking back salary, getting extra on top of the player, etc) regardless of the contract. And he is a good player who will help immediately.

    I also heard Dutatschek talk about the possibility of Weber leaving Nashville (in his discussion with fan960 on Monday) and I really think giving up a first this year or next ++ is worth it. I don’t know how realistic that possibility is, since Nashville repeatedly states he isn’t going anywhere, but it would be a great start to MacTGM’s career.

    The Wild are in town tonight? Yawn. Tho I do hope Hall crushes someone en route to a goal and Yak puts a puck through the goal netting.

  20. thebiggestmanintheworld says:

    If Kevin Lowe really was an important player in achieving all those Cups, shouldn’t he be in the HHOF?

    The fact he has 6 rings and is still not in the Hall says a little something, no?

    Plus, Kevin Lowe the player would have taken anyone who called out the fans like that behind the woodshed. A real shame watching what he has become…..

  21. Bar_Qu says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Stauffer is predicting a WOW trade this summer. #bold #risk

    3 for 1!

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bar_Qu: 3 for 1!

    Beware the 1 for 3!

    or, the “Gaborik”

  23. Mr DeBakey says:

    there is little chance they’ll take a chance getting Penner/Pouliot

    Whatever problems Penner and Pouliot had, they were not the same problems at all.

    Penner suffered from The Big M Syndrome.
    Whereas Pouliot had a bad case Béliveau Light. Very, very light.

    I'd still think Pouliot would make a fine 5th Center sitting in the pressbox next year on opening night. Maybe sharing a bowl of popcorn with a facepuncher..

    Something that hasn't been mentioned,
    Does the MacT era have the time or space to resurect Omark's Oiler career?
    [I realize why it hasn't been mentioned, but still - Skill!]

  24. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    I agree with the age differential…and I missed Mantha being that old.

    Warning: Sean Monohan is only20 days younger than Mantha…

    This makes me love Barkov a lot more – nearly a year younger than Mantha and Monohan and playing against men…

  25. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Mr DeBakey: Something that hasn’t been mentioned,
    Does the MacT era have the time or space to resurect Omark’s Oiler career?
    [I realize why it hasn't been mentioned, but still - Skill!]

    I’d love to see Omark given a fifteenth chance under MacT.

    He’s our property, we don’t have to lose anything but a contract and if it doesn’t work out you waive him or bundle him in a trade.

    A one year deal should be a no brainer.

  26. Mr DeBakey says:

    If Kevin Lowe really was an important player in achieving all those Cups

    I’ve seen a few comment like this over the past 24 hours.
    Kevin Lowe was a hell of a good hockey player.
    You can’t check his Qual Comp for the Cup Years, but if you could, I bet it’d be through the roof.

  27. Cobbler says:

    The recent happenings in Edmonton and her recent passing remind me of the following Thatcher quote:

    “Consensus: “The process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values, and policies in search of something in which no one believes, but to which no one objects; the process of avoiding the very issues that have to be solved, merely because you cannot get agreement on the way ahead. What great cause would have been fought and won under the banner: ‘I stand for consensus?”

    I suspect Tambi was the ultimate consensus builder and that was his role.

    MacT will have the confidence of Katz and Lowe and I suspect will have a lot more leash to undertake his vision. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s the sense I get.

  28. Woodguy says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    If Kevin Lowe really was an important player in achieving all those Cups

    I’ve seen a few comment like this over the past 24 hours.
    Kevin Lowe was a hell of a good hockey player.
    You can’t check his Qual Comp for the Cup Years, but if you could, I bet it’d be through the roof.

    Agreed.

    You always felt good when Lowe was on the ice because the other team probably wasn’t going to score.

    Hell of a hockey player.

    Unfortunately, since he played with a broken wrist one cup year he thinks every player that doesn’t play through a lot of pain is a pansy.

    Every hockey player needs to play through pain, but the Oilers org under his rein has far too many players doing more damage to themselves instead of getting healthy.

    Souray and Hemsky come to mid quickly.

  29. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Willis a few weeks ago comparing MacT’s pre-lockout years to the preceding years:

    “Over [their first] four seasons, the Lowe/MacTavish Oilers went 149-111-47-21 with a plus-58 goal differential; that’s 17 games over true 0.500 while losing players like Weight, Guerin, Carter and others thanks to monetary concerns. For the sake of contrast, Glen Sather’s Oilers went a total of nine games under true 0.500 over the previous four seasons and managed a plus-14 goal differential.”

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/4/12/how-we-got-here-a-brief-history-of-the-post-sather-oilers

  30. FastOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: My main concern out of yesterday was that the losing streak ends out some organizational “win one for the gipper” mentality.

    There’s no reason to win now. Stuff pride in the pantry and get into the top 6 range.

    With Lander up… maybe they do sit RNH and sort that shoulder out… but I’d guess they would want Arco in that top 2 C role like they did earlier in the year if that were the case.

    Either way it’s a step down in the right direction ;)

  31. pboy says:

    thebiggestmanintheworld: If Kevin Lowe really was an important player in achieving all those Cups, shouldn’t he be in the HHOF?The fact he has 6 rings and is still not in the Hall says a little something, no?Plus, Kevin Lowe the player would have taken anyone who called out the fans like that behind the woodshed. A real shame watching what he has become…..

    Kevin Lowe probably should be in the Hall of Fame as a player. If he played his career with the Leafs or Habs he would be in already. Book it.

    432 points
    1254 games
    6 Stanley Cups
    King Clancy Award winner
    7 All Star selections
    1 Canada Cup Team & if he wasn’t hurt in 1987, it would have been 2 Canada Cup Teams (equivalent of making the Olympic team now)

    Very, very good player. Terrible, terrible manager.

  32. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    The Oilers may even end up with the third overall pick, I really only see one game they might win the rest of the way.

    Can the Oilers send Paajarvi back down for the Barons playoff drive? This should happen soon.

  33. pboy says:

    I should probably mention the fact that I have a signed Kevin Lowe jersey hanging on the wall of my office at work, so I might be a little biased about his HHOF worthiness. I was always a big fan of him and the way he played the game. Not such a fan of Lowe the manager or the public speaker however…..

  34. FastOil says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    there is little chance they’ll take a chance getting Penner/Pouliot

    Whatever problems Penner and Pouliot had, they were not the same problems at all.

    Something that hasn’t been mentioned,
    Does the MacT era have the time or space to resurect Omark’s Oiler career?

    True, I meant given the past they might be gun shy for those reasons.

    Omark is interesting. MacT would play anyone that had go, which Omark does. I have concerns that Omark seems to find issues wherever he plays except maybe the KHL.

  35. HugThePost says:

    Lowe played hockey in a way that we all appreciate: passionate, balls-out, no holds barred. Unfortunately he has retained those traits in his approach to media and customer relations. He’s Robin to Katz’s Batman, so he is going nowhere; hopefully Katz has the sense to keep him away from microphones. It is kind of sad to see him evolve into this old grumpy guy.

    I’m glad that MacT has noticed the crappy shot differential the team has. That stat alone is probably the culmination of all that is wrong with the team—-for all of their high end talent, they play virtually every game on ice tilted against them. Let’s hope he is true to his word and makes a healthy effort at correcting that this summer.

    He really should stay away from the PP—-I do not want to see Toby Peterson manning the point ever again.

  36. DBO says:

    At what point to stop talking about who to draft and start talking about who we can get for our 1st rd pick? It will be top 10 for sure, possibly top 5. there are teams out there in serious cap trouble, and you me able to pry away a good younger player who fits our needs. We all know the key areas, but one other one we rarely mention is age. We do not need more under 23 players (our 1st will be that) and we do not need any more over 33 yr old players. We need the in between guys. Around 27 or so, in their prime with 3-5 more years of solid play. Does our 1st get you McDonough out of the Rangers? If they do not buy out Richards, they will need to possible clear dollars. That is a bold move that instantly makes us better.

    trade the first for a McDonough (and add whatever prospects you need) and sign a guy like Clowe. yes he is 30, but he still has 2 or 3 more years of effectiveness, so a 2 year overpay still works. Two big fixes, grit with skill and veterans not over the hill. A few 27 to 30 year olds with compete complemented by enough speed and skill to keep up and add to the team.

  37. denny33 says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    The problem is teams like Carolina and Nashville are falling off a cliff….not sure if Nashville will win again this year. ..lost 7 straight.

    I say we decided to pass on a 2nd round pick for Whitney – and yes I believe Matheson is right on that – we should play the SH%$#T out of him….our fall is guaranteed!

    Work Whitney like a dog. Double shift him..

  38. DBO says:

    Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe 11m
    Hall-Gagner-Yakupov, Paajarvi-RNH-Jones, Petrell-Smyth-Brown, Hartikainen-Horcoff-Lander..Eberle not skating.Best guess is he replaces Jones

    The line shake up begins. Why the hell have Smyth at centre and Lander at wing? I guess they felt he was most effective there, and sucked balls with to much ice?

  39. CrazyCoach says:

    At this point, I find myself not even really giving a rats furry behind for this team, especially in light of Lowe telling me I’m not a real fan. What myopic thinking.

    I’m very skeptical of the hiring of MacT and Howson yesterday. Really, what have they shown in the past? MacT gets a bit of grace but Howson has proven to be nothing more than an inept hockey manager. If the front office hiring is an indicator of the pro scouting department then its not wonder this is a bottom third of the league hockey team. Any other team or business for that matter would not hire someone who left the organization in a mess, went to another organization and ran it into the ground, and then got fired. I truly do hope MacT shows Howson the door and soon.

    I’m ticked because we have an owner of a team that acts like some Star Wars fan boy who somehow can’t find the money to build his own damn rink but somehow manages to keep the alumni on payroll and call them a management team.

    And as someone who lives in city where the local major junior team is run as a family retirement fund and not as an organization that wants to win, I tend to get a little steamed when I see the PC I saw yesterday. Such arrogance and contempt on Kevin Lowe’s behalf. It really reminds me of the local team owner here announcing that his daughter is now in charge of the business end of the hockey team and is one of the best hockey people in the North. I think when I see stuff like that, it makes me vomit in my mouth just a little.

    But, as long as people keep filling those seats, KLowe is happy and Fanboy Katz is happy to.

    Trust me, crappy organizations and perpetual losing hockey teams have one thing in common; the crap starts at the top and slowly slides down into every crack of the organization until there is a permanent stink emanating from the entire organization. Players don’t give a shit and they don’t want to work hard or perform better because there is no accountability or model of success shown by the leaders of the team.

    I have been a fan of this team since the Alberta Oilers days, and it irks me to no end to see no end to this mess. Meaningful games near the end of the regular season would be nice. Hell, some effort against your provincial and lifelong rival would be nice.

    Welcome aboard MacT. Please do something to improve this team.

  40. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    DBO:
    Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe 11m
    Hall-Gagner-Yakupov, Paajarvi-RNH-Jones, Petrell-Smyth-Brown, Hartikainen-Horcoff-Lander..Eberle not skating.Best guess is he replaces Jones

    The line shake up begins. Why the hell have Smyth at centre and Lander at wing? I guess they felt he was most effective there, and sucked balls with to much ice?

    that is beyond blender….

    BTW, do you think this: “Eberle not skating.Best guess is he replaces Jones” means that Eberle will play in Jones’ spot in those line at gametime, or that Jones has replaced Eberle for whatever reason.

  41. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Age scoring rates are very telling for young prospects and if you put Mantha’s scoring in the context of him being draft eligible last year, its not very exciting.

    Yes the Junior project ion curves for players is important.

    the 17 year old season. the NHLE is .75 to.5 of junior PPG production. (around.2 per month of age diffrence)
    the 18 year old season is .5 to .4 ( around .1 per month)
    the 19 year old season is .4 to .35 (around .05 per month)
    the 20 year old season is .35 to .32 ( around .025 per month)
    the 21 year old season .32 to .3 Around .015 per month)

    If you are saying manthas 11-12 season is his 17 year season
    then
    17 yr Sept birth .76 NHLE @ 22YR
    63GM 22G 29A 51P
    51/63 .809PPG * 82GM * .76 = 51PT 22G 29A NHLE

    18 Year Sept .50 NHLE @ 22
    67GM 50G 39A 89PT
    89/67 1.328PPG * 82 * .51 = 55PT 32G 23A NHLE
    then what we need is to see the Player push in junior @ Even, PP, PK

    Vincent Dunn 5’11″ 182LB
    Sept 14 birth eligable for draft by one day.
    53 GM 25G 27A 52 PT
    52/53 .981PPG * 82 * .75 = 61PT 29G 32A NHLE

    both guys draft eligble this year. 363 days apart in age.
    on the same team.
    Dunn was second for PIM.
    He is not in craigs top 75
    2 Gm suspension for first nation based slur.
    Brad marchand?

    Lazar 5’11″ is a end Jan start of feb birth so he is @ .59 on Curve.
    72Gm 38G 23A
    61/72 .847 * 82 * .59 = 41PT 25G 16A

    you take a 40 pt player in top 2 rounds if he is 6’2″ + and can control the puck.

  42. DBO says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    BAsed on twitter from other MSm types, Eberle just not skating but should play tonight in the spot Jones is in this morning.

  43. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    DBO:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    BAsed on twitter from other MSm types, Eberle just not skating but should play tonight in the spot Jones is in this morning.

    thanks!

    injured? opt out?

  44. DBO says:

    Zona over at Copper and Blue with the interesting 2 offer sheet idea on how to push a team with cap issues or mutliple RFA’s.
    http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/4/16/4157064/dual-offer-sheets-restricted-free-agency-rfa

    Heres the compensation

    Salary Range Compensation

    $ 1,024,845 No Compensation
    $ 1,024,845 $ 1,552,794 2014 3rd round pick
    $ 1,552,794 $ 3,105,684 2014 2nd round pick
    $ 3,105,684 $ 4,658,386 2014 1st round pick, 2014 3rd round pick

    And based on his article I like the Rangers idea. Two big names come up that fit exactly what we need. McDonough and Hagelin (a two way underrated player).
    Offer McDonough top end of the 1st and 3rd comp, and Hagelin around $3 mill. If both are allowed to happen you spend next years 1st through 4th (the 4th being the brown deal), but you add two players in the right age and skill range that adds depth, compete and a true 1st pairing dman to play with Shultz the younger.

  45. Clay says:

    Regarding draft position – the Oilers are only 3 points out of 28th place. If the top line continues their boycott of scoring goals, there is a very real chance the team ends up with a top three draft choice.

    In my opinion, if they are something like 3rd or 4th overall, they stand a much bigger chance of having to make a tough decision. Worst-case scenario is they pick 4th, and Jones, Barkov, and MacKinnon are off the list. How do you pass on Drouin, but how do you take another tiny skilled winger?

  46. DBO says:

    Clay,

    At this point that is best case. Fall into the top 5 in the draft, followed by the dual offer sheet (comp is next years draft) to the Rangers. You add 3 more impact guys, gives you the ability to move out a Hemsky or Gagner if needed. Depth improves. Happy day!!!!

  47. cabbiesmacker says:

    All I know is I’m damned glad MacT was made this teams GM yesterday. If he hadn’t been we may have lost him to one of the 29 teams lined up for his services.

    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

  48. DBO says:

    Dan Tencer ‏@dantencer 17s
    Krueger says that Lander will start at center with Horcoff and Hartikainen on the wings…interesting.

  49. Hammers says:

    Clay,

    Easy . Take best player or listen to offers if you move down 1 or 2 spots .

  50. Bag of Pucks says:

    Serious question. How long does Tambellini assess whether or not to move out of Edmonton now?

    I go to a fair few Oil Kings games and having him to watch him scout games from the stands now would be really embarrassing.

  51. Jordan says:

    One of two things is going on with these lines:

    Either they’ve decided Status Quo just won’t go,…

    or

    They’re actually trying to tank this baby by ruining our best line and filling out the rest with untested players…

    I’m a bad fan… I’m hoping for the latter….

  52. Jordan says:

    Clay:
    Regarding draft position – the Oilers are only 3 points out of 28th place.If the top line continues their boycott of scoring goals, there is a very real chance the team ends up with a top three draft choice.

    In my opinion, if they are something like 3rd or 4th overall, they stand a much bigger chance of having to make a tough decision.Worst-case scenario is they pick 4th, and Jones, Barkov, and MacKinnon are off the list.How do you pass on Drouin, but how do you take another tiny skilled winger?

    You Trade it, Marincin, and Hemsky to Montreal so they can take Drouin and you welcome Mr. Subban in Oilers silks.

  53. Henry says:

    DBO:
    Zona over at Copper and Blue with the interesting 2 offer sheet idea on how to push a team with cap issues or mutliple RFA’s.
    http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/4/16/4157064/dual-offer-sheets-restricted-free-agency-rfa

    Heres the compensation

    Salary RangeCompensation

    $ 1,024,845No Compensation
    $ 1,024,845$ 1,552,7942014 3rd round pick
    $ 1,552,794$ 3,105,6842014 2nd round pick
    $ 3,105,684$ 4,658,3862014 1st round pick, 2014 3rd round pick

    And based on his article I like the Rangers idea. Two big names come up that fit exactly what we need. McDonough and Hagelin (a two way underrated player).
    Offer McDonough top end of the 1st and 3rd comp, and Hagelin around $3 mill. If both are allowed to happen you spend next years 1st through 4th (the 4th being the brown deal), but you add two players in the right age and skill range that adds depth, compete and a true 1st pairing dman to play with Shultz the younger.

    Those players would be nice, but I doubt MacLowe would target Sather’s team. Maybe with a trade though.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    One of the problems to the race to the bottom is that we have a couple of games in hand on most of these teams. That’s going to make the job tougher.

    Is there any thought to giving Rajala a cup in the final few games?

  55. regwald says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: thanks!

    injured? opt out?

    Attending a family funeral as per twitter (sorry, can’t remember who tweeted it). Will play tonight.

  56. commonfan14 says:

    Wes Mantooth-11: Can the Oilers send Paajarvi back down for the Barons playoff drive? This should happen soon.

    Ending the year with AHL paycheques instead of NHL ones is not a great way to thank a guy for starting to turn the corner.

  57. Ice Sage says:

    DBO: Dan Tencer ‏@dantencer 17sKrueger says that Lander will start at center with Horcoff and Hartikainen on the wings…interesting.

    Man o man – shake up at the top = shake up at ice level.
    Why is Krueger doing this now? Has his ‘sudden loss of coaching accumen’ over the last 4-5 games been a deliberate, passive-aggressive signal to management? For all his warts, MacT has coaching experience and understands the need for real players and how a coach should deploy them (see Murray, Rem or Winchester, Brad) – he will speak the language and Krueger’s pleas will be underrstood

    Love games like tonight – no way to lose

  58. art vandelay says:

    mumbai max,

    Marginally plausible in rotisserie hockey, maybe.

  59. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    regwald: Attending a family funeral as per twitter (sorry, can’t remember who tweeted it). Will play tonight.

    thanks.

    they should give him the night off and sit RNH out for the rest of the season to check on that shoulder….

    shut it down.

    Hell, call up Abney, Eager and Hordichuk!!

  60. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    commonfan14,

    Starting to turn what corner? Are you honestly suggesting that Paajarvi his 11 points and -6 rating are getting better!

    Would it not make sense to let him play in meaningful games, no?

  61. vesci says:

    DBO:
    Zona over at Copper and Blue with the interesting 2 offer sheet idea on how to push a team with cap issues or mutliple RFA’s.
    http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/4/16/4157064/dual-offer-sheets-restricted-free-agency-rfa

    Heres the compensation

    Salary RangeCompensation

    $ 1,024,845No Compensation
    $ 1,024,845$ 1,552,7942014 3rd round pick
    $ 1,552,794$ 3,105,6842014 2nd round pick
    $ 3,105,684$ 4,658,3862014 1st round pick, 2014 3rd round pick

    And based on his article I like the Rangers idea. Two big names come up that fit exactly what we need. McDonough and Hagelin (a two way underrated player).
    Offer McDonough top end of the 1st and 3rd comp, and Hagelin around $3 mill. If both are allowed to happen you spend next years 1st through 4th (the 4th being the brown deal), but you add two players in the right age and skill range that adds depth, compete and a true 1st pairing dman to play with Shultz the younger.

    Good ideas but you need your own draft picks and if memory serves me the Oilers traded their Third rounder for Fistric?

  62. Bag of Pucks says:

    To bring us full circle on this soap opera of a management team and their machinations this season, fair to expect a final ‘you develop a past’ post on Kevin Lowe?

  63. FastOil says:

    Jordan:
    One of two things is going on with these lines:

    Either they’ve decided Status Quo just won’t go,…

    or

    They’re actually trying to tank this baby by ruining our best line and filling out the rest with untested players…

    I’m a bad fan… I’m hoping for the latter….

    I think you’re a smart fan for hoping for one of the elite picks out of a ruined year. Might as well make it worth something. Getting a crappy pick would make it a complete waste of everyone’s time that it counts the most for – players & fans.

  64. Kitchener says:

    The Plan for this season’s games should be to simultaneously:

    1) Learn as much as possible. (chemistry experiments; cups of coffee)
    2) Lose as much as possible.
    3) Preserve the positive “culture change” as much as possible.

    Possible tactics to achieve this:

    1) Let Dubnyk choose between a charlie horse, “family emergency”, sunburn, or the flu. Find a way to keep him out of the crease.
    2) Play Peckham, Teubert, Plante, Roy, VV, etc. Let ‘em show their stuff.
    3) Shuffle the lines, ensuring bad chemistry but good learning experiences.
    4) Keep Yak in his current role.
    5) Try Hall at center.
    6) Keep Rajala in OKC this year. (Don’t mess with a huge step forward. Wait until ’13-14 for a cup in Edmonton.)

  65. Clay says:

    Jordan: You Trade it, Marincin, and Hemsky to Montreal so they can take Drouin and you welcome Mr. Subban in Oilers silks.

    I don’t think that’s enough to pry Subban out of MTL.

  66. Minister D- says:

    On tonight’s possible lines: MacT’s first bit of GM (gerrymandering? got milk?) business was to remind Krueger how a blender works.

    MacT: “Ok, Ralph, [rummaging in Rexall basement storage locker]… Ok, ah, here it is….now that I’m steering the ship I’ll tell you right now that it’s a good idea to use one of these [whips out dusty blender]. You see, you have your players here, and you shove’m in this thing here and you BLEND that shit until it looks like a blueberry smoothie. Who doesn’t like blueberry smoothies? I mean, come on, they’re delicious!”

    Krueger: “Which button is the Motivator?”

    MacT: “[stares blankly] …….. the Blender goes to 11.”

  67. FastOil says:

    Clay: I don’t think that’s enough to pry Subban out of MTL.

    Only if there was a problem there, which there isn’t it seems and Bergevin seems sharp.

  68. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    From the 30 thoughts aisle:

    3. Yakupov: This is purely my opinion, but I think Edmonton would listen to a massive offer. It’s nothing against the player, it’s more about circumstance. To get quality, you have to give up quality. If MacTavish really wants to make a bold, aggressive move, this is the name on the roster that fits. But the trade would have to be spectacular.

    Good god no!!! This will be a stabbing fork in eyes kind of situation. Never trade him.

    25. The word on the San Jose Sharks, after all their trades: “Much faster. Rejuvenated.”

    Who would have thought dumping dead weight for useful picks would add some levity to the team? Too bad we didn’t try that.

  69. FrankenOil says:

    I apologize if this has been posted before but, Zona has compiled a consensus top-100 over at nhlnumbers:

    http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/4/13/2013-nhl-draft-rankings-seth-jones-valeri-nichushkin

    I noticed an interesting name at #73. Apparently John McCaron has a bigger, little brother.

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=135703

  70. thebiggestmanintheworld says:

    pboy: Kevin Lowe probably should be in the Hall of Fame as a player. If he played his career with the Leafs or Habs he would be in already. Book it. 432 points1254 games6 Stanley CupsKing Clancy Award winner7 All Star selections1 Canada Cup Team & if he wasn’t hurt in 1987, it would have been 2 Canada Cup Teams (equivalent of making the Olympic team now)Very, very good player. Terrible, terrible manager.

    I know how good he is. The fact that he is still not in the Hall says something, no?

    Why did it take Pavel Bure so long?

    I don’t know if its true or justified, but with his resume, there is only a couple of reasons he wouldn’t be in there….

  71. Clay says:

    FastOil: Only if there was a problem there, which there isn’t it seems and Bergevin seems sharp.

    Exactly. I don’t think Subban has proven he’s one of the top 5 dmen in the league yet, but he might be. To trade him away now could cost Bergevin his job.

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    From the 30 thoughts aisle:

    3. Yakupov: This is purely my opinion, but I think Edmonton would listen to a massive offer. It’s nothing against the player, it’s more about circumstance. To get quality, you have to give up quality. If MacTavish really wants to make a bold, aggressive move, this is the name on the roster that fits. But the trade would have to be spectacular.

    Good god no!!! This will be a stabbing fork in eyes kind of situation. Never trade him.

    I think that the biggest ticket item that the Oilers need to acquire to be a contender is a true #1 dman. And I also believe that, in order to get that, one of the four Golden Children will be going the other way.

    So to be realistic, if Oiler fans want to see the likes of Weber, Subban, Suter, or even Pietrangelo, Myers, Yandle or OEL, one of 64, 4, 14, or 93 are going the other way.

    There are 29 other GMs that know exactly what the greatest need of this team is, and I don’t see a single one of them who have any reason to do the Oilers any favours.

  72. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Clay: Exactly.I don’t think Subban has proven he’s one of the top 5 dmen in the league yet, but he might be.To trade him away now could cost Bergevin his job.

    I think that the biggest ticket item that the Oilers need to acquire to be a contender is a true #1 dman.And I also believe that, in order to get that, one of the four Golden Children will be going the other way.

    So to be realistic, if Oiler fans want to see the likes of Weber, Subban, Suter, or even Pietrangelo, Myers, Yandle or OEL, one of 64, 4, 14, or 93 are going the other way.

    There are 29 other GMs that know exactly what the greatest need of this team is, and I don’t see a single one of them who have any reason to do the Oilers any favours.

    if it’s absolutely got to be a trade and absolutely only for one of the kids…. 14 is the only option I can see.

    His contract is a a shade big, he’s probably overvalued by everyone a touch and I think he has the least chance of being truly, consistently great.

  73. ashley says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Trading first overall players rarely happens. I wouldn’t trade any one of them for anything but another first overall caliber player on ELC, or elite talent under contract. This year’s first or second overall pick, for example. Perhaps Ovechkin or Stamkos. Things like Suter, Weber, Pietrangelo, Yandle, Subban are serious underpayments for one of our first overalls and would pave the way for MacT’s dismissal in two short years.

    Regarding San Jose. Many here on LT wanted badly to trade for Clowe! And sometimes Gagner going the other way no less.

  74. FastOil says:

    Clay: Exactly.I don’t think Subban has proven he’s one of the top 5 dmen in the league yet, but he might be.To trade him away now could cost Bergevin his job.

    I think that the biggest ticket item that the Oilers need to acquire to be a contender is a true #1 dman.And I also believe that, in order to get that, one of the four Golden Children will be going the other way.

    So to be realistic, if Oiler fans want to see the likes of Weber, Subban, Suter, or even Pietrangelo, Myers, Yandle or OEL, one of 64, 4, 14, or 93 are going the other way.

    There are 29 other GMs that know exactly what the greatest need of this team is, and I don’t see a single one of them who have any reason to do the Oilers any favours.

    Hopefully the cap issues forces their hands. Lowe was smart to anticipate this and put in a GM who might actually do something in this once in a bargaining contract unique summer.

    He deserves credit for that, because Tambellini’s record says he would miss the boat and it isn’t docking again for a long time.

  75. speeds says:

    Wes Mantooth-11:
    The Oilers may even end up with the third overall pick, I really only see one game they might win the rest of the way.

    Can the Oilers send Paajarvi back down for the Barons playoff drive? This should happen soon.

    They could, but probably not at the end of the year. Paajarvi only has something like 3 games left before he would have to clear waivers, so if they are looking to send him down to the AHL for the playoffs, it would have to happen pretty quickly.

  76. bookje says:

    Everybody needs to lighten up a little regarding Lowe’s poorly phrased comments about fans. Its clear that the guy was trying to say that while they care about all fans, they focus their communication efforts on those individuals who have season tickets.

    With a lot of the comments (not many here, but in newspaper comments, radio comments, other blogs, etc) I get the sense that people just spend their time waiting to be a ‘victim’ so that they rant and rave about how hard done by they are.

    Critisizing Lowe for his press conference, for his leadership, for his management, and for the success his team has not had are all fair. Playing the victim because of Lowe’s poorly phrased statement seems petty to me.

  77. bookje says:

    Kitchener:
    The Plan for this season’s games should be to simultaneously:

    1) Learn as much as possible.(chemistry experiments; cups of coffee)
    2) Lose as much as possible.
    3) Preserve the positive “culture change” as much as possible.

    Possible tactics to achieve this:

    1) Let Dubnyk choose between a charlie horse, “family emergency”, sunburn, or the flu. Find a way to keep him out of the crease.
    2) Play Peckham, Teubert, Plante, Roy, VV, etc.Let ‘em show their stuff.
    3) Shuffle the lines, ensuring bad chemistry but good learning experiences.
    4) Keep Yak in his current role.
    5) Try Hall at center.
    6) Keep Rajala in OKC this year. (Don’t mess with a huge step forward. Wait until ’13-14 for a cup in Edmonton.)

    Exactly – put NK in net – he knows how to take one for the team. Pride would probably mess Dubnyk up.

  78. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    bookje: Playing the victim because of Lowe’s poorly phrased statement seems petty to me.

    As petty as a grown man falling back on his irrelevant past successes in response to a perfectly reasonable question about his current merits?

  79. Clay says:

    …to finish my thought, if we all agree that the team desperately needs a #1 dman, then who goes the other way? I think it’s Yak.

    RNH is the only C, so he’s not going anywhere. Taylor Hall is the franchise, so him too. So you’re left with Eberle or Yak. Now, you could argue that Yak will be the better player eventually, and that may be true. But Eberle is already getting paid, so just for that fact alone, he’s less attractive. The return on Yak, however, could be tremendous.

    (Sorry for the double post – distracted by crying baby. And speaking of crying baby, my son was born 8 hours after the Oilers beat Calgary 8-2, so since he’s been alive, none of the Hall, RNH, or Eberle have gotten a single point. I’m seriously wondering if this is God’s way of telling me to find another team to cheer for…)

  80. speeds says:

    I’m not sure exactly what to make of ages when it comes to draftable players. I do agree that, all else equal, you’d prefer the younger player, but I think some of that sort of thing might need to be adjusted on a case by case basis.

    It’s true that Mantha was very close to being eligible in the 2012 draft (and Jones and Monahan weren’t that far away either). But if you found out (and I have no reason to believe this is true for Mantha, I’m just making this up for illustrative purposes as a hypothetical) that a bigger player had a really big growth spurt and was struggling like that the year before, how much do you factor that into your evaluation?

    We can talk about Mantha being close to 2012 eligible, and how one might expect more production, but a guy like Perron was eligible for the draft in 2006 and went undrafted. The next year he goes in the first round, and I’m not sure STL is really complaining about that draft choice. I realize that outliers exist, I guess all I’m saying is you have to do your homework.

  81. bookje says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: As petty as a grown man falling back on his irrelevant past successes in response to a perfectly reasonable question about his current merits?

    Probably not as petty as that. As noted, there is lots to criticise Lowe for in that press conference.

  82. Moose says:

    Soooo, people on here are actually talking about Keith Yandle as a #1 D-Man? Should probably spend a little less time with the “sort by salary” button on CapGeek, and a little more time at Behind The Net and/or watching the guy play.

  83. bookje says:

    Unrelated to hockey, but I love sports stories like this. Some 28 year old guy from Norway who put a video of some pretty awesome placingkicking on youtube last year just got signed by the Detroit Lions. Basically, he is a guy who practiced in his backyard and local fields doing placekicking and ‘trick kicking’ who now is going to at least make some good cash in the NFL.

    Here is the video and story

  84. ashley says:

    We are suckers for punishment. After getting our hopes up and dashed for the playoffs a few weeks ago, now we have posters here getting their hopes up for a top 3 pick which has to be considered a long shot.

    It looks like we’ll be picking 8-12, and planning for that will not leave us all wildly disappointed. Again.

  85. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookje:
    Critisizing Lowe for his press conference, for his leadership, for his management, and for the success his team has not had are all fair.Playing the victim because of Lowe’s poorly phrased statement seems petty to me.

    What about spelling errors mister? Budgie. Boojie. Bookie. If I laugh and point fingers is that petty?

  86. bookje says:

    cabbiesmacker: What about spelling errors mister? Budgie. Boojie. Bookie. If I laugh and point fingers is that petty?

    If it’s “Loose” for “Lose” or “Looser” for “Loser” than anything is fair game – including advanced interrogation techniques.

  87. regwald says:

    Anyone else that think a 6 yr $31.8M extension for Howard is a bit high ?

  88. Kitchener says:

    This is the least glamorous year in the “getting better” phase. A 20-25 finish yields no playoffs and no top 5 pick. I agree that a top 4 pick would be awesome, but a 20-25 place finish and some wins down the stretch is a big win too. Missing the playoffs by 2-4 points would be an excellent motivator for everyone’s offseason workouts.

    Tambo is still under contract, so the lottery may still be ours.

  89. FrankenOil says:

    Anyone know much about this SHea Theodore kid? LH d-man, 6’2″, doesn’t turn 18 until August and went:

    71GP 19G 31A 50Pts 32PIM -24

    The +/- is worrisome but the team did go -76 overall. I’d love more info on the kid if anyone has any.

  90. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookje: If it’s “Loose” for “Lose” or “Looser” for “Loser”than anything is fair game – including advanced interrogation techniques.

    We might as well re-sign ourselves to those words always being misused.

    No point crittisizing, critiseyezing, suttle errors.

  91. denny33 says:

    Clay,

    I like what you are saying because you are the first person to acknowledge the price that would have to be paid in order to extract some of the names being thrown around here….

    Having said all that – I am just not sure anyone is willing to trade a top #1 D guy. I don’t think Weber is going anywhere. Habs are not trading Subban.

    Having said that – Winnipeg is rumoured to shop Dustin Byfuglien this summer.

    Zack Bogosian has stepped up to the plate and is set to make a boat load this summer.

    Tobias Enstrom ( a name I have mentioned before here ) is already making nearly 6 million per year.

    Dustin makes 5.2 million….and Jacob Trouba has come out of college early and the Jets feel he is the best defenceman of his age group ( remember WJC )

    That looks to be an expensive blue line and the Jets are DESPERATE for offensive punch up front…

    Just throwing out the possibility….

  92. russ99 says:

    Yak has more upside than Eberle and is on his ELC, plus he has a Hall-like passion for the game.

    No way Yak is moved before Eberle.

  93. bookje says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    C’s that sound like S’s are stupid. They are not real C’s. There are two classes of C’s, those that sound like K’s (real C’s) and those that sound like S’s (not real C’s).

    As for the z vs s, either are acceptable. One is British and one is American – Canadians are bilingual and therefore are free to use either.

  94. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookje:
    cabbiesmacker,

    C’s that sound like S’s are stupid.They are not real C’s.There are two classes of C’s, those that sound like K’s (real C’s) and those that sound like S’s (not real C’s).

    As for the z vs s, either are acceptable.One is British and one is American – Canadians are bilingual and therefore are free to use either.

    You’re so warped I understand you perfectly. Carry on my good man.

  95. DBO says:

    so the big move/trade etc. Seems like all agree it could be either Yak or Eberle. If so II hope for Eberle. I think he is a great, but he is not the driver but rides shotgun really well. He will score 30 – 40 per year, but carries way more cap hit for a few years. And Yak’s compete, grit level seems to be higher, which may give him the edge.

    So would it be a Lucic for Eberle type of trade? not enough? too much? Same dollars, both can have big impact on a game, both add something different. That instantly changes the “compete level and grit with skill level”.Not saying I do it. but it may make sense based on comments from the presser.

  96. cabbiesmacker says:

    russ99:
    Yak has more upside than Eberle and is on his ELC,

    How do you know that Russ? Has Ebs peaked ya think or are you saying Yak’s ELC would be the only reason he’d be the one staying?

    Why strip the right wing when the team has 2 more years of Yak for cheap on top of 6 year Eberle? Hemsky’s gone in a year at which point we have 2 solid RW options. Work is required at C where we have 2 1/2 equiv’s and at LW where we have a stud but then a huge drop off down to 3 and 4 spots.

    One centre. One LW. Two D and a back up goalie. Presto.

  97. DBO says:

    Trade Eberle for Lucic and something else. Make big run at Clarkson

    Hall-Nuge-Clarkson
    Lucic-Gagner-Yakupov
    Paajarvi-Lander-Hartikainen
    Smyth-Horcoff-Brown

    Fun

  98. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Mr DeBakey: Penner suffered from The Big M Syndrome.
    Whereas Pouliot had a bad case Béliveau Light. Very, very light.

    Actually, Pouliot was the prototype of the modern model Béliveau Zero.

  99. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Actually, Pouliot was the prototype of the modern model Béliveau Zero.

    Lowetide never fills his card at bingo halls because he’s still waiting for them to call B0.

  100. Rondo says:

    I guess Antoine Laganiere was too big of a forward for Edmonton, he signs with Anaheim

  101. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Speaking of cross-era comps, if Lowe played in an earlier time his name might have been Allan Stanley or Jacques Laperierre and he might well be in the Hall. Annual restrictions of numbers of elected players across a Much larger NHL has caused a reduction of defence-first type players to be inducted IMO.

    I’ll tell you this much: back in the day I wouldn’t have traded Kevin Lowe for two Dino Ciccarellis. And today guess which one is in the Hall. These days a one-dimensional player (232 career PPG, 1 SHG) has a better chance of making it if that one dimension is offence.

  102. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    ” a one-dimensional player (232 career PPG, 1 SHG) has a better chance of making it if that one dimension is offence.”

    Bruce McCurdy,

    In all sports. See Trammel, Allen

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Trammell#Hall_of_Fame_eligibility

  103. Captain Obvious says:

    The sad thing is that in terms of being in a good cap position the Oilers have a window of only one year. They not only have to make the playoffs next year they have to challenge for the Stanley Cup. Two years from now they are going to be like every other good team having to make tough decisions about which big contracts to keep. Next year is the last year of playing with house money.

    I agree with Bookje that the Lowe stuff regarding the fans is being blown way out of proportion. You all know, or should know, what he means. Moreover, he’s mostly right on this issue. The Oilers don’t suck because they don’t care about the fans. They suck because they are terrible at their jobs.

  104. jonrmcleod says:

    bookje,

    Get rid of the soft and hard “C” sounds (“S” and “K” make them unnecessary) and give “C” the “ch” sound.

  105. Jordan says:

    FastOil,

    Clay,

    You’re probably right. After 5 years of Toonces, I can’t help but imagine all GMs are incompentant boobs poor judges of both team needs and effective NHL talent. I would also suggest that while that likely wouldn’t be enough on its own, it would be a fair starting point to negotiate from. Maybe it’s Gagner who gets moved instead. Maybe there’s another pick, or another prospect sent away too. Hell, maybe that see value in Belanger. The point is, with that kind of offer, there is likely a conversation, as opposed to a laugh and a click.

    DBO,

    DBO, I enjoy and respect a lot of what you put on here, but the last few of your lineup suggestions scare the crap out of me. I don’t like the trade, or signing the overhyped Clarkson. Bad short-term moves like that will cost the team in the long run.

  106. jonrmcleod says:

    I wouldn’t pay top dollar for a guy like Clarkson. I think the more pressing need is 2 top-4 defenders.

  107. pboy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Speaking of cross-era comps, if Lowe played in an earlier time his name might have been Allan Stanley or Jacques Laperierre and he might well be in the Hall. Annual restrictions of numbers of elected players across a Much larger NHL has caused a reduction of defence-first type players to be inducted IMO. I’ll tell you this much: back in the day I wouldn’t have traded Kevin Lowe for two Dino Ciccarellis. And today guess which one is in the Hall. These days a one-dimensional player (232 career PPG, 1 SHG) has a better chance of making it if that one dimension is offence.

    Agreed completely, very nice post.

  108. denny33 says:

    Best written word on the Edmonton Oilers recent , er, shuffle at the top:

    Robert Tychkowski – Edmonton Sun:

    Steve Tambellini has been fired for his inability to clean up the mess left behind by Lowe, Craig MacTavish and Scott Howson, a task so daunting that owner Daryl Katz decided it can only be tackled by Lowe, MacTavish and Howson.

  109. Bad Seed says:

    Not sure if this has been said but I think Lowe was caught unawares when Spector & Mckinnon piled on. When has that ever happened to him? He’s Kevin Fuckin’ Lowe – him & his 6 rings are to be worshipped. When has the msm in this town ever asked a tough question toward any of the Oilers brass? I hope it keeps up.

  110. oilersfan says:

    i totally understand the vitriol in the press for Kevin Lowe but what did Mactavish do to deserve being thrown under the bus with him? Maybe won’t be a good gm but the team only finished in the bottom 20 once under his watch, that dreadful time after Smyth was traded and they had all their dmen injured. other than that, the team fell in the elevator shaft after he was fired. doesn’t make any sense for him to get thrown under the bus with Lowe and to a lesser extent Howson.

  111. FastOil says:

    denny33:
    Best written word on the Edmonton Oilers recent , er, shuffle at the top:

    Robert Tychkowski – Edmonton Sun:

    Steve Tambellini has been fired for his inability to clean up the mess left behind by Lowe, Craig MacTavish and Scott Howson, a task so daunting that owner Daryl Katz decided it can only be tackled by Lowe, MacTavish and Howson.

    It’s like with a puppy, you have to make them smell it so they know not to do it again, except Katz waited too long so they won’t get the lesson.

    The big difference now is that there are going to be attempts at change, and players that have trouble with one on one battles, normal NHL skills like passing, forechecking and breakouts, and possession when not under Hall’s wing so to speak will be stepping on the launch pad.

    There are 3 arguably first line RW now. I think Hemsky will be moving along. If they keep Hemsky for whatever reason Eberle would be next because Yak is far more fierce, has that shot and is blazing fast.

    Gagner is still going to be on the ropes if they draft MacK or Barkov (IF, they still might get there). My money goes on two of Gagner, Hemsky and Eberle. The draft and any signings will determine who they will move and when.

  112. Bag of Pucks says:

    In honour of KLowe’s Reign of Error continuing, its seems a convenient occasion to reminisce on some of the illustrious leader’s most memorable management miscues/pr gaffes.

    1. Comrie cashback demand costs club Corey Perry
    2 Trades face-of-the-franchise Ryan Smyth for Islander castoffs over contract squabble
    3. Offer sheets Dustin Penner
    4. Calls Anaheim a ‘pathetic’ hockey market & Bobby Ryan a questionable pick.
    5. Goes Captain Ahab on Thomas Vanek, Mikael Nylander, Dany Heatley
    6. Says so long to Curtis Glencross and Kyle Brodziak.
    7. Gets Joffrey Lupul as centerpiece of Pronger trade.
    8. Comrie contract sends away talented C for Jeff Woywitka
    9. Shawn Horcoff contract / Fernando Pisani contract / Ethan Moreau contract
    10. Fails to resign D Jaroslav Spacek (Buffalo), F Michael Peca (Toronto), F Georges Laraque (Phoenix), F Sergei Samsonov (Montreal), F Radek Dvorak (St. Louis), D Dick Tarnstrom (Europe), F Rem Murray (Europe), G Ty Conklin (Columbus) from Cinderella 2006 team

  113. asiaoil says:

    denny33:
    Best written word on the Edmonton Oilers recent , er, shuffle at the top:

    Robert Tychkowski – Edmonton Sun:

    Steve Tambellini has been fired for his inability to clean up the mess left behind by Lowe, Craig MacTavish and Scott Howson, a task so daunting that owner Daryl Katz decided it can only be tackled by Lowe, MacTavish and Howson.

    Truth…..

    By record and reputation Kevin Lowe is one of the worst hockey executives in the NHL. All that bluster about success in another field (player) 25 years ago was embarrassing

    Scott Howson was just fired by one of the worst franchises in the NHL – nuff said

    Craig McTavish has almost zero mgmt background and experience and was already fired by this franchise

    The pro scouting team is a widely recognized joke and a demonstrable failure in terms of record

    Assistant coaches were hired in basis of their relationship to the GM and bring nothing to the table in terms of supporting the coach and players or winning

    Coach is inexperienced although bright (even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally)

    Amateur scouting is modestly successful but uneven in terms of success (upper mgmt meddling?)

    So exactly what is anyone supposed to be excited about? These guys will likely go big game hunting again and fumble a big trade (deal the wrong guy in exchange for poorer player being paid too much). There is nothing to suggest anything has changed – and if we get sub-average goaltending next season (always possible) or a bad string of injuries on defense or top line – then we will be chatting about prospects in April again next year………..book it.

  114. FrankenOil says:

    With MacT back and in charge, is there anyway he can bring back one of the more useful “BoB” in Charlie Huddy to help re-shape this blueline? Offer him the Associate Coach title (that I believe is still vacant since Krueger never replaced himself) and maybe make him one ofg the highest paid assistants in the NHL? To me, he would be enough as a blueline upgrade over next year even if we brought back the same group. Of all Tambo’s pro level bungles, not retaining Huddy stands, easily, as one of the worst.

  115. cabbiesmacker says:

    FastOil:

    . If they keep Hemsky for whatever reason Eberle would be next because Yak is far more fierce, has that shot and is blazing fast.

    You see Yakupov as fast compared to Eberle? I actually don’t think he’s a great skater at all, doesn’t have much power in his stride, and hope he spends the summer in Edmonton under Serdachny’s tutelage.

    His conditioning at the start of the season looked rough too. He consistently died after one good burst. It’s been better the past 10 games though.

  116. oilersfan says:

    I have a hard time seeing the Oilers draft below 7th. while they are playing poorly and will likely continue to lose more than they win, the teams below them are every bit as likely to lose most of their remaining games. I have been cheering for the oilers to fall below teams like Tampa, Carolina, Nashville, etc, but every game I watch in the scoreboard watching those teams lose, too.

    I still think Monahan might be there at 7 though, given the love for Nicushkin and possibly Lindham.

  117. Rondo says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    After some thought I would trade Jordan Eberle for Adam Larsson.

  118. Bad Seed says:

    oilersfan:
    I have a hard time seeing the Oilers draft below 7th. while they are playing poorly and will likely continue to lose more than they win, the teams below them are every bit as likely to lose most of their remaining games. I have been cheering for the oilers to fall below teams like Tampa, Carolina, Nashville, etc, but every game I watch in the scoreboard watching those teams lose, too.

    I still think Monahan might be there at 7 though, given the love for Nicushkin and possibly Lindham.

    C’mon now. If there’s anything the Oilers are great at is closing the deal for a good pick. There’s no team better! We may end up with Mackinnon!

  119. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    oilersfan:
    i totally understand the vitriol in the press for Kevin Lowe but what did Mactavish do to deserve being thrown under the bus with him? Maybe won’t be a good gm but the team only finished in the bottom 20 once under his watch, that dreadful time after Smyth was traded and they had all their dmen injured. other than that, the team fell in the elevator shaft after he was fired. doesn’t make any sense for him to get thrown under the bus with Lowe and to a lesser extent Howson.

    Howson has got to be rooting for quick progress for the Oil and the Jackets and an invite to GM somewhere. If things get ugly, Lowe retires, MacT become Katz’s ring man, and a GM comes in from outside with a big broom.

  120. leadfarmer says:

    Whats the over/under on Katz finally getting sick of this gong show and cleaning house. I’m guessing 4 years. I know LT you kind of like the GM change but I hate it. Here’s the reasons why.
    1. MacT has no GM experience. Getting MBA does not equal experience.
    2. MacT is a convicted fellon and should not be allowed to have any coaching or GM job in the first place.
    3. The big decisions were made by consensus of the “minds”, which all should be faulted for decisions
    4. Puts Howson next in line for who wants to be worse GM than Tambo.
    5. Did not even try to find a new GM outside the good ol’ boys club.
    6. Another Yes man to Lowe
    7. Keeps the pro scouts in place that must have suggested these horrible acquisitions in the first place.

    I would only be happy with a clean house. Krueger can stay for now until a replacement GM can get situated and analyze the situation. I am even against drafting Lazar even if he is BPA at the draft, just because this inbreeding in this organization has got to stop.

    And yes, Lowe was a very good player, but how many cups would he have won on Detroit’s team in the 80s: Zero. He was a very good player on a team with many great players. Someone should remind him.

    Pardon the rant LT.

  121. DBO says:

    Jordan,

    Appreciate it, and I agree. I don’t want those moves, but i still think that is what the org ends up doing. Bold, yes. Stupid, maybe. Just prepping the readers for the inevitable “we have a few guys who have simialr skills, but when you get a chance to get a player like Lucic you have to do it”.

  122. godot10 says:

    ashley:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Trading first overall players rarely happens.

    Note: I don’t endorse trading anyone of the Oilers #1′ s at this point, nor Eberle, nor Paajarvi.

    1) Eric Johnson
    2) Rick Nash
    3) I. Kovalchuk
    4) Patrik Stephan
    5) Joe Thornton
    6) Ed Jovanovski
    7) Roman Hamrlik
    8) Eric Lindros
    9) Matt Sundin
    10) Owen Nolan

    2nd Overalls

    1) Jordan Stall
    2) James van Riemsdyk
    3) Kari Lehtonen
    4) Dany Heatley
    5) Andrei Zyuzin
    6) O. Tverdosky
    7) A. Yashin
    8) Chris Pronger
    9) Pat Falloon

    Actually 30-40% of the time over the last 20 years.

  123. hags9k says:

    Can Mantha fight? 50 goals with that size really becomes crazy good if he can throw em.

  124. hockeyguy10 says:

    Woodguy,

    You might enjoy this.

    Brian Lawton ‏@brianlawton9 3m What do you think of this story? Does the math lie…..me thinks it doesn’t but this is still interesting! @NHL http://www.sportsnet.ca/blogs/fanfuel/fan-fuel-on-advanced-stats-capitals-hot-streak-pdo-corsi-fenwick-close-percentage/

  125. TheOtherJohn says:

    ashley: Romulus Apotheosis, Trading first overall players rarely happens. I wouldn’t trade any one of them for anything but another first overall caliber player on ELC, or elite talent under contract. This year’s first or second overall pick, for example. Perhaps Ovechkin or Stamkos. Things like Suter, Weber, Pietrangelo, Yandle, Subban are serious underpayments for one of our first overalls and would pave the way for MacT’s dismissal in two short years.Regarding San Jose. Many here on LT wanted badly to trade for Clowe! And sometimes Gagner going the other way no less.

    Ashley

    When I saw your comment re 1st overall and thought, I think there were some 1st overall picks that got traded. Looked and was very surprised that lots of them got traded. That list since 1990 includes: Eric Lindros,Roman Hamrlik, Alexandre Daigle, Ed Jovanovski, Bryan Berard * doesn’t count eye injury, Joe Thornton, Rick Nash and Erik Johnson. Thats a lot. More than I expected

    If we are looking for a true #1 D man, not the weaker partner on a top pairing , those guys are in extremely short supply and will cost alot. There are less than 30 in the NHL and way more forwards, even former 1st overall. That said I would not trade Hall, would need a GREAT!!! deal to trade YAK, and at some point we really do need centres so RNH is safe too. Everybody else is, I think, in play.. I also do not think Gagner gets you a top pairing guy little alone a #1. Eberele gees you a a real ggod top pairing guy but maybe not a #1. I’d go Eberle and Petry for a true 25 minute youbng gun #1D Stud.

    Could not agree more with whoever skewered Yandle. You have to watch him 4-5 times to appreciate it all. Great play, chaos!! He is a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy that kills it on PP. He is definitely a “high event ” defensemen from the Dick Tarnstrom school. A 4 or 5.

    As to “pining” for a very low draft pick, I expect the math was more realistic than the “pining” for a playoff spot. I.e. both events are/were remote but not sure the low draft pick is any more remote than the “playoffs here we come”

  126. godot10 says:

    I don’t approve of whalte-hunting for a #1 D. I’d prefer looking for two competent affordable top 4 D.

    Offer sheet Gunnarsson and/or McDonagh, or something like than if you can’t arrange a trade.

    I would do Hemsky-Plus for Yandle, but Phoenix seemed entirely interested in that all this season, even though they had an offensive need, so I doubt it would ever happen. (It is delusional to think they would ever trade OEL. Ditto for Nashville trading Weber.)

    Clarkson is NOT value for money anymore. He is going to get paid. Those players are for already contending teams. It is MacT’s job to find the NEXT Clarkson, not the current one.

    The problem with blogosphere GM’s is that the focus is on existing players, where a real GM should and has to focus on emerging players. Until one is actually contending, one has to focus on value-for-money. In the final push for contention, than one can pay full value on an established free agent.

  127. 106 and 106 says:

    “Eberle, two first’s, Omark for Weber.”

    WEBER is not the only #1 D out there. Jesus, boys. Your just as narrow minded as Tambo was.

    This is not NHL 2009 (EA Sports).

  128. cabbiesmacker says:

    Rondo:
    cabbiesmacker,

    After some thought I would trade Jordan Eberle for Adam Larsson.

    Nope. What has Mrs Larsson’s son done that has you love him so?

    Some folks around here awfully quick to dismiss 76 points. Minus RNH and Hall for damn big chunks of it too. How many other players have scored like that at his age?

  129. BlacqueJacque says:

    leadfarmer,

    Oh good grief, will you give up with #2? I stopped reading right there because it is such a petty thing to say.

  130. cabbiesmacker says:

    106 and 106:
    “Eberle, two first’s, Omark for Weber.”

    WEBER is not the only #1 D out there. Jesus, boys. Your just as narrow minded as Tambo was.

    This is not NHL 2009 (EA Sports).

    Let’s be serious here for a moment.

    Hall, Yak, 2013 first rounder, Petry, Schmid, a grilled cheese paninni and a 30 minute fisting

    for Shea Webber

  131. dangilitis says:

    I understand the irony of the comment, but please, everybody, stop talking about Clarkson. It’s bad enough that idiots like Gregor are using the media to publicize ideas like trading Yakupov for Clarkson, but even the mere thought of signing him makes me want to puke. Has anyone noticed that he has completely disappeared? 5 points in last 28 games. For those of you keeping track, that’s just one more point than Jerred Smithson in the same time frame. We have enough guys in this lineup who are MIA for long stretches, do not need another one, and certainly not at a price tag of more than 1.5 million (he will likely be offered 3-4). His best season is now last season (on pace for less finally), and will only continue to decline at the age of 29 and given what his type of game entails. If MacT signs this guy I will officially give up on any hopes that an MBA is a useful degree (and my wife has one)…

  132. cabbiesmacker says:

    godot10:

    Offer sheet McDonagh,

    Now that would be damn fine entertainment. Poor Slats

  133. TheOtherJohn says:

    Goshdarn it Godot quit out typing my ideas.

    Bruce

    Without some of the advanced stats we will never know where precisely Lowe would actually fit. A real good defensive D man no Q whatsoever who was fortunate enough to play with Gretzky W & Messier M. Henri Richard won 11 titles and I suspect he was not the straw that stirred any of the Habs drinks on any one of those teams.

    Better than Dino Ciccarelli……. Lowe is WAY better than that. He’s better than Dick Duff too

    Best impact player that directly affected winning in team sports is Bill Russell with 11 Championships

  134. leadfarmer says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    Why, because if you or I did what he, or Vick, or Ray Lewis did, we would either be still in jail or flipping burgers at a nearby fast food restaurant with the highest attainable position being not working the midnight shift.

  135. hunter1909 says:

    bookje: Critisizing Lowe for his press conference, for his leadership, for his management, and for the success his team has not had are all fair. Playing the victim because of Lowe’s poorly phrased statement seems petty to me.

    I agree. Because Lowe exudes class, and as such deserves to be treated with the respect due a 6x cup winner. And mentioning his attempted shake down of Mike Comrie has no place in a pure hockey chat either.

    Gretzky = 4 cups
    Lowe = 6 cups

  136. ASkoreyko says:

    leadfarmer,

    Hopefully #2 gets that post deleted.

    Also I am glad LT has finally discovered Christina!

  137. hunter1909 says:

    bookje: If it’s “Loose” for “Lose”

    If keyboards and phones were programmed to blow up whenever this happened, the world would soon return to normal.

  138. Woodguy says:

    hockeyguy10,

    I agree with the post, WAS is a mirage.

    I posted then fenclose since March 1 of all NHL teams here:

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/04/feels-like-home.html/comment-page-1#comment-223845

    WAS was .467 or so, which isn’t a winning number.

    Similar to the Leafs, who are riding SV% and SH% harder than any team this year, much like MIN in the first half of last year.

    Also,

    If NYR finishes 8th and PIT finishes 1st, take NYR.

  139. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy,

    Also,

    I will run the fenclose again once the season is done for the last 20 games.

    I’d look hard at WAS as to when they put Ovi back with Backstrom and see if it helped the fenclose.

  140. Ducey says:

    cabbiesmacker: Let’s be serious here for a moment.

    Hall, Yak, 2013 first rounder, Petry, Schmid, a grilled cheese paninni and a 30 minute fisting

    for Shea Webber

    Throw in a nice dill pickle and I am sure NSH will find that an attractive offer (depending upon who is getting fisted) but you can’t trade the 2013 1st rounder for Weber (its one b Mr Spell Check).

    He was signed July 19th (or so) and can’t be traded for a year. The draft will be over by then.

    Plus I will be sad and have no reason to watch the draft.

  141. hunter1909 says:

    oilersfan: i totally understand the vitriol in the press for Kevin Lowe but what did Mactavish do to deserve being thrown under the bus with him?

    What is being a serotonin deficient asshole? Getting fired for incompetence, then being slid in right in the face of the last GM? Being part of Katz’s tree house gang, a situation so outrageous that instead of healthy sports hatred, now the rest of the NHL pities Oiler fans because now the team’s officially in Ballard/Wirtz territory?

    The three stooges body language was incredible at that presser. They looked and behaved more like recently captured criminals than executives.

  142. Ducey says:

    That Monahan video was filled with the normal platitudes by scouts,but I noticed they said he played on a crappy team, in all situations, and logged heavy ice time.

    That cuts both ways. If he is playing 23 minutes a night and 90% of every powerplay, his numbers might not translate well.

    A guy like Lazar plays on a deep team and would seem (by my eye) to get only his fair share of TOI and PP time.

  143. FastOil says:

    cabbiesmacker: You see Yakupov as fast compared to Eberle? I actually don’t think he’s a great skater at all, doesn’t have much power in his stride, and hope he spends the summer in Edmonton under Serdachny’s tutelage.

    His conditioning at the start of the season looked rough too. He consistently died after one good burst. It’s been better the past 10 games though.

    Perhaps I’m wrong but speed was one of Yak”s abilities at draft. He had a weird year so he could be less conditioned. And for Eberle the exact opposite, average skater when drafted, which with size pushed him down the draft to us after All World Heroics.

    Eberle is agile or has good edges, but is not fast, doesn’t have the explosive first step the elite usually do. The same difference between MacKinnon and Barkov. Barkov with his size and man league experience would be ahead of MacK if he could skate better.

    Gagner is neither, looks like he played road hockey on his skates before the game to me, but many commenting here feel he’s better this year. I still think all of the deficiencies in his game except being inattentive defensively relate to his slow first step and awkward stops, starts and turns, especially for a small guy who needs that advantage over bigger players.

  144. Bag of Pucks says:

    I was thinking the hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil monkeys in LT’s pic, but you nailed it with the 3 Stooges reference. They’ve even got the haircuts to pull off Larry, Moe and Curly.

    The only logical reason I can see that this continues is Katz is an introverted wallflower desperate for approval from the cool kids, and Lowe has enough inherent survival skills to perfect the toadying sycophant routine. Match made in heaven for the two of them, and hell for Oiler fans. They should just get a room already.

  145. Ice Sage says:

    As to the game, Oilers always shine when there’s no perssure – 3-2 OT win for Lazar.

  146. cabbiesmacker says:

    Ducey: Throw in a nice dill pickle and I am sure NSH will find that an attractive offer (depending upon who is getting fisted) but you can’t trade the 2013 1st rounder for Weber (its one b Mr Spell Check).

    He was signed July 19th (or so) and can’t be traded for a year.The draft will be over by then.

    Plus I will be sad and have no reason to watch the draft.

    So you ask NSH who they want with your pick and hand it over on the 19th? There’s ways around these difficulties my friend.

    Oh and. I only spellcheck Boobie, Budgie, whatever his name is.

  147. bookje says:

    hunter1909: I agree. Because Lowe exudes class, and as such deserves to be treated with the respect due a 6x cup winner. And mentioning his attempted shake down of Mike Comrie has no place in a pure hockey chat either.

    No, its because Saddam Hussain had nothing to do with 9/11, that’s why.

  148. hunter1909 says:

    bookje,

    Lowe IS Saddam Hussein to this franchise.

  149. hunter1909 says:

    You don’t offer Yaks, Hall, multiple 1st round picks. That’s guaranteed to drive the fans insane, watching Yaks turn into a 60 goal man playing in Montreal for the next 15 years. You do what Lowe did when he actually succeeded – trade bad players for Chris Pronger.

    Of course with Yak’s chaos, he’s almost guaranteed to be first out of town once shopteacher takes over.

  150. art vandelay says:

    Trade Eberle for Lucic and something else.

    I missed Eyewitness News at 6. Did they start slipping crystal meth into the Edmonton water supply again?

  151. Woodguy says:

    Watched the presser today.

    Only caught it on the radio and missed a good chunk of it because whenever Lowe opened his mouth I either started swearing or laughing.

    Laughed a lot.

    A friend called me after the presser who I *knew* would have heard the presser and I answered the phone: “6 RINGS!!! COUNT-EM!! 6!!”

    He hadn’t heard the presser and thought I was drunk or having a stroke.

    When Lowe and Co. were told they have a terrible track record, MacT looked at the questioner and said: “I don’t think I’ve let this organization down in capacity that I represented them”

    Or something close to that.

    He’s right.

  152. jake70 says:

    Someone has likely commented on this, haven’t read all the posts but watch these guys get a GM change “bump” and play themselves out of a really really good draft pick. 0-7 please. ;-)

  153. jake70 says:

    Why does Brad May do all the Oiler hockey central shows….guy is so irritating.

  154. VanOil says:

    Just because Mgmt went back to the future, I don’t believe a return to whale hunting is needed.

    Despite the standings there is a promising future with the young players we have here.

    I just want to make the playoffs next year without mortgaging the future. Our window for success is just opening. RNH is going to be an elite 1st line center, he isn’t this year and won’t be next year. After that look out. The cap should grow in concert with our young stars salary demands getting rid of them now for an old whale makes no sense.

    Two adequate defenders, plus a Shawn Matthias class forward with Lander and Hartakeinen, we should make the playoffs. Getting rid of the deadwood seems a bigger priority.

  155. Lowetide says:

    Hi ARt!

  156. rich says:

    You can’t stop Art, you can only hope to contain him…

  157. jonrmcleod says:

    Woodguy,

    When you call Kevin Lowe, it takes six rings before going to his voicemail. “Hi, you’ve reached Kevin Lowe, owner of six Stanley Cup rings. If you’re an Oilers season ticket holder, I might call you back.”

  158. Woodguy says:

    Touch pass by Sam’s foot.

  159. cabbiesmacker says:

    The Gagner sinkhole just swallowed Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle.

  160. Lowetide says:

    Samwise needed to not do that.

  161. VanOil says:

    We don’t always have to spot the opposition the lead do we?

  162. hunter1909 says:

    Game over!

  163. SK Oiler Fan says:

    God, what a shit team. Everything about that shift was crap. Ebery guy on the ice

  164. rich says:

    Brodziak scores! Oh, wait…

    Gagner with a great clear. Whoops.

  165. jonrmcleod says:

    There goes the Lady Byng.

  166. Southern Oil says:

    I think Gagner is getting traded in the summer.

  167. Lowetide says:

    Oilers getting a penalty every time they hit everyone.

  168. Lowetide says:

    No they’re not. you’re crazy!

  169. Southern Oil says:

    Boy it’s a good think Harti was sent to the farm. We certainly didn’t need that type of energy over the past week or so.

  170. hunter1909 says:

    Horcoff will soon be a very well dressed Oilers coach, then GM.

  171. RickDeckard says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Riiiiight.

  172. Lowetide says:

    This game is boring.

  173. Smarmy says:

    I think if I was a season ticket holder the first thing I would do is sell the Coyote and Wild games. Yuck.

  174. VanOil says:

    Yakupov makes it less boring

  175. Lowetide says:

    Yakupov (Hall, Gagner)

  176. Smarmy says:

    I look forward to the post LT makes when Mac-T trades Yak.

  177. leadfarmer says:

    Damn Russians, they think tank is to go like an actual tank.

  178. hunter1909 says:

    Hall’s good enough to know how to play with Yakupov. They could keep these two together and wtf they do a lot of damage.

  179. Smarmy says:

    Nuge should center Yak and Hall. Not because it sounds cool to have a 1st overall line but Nuge’s sublime passing and vision and two god damned tanks seems unstoppable.

  180. FPB94 says:

    I can’t watch the game tonight because I’m being a good lad and doing my homework but, I can’t empeach seeing the boxscore and not thinking Brodziak will forever troll the Oilers.

  181. mike.c33 says:

    Eberle, Gagner, and Marincin to the Maples for Grabovski and Gardiner?

    RNH-Hall-Yakupov
    Grabovski-MPS-Hemsky
    xxx-Hartikainen-xxx
    Horcoff-Smyth-Brown
    Lander

    J. Schultz – Gardiner
    Petry – Smid
    N. Schultz – Klefbom
    Potter

    Dubnyk
    xxx

  182. hunter1909 says:

    Trade Hall for Brodziak, Yakupov for Glencross then some posters have nothing more to say, ever.

  183. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 15s

    First period chances: 4-6; 0-3 ST

  184. cabbiesmacker says:

    FPB94:
    I can’t watch the game tonight because I’m being a good lad and doing my homework but, I can’t empeach seeing the boxscore and not thinking Brodziak will forever troll the Oilers.

    Your team lost….again.

    Oh wait. They didn’t play.

    Well, if they HAD played they would have lost.

  185. mike.c33 says:

    Sign Stalberg, draft Lindholm (fingers crossed)?

    Trade Eberle, Gagner, and Marincin to the Maple Leafs for Grabovski and Gardiner?

    RNH-Hall-Yakupov
    Grabovski-MPS-Hemsky
    Lindholm-Hartikainen-Stalberg
    Horcoff-Smyth-Brown
    Lander

    J. Schultz-Gardiner
    Petry-Smid
    N. Schultz-Klefbom
    Potter

    Dubnyk
    xxx

    Left wing goes out, Lander slides in, and Lindholm slides to left wing.

  186. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide,

    NHL.com says there were no assists on the Oilers’ goal.

  187. FPB94 says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    True. As long as the Bruins don’t it’s fine.

  188. fifthcartel says:

    During intermission Spector said MacT is going to use one of his compliance buyouts but won’t tell us who (obviously), and then looked at Gene like it was obvious who. Am I missing something here?

  189. Bruce McCurdy says:

    2 games in a row Gagner gets the start & both times his man scores on the first GD shift with Sam standing by about 5 feet away. Tonight he even passed the guy the GD puck, this after making an unnecessary backtrack into his own zone and a careless clearing pass that led to the Minny counter attack in the first place. So much for that improved focus and intensity that MacT mentioned.

  190. cabbiesmacker says:

    FPB94:
    cabbiesmacker,

    True. As long as the Bruins don’t it’s fine.

    Touche.

  191. fuzzy muppet says:

    Boy Justin Schultz could use a day or two off. Awful turnover

  192. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Looks like J Shultz is ready for the season to be over

  193. rich says:

    fifthcartel,

    Would think Ben Eager, although Belanger might be a close 2nd.

  194. Lowetide says:

    fifthcartel:
    During intermission Spector said MacT is going to use one of his compliance buyouts but won’t tell us who (obviously), and then looked at Gene like it was obvious who. Am I missing something here?

    It kills me to say it, but it has to be Smyth.

  195. Scotty LaDouche says:

    With the fifth overall pick, the Edmonton Oilers select…..

  196. VanOil says:

    Not that this is news, but our 4th line sucks

  197. hunter1909 says:

    Nice goal.

  198. fuzzy muppet says:

    Umm maybe they shouldn’t play the 4th line anymore??

    Yuck. There’s your area of improvement

  199. rich says:

    Smyth is a heart & soul kinda guy, but he’s not a center at this point in his career…

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